:(

>>724451884
All they have to do was keep loli pawns, it was so easy...

korean dd2 clone mite b cool

What made it flop?

>>724452247
huh? what game

It was pretty fun for being so unfinished, shame Capcom chose to dump it.

>>724452169
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>>724452327
post gameplay or fuck off

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It's the best game I've ever been extremely disappointed by. It only hurts so bad because I like it so much.

>>724452224
there are mods for that

>>724452357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm6w2ufD6ME

>>724452449
I hate the fact that it has moments where it genuinely feels great but it lacks enough new things, I had a moment where I mounted one of those fuckers and he took off to his nest in the foggy area that I had never seen before, shit like that is good
then you got the colossus "fight" which was shit and shouldn't have been in the way it is, medusa was just alright at best

>>724452454
neat, thanks

>>724451884
I wish I didn't

>>724451884
was it good

What is the best way to have fun in DD1? Every time I've ever tried the game I've played through the shitty tutorial with that boring ass class and then I watch the cutscenes and I'm roaming around the village and after like an hour I'm bored as fuck. I wish I could just spawn into the game like 10 hours into a playthrough when you have more fun tools and go from there

>>724452770
You have zoomeritis, I'm sorry it's incurable.

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>>724451884
So close to a great game which makes it 6/10 disappointment hurt all the more. I do wonder if mods will save it?

>>724452806
The beginning is just slow man, idk what to tell you. And I feel like I see this complaint often enough that I'm not the only one that feels this way. I hope into a souls game and I'm unfettered and free, I go anywhere I want immediately and can rush some cool items. DD1 and I'm watching cutscene after cutscene and my basic vocation sucks ass compared to any advanced one and it just feels off. It's like playing an MMO with cutscenes, but you're stuck at level 1 for 5 hours.

>>724452770
Of the three starting vocations, Strider is probably the most active / fun. DD1 isn't really a "it gets good 40 hours in" game but you do have to get a vocation to like rank 6 or 7 out of 9 to really have an idea what it's full kit will offer. Skills that are boring at rank one get significantly better at rank 2, and even better still when you hit the DLC and can get the rank 3 skill rings.

That said I liked the game from the get go. But you really do need to give it more time to see where it goes and what it becomes.
>>724451884
Really wish they didn't get so many skills and gear options from the first game. The new stuff really isn't enough to make up for all the shit that is missing. It really feels like "one step forward, two steps back" the game.

>>724453028
Just load up roblox and call it a day, move along.

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The movement in this game is utter garbage, the momentum they added completely kills the snappy and responsive movement the original had. Then there's all the bullshit staggers, enemies bumping into you and you go into a long stumble animation and then there are all the dumb shockwaves locking you into perma stagger. The world feels empty and pointless, the best equipment can be bought from shops, none of the side quests are even remotely interesting, all npcs are either completely forgettable or downright annoying. Goblins and saurians spam everywhere, less monster variety than vanilla DD despite a ton of monsters being added in the failed MMO. Story is absolute ass, the whole throne subplot gets completely thrown out of the window, probably because the game got rushed again, and now you have to fight not-Grigori but this time instead of an epic chase through the mountain ruins it's just a shit cutscene with an absolute dogshit monologue compared to the first. The list goes on and on, this game convinced me to not buy anything from Crapcom ever again, nothing they do will change my mind, fuck this dogshit company and boy oh boy did I dodge a bullet with MH Wilds.

tldr, fuck Itsuno and fuck Crapcom.

>>724453475
The movement is soulful, you're probably the same type of person that complained about momentum in the witcher 3 aren't you.

>>724452770
Progress through the story, the start is a bit slow but once you meet the Duke the game gets much more interesting since the quests will send you across the map to interesting locations. Also you unlock the more interesting skills later as you level your vocation.

>>724452327
3,000k hours in Dragon's Dogma. Unironically the combat. Dragon's Dogma didn't have a story worth anything, there were barely any main quests, and most of the vocations were trash at end game- the same exact issues with DD2. However, the game was fucking fun. Combat was snappy, weighty, and felt like the perfect hybrid between Devil May Cry and Monster Hunter. Doing boss rushes to dragonforge your gear had meaning. You would want to do multiple NG+ runs to get all the dragon gear. Everfall was peak. Dark Arisen was even more peak. It was great.

Dragon's Dogma 2 has like none of that. Combat is a fucking chore no matter what level you are, no matter what vocation, no matter what gear and I'm tired of pretending it's not. I'm like level 150 with max dwarven dragonforged gear for my warrior. I have the highest effective knockdown resistance possible, which I did purely because I was so sick of getting fucking stunlocked by basic ass harpies and goblins. Even with that gear I STILL get fucking trapped into 30 second+ loops of dizziness and knockdowns. Everything feels slow and clunky. Every special move feels like you're doing it through a cloud of mayo around your character. Skills were made by and large shit and almost unusable for the most part. One of the biggest complaints with Warrior in Dragon's Dogma was that you were locked to only three moves and the optimal playstyle was to spam jumping attacks. Nothing has changed in DD2, except you're locked to four moves instead of three, and the jump slash is fucking worthless so you have to spam the normal attack charge. Good luck fighting ANYTHING that isn't a humanoid roughly your size, because your attacks will always either whiff or get interrupted.

The map is fucking atrocious. Wide as a continent, shallow as a puddle. There is absolutely nothing to do in any of the locations other than fight a reskin of saurians and harpies. No Everfall. No BBI. No hint of any DLC. Just a fucking waste.

>>724453987
>3,000k hours in Dragon's Dogma
Mental illness, entire post disregarded.

>>724452451
Actually no, there aren't. Which is really surprising. The game was that shit that modders didn't feel it was worth it.
Have fun with your ugly furshit pawn though.

>>724454201
There are, you just don't know where to look.

>>724453987
Continued. Going back to Dragon's Dogma, I can think of a ton of places that were basically optional but had a ton of soul. The Catacombs, Soulflayer Canyon, the Witchwood, the Watergod's Altar, the Shadow Fort, the Conqueror's Sanctuary. That's just in Gransys before you do like half the main quest.

Dragon's Dogma 2? I vaguely remember liking the Ancient Battlefield. The haunted forest near the Griffin's Nest was cool. That little cave section in Battahl near the end was neat. But that's about it. Everything else is lifeless and has such little substance. It's a fucking insult that the starting town is a shitty little encampment and that Gran Soren is just a shitty urban sprawl with no incentive to explore. That's what sucks, too. In Dragon's Dogma, I was finding shit on a playthrough a couple years back I didn't find in the 13 years I've played it. Dragon's Dogma 2, I think I found a secret dungeon in Battahl with a unique cloak and that's about it.

>>724454258
Cool. Thanks for the info bro. Game's still shit.

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Why did he do it, bros?

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>>724451884
I got a new graphics card so I'm thinking of replaying it soon, any cool mods out there I should install?

>>724456885
if that's an image from your game then your new gpu is broken

>>724452683
as someone who couldnt stand 30 mins of dragons dogma dark arisen, i thought this would be more fun and not so outdated as dd:da, i put 200 hours into dd2 and it was mid asf. never played a game more forgettable

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>>724457076
no that's from my old one, a 5700xt. I have a 9070xt now and Wilds runs pretty sweet in 4K so I'm assuming it'll be fine for DD2.

