Devs should never listen to competitive players nor cater to them.They "play" as their JOB. It's their income source. Of course they want guaranteed wins and games to be incredibly lop-sided, which is the opposite of FUN.Look at yugioh master duel. It's in its worst state ever, with dropping player numbers, all because they cater to competitive tards.
Either make Maxx C a game rule or trash the game and start over.
>>724579237No, only its counters should be removed.A game-fixing card like Maxx "C" should be allowed to do its job.
>>724579945Go shit up the other thread you retarded cunt.Fucking subhuman furry.
Maxx C should be banned because its fairer counterpart exists that only punishes combo decks (With the exception of ritual only i guess but even mitsu decksummons)Maxx C meanwhile is used by and enables solitaire decks to the point it hasnt stopped them from being meta in over ten years.
>>724580367>fairer counterpartNo such thing.Maxx "C" is already fair. See >>724579623
>>724580420>Boosts going 1st when used and still keeps going 1st strongClearly needs to be banned.
>>724581137>Boosts going 1st>BoostsGet your eyes checked, xister.
>Dead franchise kikes moaning Let it die
Having to put 3 of one card in every single deck or you lose is aids
>>724578928>Maxx "C">cater to competitive playersdid you possibly miss when more than half the participants in the World Championship selected the Roach as the card they least wanted to see in the official survey and asked for it bannedor how not even MD's biggest defenders like Judeu want Apollousa banned but Konami isn't doing it because some people paid for the alt artthe reason MD is shit is because it's catering to the *casuals* and whales, lol
>>724581878You lose anyway 70% of the time because the biggest factor is the coin toss.Maxx "C" is not the problem; modern cards are.
>>724578928Handtraps in general only make the game less fun, competetive players like to cling to this idea that they give the turn 2 player a fighting chance, when in reality that is like 1/10th of their function. and they don't even really accomplish that anymore.What handtraps have actually done to the game:>Homogenized deck Building to an extreme degree. 2 Maxx, 3 Ash, 3 Droll, 3 Fuwalos, 3 Imperm, 2 Called by, 1 Cross out. 16 cards. This is such a problem that you can safely run Cross Out and know its never going to be a dead card, without even knowing what the opponent is playing. This card that requires you to mirror a card with your opponent is seeing main deck play in every deck because its thats rampant of a problem>They aim to make non-games that floodgate the turn 1 player out of the game. Droll, Maxx, Mulcharmies, Shifter, ect. This is their end goal people will cheer for what this does to the statistics. But in reality it just means the turn 2 player is going first with a battle phase>They protect the turn 1 player. Its weird to me people champion handtraps as being this savior to the turn 2 player yet they also love the fact Ash blocks handtraps. Whats worse if you're playing a modern deck, you can likely play through a majority of lesser handtraps, while drawing free cards from your engine, which means you'll see more handtraps for you as well on top of your engine's interactions. 5+ interactions on board, secret extra negates in hand, hit them with a lingering handtrap and ensure they can't negate it. Staring down a massive field only for them to drop Droll is my personal favorite.But hey that one broken handtrap sometimes ALMOST makes the turn 2 player hit 50% win rate so I guess its worth it right?
>>724582054Would letting go 2nd draw 2 more cards fix it or break it?
>>724582054Basically this. Going first is too strong and you can't put too many cards to help you go second because you'll then brick when you do win the coin toss.In the card game it's not as egregious because you have a side deck in best of 3 and can put in the good go-second card when you know you'll go second, and go full consistency when you go first.>>724582160it would probably make going second too strong desu. which sounds crazy but it's true.
>>724581982>participants in the World Championship selected the Roach as the card they least wanted to see in the official survey and asked for it bannedExactly.Konami listened to such competitive players and hit Maxx "C". After that we entered the worst formats ever.>not even MD's biggest defenders like Judeu want Apollousa bannedAnother WCS participant? Yeah, Konami shouldn't listen to him and should ban Apollousa.
>>724582061I think what you've highlighted is the problem with OTHER handtraps, not Maxx "C".
>>724582225>hit Maxx "C". After that we entered the worst formats ever.ah yes, the reason is that a card went from 3 to 2, not that it's introduced some of the most broken going first decks of all time, at the same time. Making it impossible to be prepared for both>Konami shouldn't listen to him and should ban Apollousa.I meant he wanted it banned, along with every competitive player you'll see. And it's now banned in both paper formats, but it won't get touched in MD despite it being game-breakingly strong because it has an alt art that some piggies paid to get.
>>724582306They're all problem cards.Literally the ONLY fair handtrap is Imperm.>Not a dead card going first>Stronger effect on field but telegraphed>Helps the turn 2 player >Cant use it as secret hand negates with an established boardAny handtrap that deviates from this is a problem card. I don't care how cute the artwork is on it.
>>724579623>>724580420sub 50% winrate isn't a good thing, and that's assuming you even draw into maxx c and then manage to resolve it.It needs to get banned and there needs to be actual adequate cards that can help you break boards consistently.Konami doesn't give a shit though because the entire irl card game is just a pump and dump scheme.
>>724582549>sub 50% winrate isn't a good thingThat's why its counters should be banned.
>>724582160The game just needs to de-powercreep itself.Genesys is a great solution to a lot of this game's core problems but Konami will never adopt it, its just another meme TCG format that will come and go like Time Wizard and speed duels.
>>724582447>Cant use it as secret hand negates with an established boardthis point is completely moot, unless you're specifically on breakers, and happen to open duster or heavy storm, it's functionally the same for both first and second, which is the reason it's so universally useful.A "fair" handtrap is one you can only use going second, and that is the Mulcharmies>but they are still strongyes, otherwise they would see 0 play outside Tenpai-adjacent decks because this piece of shit game is a best of 1 and having 3-6 cards that do nothing when you go first is atrocious unless they REALLY turn the tide when you lose the coin.
>>724582225Takes a lot of fucking mental gymnastics to think Maxx C going to 2 is what made those formats bad and not all the dumb shit that remains unbanned or not limited. Plus you're dumb, the card went to 2 in the OCG following the release of Mulcharmy cards, which is also why it happened in MD.
>>724582837I disagree. I think the fact you telegraph it by setting it is enough to make it feel fair, its like playing into a standard trap card.Its also pretty easy to sniff out because most decks dont even run trap cards that can't be searched and if they search them you tend to know where they end up.
>>724582835actual community run time wizard like edison and goat is where all of the fun is at. Konami ruins everything they touch, literally. Just use the cards and have your own fun.
