Are there any examples of 11/10 players in vidya who vastly outclass everyone else? Or is vidya too low brow for genuine geniuses to bother with?
>>724462319The guy that won Pac-man.
this happens all the time in video games and in most competitions, there's rarely more than one completely dominating playerit's one of the reasons Melee was so alluring back in the day, there being a whole five players who all competed for the #1 spot is practically unheard of in any competitive activity
>>724462319Dude lost to an Indian, though.
>>724462319There are but they tend to be game specific and somewhat time limited; chess is one game and the way to play good chess has been clear for almost 100 years, also no dexterous skill involved, so in videogames you can't have a Capablanca/Kasparov/Magnus situation where someone stays on top for 20 years, but you can have a Fisher where someone is monstrously stronger than anyone for a little whileI can think some examples in Fighting Games>peak Justin Wong in MVC2>peak Daigo in SFAlpha2/3>Melee Five Gods era
>>724462319
>>724462319ongbaldaigo
>>724462319Brainlet thinks geniuses are in 1 homogen class of people, kek
>>724463082He was a cheater, though ever
>>724463228you're a homogen lmao
>>724463259kek got that fag
>>724463167I can't give you a link, but in one of the comment sections (I think it was a modded Sekiro boss) Ongbal admitted it takes him dozens of resets to make a perfect video.
>>724462319he fell off
>>724463331Isn't he still the number 1 in the world?
>>724462319Flash Broodwar>>724463331Still numero at everything dumb poo
>>724463401yes, and in all formats
>>724462319Imagine matchfixing a chess title with your friend so that you can quickly go to the casino after the tournament lmaomagnus jewsen verified cheater
>>724462523He wasn't even the best Donkey Kong player at the time of the King of Kong docco.The docoo just left that out from dramatic purposes
>>724462319Not in the same way as Magnus. I suppose Faker was for a period of time, but not anymore. He probably still has the best game sense in the world but his mechanics are definitely behind the current top players
>>724463312>Ongbal admitted it takes him dozens of resets to make a perfect video.Oh really? I thought its always first try. THANKS ANON
>>724462319>who vastly outclass everyone elsePicture unrelated? Carlsen is the strongest player of all time but he doesn't outclass the field. throughout his tenure there's always been a few other 2800s and a decent field of strong 2700s
>>724463534>mechanics>lol>mechanicsKill yourself.
>>724463104Wasnt even the best player on his team.
>>724462319Cant' take him seriously after that vibrator meltdown. He can't take a loss with dignity.
>>724463582>mechanical skills
>>724463589Go to bed Hans
>>724463618Tekken had Knee doing 1f combos and you imbeciles mention a watered down copy of dota 2 which is a watered down copy of warcraft III which is a watered down copy of Starcraft Broodwar. Unironically kill yourself. Never post again.
>>724462319lost to a street shitter btw
>>724463582yes?
>>724463575>Carlsen is the strongest player of all time but he doesn't outclass the fieldHikaru is considered number 2 right now but he's obviously nowhere in the same ballpark and that says everything you need to know.
>>724463679BUT POOPKESH WON AGAINST A LITERAL WHO FROM A COUNTRY THAT DOESNT EVEN PLAY THE GAMEHES WORLD CHOMPION SAR
>>724463642and OP is about chess which requires the mechanical ability of a literal toddler
>>724463642Your genre's GOAT is a gay black furry. Fighting games aren't hard.
>>724463642fighting games are worthless slop and nobody cares about them. The fact that its the most common genre for niggers to play says it all. Kill yourself shitskin
>>724463679>but he's obviously nowhere in the same ballparkYes he is, so is Caruana who just beat Carlsen handily in a Berlin endgame. Of course Carlsen outperforms both of them on average, commensurably to their current ELO difference
>>724463748Blame india and russia for killing the game by forcing minors to learn chess lines instead of going to school (illegal btw), also chess engines. Old chess was extremely mechanical (calculation n shiet)
>>724463658Every top player loses games to other top players. Chess isn't like boxing or MMA, where the best of all time can go their entire career undefeated. That one clip went viral because he slammed the table after outplaying Gukesh for the whole game and losing from a completely winning position. It made the game seem more important or monumental in the eyes of people who don't follow chess than it actually was. Carlsen won that tournament, by the way. As he does with almost every tournament he participates in.
>>724463104He's not even a top 10 player from NA, the worst region at CS. Retard fell for the streamer hype
>>724463534Videogames are dogshit measures of long term skill because the foundation in which all your strategy is built upon changes every month with new meta patch notes shaking the game up in order to draw normies back to the game. Actual sports leagues retool and make new rules but it's during the off-season only , there isn't some mid season update to make a football 2x the weight to nerf mains for whatever reason. Compare that to chess. When's the last time the pawn had a meta update because it couldn't hack it against a queen.
>>724462319In competitive Starcraft they have a term for it: BonjwaFlash dominated for years
mrekk in osu
Why are indians so shit at chess? It's the only thing their kids do all day, shouldn't they be like..the best?
>>724462319https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGEH21o0YOI>cute chick asks if she can play freestyle (randomized backline) chess with him>sure why not>can I blindfold you?>uhhhh, okay I need to "lock in", give me a sec>memorizes the board and keeps the whole thing visualized for 10 minutes straight>beats her with another one of his queen sacrifice checkmatesthis shit is just too crazy, imagine if he played DOTA or something
Carl Jr.
>>724462319>vastly outclass everyone else>loses to a poo>barely stalemates an 11-year-oldLOL
>>724464123>DOTAwaste of talent, make carlsen play broodwar. DOTA and LOL are for failures that fear real 1v1 games with actual mechanics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgrR8vbylwQ
>>724463862>When's the last time the pawn had a meta update because it couldn't hack it against a queen.About 500 years ago. The double move + backstab was a later addition to speed up the game.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_passant#History
>>724464279History of chess is pretty neat. Of all places I didn't expect it to originate from India but I'm glad a game of strategy like that survived so many cultural and world changes to get to today.
SerralArslan AshJustin WongFlash
>>724464394>didn't expect it to originate from Indiait didn't doe
Viper in AoE2. Not quite on the level of Carlsen but he's pretty goated, although he's now fallen off I think.