I've always liked the idea of Dragon's Dogma, but hated the execution. Every vocation besides maybe Fighter all just spam 1 ability. Strider is spamming brainsplitter, magick archer is spamming ninefold, mystic knight is spending 2 minutes prebuffing and then spamming fullmoon slash into their orb thing, ranger is spamming explosive arrows, assassin is spamming their bullshit auto parry, sorcerer is spamming tornado and ice spikes, etc. I want a Dragon's Dogma like game that still has the same pace of combat, but has more creative avenues for the combat like DMC. I know that's what they were going for, but the abilities I mentioned are so strong that it's 99% of the time your best option. Sure strider can be climbing and using scarlet kisses or shooting down dragons with a rusted bow, but most of the time you are going to be brainsplitting and staggering the giant creature until it's dead in the dirt.
It would be like if you were playing Monhun and every single attack you did was TCS or Helmsplitter or the Insect Glaive tornado thing they got in Wilds or whatever. But in Monhun you tend to use a wide variety of moves and weave in those strong moves when you get the chance to do so, you don't just run right up to the monster and immediately gigadick stagger them with your most powerful move.

>>724456971
I'm surprised there hasn't been some sort of online framework and private server setup for either 1 or 2 at this point. I mean souls games have the forever co-op mod. Playing a mage is so pointless in this game without co-op.

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>>724452224

>>724453987
>>724454262
There's so many other things that boggle the mind that they weren't added
>no multiple save files
>no new game at launch
>no hard mode or speed run mode or other challenge mode present is DD forna decade

And shit like the UI being fucking ugly as shit and the map being unreadable brown text on brown background

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>>724460345
>pussy MC stands and stares, gawking like a bitch
>CHAD PAWN hops and drops a sick ass arrow shot that does 0.0% damage just to piss it off

>>724452327
Worse combat
Worse story and characters
Worse level design
Music sucks
New classes suck, old classes got gimped
Endgame, wait for it, sucks too
Runs like ass on PC (like 90% of PC ports lately, lets be honest)

>>724451884
no loli pawns no buy. won't even pirate it because of that censorship

>no co-op
>stat allocation is some inane bullshit that requires you to grind multiple vocations just so you don't suck ass at end game
>amazing combat sandbox that gets thrown out the window in favor of spammy combat that disincentivizes creativity and strategy
>long ass spell casting times (rather they just be faster and do less damage) making any magic vocation feel like shit and relegated to pawns
>long ass boring escort quests that are somehow worse than MMO escort quests
>need arcane knowledge before going into the game or else you will just fail a quest randomly that ended up being the intro to a long ass quest chain that gives you one of the best pieces of gear in the game, oops can't do it now
>limited fast travel (either have better fast travel or don't have it at all)
>warrior gimped in both games for literally no reason when the secondary attacks could have been hilt based attacks (bashes, parries/ripostes, etc)
>stupid weight management system that is a plague in every single game that has it
>pawn ai not improved upon at all in the sequel
>shitty nonsensical story that basically takes a back seat in both games in favor of boring ass fetch and escort quests
I just don't understand how people can like either game. I get what they were going for, but they failed both times. It feels like it could be the best game ever created, but falls extremely flat and feels mediocre in every aspect. It is a sum of it's parts which is why I can understand it has a cult-like following, but it's clear why this series never gets any mainstream appeal because it's just too mid.
It gets outshined by both DMC and Monhun instead of being able to stand on it's own two feet beside them and it makes me sad because it has the skeleton of a game I really want to play, it just doesn't have any flesh.

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>>724451884
how can I not remember? the game is an absolute blast bro

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>>724461513
Nigga how old are you? Actually embarrassing to care about.

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>>724460738
I am a genius...OH NO

>>724460147
also, THE MOON
WE WERE CHEATED OUT OF THE MOON TWICE

DD2 - Beta version of MH wilds
MH wilds - Beta version of

>>724451884
let's use an engine that cannot handle open world for a pseudo open world game. wait. it ran like shit. surely second time will work.
What happened to Capcom.

>>724462935
Dragons dogma 3. I believe they will try again.

>>724463042
DD1 ran okay, until you started doing Mystic Knight things

I have to replay the game again and pay attention to the story because I have no idea what happened. Feels like they used ai to write everything

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>>724451884
I enjoyed large parts of it more than DD1. Even with the nerfed character heights, I still prefer DD2 CC. I also prefer the pawns compared to players, it's way more constructive to an open-world rpg though I'd be partial to four-man coop if the game was designed for it.

That said, it has the same crippling flaws that DD1 had and even worse in some cases.

Like gear. 99% you just buy, exploration has next to no rewards and there's no extensive dungeons or special encounters outside of the medusa and that death knight. DD1 had a similar problem but still had gear you could only find in dungeons.

Endgame had no great shakeup. It looks like it will be like the Everfall but the whole world- but what you get is like one zone with the same, terrible problem.

Encounter design is dogshit bad, even worse than DD1 in many areas. There's just too many saurians and gobbos and not enough mix. I ran into 1 (ONE) dullahan in my whole 80 hour playthrough. I ran into thousands of gobbos and saurians. There is no effort made by Capcom to make this feel memorable, and it drastically sucks the fun out of the game once you realize that the end game is going to be no smarter or complex than the first large pack of gobbos you fight. DD1 had this issue in some areas, but for DD2 it's fucking everywhere.

Story is also half finished. I'm certain it got cucked again by Capcom, but I'm still wondering what the hell happened. When the Dragon appeared, it felt like I was only getting through Act One.

Also vocations. Wayfarer is dogshit, the Trickster feels even worse, and the absence of a Warrior/Sorcerer equivalent for Archer and Thief is obvious. As well as mixed vocation combos. There's really no excuse for this when streamlining already removed spells and baked them into abilities. There should have been much more here, and pawns absolutely should not have been locked out of any profession. This is Dragon's Dogma 2, and it's a failure on Capcom's part.

>>724463262
Lots of people didn’t understand the first game being a fictional setting so the second game continuing that idea confuses people

>>724463042
>ran like shit
Not if you did as the devs told and turned dlss+framegen

>>724463398
Warfarer is the most fun class in the game and I would argue one of the games biggest flaws as far as vocations is there’s no real reason to play anything else

>>724451884
Capcom doesn't remember it either, so much for a major franchise that couldn't even break 4 million copies.
I'm sure it's even lower because Capcom stopped reporting on it.

>>724463521
It's limited in exactly what toolkit it can bring and lacks the customization and potential that's deserved for it. It's bad for the fantasy it's trying to give and it's trash as an endgame reward.

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The game, despite performance issues was so close yet so far to being great. The core was there, it just needed fleshing out, especially with more dungeons and enemy variety. The NG+ cycle was also shit in comparison to DD1. I would much prefer swapping the Unmoored World for an Everfall or BBI-type dungeon crawl. Unmoored would have worked if they removed the timer, and added tons of different enemies all over the map. Instead it's just Skeletons with a few drakes spread around.

>>724452224
It's fucking insane that something like 170 cm is the smallest you can make a character.

>>724463913
It makes sense once you realize how much of anal pain is to make different sizes work with different armors, weapons and especially enemy sizes. Monster hunter offers absolute zero body customization and even it has clipping everywhere.