>>724582986I agree. I've been playing more simulators and less MD and I've been enjoying the game more.Yugioh's biggest issue will always be Konami greed
The fact is the game's been powercrept to the point where most games are decided by 1-2 interactions on the first turn, and those interactions are usually just checking if the going second player happened to draw the right card in their opening hand - there's no decision making involved. There is literally no other way for the going second player to even get solid footing in the game, because if they don't interrupt their opponent, modern endboards are full of so many layers of negates, floodgates, and interactions that they won't even get to play the game.Maxx C is absolutely dogshit card design, but the game shouldn't come down to "Did you draw Maxx C / Droll / Shifter / etc. or not?" in the first place. People are optimistic about Genesys but I don't even think that'll fix the problem, eventually there will be so many overpowered cards available in that format that they'll have to assign and maintain points values to thousands of cards, or Genesys will inevitably catch up to current modern in power level.
>>724582986Are there good automated Goat/Edison sims? The only reason I play Master Duel is because I got sick of playing retro formats on Dueling Book.
Reminder that, prior to 2014, players used to have gentlemen's agreements, like siding out Djinn Releaser of Rituals.But such players left the game since then (partially due to pends), and only the competitive ones stayed.Just look at the Patrick Hoban Djinn Releaser incident from 2014, where he broke such an agreement.Beloved Wholsome Chungus Leddit Yugituber Alex Cimo was defending that shit back in 2014. Guys like these are still around to this day.Now tell a modern yugioh player to not play a card because it ruins the game? (essentially a gentlemen's agreement)>"errrm I'd be nerfing myself!!!!"Competitive cunts ruin everything.
>>724583329I would actually say the biggest boon to Genesys having a lower power format is the removal of Link monsters.
>>724583405the only one with people playing is goat format on edopro, they don't support edison.Omega has both goat and edison but it's very hard to find games since 99% of people are there for modern.
Maxx c is a tangential argument that ignores the actual problems of the game and people spend way too much time and energy on it. The problem is if a player is allowed to play completely uninterrupted for one single turn, they will win almost every time. If your opponent goes first and you cannot stop their play, they will set up numerous negates to completely stop you from playing. If you go first and you are unable to set up your own negates, you will get OTK'd, or at the very least put in such a detrimental position the game might as well be over anyways. Roach existing or not does not change this, it is simply the strongest "stop playing now" card. Take it out and we're still in the same position. And it can't be fixed either, since the last 6 or so years of design space has made with this in mind, becoming a feature, not a bug. Especially newer decks that are templated and have designs specifically to dodge hand traps. And once those get out of hand, there will be new hand traps to stop those decks.
>>724583426>Complains about a scenario that literally only happened in competitive circles because it was only relevant in competitive circles>Talks about Hoban having a copy of releaser in his side deck during an ARG event, a situation where he was completely thrashed and actually finally convinced the TCG to ban the fucking card>>HURR COMPETIVE FAGSIt's better to not say anything than to pretend you know what you're talking about.
>>724583329>Maxx C is absolutely dogshit card designWasn't a problem card until 2016/2017.Reinforces the point: Modern cards are the problem.
Maxx C was upstart goblin for the first few years of its life, maybe pot of greed if you were lucky.
>>724583593>>Complains about a scenario that literally only happened in competitive circlesSo how do we kick out competitive cunts out of Master Duel, a game made for fun?
>>724583716Master duel is Bo1 against faceless people, where did you get the idea that it's for fun?
>>724583716Players being competitive do not some how mean they aren't playing for fun, especially in Yugioh wherein we don't have cash prizes or anything. You can't even use MD as an example because the only way people matchmake online is via ranked ladder. Like I said if you don't know what you're talking about its better to not say anything.
>>724583801>Master duel is Bo1So the exact opposite of competitive settings, where it's Bo3.Thanks for proving my point.
>>724582835the problem is that it could also be a called by or cross-out. so you're back to taking a 50/50 chance on it being this or that the same way your opponent has a chance to have an Ash you will have to play around in their 2 unknowns in hand. And even if you know about it, you're not going to play around it unless you have a way to dodge it or your opponent is bad at the game and gets baited.To be clear I don't think Imperm is unfair by any means, but it isn't any more fair than stuff like Veiler or Ogre or even some of the lesser used handtraps like Phantazmay, and definitely not because it's "telegraphed." I'm always going to play my hand with the assumption the opponent has Ash.But "fair" in the context of handtraps in my opinion is when it helps the player going second equalize and isn't actually an extra interruption on top of the already established board for the player going first.
why are modern tards such dishonest cunts?
>>724583892>exact opposite of competitive settingsAre you retarded? This is how ranked duels work in Japan. They're best of 1.
gaylord
Where banlist?
>>724583892The only way to play games in master duel without setting up something yourself with someone you already know is the ranked ladder, and events, which about a third of the time are also ranked ladders. Even if you do have a fun duel here and there, you're not ever going to see them again. "Fun" means different things to different people, but typically speaking, the fun way to enjoy card games is with friends and at the locals when you're engaging with people face to face which involves actual human interactions. You can crack jokes, you can discuss things, you can even make friends. Removing that and only playing MD cannot provide this at all, it is a competitive environment.>>724584050lmao do they actually?
https://youtu.be/hBoiluoY3wcI'm starting to think he just sucks. at times he straight up throws
>>724579623Im I feel like the first line of text is presentingitselfthe wrong way. If going first player actives Maxx c on thier first turn thier win rate is lower then if they didn't active it this is because its basically throwing the card away going -1. What they should show is the winrate of players going first activating Maxx c on the second turn which I assume is somewhere in the 90s as every time I do that the opponent usually just scoops as beating board while your opponent also has Maxx c up is almost impossible.
>>724584489>chronic Edisonbrain is bad at modernmore news at 11
Did maliss get nuked or is it still unplayable
>>724584650Literally still the best deck. especially now that everyone dropped lancea for droll
>>724584049>ashgenerally good card since every deck tutors from the deck, its not overpowered since its a one for one trade>called byYou're using this to counter graveshit in general not just handtraps>drollside deck because it isn't good against every relevant deck in the current format.
>>724584762Guess I'll wait a bit longer then
>>724583426Tournament players have been doing whatever it takes to win since forever. It's been a long standing meme that the obese player who takes the game too seriously rule sharks you. Additionally, "gentleman's agreements" in economic game theory never hold up regardless of context.
>>724584049Ash blossom is the one that perplexes me the most.Its seen 100% play in 100% of the formats with and without Maxx C since its releaseI've seen people call it badI've seen the stupid MBT "cut ash lol" video (he never did)The most punished this card has ever gotten was when snake eyes would use it with Hiita as an extenderand it still saw 100% play.
>>724585045Ash sees 100% play because it's the most generic negate. Pretty much every deck does something that it can negate, and in a game where not interrupting your opponent means you lose 100% of the time, running 3x Ash means you're likely to have at least some way of interacting with your opponent in your starting hand.
>>724579623
>>724585259I agree its strong, and its probably one of the strongest cards ever made.I'm even fine with it.But why are people gaslighting themselves into thinking its not a mandatory 3x staple
>>724585045>>724585417People don't call ash bad because its actually bad, it's because in some formats Ash being a 1 for 1 trade isn't good enough as either lots of decks have plenty of gas or search power to ignore it or straight up do not care about ash in the slightest due to having ways of chainblock or negating the card. It's always useful which is why it sees so much play but depending on the format you can cut it out or side deck it without much issues.
