Caesar's Legion is the only solution, the only path to real prosperity.
>>724491493I find it very funny how most Legion fags don't even get what Caesar wants to do but support him anyways because "women bad", even though their bald hero doesn't actually agree.
>>724492935>you only like him because you think he thinks woman bad but he doesnt think that!why are soibois so mentally retarded?
Oh boy I can't wait to spend my life eating dirt for the guy who enslaved my entire village and turned my mother and sister into rape slaves.
>>724492935No, we understand what Caesar wants. If you were right then most Legion players would replace Caesar with Lanius.>>724493301The only people who get enslaved are backwards retarded tribals and enemy combatants. Enslavement is a gift for the tribal and profligate. Non-slave subjects of the Legion have a steady, reliable supply of clean food and water along with protection from raiders and gangs.
>>724493576>The only people who get enslaved are backwards retarded tribals and enemy combatants.Which is literally everyone who isn't part of Ceasar's inner circle, including every single person in the Mojave. Again, I think I'll pass.
>>724493885>Which is literally everyoneNope. Try actually reading what I wrote. Caesar* only enslaves retarded tribals, and enemy combatants.
>>724494118Look at what he did to Nipton. Imagine that happening to every settlement in the Mojave. That's what you're advocating for.
>>724493576>If you were right then most Legion players would replace Caesar with Lanius.If they understood Caesar's intentions and disagreed, yes, but most Legion fags actually believe he is just a Luddite sexist warlord who seeks to destroy the NCR because its "degenerate".
>>724494374wasn't everyone on nipton a corrupt asshole?
>>724494374Crucifying raiders, and executing degenerate prostitutes, pimps, and the people that pay for their services? Yes, I do want that. Nipton was a military target anyways to demoralize the NCR. The ending slides explain very clearly that Caesar enslaves the retards and peacefully lords over the rest of the Mojave. >>724494565No, they don't.
>>724494781I think the people who wear old football gear and worship a senile old man with brain cancer shouldn't be calling anyone "degenerate." Caesar's legion is basically just one giant group of tribals who wantonly murder people for violating their backwards beliefs.
fresh off the presses
>>724495151>Caesar's legion is basically just one giant group of tribals who wantonly murder people for violating their backwards beliefs.No, it's not. The Legion promotes discipline, unity, and order. The people they kill are pathetic sex addicted hedonistic fags.
>>724491493Any society built on slavery is effectively doomed. You will always need a large standing army to maintain control, a large army is a massive drain on resources without a war to fight, wars only make money if you can take land/plunder. Taking land = more slaves = more army. Eventually, you reach a point where you meet an army that cannot be easily conquered (the NCR), leading to internal economic downturn and instability. The legion was only as efficacious as it was because it engaged in a massive, rapid land grab, the wheels were already coming off in NV because of what I stated above.
Even IF you agree with what the legion stands for, you should recognize that Caesar is the one thing keeping them together and even without the cancer he's getting up there in age.There's no viable successor to Caesar who has the charisma or the smarts to keep the already-unstable legion together.As soon as Caesar dies, the legion will bumrush itself into some unwinnable conflict, fracture into three hundred rival factions and it's going to be tribal warfare all over again
NCR bros, your thoughts?
>>724495659A valid criticism. No society is built to last. If I get a society that can last as long as the Roman Empire did, I'm happy. So I don't really see anything wrong with this.>>724495674Retarded NCReddit argument. Caesar plans to dissolve the Legion, he wants a proper empire. Obviously if you kill Caesar before he takes the Dam the Legion will dissolve as you've foiled his plan and it doesn't matter at that point. You're a dipshit.
>>724495582Was Joshua Graham a "hedonistic fag?" Because he fell in line, did everything he was told to do, and still got fucked over for one failure. If you feel the need to attach yourself to an authority figure to give your life meaning, you could do a lot better than that hypocrite Caesar.
>>724491493I would die happy if that was the last thing I saw. Though I would pray that he'd at least let me suck him once before killing me.
>>724496010>still got fucked over for one failure.His "one failure" was a retarded fucking decision in that battle. The NCR retreated and he could have stayed behind to secure the Dam, and yet kept pushing and walked right into an obvious trap. Joshua Graham was literally never a good commander. Caesar also needed to make an example. Why are you assuming that you're going to be that high rank? You're too much of a zogbot to even be a high ranking member of the Legion. If you resist, you will be enslaved which is what you deserve, if you cooperate you will reap the benefits as a subject and later citizen of the Empire.>However, Graham underestimated the enemy while overestimating his own skill as a commander. Against the NCR, he deployed his legionaries in the usual fashion, treating the battle against the Republic like the conquests of the tribes of the east. The Rangers' leader, Chief Hanlon, anticipated this move and accurately predicted Graham's battle strategy, concocting a plan to draw the legionaries into a trap. As General Lee Oliver's soldiers held the Legion's front line at bay, Rangers and First Recon sharpshooters targeted their veteran commanders, sowing chaos among the Legion ranks. When the legate ordered his elite forces to punch through the enemy's defensive line, the sharpshooters made a tactical retreat into Boulder City. Elements of the Army and Rangers kept the Legion engaged long enough to allow the most experienced legionaries to enter the city. When they did, the Republic's forces pulled out as quickly as they could (soldiers and Rangers trapped behind Legion lines had to be abandoned), and then triggered a massive array of explosives packed into the buildings in advance.If you lose to a retard like General Oliver, you deserve to die.
>15 years in>Contrarian faggots still taking up Caesar's bannerYou'd think they'd get tired at some point. Whatever, I'm sure we'll still be having this argument on /v/ in October 2040
>>724495934>Engraved swords and decorated helmets14 years later and they seem to be doing well.
>>724496364>Joshua Graham was literally never a good commander.Wasn't he Caesar's second in command though? I thought he was instrumental in the early Legion's success. Also, no, I seriously doubt that complying with the Legion would result in anything less than enslavement. I'd rather die fighting than surrender myself and my family to a deranged dictator who might murder my entire village because his clitty was leaky that day. Prisoners in the NCR probably have a higher quality of life than the average Legion "citizen" lmao.
>>724494781If you aren't the embodiment of plot-armor, the Legion will try to backstab you and rape your women as soon as humanly possible.Nipton agreed to sell out the NCR there and were killed when the legion actually arrived. Khans who keep their alliance get all their women raped and men enslaved after the battle. Caesar probably wants to kill the Enclave Remnants who side with him but realizes it's basically impossible when they've got a vertibird; if he dies the Legion genuinely just tosses a few hundred men to their deaths trying to teamkill anyway. Yeah the Courier's fine but you just empowered a psued and his horde of tribal retards to take over.
>>724492935i dont care about legion but women are indeed badthe fact that women and men have the same stats prevents video games from being serious medium, no story can be considered decent if it cant get simple sexual dimorphism right
>old world was destroyed by warmongering quasi-fascists and communists going to war>we need to be even more warmongery and more fascist
>>724497281They fought over resources, just like the NCR
>>724495934i am not very hopeful, the fact that todd decided to pick new vegas instead of any of his games was suspicious enough, but now that i saw how he annihilated the ncr in such a way makes me scared about what could happen with the legion. this show is nothing more than todd having a hissy fit and killing everyone on new vegas because they mogged his shitty games once
>>724497053>Wasn't he Caesar's second in command though?Yes? And? He approached a nation-state with the same mentality as conquering a retarded tribe. Lanius is far superior to Graham in tactical and strategic prowess. >Prisoners in the NCR probably have a higher quality of life than the average Legion "citizen" lmao.Prisoners in the NCR get enslaved too and made to work on a chain gang build railroad. Subjects in the Legion have a higher quality life. >>724497071>Nipton agreed to sell out the NCR there and were killed when the legion actually arrived.Yes, that's good. Steyn was a corrupt, valueless faggot who betrayed the NCR first by selling out to the Powder Gangers, and then betraying both again when he agreed to turn them all over to the Legion. The Legion despises degenerates but the Legion also despises traitors and people who have no principles. >Khans who keep their alliance get all their women raped and men enslaved after the battle.Yes, their retarded mongolian biker gang culture gets annihilated as it should. They literally are the sole provider of drugs to the Fiends who have utterly defiled Outer Vegas with their filth. The Khans should be destroyed.>Caesar probably wants to kill the EnclaveGood. Enclave are literally glowies and Jews who survived the war.
>dude you should totally join the wannabe roman LARPers who carry rusty machetes into fights against trained soldiers with modern munitions! And they fuck each other in the ass!Yeah, no way fag
>>724497956>roman LARPers who carry rusty machetes into fights against trained soldiers with modern munitions
>>724497359There is Imperials in TES. Maybe Todd has a soft spot for them. But i wouldn't be surprised if they get the NCR treatment.