>>724452770
fighter is boring unless you max it out. Mage is always boring.
All other classes are pretty fun

not gonna read this thread because it's going to be people calling it literally the worst fucking game of all time as if they've never played a bad video game before and everyone on /v/ is incapable of communicating beyond extreme exaggerations but I really liked dragon's dogma 2 it's too easy it's really flawed but the world unmoored is kino and job systems are kino and mods unironically fix the game wait for the enemy overhaul mod to come out

>>724463262
it's a shitty meta-retcon of the first game because Itsuno is a hack

>>724463681
>lose one skill slot and master skills in exchange for every core skill in the game you want and impossible broken move combos
>”it’s not strong enough there should be even less reason to play anything else”

>>724462935
Dragon Hunter

>>724464386
these threads are mostly the same handful of discordfaggots shitposting the game
I've noticed DD2 tends to only get threads made it about it at the same time that threads for certain other games this group shitposts are active

>>724465081
Ah I see you also see the Mon Hun Wilds salefaggotry lol
Why is this allowed?

>>724464386
>world is "kino"
What sort of retard are you, mobile tier railroad paths plus forced copy pasted encounter every 30 meters is "kino" (whatever the fuck that even means in your head)?

Blast posting is the saddest shit I've ever seen

>>724451884
as its own, it's okay
as DDDA sequel, man, it's so disappointing. feels like they're focusing on the wrong things and what makes DDDA special.
no there's no need for fancy graphics or the world to be that big or the city to be filled with people or whatever
also good lord the quests, I fucking hate them with every fiber of my being. So many are just making you ask why, why are you making it like that? who design quests like this? for what fucking purpose?
stop with retarded quest like sneaking or pretending to be pawn or whatever, you're not an rpg, you're an action adventure game, stop telling me to sneak into palace you mongoloid game. tell me to slay dragons or cyclops or whatever. make me explore another Bitterblack instead of making me capture an assassin that literally everyone in the palace know how he looks like but for some reason they need the arisen to catch this faggot. god damn.

>>724465853
the world unmoored is kino, the world is in an apocalypse state as a personal punishment for you by an egotistical god and you get to kill shit while trying to fix it
It's kino
The world of ruin is kino too
The world of ash in dd1 is also kino, more kino than either of the 2 above
I just like apocalyptic scenarios and state changes in fantasy games faggot get some taste of your own

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>>724452327
The last reported number as far as I know was 3.5 million. It definitely wasn't a flop.

What the fuck is going on with captcha

>>724466287
Adding on to this, the world unmoored would be a lot cooler with a proper everfall type dungeon. dd2 lacks that in general, but that's also why I don't mind the linear corridor design of the map and the constant battles, either. The whole map is your endgame dungeon, that's cool in it's own way but in practice leaves something to be desired. I miss the big open fields in dd1

>>724466427
Clear your cache, someone's been spamming pizza on the board and your captchas get worse. maybe that'll help?

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>>724453475
Truka Nuke

DD2 fag on suicide watch

>>724451884
It is good and my pawn is sexy

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>>724462782

dragon's dogma is better as an idea than in reality. Watching this video is better than playing either of the games. if only it lived up to a shred of this

https://youtu.be/NrCiV4LOYk4

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Fuck itsuno
Fuck capcom

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all i hear is whining and yet DD2 is better than 99.99% of every game that got out in the last 5 years

>>724452683
Yes. Only retards and discord trannies dislike DD2. If you liked DD1 you'll like DD2, period.
>>724452454
Noice. Finally someone's making something like DD.

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>>724469978
It's a great standalone game if DD1 didn't exist. But knowing what "could have been" ruins it. It's similar to MGSV. Also what I find hilarious is Capcom is still trying to create a "live service" game outside of Monster Hunter, and with bringing Dragon's Dogma Online to the West when they had the chance, or even adding coop and constant updates to DD2 they could have achieved that. Capcom has this amazing track-record or making a ton of great decisions, and then going back to bad ones and just keeps happening back and forth.

>>724470106
>If you liked DD1 you'll like DD2, period.
Wrong
>t.500h in DD and 90h in DD 2
And I'll never touch 2 ever again, period.

>>724470196
you live in the prison of your own mind

>>724470106
>If you liked DD1 you'll like DD2, period.
Nope. Why do you seethe about discord trannies every single thread? There is no way that discord server you keep posting is even active anymore because no one else except burned DD1 fans talk about the game anymore.

Im waiting for the dlc

there won't be any dlc

>>724452327
Shit performance minus the decades of raport Monhun had

>>724451884
I will never forget and it will always be dear to my heart.

>>724451884
I'm glad MHW flopped too.

>>724476483
Why yes, I'm sure selling over 10M+ classifies as a flop

>>724476714
It did, it's never gonna reach World's 12 million after a year because no one is buying Wilds anymore.
It sold a measly 157k copies from July to September.

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>DD2 has a great design philosophy for the open world
>But it has shitty characters, hardly any content, no real dungeons, all good gear is purchased, bad story, unmemorable music

>MHWilds butchered the design philosophy of MH and HR isn't finished

Why is capcom so incompetent. What goes on behind the scenes. Squanders MH. Squanders Ace Attorney. Squanders DD.

>>724476893
40 mil easy on Switch 2 in two weeks.

>>724477291
>What goes on behind the scene
Suits and shareholder quarterlies. If they took a step back and just made good games the money would arguably come with it but they never see it like that.

How is the performance these days, did they fix the fps drops in cities?

>>724466427
It sold 3 million in the first month then 500k in the following 6 months to a year after the first major discount then dropped of Capcom's sales rankings completely. Game had no legs

>>724453475
Yeah getting smacked by a goblin's club or a wolf's bite causes the same annoying animation that a fucking cyclops swing does.
Meanwhile those same less armored thin and spindly goblins that are fucking chest height at best to the shortest Arisen need a full Onslaught to stumble and get opened up. It's retarded.

The worst thing about the combat is the goblins have that unblockable hitscan lunge attack because they'd never be able to get a hit in otherwise after like level 20

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>>724451884
I do but I don't wanna

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Humiliation ritual for the deedee2kek

>>724452224
This. I didn't buy for this reason

>>724464787
>Only three slots for skills
>most skills in the game don't combo
>you have to give up the one skill to actually make the vocation 'mix'
>lose out on master skills
>stuck to weapons for skills
>only other benefit is wearing any armor
>No reason to use it when pure vocations get the job done better and some vocations are just far more useful for a pawn party comp
>Completely neglect that there's enough buttons to allow Wayfarer to be much more than a dogshit vocation and disappointment

>>724478757
for MonHun*

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>>724466628

I'm trying to produce ai porn of my pawn

>>724463519
kill yourself Randy

>>724452454
If I can make a loli/shota with that Giant Sword and board then I'm in. Not day one though

>>724453475
I will say it over and over and over until game devs start caring.
Having the player stagger from every single attack no matter how gentle kills action games. Make sensible reactions.

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>>724451884
I can't say I didn't have fun with this game, sending niggers flying across the room and smacking monsters down with pure strength as Warrior was beyond kino. But holy fuck for a sequel the lack of new monsters and enemies was beyond insulting, and what little new shit they DID bother to add was so rare and hidden so far away you had to go out of your way to find it like the medusa and dullahan, and the dullahan only spawning at night and having a time limit before dawn and immediately despawning was such a retarded decision. Not to mention all these archway doors hastily covered with a fucking dirt pile all over the map which indicates cut content from this 70 dollar game. Dragons Dogma's potential is forever squandered.

All they had to do was make dd1+ and not remove the lolis. How did they fuck it up so bad?

>>724480189
Shareholder meeting unironically

Chances for DD3?

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>the pre-release footage that showed the moon
>the caved in tunnels with fully modeled doors behind them that match the design of the giant door you open with the knife
>the fact the story just completely gives up at the end
>no final boss, just a cutscene

>>724482184
I would kill to get a full scope on the entire development and the drama of it.

