>looks like vomit>goofy ahh enemy designs>runs like shit despite being a 9 year old game>unskippable cutscenes, lame storytelling>music sounds like it was performed by a high school band>worst sci-fi aesthetics i've seen>CoD-style "complete objectives" bullshit>gay ubisoft HUD>map layour more confusing than Quake 2(at least Q2 gave you a sense of adventure)>dogshit monster AI>have to find and kill every single enemy in the map before proceeding>forces you to QTE to get ammo>nonexistant arena designThis garbage is nothing like doom, quake, or any other boomer shooters for that matter-John Carmack would roll in his grave if he saw it. why did this slop cause millenials to söyface en masse?
but doom 2 and 1 are boring af too. you just run in circles or hold W through hallways. just play eternal or a quake clone
>>724455376Its unbalanced, but fun. Now go fuck yourself OP. Fuck yourself hard.
>>724455376its better than shiternal and 3 thougheverbeit'st'd've'ed
>>724455641You got f-f-filtered!
>>724455575Seconded>>724455514You have never touched either of these games in your life.What an awful, nigger-tier thread. All fields
>>724455376>runs like shit despite being a 9 year old gameno way, what absolute toaster do you have?
>>724455756i played eternal and ultrakill and they are superior to slop doom 1 & 2, games that are obsolete and forgotten by the next generation.
>>724455835Are you indian? You sound indian.
>>724455376I like asses though.
>>724456121i am. we know shit very well and doom 2 is a doodoo game
>>724455514The BEAVTY of 2D FPS lies in its simplicity. The gameplay is so intuitive an 8 year old could pick it up and instantly learn how to play. The graphics are primitive but beautiful. Maps are carefully crafted and monsters are methodically placed to guide players through and adventure. You actually feel like a stranded marine exploring an eldritch castle of unknown evil, or a ninja on a quest to destroy a japanese mega-corporation that wields immense power.Doom(the remake) is nothing like this.Millenials demand movie-esque stories that do not fir the medium of video games, they demand games to handhold, they do not know how to learn anything without a tutorial explaining every detail.They would not understand.
>>724456664quake has these same exploratory elements but with an extra camera axis and fun movement. besides exploration doom 1 and 2 are boring
>>724456941I agree, doom is on the lower end of the spectrum, because it was the first FPS ever made(inb4 wolfenstein 3D which is borderline unplayable), so devs hadn't figured out how to make levels engaging and aren't on the same level of Build Engine games or Quake. However it's still than the dogshit that is Doom 2016
>>724455376>t. played the game on switch
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Doom 64 CE with Archviles and revenants added to the campaign is peak doom
>>724455376I don't think it's that great of a game but>runs like shit despite being a 9 year old gameIt's literally one of the best optimized games I've ever seen. Was getting almost 100 fps on a 1060 3gb. Easily maintains 240 fps at 1440p on my current setup.>goofy ahh enemy designsHang yourself faggot
>ahhKill yourself.
>>724459198>>724459113faggot ahh niggers
>>724455641This. It's not a perfect game, but still was more fun than shiternal.
>>724461660that's a low bar
>>724455641>>724461660>>724463338>half a decade later>still seething daily that you failed to TORtanic Eternal and thus proved /v/'s dogshit opinions have zero relevance in the industrySad!Now please stop pretending you play these games /v/, they have too much gameplay for you, go back to your precious tranny pandering non-games for teen girls like Deltatroon, Dispatch, Life is Strange, Danganronpa, The Sims or the myriad of gacha slop you have on your chinkphones.
>>724455376>map layout>confusingYou have a smooth brain and a low IQ.
You're gay if you don't like ass
>>7244553762016 walked so Eternal could run.
>>724464864looks like utter shit
>>724455376i don't necessarily agree or disagree with specific points because i don't remember the game well, but i do recall being very bored with it and not finishing.