>>724498036Yeah but the Imperials in TES are not as hated by redditors as the Legion is.
>>724497608You just make the same assertions over and over again, demanding that others believe you even when you're shown to be wrong.
the fact that the NCR has a real industrial base capable of producing new things rather than being bound to scavenging the carcass of the Old World like a swarm of crows means they eventually win any war against the Legion. It's economically inevitable. Caesar brags about reading Hegel but if he'd read Marx too he'd know that his ideas are doomed
You know what's sad? The only reason the Legion will be in Fallout 76 and Fallout Show is because they need punching bags
>>724498340>when you're shown to be wrong.Nobody has actually done this at all. >>724498442This sounds true on the surface, but the NCR needs the Dam to survive. That's literally the whole point of New Vegas. All these groups need the Dam to survive and if one gets it all the others perish. When the Legion takes the Dam, the NCR will starve, when the NCR starves their men will mutiny. The NCR will suffer a civil war before Caesar even gets around to invading them. >Back west, you don't see too many of these. Lakes, I mean. Natural or man-made. Any kind, really. We neglected the dams or pumped all the water out a long time ago. Owens, Isabella, the San Luis. Drained the aquifers of everything they had.
>>724494575the mayor and other figureheads of the town were but not the ordinary citizens. >>724496364This isn't so much that Graham was stupid as Hanlon and Lee were fucking tactical geniuses>>724497053Graham was second in command and after the defeat Ceasar needed a scapegoat or his army would've rebelled against him and Graham was the perfect fall guy at the time.
>>724498442Tech and superior arms didn't save the BOS or Enclave, it would be poetic for the NCR to get destroyed by a primitive society.But that didn't happen. Hank destroyed it.
>>724498624>Hanlon and Lee were fucking tactical geniusesHanlon is the smartest, but Lee is consistently shown to be retarded. So I don't know why you said this. Actually read the quote I posted, Graham overestimated himself, and underestimated the enemy, and approached the battle like he was conquering any other primitive tribe. That is not smart, that is retarded.
The Legion feels so out of place in a developing post apocalyptic world like Fallout. Shits still not great but some semblance of society has returned for most people. The Legion would fit better right when the apocalypse started and society was non existent. I think there was a passage in The Road about a legionary type gang traveling down the highway iirc
>>724498727Neither of those had anywhere close to the population of the NCR.Meanwhile the Legion and the NCR are roughly equal in population.The legion can only win in this niche border conflict far away from the NCR mainland.
>>724497608It sounds a whole lot like the Legion will just invent a reason to kill you and rape your wife whether you submit or not, and can only be dissuaded from this if you're strong enough to force them back or too far away to conquer immediately.By the way, how do you square "prostitution is degenerate" and "women are property and can be handed out for morale purposes"?
>>724491493NCR female soldiers get when they see Legion bvlls approaching from the distance
>>724498727>>724498865>>724498442Why do NCR shills unironically think the Legion only uses machetes? Did you even play the game? They use anti-materiel rifles and guns just like the NCR. The Legion treats guns as a privilege that must be earned, not a given like the NCR does.
>>724498983>Legion literally cannot arm all their soldiers>T-THIS IS A GOOD THING!Lmao, legion niggers really are retarded
>>724498902>It sounds a whole lot like the Legion will just invent a reason to kill youNo? They assimilate when they can, and exterminate the unsalvageable groups like the Fiends. You have no arguments, just constant sperging like a retard.>By the way, how do you square "prostitution is degenerate" and "women are property and can be handed out for morale purposes"?Because women should be property to their husbands. Prostitution does not involve marriage. A prostitute will be passed through by a hundred men.
>>724498727the BoS failed because they refuse to use the tech they hoard for anything productive. They lay claim to anything more complex than irl modern tech but consider it heretical to actually produce anything new. The BoS COULD HAVE been the premier faction on the west coast, but they squandered it because they were too insular and backward looking to capitalize on their position. Same with the Enclave, they produced some new things, but they mostly just spent 150 years posting "total mutie death" on OilChan until they started picking an actual fight and got their shit rocked>>724498983>They use anti-materiel rifles and guns just like the NCR. pillaged from ruins and not manufactured, every loss is gone forever>The Legion treats guns as a privilege that must be earnedbecause they don't have a manufacturing base to replace them
>>724499094They literally can and do arm their men with guns. Every legionary in game carries a rifle except the lowest rank scrubs.
>>724499217Yes they scavenge a lot of their guns, they're self-sufficient in that way. But Caesar wants to build an empire and this implies creating a manufacturing base. If you think the Legion, empowered after taking the Dam, made stronger through taking Vegas and all the slaves there, cannot take on a weakened, NCR going through a famine and mutiny, you're a retard.
>>724498614>Caesar's Legion is the only solution, the only path to real prosperity.Anyone who falls under the Legion's control (aside from Caesar himself of course) is denied access to life saving medicine because it's "evil">The only people who get enslaved are backwards retarded tribals and enemy combatants.Except all those groups who complied with the Legion and were stabbed in the back anyways, including Joshua Graham >Y-yeah but all those people deserved to die! And Joshua Graham was STUPIDGee, wasn't Joshua Graham Caesar's right hand man who was responsible for the Legion's early success?>NO NO NO HE WAS A RETARD BECAUSE HE LOST ONE BATTLE AND BECAUSE CAESAR SAID SO!!!Rinse and repeat.
>>724491493Would
>>724499295>They literally do!>But they don't.Bro is on some double think level mental gymnastics. The NCR would have wiped the floor with them if they didn't have a ghost garrison stationed in hoover dam.The legion already lost once. They got fucked by some unprepared garrison and then at the sit on the other side of the river for five full years to gather strength while the NCR continued to do fuck all just to have another chance.The legion is weak, and in game evidece shows it. Now post some cope about how this isn't true. It won't matter because it's headcannon BS.
>>724491493Plus the gay sex in the barracks is bees knees because of the forbidden fruit allure
>>724499094They can arm them with a spear and they will go to war, they require less resources. Now it looks like they are forging their own swords and armor, which is a nice touch. People seem to forget about melee builds.
>>724499437>denied access to life saving medicine because it's "evil"Yes I do think dysgenic people should die. Eugenics is good. The Legion lacks the manufacturing base to produce pre-war medicine, so does most people including the NCR.>Oh, you know. Finding alternative treatments for common illnesses and injuries. Stimpaks out of barrel cacti and other fantastic improbabilities. Eventually, we'll run out of hospitals to loot. We need new ways to produce those supplies. Or maybe old ways, if this research goes anywhere. >Except all those groups who complied with the Legion and were stabbed in the back anywaysName a single group.>including Joshua GrahamKilling one incompetent commander to maintain stability is good, actually. Stability at all costs. Seethe.>>724499517They do. Most legionaries are not recruits. So yes, most legionaries are equipped with rifles after proving themselves in combat. But I see you're just farming (You)s like all the other trannies on this site.
>>724499517Look at the territory West of the Colorado river, all of this territory was taken by a Legion force which was outnumbered by the NCR defenders and had worse equipment and less firepower, now please tell me how the Legion is weak?
>>724499517>They got fucked by some unprepared garrisonNo they didn't you dumbass they ALMOST lost if it weren't for the Ranger reinforcements.
>>724493301If you had qualms about that Caesar would just kill youwhat Caesar does is turn blithering savages into cogs for a machinea machine that doesn't do nice things but a machine that works rather low maintenancelyI don't actually buy that Caesar's Legion would fall apart without him - yes there would be infighting because said retards who fear Caesar would go back to being indiscriminate savages immediately, but I think the forces who understand Caesar's views would win out because they actually have the capacity to organize
>>724499782They're weak because... uhh... they prioritize discipline.. and uhh.. kill off the dysgenic members of their society and have dug down and prioritized self-sufficiency and low consumption to maintain their conquests.... thats weak behavior!
>>724499630Melee builds are purely gameplay stuff that's not really supposed to slot in with the story / lore side of the game. The legate cannot canonically tank an anti-material rifle headshot.>>724499782Once again. Ghost garrison. The NCR isn't putting its all into this war because it's about some border territory where they're not even wanted. The moment the Legion steps foot in real NCR territory and touches anything the NCR elite really care about they're done for.>>724499937Yeah a handful for randos showed up and demolished the might of the entire legion so hard that they had to seethe on the other side of the river for years.
