>We are delighted to announce that we’ve got a Free Update for you today. It's a Halloween Update that includes 24 new ways to customize your look, with 8 new hairstyles, 8 makeup styles, and 8 eye colors. All so that you can celebrate the end of October in style!>This spooky update comes alongside more quality-of-life improvements as we continue to consider the feedback you provide through various channels. We’ll keep releasing regular updates and patches throughout 2025 and into 2026.>In future updates, we’re looking at including features such as an FOV slider, new save game options, custom difficulty settings that include the ability to play only Phyre’s side of the story on your second playthrough, as well as additional customization options.It's nice that they plan to stick with the game, and have their ear to the ground regarding player feedback, but the real problem with The Chinese Room was always their management. People within the studio have been critical of aspects of Bloodlines for years and their concerns were downplayed or ignored. Like, no shit, taking Bloodlines 2 and bolting several longwided walking sim sections where you play another character onto the structure hurts when replaying the game. You didn't need a crystal ball to see that. It's like if The Fade from Dragon Age had a baby with Human Revolution's Missing Link DLC.
Shut the fuck up, shill
Phyre?I don't even know 'er!
>>724534956>24 new ways to customize your lookWhere's the ability to pick a better-looking face?
>>724535828That's what mods are for. I like female Phyre, though. Her detached disinterest makes me horny.
>>724535828They did say more customization options are coming in the future.
>>724534956>~12 hour game>~6 hours as Phyre>~6 hours as Fabien>DLC with ~3 hours as Benny>DLC with ~3 hours as Ysabella>Playing as your protagonist unironically has less content than playing as other charactersWhat did they mean by this?
>>724536214Phyre is not your protagonist. You're not allowed to make any meaningful choices, build him with differing intrinsic stats, or really, differ at all in how the devs intended Phyre to act. It's not a RPG.
>>724534956>the ability to play only Phyre’s side of the story on your second playthroughOkay, but that doesn't change the fact that Phyre barely has any fucking content to play. The DLCs won't help either, because the devs were so fucking retarded they decided to make them from the POV of OTHER chatacters AGAIN! Neither DLC has any content as Phyre. You play other characters! Again! So fucking stupid!
>>724536214It's closer to 20 hours for most players and something like 2 hours of that are spent as Fabien.
>>724536306You do make a bunch of meaningful choices, though.
>>724536318What do you mean by no content? It's the same length as the original game.
>>724536359I've made a meaningful choice to not buy and not play this game.
>>724536359Lol, no you don't. There's a reason the ending slides are based on arbitrary "decisions" you made earlier on, like you can't get prince ending, if you sent SI out of Seattle. This is because the devs are retarded and couldn't do actual meaningful decisions. Give Benny to Ryung or Katsumi? Doesn't matter, I was forced into Anarch ending, despite not giving Benny to her and opposing her at every turn. The game is filled with meaningless and superficial choices, where the devs have Telltale-style fake reactions, to create an illusion of choice.Imagine paying for this garbage, lmao. The devs should have paid me for playing this shit.
>>724536494The only choice that matters.
When are we getting the Tzimisce DLC where we witness Sascha Vykos cutting his dick off?
>>724536524So you wanted telegraphed endings?
>>724536537Never. Safia was originally a Tzimisce, though. She was originally pretending to be a Tremere. That is dropped in the final game, but you can still kinda sense it.
>>724536524My favourite choices were when I got 4 variations of the same option.>Yes>Fuck, yes>Heck, yesand>Yes, please
>>724536572I wanted the choices to actually matter. When I stated to Lou, to Fabien, to everyone, that I wanted to be prince, maybe that's what my character should have done. When I opposed Anarchs and threatened to kill Katsumi, maybe the game should have recognized that, instead of having an illogical ending that made no sense. There's a reason Bloodlines 1, made by more competent devs, had the sequence where you choose, with solo ending as the "backup". These retards couldn't manage even that.>>724536619Yup. The game had so many options, like 4 dialogue options! Heck yeah, like when you tell Safia to fuck off, yet the game forces this stupid romance, and apparently Phyre cares about Safia when she dies, because the devs were incompetent and wrote the game with one "path" only.
>>724536602I will believe it when I hear it. All I see is poor writing.
>>724536694>When I stated to Lou, to Fabien, to everyone, that I wanted to be prince, maybe that's what my character should have done.Those things contribute towards the prince ending.>There's a reason Bloodlines 1, made by more competent devs, had the sequence where you choose, with solo ending as the "backup".Bloodlines 1 basically has a "I want to choose my ending now" sequence in the taxi. As opposed to the ending being a result of several choices you had made across the game. There is the "A City of Kinship" ending in 2, for example, that requires you to make peace with every Primogen. It's very hard to get. You can't just pick the "I want everyone to get along" dialogue option 5 mins from the ending.
>>724536694I wasn't kididng when I said those were my favourite. That's because they were the only times the game was truly honest about itself.The curse of mandatory VA work, you can only accommodate so much.Also, game knows it's so bad they had to include a way to speed up walking. Imagine how shit it'd be without that and how much it made you go to the other end of the city or each corner.
>>724536901>I will believe it when I hear it.Her name in the game's code is Cemile. The senior writer confirmed it. Safia originally had a different name, and different motivations. But a lot of her arc and major plot beats stayed the same.>All I see is poor writing.Where?
>>724536926>Bloodlines 1 basically has a "I want to choose my ending now" sequence in the taxi. As opposed to the ending being a result of several choices you had made across the game.Maybe actually play the game, tourist? Bloodlines 1 endings were based on previous choices as well, Camarilla, LaCroix, Anarch, Kue-Jin, etc. The game just confirmed whether you wanted that ending.Notice btw that you haven't at all been able to acknowledge how retarded it is for a supposed "RPG" to force an ending, where you "willingly" serve someone else, who you at no point have indicated a friendly relationship, or any willingness to do so. A thing being conditional on previous action needs to be sensible. If you eat porridge for breakfast, that shouldn't indicate your willingness to be raped by me next day, even if you may like it. Yet you are arguing for such a thing.
>>724537032Fabien's sequences were added fairly recently. They weren't part of the game originally. What is interesting is that Fabien "remembers" waddling around the city at street level, but his scent trail shows him jumping over rooftops and climbing up walls.So long story short, Fabien's memories are full of shit.
>>724534956>8 eye colorsi remember downloading eye textures for The Sims 2 absolutely free, without needing to wait for an "uppy-dayt"that was 19 years ago... where does the time go
>>724537069Interesting.
>>724537127>Bloodlines 1 endings were based on previous choices as well, Camarilla, LaCroix, Anarch, Kue-Jin, etc. The game just confirmed whether you wanted that ending.Yea, that's the problem. It turns the endings into a choice, not a "enjoy the consequences of your actions" kinda thing. Why do you think so many of 2's endings are calculated to spite you? To say, "Lol, get fucked?"
>>724534956Game is unpayable, controller work, keyboard rebinds are bugged. If you desperately want players for a 70 dollar game maybe fix the bare minimum
>>724537372Are you saying controller doesn't work?
>>724537272It turns the game up until that point into a non-choice, so that only one choice truly matters, rather than the ending being the culmination of actual choice throughout. One is for children, one is for men.
>>724537262Stop responding to yourself, subhuman.
>>724537573Stop acting like a jeet.
>>724535828That's not progressive, chud.
>>724537631But I'm not a Paradox shill, you are.How does it feel to know that you will never be white?
>>724537493No it doesn't, woops. The keybinds are fucked
>>724537770Works for me. What ghetto ass controller are you trying to use?
>>724537502No, because it means that the choices you made throughout the game create the ending, not choices you intentionally make in the last 5 minutes.
>>724537904>Bloodlines 2 is one of those idiotic games that does not check whether the player is lying or telling the truth. It takes every dialogue option on face value, making value judgements based on that alone.This is actually intentional, as I recall. They originally had tonal indicators for dialogue, but removed them.
>>724537960I'm sure they had plenty of intentions, but so do many games. Planescape actually had lying and truth-telling be gameplay mechanics in dialogue, with consequences for them. It shouldn't be hard to beat a 26 year old game.
>>724538050The idea VTMB2 seems to operate on is that what you mean doesn't matter. It's what other people think you mean.
>>724537810>choices you made throughout the game create the endingThis is a good thing. Having Caine ask you what ending you want isn't. I love VTMB, it's in my top 10, but people are really gay about it these last few weeks.
>>724534956Could we at least not START the thread with such shilling?
>>724537810To be fair, Bloodlines 2 really does need more choices peppered throughout the game. How you got your ending makes sense in hindsight but I wish there was more flexibility.
>>724538146You've never played Bloodlines 1. The ending you get in that game is influenced by choices you made. Your choices restrict (or open) endings you get, but you still get to make the choice of what you actually want, like you know, every RPG ever.
>>724534956fuck off
>>724538221Same. I especially dislike that one particular choice forces one particular ending, given that the only excuse for choosing the not-railroaded option is out of character. You can't just embrace people.
>>724538251I've been playing Bloodlines 1 since before you were born, which is why I was able to accurately describe it to you, much as that apparently leaves you seething. Having a character ask you which ending you want in the last part of the game is something /v/groe retards would shazam post about today. You're inconsistent and retarded.
>>724534956Did the update affect cop behavior? They've been showing up more often in Anarch fights - even up on the rooftops. Can't tell if it's from the update, the game glitching, or if it's a narrative thing and more cops show up after the Atrium.
The shills are desperate to maintain some kind of mindshare for a game that people stopped talking about a week after release.
>>724538370I don't know if the trigger is atrium, but the rooftop population changes each night, eventually adding cops, hunters, sabbat, and they generally fight each other. Maybe not cops and hunters, but cops and anarchs and sabbat are always fighting, anarchs and sabbat fighting each other, etc.
>>724538350LMAO. Nice attempt at ignoring what I said, and my point, namely that Bloodlines 1 already had your actions and choices affecting the ending you get.>Having a character ask you which ending you want in the last part of the game is something /v/groe retards would shazam post about today. You're inconsistent and retarded.It wouldn't, because this mechanism is essentially how every game does it. You, the player, chooses at the end your ending, out of the options given to you, hopefully influenced by your previous choices. It's how WotR does it, it's how BG3 does it, it's how DOS2 does it, it's how PoE1 might have done it, etc. All competent RPG devs have the player state their intention, to avoid mistakes like Bloodlines 2. TCR has no experience with RPGs and it shows, despite niggers like you shilling for them.