>>724463312>Ongbal admitted it takes him dozens of resets to make a perfect video.are you genuinely surprised by that? I thought it was obvious
>>724464609I thought it'd be only a few tries. Otherwise any fucking retard can grind it out after enough time, so what's the big fucking deal. Like, I'm a trash player but I can no-hit a bunch of DS3 bosses like Dancer and Midir, should I start my own le epic boss takedowns YT channel? Ofc not.
>>724462319This guy is legitimately autistic, not 4chan autistic, ACTUALLY autistic
Jerax in DotA.
>>724463104>average player that had to retire because he wasn't too good>caught cheating multiple times on stream>his video game failed>lost all his savings because of the CS2 market crash
>>724462319Flash in broodwar
>>724462319BEN in Poe(1)
>>724463082>lost to an indiancarlsen has beaten gukesh literally over 100 times
>>724463642League is basically unskilled phone game that caters to HERO DAMAGE then REACTION TIMEThere is no other factor at play for league and shitters are coping thinking it’s some deep game. Any meta game or lane control comes form just mashing your buttons unlike Dota 2 which AT LEAST has higher level mechanics
>>724464443Chess"s earliest known modern ancestor is an Indian game called Chaturanga. People believe that there might be earlier examples originating from China but we don't have those and if they existed the Chinese government would love to claim they own Chess just like they own all the worlds Pandas. Even those born in captivity not located inside of china. The bishop was an elephant though there's some debate over if it moved the same way.
>>724465486The elephant is a Xiangqi piece, it moves exactly like a bishop but is a defensive piece and can only move 2 squares. India did not invent chess, chess spawned from Xiangqi. Poos are the dumbest creatures to ever exist, do you really think they made the game? fucking lol dude lmao even
>>724464720>after enough timesure, but he did do solo no hit of everdark libra or the dog the day they dropped, so it can't be too longs
>>724464720Do you know how many hours and attempts speedrunners take to achieve a highly regarded world record? Do you think it makes it any less impressive?It does not make them look less skilled, it only shows how hard it is to achieve what they did.
>>724463780That faggot is only goid at games no one plays, any popular game he tried he got btfo
>>724465705I wonder how tf he practiced that because every attempt takes 40 min, did he use some debug tool or something? LilAggy played legit and every no-hit took him a lot of time.
>>724462319Lifecoach playing Slay the Spire is interesting. He seems pretty smart.
>>724465895It's easy to break open video games these days. You can even make cheats that automatically trigger the parry flag for you so anyone that does this recorded no hit videos are just a fraud. Live in-person is the only way to guarantee it's legit.
>>724462319Zero in Smash 4. He complained about Diddy Kong being broken and it would kill the fun of the game but then he retracted what he said and started maining Diddy Kong kek. I forget the amount of consecutive tournaments he won but it was a lot.
>>724465671>XiangqiPlays nothing like chess or uses a chess board. Chaturanga is the basis for modern day chess
>>724462319me
>>724467004Doesn't chess come from pre-Islamic Arabia? I heard that Queen was originally Vizier hence it being OP.
dsp
lol
The people that play chess the most are also the dumbest people I know. Does anyone else have the same experience? Its so strange seeing them play chess like a mastermind but then be drooling retards if you try to talk to them about almost anything. Specifically, the one I know who plays chess the most and the best is a Bosnian immigrant bartender who cannot comprehend any conversation that isn't about drinking and partying.
>>724468013To be a top-level chess player the basic requirement is to be a monomaniac giga autist who can bothered to memorize opening lines since you are 5-years-old. This leads to complete lack of understanding about most other subjects.
Isai
>>724467451The precursor of chess originated in India, got evolved into its modern form in medieval Europe and was later perfected by Bobby "my primary goal is to expose the Jew" Fischer, PBUH (Fischerrandom)
>>724467004>Plays nothing like chess or uses a chess board.Plays exactly like chess, uses the same pieces as chess and the win condition is the same one as chess. There are tons of copies and shituranga happens to be one of them, chess is a european invention not indian. Sorry poo, better luck in your next "reincarnation"
>>724464720You sound like the kind of person that thinks fighting a bear wouldn't be too hard
>know absolutely nothing about chess>especially don't give a fuck about pro chess>just watched a youtube video about cheaters in sports>final segment in the video was about chess as a curveball and was about this guy accusing some other dude of cheating>go to /v/>this is the first thread I seeWhat a weirdly specific coincidence.Also to answer OPs question, there's SonicFox, but that comes with the caveat that he's only extremely dominant in Mortal Kombat (also Skullgirls iirc) which is a franchise that nobody takes seriously, any of the other fighting games with a larger populations he gets stomped. But to give him props, he is pretty much unbeatable when it comes to the kiddy pool competition of the MK scene unless I missed something.
>>724468013Because they don't leave room in their brain for anything else. Every other thing they learn and do is in order to facilitate chess. The only reason they keep the ability to talk is so they can fucking talk about chess. It's less a matter of intelligence, and more a matter of how much of yourself are you willing to sacrifice to chess.
hate all you like but sonicfox has been untouchable in mortal kombat games for like a decade
>>724462523Billy won. Jobst jobbed. The yellow beast is Billy's to conquer.
>>724469293>>724469185>dead gameok
If you can't make any moves because your king is pinned, you lose.
>>724468013>>724469185The coach of the guy in the OP played both chess AND football at professional level.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simen_Agdestein
>>724463582You can't get out of gold retard
>>724468013One thing you learn about anybody who reaches the mountaintop of their competition is that 9 out of 10 times they're going to be a giga-autist that is unhealthily fixated on the thing that they excel at and have barely any knowledge in anything else in life.Idgaf about e-sports, but as someone who does follow a bunch of sports, I recommend listening to the way guys like Tom Brady and Barry Bonds speak. Absolutely immaculate when it comes to breaking down aspects of the sport they compete in, but outside of that they sound like retards or robots pretending to be human and even their comments on their sports sound near psychotic at times.
>>724469491Being a good football player is less about your brain and more about stamina and dexterity. A chess player understands how straight line works. I don't expect Agdestein or Carlsen to be able to have an interesting discussion with me about calculus, statistics, European history, fatherhood or literally anything else that interests me more than chess.