>>724500074>some border territoryThe NCR literally needs the Dam to survive. The elite politicians are too zogged with Brahmin Barons to understand the necessity of the Dam, which is why they haven't push hard for it like they should. This will be their downfall and it's literally what Caesar calls out. They're cucked by businessmen who are a detriment to the nation, just like today with capitalism. Without the Dam, the NCR will go through a famine and starve to death all the while the Legion will be building up even more strength, settling down, establishing a manufacturing base, and training even more soldiers all the while infiltrating the NCR with even more Frumentarii.
Do authoritarians just crave the father figure they never had? I get wanting to have that power, but wanting someone else to have it over you is so dumb.
>>724500256As an NCRchad I give my wife all the money I earn and the keys to my car, I sometimes see her driving a big man with a roman helmet on, strange...
>>724500483Instead you give the rights of your life and your wife to a single dude who could get dementia or whatever at any time. Besides I never said I like the NCR.
>>724500249lol noThe NCR held the dam a total of 3 years before the legion came and 5 more years after that. The NCR has existed for nearly a hundred years at that point. They don't need this one dam they've only really used for 8 years at a maximum but likely even less time to survive.
>>724498862There are tribal societies today, anon. Not everywhere would develop at the same rate.And the Legion is kinda like some NGO worker using his more advanced knowledge to become the God Emperor of an African tribe, so it couldn't really exist in the way you're proposing.
>>724500074Lanius knows and admits the rangers cause him the most trouble, that's why he uses the Howitzer to clear out the snipers. Point being they're not averse to tech if the ends justify the means.
>NCR: lesbians and faggots in the military and civilian populations>Legion: every Legion soldier is forced to have a wife and kidsWow I wonder which side will win
>>724500623>Back west, you don't see too many of these. Lakes, I mean. Natural or man-made. Any kind, really. We neglected the dams or pumped all the water out a long time ago. Owens, Isabella, the San Luis. Drained the aquifers of everything they had. >Not yet. But our government understands the value of proactive thought. Our studies project an imbalance between production and consumption. Or, for a layman such as yourself - not enough food, too many mouths to feed. Mass starvation. In a decade or so.Try playing the game before participating in debates, retard.
>>724500760Lmao that reminds me that the legion are literally forced to have kids because they're so gay that they wouldn't otherwise (this is actual lore look it up).Legion army having more gays in them than the NCR is literally cannon.
>>724500879The Legion is forced to have kids to boost the population you dumb retard.
>>724500864That man won the first battle of the hoover dam btw
Even Caesar was aware that shits gonna go belly up when he dies and he needs to synthesize with the NCR soon
>>724500879>when I'm in a projection competition and my opponent is a homosexual NCR fagThe NCR project their homosexuality on the Legion throughout the game
>>724499768>Yes I do think dysgenic people should die.Including Caesar, who orders you to dig up an auto-doc for his personal use? >Name a single group.>>724497071You've already had this explained to you. You must have the memory of a house fly. >>>724499768>Killing one incompetent commander to maintain stability is good, actually. Stability at all costs. Seethe.That "incompetent commander" is the only reason the Legion didn't implode in its early years, and he's sure as shit better than Lanius, who can be convinced to pack up and head home by the courier.
>>724501009Lanius is the second in command and we don't know his fate. Caesar dies without help before the second battle.
>>724500256Personally I think it comes from having an abusive father and never being able to reconcile with it. They seek out abusive tyrants who whip them like dogs because it's the only kind of love they've ever known.
The dude in the teaser was wearing a copy of the legates armor. Maybe Lanius is still in control.
Maybe the [100 speech] check was the canon ending
Does anyone else here kill Cass in every run? I wish you could sell her into slavery desu
>>724501185>doesnt know what dysgenic meansCaesar is the brains and needs to survive. >You don't get it, do you? The weapons I wield are forged from blood, flesh, sinew, bone - mortal stuff. Fragile, even. And yet my Legion obeys me, even unto death. Why? Because they live to serve the greater good, and they know of no alternatives. House's machines, his technologies - what do they propose? The possibility of victory without sacrifice. No blood spilled, just... rivets. That's not an idea to be put in circulation. If mankind's going to survive this moment in history, it needs warriors, not gadgets.Your individualistic thinking is retarded, I'm thinking of the broader collective. Man must relearn how to rely on nature and himself, not fancy gadgets that dull our senses and enslave us. We're already seeing the consequences of this now. The Industrial Revolution and its consequences yada yada. >he's sure as shit better than LaniusNo he's not, lmao. Lanius approaches the Dam with a way more intelligent strategy and is why the Legion is destined to win with no MC interference. >who can be convinced to pack up and head home by the courier.Yes, which breaks from the myth that was told to you that Lanius is a mindless brute. He's actually quite intelligent and recognizes a losing battle when he sees one. He retreats with his life intact so he can stabilize what territory he has left and prepare for another counter-attack.
>>724498451Just like F:NV
>>724500760>the enemy is degenerate so they'll looseGee, I wonder where I've heard this before...
>>724501887Isn't the fact that Caesar's brain developed cancer proof that he's dysgenic though? He was judged unfit for life by nature and cursed with terminal brain cancer, which probably festered for years before it was diagnosed. Maybe that's why he acts like a megalomaniacal screwball: because his brain is all fucked up from the cancer. Hell, for all we know it's hereditary and now all those rape babies he made will have it too. Oh, but of course, it's Caesar we're talking about so we're not allowed to hold him to the same standards.
>>724491493sorry anon but the BoS is going to rule the entire wasteland soon enough after they defeat the Legion once and for all in the show
>>724502518Nta. Maybe if he has children and they develop a lot of cancers each it wouldean his genes were bad.I read a case about some dysgenic ADHD ridden freak that lied about being a acomplished stem genius and sold his sperm to sperm banks, 90% of the poor mothers who used his sperm got children with severe autism, screaming all day and banging their heads type shit.you are NOT going to sit there and tell me everyone's DNA is just as valuable as everyone elses
>>724503532Really
>>724503857realy
>>724504332woaw
>>724503532>poor mothersLOL no. Could have settled down with some guy and have a family but wanted Chad's kid instead. They got what they deserved.
>>724503532Cool. What does this have to do with Caesar being a genetic failure with brain cancer though? Yeah sure he's not a drooling retard but he very clearly has some kind of mental derangement if he thinks he's a god-king because he read Hegel once. If he's going to advocate for eugenics he could at least be consistent, instead of bending his own rules to save his own sorry ass when it benefits him.
>>724497192Morrowind gives women different stats.
>>724504673cancers are pretty random.if we successfully run a eugenics program long enough that sub 100IQ (relatively to now) becomes extinct maybe we should tackle genetic predisposition to rare cancers next, but how would you? if it's so rare a person with bad genes could spread it for many generations before one grandkid gets it.
>>724493576Aren't the first slaves you meet in the game Aerotech Office Park citizens?
>>724491493>a bunch of homo chuds>>724492935Caesar was dying of a brain tumor or some shit anyway, I don't think he had much say in the matter around the time Courier gets involved
>>724495189https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGusAJYHcjo
>>724505606If we're going to be eugenicists we should go all the way. Find the top .01% of humanity and make it so that nobody but them has the ability to reproduce. Anything less than that is just special pleading.
>>724506157Why should we make the top 0.1% do the shitty jobs? We should breed cattle, normies, to do the shitty manual labor jobs and fight our wars. Keep them from mixing with the 0.1%
>entire faction based around sucking the cock of some pseud who’s less intelligent than a mole rat
>>724497281>>724497353ok but what if like i have a lot of robots and shit wouldnt that be sick
>>724506264We should dump all our eugenics points into manufacturing a race of albino tech wizards capable of creating the technology necessary to fully industrialize the planet with robot workers. Then there will be no need for cattle.
>>724491493Outside of chudtopia what even was Caesar's plan?>conquer the NCR>take their stuff>do the same shit they were doing but better and more LARPyGive me House anyday.
>>724506829He wanted to end corruption and democracy
>>724506792Oh, and make them all asexual to decrease the chances of a bad pairing caused by lust.
>>724499989>dysgenicpost disregarded
>yo can i kill caesar?>no he keeps NCR weak & my business alive>*kills caesar*>um actually he wasn't that important anywayWhat the fuck was his problem?
>>724506829He thought that the Legion would eventually "synthesize" with the rest of the world after they took control. He had no way of knowing this would happen outside of the speculation of Hegel. Personally I think it was the brain cancer whispering in his ear.