>>724481998
Crapcom branded DD as a staple franchise now, would it unironically be better now without Shitsuno?

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>>724482402
A staple franchise getting little to no updates and no dlc, yet Kunitsu-Gami: Path of the Goddess got good updates and a dlc despite underperforming.

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Every weapon needed more elemental variants. Would have loved an Eden's Warden Vermundian Brand or a Caladbolg Stalwart Sword.
Also a big shame the Bastard Sword design wasn't reused since it was so pretty.

>>724452224
Fuck off and neck yourself, I'm serious. This game needed so much more.

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>>724482283
Most likely spent the majority of time crafting the world that when it came to the gameplay part they were told to rush it by the executives which is why everything is so half assed and everywhere is just filled with goblins, harpies and saurians instead of new monster encounters. Those arch doorways across the map covered with dirt were suppose to be the dwarf kingdom + the everfall dungeon so who knows exactly how much more map was cut leaving the world filled with nothing but pathetic one or two room cave dungeons.

>>724482642
My copium is that the devs are doing a No Man's Sky situation and are going to shadowdrop a massive update. Eventually.

>>724451884
I thought this game was purposely shit out early to basically beta test monster hunter wilds

I apologize. Because DD2 is actually the better game. What the fuck went wrong over at capcom

>>724451884
Bro, they should've added a moon at night. It's so dark it's hard to have a fun romp exploring at nighttime. And imagine if there's a lunar monster you can only encounter during a full moon, that would really add depth to the gameplay.

>>724451884
The last great disgrace

>>724482867
>entire map is just one giant hallway
remember how all roads lead to Gran Soren?
I remember

>>724482938
>massive update
Nah they're just gonna Dark Arisen it again selling a 40 dollar expansion adding snow harpies and the beholder.

>>724451884
Id play more of it if they made it. Thats the thing that actually upsets me. It feels like a game that rushed to the finish, and then they made no more content after that.

The gameplay and mechanics is tailor made for a dungeon crawler, and yet it lacks one where the first game had it. Shit, it would be so easy
>infinate tower to climb
>resets when you leave, you go in with only what you take
>semi randomization, with ever increasing difficulty
Give people a reason to share pawns, they may aswell have no even been a thing in DD2, the game was easy enough that you could just take whatever and it never mattered.

>>724482642
Kunitsu-Gami was so fucking good. GOTY for me next to Relink. Shame about DD2

>>724483249
I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF HARPIES

>>724483368
Definitely. I put in 80 hours and I'd be first in line if they dropped a 20 hour expansion or multiple expansion-tier packs. Missing challenge dungeons and more massive mobs that are reminiscent of the Hydra or Beholder are some clear holes the game has. Also just utilizing the cast more. Like fuck, there's one medusa in the whole game and it's a completely optional fight at the very end of the game? Shit almost implies they cut the content and someone was able to argue them into keeping it.

>>724451884
Fuck you. I don't wanna remember this shit.

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>>724452374
I offer obscure knowledge!

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I think about DD2 every single day. Biggest disappointment, yet most inspiring game I've played in forever.
If we were evaluate and rate games in comparison to their unrealised and fill potential, then this game is a 6/10 that eclipses a lot of 10/10 games.

>>724483785
wtf... I literally danced all over that stupid part of the fort trying to get the thing I knew was buried in it

>>724483785
The amount of retardedly specific and unique shit in the game is just fascinating for how hard the second half falls flat on its face. Their priorities were in all the wrong places

Tbh It all makes perfect sense if you just assume that Itsuno never touched Dark Arisen and doesn't even know what's in it.

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>>724483785
>open a sealed cave with a trebuchet
>only find leaping worms and a chest with a wakestone shard
Why was the loot such complete fucking dogshit? Why even bother opening chests if all you get is mediocre crap?

>>724483785
what's the reward? I always heard something in that place but never managed to figure it out even thought it might just be a bug lmao

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>>724483943
You'll be thrilled to know there are multiple trebuchets that can be utilized in that area.

>>724483949
Doesn't help that the game is very adamant in teaching you how to do things: playing a little cutscene, zooming in on a doorway, object whatever. While in other instances makes no effort to teach you what can and can't be done.

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I'm still working on my own DD game, here's a cave troll (work in progress)

>>724484385
You vill loot the fruit redorants and 10× explosive arrows and you vill be happy.

>>724484385
You can also destroy some rubble revealing a chest!
it has a shitty staff in it

>>724484127
Kinoshita was the director of DA, his first time apparently too. So that's a fair assumption to make. I (maybe mis)remember reading somewhere that Itsuno didn't like the things that DA or DDO did.

>>724484538
didn't the map tool you were using get shitcanned

>>724484689
what? no. Where do you get that from? Did something happen to Trenchbroom or func_godot?

>>724452454
Wtf this actually looks amazing

>>724484127
>>724484683
What is Kinoshita currently doing? He is still at Capcom right? He was not in the credits for Wilds. Did he get thrown to the Resident Evil team?

>>724484538
Was gonna suggest making him green and warty but he's in caves not swamps/forests. Warty and claws perhaps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZNbabKjKpA&list=RDSZNbabKjKpA&start_radio=1
It's over......

>>724485104
Capcom yeah, other than that no details it would seem.

>>724484538
Give him big giant tusks on the bottom of his mouth.

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>>724484538
Enhance the nose when you're doing a forest troll

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>>724484683
>I (maybe mis)remember reading somewhere that Itsuno didn't like the things that DA or DDO did
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. Hacksuno seems to go out of his way to make sure we have nothing good from DDO and Dark Arisen.

Maybe Warrior and Mystic Spearhand are happy accidents, since we also have smoke wizard in the same game (I honestly can't remember the name of this shitty class).

>>724451884
"HAVING A BLAST (tm)" - All I can remember about dragon's ligma 2 discourse. I liked how DD2 and Dragon's Age Veilgard and RE7 all have that "return to form" in the review praise, bought out.

>>724484683
>>724485104
>>724486649
I really hope we get a DD3 by Kinoshita just to see what a full singleplayer under him would be like. I'd even be okay with it reusing everything from DD2 so we can have more new content. I double it'll happen though

>>724486893
At least we can hope

>>724486649
Weedman is superb against mooks and fucking with their AI by making them jump off of cliffs is funny, but yeah, making the player take a backseat to AI controlled party members isn't the most engaging experience in a realtime single-player game.

I can't wait until the DDO Private server are content complete

>>724487495
It's not that good sadly.

>>724487601
It can't be worse than DD2

>>724485184
yeah I thought that at first but ended up making it a bit more like the cave troll in the lotr movies
>>724485880
ah shit, good one! I'll add that. Big tusk seems more fitting than shark teeth
>>724486051
hell yeah you can count on that
>>724487601
I thought it was pretty fun, loved exploring and fighting stuff although it got a bit boring by S2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yEUS1VDwzo

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>>724486893
Tbh, I really don't want capcom to touch this franchise ever again. Even with Kinoshita, we don't know how many good additions in DA and DDO were his. You must remind yourself that good games are always made by a talented group of developers.

Good director can't carry a game, but good developers can. Just look at dd2 for example. Shitty sequel with shitty ideas, but somewhat interesting physics-based combat, and you have a whole army of shill defense for this failure from the big bad discord raiders. DD2 doesn't deserve them lmao.

>>724487714
Ah the Rings version, makes sense. Because of D&D, when I hear/read troll I think of theirs. The update in the new MM has some nice art.