>>724585579Handtraps shouldn't fullstop your opponent thats why this game sucks.
>>724585405>covering his eyes to cope
Ash Blossom should be split into 3 cards, just like with Maxx "C" and the Mulcharmies, and then banned.
>>724585942Agreed, trying to out a board full of negates and then getting hit with that shit is retarded
>"AAAIIIIIIEEE BAN MAXX C IT SHOULDNT BE USED IF YOU CONTROL CARDS">Konami gives competitive tards a nerfed version of what they asked>"AAAAAAIIIIIIEEEE BAN IT IT'S TOO POWERFUL"Why are they so dishonest?
>>724586385>"Ban Maxx C">Konami makes nerfed versions>Maxx C still isn't banned
People say ash isn't that relevant because modern decks can perfectly play around, take maliss for example being able to set all their traps bypassing ash completely, instead of banning or at least limiting cards konami prefers to crate archtypes that can play around most forms of interruption to powercrept the game even further, the only to fix this would be to make a hard 180° and return to early zexal levels of powercreep
>>724586659>return to early zexal levels of powercreepAlmost like something happened around the late Zexal days... >>724583426
>>724583426>>724586749>Shoehorns in his retarded post to a completely separate post>"Compfags never existed in yugioh before 2014"Shut up.
Ghostrick lords where you at?
>>724586887>Compfags never existed in yugioh before 2014No one ever said.I can't cure your illiteracy by writing more to you.
>>724582061Well spoken.
I think the conclusion of this discussion is that handtraps are bad and negates should be banned.
>>724587843Negates are fine and healthy when they're not stapled onto 3000 atk bosses
Maze of Mamacitas cards
>>724588001Orcust and Mitsu both use negation traps, while Ryzeal uses the field spell, and Blue-Eyes has Drillbeam.Negates are always a problem.
>>724588139Drillbeam is retarded because it's searchable and recycles itself. It is an isolated case.
The fact that 10-15 cards of any deck need to be dedicated to dealing with Maxx C should tell you why it needs to get banned.>Who had more cards in his hand of this stupid fucking mini game we're forced to playis total bullshit
>>724588043>pic related still isn't importedDid he fuck John Konami's wife or something?
>>724588353All the other mentioned decks search their negates.>recyclesIrrelevant, since most games don't go beyond turn 2.
>>724588412Works on my machine.
>>724588410All of those cards are still played in situations where maxx c is banned. Ash still hits a ton of decks. Just because it might not hit malice doesn't suddenly make it unplayable. Droll still ices decks as well. You're always going to be playing called by to the max number you can because even outside of hand traps that card can fuck over your opponent by banishing something they targeted in their GY. In fact, I'd argue a card like Ash is even stronger in situations where C is banned because that means you can't bait it out anywhere near as easily.
>>724579623have fun with your dead game
>>724588798Ash has fallen off hard actually as a simple one-for one isnt enough in a world where more and more decks get a circular. Its only relevance is Maxxc and mulcharmies.
>>724587843you cant entirely ban negates as ironically they are the thing that stops burn and burst otks
>>724589207OTKs should be banned.
You DID watch the 1988 Gradius OVA, right?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYQ25WVLHck&list=PLvkWKYIQxeyFrHpAS8VnF8ds1nDrioTJQ
Cards this Sexy and Erotic shouldn't be in the game, period.
>RANDORI WATCH OU-
>>724590202oh it's that mech from zone of the enders
>>724582061What would be the solution? Limit every handtrap?
>>724583426>Pends helped filter faggotsFinally, a Pendulum victory
>>724590496BAN
>>724591081cimo's the biggest faggot thoughbeit so you've got that backwardsonly the faggots stayed
>>724583426didn't patrick write a whole book about how he "hypothetically" never even followed said agreement? and that it wouldn't be cheating if he drew it in the match since there was no rule he had to follow said agreement?
>>724588043They took the tactical try pack that was replacing the legendary duelists set and imported it via the tcg's maze set, lmao. They have no faith in that shit.
>>724588043yoo raigeki+ monster reborn card
>>724588043>eggwich upstart Goblin pt2
Remember to collect all of your daily rewards, today is the end of the month.
>>724591906What deck benefits from it?
what the fuck, nobody told me i was going to chainblock myself with dragonlord
>>724588043>Another g(ay)x packYUCK
>Dragobmaids support makes them negate spam deck #5871Holy soulless
why arent old formats like goat and edison built into md? why isnt genesys in md?
>>724592876
>>724579623This proves that yugioh is fundamentally broken and should be completely reworked (again)
>>724592893Md is a low budget game. You will get one mode and you will like it
>>724579623This image is retarded because all it does is reduce Maxx C to "You win more going second!"
>>724593069you lose less*You're still primarily losing."You win more" makes it sound like you're primarily winning.
Hello?? Banlist???
>>724592543anything that uses multiple types, so water deck, mikanko, tri-brigade, etc.
As someone who has never played Yu-Gi-Oh I want to agree with just making it a game rule as per >>724579237 - it's an incentive to not dig through your extra deck every turn, so you interact more with card advantage, have to play a slower and thus more reactive game, and have to focus on mechanical synergy rather than cards just referencing whst other cards they're good with explicitly in their text box. All of those things seem like nice properites for a card game to have!What do people who actually play Yu-Gi-Oh think a version of the game where both players have Maxx C active at all times would be like?
>>724593143It still reduces the argument to "winning" because going into detail (like "it stops combo decks") crushed the argument. Better keep it vague
The game needs a massive banlist to undo the last 4 years of card balancing.
Just realized from this post >>724593305 that making Maxx "C" a rule would basically be a resource system for the game.The more you play, the more resource your opponent gets.Which is the same as the memory system in Digimon. And people love that game (this thread sometimes turns into a Digimon thread).
>>724593305It would swing the game way in favor of going 2nd OTK decks. Player 1 can't build a board without giving the opponent gas. Player 2 doesn't care and kills you before you can use the gas you draw into. You might think this would usher in set 4 pass, but in an environment where the best thing is OTK'ing the first turn you can, there's a lot of board wipes and backrow hate.The player going 1st basically has to hard draw into nibirus plus relevant hand traps.
>this and its ritual spell are the only cards that say "level stars"
>>724593795please understand it was jacob's first day translating and he wasn't taught game mechanics
>>724593517Yeah pretty much people whine about powercreep but honestly yugioh was chugging along at a decent pace and it wasn’t until the last 5 years or so when shit started to get untenable. I mean just look at the world champion2019 was fucking regular ass salamangreatThen Covid gave every brain autism so skip 2020-20222023 winner is fucking dragon link It’s the Covid years where they went mega autism
>>724593305The game would devolve into a "go second or die" format where archtypes like tenpai and sky striker would thrive while everything else wouldn't, I still believe konami should adopt the point system for TCG and OCG, and slowly bring the ceiling level down to where 2013-2016 was.