>>724469935I think you are massive loser and a waste of air.
>>724462319Flash in starcraft brood warWoox in osrs for a while. there are better players than him nowadays but his feats are still legendary
>>724470063>I think you are massive loser and a waste of air.Sure, but I have a master's degree, a full time job, a happy wife, two happy sons, a nice house, two cars and can afford to go on a month and a half long holidays and enjoy videogames.
>>724470334Then why are you so desperate to prove yourself in the weeb website? Absolute fucking loser, no doubt about it in my mind now. Your kids will also be losers since his dad doesn't even understand basic human interactions, waste of oxygen.
>>724470392I wasn't desperate to prove anything. I don't find chess-autists to be well rounded individuals. That seems to make you upset for some reason.The only valid responses are a, not reply to you and let you think you're right, or reply to you which will also let you think you're right, but everyone else gets to see how silly you are.
>>724462319Korean tekken players.
>>724463057Everyone knows that no one managed to surpass Armada's peak in the end.
>yfw you have thousands of hours at your competitive game of choice to the point it badly affected every other aspect of your life>yfw you actually did meaningful practice and studied>yfw you are still mediocre AT BEST and people with less than half your playtime completely destroy youwhat should i learn from this experience?
>>724464535there is a new sheriff in town. Hera has won the most recent 15 tourneys in a row
>>724462523Literally who?
Donk I don't there is anyone close to him.
Me.
>>724462319SonicFox during most of modern Mortal Kombat.The Melee Gods were all so insanely unbeatable that it took years of training and age degenerating them before people started taking matches off them.Peak Justin Wong in MVC2 was also absurd.In SC, Flash in BW. In fact most of the Korean pros are so good that the GOAT Non-Koreans are literal whos in BW leagues because Koreans are that good at BW.
>>724463862>Videogames are dogshit measures of long term skill because the foundation in which all your strategy is built upon changes every month with new meta patch notes shaking the game up in order to draw normies back to the game.I remember an old wow arena "pro" talking about this years back. The game used to not display buffs that enemies had unless a mage cast detect magic, so one of the things this player did that made him better than others is he became extremely good at watching character models and animations to notice the small signs of important buffs (say, a druid having innervate). Eventually a patch just made it so all buffs were visible to all players at all times, so his "advantage" in being able to spot these animations was gone since every player could just see the buffs instantly at all times.
>>724465874best SF player is a fat black dominicanbest tekken player is pakistaniother fighting games aren't even relevant
>>724463312>>724464720GinoMachino is one of the best Souls players in the world, or at least one of the best with a popular Youtube channel, you can see his livestreams for any no-hit challenges he does and it involves many hours of practice and metagaming. Just being really good at something doesn't change executing something hard like nohitting late game Souls bosses consistently takes a lot of time. Especially if you're making a YT vid out of it where the point is to look cool.
>>724463104Not only was he never considered the best, but now he’s known as a cheater
Hera in Age of Empires 2 has won every single tier 1 tournaments of the last three years.
>those retards saying flashFlash sucks
Magnus Carlsen, play League of Legends, you scrub. You're wasting your time with this "game"
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>>724469778>BradyAnon you realize that shit is performative, same with Jordan, these goobers are industry plants who had their careers manufactured. It’s why they both had to suffer humiliation rituals jordan with his dad and Brady with being literally made a public cuckold
>>724462523Absolute legend
>LoL this>Dota thatcasuals.
>>724463401Yes he's still consistently the best. It's just every time he loses a game everyone makes a big deal out of it because that gets the clicks/views. Like when he lost to Gukesh and everyone was saying it's over for Magnus and then he went on to win that competition but everyone just remembers that he lost that one game lol.
>>724463057Hungrybox dabbing on sweaty meta niggas with the F tier character Jigglypuff was peak.
>>724463057SM64 has had the number 1 spot constantly taken over but right now I think every category is dominated by one guy
>>724469935Carlsen is married and recently had a child. He is also very into football and keeps himself in good shape. I don't know what his maths or history knowledge is like but he has an exceptional memory so I would guess he could at least talk a bit about history. Magnus seems like a funny person from the few interviews of his I've seen. He's not one of those crazy chess players (yet.)
>>724469935>fatherhoodWell Magnus just had a child.
>>724475970pooopearth will never be a good game
>>724462319Being good ad vidya will never be impressive.
>>724463642>>724463582>>724465374why don’t you become a pro at the game thenthey legitimately make a lot of money
>>724462319Serral>Playstation faction almost nobody plays because it's objectively the weakest>Keeps winning regardless >Keeps getting the faction nerfed because of it>Doesn't stop him from winning, just causes even fewer other players to play the faction
>>724463104Not even for a moment was he the best at North American cs, let alone the best at cs in general.
>>724463057>there being a whole five players who all competed for the #1 spot is practically unheard of in any competitive activityThis is why I've never liked watching shit like e-sports or individual sports. The fact that you're tuning into a tournament bracket that might have 16 to 32 people in it, but realistically there's only 2-3 people in there that actually have a chance at winning makes it boring as shit to me. It's fucked up that having 5 viable competitors is seen as an unprecedented number.>inb4 but there was that one time in 200X where that one literal who beat JesusPlayer2038Cool, that still makes the 99 tournaments that year a goddamn snoozefest to watch and I still don't want to see the same 3 guys hot potato a championship for years on end. It's why I stick to team sports, the amount of people competing causing more parity. Not that it always works out that way, the NBA for a long time was fucking horrible about that and don't get me started on shit like euro football leagues where the league title is fucking worthless now because there's one super team that takes it every single year.
>>724475458And of course the queen is a mary sue. You can go anywhere, in any direction, whatever you want. God, I hate women.
>>724462319This dude literally lost a game to anal beads
Flash in Starcraft. Part of me wants to say Happy in Warcraft 3 but he's nowhere near as dominant as someone like Flash was, though it's worth noting that Blizzard have nerfed Undead specifically because of Happy.