>these people want to talk about video games on the video game board and are talking about a specific game in a thread made specifically for it, they...THEY MUST BE SHILLS!So fucking tired of this brown zoomer gibberish every day here.
>>724538478They've been doing it for decades. The daily threads for VTMB have always been silly.
>>724538532>namely that Bloodlines 1 already had your actions and choices affecting the ending you getSounds like you didn't play Bloodlines 1.
>>724538553There is no rational human that would defend Bloodlines 2, so it is quite logical to assume "people" who do so are shills or a LLM.
>>724538615Your criteria for "defend" is just "doesn't constantly lie about" so that doesn't carry a lot of water.
I really wanted to like this game btw. I was so hopeful
>>724538491I suppose it's good for a sense of progression but it does make it harder to navigate quickly without getting shot at.Kind of regret not going Banu Haqim or Toreador for their movement skills/boosts.
>>724538607Please, oh great and masterful Bloodlines 1 expert, explain to me how requiring you to complete, for example, Strauss' quest and not informing Isaac about the gargoyle, is not "actions and choices affecting the ending you get"?
>>724538694Eventually if you just keep running they start ignoring you mid-fight, but yeah it does get gay. They overdid it with the rooftops so you're walking around the city, everyone can clearly gunshots but until a body drops into the alley nobody really reacts or does anything. At least when it starts out the endless anarch ghouls are just using knives and bats mostly.
>>724538743"hey fledgling, which ending do you want?"I love the game, it's in my top 10, I'm not going to pretend like that is more organic or more RP friendly than things naturally concluding as a consequence of choices made. VTMB1 is better than VTMB2, I'm not "defending" anything, I'm not "shilling" anything, you're just acting like a gay retard about it.
They need to add helicopters that chase you across rooftops.
>>724538873Are you actually this retarded? You claim that your choices and actions do not affect the options you are given at the end, I prove you wrong, and now you are once again trying to deflect and ignore your mistake. I get that it is hard to admit being wrong, but this is just pathetic. I very much doubt you've ever even touched Bloodlines 1, with this pathetic of a understanding of the game. You are likely a paid shill from Mumbai, smelling like feces, kind of like half the dev team of Bloodlines 2.
>>724538743>>724538873Even VTMB2's rushed, undercooked endings are still better than the garbage VTMB1 dished up.
Broke: Onda is spitting in your mouth.Woke: Onda is spitting on your butthole.
>>724538996>You claim that your choices and actions do not affect the options you are given at the endNo, that's something you imagined because you find it easier to imagine a flat, incorrect argument that you can win against than you do reading, understanding, and acting like a rational person. To use your own example, you can do one favor for Strauss as a function gate, and still you are given a hamfisted "pick an ending" screen. These two things aren't mutually exclusive. Whatever the problems with the game, an ending that develops naturally as a consequence of play throughout and not just a single ending selection screen is more natural. Stop getting angry and competing with your discord to see how many times per minute you can say 'shill' and start reading.
>>724538478How dare people discuss a video game on a video game board.
I'm giving the game a fair shake but it felt weird there wasn't an option to take Verona up on making her your blood doll.
>>724539718Agreed. She should have been Heather.
>>724536306>It's not a RPG.Then why call it vtmb
>>724539718>>724539901A love interest that isn't a negress, senior citizen or tranny? In Current Year? LOL!
>>724534956>new save game optionsGood lord. We've reached a point devs can't even implement proper save systems anymore and they're a post-launch feature.
>>724539940They'd have saved themselves a lot of grief just calling it Vampire the Masquerade: Seattle or something. I think the answer is Paradox sold preorders for Bloodlines 2 already from the Hardsuit days. The game wouldn't be perfect either way, but it could have been talked about as a major jump from those gay text reading games instead of a major decline from Bloodlines.
>>724540140>I think the answer is Paradox sold preorders for Bloodlines 2 already from the Hardsuit days.Publishers always think this matters far more than it does if you ask me. People who bought BL2 under false premise will now just spread bad publicity by word of mouth. Had they subtitled it the Nomad or something expectations would've been very different.
>>724539943Play Dispatch then, because gaming is healing.Although the blonde girl holds a dark secret that might ruin her in your eyes.
>>724539718She didn't even want to be a ghoul, she literally wanted the cuck chair option below it in being a blood doll
>>724539718That bothered me, too. It has so much "slavery is bad" energy.
>>724539940>>724540140>>724540235This argument doesn't hold water. They didn't call A Machine for Pigs "Amnesia 2" but people still got upset at them.
>>724540320ghouls get sent to rooftops to die guarding nothing, blood dolls just get feeding orgasms
>>724540665VtM is the setting, not the game name like Amnesia isMaking VtM:Missed the mark would not be a spin-off or a followup to Swansong, VtM:Swansong - The dildo maker would be
>>724538146>CaineAh you're retarded. Got it.
>>724540831But let's be clear. You take VTMB2. You take all of its assets and characters. You make a game out of them. You make it very clear this is the future of the franchise. It's a first person action RPG set in a hub where Rik Schaffer music plays while you walk around sometimes. It has Damsel in it for 30 seconds. The entire plot revolves around the consequences of Lacroix's death.You really think VTMB fans would magically not be mad? Because it is VTMB2 no matter what they call it. It's the follow-up to VTMB1. They can call it Spunky the Space Snail for all they want. It's still the game that is a direct sequel to Bloodlines.
>>724540967He's Caine, he was always intended to be Caine, the malk thing is a fag's retcon
>>724540993>It's the follow-up to VTMB1but they're mad because it's not? you're not making sense
Can you fuckwits stop saying "Bloodlines 1"?There is no game called that. Bloodlines has never had a "1" in the title and if you're trying to retroactively add it then you need to kill yourself immediately.
>>724541080They're mad because it is that, but it has taken the franchise in a direction they don't like. They have this idea about some "real" Bloodlines 2 that is waiting to be made. You can call Bloodlines 2 anything you want. It's still the game that exists very specifically to be a sequel to 1, to continue its legacy. It's the Tron Legacy of Bloodlines games.
>>724540993I'd rather be disappointed over BL2 not happening than getting a shitty in-name-only title like we just did.
>>724541196We have to say it otherwise everyone will start defacto calling Bloodlines 2 "Bloodlines".
>>724541225yeah ok you're trollinggood job you made me reply
>>724534956I'm playing this right now and honestly it's not THAT bad. The dialogue isn't great and the voice acting is mediocre but the premise and overall plot is pretty solid, parkouring around the city is good, and while the combat is shallow what's there is fun. If they had dropped "Bloodlines" from the title and fleshed out the game with a bit more content; more abilities, the missing clans, more variety of enemies, a real UI/inventory for all the notes you pick up and shit; I think it could've been more than good. Really, it's biggest issue aside from the dialogue is selling itself as a Bloodlines sequel when it's just a totally different VTM game.
>>724541269Just call it "flatlines" or whatever the fuck you want, but you're shitting on the real Bloodlines by arbitrarily adding "1" to it just because the chink room shat out a VN trying to ride on the nostalgia coattails.
>>724541225It's basically Crysis 2 all over again.
>>724541446It's not about shitting on it, it's about the reality that Bloodlines is being eclipsed by its sequel.
How do the like 5 western RPG fans that still exist even cope anymore? This shit makes Veilguard look good
>>724541243Issue is that's not how most people think. They want more of the thing they like and everything else be damned. These same people then proceed to crash out the hardest.
>>724541567They hired The Chinese Room to make it. The studio that invented walking sims, more or less. It was never going to be a game for conventional RPG fans.
>>724534956Paradox and TCR not only stole the valour of VTMB to sell some unrelated slop, but they also committed false advertising to a criminal degree and got away with just making up features that don't even exist in the game i hope everyone involved is publicly tortured and rots in hell
>>724541754No, Hardsuit did that. TCR have always been reasonably honest about the game they were making. It was Hardsuit lying about their game being this Deus Ex-style RPG.
>>724541905https://youtu.be/6xRCZePzzqM
>>724541905At least Hardsuit would've let you play as your fucking character instead of forcing you to play as some faggot for half the game and some other faggots for every DLC. You barely fucking play as Phyre.
>>724541905fucking sad how much overtime they've put you on
>>724541975Yea, that demo is a good example. Completely fake vertical slice. They had done basically nothing on the game after years. Just a bunch of empty environments.
>>724538169What else can you do when the new game turned out to be exactly as disappointing as everyone expected. Even the shills have nothing to say about it.
One of the problems with sequels like this is that they introduce the franchise to a huge new audience that looks down on the original because they think it's dated and badly written and the second half sucks and also they're not really impressed by the Jeanette twist because they see it coming a mile off.
It'll be a couple of weeks before we see any major design changes.
>>724543508You'll never see major design changes, and that isn't something you can do in a couple of weeks regardless.
>>724543632Oh, there's going to be design changes. Heck, they have to think up new combat mechanics just for the two DLCs. They have a shitload of work to do. They're retooling how Fabien works, among other things.
>>724544040>they have to think up new combat mechanics just for the two DLCThey don't, you'll just play a set character. They might even be like Fabien sections where you don't even fight.
So question:Is ghouling someone (And keeping them a ghoul) just objectively wrong? What with the forced love and obediance and subjecting them to, well, the life of a ghoul (which typically ain't that great even at the best of times).Or is it just very morally questionable and too complex of an issue to judge on anything but a case by case basis?For example I feel Ghouling Heather wasn't wrong, like at at. You were literally saving her life. However KEEPING her as a ghoul after she tracks you down? That is certainly a lot more questionable. Perhaps not immediately, objectively wrong but also far from right too, let alone the best option for her, even disregarding the unmodded outcome.On the other hand, say there's a very old ghoul, one who would turn right to dust shortly after missing a vitae feeding, that has now been orphaned. They are already a ghoul, it was done by someone else but now staying a ghoul is the only way to survive. Is taking them as your own to maintain that state for them a mercy or still wrong, given they're just trading one slave master for another, no matter how well you may "take care of them"?
>>724544079Steam description for both Benny and Ysabella says new mechanics for both characters.