>>724578928>Of course they want guaranteed wins and games to be incredibly lop-sided, which is the opposite of FUN.About 50/50, in my experience. Half just want to win, the other half want all the fun and quirks "balanced" out of the game, even at their own detriment.
>>724586974>Ghostrick LordsYou got my hopes up, I thought they might've gotten support. I've been playing Ghostrick since Shadow Specters and it went from being an absolute troll deck that was a decent rogue at tourneys to an absolute dogshit tier deck that no one bothers thinking about. I love those little bozos to death and still run a Ghostrick deck as my secondary deck (primary is skull servant), but god do they need better cards that help define the play style better. People only fall for Ghostrick Night + Nekomusume + Socuteboss (with or without Skeleton) so many times and the deck has become clunky and awful compared to all the other decks in the modern play style. There are decks that can out ghostrick the ghostricks now and it makes me sad.
>>724594202>I thought they might've gotten support.no they abandoned it and moved on to ennacraft
>>724594202>but god do they need better cards that help define the play style betterGhostrick has a defined playstyle with different bits of variation, it just doen't work as well in modern yugioh because they made a mechanic that inherently trivialises it so they're forced to make support that maintains the original base gimmick of flip everything but now they have to take links into account which can't be flipped.
I can't pinpoint exactly when it happened, but YGO took a turn for the worse the moment decks became capable of attaining their desired end board 90% of the time instead of having to slowly build up resources for an all-out finishing move. The whole game became hand trap rock paper scissors to the point even FTKs are allowed to run free because they're really not that different from regular decks anymore.
>Dragonlord could negate your own chains tooDamn, this whigger is not just free negates
>>724594446It could be fixed with a really low number of cards. Get something that can turn all their traps into hand traps and returns traps from the GY to the hand (maybe with some kind of float), get another card that destroys any non-ghostrick card that would be flipped face down by a card effect if it cannot be flipped face down, and then add a monster that acts as 2 materials when attached to a Ghostrick card but is counted as one material when removed for the activation of an effect. I could go further, but these are pretty quick and simple and they alone would honestly revitalize the archetype.
Would YGO benefit from an extra card zone that contains 3 cards you're guaranteed to start with? In the card game Haggis each player has a hand of cards and 3 wild cards in front of them that they start with. A player is randomly chosen to go first and they choose the hand type they're playing for the round. Example, if they choose pair by playing a pair the other player must respond by playing a higher pair. They continue playing pairs until one player can't respond. Whoever had the last legal combination gets to once again choose the hand type they're playing. Your 3 wild cards in front of you can substitute for any card (10 + K = pair of 10) or spend all 3 of them to instantly end the round putting you in control of the next round's hand type.Spending all 3 basically functions as a hand trap since a player can just chain round victories if they can always take control and play hand types that favor their hand, essentially comboing out. Similar to YGO the player leading always has an advantage since they're forcing the opponent to respond and play on their terms. The solution for Haggis was to give both players access to guaranteed handtraps. Would something like that work in YGO?
Put maxx c to 3
>>724594864>>724592749That's why basically only Branded plays it.Branded can get rid of it with quick effects or fusing it away, to allow for Mercourier or Ash or Rindbrumm.
>>724594963>HaggisTHERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
>>724590496Genesys.You can still run them, but you can't run them all together, and you cant run them with your full power meta engine.If only master duel was that cool
>>724583658>Wasn't a problem card until 2016/2017.2014, DUEARoach came out I think in Storm of Ragnarok, and the entire Synchro ere was combo slop.With ZeXal you saw lot more midrange archetypes were Roach wasn't so good. It was strong against Mermail, sure, but Droll was stronger. Droll was also stronger vs Spellbooks where Roach did nothing.The card was strong but did not become omni oppressive until Links, which is also where the game went to shit.
A possible change that wouldn't radically change the rules, but allows for fairer and higher quality duels: Semi-mulligans.Players draw 5 at the start as usual.Then they look at their hands, and do up to 5 rounds of mulliganing 1 single card, until either of them doesn't want to anymore.They just put the card at the bottom of the deck, then draw 1, and can do this a total of 5 times.Then continue with the duel as normal.This fixes one problem, which is bricking.
>>724594963FTKs would ruin it.
>>724594507>I can't pinpoint exactly when it happened2015+PEPE and Zoo were the first decks were you could recognize endless extenders and 1 card starters. The idea that Special Summoning a monster is considered "extension" didn't happen until Links allowed you to turn raw bodies into more effects. Link 1s let you turn bricks into starters, and Firewall let you turn hand advantage into field advantage.
>>724595668Roach wasn't that strong during it's introduction because you had the ability to set 2 pass after giving them a redraw and not immediately die.
>>724594507It all started with XYZs since rank 5 and higher monsters forced konami to create a bunch of high lvl monsters that could special summon themselves so you wouldn't need 4+ monsters to XYZ summon, people hyped pendulums as the final nail to the coffin but their relevance today shows that they weren't the problem, link summoning was what killed yugioh, due to link-1s being both starters and extenders all in one card, also because MR4 forced konami to create even more bullshit searchers and monsters that could special summon themselves to solve the problem that they created(not being able to special summon from the ED except to the EMZ or a zone a link monster points to).
>>724594507Zoodiac showed us how problematic 1 card extra deck monsters could be.In True Konami fashion they banned Zoo then decided it was a good idea to make 1 card extra deck monsters an entire mechanic.
>>724594446I swear if ghostrick cards could this to link that would at least help or at least make mansion quick effect activate upon being targeted not attack ffs the card has 0 atk already
>>724595942>I swear if ghostrick cards could this to link that would at least help or at least make mansion quick effect activate upon being targeted not attack ffs the card has 0 atk already
>>724595865>you had the ability to set 2 pass after giving them a redrawThe real reason roach wasn't great is because card quality was a lot worse. You were often drawing cards you couldn't use because Special Summoning wasn't so free. You could Lava Golem a Six Sam endboard and legit be unable to stop that same Golem from killing you because you couldn't normal summon.PEPE was the first time where your out to a set Solem Strike (meant to end your turn) was to spam bodies. Xyz Summon Diamond Dire Wolf to fore the Strike then keep on combo. YGO never saw that before
I don't even play this game
>>724596383The only quick effect you could draw into was also effect veiler. If someone was making a play for game then nothing C could draw you into would save you.
>>724594024>The game would devolve into a "go second or die" formatThat's not true. You could also play stun decks.
>>724596716>>724596383>>724595865>>724595668>>724583658Something happened in this era that was a turning point for the game.
>Unironically defending Maxx C
>>724597249Doesn't need defending; the numbers speak for themselves.