>>724462319This dude obviously cheats
>>724481605Flash is a meme, he can’t win shit nowadays
>>724481605>Happy in Warcraft 3That's fair, he dominated warcraft iii for a while just like moon and Grubby, it's not like magnus is going to dominate chess forever...right?
>>724475459Xecnar just extended his Defect streak to 29 after a 7 hour run, 2 of which were the heart, going down to 2 hp at one point.
>>724462319Daigo 2009/2010 SF4
N0tail>highest grossing player>known for playing a meme character>had a shonen anime arc>fun personality
Didnt Slayer_Boxer outclass pretty much everyone in Brood War for some time?
>>724469293This. Sonicfox is a beast
>>724462319Thresh
>>724482756Boxer, Iloveoov, Nada, Flash.Terran is balanced btw.
>>724470754Getting good at a video game is only worth it if you enjoy the journey, not just the destination.
>>724482682Adderall merchant
>>724462319the god of scramble the french bow to him and he doesn't even know what they are saying
>>724462319Serral in SC2 dumpstered the entire region of Korea at their own game. He's now considered the greatest player of all time and it's not close.
>>724484421>DESTROYS Korea in SC2 now that there's no money and no scenetoo bad he couldn't do it 10 years ago when anyone would have cared
>>724462319Happy from Warcraft 3 played the Worst Race ever, but he's so good he's the only 11/10 wc3 pro of all time.They balance the race around Happy.
>no one mentioned Fatal1ty yetdamn zoomers
Arslan Ash
>>724484421Nobody plays SC2 anymore. The last time anyone took it seriously was back in HotS.
>>724463534Way too long to mention faker. An e-sports career that will never be topped.
>>724462319I was once in a local halo 3 tournament. There was this duo who I think were playing since the game released because they were leagues and bounds better than anyone I’ve ever seen. I watched one throw a sniper into a gravlift, the other guy took it on the other side, caught it mid air, and sniped a guy while still midair, landed and killed another guy and they just had bored looks on their faces like this wasn’t insane to pull off. Everything they did was just the most insane stuffIdk what they’re up to nowadays
>>724487617>Fatal1ty Just got mentally flashbanged by this image after all these years
>>724483038i enjoy the journey but i'm appalled at my lack of results. I can't find an explanation, i must be missing some crucial piece and doing something wrong
>>724475483You're a fucking immaculate retard.
>>724462319ChaseTheBro for Souls games. He's been playing Souls PvP since at least Dark Souls 3's release almost every day, then moved on to Elden Ring. Virtually never loses and is proficient with all weapons and builds.https://www.youtube.com/@ChaseTheBro/videosHonestly, I'd go insane if I had to play nothing but Souls PvP for a decade, but I guess some people are built different.
>>724470571Don't listen to this faggot anon. I'm an incel myself and have none of this things but understand the nuance and novelty of the discussion despite you being a normalfag. I can also relate because I had to partner up with a chess player in uni and wanted to kms
>>724466360He won 56 in a row. He did this in a competitive region as well. Shit was insane.
>>724462523>this embarrassing retard>can't even outclass a bunch of nerdslol, lmao even
Jonas Neubauer was the unquestioned champion of Tetris for like a good 5 years who inspired a new generation of zoomers to chase and surpass him. He was so far ahead of everyone with traditional skill, and then people discovered new tech that let them beat him and become commonplace.
>>724481939He dominated the BW scene for a decade. Nowadays he doesn't really try anymore and the entire terran race basically collapsed in pro-BW.
>>724489120>pvp>soulsWhat's next? MMO PvP?Buy. An. Ad.
They exist but speedrunners take the spotlight with their autistic muscle memory and persistence being mistaken for actual skill.
>>724464991all top chess players are
No one has even come close to B4nny
>>724475483>denigrating Jordan AND Bradykys fr fr no cap lil zoomie ahh mf
>>724489120I don't really care if someone "never loses" in matchmaking/random matches, superiority in games only matters if they can beat everyone else in organized competition. Pubstompers until proven otherwise
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>>724462319maybe hera for age of empires 2, but there are players with better micro and it was pretty hilarious when he lost to a gimmick strat recently, but otherwise he often feels unbeatable
>>724462319Doremy is the best Tetris player by far.
>>724462319Doesn't this guy lose like every other fucking week? Call me when he beats Deep Blue and then we'll talk.
>>724490575Jordan is a media creation to sell shoes to third worlders, bro is a massive fucking meme (and a faggot).
>>724489604The players he dominated still attempt to compete and they are like tier 3 players, he was beating up on the e sports equivalent of mailmen and plumbers. The fact the Terran race shit itself is more evidence he was kind of a fraud. It’s like Koreans in tekken 7 before the pakis showed up and proved meter characters were broken. The fact flash never had to switch to zerg main shows the competition was low
>>724483336I watched an a video where a guy was explaining one of his games and damn he's pretty smart
>>724492110Okay we get it, you're a child and you never actually watched him play. But Brady 'literally' just won his 7th super bowl and retired a few years ago
>>724492091Every top player loses games here and there to other top players. Especially in faster time control. That's how it works in chess. What matters is that this guy wins almost every tournament he plays in, has been #1 ranked player for 14 years in the age of very strong and fierce competition, is way higher rated than any player who happens to be #2 at any given time, and is in contention for the greatest player of all time. Besides, Deep Blue is a very old chess engine. It was strong back in the day, but there were some shenanigans going on at the time to improve its odds against Kasparov in an arguably unfair manner. It took a few more years and newer chess engines to definitively leave the realm of human-play in the dust. Despite chess not being a solved game, modern top chess engines are so incredibly strong you might as well refer to their evaluation as objective.
>>724474023The best SF player was Infiltration. He'd body that fat retard anytime if only capcom didn't ruin his career.
>Cheating in chessWhat? Unless you have a literal mind reading device how could you possibly cheat?