>>724487714
Also consider giving him a giant fat guy gut and moobs implying he just vacuums anything that wanders into his cave after being bludgeoned and gored to death with his tusks.

>>724452224
There were far more real problems than that. I'd happily trade away loli pawns and slut armor if it meant fixing any of the serious mechanical, design or content issues.

Huh, a thread without the autist, did Capcom stop paying him or what?

>>724470106
Are you the dumb fag who pretends to speak for all DDfags despite having like 90 hours in DD1?

>>724451884
I remember the retarded mods stickying it then one of them talking to himself in a thread on /vrpg/ that was up for six months and didn't hit bump limit.

>>724488034
remember when Itsuno went to study katanas? lmao.

>>724453987
>Dragon's Dogma 2 has like none of that. Combat is a fucking chore no matter what level you are, no matter what vocation, no matter what gear
Nah I'm calling bullshit on that. DD2 combat is 50/50 largely depending on what vocation you're playing because some are a straight downgrade compared to what they could do in DD1, like sorc, while others are a straight upgrade, like fighter.

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>>724452449
Yeah for all it's flaws i still had fun playing it, it captures that raw going for old school D&D adventure with idiots vibe, but it could have been so much more, so much better and that's a fucking waste

>>724451884
I liked it.

>>724484385
What's weird to me is that the game has a lot of cool loot...... with vendors. I remember some end game vendor selling all these armors and weapons and I was just thinking "why the fuck didn't they just litter this all over the world? It would have been so cool to find this armor set/weapon in one of the dozens of dungeons I've cleared, wtf"

>>724487490
>making the player take a backseat to AI controlled party members

It was such a good concept, having an Arisen that is less of a fantasy hero and more of a military general of pawns but the class just wasn't fun for anything other than fucking around with the AI.
Tbh there' so much about the game that feels like Itsuno just took a bunch of designer and spitballed dumb ideas while drunk on sake without filtering anything.

>>724487651
>It can't be worse than DD2

It has some neat ideas for sure but overall it's not that better.

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Honestly I expected a lower number. Dark Arisen only has 350, for example.

>travel to Bataal
>find a cave with two dead guards and a giant wolf
>kill the wolf, waste two hearts to revive the guards
>they don't have unique dialogue
>they are not tied to a quest
>they don't even say thank you
this game is shit
ultra mega giga shit

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I actually don't understand all the hate this game gets. The first one was also a bit of a rough gem. For what it's worth it, I made it to the end of this game with like 200 hours played. I hardly ever finish games, so that is saying a lot for me.

If Capcom let you have more than 1 character slot I'd love to play it again kek. I suppose I could just make a new profile but eh.

>>724490645
I think the game needed at least one more year in the oven. They probably wanted to put all that loot in the world but that would take time so instead they just slapped it all in vendors. Same with those dungeons that have doors blocked by rubble, another sing of the game being incomplete. Game is half-baked even more so than the fist one, which is as ironic as it is sad.

>>724490060
DD2 Fighter is not a fucking upgrade over 1 in what world are you living in? Sheltered Assault, Dragon's Maw, Diablo 2 Tier shield bashing, hell the fucking alternate light combo had amazing knockdown. DD1 Fighter is a fucking monster.

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See that mountain? You can't climb it.

>>724491570
*levitates*
nothing personnel,,,,,,

>>724491440
Didn't the mess with perfect blocking too?

>>724491570
I remember getting on top of the mountains using that mage spell that lets you levitate for a bit. Was actually pretty exciting. I love exploring areas you aren't technically supposed to be in.

>>724491219
The hate is justified because a sequel is suppose to have more new and improvements over the predecessor, the fact this game has LESS monsters than the previous game is a complete insult, the story being absolute fucking slop is another insult.

>>724487490
The entire smoke wizard gimmick should be give ln to other classes as skills instead. Maybe tied it to gears and rings.

>Drum shield for Fighter: Shield summon will buff allies atk or defense
>Warrior totem ring: Roar skill will increase allies speed
>Thief safety ring: Blade of the Pyre deal less self dmg and also ignite self and near by allies weapons

Seriously, we need more support skills or sp classes. Or at the very least, have more way to enchant weapons. They had it right in DDO ffs.

>>724491625
DD1 Fighter's block would auto turn you to the monster, in 2 you have to manually make that input which isn't too difficult to get used to. It's satisfying enough to pull off but I have had moments where I would perfect block one enemy's swing and eat the damage of another's - this wouldn't happen very often in 1 because the animation of the perfect block was quick and you could pretty much instantly act and react after it.

>>724470106
I distinctly remember discord tranny brigade shitting on DD1 just to prop DD2 up

>>724453028
Nah, he's right. The game is great from the start and you have no attention span or sense of adventure.

>>724486649
It's insane how right they got the Warrior to the point that I feel a phantom pain when I go back to play warrior in DA1. You can be a complete fucking monster in DA2 as a warrior and it's easily some of the best heavy weapon's gameplay I've ever played.

>>724453028
You can do BBI the second you make your own pawn.

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>>724451884
does the game have sexy characters ?

>>724492248
I've started to go back to Fighter because I like the faster speed. But DD2 really did justice for Warrior. I miss the stupid dashing charge attack, but everything else feels so much more satisfying now. Tidal Fury is so unbelievably good.

>>724492332
your pawn can be the sexiest woman alive. I often jerk off to mine.

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>>724492332
You make your own sexy characters!

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>>724490060
DD2 Fighter is not even a side grade to DD1. You're slower, can't cancel the recovery animation, delay between blocks and 4 skills.

If you even play Fighter in 2, you will know that they have to "fix" Fighter by speeding up a lot of the skill animations to be less clunky gameplay-wise. But making them look weirdly fast instead.

DDO Fighter > DD1 Fighter >>>>>>>>>> dd2 fighter

At least Fighter have a cool helmet in 2

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No Mercedes, no buy

>>724451884
meet potential game

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>>724453987
>bitching about Godmode class
warrior has crazy risk/reward being so slow and you gotta learn how to fight, for one actually use that shoulder push in combat to stagger enemies. Then depending on your kit just pick the coolest looking swing/stab attacks you can find + Tidal Wrath for the ability to parry attacks.

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>>724451884
Yes I do.

>>724483785
what the fuck

>>724493129
>high risk
Nigga you have poise, you can eat multiple attacks and one heavenward sunder is enough to send virtually everything flying.

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>>724492332
Ulrika looks super hot in cutscenes but kinda retarded during gameplay

>>724493525
>just poise through the damage
you can shoulder bash 90% of enemies into a staggered state, allowing you to heavenward sunder at your convenience. The risk is that your pawns need to do their fucking jobs while you're trying to manage everything solo

>>724493629
Her voice pisses me off so much.

>>724453987
what this guy said and no multiple saves along with nerfing armor selection, while the developers said word for word, that you have MORE options for wearing outfits, when in reality you have less
the entire game is a joke, the world is too big and empty, fighting the same enemies you fought in DD1 with 0 improvement done to them, pawns are still just as retarded as DD1, where they will walk into the brine and stand in shoulder deep water and FUCKING DIE WITHOUT DOING A SINGLE THING TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM IT

actual retarded developers who have 0 clue what they were doing

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>>724492332
I think so, yeah.

>>724494904
and I want her to piss on me.

>>724494904
why?