>>724543632Devs have said that while they can't make promises, things are in the works.
>>724544445Nope>>724544484like toggling unreal's FOV slider
>>724541531loser
>>724544289Honey, you are a vampire. Give it 10 more years and you'll most likely drop this pesky human morality thinking.
>>724544484>the biggest gameplay thing they wanna "fix" is letting you continue after you stealth past all enemiesYeah THAT will fix the gameplay. Add a skip button to all fights next
>>724541386No, even if it didn't attach itself to Bloodlines it's pretty meh overall. Keep playing and you'll realize it, as the game literally stays the absolute same for its whole duration. The combat never evolves and it's really bad. The story gets retarded and incredibly obvious. The detective becomes more and more plebbit, as does Tolly. It has bugs out of the ass and I don't see this new patch addressing any of them.
>>724541386>parkouring around the city is goodCome back to post your opinion about that after you do it for 20 hours>and while the combat is shallow what's there is funCome back to post your opinion about that after you do it for 20
>>724536694>like when you tell Safia to fuck off, yet the game forces this stupid romancelolconfirmed for dev's self-insert character
>>724544613That wasn't in character question but thanks for your input.Though you'd be surprised how well some vamps hold on to their humanity, even old ones.
>>724544691>It has bugs out of the assI hate this game but that's just a lie>>724544770The real question is why the game is kvetching at you about giving Verona to Lou, but giving random people off the street to her is fine. I guess the devs know those are NPCs without any character traits so they don't count
I hate how the game keeps introducing awesome characters and then violently killing them. It has all the worst qualities of a Metal Gear game.
>>724536327>something like 2 hours of that are spent as Fabien.lying nigger shill
They need to add at least 4 more skill slots, better 8
>>724541196I've started calling it OldLines, as opposed to NewLines.
>>724544808>Toreador passive constantly glitching out, forcing you to reload to get rid of the onscreen effect>Brujah mastery literally not working>Lasombra matters can fuck your game up if the games devices to save while it is active>NPCs running away from you often run into meshes Yeah, no, I'm not lying here, Shill-kun.
>>724545056Try not being a phonenigger and I might actually be able to understand what the fuck you're saying
>>724545092>I got no argument: the postI accept your concession.
>>724545158Okay mister "Lasombra matters". I can totally debate gobbledygook your phone decided to post because you're too much of a fucking zoomer to proofread your shit>l-le concedeYeah run away bitch
>>724544816>"WoD is supposed to be le grim, how do we show that">"People die">"Okay, what else?">"Uhhhhhh... People die Violently?"Just falling back on death is lazy. LIVING (or "unliving" for the pedantic) in the world of darkness is the shitty part, not just dying. (Unless you end up a wraith, then you're REALLY fucked...)
>>724545356It's like they made the flashbacks but decided they only wanted to have a few characters reappearing, which necessarily meant all the bit characters from the past had to die violently because of the whole no natural death thingRetarded fucking decision, but that's par for the course. Can't think of one non-retarded decision TCR made in this entire game
>>724534956>In future updates, we’re looking at including features such as an FOV slider
>>724541531We'll see which game still gets discussed in 20 years.
>>724545632Every future VTMB thread is gonna have people asking if they should play 2What a sad state of affairs
>>724545632the world will africanize in 20 years and nobody will discuss games or anything requiring infrastructure
There are already nude mods for Phyre. Hopefully someone makes a Malk female outfit without panties soon.
>>724544691The combat is great.The story is great. Not as good as Swansong's, but close.
>>724546262>The combat is great.>The story is great.Ok at best for both.
>>724546152I'm not sure Phyre can pull the Malk outfit off...
>>724545428The flashbacks were created late in dev during the Fabien rewrites.
So, trying to work out who the modern copycat killer is. Fabien is the most likely suspsect, but the cellphone for the Verona/Ravenna case seems to tie it to the Sabbat plot. Which opens another can of worms.When saving Safia's ghouls, he mentions it's funny how you find the first one near where your "first met", ie the intro of the game. Notes in that building mention blood traficking, signed "F". With the occult book signed JJ, I think we can safely assume that Fabien was an accessory in Safia's blood experiments.So he was an enforcer for the court - it's strongly implied he had to kill and deal with corpses for it on top of erasing memories (see Fletcher the first day, but also his comment on "cops being trained killer" with Verona. A lot of his comments seems to be hinting at the ugly truth of what he is, and can't face (not to mention the foreshadowing, see for example at Niko's pawnshop; "I always wanted to be the guy that has a wire and records the bad guy").A lot of his turns of prhases are repetitive and formulaic, doubling down on the purely artificial persona.I can't work out for now how the Sabbat case, the modern murders, and Fabien interconnect. If we assume he is using cellphones, the knot becomes more complex, with possibility of him being reason Benny is going amok.
>>724547582No one cares, shill
>>724547582I assumed it was Safia weakening the court.
>>724547582Fabien is an unreliable narrator. There are issues with pretty much all of his memories. Where did this cutesy police detective persona come from? Way before the game came out, when we only had snippets, I wondered if maybe Fabien was Santiago (whatever the original plan for that character was) and that he had created the detective persona to distance himself from being a murderer.I can't avoid perceiving Fabien as the mirror image of Safia. That his entire... thing is a facade. That he's gotten so muddled up from having his memories erased repeatedly and from being insane that he can't tell the difference between his real self and his chipper detective facade.
Another thing that hit me with Fabien is how no one seems to care he's dead.The nomad warns no one about it. The one that displaced campbell's corpse didn't bother at all with his. No one mentions how he's missing.Which adds to the bleakness of the situation: he just a tool, and not even one that has people care.>>724547752I do, antishill anon. That's enough for me to add my comment on the toilet stall of the internet.You could go be a paranoid fuck anywhere else, there's a Redemption thread in which you could have useful productive conversation instead of being your usual shitty negative self.The anon doth protest too much, methinks
>>724548027That one is possibly a side effect of the rewrite. We don't know a huge amount about the original Fabien, but he was a thinblood, he was a nobody. The rewritten Fabien is connected to every major player in the story, which makes the lack of anyone noticing or caring that he's dead unusual.
>>724548027Do you really think we can't tell you're the only one discussing the story ramifications?Do you really think we don't know it's you?Do you really think you were being subtle when you talked about who your favorite writer in TCR for at least a year, when literally no one else has ever heard of any of those people before?Do you really think we didn't notice you shittalk Mitsoda for years to try and make people more amenable to this game?
>>724548154Maybe Mitsoda, bless him, should have written a better game.
>>724548027>No one mentions how he's missing.Yes they do you retarded fucking nigger, people go "where the hell has Fabien gone again, I'll rip him a new one when he gets back" several times.
>>724547782The two plots definitely intertwine, I just hope there's traces allowing us to see a clearer picture I missed.There's a possibility Fabien, being part of Safia's workforce so to speak, was an accessory on the Sabbat subplot too, which gave him opening to twist it.Would help explain things going haywire there.That said: The former Seattle Prince was allegedly a Sabbat convert, the current court is completely Sabbat infested. One hell of a city.>>724548015>Fabien is an unreliable narrator.Defnitely, that's his whole shtick. But then we have to assume /some/ of the data isn't fantasy. I'm working for now on the assumption that he falsifies tone, and retains information, but what is shown can be taken as reliably factual.
There's no way Fabien is the modern copycat killer because he doesn't have Potence which would've been required to kill the first ghoul in Fletcher's bar in the short time that he spent with her.Unless you want to believe that Fletcher, the person who already hates his Malk guts just allowed him to turn the back of his bar into a dead blood doll storage. Ysabella also hated him as well but maybe she would forgive him because he led Verona to her
Imagine shilling so hard that you start having conversations with yourself because nobody else gives a shit about this UE5 slop chink room game. Crazy.
>>724548354Anon you're giving the story way more thought than any of the devs did.Literally everything that happens at the end of the game would result in the fall of the masquerade, its a fuck-up so bad it would make the brujahs over in carthage blush. And the writers don't care.
>>724548436That's why you pick the only good ending (IAO purging the city)
>>724548027>The one that displaced campbell's corpse didn't bother at all with hisI assume that was Safia since she has her recorder back. May have just not had time, or may have not cared, she's a little hostile to Fabien in his last flashback.
>>724548270I've have been dwelling in those threads for a few weeks before release, and I'll repeat what I stated already: get help. And I'm not saying it as an insult. Do get help. You need it.>>724548270Replaying it right now, on the third night, no comments so far. So either I managed to miss/dodge them all, or they come later (or you're lying but let's go with innocent till proven).
>>724548486>since she has her recorder backShe has multiple recorders, Fabien says so. And Campbell dominates Fabien to break the recorder anyway so it can't be the same oneDid you even play the fucking game? Are you still going off the internal marketing materials they've given you? At least watch a playthrough, I beg you
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>>724548015When you follow Fabien's trail, it completely contradicts the route you remember taking in the flashback. You're running up buildings and stuff. Which means those memories are not true. He filters everything through delusions.
>>724548436The fall of the masquerade is the entire point of the game. It's what Ysabella's plan is entirely about. To break the masquerade so hard nobody can ever put it together again.
>>724548628The scent takes you to some thinblood Benny killed, that's who was running up buildings
>>724548558>She has multiple recorders, Fabien says so.It's easy to miss this, to be fair, I missed it on my first playthrough. So yea, Fabien says he's taking one of her recorders.
>>724539718>>724539943Another example with this is with Lou>(male) fans have been glued and thirsty about her and her juggs from the very first time she appeared in the HSL trailer>she's even front and center in so many promotional material and articles for the game and is clearly an important character to the plot>"oh I know, let's NOT make Vampira Hendricks romanceable/courtable and instead give them a Tremere granny (???) or an ugly Lasombra nigress instead>both also "literal who"s in comparison concerning the storyYou can't tell me nobody in HSL or CR didn't notice the fan appeal. It's just so weird. At first I thought that due to her heavy involvement, writing her that way would be difficult. But then we do have at least 1 ending (other than the one where she becomes prince) of MC becoming prince and keeping her alive. So why couldn't they have written a romantic subplot around those endings?Is a busty romantic companion too much to ask to westernslop games at this point?
>>724548692That scent trail is meant to be Fabien's. That's why it starts inside the apartment building and runs outside, down the alley, down the other side, up the wall, etc.