>>724597167Powercreep happened.And powercreep has gotten so bad that a 8000 LP, 5 card starting hand format cant handle it.
>>724597249The roach schizo is on every thread, just ignore him.
>>724597249MD is dying
>>724597249maxx c was side deck material at best for the first 4 years of its life.
lol how is shit like Mitsurugi Ritual a real thing?People bitched about Branded Fusion for years, but this shit is ok?
>>724597636fuck you. i tribute your cards to ritual summon three of my guys
>>724597167it was around that time when they started to put hard once per turn effects on cards you can thank sixsam/windups/infernity/inzektor/dark world for that most text on a card is wasted on restrictions
>>724597249He doesn't even defend the point. Its just a bland statement.
I Play Purrely in Attack Position! Then Have Sex With It And End My Turn!
>>724597723>i tribute your cards
>>724586974For me it's Ghostrick Yuki Onna.
Thread themehttps://youtu.be/znufQ6d3Tx0?si=rDbbGKLhaJ9GDnaV
>>724599203Fubukihime...
Personally I believe the entire balance of Yugioh should be formed around whichever card is cuter.
I haven't played yugioh since Dueling Network General days back in 2015-2016. I've read this entire thread. My observations, faulty or otherwise, are that powercreep is a response to a fervent desire for optimization and efficiency and consistency. We're all autists taught growing up through our game experiences that consistency is king, that optimizing a strategy makes it better and makes you better at video games, that efficiency is always the goal to strive for in anything in life. I believe that with all this, it leads to games being less genuine skill based and more artificially "rigged" if that makes sense? Whereas before you have several possible options and decisions and responses you had access to, now the necessary tools are more and more streamlined and in reality one's possible moves get less and less free. In short, the game is eventually made to be glorified gambling where the first turn decides it all and the game is no longer a real game but is a clear-cut 50/50 coin flip. The ultimate optimized and efficient end state of a game now seems to just be this, where RNG is itself a tool in service of the gambling 50/50. You are not playing a game anymore, because that implies fun, that implies significant degrees of freedom, and that implies player agency. A 50/50 is not fun, gives no freedom or ambiguity, and gives no player agency or ways to influence the outcome. This is the future that unchecked efficiency and powercreep autism chooses. The game becomes gambling.Am I the only person who feels this way? Am I too schizo or am I onto something here? I apologize if I am expressing this sentiment with the wrong words, I just wanted to convey my feelings and thoughts as best I could
>>724599696You are not going to be able to get an idea for what the game is like based off of people complaining about it in this thread.
OCG Medallion of the Ice Barrier has a Quarter Century Rare.This journey just never ends.
>>724599696>that powercreep is a response to a fervent desire for optimization and efficiency and consistency. We're all autists taught growing up through our game experiences that consistency is king, that optimizing a strategy makes it better and makes you better at video games, that efficiency is always the goal to strive for in anything in lifeHey dropout, you're missing a pretty important piece of the puzzle here being that players don't make the cards, Konami does. >oh but players make the decksThis hasn't been true since like 2014.
Wait a second I got all the login tickets for the soccer thing but there's still 2 unopened rewards, can I get the other 2 some way?
>>724599696Come play GOAT format, brother. Only honest decks and good back and forth games here.
>>724600137>can I get the other 2 some way?You get them from the Dice Rally.You missed it, didn't you?
>>724600205YesAt least I got the rescue rabbit I guess
>>724600313wow what a bitch
>>724599946>avance's motherHOLY SEX!
>>724600171I tried playing Goat on omega for like a week with an umi deck and more than half the people were playing magical library FTKs
>>724599906Fair enough>>724599991>players don't make the cards, Konami doesThen Konami is the one responsible for the shit state of game.>This hasn't been true since like 2014.This means the decks are dictated by the cards themselves now in what to run and how many?>>724600171Wow that looks so nice. I'm a bit too soured on multiplayer though, and I doubt people would take kindly to my main deck even in a "back to the good days" format like that
>>724579623Did you ever stop and considered the reason things are so bad for player 2 is because cards like Maxx "C" and its ilk raised the power ceiling too high?Remember every card game is subject to powercreep. When a card is so powerful it warps the way people play, restricts what is viable, and hurts a certain playstyle it will cause new cards to take on a more powerful form to combat prior cards. And if those cards are too powerful then the next cards will be even stronger. The fact modern yugioh decks are mostly unphazed by any lone non floodgate hand trap, can stop mid combo and play on player 2's turn, and are compact enough to carry counters to their counters while not even having to make any meaningful concessions in deck building is proof enough that these cards are a blight on the game and have caused things to escalate out of control.
>>724600612Damn. That sounds like you got hit with some bad luck there with your matchups.
>>724599906True... but he still got it right.>>724599696You're right.Higher consistency = same boards every time = games already determined from the coin toss = less funA top deck in the hands of a top player produces the same board as a monkey following a combo guide.Obviously the solution isn't to sway to the exact opposite extreme, but we still need to make it less consistent.But if we are to decrease consistency, we have to ask what was consistency meant to tackle?It's an answer to complete randomness, where no skill can be expressed. (But having complete consistency made us just push the buck to the coin toss, and we wrapped back into randomness)We have to replace consistency with something else, and I think that should be bluffing.It's what poker uses, and there's a lot of skill expression in there.There's very little bluffing in modern yugioh, except for random shit like toggling on at the 5th summon to make your bystial look like a nib.
>>724600732>and I doubt people would take kindly to my main deck even in a "back to the good days" format like thatWhat deck you running?
>>724600743There's no Maxx "C" in the TCG and it's still the same.Maxx "C" is not the problem.
>>724600732It means decks basically build themselves and all players do is work out the ratios. The last time a deck was emergent from players and not an obvious "build me" was HAT jamming 3 engines together into one deck. Subsequent deck engines would be designed with the idea of mashing them together in mind and specifically do not have restrictions locking you out of various other things.
>>724600834Are you actually retarded? Maxx "C" is legal in the OCG and they are the ones making the cards. Any issues in card design caused by cards like Maxx "C" will still be present in the TCG.
>>724600805Searching what I remember, I was using Macro Cosmos + Soul Absorption + Gren Maju + Necroface + Soul Release + Pot of Desires + a lot of backrow
>>724601386Well most of those cards aren't GOAT legal, so you don't have to worry about it.
>>724600743>Maxx "C" and its ilk raised the power ceiling too high?Maxx C is old as fuck it didn't raise shit by itself It's just one of those reverse-powercreep cards that gets stronger the longer the game goes on. Like how Painful Choice fucking sucked in a time before GY effects were common but now is potentially THE strongest card in Yugioh history.
>>724601043You also get additional issues because they design decks around being good into Maxx C as one of their advantages which is why all the simple low-summon count decks always do far better in the OCG than TCG.