>>724462319tenhou (riichi mahjong client) had ASAPIN who reached the highest rank as 1st and 11th accountmind you mahjong is rng bullshit game and differences between top player choices are extremely minor>>724492013there are so many tetris variants and puyo tetris alone had players like Amemiya
me when I play Guitar Hero or Rock Band with friends. I always fuck it up on purpose and let them win sometimes, because if I play too well, they get frustrated and don't want to play with me anymore
>>724493514>asapinCurrently jobbing in IRL mahjong
>>724493407In online chess, people often play a mirror game in a separate window against a strong Chess AI/bot. They do the moves of their opponent, and then just copy whatever moves the crazy chessbot makesnot sure how you'd cheat in chess IRL though, maybe by having someone else do that while you communicate with them through a hidden earpiece or something
>>724493730IRL tournaments don't have the '4th place is lava' rule
>>724462319wasn't there gods of smash melee that no one could win or something
>>724493575Was that a thing? Every time I played those games it was collaborative. Why the fuck would they want to compete against you if they're so much shittier
>>724494946looking at this freak's gameplay on the release version of bf6 compated to the beta is crazy lol
>>724493730>>724494102anytime online skill doesn't equally translate to IRL means they're a fraud that used cheatsfor mahjong it'd be AI engines that completely play the game for you
>>724494985the games and the arcade machines have options to play competitively. You can even play on different difficulties. You'd think that the higher difficulties would be an easy win over the lowers because you get more notes to hit that way, but only if you're consistent because the multipliers are important for the score.
>>724464123High level chess is mostly about memory Dota wouldn't have any transferable skills
>>724462319Politically speaking.
>>724468013
>>724465671Xiangqi is weird. Apparently there was an older version that predated Chaturanga but it was based on astronomical objects like stars, the moom, the sun etc. Written rules have been lost.The current version of Xiangqi only has historical documents from after Chaturanga started spreading from India so it's very likely people took the rules of one game and the name of the other and combined them.
he even has a hot gf im jealous
>>724492810The infil thing makes me genuinely said because he’s clearly the GOAT and they literally just banned him for….nothing. It’s just cause he’s Korean to be honest and he washed all the japs. (Which banning him for being Korean would be based, but not the combo of both)
>>724464720Ongbal also specifically tried to make his videos entertaining with near misses and cool finishers and shit
i'd buy his crypto
>>724493407>Computer analyze your position>Computer sends a buzz through your anal beads signaling that you are in a winning position or that you have a winning moveThere are the 0.1% players, all they need is to know that there is a move and they will find it.
>>724492726Yeah I watched him play and get carried by one sided officiating then have him end his career via a literal cuckolding humiliation ritual let’s take a look at his fraud coach too hmmm do you wonder if he has to experience a humiliation ritual too in service of his ordained career…hmmm would you look at that….wow what a coincidence the frauds were publicly humiliated
>>724462319Not really, Most competitive vidya require high mechanical skill to be good at, not high IQ. In fact, games are specifically designed to cater to low IQ mongoloids.
>>724495412nah it's not about cheating and it was before AI era, tenhou has different rating system that heavily penalises 4th place (no matter if you are 1000 or 20000 points behind the 3rd)
>>724492726>>724492726The nfl is not a real sports league you fucking retard, it’s sport entertainment like WWE. Now go back to blowing your minimum wage on fan duel parlays you braindead loser
>>724490208Once b4nny retires, I feel like T1 competitive TF2 as a whole will die. Entire teams were constructed just to beat him. What a shame that Valve never gave it a chance as an e-sport.
>>724489556F
>>724470882True, hera is great. Although I think he needs to win a few more to become to GOAT.
>>724463057Tangentially related>the best Rivals of Aether 1 player and a younger player who had been fucking everybody up in Rivals 2 are poised to play each other in person at a big tournament >everybody excited to see who the real number 1 is>Plup, a melee player who had never gone to an irl rivals tournament shows up and stomps everybody. Those other guys don’t even get to play each other >Plup disappears, doesn’t go to any other tournaments >UNTIL he shows up at EVO many months later and stomps everybody again
>>724490208I've seen some of his videos, is he #1 in TF2? Like the actual best player of all time?
>>724496304He's just a mediocre T2 CS pro who was smart enough to migrate to Valorant early. Reminds me of when TF2 pros jumped ship to Overwatch where they made a killing.
>>724473172His streams have been legendary.
>>724497021well at least he didn't jump to overwatch, killing his career. from what I learned from him is he was good at aiming and fast in valorant. but he won titles with could9 I think, why is he mediocre? (Im really jealous of him thats why I was watching his video time to time before)
>Faker for league>Yatoro/Collapse for dota 2>Serral for starcraft>Aslan for Tekken Undeniable GOATS of esports
>>724497021nvm what I wrote >>724497481
Serral in Starcraft 2the Zerg race is miserable to play for 99.99% of the playerbase because Serral's Zerg obliterated every other pro player so thoroughly that the race was deliberately nerfed into the ground so the pro tournaments would finally have a non-Serral winner.
who's the goat of esport player?
>>724497750Many are saying it's me
>>724498190and who are you?
>>724497721So why doesn't he play BW? It has more prestige than a dead game like SC2. Bitch didn't even do anything back in WoL-HotS when koreans actually gave a shit about SC2.
>>724498260hi Kim
>>724498318I accept your concession.
>>724462319>Bursts in to the scene in 2019 and killed the Korean meme
>>724498260>So why doesn't he play BWdead outside of Korea and he doesn't want to move >Bitch didn't even do anything back in WoL-HotS when koreans actually gave a shit about SC2.He's been destroying kims since 2017, almost a decade
>>7244986672017 is LotV era
>>724498260The skill level of SC2 players in recent years wrecks everyone from the old SC2 era. Go look at how bad the level of play was in WoL and HotS, Serral or Maru today would roflstomp everyone from that time.
>>724462319Hearthstone Battlegrounds
>>724498901>painted nailswhy?
>>724491456Someone should edit this to make a parody of>See No Evil>Speak No Evil>hear No Evil
>>724498957
>>724492013he's the best SRS player generally speaking, but in specific games/formats he gets outclassed by specialists of those games (especially tetrio since he's not assblastingly fast with uncapped handling)
>>724493869the most famous chess cheating example is this: Karpov received a blueberry yogurt from a waiter during the second game and Korchnoi's team immediately complained to the arbiter that it was a coded signal telling him what move to play. The two sides compromised that Karpov would only receive food at a predetermined time, and that Korchnoi's camp would receive advanced notice of the color of the yogurt.