>>724548719They even nerfed her tits. Occam's Razor says incompetence rather than malice but by this point I'm honestly assuming both. TCR hates every single aspect of actual video games, and hates every person who liked any of the HSL promo materials. You can't explain the amount of baffling decisions they took just with incompetence>>724548758>That scent trail is meant to be Fabien's.And it ends at the thinblood and then magically picks up again after the Benny conversation. TCR is incompetent on top of hating the concept of video games, as outlined above
>>724548719>You can't tell me nobody in HSL or CR didn't notice the fan appeal.Obviously they did, but these freaks don't think like human beings would. They see the fan appeal from straight men and think it's "problematic" and "icky" to have this male gaze objectification. Wouldn't you rather have a diverse kween who dominates you during sex or a wrinkled old granny that subverts expectations?
>>724548865>And it ends at the thinblood and then magically picks up again after the Benny conversation.This is probably something they will explain in the Benny DLC.
>>724548719Giving players what they want is so plebeian. How could players understand what they even want? The difference between a so called "gamer" and one of us devs is that we're artist, with a fountain of knowledge, wisdom and art under our fingertip.Every time you give players what they want, you bow to plebeians, you dilute your preciousness, you dilute what makes you, an artist. Fuck gamers. They're not worth our art anyway
>>724548916I'd like to see how the devs reacted whenever Paradox told them "no you have to include gameplay, you can't just make a shitty walking sim". Probably seething for months
>>724548910>Benny DLC.What kind of fucking retard decided to split Phyre content EVEN MORE with the DLC? You barely fucking play as Phyre ro begin with. This game has no goddamn content.
Wait, it's true? They nerfed not-ChristinaHendricks talents?t. have-yet-to-play
>>724548719>ugly Lasombra nigress insteadYou take that BACK, you motherfucker. She years to be colonized.
>>724534956>We’ll keep releasing regular updates and patches throughout 2025 and into 2026.ok. maybe i'll consider the game mid-2026 when it leaves AAA early access period
>>724548978They reacted by retooling half the game to be a shitty walking sim, with zero consequences from Paradox. Unironically.
>>724549008Incompetent and malicious>>724549016Yeah. I'm sure someone has the HSL ready to post but this is how she looks in the released gameAlso, don't fucking play this. The combat is good maybe 2% of the time and everything else is shit. Watch the story on youtube if you absolutely must experience this. It's a waste of time though
>>724548978The original TCR version of VTMB2 when Pinchbeck was directing was an action game primarily. The walking sim stuff was added after he stepped out and Alex Skidmore stepped in, as well as Jeremy Hicks as gameplay lead. All the Fabien walking sim stuff is quite recent. Originally it was just action scene after action scene after action scene.
>>724549028>She years to be colonized.Which of course is why they explicitly had to mention SHE dominates (YOU) during sex, which is fucking pathetic. Imagine being the submissive as a man. Your choice of "waifu" is disgusting.
>still posting TCR employees no one has ever heard of>pretended he wasn't the same shill earlier and called me paranoid
>>724549068>Also, don't fucking play this.I won't. No repsect for Christina = no play.
>>724549079Sounds like we did the opposite of dodging a bullet. Walked into a bullet? Skidmark and Hicks sound like total fucking retards.
>>724549147He is lying, to try to shift the blame to "those damn new people at TCR" for some fucking reason. I think he's just in love with that Pinchback faggotTCR was never gonna make a non-walking sim
>>724549028I get why the sex scenes are fade to black. (The OG was the same.) But I wanted to see a fully animated scene of her spitting in female Phyre's mouth.
>>724548916>Giving players what they want is so plebeian. How could players understand what they even want?This, but unironically. Five minutes in any gaming discussion site will show you how retarded the audience is.
>>724537272>Why do you think so many of 2's endings are calculated to spite you? To say, "Lol, get fucked?"?nvm not even going to play this when patched
>>724549202Why choose these clowns to finish the game?
>>724548978It is interesting to see how "giving players what they want" is such an icky thing to do for fart sniffing big studio western devs, while for eastern devs or even indies it's a rule of good game design.>Yeah you want a big titted big boobed girl>Here's she is, you want another?>We've got tsundere, we've got kuudere, sorry you want a loli? I've got three.
Another sad detail if Fabien happens to be the modern copycat is the whole "Lord Fabien" bit. If he is the one that dominated the victim at Fletcher's bar, he's just "massaging his own ego", to talk like Lou.Which /would/ fit into what we can see of the character off mask (his stated reasons for embracing the pregnant woman shows he resents his powerlessness, at the very least).If we assume Safia's the killer, though:what would be the motive? Throwing Fabien off track? Forcing Campbell's hand in killing him for having become too much of a nuisance? Seems way too convoluted a tool for such aims. Petty vengeance?
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/pinchbeck/Just a little taste of his obsession with some faggot who wrote shitty stories in "games" no one liked
>>724549218soon
>>724549236Because they offered to do it for cheap. Paradox was trying to salvage a game in dev hell as cheaply as possible so they could start nickel and diming you for DLCs
>>724549261I very much doubt anyone is going to be modding this game in any meaningful fashion.
>>724549315already are
>>724548354She wasn't a ghoul, Fletcher says she is completely unblooded
>>724549315I'm sad that the shill has abandoned his "this will become a cult classic with mods" talking point. It always gave me a good laugh
>>724549239>while for eastern devs or even indies it's a rule of good game design.Not for long. Studios from the east are already getting infiltrated by Ethics Committees and both eastern studios and indie studios are more directly cockblocked by Payment Processors. Nobody is allowed to have fun. You won't have anywhere left to turn to. That's their goal.
I bet none of you have read Dan Pinchbeck's 2009 university thesis.https://pure.port.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/6033550/Dan_Pinchbeck_PhD_2009.pdf
>>724548354kindred are strong enough to rip a head off without potence
>>724545484lelmost hl2 mods these days have that option. they started out making hl2 mods so i'm not sure why it would be such an afterthought for them.
I think I'm gonna write my first ever negative review for a game, this shit is still way too highly rated cause of all the retards dumb enough to actually buy it
>>724549202Ian Thomas joined the project to replace Pinchbeck as narrative director. He created Malk Fabien. And he says that before the Fabien pivot the game was "much more combat focused".>Thomas admits that Fabien wasn’t originally part of Bloodlines 2. Phyre initially had a different character living in their head, but early audiences found “it’s just depressing to be around these two people.” Two years ago, The Chinese Room came up with the idea of Fabien and a gameplay loop that would alternate between his remembered investigations and Phyre’s far more combat-focused nights.> “There are a lot of people who don’t want [combat] as their primary method of playing the game. They want other methods of play, other things they can do, and there’s an awful lot of story that we wanted to get into this game,” he said. “Two years ago, I think it’s fair to say that it would have been much more combat-focused.”https://www.polygon.com/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-gamescom-preview/
>>724549360don't overthink it, its a gay anime thing
>>724549404I usually don't even care about FOV but in this game, the only defensive option other than dodging is dodging into the enemy which counts as a parry. If you mistime it, you dodge right PAST the enemy and get completely disoriented because of the 80 FOV perspective. It's ridiculous
>>724549246It fits Safia in general just because she wants to weaken the court and its a nice way to torment Gideon's tormentors. Lou and Campbell know they were behind the original set and there is no Santiago, so it happening again is for them.
>>724549449>The Chinese Room came up with the idea of Fabien and a gameplay loop that would alternateThanks for confirming the retarded walking sim sections were always in TCR's version.>Fabien wasn’t originally part of Bloodlines 2Yes originally as in when HSL was making it. TCR was always gonna include walking sim shit because that's what they doNo more (you)s because you're just gonna continue going down your list of marketing talking points
>>724549404Half-Life 2 didn't originally have an FOV slider. It in fact intentionally zoomed in the FOV compared to Half-Life 1 because they wanted to emphasize character faces.
>>724549449Two years. Two fucking years to add that fucking nonsense and now:>>724534956>In future updates, we’re looking at including features such as an FOV slider, new save game options, custom difficulty settings that include the ability to play only Phyre’s side of the story on your second playthrough, as well as additional customization options.They're scrambling to make it skippable? The shit they spent TWO FUCKING YEARS working on instead of working on literally anything else? Unbelievably fucking retarded! Holy shit!
>>724549385To be frank, nothing in his published work made it seem remotely worthwhile to track it down.>>724549543>Yes originally as in when HSL was making it. Where are you getting that from; the MC was a a thinblood in HSL's version. There's was no mention of said MC being a host to another consciousness in that version.
>>724549650Imagine taking a half-finished game, adding something to it, and when the game comes out, every single person wants to skip past the shit you added kek
>>724549543TCR's VTMB2 has been in development for about 5 years. It was originally written and directed by Dan Pinchbeck, but he left in mid-2023, handing over to Alex Skidmore and Ian Thomas. You may notice that 2023 was two years ago. After Pinchbeck left, the character Fabien was rewritten from a thinblood into a Malkavian detective that you played as. There were many other rewrites, but that's the most structurally impactful one.
>>724549650>>724549725No, it's more that you can't skip it on replays. The Fabien sequences are critical to the story, but they make replaying the game with different clans worse pacing-wise because Fabien's flashbacks never change.
>>724549248Holy shit. Holy fucking shit. But why the hell would a random dude sucks the cock of a mediocre forgettable writer for years....Pinchbeck. Is that you, man? What would you have done different if they hadn't fired you?
>>724549248Dear Esther is kino.
>>724549707Not a fan of his games or his imitators, I take it? Regardless, it's a pretty interesting read because it drills down into the core nature of videogames a storytelling medium, particularly first person shooters.
>>724549924Nah it isn't. It's pretentious as fuck and stupid. The only walking sim worse than Esther is Ethan Carter, and that's because Ethan Carter is that bad.
>>724550049Dear Esther is essentially a semi-interactive poetry art piece.
>>724550049Maybe he meant it in literal sense. Kino as a movie since there's no gameplay to be found.
>>724549068They somewhat nerfed her tits but improved her face as a tradeoff.
>>724550082/tv/ here, that doesn't make it automatically kinoDear Esther is a flick at best
>>724540287Oh, now, the two shills are crossing over.