>>724582225>Konami listened to such competitive players and hit Maxx "C". After that we entered the worst formats ever.Every format experienced the Mitsu/Ryzeal meta and it was horrible for everyone, with and without Maxx "C". Maxx "C" doesn't stop the game from having Mitsurugi in the game getting splashed into everything to get around extra deck summoning restrictions.
>>724601043>OCG and they are the ones making the cards.And the TCG has their own banlist to ban cards that don't fit their non-Maxx "C" vision. (as well as, you know, MAKING THEIR OWN CARDS TOO)Stop being obtuse.
>>724583405pretty sure any sim lets you use your own banlist and can select what MR set you're playing undersooo, all of them?
I like playing Orcust but I don't like how involved the mitsurugi package is. I will probably go back to fiendsmith orcust because it also doesn't lose as hard to Droll as the Mitsu side does
I know this is a Yugioh thread but holy fuck!Are there any Yugioh cards that come close to this nonsense price?
>>724601919I'm being obtuse? Get real. You're statement is essentially suggesting that KoA should pre-ban a massive amount of new product and print low powered cards to compete with high power cards (they already do this btw) to address an never ending issue. Both of which are astronomically stupid statements and it should be very obvious why this wouldn't fly.
>>724601919TCG hasn't designed cards for a long time already, it's a well known secret behind doors. There's a reason why we went from schizophrenic design like Spyral and Noble Knight to stuff that feels far more cohesive like Ghoti and Odion (shit like War Rock non-withstanding)
>>724602258The only ones I'm aware of are the one of a kind cards like Tyler the Great Warrior(designed by a make a wish kid) or those early OCG tournament prize cards where the tournament winner is depicted as a card.
>tcg bans maxx c>literally nothing changes between it and OCG except a few decks switch places between tier 1 and tier 0.5You all are being played for absolute fools by arguing about the roach until you're blue in the face. The game's problems run far deeper than this.
>>724602528A few decks also switch places between tier 2-3 and tier 4-5 like Voiceless or Centurion.
>>724602528TCG-only stans have a somewhat weird obsession with combo decks, so their idea of a "healthy" format is being able to whip out their 99 steps SPYRAL/Adamancipator spreadsheet and go to town on the poor Andy that just bough his first
>>724578928Anon, even the top-level competitive players of OCG want Maxx C gone. Konami is catering to the now non-existent casual crowd that likes Maxx C because it's a blowout card that lets them "dab on meta decks" with their garbage Weather Painter deck.
>>724602728>it's a blowout card that lets them "dab on meta decks" with their garbage Weather Painter deck.wtf I love Maxx C now
It's deLLinger, not deRRingerIt's named after the craterhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dellinger_(crater)
>>724602728>appeals to competitive players to a post deriding competitive playersYou have big retardation energy
>>724602775Which game is this one from?
>>724602775It's keeping consistency with the Gradius series brohttps://gradius.fandom.com/wiki/Dellinger_Core
>>724602141Ive abandoned my shining sarc/therion package and now play mitsurugi fiendsmith orcust
>>724602938IT SAYS DELLINGER RIGHT THERE
>>724602775That sounds like a stretch. They probably just translated it wrong in the past.
>>724602938Oh hey that one appears in Otomedius. It's really annoying to fight.
>>724602967Isn't the Shining Sarc stuff only used in that deck because of the unreleased Dark Magician support anyway?
>>724602978Actually it says デリンジャー。
>>724603073>>724602978If you guys don't shut up I'm going to tell John Konami to change its name to Skibidi Sircle.
>>724603031The sauce was its a continous spell to send with clockwork knight for clockwork knight, could be placed in a link monster column to turn on girsus tuner effect and had a non-orcust machine to equip to regulusBut sneks are just too strong
>>724579623Is there a card game, physical or digital, with a worse going first bias than yugioh?
>>724579623There is no justification for keeping Maxx C alive when the Mulchies exist now.Hell, you can even errata it to say "you must control no cards to use this effect."But leaving it as is is beyond stupid.
>>724603520The justification is in the pic of the post you just replied to.
>>724579623Now show the Droll win rates
>>724602528No shit there are other problems, but do you know how infuriating it is to wait 6 minutes for some jackass to end his combo, then drop maxx c in the draw phase? who finds that fun?
>>724603659Here are your options:>full board, no Maxx "C">no board, Maxx "C" in standbyI know which one I'm choosing and which one is the problem.
>>724600171Ah yes, honest decks like panda burn and reasoning gate. even in your screenshot you're literally floodgating your opponent with level limit. how is that "back and forth" ?
>>724603876I'd rather try to break my opponents board then lose frame 1 when maxx "c" is dropped.
>>724603970>how is that "back and forth" ?MST, Heavy Storm, and Dust Tornado are legal in GOAT. Floodgates aren't oppressively strong in GOAT. Floodgates aren't instant win buttons.
>>724604082>turn 2, opponent's board is empty>"lose frame 1"Yup, you're retarded.
>>724604130Not him, but MST and HS are both limited. Dust Tornado is slow. They aren't insta win buttons but just draw the out has never been a valid defense of problematic cards.
>>724604130>MST, Heavy Storm, and Dust Tornado are legal in GOAT.Yeah, and so are level limit, gravity bind, messenger of peace, and solemn. "just draw the out dude" isn't a valid cope
schmupGODs which Gradius games should I play?
>says "ruling" when it's just a rule
>>724604657I'm still not convinced that "The Rules" actually exist in this game and it isn't just 50 thousand individual cases of "Konami says so" stacked on top of each other.
>>724604757That's because you've never actually read the fucking manual.
>>724604886No one does this.
My Friend (With Benefits) Purrely
>>724604130Actually solved GOAT format discovered that with floodgates outnumbering backrow removal by a factor of 3-to-1 it was just an statistics game that you would prevent the opponent from actually playing the game enough times (add shit like Solemn Judgment to the mix) that it didn't matter the few times you got blown out by Heavy Storm into OTK. That's why Panda Burn and other stall decks are the king in the format at the moment. Just see the video and the entire top 8 is burn or burn adjacent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDqpgbI180g
>>7246045451 for begginers2 and 5 if you want something harder and probably the most interesting ones.3 if you want difficulty3 Arcade if you got balls of steelDunno where'd I put 4.
>>724604545Start from the beginning with Gradius 1 on NES. Start where it all began.
This furry is ban-evading.Do your duty.>>724605081>>724598158>>724590351
>>724579623I haven't played yugioh in 15+ years at this point. But is it really so bad that without maxx c the player who goes first has a 73% winrate? that's fucked
>>724604545>>724605173Also all the Parodius games, Otomedius, and Salamander/Life Force are fun too.If you don't like shmups you could even get away with only playing Cosmic Wars which is a strategy game Gradius spinoff.
