Still the most immersion breaking moment in the game
>>724455623>fucked up shrine literally takes you back to the past the same way it did in the intro cinematic"hurr hurr i've ignored the fact that i've been scavenging through the magical mirror of past for the whole game so it bothers me"Also doubly josses, because hollows are retarded enough to actually be stumped by this obstacle.
UGH!!!! MY IMMERSION!!! BUH!!!! UIHUHUHUHUHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH!!!! BUH!!!! MUHMERsION!!! UGHHHH
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>>724455729I’m not hollow though is the problem
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>>724456067>>724456114>>724456186Damn, if they only put that effort into the enemy placement, level design, and gameplay design, then we would've had a good game.
>>724456518All those are actually better in SotFS than in any other souls game
>>724456770Only thing it does better is builds
>>724456908Levels are overall more fun to explore and have more interactions than in any other souls games. Paying attention to your environment can turn the tide over in encounters for example.Enemy placement, other souls game (especially DaS3) has way more ganks than SotFS so I don't understand that meme. The enemy placement in SotFS is fine, what people mostly cry about is that they can't just run past everything.Gameplay design? DaS2 has more risk and reward by stamina not being free, the magic system is best in the series, bonfire ascetics, ng+ changes, most different ways to approach the game and the progression (even more than ER).
>>724455623i still believe this was last minute, because they could've put a big ass hole there. i suspect they didnt want players to go that route too early to be underleveled. its not like souls players are the smartest.
>>724455623second most. number 1 is going through an elevator in a building and ending up in a volcano.
>>724455623Not a problem in nortubel
>>724455729explain benhart of jugolack of patchesheineken
>OnlyAfro deportedDark Spirit Defeated
>>724457058the levels looked like ahh and unfinished so i dropped the game
>>724456518>>724457058DaS2 really feels like a severely mismanaged project. You have on one hand cute little details and mechanics people clearly put in a lot of effort but then on the other hand you have a game that looks and feels often worse than it's predecessor.
>>724457262Can all be explained by the car tire tracks in Things Betwixed.
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>>724457591>severely mismanaged project.it wasthe main director wanted something specific, he was taking a long time, the higher ups said no and kicked him out, replacing him with someone else who had to work with what he had. the higher ups said make it work on last gen consoles, so they had to butcher the game further
>>724457591>DaS2 really feels like a severely mismanaged project.I know you probably knew it already but yeah because it is. Severely.Literally they broke apart the work that was done, stitched it together with ductape and pray to amaterasu or whoever that it actually sells.Whatever the previous director did really made Fromsoft furious that what he did just got blown apart into pieces, literally
>>724457925Next gen consoles weren't even considered during development according to the devs - they simply fucked up by thinking they could still squeeze "something" out of the last gen ones.
>>724457262I thought Patches is only in specifically Miyazaki stuffis he in Nightrein?
>>724457058>risk and rewardIt introduced fast travel from the beginning. DS1 remains the most tense game in the series
I just don't like the weird movement (your character snaps to 8 directions like on fucking WASD lol) and the odd mo-capped animations. DS3 and Elden Ring went back to the DS1 style animations and that says a lot.In an eventual remaster, I want them to pretty up the graphics (mainly the lighting + some textures) and literally give me DS3's movement/anims, and it would be fucking sick and I'd probably finish the game 2 more times.
>>724457931No it was all bandai namco's fault actually.
>>724456067posted this last time, but this animation took me legitimately 50 seconds, and i did it in the laziest way possible. that's all it takes, just a little bit of soul.
immersionfags need the rope
For me it's the elevator to lava land
>>724458334i actually love that. its perfectly fine being unrealistic
>>724458080On very slim technicality. Duchess has a Black Leather outfit (Thief set from DS1) which Patches also wears.But no, he isn't present as an NPC.
>>724456067KINO!
>>724457058>I don't understand the gank memeThey listened to a youtuber tell them it was ganky and now that's their entire viewpoint on the subject. I'm not even exaggerating sadly. There's just no other explanation for being that retarded in general, let alone thinking base game DS2 was less ganky.
>>724457058>>724458998>ganks are just a meme, game is perfectly balancedTry playing Shrine of Amana without a bow and come back to me.
>>724456518the "level design" is good. its the "world design" you dont like.
>>724458496me too, it gives you the feel of a weird fever dream as you begin to lose yourself
>>724458496yeah i always thought the game was like an alternate universe/ fever dream so it made sense to me in a weird way. i was like "oh cool a lava volcano level in the clouds!"
>>724459139anon didnt say that
>>724456098You literally are, that's a main plot point even.