>>724549539So petty vengenace, then? I don't know seems a lot of work for what little it gives, especially with the whole main plot she has going. She does have the means, though.I mean, I guess it fits well enough, and that's all we're asking of it so far.>>724549994Not a fan of his prose either.I just don't see what those that love his stuff see in it, and it has given me no reason to dig deeper.Old art installations made the point better and more succint, seems to me. 18h39 comes to mind
>>724550419>two non-gameplay games for tumblr/critical role audiencemakes sense as a crossover
>>724539718I'm more bothered by the plot point of not sending her to Lou.Why does Verona matter so much? It's not as if you were sending no one to replace her if protecting her from Lou.You *are* sending others that will risk eventually knowing the same fate. Why don't *they* matter if it's an ethical issue?I was half expecting her to be a political prize of sort through her familly, but not even.
>>724550730Because she's a named characterThe NPCs on the street aren't real. Because TCR are fucking retards
>>724550818>>724550730My understanding is that Lou very rarely kills people. She absolutely does sometimes and gets away with it, but Lou feeding on you isn't THAT dangerous. Putting her in the company of a high-class blood doll is a very dangerous combo because a blood doll needs a vampire that gives a shit, and Lou does not give a shit. She will be dead in a week.
I don't care what the other clans say, I like the Tremere. They just wish they had magic and are jealous that the Tremere bane is little more than just a mild, occasional inconvenience.
>>724551171You missed a step there. Why does being a high class blood doll mean she will die?
>>724551217Do you play mages in other RPGs? It's my go-to class and that's probably why I like Tremmies
>>724551219Lou will only feed on "high class" people. It's her Ventrue thing. So she can't feed on low class blood dolls. She can't feed on riff-raff. Verona is a bit unique because she's a blood doll, but she comes from money. Her family has history. (Southern plantations.) So it's really the worst of both worlds. She's exactly what Lou likes, and she has an addicted personality where she is going to pressure Lou to drink more because she's off her rocker with feeding addiction.I will say, though, that I find the transition to her being a blood doll strange. Like, did it happen in a week or something?
>>724551217They literally stole their magics from other clans and killed everyone else who knew magic. They're the jews of VTM, they have been expulsed from 1300 heavens and it's never their own fault. Everyone hate them, not because they're Tremere, but because they're huge huge piece of shit.
>>724551557>They literally stole their magics from other clansHuh? I thought they were mages to start with and stole the vampirism rather than the magic
>>724551557Tremere are kinda Nazi scientist coded.
>>724541446An homage to bloodlines as a spiritual successor would have had most of the marketing benefits without such a clash of expectation. A direct sequel implies a level of continuity, narratively, thematically or mechanically, that bloodlines 2 seems to lack.
>>724551217Saved.I was looking for that photo for ages.What's the source?
>>724551653That's it, they stole vampirism by experimenting on vampires (mostly gangrels and Tzomisces if memory serves), to try and bypass the fact that, magick withdrawing from the world, they could no longer be immortal as they used to.Cost tem their magic in the process, so they had to work out the mostly inferior Thaumaturgy blood magic as replacent.
>>724551856>Cost tem their magic in the process, so they had to work out the mostly inferior Thaumaturgy blood magic as replacent.Ah I forgot about that bit. Makes sense, a vampire having actual magic would be quite OP for the VTM setting
So Ryong was Campbell's ghoul. Lou straight up stole her childe's ghoul to flex on him. What a complete and utter cunt.
>>724551789>SourceI got it from another thread here, so no idea. Sorry
>>724551653Human magic doesn't translate well (or AT ALL) to vampire magic. So at the very beginning of their new unlife they were mostly just a group of ex-mage now just vampires with very scarce additional knowledge of the arcane and no real magic.I'll ignore the Salubri genocide because kindred just do. Also I'll ignore the gargoyles. Or the bloodbond of absolutely everyone. Or the other shitty things Tremere just did.In any case, the Tremere decided they'd become the #1 vampire mages. To do so, they systematically stole everything they could from Setites, Assamites, Tzimesces, and other clans, and killed everyone disagreeing, or having a shred of vampire magic.
>>724551557Tremere were already mages before they became Vampires
Where my Lasombra niggas at?
>>724534956Why don't they fix the game so that it's an actual RPG
>>724552147>ignore the Salubri genocide because kindred just do.Well, they were soul sucking Demon worshipers, so Polite Vampire society had to destroy them just like they did with Carthage
The sad thing is that they're going to make the Fabien bit facultative on replay, while what they should have done is make them interact with the present.Take, say, that moment when Tolly sends you investigate Silky/Onda/Patience to gain access to the elevator. You could have had to do only one per playthrough, and then you could have made all of them significantly impact the present. Gives you incentive to replay the segment.Silky you can talk about the werewolf friend later while being the nomad, whichis a nice touch and something the game needed a lot more.>>724551921I totally missed that. Where do you get that bit of info?
>>724535828Or a better game.
>>724552293I have to say, the implementation of Shadow Step was both very fun and totally OP.
>>724552339Also, they don't exist.
>>724552453Play Dishonored sometime
>>724552469except in the Sabbat and in Africa, and in the Himalayas.
>>724551557>>724551658They WERE kind of Nazi coded. WERE. With the Pyramid in tatters though, kindred are trying to scoop up the now rapidly growing number of "free agents" like the allies did with all the Nazi scientists. The remaining one that are still sticking together but not clinging to the remnants of the pyramid are trying to carve out a new place, for better or worse, but either way still different. They have to, now that they can't blood bond other kindred anymore. It was actually one of the V5 changes I actually liked.Though yeah, what's left and loyal to the pyramid are still pretty shitty, if not even worse than before. The "true believers" and worst exploiters of what was an already one of the more fucked kindred institutions being all that's left doesn't bode well for anyone...
VTMB 1 remaster when
>>724552475I did. I don't think there's a Blink version that does just what Shadow steps here does (though I haven't played Death of the Outsider).Daud is /great/ for the time stopping. Corvo has the lentgh and kinetic impact on hit (something the Toreador version somewhat shares), Emily has the weird curvature, so to speak which alllows interesting trajectories.Shadow Step as an alternative variation is fun in that it has no physicality, and it puts you right behind the target. It's so abusable.
>>724552847I didn't mean that Dishonored has a *teleports behind u* spell, just that it's the VTMB2 stealth gameplay if done by a real devBlinking up to the operator of a walker to take him out mid-air was as kino as shadow step thoughAlso, a lot of the relocate abilities in VTMB2 seem abusable. I did most of the combat encounters just using possession and auto-recharging powers to let enemies kill each other
>>724552806It holds up surprisingly well compared to other games in that era.
>>724552225Yeah, bad mages. Ones that couldn't figure out another way to fix their failing immortality methods before their leaders fucked them over with their "brilliant" plan to become vampires, and thus losing all access to REAL magic forever.Meanwhile, several other mage groups are still managing their life extending methods just fine, just to rub salt in the Tremere wounds.
>>724552343I don't remember when it's mentioned, but the wiki confirms it.>Ryong was originally the business manager and ghoul of JJ Campbell, having met him in the 1990s. She proved so efficient at managing the Prince's fiscal assets that his sire Lou Graham chose to Embrace her, much to Campbell's disgruntlement.Speaking of Tolly, was Tolly feeding info to the IAO? I kinda got that vibe. He seemed to know way too much about Baker, you siring Baker, and everything else.
>>724552806>le heckin' remasterinokill yourself unironically
I was dreaming about a Tremere waifu since time immemorial and Safia is what I get.Fuck Bloodlines 2.
Has there ever been a "gameplay" decision that transparently wastes as much of your time as the Fabien sections? Every single one could have been a 2min cutscene
>>724553114To be fair, "hey, let's become vampires because lol, lmao" was Goriatrix's idea.
>>724553189The dream sections for Mass Effect 3 because there is literally nothing in them.
>>724553262Oh absolutely, I forgot about those cause I always mod them out kekEerie how similar they are to the Fabien sections, actually
>>724552806A VTMB1 remaster or remake is something that a lot of companies would like to make happen, but the rights split between Activision and Paradox is annoying.
>>724553189The purpose of the Fabien sequences was to make the game less action oriented, to slow the pacing down. Yes, they could have been cutscenes. But they wanted to reorient VTMB2's gameplay formula using them.
>>724553456>to slow the pacing downDamn so why are they currently working on making them skippable? Did your lord and savior TCR suddenly stop caring about pacing?
>>724553359I wonder if that's changed now that Microsoft owns Activision. If Paradox do it with the aim of making it a game pass thing, Microsoft would crumble. They show that they don't really care about anything else.
>>724553557I hope it stays in rights limbo forever. Fuck zoomers and their retarded need for remasters
>>724552973>a lot of the relocate abilities in VTMB2 seem abusableI think they all are, a potential design issue magnified by how easy to get other clan passives are. I do think you should have been able to get those /only/ after getting all of a clan's active abilities. Getting the Tremere/Toreador/Ventrue ones for fastened refill is such a no brainer, and it trivializes a lot of the altready easy encounters (I don't really begrudge the easiness in and off itself though, it *is* meant to be a power fantasy).>>724553119>TollyTolly seems like a conniving little shit trying to play all sides. Which is fitting for his role, he is the spymaster equivalent.I mean, there's a reason ha apparently has an ending in which he becomes Prince.
>>724534956>It's like if The Fade from Dragon Age had a baby with Human Revolution's Missing Link DLC.Damn, this game must suck arse
>>724553548>Damn so why are they currently working on making them skippable?Because due to their linearity they're less impactful on replays. Imagine if I asked you if you wanted to replay Amnesia: The Bunker or Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs 5 times in a row. You'd probably choose the more mechanically focused Bunker.Bear in mind, they have zero intention of making the Fabien sequences skippable on your first playthrough. It's only when replaying. And they haven't decided how they'll approach it. Maybe they'll replace the flashbacks with a very brief cutscene, or something. Point being, if you're playing the game for the gameplay as it were, they want to make replays easier.
>>724553814Why doesn't the pacing matter on replays, shill?
>>724553619VtMB could benefit from one because it was on such a broken version of Source. It's difficult to mod. You can't even add custom weapons, can only edit what's already there. Of course a remaster would probably fuck a lot of things up and not work properly either but at least it would give a chance for full mod tools to actually fix everything.