>>724488869Unless Yahweh builds the house,They labor in vain who build it;Unless Yahweh watches the city,The watchman keeps awake in vain.— Psalm 127:1
>>724488037No shit, no one pretends that being good at lol is an achievement.
lol is such a dogshit game, dota is infinitely better and more complex
>>724499587what clue could be given by a blue yoghurt?
>>724500010Queen to B2 (they are two B's in BlueBerry)
>>724484421>at their own gameKorea's game is broodwar, Serral has stayed away from it because he'd be shit at it. SC2 is a dead game now because it was always worse (and lower skill ceiling) than brood war.
>>724493407
>>724462319It's been said many times already in this thread but deserves to be said again: Flash in brood war. There are "strategy" players and "macro" players. "Macro" players are the ones whose mechanical skill does the majority of their heavy lifting. They produce more units, follow flowcharts more effectively, etc. "Strategy" players out-think their opponents. Flash's Macro was top tier but his strategy was untouchable. He's one of the few video game pros that was better than the rest because he was smarter rather than only having better mechanics.
you'll always uncover a seething gook when you mention Serral, literally their only argument is "so why didn't he change to a different game and win there as well?"
>>724500154this is considered fair and balanced but using the heart of the cards is over the line?This is actual cheating versus having belief that your deck construction skills are good enough to give you a statistical advantage to drawing the correct card(s)
>>724498260I hear he is crying about it>Total Prize Money Earned: $1,866,325.57
>>724462319>11/10 players in vidya who vastly outclass everyone else?What unemployed, enabled, parasites do doesn't concern me. Different lifestyle. I only congratulate people who work a real job and play vidya on the side
>>724499797>heh yeah he's made hundreds of millions of dollars of the game but being good at league isn't hard.>what? why haven't I collected the free millions? I'm too busy shitposting...
>>724493869One might use some kind of vibrating apparatus. You'd only need some place to conceal it...
>>724500340"Heart of the cards" is literally using magic to will the correct card to the top of the deck.
>>724462319>lets give him all our money because...hes good at a gameWhy do we do this again? Niggerball, soccer, mma, chess etc why does anyone pay more than $0 for any of this?
>>724497721Came here to post this this. I'm not aware of anyone else that has so thoroughly warped a game's balance just by being such an outlier that he breaks every tool they give his race. He's the president of RTS autism, the whole game would look different if he wasn't there fucking up every tournament.
>>724500885Sponsors. You have eyeballs and they want your attention.
Doggie
Incugarch, used to be the best Advance Wars player on AWBW, is also Norwegian.Pretty funny coincidence. Maybe Norwegians have a knack for turn based strategy?
>>724462319Closest thing in vidya could be yugioh I guess>>724493407Chess is a solved game for computers, it will bruteforce its way through every combination in seconds. Anyone with stockfish in their phone will always win. That's why it's forbidden to bring any electronics to a pro tournament.>>724500885Anything that makes a good show can bring money through ads. Same with youtube and music.
>>724500885They're walking billboards
>>724480658I miss him so much
>>724500675>hundreds of millionsfucking KEK retard
>>724489503>standing on a little box in his gay white shoeslol wat
>>724475410>he's a soulkek fanlmao. if soulcuck played a hard race, maybe i'd consider him good.
>>724501564>zoomers use the AI summary unironicallyholy shit it's so over
>>724501564You're retarded. My guess was off by a factor of 10x but that's still more money than your entire lineage will ever earn. >league is so easy. why am I not earning a $6 million salary playing league? I'm too busy shitposting...
>>724475483>jordan>career manufacturedDumb ass zoomer, the GOATs pass the eye test so hard that only a retard could say such a thing. You could just go watch any Bulls game from Jordan's prime and shut the fuck up.
>>724501564>>724502132>ai overview
>>724490208>>724497010Has to beI was really impressed but also kind of bummed out that he never played any other games. He's so loyal to TF2 that it's probably destroyed his entire personal life multiple times, and his career besides. He could've been a much bigger streamer if he had hopped on the OW train.
>>724475483Not even a sportsfag, major leagues could die tomorrow and I'd clap, but sports occasionally have literal outlier gods that play them, michael jordan is one of them, same with mike phelps and babe ruth, they were just that good
>>724502870or based Hakuho who only retired a couple of years ago. He might be the most dominant athlete of all time in terms of how far below him everyone else was.
>>724464157With that prize pool he probably won because no one else was interested.
>>724462523>send 10 times the score of the second turbo autist for every single game>2nd probablty cheated tooBased charisma faggot
>>724490148>worse than sAviOr>worse than NaDa>worse than iloveoov>worse than boxerHe only started winning because the aforementioned either retired, got banned, or switched to WoL.Like wow, you beat jaedong and bisu... Then got dominated by JangBi the last two years of BW such a dominating performance...The real GOAT is obviously picrel
>>724462319Florryworry in EU4. The shit he can pull off...
>>724503682>The shit he can pull off...But not a one tag/faith/culture without abusing exploits.Why is that?
>>724463057>>it's one of the reasons Melee was so alluring back in the day, there being a whole five players who all competed for the #1 spot is practically unheard of in any competitive activityNot to shit on Melee but most fighting games have had few players that would dominate tournaments.For example, Leshar in SF6 has been stomping everyone. People even think he switched to Elena at Evo France against Blaz just to lose, reset the bracket and play more matches.>>724469161>he's only extremely dominant in Mortal Kombat (also Skullgirls iirc) which is a franchise that nobody takes seriously, any of the other fighting games with a larger populations he gets stomped.He seems to be doing good in 2XKO, but it's another degenerate tag game
>>724504132>Not to shit on Melee but most fighting games have had few players that would dominate tournaments.Have any other games had five near-equals battling it out all the time?
>>724462319The latter
>>724498260>prestigeThis is some impressive delusion, almost as bad as shmuptards and arcadeshitters
>>724489503They're pretty cool, looks fun
>>724503442Nobody seriously suggests fucking boxer is better than flash. Lots of people dominated at the game early by figuring things out before others could, and then got sidelined when mechanically better players came along and improved upon it. It's why players like Bisu are so legendary. Bisu both innovated AND stuck around, unlike the players you mentioned including savior.