>>724506759thanks snopes
It would be better if humanity stopped chasing the future of the past. The legion offers a reset to the iron age.>>724507249>He had no way of knowing this would happen outside of the speculation of HegelHe put the theory to the test when he assimilated 87 tribes. The NCR wouldn't be any different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVh7uB3lPfc
>>724495934>>724497005I can't say I have any hope for this show but if they have the balls to make the Legion reasonable/likeable Ill give it a watch.
>>724495659Every civilized society has had slavery for 99% of history and we only think it’s le bad now because proto-libtards in the 1800’s trooned out and made it everyone else’s problem.
>>724496978doesn't make the legion fans not poseurs
>>724495934That the soft retcon has turned the NCR&legion in to your average raider gang that you can kill in fallout 5.
>>724508089Those are some nice helmets, they are a step above raiders
>>724497281>>724506361Was the Legion even that pro-technology? At least House would bring back pre-war style cool shit to the world, the most the Legion seems capable of doing is salvage. NCR isn't exactly filled with Jimmy Neutrons, neither.
>>724498906>female soldiers??? They just kill women and imprison the men to become femboy slaves
>>724505320>redguard>low intelligence and willpower>high enduranceBased Todd
>>724506829>install yourself as NCR's dictator for life>merge your Legion with what remains of the Republic's army>pick a successor before kicking the bucketHe's trying to save the Nation from the corrupt oligarchs and senators, just like his namesake. The Legion's chud culture is just a series of pragmatic decisions to make a better war machine. Slavery and treating women like cattle aren't meant to be permanent.
>NCR gives you a shitty medal and sends you on your way>Legion gives you a coin and sends you on your way>House keeps you as an elite enforcer with an luxury condo with actually working amenities >Yesman is the same but everywhere outside Vegas is an anarchic shitholeAnyone who picks NCR or Vegas is really dumb.
>>724509496NCR or Legion over Vegas*
House > Legion > Independent > shit >>>>>>>>>>> NCR
>>724509732Veronica would not agree with you, anon.
>>724510023That's fine, she's allowed to be wrong.
>>724495934excerpt from an interview with the director of the tv series>From the beginning, it seemed very clear that Todd had... In truth, my favorite collaborators to adapt from are dead people because they don't argue. Todd is very much alive, but had that great, great confidence of someone who has created a world, [and] allowed in some cases – New Vegas is an example – other people to sort of create within that world."
>>724495934oh god no what cringe bullshit are they gonna do to the legion ?maga allegory ?incel ?white supremacist ?cucks ?probably all above.....
>>724510227You forgot gay
I just find funny how butthurt Bethesda got with the NCR and New Vegas "ruining" the theme park philosophy they build. They destroyed both for no reason in lore outside giving people the middle finger and keeping the so called status quo of "everybody living in absolute shit" they want to push.
>>724510317Buts that's canon
>>724509496>>724509578what If I like shiny golden coins?
>>724510113>I wish Todd was dead, but i'm grateful he allowed me to work with the IPWhat is so controversial about that?
>>724511242uuuuuuuh I thought they mercy kill little girls
Observe.Caesar would have voted for trump
>>724511685He doesn't believe in voting
>>724491493>globalism:I>globalism (Rome):O
>>724509496>Legion gives you a coinThe Legion currency only has Caesar's face on it, and then Caesar mints a new coin with your face on it. Likely setting you up to be his heir. Yes I'd pick Legion so I can become emperor of Chudtopia.
>>724511685immigrants are basically slaves
The NCR is just gay. I'm sorry, they're lame.
>>724511910lol it's not even that. It's just a bunch of disciplined raiders that's all. Better that the Khans only in the sense that they're stronger, and don't deal drugs.
>>724510227>>724510317I can see an anti-vax throwaway joke too>Followers create a new vaccine and offer it to the Legion>"Back off with your "medicine", profligate! Caesar told us to not accept these curses disguised as blessings.">scene cuts to a bunch of dead LegionariesThis is going to be so awful.
>>724491493They're literally the only form of civilisation in the West Coast now after Bethesda nuked the NCR out of existence.
The only people mad about the show are the ones foolish enough to have hope.
>Todd Ghoulified and has probably fucked over the Kings>NCR ‘remnants’ the other showrunners talked about after Season 1 probably don’t exist as far as he’s concerned>Has almost certainly fucked over the Legion and never understood what they represented in NVWhat >>724497359 said is basically it. Given Todd never spoke of the original games or NV until the show and is still seething to this day that NV mogged F4 and Starfield bombed, he is to Fallout what Kathleen Kennedy was to Star Wars. Now the only part of the show I’m even semi-interested in is the Vault 33 stuff.
>>724513519Why do you think Todd is personally calling the shots? You do realize no one from Bethesda is involved in the making of the show right? Not even Emil. And I don't even think Todd gives a shit, he's just after the money. Emil certainly seethes about New Vegas though I'll give you that.
>>724513519Fallout 5 won't be out until the 2030's and it is guaranteed to be ass. You can laugh or you can cry but this is it.
>>724491493imagine all the gay sex happening at caesars camp, i bet lanius fucks hard
>>724511685Sallow didn't seem to hold political views before meeting the Blackfoot so his Legion project is more of a messiah complex than anything.He probably would be apolitical IRL.
>>724514594He clearly expresses disdain for tribal culture so he most definitely would be against mass immigration of inferior cultures.
>>724491493It's true. By far, the most important thing for long term stability is obliterating dumb tribal identities and unifying everyone. Every single country with a real history has done this, it's the largest common factor in any successful nation's history, it's the only reason almost any nation of note even got started. If dumbasses are killing, robbing, and terrorizing other dumbasses just for living two blocks down (i.e. Great Khans vs Boomers vs Powder Gangers killing each other ad nauseum for generations), nothing productive will happen long-term, Caesar's methods are obviously brutal, but effective (note that some guys like Lucius and others will still talk about what tribe they were from, but that's probably more for worldbuilding and dialogue interest rather than how they'd actually act and think, to be consistent with the ideology that'd probably be punished). House obviously has the technological advantage but he doesn't give a shit about restoring the nation, just his little petty kingdom of New Vegas, and he's not as smart as he thinks he is - the fact that his plans rely on the Courier acting as he expects proves it (even if how you act isn't in your own best interest - dialogue confirms he just can't fathom you choosing anything other than the role he envisions for you). And NCR is just a bloated mess already, when your frontline troops are all bitching and demoralized that doesn't inspire confidence, but that might just again be for the aesthetic or superficial "NCR = shittiest aspects of OId World America" Vietnam War type of trope.
>>724509732I can save her with my penis.
>>724511242Good. Fuck those autocrat LARPing faggots
>>724514287Given what 4 and 76 turned out to be I know it will be ass. I just still cannot believe Bethesda dedicated 7-ish years to making Starfield only for it to turn out the way it did when their games used to have a 3 to 4 year turnaround
i miss real rpgs
>>724518273>Bad game design>Bad writing>Bad art directionModern Bethesda is just bad. I don't think it can be saved without replacing most of the staff.
>>724510227>MAGA allegory
>>724518892Lock Emil Pagliarulo in a cage somewhere and throw away the key. Fire Todd Howard. Then there would be hope again. There are some people working at Bethesda that do have good ideas and we can see those ideas bleed through in their games, their voices are just being silenced by Emil and Todd's retardation.
>>724499094And yet the NCR are still on the backfoot and can't win without the player (plot armor) saving them. Curious…
>>724499517>The legion is weak, and in game evidece shows it. Now post some cope about how this isn't true. It won't matter because it's headcannon BS.How about the fact that the NCR is extinct under canon but the legion lives on? :3
>>724519280>>724518892There isn't a single millennial alive capable of making a good game.
>>724495934Straight up nasty frog pussy gangbang, the BoS dude is going to be raising a LEGION baby
>>724497608>nipton's leadership going back on their word and selling people out is BAD>the legion sending a spy who lies to them constantly about the true nature of the legion so they can enslave the khans GOODif you're fine with hypocrisy I get it, but don't pretend like the legion is not doing underhanded shit and fucking people over whenever it's convenientit isn't about morality, the khans have something to offer so they will be assimilated; the people of nipton were weak and untrustworthy so they were deemed more useful as a show of force and intimidation tacticcaesar uses things like philosophy and ideals to control everyone under him into expanding their empire to swallow up the things that he's actually seeking: men, steel, food and landthe ideological nature of the legion is not only superfluous, it holds no sway over their actions as a tribe
>>724491493sexy owo
the legion will be BoS punching bagsi've accepted it already, but at least we outlasted the NCR
>>724519906Yeah I stopped reading after you strawmanned and started sperging. I never said the Legion doesn't use underhanded tactics, there is nothing wrong with that. There is a difference between lying to some dumb whore and selling out your own people just to make a buck. You're a retard. Enjoy the (You)
>>724497359Todd hates New Vegas so I'm willing to bet that the second season of the show is his chance to make New Vegas soft canon like Tactics is. Essentially relegating its events to a malleable state just for the excuse to never remaster the game.