>>724554145kek yeah, you're dreaming if you think a modern remaster would easily let you mod shit
>>724553845Because when you're replaying the game your focus is different. Again, walking sims as a genre were never oriented around replaying with maybe the exception of Dear Esther which randomized the monologue so that you heard different passages each time. When first playing VTMB2, the focus is on unpeeling the layers of the mystery. Once you have unpeeled it, then going through the motions of unpeeling it over and over again is sorta redundant. The Fabien sequences were designed to make the game feel less like an action game and more story driven and slow paced. This isn't ideal when replaying, so some people (some, not most, not all) will prefer the option to skip or streamline, who knows, Fabien's sequences on their 4th replay.
>>724554196>Again, walking sims as a genre were never gamesOh I know
>>724554262Cry more.
>>724554406No need to cry about anything. Public perception of TCR is that they ruined this game, and no one liked the Fabien sections even on a first playthroughYou lost. Everything you have been arguing against for years has come to pass
>>724552806Fuck off with your shitty remasters, faggot
>>724554482People love the Fabien stuff, though. Most people wish the game was just a walking sim.
(you)
>>724536214Why do you avatarfag as underage anime girls in every thread?
>>724554482Public perception is that this is Bloodlines. If you talk about Bloodlines, this is what people think of. Some might call that winning.
>>724554582find a fire and die in it
>>724554145A remaster would probably be on UE, which is several order of magnitudes (we're talking DLL injections at the basest) harder to mod for.With UE you can really just change models. Which is where all the big titted models come from, it's relatively easy to mod for big titted models.UE has absolutely no mod support beyond that. A large part of what made the VtMB modding scene is that it's internal logic is simply written in Python and anyone can code new dialogues and new characters with a little bit of scripting. Doing the same with any UE project is possible, but two order of magnitudes harder.Which is also why VTMB2 will never be fixed by mods, lmao
Predict and list the DLCs. How do you think Paradox will milk even this game?
>>724554886>Which is also why VTMB2 will never be fixed by mods, lmaoWell that and the fact you'd have to change the whole story and dialogue with some OC
>>724554715Kill yourself.
>>724554925You know, I hadn't considered that. Everyone had a big fit about the launch DLCs to the point they had to walk it back, but now that the game released and everyone saw how worthless it is, no one cares anymore. So they're free to fleece the people retarded enough to get invested in this
>>724554925There are only two known DLCs, but they've officially stated they are in the process of gathering feedback. There are likely Paradox employees in this thread right now listening to us, taking notes. They are going to make a range of improvements in response to feedback and complaints. There will be regular updates over the next several months.
>>724554925All DLC will be free updates except for the two paid story DLCs.
>>724554925I don't think there will be any milking. They will release their updates and patches, release the DLC and then move on as fast as possible.
They want this to sell 15+ million copies. So yea, they're milking it.
>>724555024Here is a Lou plush for this trying time.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/9285D28so12q4jfMGLcAIw/Thanks for reminding me of how desperate you were to generate buzz about this game
>>724555647Given the daily threads with zero sign of stopping and the fact any mention of Bloodlines is now synonymous with Fabien, Phyre, Ryong, and Tolly...
>>724541386>Yeah it's absolute dogshit with maybe one redeeming quality, not really tho>If it had called itself something else than Bloodlines and rewrote the story entirely and the characters & the gameplay & fleshed out the game & made an inventory system & made a character sheet & implemented skills it could have been a great game
>>724555869good joke anon lol
>>724556041I like how he said daily threads, while neglecting to mention that we're discussing VTMB1 most of the time, and that this current thread was clearly made by him
Not to mention the absolutely PHYRE soundtrack.https://youtu.be/VdWGtVAIwmc
>>724556113>while neglecting to mention that we're discussing VTMB1 most of the timeWe are?
>>724556113Honestly I use these threads to discuss VTM in general
>>724556113Bloodlines games will come and go. In time, you will all see that Swansong is eternal.
>>724534956Fuck you
>>724556226Why not go to /tg/ then?
>>724556403>SwansongBought that on sale this morning. I'm finishing up the visual novels so hoping for more vampirekino
>>724556498I thought Swansong was a VN as wellWhat gameplay does it have?
Last time I played Swansong the game literally did not save
>>724556539I think it's an interactive game like the old telltatle games compared to visual novels which are just books with dynamic backgrounds/sounds.
>>724556539>What gameplay does it have?It's a fairly direct adaptation of the tabletop. You have your stat sheet, you have your skills, you have your disciplines, and everything is decided with dice rolls.
>>724556539I'll never understand how so many people, maybe a majority of people, got it into their head that a game that looks like this is a VN.
>>724556824
>>724556824I wish Swansong were more like Bloodlines, and Bloodlines 2 were more like Swansong. The perfect VTM game lies somewhere between the two extremes.
>>724556824lack of combat probably
>>724556487wod community in /tg/ is a circlejerk with secondaries shitposting. is not bad but don't expect too many serious discussions at least in my experience. we could use some oldfags who actually now more about the game
>>724556487No one on /tg/ actually plays the games they talk about. In regards to vtm for example its a bunch of people pretending they play V20 while ignoring anything regarding V5 when they also haven't played it and just parrot opinions they heard on YouTube and reddit
It's so weird to see people look at all this through the lense of some sort of conflict that has to be won or lost.Sad metaphor framing to a sad life.>>724554925Dear lord, they work fast. Silly people we are.>>724556824It's basically a classic point & click with RPG mechanics tacked on. I guess to some people, no action sequence = VN.
>>724557885V5 is the quintessential reddit edition, anon. I'm sorry /tg/ isn't like your reddit threads but you can always go back
>>724558225Oh look here's one now
What is curious is that the final chapter in the game has very different sidequests. They're far more complex and story-driven. So what happened to all the other ones?
>>724558292There is no way this is true, and no one can call you out because literally no sane person did more than one sidequest per NPC
>>724557885Hey, I haven't posted in the wod general for a short while but I do play games - both heavily modified Revised and V5 actually.It's just so tiresome to deal with both the constant negativity and having to correct people on mistakes that they'll continue parroting anyway. I don't have it in me for a repeat right now.And I can attest there are others playing games in those threads, not just the resident lore lawyers.
>>724557885the best discussions generally happen outside of the dedicated generals. I frequent /lit/ and the science fiction and fantasy gneral there and some of the best books about science fiction and fantasy have been outside of /lit/. Sounds like it's the same for WoD and /tg/
>>724558547The fact this game has worse side-quests than its 20 YEARS OLD predecessor will never not be funny to me, you could tell they did not give a fuck.
>>724557885>when they also haven't played it and just parrot opinions they heard on YouTube and redditsame as here then
>>724558804Yeah they don't care about anything but the Fabien parts, and even there they only care about the dialogue and none of the """""""""""""""gameplay"""""""""""""""
>>724558804If you read the dev diaries it sounds like the narrative was restructured or something.>Taking place after pivotal moments in the main questline, these adventures will offer you the chance to explore Seattle at your own pace. You will be visiting its Clan leaders, keeping the competition at bay and making decisions that will affect the outcome of your journey as Phyre. These are stuffed with Narrative and lore and I'll be taking you from the depths of the underground to the snow-capped high-rise rooftops.Pretty much all the quests that have any kind of story to them are shoehorned into the critical path. You don't really take them at your own pace.
>>724558547Some of the sidequest chains feel extremely unfinished. But others foreshadow stuff that is going to happen in future, like the fact the Tremere are preparing to set up shop.
>>724559203they already set up shop, a coffee shop
>>724559016Nonshills didn't read that shit, playa!
>>724558804I thought "oh man these sidequests are bad" when one of them was just a literal fetch and/or delivery questBut then you talk to the Toreador chick I think and her sidequest is literally just "get these collectibles that are already being tracked in your menu anyway". I lack the words to describe how ridiculous this is
>>724558292I don't know that I would go that far, but yeah, near endgame is the only moment I noticed things being a bit more immediately reactive (I mentioned up thread the Nomad being able to use the werewolf bit gathered from the Fabien investigation of Silky, for one).It also has more directly understandable and knowable narrative consequences to simple choices (tell Ryong you intend on staying, and you'll be staying in the end).But still very much feels lacking, I would say on the C&C front.>>724558804The thing I gathered from Still Wakes the Deep and this game is that I don't think TCR gets writing for the medium.Might be an uncharitable take, but overall they don't seem to understand the pacing to non-linear, choice driven narrative at the very least.
>>724559423My issue is this. Being given targets to assassinate shouldn't be dull. How did they end up making it dull? Maybe because the game sends you directly to the target and you have to put absolutely no work into stalking them, killing them, and escaping?
>>724559423I'm not gonna pretend every VTMB1 side-quest was a masterpiece COUGH COUGH the graveyard protection COUGH COUGH but at least they all had variety and cool shit to them. You could go through hunting a serial killer, getting jumped by a schizo plastic surgeon, rescuing a guy from vampire hunters...And what did we get in the sequel with all this new technology? REPEAT THE COPY PASTE TASK 6 TIMES IN A ROW. Wow... gaming truly has progressed. Into the fucking end-times, genhenna can not come soon enough.
>>724559016that description is what the PM scoped out, what we got is what the workers actually did
>>724557885V5 is dogshit
>>724559640It's because they're not sidequests, they're Ubislop tier random activitiesSidequest implies there is some writing to it
>>724559758t. LARPer
>>724559423The Patience bit I found extemely aggravating. You expect some significant pay off out of it given the importance of the crosses in the plot.At the very least I was expecting implication that she was the one that built the fake replicas and was using you to remove incriminating evidence under the pretense of upgrading her sculpture (which she doesn't once you're done).But nope, nothing, the threads cut right there.
>>724541386LMAO, come back after 12 hours of walking simulator
>>724559817There is some writing. You are told about the target and why they need to die (allegedly) but there needs to be MORE. You need to like case their apartment and stuff. There needs to be steps to it.
>>724560098This made me realize that walking sim devs make walking sims because they can't cut it in movies or literature, but they're not actually competent enough to make a real vidya story either, because that actually requires writing something other than just the main linear quest
>>724560436>walking sim devs make walking sims because they can't cut it in movies or literatureYes
>anarchs openly slaughtering cops in a park>WARNING: IMMINENT MASQUERADE BREACH IN 4 MINUTES AND 20 SECONDS!!!