>>724463794>being this assdevastated that your autistic adhd weaponswap cooldownmanagement arena slop isn't universally praisedSad! One day you will get over it, but it won't be today. Now keep seething.
all the new doom games are rubbish but>runs like shit I've gotta disagree with this
Who the fuck are you to question what I enjoy?
>>724469791Kill yourself faggot
>>724473502>can't handle the slightest bit of defiance without getting hostile
>>724473578Yes, now kill yourself faggot nigger tranny
>>724455376>runs like shit despite being a 9 year old gamesaar?
>>724455376What kind of shit rig are you running that Doom 4 doesn't run over 150 fps at all times?
>>724464864I like that Eternal is more willing to challenge you than 2016 or Dark Ages, but I hate the actual mechanics and the idea that gameplay like this webm is optimal. I could go my entire life without suffering any more cooldown jugglingshit.
>>724455376>>map layour more confusing than Quake 2how did you find Doom 2016 maps confusingactually, scratch that, how did you find Q2 maps confusing
>>724475809>the idea that gameplay like this webm is optimaloptimal gameplay in Quake 1 is hopping past all the enemies to get to the exit OR hopping past all the enemies to get to the quad then coming back and killing the enemies with quad if you're aiming for all killsbut I bet that didn't stop you from playing Quake 1 "normally"
>>724455376>goofy ahhDidn't read the rest
>>724475932Yeah that totally sounds like the intended experience for Quake and not just speedtranny revisionism in the near 30 years that people have been playing that same original map set. That's why the demos in Quake's menu don't resemble that approach in the slightest.
>>724476429I'm sorry, are we talking about intended or optimal experiences? Because you used the word "optimal", not "intended". Bunny-hopping in Quake 1 is not intended (Carmack famously hated bunny-hopping and wanted to patch it out of Quake because the idea that action hero is jumping around was stupid for him), but it sure is optimal.
>>724476429I do think a "time trials" approach to replaying levels in inevitable in any game that encourages it even indirectly like quake does (showing timer / secret / kill count) or is simply fun enough to revisit a bunch
>>724476630So what's the intended experience for Eternal look like? Because my issue is that it pushes you into this optimal play mindset inherently. Like there are organic reasons a player would want to switch weapons, and I don't consider DPS because they made the weapon swap animation shorter than the weapon's recovery animation to be a natural reason. And my issue with the optimal play mindset is because it removes you from being in the game as a world or setting and more interacting with it as a program that's governed by timers, animations, and such. Take your example with Quake. The idea of playing a shooter so you can deliberately not fight enemies is retarded. If Quake's vanilla design encouraged that to the point the player hits a wall if they do anything other than running past enemies to the end then I wouldn't want to play that either because it's too forced. I was able to play near-optimally for Eternal but I didn't enjoy it.
>>724478112>So what's the intended experience for Eternal look like?Weapon switching is encouraged, but not to extent the webm shows. The players found the way to make weapon switching even faster, the ways to make Lock-On faster, just like players found the ways to move faster in Quake. But also, you don't have to. I completed Eternal on Ultra-Nightmare (and the second DLC, but not the first one because I died to last boss like 5 times and had to stop), and I didn't quickswitch very often. You can rely on Chaingun, Lock-On Burst, Destroyer Blade etc. The DPS weapons might not be as good as optimal quick switching, but if the difference is killing enemy in 2 seconds instead of 1.5 seconds, why care?
I don't think the game is as bad as OP says but some criticisms I agree with>you can't see shitidk why but this game legitimately hurts my eyes to play and I don't understand why. I have fucked with the graphics settings but something innate to the game is putting crazy strain on my eyes so I could only beat it in hour long bursts. Also everything blends into itself so target aquisition would constantly get me killed as I could hear an enemy but couldn't pick its shade of red/brown apart from the identical background with tons of vfx and fog obscuring it.>arena designidk why every arena you fight demons in has random instant death potholes. I would constantly fall into holes because every arena you fight in seemed to have them peppered about at random for some reason.Other than that the game was pretty good. Dunno what the "meta" was with the guns and how best to use them vs specific demons and some felt redundant but I liked the game regardless.