>>724495492
Because it's a forced little-girl voice. Insincere. Deceptive.
Not at all befitting the character.

i bought 2 AAA games that cost $70 on day one in the past recent years
one was DD2 and other was monhun wild
both play and ran like dogshit
im fucking done with capcom this decade
they will probably got it together again by 2029

>>724451884
i played the dev build or whatever it was, just waiting for the actual game now
It was fun, i liked it. inferior to DD1 in many regards, but i've played DD1 to death

DD2 removed vocations that allowed to equip bows and graggers/swords like strider and assassin, that alone makes DD2 shit and inferior to DD1
>b-b-b-but muh balance
dgaf, fun is all that matters

>>724495087
>>724491219
There was a huge wave of hate before/during release because of microtransactions. Some narrative took off and it was the most hated thing in the world for a solid minute. You'd get flamed in youtube comments for even mentioning the game by some brigade of zoomers who had never even heard of the first game deciding they were on some holy crusade to rid gaming of mtx. I don't know why they picked DD2 out of all the capcom games, or any other game that has a season's pass. I think it was babby's first awakening to publishers and the flagship hatebearer was chosen to be DD2.
It was really bizarre the level of hate it got from people who had 0 interest in the genre, the original game or any game that's not flavor of the month.

I don't think it's a perfect game and I prefer the first one. People shitting on it because it didn't live up to/surpass the first are justified in holding their opinions. The crowd that watches gaming youtubers just to parrot what they have to say about a game they would never play in the first place was full of shit though. I guess being mad at the performance issues was fair.

Yeah DD2 got bandwaggoned by hate for practices Capcom had done for over a decade.

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>>724492626
DD2 Fighter is better purely because he can actually use his maces unlike the first game. His contextual finishers are also more enjoyable than ever pressing the Y/▲ was in DD1.

It does suck that half his moves are counters and I'm not a fan of any of the Scroll techniques, but Fighter's puts him a uniquely bad position.

>>724497470
Very true. Unfortunately DD2 had a mixture of other issues going against it that magnified the attention to the micro transactions. DD2 would've gotten away them had the game not have performance issues or if people were more aware of how trivial their effects actually were. That and the game had no memey brainrot. No berried delight to distract the normies

>>724452586
Colossus fight WOULD have been kino as fuck if the postgame was actually meaty, i thought it was going to be some setpiece for the halfway point

>>724499168
alas we suffer

>>724492626
There's only a single class I would say is an outright improvement in terms of power relative to their games and that's thief. What the fuck was Itsuno thinking taking a sledgehammer to pretty every class, but refocusing Strider to be in order to cut out the fat it didn't make use of (not to say bows were bad in DD1 just that climbing/skullsplitter is king) but also giving it shit like actual straight up invincibility? Oh but Arc of Deliverance? We've got to make drain all your stamina. It would be to abusable otherwise.

>>724498995
You have a shield in DD1 for blunt damage, maces were not needed at all outside of class fantasy aesthetics. Two Bloody Knuckles and the Cymbal skill made you a Smiter pally straight out of Diablo 2.

>>724466276
No, fuck you. It's not a combat simulator.

>>724499740
Its also not supposed to be slop quest simulator with 4 enemy types but here we are

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>>724497360
People that actually played it seemed to like it. Weird bandwagoning mob that wanted to seethe about something latched onto DD2.

Here is what I will say though. Capcom should not have done day 1 dlc bullshit. That is a fact. Even though the items you get are useless and hardly impact gameplay at all, they should not have done it. It's such a petty useless thing, and Capcom could have avoided all of it by just not doing it. They are a little behind the times for not understanding how people will react to that stuff. I feel like 90% of the hate comes from that. Gamers who never even heard of Dragon Dogma and just hate day 1 dlc garbage foamed at the mouth over DD2 because it, so..... really Capcom did it to themselves.

>>724477061
>DD2 has a great design philosophy for the open world
On what fucking planet? It's a world made of corridors and spammy samey encounters with a few common enemies. Only like 1/4 of the map is actually good.

>>724482938
Anon, the devs left Capcom. And no, the DDO team isn't good. I don't want MMO or gacha mechanics.

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>>724500082
I kind of enjoyed the weird maze like structure of the open world. But I know people in general are mixed about it. I liked it because it was kind of new and interesting. There are still some classically "open" areas too.

>>724499708
>maces were not needed at all outside of class fantasy aesthetics
Okay, but that is one of the most important things in Dragon's Dogma. I'm pretty miffed there's no cleric or Hoplite in both games. There should be more weapons in general.
The real dropped ball was getting rid of Ranger and the Longbows, which there was no real reason to do. I'm fine with garbage like Assassin being reallocated into all the other jobs, but that class had no unique weapons.

>>724497360
It was weird as fuck considering they weren't selling anything except basic consumables and things you can get by playing the game for 10 minutes. Its almost like the seethe was coming from people who didn't play the game.

>>724499864
>slop
I knew you were a retard when you insisted the RPG should be less of an RPG and more of a plain action game, but thanks for reconfirming.

>>724500768
No disagreements there man.

>>724500352
It wasn't new and interesting, it was dumb and tedious. DD did that idea for certain areas and did it better. 2 just feels like they were trying to "gameify" the map too hard.

>>724500791
>Its almost like the seethe was coming from people who didn't play the game

Let's not pretend this isn't anyone but Capcom's fault tho. They are right to seethe, and they are right not to buy the game on that basis. If what happened to DD2 happened to more games that pull micro transaction shit, they industry might be better

Tried to give it another go in the summer. Shit made my fucking PC greenscreen. I didn't even know that was possible. Haven't played since.

>>724453475
The camera, overanimated movement and the ridiculous amount of staggering actually made me motion sick, and that's never happened to me with a game before

>>724500791
You are correct.

What's the most fun classes and class route?

>>724501631
everything except Trickster is fun. Trickster should have been a pawn vocation. Its not main character material.

>>724501631
The most fun class is Fighter and Warrior followed by Thief, because they have actual damage avoiding techniques. Other classes are quite frustrating because you lead the party and are first in battle, and therefore first to be targeted. This is really frustrating for mages and archers who have no block or dodge.

>>724452224
>first game
My first pawn was based off my LOTRO Hobbit Bard
>second game
Can't do it because can't make short pawns for whatever idiotic reason.
Sequels should ADD shit not remove them. Like a Bethesda game does, needlessly remove shit.

>>724502289
You are right but I cope by making a hunched over goblin thief pawn with cockney accent.

>>724492004
Some guy went on a rant about it, only thing I remember is that it's weaker. Amount of pbs to knock a creature down.

>>724502119
Archer has that slide kick thing, but it's a real piss poor equivalent of the other vocations' dodge/block/counter skills. That one vocation mod does give it invincibility so you can use it more reliably, but it still sucks asscheeks. The archer with light armor somehow feels less agile than the heavy-duty warrior.

>>724502119
Can't you fix that with the augment that increases threat or whatever? Does it even work?

>Infinitecringe is back
based

>>724503731
literal who?

>>724503880
Some 4chan adjacent foid who made some funny-ish content for Dragon's Dogma. She quit last year because the launch of DD2 was so bad it killed her channel.

>>724501631
I prefer Sorcerer but I also leveled sorcerer almost exclusively in DDDA

>>724452224
skill issue

>>724500082
70% of the map is inaccessible ON TOP of it being made of corridors. DD2 has one of the worst open world map designs in a videogame.

>>724452224
not even lolis could save that dumpster fire

>>724500352
I liked it too. Kinda felt like a dungeon at times, similar to SMT V in that regard.

>>724504789
>similar to SMT V in that regard.
SMTV, especially Ueno, is infinitely better designed than DD2's shit overworld.