>>724559490>>724559963To expand I guess, on what I meant about TCR not knowing how to write for the medium: see, /as a reader/, I can intuit the whole Patience bit easily. The issue is that there is no payoff *in the game*, no choices for the Nomad to make on what was a relatively significant narrative element THAT WAS TIED TO GAMEPLAY.You can leave some elements to be worked out by the player, but not those tied to the action of the playable character, or it renders them insignificant.
>using 3 different faggy ways of emphasizing text
>>724560679takes a while to realize they aren't just methed out junkies
>>724559838LARPer is not an insult to vampire fans, secondary.
>>724549385>>724560436>>724560806A core point of Pinchbeck's thesis is that story is gameplay. That the gameplay vs story paradigm doesn't have to exist. And philosophically, you see a lot of that in everything from Dear Esther to VTMB2. The payoff is... the doing. What is the payoff of Dear Esther? Well, you hear narration while you walk and feel vibes. The thing is, though, these sidequests are not what Pinchbeck would have made. They are mechanical fluff. They do not really contribute to the structure. The thesis actually goes rather in depth into the FPS landscape from Doom 3 to STALKER, talking about the ways in which they conceptualize narrative, agency, and environment progression.
>>724560939>secondaryfag language
>>724560679>Make their bodies bulge up into a gore explosion.>Masquerade saved.Honestly though, I'm willing to let some of that fly. But it is goofy and groan-inducing at best.
>>724560939LARPing yuropoors are not real vtm fans. No wonder they hate V5 they have to actually roll dice
I would give the game a solid 6/10 if it didn't force me to do Fabien shit, which brings it down to like a 3/10
>>724561045Shut the fuck up shill
>>724561045I dont give a fuck about what some fat retard wrote 16 years ago. Dear Esther has no gameplay. Thats like saying turning the pages of a book is gameplay
>>724561074You mean the same europoors that made the V5 version you're defending? lmao
>>724561092That's almost word for word exactly what I told a friend who wanted to know how the game turned out
>>724561252I said LARPING yuropoors retard, and anyway it was published by Europeans but written by an American company (Renegade)
>>724561045>the gameplay vs story paradigmTrouble here, as you noted, is that we don't have story vs gameplay, we have story and gameplay *conjoined*.When set up appropriately, each can enhance the impact of the other When not, what we have is a complete removal of the double suspension of disbelief.
>>724541567Western RPG fans are living good, though? We have Underrail 2 coming, Larian exists and is making 2 new RPGs, while Owlcat is releasing Dark Heresy soon, with Exodus after that, and who knows what after that. There are RPGs out there for people who care. This game is, of course, not a RPG, and it would take a retard to pay for this slop.
>>724561045Interesting stuff when you think about Fabien.
are vampires asleep during the day, or dead?
>>724561571
>>724561598Kindred are always dead
>>724561598Whatever the writers decide they should be. WoD has always been wishy-washy about it.
>ugh gameplay and story are so hard to integrate, so let's just remove all the gameplay
>>724558547I did all of the side quests. "far more" is doing a lot of heavy lifting by this dude. Instead of being just a "bring package X to this location", the location has a single enemy there as well. Woah! They are complex like 1 is far more than 0. Some dev probably spent 10 minutes more on them.
>>724561357The game was made and mandated by europeans because Paradox is a european company and they are the ones who call the shoots. not to mention all the V5 team are very big friends with the swedish LARPers, dear secondary
>>724559736>I'm not gonna pretend every VTMB1 side-quest was a masterpiece COUGH COUGH the graveyard protection COUGH COUGH but at least they all had variety and cool shit to them.Even then, there are many ways to approach and solve that quest, There's nothing like it in
>>724562091Can't you say you don't wanna do it and get another quest instead from that dude? Imagine having reactivity in your RPG, what a concept
>>724560679We've come a long way from "We're livin' in an age of cellphone cameras, so please don't be a giant retard and do flagrant vampire shit in front of the mortals."
>>724561598They are asleep in a way, in the tabletop they have to do a diceroll to stay awake during the day.
>>724562134Yep, you can go find him a prostitute instead lmao. TCR would never have the balls for that, even while plastering "sex work is work" signs and having 80% of the NPC be streetwalkers
>>724562387Don't act like prostitution was ever been anything other than controversial.
>>724562492I never said or even remotely implied that. However, your post takes it as a given that controversial topics cannot be portrayed in video games. You proved my point more thoroughly than I ever could have
>>724562134you can take over the watch and fight zombies instead
>>724539718We must be better men, Nomad.
>>724560679>Anarchs killing police for no reason and with total disregard for law and order of the CamarillaSounds very Seattle-coded>>724562141We're in an even bigger espionage age as is repeatedly stated in V5 and somehow>Morties don't give a shit some guy dressed like he's from the middle-east jumps from buildings>no one looking outside on their apartment>no one on the street is on their phone in the big 24/25>Phyre running through probably 15 thousand street cameras in an hour which the one Nos has to take care ofIt's hilariously poorly thought out
>>724563462>which the one Nos has to take care ofNow that you mention it, I think I remember one line about Tolly having to take care of the aftermath. I think it was after you wipe out the hunters, about making the bodies disappear
>>724563563>the singular Nosferatu in a relatively large American cityIt's pretty hilarious considering he has to be monitoring you 24/7 in case you start breaching the masquerade though perhaps you can assume that gameplay convenience as non-canon
>>724563462The point of the game is that the masquerade cannot be maintained. It's delusional. The fact the character who primarily talks about the masquerade is Fabien, and he's nuts and possibly an unwitting serial killer, is the icing on the cake.
>>724536214Sex with Dorkness!
>>724563734stupid
>>724563734>The point of the game is that the masquerade cannot be maintained.Wrong, secondary. The Sabbat never cared about the masquerade anyway and it's a sabbat who pisses all over it in this game
>>724563734>the point of the game is the people we're afraid to make look sympathetic in the slightest are actually absolutely rightI don't think so
>>724539221>NO SAR THAT IS NOT BEING THE TRUTHFUL SARShut the fuck up Ranjesh.
The sweltering hot summer of '18 in Grozny
>>724563734>The point of the game is that the Masquerade can't be maintainedIncorrect, it's a theme in V5 to replace the ante's waking up but it's relatively not a core component of the game considering that the masquerade breaching only occurs because of one insane blood bound Tremere and a Lou being a power hungry backstabber. There's never a real explicit focus on the Masquerade in this game at least compared to the 1st game with you dealing with actual masquerade breaches and the ramifications of those occurring. This is a post V5 game though so the SI basically knows all the vampires practically>>724563895This too, the sabbat have their own masquerade following to not be suicidally inclined but low tier packs just act like enraged nocturnal methheads
this is a question directed at oldfags, I know is dumb but, how does the sabbat manages to stand against the camarilla? as far as I understand it the camarilla is 7 clans, and the sabbat just 2, so how they have enough man power to carry their war against them?
>>724563734>the point of the game is that the faction who has always been hilariously evil even for vampires no matter how many sourcebooks they got in the TTRPG are actually rightYeah no secondary
>>724564237>There's never a real explicit focus on the Masquerade in this game at least compared to the 1st game with you dealing with actual masquerade breaches and the ramifications of those occurring.One of the first things you find in the game is newspaper articles talking about superheroes in the streets. Everyone knows that something is going on. They don't know it's vampires per se, but the whole keeping humans in the dark thing isn't working.
>>724564246they don't, but they do mass embrace a lot to even it a little
>>724564246Same way Cerberus in Mass Effect 3 somehow became a military force capable of going up against the entire AllianceThey're the bad guy faction don't worry about it
>>724564246the Sabbat also have Antitribu which are the edgy Sabbat versions of the other clansThey are also not so strict about embraces so when they're found out they can replenish their numbers with shovelheads fairly quicklythey still mostly operate like incompetent terrorist cells outside of latam and some other FINE places
>>724564246They can't, which is why they never engage in open warfare with the Camarilla because they'd get slaughtered. They use Mass Embrace to essentially mass produce meat shields.
>>724563734>>724563826>>724563895>>724564012>>724564237>>724564257The fact remains it's just not working, and it's not going to work.
>>724564345That's always the case though that there's an occasional breach, but it comes across is schizobabble until people are aware. Such a paper realistically wouldn't be allowed to get published but maybe Lou burnt all of her bridges capable of stopping it
>>724564246>how does the sabbat manages to stand against the camarillaIt doesnt and also prior to V5 the Lasombra were part of the Sabbat, and there are also antitribu from all clans in it sabbat
>>724564539its working fine
>there are no choicesOh so just like 1?>the combat is rote and boringOh so just like 1?>all the Camarilla higher ups are retardedOh so just like 1?>the masquerade doesn't matterOh so just like 1?
>>724564539Obviously someone who has never read any source material. The Masquerade is more important now than it has ever been since without it the SI would destroy the Kindred easily. And given the rise of AI the Masquerade has gotten easier to maintain.
>>724564630>Poodoo Patel just clocked in
>>724564539Yes but it's simply not a big aspect of 2, and rather it's an overall focus of 5 which everyone rightfully hates as it's nonsense>Vampires control an organized propaganda machine to keep Vampires as horror movie antagonists with bad information>They have ghouls and vamps in government, the news, culture>Somehow this evaporates overnight relative to 1500 years of vampire rulership because fast cameras or something and the internet despite having hacker legions of unemployed neets that can turn invisibleIt's just V5 nonsense man
>>724564583I thought Lasombra are the christcuck vampires. Surely they'd be looking for forgiveness from God rather than trying to use His punishment to rule over the entire earth
>>724564719Salubri are the redemption goody-two-shoes fags even post Tremere autism. Lasombra are more like like mob schemer vamps, controlling religious organizations and all that
>>724564690>Obviously someone who has never read any source material. The Masquerade is more important now than it has ever been since without it the SI would destroy the Kindred easily.They are going to destroy the kindred. The source material is pulling the same bullshit Resident Evil pulls where the viruses never kill everyone because then they can't make another cash grab sequel.