>>724511910globalism is based when it's not spreading globohomo
>>724511685no
dead money is fun_
>>724513068where do the legion get all the outfits for their troops?
>>724526743Initial sports surplus, then they started making their own armor which wouldn't be hard since it's just padding combined with Brahmin leather. Wish the legion rocked out with shitty pig iron armor though. Samurai style.
>>724526743Former high schools and colleges.
>>724499965>I don't actually buy that Caesar's Legion would fall apart without himRome itself had a civil war after Caesar was assassinated
>>72451022730% gay, 60% Incel, 10% WHITE MALE. Season will end with them all dying to a female slave uprising or to something even dumber, anything, so long as they are humiliated.
>>724522569>>724510467I have yet to see any concrete evidence that Todd hates NV. If anything, I would buy Emil hating it before Todd.
>>724519639There are, they're just not working in the AAA industry. For a franchise like fallout you need that special kind of obsessive autism that wants to create a world and see it brought to life in as much detail as possible, and a team of people ready to support that goal while helping shape it into a functional and fun end product. Neither of which can't be found in the modern AAA talent pool.
>Caesar is a post-modernist Hegel-cuck>dude still has post-enlightenment liberal presuppositions>wants to synthesize a totalitarian communist regime with the capitalist NCR to try national socialism again>claims it's a new way forward
>>724530936You have to look at it from who is doing what in the show and who gains from it. Are Todd and Emil involved? What say do they have and how does that effect the show? Now the people behind the show have a very obvious ignorance of the setting and a lot of the choices and retcons seem clumsily precise. Think of it like say you have someone make a cake for a wedding but the baker you hire is shit at their job but you micromanage a few specific things in. It gets done poorly but you still got what you wanted. This is what the show is like, done poorly but since they got what they wanted that means that are not unhappy with the overall result. Now you might ask what do they get out of this? That is simple, it makes their jobs easier. Unlike TES where most of the fans came from Skyrim, Fallout has a more even split due to New Vegas reviving interest in the west coast games. Which in turn means there is a demand for the same quality that those games had which goes against how Bethesda does things. In the current day they make trash for consumers that want to wander around an open world and tell themselves they are serious gamers. So anything that may compromise that is a threat to them. The show functions as a tool to show the idiots their version of Fallout is the only one and remove anything to the contrary. That means destroying the NCR, retconning shit, and taking apart anything that gave it its own identity and making it generic and bland whacky wasteland fun time™ shit. Its the same shit that happened with Oblivion where it went from a vast jungle to fucking LoTR magic forest shit.
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>>724532506Are the black flags secret police?
>>724498442>if he'd read Marx too he'd know that his ideas are doomedOnly thing he would realize from reading marx is that marx was just a big idiot that liked to fiddle with kids too much
>>724491493The Legion's entire philosophy is built on the idea that might makes right, so really if a crazed mailman wants to murder them for cheevos its their fault for being pussies.Why even waste your breath misquoting Hegel at me when you've already established that you're just Fiends with an ego?
>>724510227The Legion are basically a MAGA allegory before Trump even ran for president. A cult of personality built around a singular figure, Cesar, which is terribly unstable and will collapse the moment he's no longer alive. Trump however doesn't harbor any deeper purpose or ideological belief beyond being a boomer who believes whatever BS he reads on facebook or overhears from his other boomer friends. Cesar's Legion holds no foundation in the same way that there's people out there who unironically support the Legion and love Joshua Graham, and cannot for the life of them realize their worldview is entirely incompatible with itself beyond the fact that the individual understands nothing about the things they worship. The big twist for the Fallout TV show is that it isn't anti-capitalist, it's yet another anti-fascist show. The Enclave will be Vault-Tec and will have been the ones who nuked the NCR at Shady Sands. The fascism allegory destroyed America because it was different to the world they wanted to preserve. The Enclave, the NCR, and The Legion are all hellbent on preserving the past with a corrupted version of it being their flag. I presume they'll say the Courier went an independent / House playthrough.
>>724537920>CesarHola amigo. ICE viene por ti.
>>724537920This is why you can’t expect anything good from the show. It’s because there are retards that will say shit like this as if a cult of personality is somehow exclusive to Trump and don’t know the lore. Hey retard Graham isn’t with the Legion at that point. They covered him in pitch and threw him into the Grand Canyon. Fuck off with your braindead idpol shit.
slavery is bad
Legion fanboys when they get their first sepsis after a battle
>>724491493True to Gaysur
>>724493576>Enslavement is a gift for the tribal and profligateYeah, that's why they have to beat them and make them wear bomb collars.
Why the fuck did you remove the NCR you worthless liar that is like removing the thalmor or the fucking stormcloacksyou fucking worthless manlet I am happy I pirate all your garbage and SEED IT.
>>724496978Arroyo was explicitly a reference to a retarded book from the 1940s, and they still talked like modern Californians. The NCR is an idealised version of Californians, while Vault City is a realistic version.
>>724494781>Nipton was a military target anyways to demoralize the NCR.Literally only one guy gives a damn about that crappy town of cowards. Any retard can kill civilians. Israel's spergout is pathetic.
>>724497608Prisoners have rights and get paid a (crap) wage. Slaves don't.
>>724495934>legion wonLame. It would have been kino if they made Ulysses nuking the fuck out of New Vegas canon.
>>724496002The Roman empire only lasted as long as it did because it did things other than conquering other countries. The Legion only imitates the aesthetics. Caesar thinks that Vegas (where the only thing of note is House's tech) will be his new Rome.
>>724508001The global economy relied on slavery because there was no better alternative, and they still started regulating it and gradually phasing it out long before the industrial revolution provided a much better alternative.
>>72449593476 and the TV show suck anyway.
>>724498025>Hard-to-defend solar power station is hard to defend
I don't understand why in 200 years people are still camping in destroyed and crumbling piece of shit buildings and using destroyed furniture even in the more "civilized" areas rather than building their own shit or at the least fixing shit up slightly. I get they wouldn't be able to make a skyscraper or something but they really haven't fucking reverse engineered spackle in that time frame?
>>724542406It doesn't make sense in-game but it makes sense from the dev's point of view. You're playing Fallout to play a post-apocaylptic game. Burned out houses and silly things like Novac constantly reinforce that and remind you of the world that was. If everyone was living in cement slab buildings or adobes, you wouldn't get that same feeling. Really, the problem is that now the timeline is so hugely far away from the war.
>>724494374Yes. And? Nipton was a town of literal whores. It was a den of prostitution and pimps.
>>724542406>building their own shityeah bro, LEEEEEETSSSSSS just build a damn. Like, ELMAYO, how hard that could be? Let's also have our labor force be a bunch of tribals that never saved books/files on damn construction, metallurgy, material proprieties, material extraction and processing, etc.
>>724491493I side with Caesar's Legion because I prefer absolute monarchy to democracy
>>724508263anon the world got nuked due to the technofetishism did you really not understand a basic theme of the game
>>724547182the world got nuked becuase every thing was already so fucked. but trump said to start test nukes again so 77 might come sooner
>>724515472>it's the largest common factor in any successful nation's historySuccessful how? Creating a society of morribund decadence who do nothing but hound after pleasure and comfort?
>>724537619>The Legion's entire philosophy is built on the idea that might makes rightDid you sleep through Caesar's monologue or are you just retarded?
>>72454240699% of the Mojave got spared from the nukes so buildings only need simple repairs.Pic rel is a 200 Year old abandoned mansion. Looks pretty salvageable to me, desu.
>>724498786I dunno why I said that too cause I immediately regretted it but not enough to clarify myself. I more meant that Lee despite being dumb and just there, managed to fire his neurons right in a one in a million chance to make it big, sort of like how a musician can make a one hit wonder but tripe the rest of his career. And I don't think Graham overestimated himself, he did what was working for him, his strategies up until that point had led him to victory time and time again but Hanlon saw through it.
The legion is the only redpilled choiceTotal NCR DeathTotal House DeathTotal Raider DeathTotal Followers of Onions DeathTotal Redditard Death
>>724493576>the only people who get enslaved are people who dont want to get enslavedis this genuinely the type of bottom of the barrel retard-bait justification that people who support he legion slop up? Do legion supporters think they can just walk up and ask to join the legion without turning in their entire community? Do they just RP that they were born into the legion and didnt have to lose their entire lives to dress up in sports gear and be given a sharp stick?