Why are there no DD-adjacent games?

>>724505383
Because that takes actual effort and talent. Other devs might be able to make a thoughtful world with good quests, but mechanically DD is beyond what most devs will ever be able to do.

>>724452770
>What is the best way to have fun in DD1?
Get to Gran Soren (level 10ish). The game becomes a 10/10 from then onwards. Combat seems simplistic at first. But that's intentional. You unlock all of your skills, abilities, class features (like perfect block, dodge, double jump), by leveling up your vocations to simulate your character going from a zero to hero badass.
Oh, and male sure you do the Golden Idol quest (Escort Symone). It's tedious bullshit, but trust me, it's worth it. It unlocks a lot of top tier weapons if you do it and turn the idol into the blacksmith. I also recommend you help Fornival prove his innocence, when his trail comes up in the main quest, because he's a top tier merchant, especially in the endgame when you'll be using his stat boosting items

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>>724451884
Still mad we got fuck all related unarmed or marital art items

>>724452224
>3,000k hours
>3,000k
>3,000,000 hours
>342 years playing dragons dogma
Are you a vampire with autism?

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>>724452454
I am so sick of substanceless action games bros. I was sick of them when China was just beta testing them like with Bloody Spell. Before any of them even released I already felt the fatigue back then.

It's not like I hate killing stuff but I want a story or some long progression curve that makes them interesting beyond button mashing and dodging attacks. DMC was good because 3's amazing story and presentation. Souls is good because of all the RPG mechanics and PVP. Action MMOs(imo only Tera) were good because it had all the heft of an MMO with tons of people playing. But these? They're all the same with no story and shallow progression stuff, we don't need 30 of them especially when they all look the same running on Unreal or whatever.

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>>724504665
That's your opinion and it's wrong. It was fun to explore, you always felt like you were down IN the world and not trekking across a featureless flat battle arena to get to the next obvious hallway loading area to get to the next flat featureless battle area. My favorite part of the world design is that they clearly cared about the vistas, they put effort into what you were able to see from where you were on the map so that it was always interesting and at times awe inspiring.

Frankly I'm happy they weren't bound by the constraints of realism and made an actual video game map that looks beautiful and not some flat shit with twig trees.

>>724507716
I wish it had more open pine forests

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>>724507716
I also want to point out that whatever magic they used for the very far distant terrain LoD is greatly appreciated and I have no idea how they fucked it up so much in MH6. When you're looking out at the distant mountains they look like actual mountains, not clumps of plastic or unnaturally stacked rocks.

>>724507842
I wish the area right outside the elf town was larger, I have a soft spot for giant trees. Big fan of how the branches hung across the dug out pathways and the whole area was dark and mossy.

>>724451884
>Hyped as the game that would make videogames a solved hobby
>Ends being a wet fart

One of the most satisfying gaming-related events of the decade.

>>724507716
the world not fun to explore because there's nothing to find
>trekking across a featureless flat battle arena to get to the next obvious hallway loading area
that's exactly what DD2 map is

What was the point of that house in Bakhbattal. The big one. It's way out, no letters are ever delivered there, it's wholly impractical.

>>724454258
No there are not. The closest thing is to do some fuckery with the extended editor and the height mod but that doesn't fix the adult voice and the textured breasts on armors, and the character will still revert to normal height unless you constantly open and close the editor.

>>724508320
satisfying?

>>724508323
That's unequivocally false and partially contradicts your initial complaint which leads me to believe you are in fact retarded and just want to complain for the sake of complaining.

>>724508486
Zoomer mentality, they are happy when games are bad because they are addicted to drama. They don't intend to play video games for their own enjoyment so this is how they find fun from the gaming world.

>>724470106
shilled it again award
killed another franchise award

>>724508838
Honestly some white boy should make a video essay on what went wrong with DD2 and not just the game, the shilling really is fucking dreadfully bad

>>724508698
>They don't intend to play video games for their own enjoyment
You just described the entire DD “fanbase” which consists of meme spouting morons who want some sort of gamer cred for repeating lines found in the first two hours of the game. To people who actually fucking play video games including DD it was always a mediocre game.

So to see the poser fanbase exposed, yeah it was satisfying.

>>724504841
Nah, fuck all that. Theyre both mid as fuck, bring back real dungeons for the real gamers

>>724509001
>nooooo you can't just discuss a game like reasonable adults, you have to HATE it unconditionally, HATE EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME ITS BAD GRRR

It must be tiring living like this.

I would like to have sex with my pawn

>>724453517
retard
and yes, people like us modded the game to play better

>>724509131
No one said this, you are a rancid human being getting upset at imagined scenarios

>>724508486
Yes, satisfying. I always enjoy when something /v/ loves gets stomped to death while the games I like (and the board keeps telling me they're "slop") keep getting made.

>>724508698
I'm neither a zoomer or addicted to drama. I just enjoy a good trainwreck + the things I like surviving.

>>724509131
dismissing any negative discussion as orchestrated hate is exactly why a beloved franchise is now a shit stain mocked by everyone

>>724509115
I've always seen DD1 as a scale model of a good game, the ideas and concepts are fun but the game is maybe 25% of what it should be. People pretend like the story wasn't a minute long, the world wasn't tiny, or that the "dungeons" were either one or two open square rooms. It's possible that the overly clingy fanbase simply hates the idea that DD2 took (or tried to) the name beyond that of a cult following and put it in the light for all to see so they have to now pretend to hate it because it's no longer their secret little game.

who knows fucking strange people man

>>724509426
So you admit most of the vocations play better in DD2?

>>724509405
Sounds like cope for drama addiction to me.

>>724509405
>I'm not what you said I am
>In fact I'm actually what you said I am

>>724509442
Yeah exactly.

>>724508482
There are, I have done 2 playthroughs with 150cm + flat, there is also a 140cm version. No reverts or other shenanigans. Maybe there are some armors that have issue, but I haven't noticed that.
You have a point with the voice though, but thats not a problem for me since I play as a loli and my pawn is adult.
You will not find the mod on normalfag sites.

I played the original Dragon's Dogma (the base game; never touched the DLC) and didn't like it.
It was a Japan-made WRPG and I don't like WRPGs (same reason I never bothered with that genre beyond the first Witcher game and the 360 era Fallouts).
People tell me that the DLC is what makes the game good; I doubt it given the base game, and the idea of a game requiring a DLC to become good (basically making the time with the base game a waste) an abhorrent idea.

>>724509858
The dlc is just a pretty good optional dungeon it barely changes the actual game

>>724509787
This is also another issue with the supposed DD2 hate bandwagon, a lot of people shit on the game and argue in bad faith because they are porn addicts and are upset about the minimum height limit on characters.

>>724509649
Not at all. I came to realize that I play vastly more videogames than 99% of /v/ and it has been years since the last time I played a game and didn't enjoy it.
Which is why Dragon's Dogma 2 failing is such a big victory for me, not just from a morbid entertainment standpoint: if a series loved by the people who hate the games I like becomes the dominant videogame industry power, I would lose all the games I like and would end with nothing to play.

>>724509117
I sure hope you're not pretending shitty block/grid maze dungeons are better than actual 3D exploration and movement in SMTV.

>>724509787
>You will not find the mod on normalfag sites.
The link the site, because ATF has nothing

>>724510042
We don't care, tab back into Roblox lil bro.

>>724510108
If you didn't care you wouldn't reply to me.
You probably do similar posts against other games that I happen to enjoy (when they're (un)lucky enough to get threads here) and we're supposed to care.