>>724456518They did though, you are probably a ds3tard and probably ran past every enemy.
>>724458998some areas could be really bad if you just rushed in, like the guys before the bridge to the chariot fight. You needed to be careful to only pull 1 or two because you could easily pull all of them which was very obnoxious to have to deal with.The group of like 8 two handed swordsman you fight in lost bastile is something I see a lot of people complain about including streamers but its such a meme because you can fight them in a super tight hallway and its so easy to deal with.
>>724459139>ganks are just a memeYes.>game is perfectly balancedNobody has ever made this argument.>Try playing Shrine of Amana without a bowI have multiple times. It's really easy because that area is not a gank even by the meme definition. The enemies only aggro once you reach certain points in the level so it's entirely in your control when and how many you fight. The only exception is that the mages have a longer aggro distance, but their spells are easy to dodge to the point that literally just slowly walking to the side makes them miss every time (Or you could just use a shield and you can run to the next breakpoint too).I'm curious what your definition of gank actually is honestly.>>724459313>some areas could be really bad if you just rushed inSo not a gank at all. That's what is called a skill issue, like people who get spooked by an enemy and then run forward instead of back where they came from.
>>724455623Do you remember when Joseph Anderson tried to defend this and seemed to just completely miss the entire point? SotFS should've just moved the shrine of winter to the halfway point of the drangleic staircase bridge. That way it would actually make some sense.
>>724456067ds2 version is a pointless waste of time, code, animation and effort. just move the ds1 low health animation to 15% and its perfect.
>>724456186One of Miyazaki's greatest regrets was not letting the DS2 guys make the game they wanted.
>>724458242now apply all the other character constraints to it, and not just the literal easiest fucking part of that entire feature.
>>724459779it's only during the idle though, it doesn't affect movement or attacks.
>>724456067>>724456114>>724456186Yeah these tiny bits of soul totally make up for how shitty and scuffed everything else in the game is!
>>724459756Miyazaki wasn't involved, tard. What happened is that the CEO of the company, Naotoshi Zin, shit the bed by appointing one of his senior directors as director of the game because "fuck Miyazaki if he thinks he is better than us". Said director, Shibuya, would then shit his bed, forcing Zin to fire him and step in himself as a game designer whilst sending the new director on a long PR tour where he couldn't really do much directing. And the end result is DS2, a game for retards. Naotoshi Zin was fired from his own company that he started, Miyazaki took over, and the rest is history.
>>724459892It worked for all their other shitty and scuffed games.
>>724457320sucks to be venezuelan right now
>>724459642anon that also misses the point
>>724457406>ahhzoomer
>>724460406baited ahh unc
>>724458496ThisNot every game needs to be good and DS2 nails in that department
>>724460406almost everyone using zoomer speak is doing it ironically and is a millenial
>>724457262what's wrong with benhart?patches is hereheineken is someone not finished the texture editing, crunch moment. Souls games all pull from public texture libraries instead of making their own shit, after all
>>724460503Blud thinks we're doin a little trolling... :skull:
>>724458167>to DS1 style animationsGod i wish, they went back to bloodborne style animations, which while are great looking, are a nightmare to read and dodge. And then they put delays and mixups on top of them. Absolutely nuking the main appeal of souls combat - readibility.
>>724460503same for nigger speak really. Any kind of quirky speak. This is some homestuck shit.
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>>724457262>>724460531Benhart goes wherever he wants, including the past.
>>724456067>>724456114Compare lighting your first bonfire in ds1 to ds2, the difference is absolutely insane.Ds2chads will know what I'm talking about.
>>724458167Faggot.
>>724459174The level design is ass too.
>>724456114Yet they couldn't animate/model your entire inventory disappearing into a voidspace behind your back. Curious.
>>724458998>>724459313>>724459139the only reason people think DS2 is ganky is because they played it after having their brain rotted by DS1 and DS3 streamers just treating those games like mindless boss rushes where you can literally ignore 95% of the level design with very little effortDS2 actually prevents that playstyle for being viable or preferable, it wants you to play it patiently and carefully. You know, the original intent behind DeS and DS1 (which was poorly realized because you can just iframe flip almost everywhere and run past enemies)And these streamerguzzlers secondaries got upset by this when they touched DS2 and were asked to actually engage with the game they paid money forThis is LITERALLY the one and only reason - that, plus the irish nigger dude being unable to play without lock-on and thus incapable of crowd control. Issue is, his shitty misinformed opinions went on to poison the well of the DS2 derangement syndrome discourse
>>724459139>playing Shrine of Amana without a bowDone it multiple times. Literal skill issue if you're talking about Sotfs Amana. The 1.0 version was a lot worse, I'll give you that.