>>724557995Legion was right about everything cuck. Cope and seethe
>>724495934So tell me, is it going to be a "capitalism bad" show now?
>>724494565Based
>>724492935I know exactly what Caesar wants and he is 100% correct
>>724558620>now
>>724498025Never sits right with me. 4 paladins should be worth 100 hundred men even without laser rifles.
>>724498862If you play fallout 1 legion fits better than the institute.
>>724563164It’s meant to show what an overextended dysfunctional clusterfuck the NCR has become. It’s drowning in corruption and inefficiency. Veronica outright says "Ordinary guys with knives and bullets, and they're taking over Nevada.". Have you noticed how many quests there are where the NCR soldiers are doing something shady? The legion is winning because it’s doesn’t have these problems. It’s brutally efficient and the only thing it cares about is results.
>>724493576I think the best way to view legion rule is the lottery in Nipton. If you are the one to luck out and win it all seems pretty good. But if you don’t, you will die an incredibly excruciating death.
>>724563164Yeah, but assuming there's 500 Paladins, Caesar would only need 12500 men to win a war against the Brotherhood, and he has way more than that to spare at that point.
>>724564163This is assuming the legion doesn’t have any power armor though. The centurions wear pieces of salvaged armor so who’s to say there isn’t an elite unit somewhere that has a handful of functional suits. The legion is much bigger then just new vegas
>>724537920>trump invented celebrity worship>>724500879One centurion facing execution vs.>Dr Richards>the raped lesbo>Major Knight>the mutilated stump at forlorn hope who wrote letter #9>Manny Vargas is gay or bisexual>>724507179He's a known variable while Lanius is a man-myth with contradicting story who is said to be a towering boogeyman of a sadistic brute, but actually he genuinely believes in Mars and is also a flexible tactician fit to take on an actual army of a civilized state rather than some unga bunga spicnigs in loincloths>>724537619Might makes right is the entry price of any ideology, otherwise you're just an impotent wordcel playing pretend inside your own head.
>>724564378Probably the fact that those guys would be instrumental in hunting down the Remnants, but they aren't sent to go do that. Then again, maybe Caesar did do that. Watching some bloodthirsty Centurions in power armor do battle with Enclave's finest would be fucking sick.
>>724491493The Last thing the Legionfag sees as he's raping his boy slave
Imagine my shock when I discovered The Legion is not just extremely evil - that's what anons and chuds love so much - but they're also canonically extremely homosexual. Many in-game dialogues explain how they religiously fuck each other in the ass and so on. Very traditional, very right-wing, very based.
>>724564669>chud women-haters are actually just huge faggotsThis shouldn’t be surprising.
>>724564669>>724564860>people who hate them in-universe call them fags>this proves they're fags.I hope you guys are baiting.
>>724496364Isn't it more like Caesar looking for an excuse to remove Graham before he became a rival? Pretty classic case of dictator purging his friends once they're no longer useful
>>724565012You're a fag.
>>724564669This woman was literally kicked out of her bunker for refusing to have kids. I don't take anything she is projecting unto the Legion seriously.
>>724565012The people who call them fags don’t hate fags midwit. So when they say that the men there fuck eachother they say it because there’s truth to it
>>724565189>for refusing to have kids.More like having kids in a damned existence living in a bunker for the rest of their lives while the Mojave slowly surrounds them.
>>724564669>seething tranny loves new Vegas many such cases, sad
>>724565012>>724565189>>724565942Fallout is a fictional franchise. If multiple characters are saying this. It’s safe to assume it’s true. There is no “I need further proof”, the writers put those lines there for a reason and it isn’t to deceive the player
>>724564669>2021 + 4>he STILL hasn’t taken the twinkpill Faggot
>>724566345Easy Pete says that the legion is something that the NCR invented as an imaginary threat to justify their presence.No bark says the town is plagued by a chupacabra with an automatic blunderbuss.
>>724566587Yeah and those people are old and insane. It’s not helping your case. My point isn’t to take everything a character says but reason out of multiple different characters are saying the same thing it’s likely true. The writers aren’t going to come out and say “you got us, the legion having gay sex rumors was cope from your companions”
>>724565115Must be exhausting constantly changing opinions because you heard some literal who spread gossip on the internet.>>724565297Slander doesn't have to be insulting to the speaker, only the target. Fags calling a conservative politician gay don't hate themselves, they just want to get under the guy's skin.Also, there's at least one NCR soldier in the closet, so homosexuality isn't exactly celebrated in the Republic.>>724566345People can lie/be wrong in fictional settings, anon. It's not like Veronica or Cass have been invited to document life inside the Fort.
>>724566917You really think the writers put that there so you wouldn’t believe it. Again it’s not one character who says this, it’s multiple. Like it’s such an insane cope to think this isn’t true from a writing/narrative perspective.
>>724565297As if characters are never wrong or lying in fictional stories, deliberately or otherwise? IRL people make up lies about their enemies to defame them, so I don't see why this concept can't exist in media. It's also ironic seeing as how all the pro-gay retards I've seen love calling people they disagree with faggots (case in point >>724565115), almost like they know it's a mark of shame, as their emotional outbursts towards opposing arguments provide insight to their true thoughts and feelings that are inconsistent with their own declared moral philosophies.
>>724566859>NPCs opposed to a faction do not have an accurate image of the inner workings of that faction>an escaped male slave will tell you that he ran because were his secret to be revealed both him and the centurion would've been executed as Legion punishes homosexuality with death while NCR has a "don't ask don't tell policy" which causes crude homophobia of calling the enemy fags to backfire and demoralize their own gay troops.I hope you're trolling instead of being genuinely too retarded to comprehend different perspectives.
>>724491493Caesar has a vulgarized dilettantish understanding of Hegel but overall his political goals are correct and he is the only way that humanity can meaningfully rebuild in the wasteland and transcend the post-apocalyptic age. He is closer to a mix of Spengler, Vico, Herder, and Heidegger than he is to Hegel, since he basically believes that a Volk has to be founded in a primordial and integral Urkultur in order for it to absorb different influences, like the influences of the dead old world with its random survivals of habits and technology. The danger of these random survivals is that they will merely be agglomerated into the shell of pseudo-culture, they will be "collected" and brought into proximity for convenience's sake, to serve the petty needs of individuals, but not integrated into a whole that is capable of mastering them and subordinating them. The random leftovers of the old world will live a kind of zombie existence, and the atomized individuals of the wasteland, just trying to maximize pleasure and minimize danger and difficulty, will be its body. But the relationship should be the other way around: a culture that fundamentally doesn't NEED the old world survivals, because it has its own primordial and integral identity and "flow" of life regardless of whether it finds a water chip or lives in buildings instead of tents, should be capable of mindfully taking a stance on every remnant of the old world that it finds and absorbs into itself.
>>724567308>IRL peopleExcept these aren’t real life people retarded, they say things for a narrative purpose. And the purpose isn’t to say that the legion is misunderstood bunch who take get needless slander
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>>724547182Just one autodoc and one item printer could self-sustain a small town like Novac or Goodsprings. There's a difference between trying to return society to contemporary levels of normalcy, and succumbing to the perverted exploration of the sciences like you see in the Big Empty.
>>724567374so there is evidence the legion has fags among their ranks. It’s not like the claim was that it was brazenly allowed
>>724567692The claim is that homosexuality is a commonplace and accepted behavior among the legion because NCR resorts to calling their enemies fags in crude propaganda efforts when the objective reality is that there's death penalty for sodomy that you hear learn about from a former slave, which is much more severe that NCR's don't ask don't tell.>ahaha Legion are all lala prancing homos in skirts>(death penalty for sodomy is enforced as its discovered)>literal NCRfags do not know the parentheses and instead spend their days daydreaming about roman orgies or something.
>>724537619They don't do chems. The fiends work for them.
>>724567180>Again it’s not one character who says this, it’s multiple.And all of them dislike the Legion. If some Legionnaire told you Lee Oliver was a cannibal, would you take it as fact, or slander against the enemy? Not every single character in a story is going to be omniscient and/or honest.
>>724564669>Gays in Legion bad>Gays in NCR goodI love how you tards skip lore because you dislike it
>>724568149No the claim is that it’s common. And when it’s an army of only men in skirts it’s probably even more common than stated. Especially with one that has such a utilitarian approach to heterosexuality. Punishment doesn’t deter faggotry historically it never did, they just hid it.