>>724564813Well unfortunately for you the sourcebooks are canon, not your headcanon
>>724564525>They can't,i mean i don't know if I'm missing something here but back in the v20 and previous vampire versions weren't the sabbat like a big threat? i'm feeling that there's a part of the puzzle here missing about what makes them so dangerous, even other vampires seemed terrorized of them
I still can't get over the fact that the "correct" choice is to embrace a hunter
>>724564932I believe they're a threat less so because of their fighting power and more because they don't give a flying fuck about the Masquerade and actively try to break it and get rid of it completely.
>>724564948I'm so glad I finished this piece of shit last night so I could uninstall it. I sucked Lou's balls for the entire game and told Katsumi to go fuck her ugly scarred face at every turn and I still got forced into the shitty Anarch ending that I didn't want.
>>724565095Shouldn't they first make sure they have the structures in place to rule over mortals before they go around shattering the masquerade? Otherwise they will just get slaughteredHonestly, the more I read about these guys, the more they sound like a poorly thought-out faction that was only designed to provide enemy encounters for players
>>724564948Well she did seek you out, so she's probably a particularly morally compromised Hunter
>>724565239>Honestly, the more I read about these guys, the more they sound like a poorly thought-out faction that was only designed to provide enemy encounters for playersThats because that's exactly what they are, don't let secondaries and V20 larpers try to tell you otherwise
Hey, so what is wrong with Seattle? There's something wrong with the city that gets alluded to throughout the story, and seems related to how/why Gideon was able to survive so long.
>>724565371Murder yourself V5 tranny
>>724565465See here's one now
>>724541386>it's not THAT bad>stealth is broken>Fabien sections>dumb plot>boring repetitive map>MMO tier sidequests>very little meaningful choicesyeah, it's WORSE, we aren't hating it enough
>>724565239>to rule over mortalsThey already do that, though. Latin America is Sabbat's bitch and they're circling North America too.>Otherwise they will just get slaughteredSabbat elders don't give a fuck about humans and have 0 reason to be afraid of them. They could wipe out even the strongest of humans in a blink. The real threat to them are the Camarilla elders, not humans.
>>724565590>Latin America is Sabbat's bitchOpenly? With every human knowing about vampires?
>>724565494>>stealth is brokenIt's not broken, it's just that they didn't really design it for ghosting.>Fabien sectionsI love my waddling detective.>dumb plotBest VTM plot since Swansong.>boring repetitive mapIt's just a backdrop, like LA Noire.>MMO tier sidequestsThey're an afterthought, but I hope they improve them.>very little meaningful choicesSo it's a Bloodlines game.
>>724565816Shut the fuck up shill
>>724565663Do you think the cartels running death squads, mass graves and human trafficking in Latin America are hiding from anything? lmao
>>724565816>It's not broken, it's just that they didn't really design it for ghosting.Enemies can see you through the floor consistently and sometimes they see you through walls, the webm is proof of that.
>>724566080The NPC in question is bugged and partially through the wall.
>>724565492>the tranny speaks
>>724565816>So it's a Bloodlines game.Kill yourself troon. You never played the first game. Fucking Sadoosh the Shill at it again.
>>724565816Yes, very true
>>724566154yeah, that's a problem and happens often, they can also ses through the floor if they are right above or bellow you, I tried going full stealth and I know how bad it is
>>724554925Since there's very little reactivity to your clan choice I think adding new clans shouldn't be too difficult with the exception of Malkavian and Nosferatu.
>>724568905Gangral would also be hard
>>724568905>NosferatuIncorrect, Tolly proves that Nossies can just go wherever they want in the open
>>724569558depends how ugly they are, tolly doesn't look supernaturally disfigured, just a hunchback with some tumors
Cute vampire wife
>>724569725It's not only about being ugly. It's that the clan itself is considered disgusting, rat munching nasty, disease infested ghouls. Nosferatu are at best tolerated, and that's only when they're useful from providing information. They shouldn't even have a place at the table. If only the Chinese Room actually understood the lore they're using.
>>724570097>Nosferatu are incorrectly portrayed as acceptedDamn... so just like 1 then?
>>724570097>Nosferatu shouldn't have a place at the Camarilla tablebruh...
>>724534956how about making a game that isn't total crap? have they tried that? also, i like the dialog boxes and the overall dialog of the hardsuit version way more. it was just way better, simply put. can't really put my finger on it, but everything i saw in the hardsuit demo just looked way better. more grimy and gritty and just cooler. the game we have now looks like a polished turd, to be perfectly honest, while the hardsuit labs version looked cool and gritty and real. parashit made a mistake when they dropped hardsuit labs and pondsmith over stupid woke bullshit.
>>724535981she does look hot. love bitches who constantly look at me disapprovingly like i constantly am doing wrong just by existing.
>>724570316>how about making a game that isn't total crap?I don't think Paradox knows how to make those when they aren't Grand Strategy games with 1 billion DLCs
>>724570316The version that Mitsoda shit out was simply too broken to salvage properly. This is the best a real dev could do with it
>>724570172>Play Nosferatu in VTMB 1>You are effectively playing an entirely different version of the gameWhat the actual fuck are you talking about? No, really. Sit there and explain to me what the goddamn hell you are talking about. The Nos VTMB1 are in the sewer or hold up in some abandoned dingy place siphoning internet connection.I hope your company goes bankrupt.
>>724570552>Play Nosferatu in VTMB 1>some people just go "damn nigga, you ugly" when you meet them>Gary not calling them back is a huge issue for the Camarilla
>>724542492yeah, and then they hired chink nigger room that spent five more years on it. they could have just continued with hardsuit, then, if that was how it was all ultimately going to go.
>>724544289ghouls feel love as being 100 percent real, so what does it matter? fuck your stupid nigger feelings! shut up!
They so blatantly ran out of time and money at the end. Sudden really shitty animation. You finally get to make a few choices but theres no pay off. Brief summary slides for an ending. At first I was pissed that I got the bad ending instead of the Lou ending despite doing everything she wanted, but after watching the other endings theres practically no difference. Immediately uninstalled after credits, forgot there was even dlc, no interest in playing them now.
>>724570742Now, that's just a bold faced lie. Why can't you people be honest about anything?
>>724570778Don't respond to the TCR shill. He just recently discovered "le HSL fake vertical slice" as a new talking point, don't give him attention for it
>>724570931what about it is a lie?
>>724570931nta but being reliant on the sewers and only being able to interact with quest critical NPCs who immediately tell you you look like an abortion is relatively unique as far as playthroughs go, and this is on top of being able to solve quests differently and using different weapons or abilities. Though the invisibility the nossies have is kind of a bit lame at the start compared to Tremere-gods
Why is VtM a cursed franchise and why are Vampire games generally poor?
>>724571676WoD is cursed due to a mixture of mismanagement and a general decline in cultural relevance
>>724572043>general decline in cultural relevanceVampires or WoD? 2bh, was WoD ever that popuilar as a TTRPG?
>>724534956include huge tits to all female characters or ill never buy it.
>>724571676it was cool in 1990s and early 2000s. The Zeitgeist was more apocalyptic back then. Now we're over two decades into the third millennium and the only thing everyone looks forward to is being replaced with a jeetcoded bot.
>>724572261VtM was the second most popular TTRPG after D&D in the 90s so WoD was certainly at the top, but it's also just general stuff like the decline of the Goth scene after the 90s and the lack of counter cultures that came after made VtM and WoD less relevant.but this wasn't the only issue
>>724565940*blocks your path*
>>724571676>why are Vampire games generally poor?they're only "poor" if you're looking forward to your corpo AAA slop of the month. many cool vampire games coming indie and AA around the corner
>>724573107>around the corner2 more weeks and suddenly vampire games will be good
>>724534956STILL SHILLING
>>724573535They will stop paying at the end of the week probably, so next week should be free of shills
>>724571676I think just a lot of the people that grab on to that IP have certain things they like or understand as the appeal whereas the whole is much more complicated
>>724565590>What was the Inquisition
>>724571676>Why is VtM a cursed franchisepicrelit was trannycoded from the beginning
>>724574459Yeah it really is mindblowing that there are still based devs who listen to fans
>>724574221>trannies are deranged sabbatards and mentally-ill torturersWhat did WHITE wolf mean by this?
>>724574975Sneaky trvke
>>724574975>supernatural undead predators aren't angels in the world of darknessomg :OO
>>724576192>starts seething when a blood doll comes up
>>724574975Total Vampire Death is the only correct take when it comes to vampires. There isn't a single good thing about them.
>>724536214they are as embarrassed about the MC as you are
>>724576350they made vtmb1, that's pretty good
>>724577041No, mages did that
>>724577146:o
did the new patch actually stop the crashing?
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>>724578516Sorry, can't say, never suffered from crashes so far.I can attest the latest GOG installer doesn't have the Halloween cosmetics though.
>>724570542he's just the writing director, it's not his fault Paradox can't hire proper devs to code the game.
>>724580996Well, it's partially his fault in that he was the one that got HSL on board. But that's the most that can be put on him on the management clusterfuck that was that project.
>>724570552He is a trantran TikTok zoomer that saw a lore "summary" on his favorite video sharing platform and now thinks he's an expert.
>>724540993>Lacroix's death.Nononono... Lacroix sisters don't tell me this game canonized his final death...
>>724570294The fucking in-game description in Bloodlines 2 references them as being distrusted and disliked by the Camarilla. Even the Chink Room knows, they just chose to ignore it.
>>724578516The only thing I think I felt was that it felt like I was getting less stutters so they must've changed something, I haven't really done any real testing, I only remember having a lot of bad stutters when in combat on the roofs especially when trying to follow the ghouls side dash while doing a heavy attack that made it very difficult and I haven't felt like I had that problem since the patch
>>724583141>My source? The people I think are wrong.bold play
>>724540993>entire plot revolves around the consequences of Lacroix's deathWhat?
>>724584325It's just some retard who is arguing the game would be equally badly received if it wasn't called VTMB2 while also saying they need to set it in the same continuity as 1 for some reason
>>724583849>the ONLY place in the entirety of VTM lore that says that is the codex in Bloodlines 2Are you fucking retarded? Wait, you're an Indian shill, of course you are.
>>724578516I havent had any crashes so far (PS5) but all of these new "cosmetic options" just simply don't exist. Were they a PC-only inclusion or something?
>>724585131You have to start a new game to access them.
>>724584490Oh I see, the game is just not well received because it's bad primarily rather than because it's a bloodlines sequel, but being a bloodlines sequel still lowers the opinion of the game