>>724465486You realize that you saying this is the equivalent of claiming that mario power tennis is an American game?
>>724504348I know your retarded autistic ass is gonna get into some dumb semantics so actually I take it back, fuck melee
>>724505818assuming everyone is brown only damages your soul
>>724489120>PvP in a mainly single player game where you're invading people that aren't trying to compete at all, have more to lose than you, and might be on their very first playthrough with no PvP experience whatsoever>Even then, you're still specifically looking at videos he chose to upload rather than actual stats or tournament resultsI'm not trying to shit on the guy but this is incredibly unimpressive compared to someone dominating actual tournaments in a game full of people competing or even just high elo ranked in a game. Anybody whose decently high MMR in their respective game can easily shit on everybody if you throw them into matches with casual players and there's still plenty of players above them that can do it to them and players above those players that can do it to them and then pro players are still another world apart.
>>724505818NTA but why did you provide an example of a single player dominating, as if that supports your point?
>>724504132>He seems to be doing good in 2XKOIt's early days. He's always really good while everyone is figuring out the game, but plateaus out pretty quickly and gets overtaken by everybody else.
>>724462319There's a guy who is really good at arkanoid. Arkanoid is goddamned impossible but this guy gets it and nobody else does.
>>724463534>Mechanics>MobaLmao, even overwatch requires more mechanical skill than a moba
Do modern chess player that cheat at tournaments really do it using vibrating objects inserted inside their anuses?
>>724507128The player you're thinking of is jewish. He didn't HAVE to cheat that way, he simply preferred to.
>>724500885Because people pay to watch it
>>724489503Wow hes so tall anf handsome
>>724504127That's racist.
>>724492810>FT10 vs Daigo in SF4>Got destroyed 10-2kek
>>724507746Bobby Fischer status: vindicated
>>724508247The wise never doubted him.
>>724505063>Nobody seriously suggests fucking boxer is better than flash.Nigga is not comparable , both dominated in the game at different eras, both of them are GAWDLIEK
>>724462319Zfg with Ocarina of Time, probably
>>724489120Not even close. Chase is a content creator first and foremost. His videos are comprised of cherry-picked clips, and even if they weren't, he resorts to every single dirty trick in the book to win invasions. And not the fun kind of dirty trick, like kicking hosts off of cliffs; dirty tricks like hardswapping to Stormhawk Axe L2, rain of golem arrows, and limited consumables. He's good, but he's not that good. His shit is also clickbait, although that has nothing to do with his skill.The true 11/10 players are the freaks who dwell deep in the forgotten crevices of the arena, people like WaZeus (but most of them are nameless). There is no glory in FromSoft PvP, so it's only fitting that the best players within its little bubble are unknown weirdos.
>>724502959I had this thought as well, reading earlier posts. I mean, sport as a whole is impossible to circumscribe, but if I had to pick a singular GOAT among GOATs, it would be Hakuho. It's not just his results, it's that sumo is an individual sport AND a combat sport. To perform so dominantly, so consistently, over such a long period of time, in a sport where athletes are especially susceptible to injury, slumps, or simple bad luck is an immense feat.
>>724463862that makes the adaptability of video gamers all the more impressive
>>724463104>>724465057so how did he became mr aim the fps guy? best head game on twitch? tightest asshole mr clancy ever tried?
>>724513219It's a miracle run that I doubt will ever be equaled.
>>724498256I'm anonymous
>>724463642not only are fighting games scrubby, tekken is by far one of the scrubbiest fighting games
>>724500091Blueberry yogurt would be purple though
>>724490208didnt froyo start losing everything recently
He's was so good, I bet he could take on 3 guys at once.
>>724503248that was Todd Rogers, not Billy
>>724462523SPBP.
>>724463312You can clearly see his bloodstains in some of his videos.
>>724514747In a league match right?
>>724462523spbp
>>724500154Is it really cheating though? Sounds more like he tricked the guy into an unwinnable match, which is slightly different than plain cheating.
>>724510486Agreed, but if you had them play a 10 game series today, flash would win 10/10 games. He built off of what boxer innovated.
>>724464991The facial structure wasn't a dead giveaway? True autists (male) have a variation of down's face. It's impossible to miss once you start seeing it.
>>724463461>Flash BroodwarTook way too long for this answer to come up
>>724465968Mogged into irrelevance by Xecnar. Now THAT'S an autist with absolute supremacy. He literally holds every single individual character A20H streak WR and the rotating WR. The only one he doesn't have is life coach's meaningless watcher A20H record because he lost a watcher run in like the high 40s and watcher sucks so much to play even an autist doesn't want to grind out over 200 hours of nothing but watcher to try and get that record top. He's currently extending the defect WR. Previously it was like 22 or something and now he's pushed it all the way to like 29.Honestly, because of how big a game spire is (playerbase) and how many hours have been collectively sunk into it, Xecnar has a legitimate claim in this thread for most dominant player in any video game.Praise be to lifecoach though for mindraping jorbs the faggot. Life coach will always be goated for that saintly act.
>>724468602Big fish in a very small pond
>>724500154This is retarded. Gozaburu just has to stall and trade evenly against Mokuba until he beats Seto, then beat Mokuba now that he has no moves to copy.
>>724516501Oh wait nvm, they were both copying his moves.
>>724462319No. Game specific but they grow old. Like games of basketball and shit, unless it's chess, you grow too old to compete. Otherwise fighter players wouldn't lose their edge. Still good as hell? Sure, but once they hit 40 or god, 50, reflexes and shit will NOT be as good. Especially fighter players from stick and button slapping for 30 years.
>>724517639Zoomers are a failure of a generation so most millenials are still dominating in their 40s against literal 15-18 year old kids but this is NOT the norm. Gukesh is 18 and magnus is almost 40, in a really weird way i'm glad zoomers are dumb as fuck
>>724462319B4nny for TF2
>>724496202too based for this worldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NuBCU-wCSo
>>724462319Kneel
>>724519053Imagine playing this gay chink game kek
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Never played chess, is the 'skill' involved just having an autistic memory of every combination of moves?
is starcraft worth playing as a zoomer in 2025?