>>724568353If multiple said it, I would because why woukd the writer make it such a point to get multiple people to say that
>>724568371I had to kill everyone in the camp because they were misogynistic
>>724521738In that case the Legion are nothing more than a large group of organized raiders desperately trying to drag humanity back to a wretched life of dirt and poverty. The narcissists who advocate for this style of government flatter themselves by assuming they won't be part of the 90% of the population that's enslaved.
>>724569428You were told the NCR dried up the lakes and are approaching a famine, their economy is failing. What did excessive consumption lead to in the old world? NTA but he's right.
>>724538565Sorry, but the auto-doc is reserved for dear leader ONLY>>724538565
>>724569428>The narcissists who advocate for this style of government flatter themselves by assuming they won't be part of the 90% of the population that's enslavedWell I won't be, I'm one of the only people in existence who can activate VATS and get some cheeky attacks in.
>>724544665Prostitution is as old as civilization itself. Go ahead and declare war on the human race while you're at it.
>>724569836so is child rape
>>724568498Anon, they're fighting a war. People spreading negative rumors about the enemy, true or not, is expected.It would be one thing if someone like House, who is less emotional about the conflict, said his hidden cameras outside the bunker caught Legionaries having a gay orgy, but Veronica and Cass have a much greater bias against the Legion and are going by hearsay.All the writers are saying is that the rumor is popular. Not every character is a reliable narrator.
>>724493885https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxyL3Ymbwn4
>>724557995Legion fans are just contrarian faggots who hate civilization for not letting them wantonly rape little girls. Don't expect any kind of reasoning from them.
>>724491493The Legion looks cool, they treat women like objects and they make leftistfags seethe. AVE TRUE TO CAESAR
People debating about gay legionaries when Caesar himself is gay for Arcade.
>>724569836>we’ve been living in sin since we were rightfully banished from the garden of Eden so there’s no problem with continuing to be degenerates!
>be NCR conscript in the mojave>ambushed by a legion raid party>fire twenty consecutive rounds of 5.56 center-mass into some faceless legionnaire>he pulls out what is clearly a handful of crushed cactus flower and gravel>rubs it all over himself>bullet wounds immediately patch up before my very eyes>resumes sprinting>his entire 6'2 eight-percent body fat quarterback physique hits my gunnery-sergeant with a dull machete so hard that both of her legs explode in unison>mfw
>>724569925The rumor likely has merit given the situation the legion is in. I can assume neither of us have been to prison but when they say that gay prison rape happens you believe it given that these guys have urges and no female contact for long periods of time. The legion isn’t really any different. They can’t make meaningful relationships with women and spend all their time with men. Yeah the legion are a very disciplined group but as we know even top ranking legionaries have gay sexual urges
>>724492935Nah I just like dessert romans.
>>724570964Real romans were in the dessert too
>>724570964>>724571029>Roman dessertLooks tasty. I need to try it someday.
>>724569619>What did excessive consumption lead to in the old world?I'm sorry but the solution to that problem is not the institution of an authoritarian slave state. There are ways of curbing over consumption and mitigating famine that don't require crucifying people for smoking cigarettes.
>>724498862>>724500653I'm surprised nobodies' made a heart of darkness/Apocalypse now allegory with the legion>>724563385>a bunch of technocrats born from university students being mad scientists and kidnapping people is out of placethey're functionally the same as Big MT but larger
>>724572562Really? What were the US and China thinking.
>>724501370>Caesar dies without help before the second battleit's possible he could just send a frumentarii or a smaller squad like the one sent to Searchlight into Vault 34, then kill him after he completes his mission or just let them die of radiation poisoning. >>724502518>Isn't the fact that Caesar's brain developed cancer proof that he's dysgenic though?no and especially not when there are rads just blowing around the whole country after like 200 years. eugenicists do not believe in "leaving things to nature," but to curate beneficial traits, losing Caesar to cancer would be a dysgenic outcome assuming he is yet to produce heirs. >>724506264why bother doing any of that shit when automation is a thing? >>724572562maybe not our world, but certainly the world of Fallout NV needs something like the Legion to set it straight. dispense with the 21st century perspective and understand the wasteland is largely still in the stone age, the NCR is technologically advanced but is already experiencing decline and high level issues like food security and water scarcity. A pastoral slave state that enforces a eugenic caste system in its military and takes tribute from farmers and traders would work fine for the wasteland of the west coast. life would be brutal for a lot of the tribals, but you also must consider that the capable tribals will be made legionaries and legionaries do get status and rewards in Legion society.
>There is no benefit to slavery because it hurts my feelingsI almost feel bad dunking on you fools.
>>724573604What else do you expect, these profligate would be slaves, and not even house slaves, if we lived in a just world
>>724544681Yeah sure but they can't build tables? In most of the inhabited buildings they're still using 200 year old BTFO'd furniture and beds and shit.
>>724570319Last I checked murder is a sin and judgement is reserved for God.
>>724573843They struggle to separate reality from fiction.
>>724573578This, the wasteland NEEDS a strong authoritarian government. It’s the only thing capable of restoring some level of stability and security to society. As the world rebuilds itself something better can come along but the NCR and Mr. House are not the answer to the Mojave’s immediate problems.
>>724570864Men can survive without sticking their penis into a hole. Lot of prison guys just jerk off to get rid of the urge, same with a Legionnaire. The Legionnaires actually have it better because they can in theory rape female captives and slaves every once in a while.None of that means there aren't camps holding gay orgies with the approval of officers, but the point is that there isn't any reliable source for that claim. If Lucius or Caesar alluded to such a "problem" existing, then the rumors would have a basis in reality, but our sources are people who hate the Legion and are simply repeating things they've heard.
The final redpill is that Ulysses is correct and nuking New Vegas into nothingness to reset it to zero is the answer.
>>724574470>None of that means there aren't camps holding gay orgies with the approval of officersI mean we dont see that in real life nor recorded history, I dont see why the Legion is uniquely gay and doing this.
>>724574419The NCR could sustain itself for longer if it won the Dam, but the shortcomings of its society would catch up with it again without a larger-than-life figure like the Courier being able to bail it out in the future. I would obviously prefer life in the NCR myself, but just don't see it as a sustainable civilization compared to the Legion. Mr. House is also cool, I like him, but his plan just hinges on being able to parasitize the NCR's economy, so he's really just the NCR ending with some extra caveats and a pipedream of colonizing distant planets which will likely never come to fruition.
>>724574602It's the type of situation the rumors paint as a common occurrence. Again, It could be happening in theory, we just don't have a reliable source for that.
>>724574506Ulysses doesn't nuke Vegas, he wants to nuke the Long 15 so Vegas will collapse and get conquered by Caesar without a functional supply line to the NCR. I think he also wants to nuke the Legion if you're a member of it. He's purely motivated by spite and revenge. >>724575014>rumors paint as a common occurenceit's literally just wartime propaganda. homosexuality is punishable by death in the Legion, that alone means it's probably not happening very often.
>>724575273Nothing stops some officers from turning a blind eye, but we don't have a reliable source so it's likely slander, yes.
>>724570319>rightfullyHaha, this nigger trusts the words of the kike god
>>724570319I don't think you noticed, but the Legion isn't exactly a Christian faction.
>>724509496Wrong. Legion puts your face on their currency and consider you a national hero for all your accomplishments. Compared to NCR, that's actually amazing.
>>724573604Retard
>>724573578>>724574419Even assuming that the Legion's authoritarian regime is necessary to overcome the immediately problems of the wasteland, do you really believe that the empire would willingly give up that power when it was no longer necessary?
>>724580926>do you really believe that the empire would willingly give up that power when it was no longer necessary?no? why should/would it?
>>724575014>It's the type of situation the rumors paint as a common occurrencecool it with the antisemitic remarks
>>724581279Because their quality of life sucks dick?
>>724580438>Uggooo women should have equal rights in the wasteland huggoooShut up, fag
>>724491493Dumbasses on /v/ talking about how they and the Legion will enslave all the profligatesBro you ARE the profligate. You're first to go
>>724573578>eugenicists do not believe in "leaving things to nature," but to curate beneficial traitsAnd who or what decides what's "beneficial?" The answer is nature itself. Eugenicists should be looking for people with absolute immunity to diseases. Caesar may have made it a long time before he developed cancer, but the point is that those deemed worthy of passing on their genes should be virtually impervious to illness. There are plenty of people in the wasteland who experience the same levels of radiation but don't develop tumors; THOSE people should be the standard. There's no sense in being a half-assed eugenicist.