>>724605256And yet moderntards see Maxx "C" as a bigger """issue""".Maxx "C", no Maxx "C"... it doesn't matter. All the same, ~70% winrate going first >>724582054
>>724605160Why did it take so long to realize that? That was my conclusion of like 10 games playing it in MD and realizing that even with a third of my deck as S/T removal that a single "you can't attack lol" floodgate sticking to the board meant I lost, and it was easy to run more floodgates than other decks can run removal, and that's not even considering Solemns in the equation.I realize that stall/stun was much stronger in MD's OCG style "Goat" format since there are fewer limits, Marshmallon, Bo1, etc but why has actual Goat suddenly changed like this?
>>724604886There's a manual?
>>724605495no there's a automatic HA HA HA HA HA HA
>>724605404Disgusting. At this point it's not even a TCGYou're just playing a coin toss to decide who wins and spending money to build a deck to go unused. I'll stick to playing the old 2007/2008 video games and actually having fun I guess
>>724605469>but why has actual Goat suddenly changed like this?People got sick of Chaos Turbo's shit and have gone full joker mode with floodgates to counter Chaos strategies.
Will the powercreep even become so high that it actually kills YGO?Feels doubtful given the play that actually still play love powercreep and more gas gas gas 1 card combos that never end
>>724605469A lot of it honestly came down to the format being casual as fuck and basically stuck in the same tournaments where Chaos dominated. It took until Konami started to take Time Wizard formats seriously for the compfags to come and ruin/improve everything. Panda Burn/combo having a weakness to Mobius and Reasoning OTK was also somewhat a factor, since Monarch was historically very popular between GOAT players. And then Master Duel made the GOAT event and basically everyone and their grandma realized that stall is basically the best.
What has been working the best for you with Dragonmaids? I moved my Bystials to 3 and I'm keeping the same ratios on Sublimation and Evaporation, but I've been seeing people remove Sublimation and keep the other at 3. Also an increase on Ghost Belle instead of Droll. I'm interested in the Millennium engine, but I feel it won't give me as good results as I would think since I would only gamble with Zombie Vampire, and another option would be adding even more Bystials along King of Atum who can special summon a dragon from deck, but it sounds inconsistent.Took me 3k SR dust to get that one royal Kitchen, now I have less than 300 left.
>>724605256Those stats are specifically how Worlds went this year. If you go on ladder and you know what you're doing at even a basic level then you will not have such an abysmal going second winrate with most decks. But going first is still a huge advantage that commonly cannot be overcome.
>>724605404The problem is best of 1 you low IQ shitter. the only people who unironically defend the roach are brown retards who couldn't win a game to save their lives.
>>724606101>does not address any of the data>blames Bo1 (even though all other formats with Bo3 have the same problem)I accept your concession, tardo.
That duel field has the best theme song in the game. sucks most people won't hear it
>recent ycs>tcg, no maxx c>best of 3, not 1>grand finals all non-gamesm-m-maxx c is the p-p-problem...!!!
>>724605998I'd swap lorpar for ernus, so you have another way to summon your small maids into the field without losing your normal summon and one parlor for one nurse
>>724605469Because the playerbase was small. It’s really that simple. You see it in basically every niche “competitive” activity. Look at melee where it was pure fox wank for the longest time and there’s a bunch more viable characters. You think of StarCraft brood war right and probably think it’s balanced, Zerg has now won their biggest tournament 5 times in a row and probably won’t stop. There’s only three fucking races and people are finally realizing it is the de facto best.
>>724606307If you don't run Lorpar than Parlor isn't a starter.Meanwhile nurse can never be a starter it can only be a cope 3 card combo
>>724605891It already has, yugioh already lost it's place in the top 3 most sold TCGs in japan, konami still refuses to lower the ceiling because they still believe that competitive niggers represent the market
>>724605998If you're running that many Bystials you might as well just run Lubelion and Branded Regained
>>724606623>"that many Bystials">curious how many>open deck list pic>only 3
>>724606487ah yes, because of Lady's fusion requirement
>>724606518That was true for like one month anon don’t take steam chart style shitposts to heart
>>724606674Yeah the 3 good ones.Lube makes them searchable and turn 1 bodies if needed.
>>724606674That is one more than necessary
>>724606518>konami still refuses to lower the ceiling But the current format is lower powered than Snake Eye format was. And the OCG format is lower powered than MD's format. And obviously all of these are lower powered than Tear was.
>want to watch the Gradius OVA>three 53-minute episodesNigger that's a fucking season, not an OVA.
>>724606838Ok, I'll bite? How the fuck is Snake Eye format more bullshit than "shits out Infinite advantage" Yummy, "plays on turn zero better than Tear ever did" K9 VS, and "I draw 4 handtraps and setup full board" Malpiss? I swear you people were mindbroken by normal summon Snash too many times when that play lost to Veiler/Imperm unlike every current deck that tanks 1-for-1 handtraps like a mofo
>>724606623That would be 4 more extra cards, which in that case I can remove Sublimation and some handtraps to add 3 Lubellion and Regained. I'll experiment once the season resets tomorrow.
New Winda.
>>724606905dummyOVAs can be and have often been movie-length like so:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NV6PcZ5e4oJust watch the first episode if you're so averse to cool.
>>724606101Winning because you go first isn't fixed by just playing more games?? The game is fundamentally fucked
>>724607068Because Snake Eyes was better at shitting out infinite advantage than Yummy and with fewer restrictions. Why do you think they had to ban Oak in MD to get people to move off the deck and onto Maliss?
>>724607102>new wave of winda pornFinally
>>724607202No, but you see in Bo1 you are guaranteed to lose 1 game if you lose the coin flip. In Bo3 you are guaranteed to lose 2/3 games and lose the match if you lose the die roll. It's totally different.
>>724583710>first few yearsIt took only a few months for Maxx C to jump from a 20$ card to over 100$ after it's release. The only reason it was low on release is because the new tier 0 Six Sams could deck loop you if you hit them with Maxx C.
heh
>>724582835Genesys is complete dogshit wrapped in a shiny new way so retards think it's "fixing" the game.They will keep upping the points of older decks to make way for new decks.It's the same shit but in a much shittier format.No Links is inherently fucking trash since most decks, especially older weaker decks, rely on Link support.The yugiboomer shitters excited about Genesys will leave again when they realize them being shit at the game is why they quit, and it had nothing to do with bad card design.The game is a permanent cycle of new replaces the old.
>>724607093I think its worth it given how reliant the deck is on normal summon starters in 2025.Another card I don't see anyone running is Foolish Burial.Its a cope but I have had it be able to dump the proper dragon after imperm or ash drops on any of them.
>>724607348and yet people were moving onto Yummy and other decks anyway in the TCG/OCG without any hits to Snake-Eye, funny how that works. Just admit SE is a cute boogeyman for players like you.