>>724519872Sort of,yeah, modern day chess is shitty like that.>>724520162Are you Korean or Euro? don't even bother if you are not, playing peruvians is a horrible experience. BW is like chess, the only people that keep playing these games are subhuman filth.
>>72446415783,000 in total prize money over 5 years. But also factor in the Tax Man hitting him 5 times too and he's probably barely made minimum wage lmao
>>724520652I am euro yesis latency really that relevant? of course it's not turn-based but are there that many realtime interactions with your opponent?
>>724519872It's like fighting games - the game is pretty fun casually if both players have a general idea of the game, but falls apart quickly when you start to get autistic with it.
>>724469293Yeah but nobody that's good at any other fighting games ever touches MK in the first place. He never has any competition.
>>724462428https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPhVqj4R4AA
>>724520652The fuck do you mean 'modern day chess'? Aren't the rules fucking 2000 years old?
>>724501271Elagatua mogs
>>724475483Retard who doesn't watch sports. Who's next? The big three of Tennis?
>>724522606There are extremely forcing lines that reach equality and there are real attempts at killing the game, E4 is not played anymore since most games reach equality or you end up in playing against computer lines in the sicilian. Chess used to be about learning the ideas and concepts of certain openings, nowadays is more about memorization and boring computer lines, we live in a world were the London is considered a aggressive opening I'm sorry if this means nothing to you
>>724481605Happy is unlucky he got good after the game died. But he's a prick so the world is lucky.
>Relevant e-sportsBWLoLCSThat is all. Everything else is a meme.
>>724464535To be fair he fell off because of a wrist injury he never really recovered from more than anything.
>>724522606It's a solved game, two autistics will literally just tie eachother until one of them forgets a move, there's zero strategy, it's 100% memorization.Modern chess has the competitive depth of Connect Four.
>>724519872At high level, yes. Chess is paradoxically more cerebral at the semi-casual level where players have to constantly parse unknown situations.
>>724523095>LoLlmao even, MOBAS will never be E-sport material
>>724523430TI and lol worlds are the biggest esports events what are you talking about lil bro
>>724462523/thread
>>724462319I'm pretty sure someone had the WR in all five of the Super Mario 64 speedrunning categories simultaneously. If it weren't for people cheating, someone would have had the WR on all of the tracks in Mario Kart 64 simultaneously. Those are pretty outrageous given how contested they are/were.
>>724501581It's a paint can. He has a wont of standing on things to make himself seem taller. It's really funny.
>>724523983It's some literal broccoli cut zoomer and yes he still holds all of the records. And by a pretty wide margin too.
>>724462523>wins 1 lawsuit out of 20>/v/ wants to suck his dick because it was against some youtuber
>>724523095Street Fighter.get upset all you want, it's the only FG that matters.
>>724462319SHiFT the BFBB runner.
chess is the only e-sport that matters>>724524416Dead Genre.
Why are chess players so mean? I swear this doesn’t happen in other games like Go. Everyone is so catty at all levels. Didn’t a famous player just get bullied into suicide by some geezer?
>>724524937Golfers are dicks too.
>>724524514Can’t believe this guy is still going. His streams are grim nowadays, I don’t know how he still makes enough money to keep going. Kind of a fascinating character, he really built a personal hell and trapped himself inside of it for nothing.
>>724524937>Why are chess players so mean?Because current day chess is only played by subhumans, you missed out, chess had a great community like...5-6 years ago. Now it's full of arabs, indians and south east asians.
>>724524414Pay up carl
>>724525109At least nowadays he mutes himself when he has a meltdown.
>>724513410botting his twitch. like lots of the streamers that made it biggish. just bot it til you make it then when you have a big enough audience you tone down the bots until you remove them completely. has happened so many times on that garbage site
>>724464436how come serral can't beat clem at all?
>>724462523
>>724525109He is 30 and lives in his mom's basement still so probably no living expenses
>>724524937>I swear this doesn’t happen in other games like GoChinese professional Go is pretty subhuman. Its the opposite of chess.>everything is extremely political and if you go against board politics you get banned>if you accuse the wrong person of cheating you get banned>go players keep getting groomed and raped by their coaches but arent allowed to speak outetcI think Go is more fun than Chess but I didn't grow up with it so its pretty hard to play well and I never played in any Go tournaments, unlike Chess, which I played in high school. I have like zero desire to play Chess any more, but Go is fascinating to me.
>>724527850Maybe China is pretty subhuman? Maybe India is subhuman? Maybe Russia is subhuman? it's not like the tabletop game for children is at fault.
lol LOL
>>724525109I remember watching his stream probably a decade ago after he was on a GDQ. Not even 5 minutes in and chat was talking about Costa Rica or something and he had no idea where it was or anything about it. This prompted him to go on a tirade about how being an American means he doesn't need to know anything about the world outside the US and how proud he is that he doesn't know that kinda stuff. He was also looking burnt out then I can't imagine him now
>>724527991I specifically singled out China, as most professional Go is Chinese. But like, if you've ever watched 3-gatsu no lion, which I repeatedly recommend here, a lot of the drama in that is based off real life people and that's about Shogi. So its just competition in general.This is sort of why I think culture in video games like Counterstrike are so interesting, because it has a very, very obvious hazing culture, and you just have to develop thick skin to play it. That's the game, to me, that feels the most like an actual sport. The FGC on the other hand is all snake oil salesman and bullies that try to push you into playing stupid shit and control you, and you have to learn to ignore them and forge your own path.
>>724462523>The part in King of Kong where he sends a tape of his high score and the reviewer sees that it has a weird jump in the score and just ignores itMan, that was a weird ass group of people that were in love with Billy
For me it's those two sexy sisters that also play chess
>>724474023>discrediting champions because of their physical appearanceliteral chimpanzee behaviour, do better. Im not even entirely sure what youre implying being so obsessed with SonixFox being a furrynigger anime champ as if that has any impact on anything else.top speedrunners are all white and trans so what now, if you play videogames youre a tranny?
>>724478313being good at vidya is impressive if you actually play videogames, so i can imagine why you feel like it isnt