>>724581579>Because their quality of life sucks dick?But it objectively does not. According to Cass, Caesar, and a few other NPCs, NCR territory (including California proper) is plagued by raiders, has an inefficient bureaucracy which stifles both mercantile and military efforts, and is most famously corrupt, already showing signs of decadence despite how young of a nation it is. The Legion on the other hand, according to people like Raul and Dale Barton, where Raul once regularly traveled Arizona and Dale Barton, who travels back and forth between California and Arizona, says Legion territory is so safe that he doesn't even travel with guards when he's in it, Raul also comments that all the raiders are either dead or avoid Legion like the plague, and Legionaries are always patrolling the roads. All the Legion asks for in return is tribute, not unlike the NCR's taxation. However, the NCR doesn't provide anything in exchange for this tax, they can't protect their frontier settlements, they can't even protect their critical supply lines. Again, the Legion is a pastoral slave state. Most people live completely normal lives, like the settlers in Goodsprings, they just get a visit from the Legion occasionally and tithe some of their food and water in exchange for continued protection from raiders and other threats. The only people who really have to fear the Legion are tribals, and tribals in Fallout are almost invariably raiding savages, with the ONE exception we come across being the Sorrows, and the Dead Horses only being reformed because of Graham. The Legion protects civilized people and enslaves tribals, either by putting them to the whip or integrating them into their army, where they get rewarded with wives and property if they distinguish themselves. >And who or what decides what's "beneficial?"In the Legion's case, the state. There is no such thing as being immune to diseases as a human being, Caesar is not the Master either, lol.
>>724582228If you love slavery so much you should become a slave yourself.
>>724582770Amazing. Yeah in a state of perpetual anarchy i probably would enslave or crucify you. That's realistic.
>>724582770If you love computers so much you should become a computer yourself.
>>724582935Impotent power fantasies from someone with no argument. Pathetic.
>>724582636>NCR territory (including California proper) is plagued by raiders"Born and raised. Things back in California are better than they've ever been, according to my grandpa. The Raiders are mostly gone now and it's easy enough to get a job at one of the mills or farms. But now there's taxes and laws and other things." - Jas Wilkins
>>724583470Yeah, I'll trust some random bitch who lives right next to Deathclaws and Super Mutants about safety over Cass who we know travels all over California as a caravanner and is intimately familiar with the landscape and state of affairs there. Note even in the crazy bitch's lines, she still says "mostly gone," meaning there are still raiders. There are NONE in Arizona, 0.
>>724583415You endorsed it.
>>724583631Yeah I'd take a democracy that is slowly cleaning up the raiders over a brutal dictatorship that may exterminate them all quickly but everyone is a slave.
>>724583767>everyone is a slave verifiably untrue. is everyone a slave in the NCR because they pay taxes?
>>724583890Refuse the taxes and find out
>>724583956woah, so deep. you mean don't get to benefit from society for free? this isn't a big revelation for adults, retard.
>>724583890What? Everyone is a slave in the LEGION.
>>724584459>NCR takes over your independent town>You refuse to pay the tax>Get imprisonedNo it is not a revelation.
>>724584459>taxes are a matter of fact
>>724585106Yes. People even paid taxes in Nazi Germany. >>724585102>Legion takes over your independent town>refuse to pay tribute>get enslavedGlad we understand each other. There are consequences in both the NCR and Legion. But, as I established, there are actual benefits and guarantees the Legion gives in exchange for tribute, while there are still raiders in NCR and especially ALL OVER their roads.
>>724581579>>724582636>>724583470>>724583767There isn't a lot of info as to what life under Legion control is like, but we do have some input from J.E. Sawyer. It's also important to understand the the Legion as a whole was not as fleshed out as the developers wished it to be, so a lot of the Legion's portrayal is as backwards psychopaths who make for easy villains. >the Legion enslaves tribals and forces them to become soldiers. Legionaries are soldiers for life and are not rewarded for their efforts. If a legionary does get promoted, it just means they'll have more responsibilities and greater punishments for failure>People living in pre-existing non-tribal communities enjoy a stable life and have water and electricity provided for them, but they are not "citizens" and do not have any right to own property nor do they have a say in how they're governed. They are expected to do anything ordered of them and are tortured to death if they fail to comply the first time they're toldSo you don't have to worry about raiders or access to fresh water and electricity BUT Caesar can decide to destroy your entire life on a whim. It's unclear whether legionaries are forcefully conscripted from these communities, but anyone who becomes a legionary remains so until they die in battle and do not receive any reward for their service.
>>724585340>being this much of a point-missing retard
>>724585340Just to add, the NCR uses convict labor. But that is civilisation for you.
>>724586158you had no point, pretty clear by your non-sequitur response too lol. >So you don't have to worry about raiders or access to fresh water and electricity BUT Caesar can decide to destroy your entire life on a whim. It's unclear whether legionaries are forcefully conscripted from these communities, but anyone who becomes a legionary remains so until they die in battle and do not receive any reward for their service.A lot of this already conflicts with things we hear in game, so I am not willing to really buy everything he says here. We are told "officers of the Legion" are given wives as rewards, I am assuming "officer" just means any Legionary who is responsible for commanding others. I think it mostly just extrapolates on stuff we already can deduce from in-game dialogue though: Legion law is hard, brutal, but life under it is extremely safe which is an incredible luxury in a shitty, deadly wasteland.
>>724587429>>724585564my bad, forgot to quote again
>>724587429>>724587504I'm not sure who you're responding to but it isn't me. I was just trying to list what facts I could find about life under Legion control lmao. And yes, J.E. Sawyer unequivocally states that legionaries are slaves who get nothing for their service.
>>724585564this has been posted like 3 times in this thread
i'm going to rape my pretty little wife vulpes inculta
>>724588046>And yes, J.E. Sawyer unequivocally states that legionaries are slaves who get nothing for their service.Yeah and without anything in the game to back it up and merely being statements he made after the fact, I would treat this the same way people treat Dumbledore being gay. A legionary can't be employed for life, at some point you are going to age out, and nothing would destroy morale like not being rewarded - ever, in any way, for service. It's simply too unbelievable, sorry, but I feel like if this was actually integrated into the game, it would have had to have been altered at some point due to it being so absurd.
>>724495934They will be given the respect they deserve
>>724589931You can feel any way you want to about it. I'm just telling you what the lead developer said.
>>724535393So far that seems to be the implication yeah, they appear to be lobotomized criminals who are are used as enforcers by their little underground government.
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>>724498025And there's Arizona, NCR lost the whole fucking state.
>>724590720NCR never had Arizona to begin with retard. >caesar, real name Edward Sallow, is a follower of the apocalypse>goes on an expedition to study tribal dialects in the grand canyon>gets kidnapped>edward impresses his captors with his knowledge on basic war tactics and firearm usage>his captors win a battle against an enemy tribe>his captors promote him to chieftain >he wages war against a bunch of other tribes and absorbs them>crowns himself caesar>over the decades expands and takes all of new mexico and arizona which was previously tribal and raider infested land
>>724491493Please ban FNV threads because my urge to post infected tranny axewound goes stronger and stronger
>>724591693waste of a post. how about you don't let trannies claim ownership of something good and instead just enjoy it for what it is >>724590354and like I said, I will treat it like J.K. Rowling claiming Dumbledore is a faggot decades after the fact. what is written in the game does not match up with what he said, as the game has multiple different people writing quests and dialogue, and I will defer to what it is in the game since it is fairly consistent, while some of what Sawyer said is contrary to what exists in the game.
>>724491493Wrong! I am the only solution. Which is why I will once again slaughter the entire legion in my current play through of New Vegas.The fuck Caesar gonna do about it? I'll batter that cunt so hard he'll be salad once I'm finished.
>>724533660you know, this makes a lot of sense. why the west coast setting in particular? it's obviously not something Bethesda themselves is interested in making, yet they are ruining it all the same.
>faction is basically pure evil and gets shat on constantly>/v/ is infatuated with itThis is the same shit you guys do with Slytherin in Harry Potter despite them being completely cucked in every piece of official media.
>>724493301>having a mother and sister to begin withasking to be cucked desu
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>>724600361>Rand Paul stands up to tarrifs.>Whole of pol turns into your pic.Times are wild buddy.
>>724600438What's wild is you associate the Don't Tread on Me flag with Rand Paul.
>>724570589kek
>>724596293Like I said its about making their jobs easier, as long as the west coast as we know it exists people will always compare whatever Fallout game that comes out to NV. There is also something that most people don't talk about and its that Bethesda makes one and done areas. So they are slowly writing themselves into a corner.
>>724495934I'll never watch this stupid show but I do love this weird frog girl. I love women with weird eyes and affected manners of speaking
>>724502492>World's most beautiful legWhat Did They Mean By This?