>>724455623No. You don't understand. You could fall and get hurt.
>>724459642The Shrine is sealed by the 4 great souls. The only justification you need is to add a force field barrier like the one before Irythill in DS3
>>724464740>DS2 derangement syndromeGet help.
>/tv/ loves Zack Snyder despite the fact that he's a hack fraud>/a/ loves Kubo Tite of "The Heart" infamy>/v/ loves Kojima despite the fact that he's a shitty writer>/v/ also loves DaS2 because everyone else hates itAren't you tired of being contrarian retards?
>>724459642They should've just.... not have the stupid fucking rubble there in the first place. If the shrine was the only visible way through literally no one would complain. They invited the mockery themselves.Same with the stupid fucking elevator to Iron Keep. Just have it go down instead of up, problem fucking solved.
>>724466950Hell, why not walk arround THE WHOLE AREA?Don't tell me the slopes on the side are also an insurmountable obstacle for anyone with two working legs.This whole shit is basically the vidya equivalent of this:
>>724457320Really? Good riddance to that fucking troon. He went back and edited the GiantDad video because it wasn't politically correct, iirc.Fucking faggot.
>>724458242Now create about three other poses in between for less heavy weapons, and write the code necessary to activate them all depending on the weapon used and the weapon slot it's in. Now animate returning to that pose from an attack or hitstun.Still relatively simple for the team, but it would take more effort than what you're claiming.
>>724467706to be honest you can manage most of that in a different way. I agree with you that its not as simple as just making two animations and calling it a day, you have to set up everything and in gaming with so many variables it can be a mess.In this way id even go the method of applying a modifier to bend over the bones instead of having it being a blend of two animations, so that it wouldnt be needed two versions of everything and this tiresome weight could be applied at any situation (althought this method can bring some visual bugs if the effect is too strong with some specific animations).
>>724455623I don't like dark souls 2 because the level design and a lot of bosses are trash. The actual weapons leveling, meta and multiplayer don't matter to me in the slightest. Every level just felt like a drag and I wanted to get it over with. Dark Souls 3 wasn't all that much better and I never played a souls game after that. I have souls fatigue like no other and I hate soulsfags and all the souls like shit it's spawned. Dark Souls did the same damage in todays climate that CoD did back in 2009
Dark Souls 2 is pure sovlfvl kino
>>724456770no, they are not.>>724459174nope, ds2 has absolute dogshit level design. it's cheap, rushed and nonsensical. >>724459297>the moment call out DS2 for being absolute dogshit is the moment the DS3 deflection startslike clockwork
>>724468034Play Bloodborne, especially if you're the type that likes to get invested in the world/ story.
>>724466840no, contrarians are usually extremely low IQ individuals that unironically believe they are right because they consumed a dogshit product as a child.all DS2tards are secondaries/tourists who missed the DeS/DaS hype and wanted to be part of the next big thing.Problem is, DS2 never became the next big thing. It was universally despised, and for some strange reason, the most popular people defending it are corpor-bootlicking leftoids, trannies and wokies. there is not a single healthy, adjusted man who ever defended DogShit II.
>>724468162I haven't played it fully so I didn't mention it in my post. From what I played it actually is top notch. Level design is really good.
Imagine a game so bad, the devs have to redo enemy placement and balancing from scratch, as well as put in lore-explanation npcs.Imagine boss fights so bad, the entire retarded fanbase cannot argue against it, and instead they always resort to>b-b-but what about OTHER badly designed game???That is DS2 and its entire degenerate fanbase (consisting of the dregs of society) for you.
>>724455729It takes you back to the past to play a shitty game that sucks ass.
>>724455623how come no one brings up that 2 has worse graphics than 1? at least the colors are all fucked up, in 1 they at least look natural. 2 was made in mspaint and it was way worse in the original version. character creation is oblivion-tier.
contrarians : the thread
>>724466840>/tv/ loves Zack Snyder despite the fact that he's a hack fraudNo they don't. They make fun of the jeets that do constantly.
>>724468586DaS2 is super weird because in the parts where it looks good, it’s way nicer looking than anything in DeS or DaS1, but then it also has areas that look like complete ass. There’s spots where Fromsoft’s own Armoured Core games on ps1 have better uses of textures and lighting. Inside of Earthern Peak is embarrassing, incredibly tiny texture endlessly tiled with no lighting or shading or anything.But then places like Majula or Huntsman’s Copse look really good.