>>724510220
>>724510108

This thread is missing those hilarious vocation speculation charts /v/ made.
Post the one with like 30+ vocations and their respective trees.

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I wish I was better at taking screenshots, seen some pretty good ones on here when people were playing the game.

>>724510101
Look harder Its on page 4

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>>724510290
the people who made those are the ones who shit on the game the hardest, out of embarrassment for the most part

>>724510453
>Going as far as actually designing icons
Teenage-girl-writing-a-fanfic-where-Sasuke-fucks-Naruto-in-the-ass tier

>>724495595
you're a fucking idiot

>>724510453
The funniest thing they were making these even after it became clear to any not retarded human being the game only has 10

Surprised that people looked at DMC5 and didn't immediately write off DD2.
That game was so mediocre it redeemed 2 and DmC, and still people believed Itsuno would deliver with DD2.

And that's ignoring modern Capcom as a whole, which makes me even more surprised that people want Megaman or Dino Crisis to be revived.

>>724510740
>Even Soulsborne's amount of "classes" never go past 15, and they're just glorified stats and gear prebuilds
>Pure action games have 3 playable characters at most
>Anons expected Dogma 2 to have the equivalent of having 30 different player characters
Insanity.

>>724507716
You have shit taste and your opinions on how to make something a video game level are genuinely terrible. You fundamentally don't understand exploration.

>>724510042
>if a series loved by the people who hate the games I like
What dogshit games do you like?

>>724499740
>do a quest
>help the nigger
>not help the nigger
>same result in the end
WOW! such RPG choices! SOOOO much freedom! I kneel Itsuno the master of RPG please fuck my sister!

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>>724511304
Exploration is largely centered on the players sense of imagination, a map or video game world needs to fuel that imagination and draw the player into doing things of their own volition rather than telling them where to go with yellow paint. In many cases there need not be a reward for traveling, investigating, or exploring as the true reward is what you feel inside yourself

You are a fucking moron

>>724501631
The most fun one is the one that lets you mix and match all the weapons and skills of the game, I forgot what it's called

>>724511565
>do griffin quest
>can kill the griffin right away
>can set a trap later
>if it's still not dead, you take an expedition up to fight it
>you can also steal a tome from another quest line and give it to an NPC who will come help you
>or you can forge a fake one and he'll try to help you but will fail
The end goal is to kill the griffin, but it can play out several ways. That's good quest design.

>>724511648
>In many cases there need not be a reward for traveling, investigating, or exploring as the true reward is what you feel inside yourself
Yes, but that only works when the act of exploration is in and of itself fun. The problem is that you're a fucking idiot that thinks making the world more "gamey" is inherently a good thing, when in reality they've effectively built a series of corridors separated by invisible walls. That's bad game design. It actively hampers imagination because you set out to go somewhere, but instead of a route that makes sense, you have to follow a tiny little hallway filled with a million goblins and saurians to get there. I know you're really dumb and you want to strawman, but I'm not the guy saying you need rewards when you explore. There are multiple people (rightfully) calling you an idiot. Now try not to strawman again and instead explain how DD2's world design lends itself to the wonder of exploration.

>>724510624
Shut up simp.

>>724511752
Isn't that a DD1 quest?
Also that was a monster hunting/combat related quest, which is what I wanted more from the game instead of another retarded "capture assassin cause everyone in the palace is blind for some reason" or that fucking stupid phantom carriage quest.

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>>724511912
I'm not sure you played DD2 if you think it's full of invisible walls. I'm also not sure that you realize there are always multiple paths to take even when the path is narrow.

>There are multiple people (rightfully)
You making multiple posts crying that the map isn't one big flat open field does not equate to multiple people, nor does it mean you have a good point.

>>724453987
This is copypasted from a youtube comment.

I adore the hot spring mechanic. Whoever implemented that deserves a bonus.

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>>724512052
>Isn't that a DD1 quest?
Yes. I'm using DD1 as an example of good quest design. 2 needed more of that, it didn't need to abandon it altogether and just be a combat game.

>Also that was a monster hunting/combat related quest,
Look at the quest in DD2 with the orb in the border town. That's a non-combat quest with multiple options and is one of the few good quests in the game.

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>>724512153
>I'm not sure you played DD2 if you think it's full of invisible walls.
I am sure that you're a retard who can't speak English that isn't worth arguing with if you think I said it's literally full of invisible walls when I wrote
>effectively built a series of corridors separated by invisible walls.
Think long and hard about what the word effectively means, apologize for resorting to another strawman to cover up your lack of a point, and then we can talk about the game.

>You making multiple posts crying that the map
Never mind. You actually think multiple posts saying different things are all samefagging because you're a demented shitposting faggot. You'll get no more replies from me.

>>724512385
>Look at the quest in DD2 with the orb in the border town.
Alright, fair enough, that's a good one. I would be fine if the non combat quests are more like that, simple in nature (as in it's clear what you're supposed to do) but can be more complicated, depending on the player's intuition.
Wish more quest were like that instead of the fucking beggar quest or the crazy nun quest in Vermund.

>>724512442
I am impressed

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>>724512498
I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the meaning of exploration, be it in a game or real life. If you know you know.

>>724512654
I feel like that's just a product of the game being so unfinished, you see how much thought and care they put into SOME quests while others were the most lazy dogshit excuse for a quest you can imagine. Compare this whole situation >>724510896 with half the vocations being handed to you without a quest whatsoever.

>>724510362
pretty good, anon. most people fuck with the saturation and filter effects, which is fine. but honest pics are sovlfvl

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>>724512823
oh that isn't mine, just a random one I saved here many months ago. I want to say whoever made this one also had other great vista shots but I only have this saved.

>>724512654
>I would be fine if the non combat quests are more like that, simple in nature (as in it's clear what you're supposed to do) but can be more complicated, depending on the player's intuition.
That's exactly what I'm saying. I want more of that and not throwing it all away to just be a combat simulator. I want a game with good quests and exploration like a WRPG and good combat like Japanese game. The orphanage area in Vernworth had a few good quests as well, but those got marred down by having to run in circles around northeastern Vermund (which had one of the worst cases of hallway design in the game) and the janky broken stealth afterwards. Arguably the best quest in the capital was rescuing the husband from the Dullahan, thought that did end up being a combat quest. That character should have been your point of contact, not Brandt.

>>724510370
That doesn't work for pawns, which was my point

>>724484385
That was a huge problem with the game. You should have been finding little trinkets in caves with unique buffs or some shit that stayed relevant the entire time you played. Instead you explored a cave and found some piece of shit longsword that you out leveled twelve hours ago.

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Alright fuckers I am redownloading Dragon's Dogma 2.

Do they allow you to make a brand new character yet or do I have to just hop into New Game+ with my character that already has everything?

Fucking kek, I enjoy this game but wtf at some of the retarded decisions.

I really liked that travelling from point A to point B actually took an ingame day or two. I just wish there was more going on with the variety of scenery and enemies. as well as pawns actually doing anything during camping


I hate the completely downgraded armor system.


armor upgrading was cool though. if you forget that dwarven is the best one. I genuinely cannot fathom why there wasn't combo bonuses. imagine elven + dwarven gives you a special stat boost or something. its such an obvious idea

I booted up DD2 again and I legitimately forgot how shitty the main theme/menu music was. Holy shit…..

>>724513347
>Do they allow you to make a brand new character yet
That update was one of the first, back at the end of March, 2024.