>>724478362The first time I beat Eternal on NM it was almost only using the SSG out of stubbornness. I know it can be done, but the benefits to quickswapping, even to just SSG/Ballista, is too high ignore, with many things like weapon and enemy recoveries timed in a way that feels like garbage if you're just using 1 weapon. Like these are the moments where the game is clearly telling me "this is how you actually play the game". The problem is that I don't find that or the cooldowns appealing as the core gameplay of an FPS. If it weren't a Doom game, I probably wouldn't have played it.
>>724479303SSG-ballista isn't a real quick swap, it's... just swap. For quick swapping you need a "fast swap" weapon like heavy cannon and mix it with a slow swap weapon. Which is why you see in those webms people using PB-SSG, PB-rocket and PB-ballista, because using heavy cannon (or plasma gun, or chaingun, but those don't really have good alt-fires suitable for that role) makes swapping faster.But I also never really bothered with it, I just used weapons situationally like I do in most FPS games.I agree that cooldowns like grenades and flame belch are really important, though. If you don't like it, well, it sucks I guess.
it was amazing in its time but it's been surpassed. I'll probably never replay it.
>>724479564>If you don't like it, well, it sucks I guess.That's what I've been saying. This is my struggle with Eternal, because it's the only nu-Doom to bother presenting you a couple unique enemy types, being the Marauder and Spirit, but I just dislike Eternal's specific gameplay mechanics.
>>724480087Nothing to be done here, I guess. I like the cooldowns the way they work in DE and I like the idea of extracting resources from enemies. It's pretty fun to group a bunch of demons and then light them on fire and punch to create a shower of armor pieces instead of just running away to grab some armor.
>>724455376Didn't read your text but I agree. Zoomer ass game, those zoom-in to monsters to introduce their names is the lamest thing ever. Game is "get to monster spawn area and shoot everyhing while strafing in a perfect circle" rinse and repeat.Liked it enough to beat it. Not too interest in the sequels though
>>724480207Your loss. Sequel combat is more fun.
>>724455683>>724461660>>724463338>>724466208>>724468391Filtered.
>>724468391The "games" you nu/v/edditors like are all turbo casual slop for girls, for you even Tetris and Pokemon are "autistic adhd" shit because if the game requires more than one input per minute your inferior cognitive skills will be overwhelmed.>Now keep seething.The game was a massive success and got universal praise, the reception it deserved, its /v/ the one that's been seething daily for 5 years now.
>>724476429>high skill level gameplay>t-tranniesNu/v/ will never beat the allegations.You fags suck at videogames.
>>724480201I never liked how the resources are infinitely farmable with Doom 2016 onward. I prefer the hard limitations that come with placed pickup items. I'd make a comparison with how continuous play vs pistol/pitchfork starting works in classic FPS, where continuous usually allows you to overwhelm certain aspects of new level encounters while pistol starting has you purely at the mercy of this specific level.Lengthy cooldowns I just hate period. Creates lots of moments when something just isn't reliable in the heat of combat when your intuition tells you it ought to be unless you're taking your eyes off the game and onto the hud very frequently. Finite ammo w/replenishment is more to my preference.
>>724482109>I never liked how the resources are infinitely farmable with Doom 2016 onward.Well, I liked it. Not many games do that, anyway.>Creates lots of moments when something just isn't reliable in the heat of combat when your intuition tells you it ought to be unless you're taking your eyes off the game and onto the hud very frequentlyNot a problem if you use it a lot, you eventually just get a feel for it. Like with the flame belch I would just press the button whenever I saw an opening for it and usually it would be ready sinceit recharges in like 12 seconds.
>>724455376goofy? Have you seen original Doom?
>>724480763Playing the game so that you can not play the game is stupid and acting like not playing the game is the peak is retarded and I'm dying on that hill.
>>724480424Bout time one of these was made
It's been five fucking years and you reyarfs are still crying and screaming because eternal wasn't the next tortanic