What even is a fun meta to you folks?>hard mode: within the last 5 years
>>724578928Franchise died after pendulums anyway
>>724607784Genesys
>>724607719>TCGalright
I guess konami just forgot about her
>>724607784the brief period after tear was kill and before kashtira was released
>>724607887They probably just don't want to buff the deck that can turbo out normal trap floodgates, and don't want to make disappointing support that won't be played. Every day I pray they just ban D-Barrier once and for all.
>"previous metas were better!!!">MD running an old format event>no one talking about it>no one playing it>ends in half an hour
>>724607784I absolutely loved the Invoked Dogmatika Shaddoll, Tribrigade, Prankids, Drytron etc era just before Phoenix Enforcer released.
>>724607983No one is going to defend Drytron Herald format. Even if this event were a good format, it's available for 3 days so no one will take it seriously.
>>724607983No one in history was begging to play Eldlich Drytron format.
>>724607784there was a few months right before fiendsmith dropping I didn't find only niggers in gold against my goblin biker deck. that was pretty nice
>>724607784Justice Hunters in the TCG was pretty awesome until the banlist.
I want to have sex with Dark Magician Girl's pushed-up boobies.
>>724608075I found it very fun by playing Shaddoll and Draco Striker.Absolutely destroyed those 10000 special summon only or die combo decks.Destroys Eldlich as well
>>724607983>"previous metas were better!!!""Better" is not the right word. Not as bad is more apt even a year of SE wasn't quite as agonizing as Mitsu/Maliss/Ryzeal choking the life out of the game currently.>MD running an old format eventLaunch MD was an awful time to play and the only reason it was tolerable and didn't immediately kill whatever potential the game had was because 90% of the people picking it up hadn't played since DM and were building shit like Toons and Blue-Eyes before everyone gravitated toward cancer like Herald and Eldlitch.
>>724607983I ran it and already won the pack.I remade Invoked Dogmatika Shadoll from memoryThe deck probably isn't right or even optimal but it didnt matter because all 3 games were just sitting on MechabaI made Shaddoll Construct once.
>>724608237>only reason it was tolerable and didn't immediately kill whatever potential the game had was because 90% of the people picking it up hadn't played since DM and were building shit like Toons and Blue-Eyes before everyone gravitated toward cancer like Herald and EldlitchDAMN ALMOST LIKE THE COMPETITIVE PLAYERS ARE THE PROBLEM AND THE ANTITHESIS OF FUN
>>724608338You can only blame players for wanting to win so much, anon. It's up to Konami to protect them from themselves.
>>724608338Did Josh Schmidt fuck your wife or something.
>>724607983there have been enjoyable MD formats, like the first Branded format, Purrely/Kashtira/Vanquish Soul format and the Snake-Eyes format pre-Bonfire/Azamina support. Current decks are layered enough that a good boardbreaker won't beat them, nor will a single handtrap do enough bar the turnskips.
>>724608434Competitive players have vaginas, so your question doesn't make sense.
>>724608454>Purrely/Kashtira/Vanquish Soul format>Snake-Eyes format pre-Bonfire/AzaminaHere's your (You), now fuck off
lol
>>724607983I know one guy who loved ithttps://youtu.be/5b_6uzOpxKo
>>724608454>Purrely/Kashtira/Vanquish Soul
>>724608338>NOOOOO, YOU HAVE TO PLAY MY 2003 PLAYGROUND FORMAT OR YOU'RE A COMPFAG RUINING THE GAME REEEEEEEE!!!!
>>724608646>avatarfagging
>>724608549Those are both boys you retard.
>>724607983I dont want to get attached to 3 day events.
>>724608681>no argumentconcession accepted, you're a bot.
>>724608237Herald was beyond gay yeah, but personally I never minded Eldlich.I don't blame him for floodgate faggotry, just shit that is floodgate faggotry like Boarder(especially him) or Pachy, or shit that facilitates it like Simorgh did.
>>724608646ur damn right kiddo
>>724608737>seething
>>724608338You're right, but also you have to accept that these people will always exist and a game needs to be designed to not allow players to optimize all the fun out of it.
>>724608737>posts no argument>feels entitled to an argumentI think you're a fag with no self-awareness and you should kill yourself.
>>724608774>>724608830all i'm hearing is you're ass
>>724608704Yes I know? Why did you think I lol'd?
>>724608804>*scroll scroll scroll*> --> >>724578928>Look at yugioh master duel. It's in its worst state ever, with dropping player numbers, all because they cater to competitive tards.
sex with dragonmaids (plural)
>>724608759Real yugioh is sitting behind a floodgate and not playing the game?
sexsexsexsexsexsex
>>724608881>still seething
>>724608946If that floodgate is called "dark law" or "plasma" people cheer for that gameplay.
>>724602967>and now play mitsurugi fiendsmith orcustPost deck
>>724608908OK but complaining on 4chan.org/v/ that people use good cards isn't going to fix anything. That's the point. You can endlessly seethe over something you have zero control over, or you can choose to let go and find what fun there is in the game as it exists instead of chasing after the imaginary version in your head.
>errrm im not playing stun im playing coombo>its different because i have to click buttons to stop you from playing instead of the game doing it for me>totally not the same
>>724608957so you're a bot
>>724608536>>724608558Purrely died to targeted hate and could also be overwhelmed by any two-handtrap combination. There was also no Noir so no consistent draw 6 combo. Kashtira died to targeted hate often too, and shared enough counters with Purrely you could comfortably plan for both without issue, I remember maining Book of Eclipse/Moon and doing well enough in ranked and duelist cup Vanquish Soul could also be countered by something as simple as a single Ash on Stake your Soul, and the deck had a rewarding loop. It was both enjoyable to play against and play with. I'm sorry you both were bitches that cry whenever something stronger than War Rock turbo beats your sorry ass.
>>724608804>a game needs to be designed to not allow players to optimize all the fun out of itelaborate on your idea.
Everyone shills genesys but no one actually plays it.
>>724608949is it wrong to like dark magician girl?
>>724609073They could uhhhhhhhhh......................... Toon Galaxy Eyes Dragon......... You can discard it to draw cards when the opponent activates an effect......... Yeah.
>>724609108It's not in master duel and all of the other yugioh sims fucking suck.
>>724603520>Advocates for erratasHoly retarded nigger
>>724609130>You can discard it to draw cardssorry, but drawing cards means giving yourself an advantage over your opponent, and that's no fun
>>724608759pacman niggas rise up
>>724609108I hit 100 points and still have to slot 20 cards in the main deck
>>724609130That's not what Galaxy Eyes does though. You should discard it to give your Toon monster 20 trillion attack points instead.
Which fake sim had the pissy dev that refused to acknowledge Genesys existing and banned anyone asking to implement it?
>>724609284EDOpro (Developed by a tranny btw LMAO)
>>724609108deck building is more fun then actually playing the game.
Omega is ok
I miss the N/R festival why won't they bring it back
>>724609403can't make money.
>>724609403I want them to add R rarity alt arts of the anime ace monsters just so decks like DM and Blue-Eyes are technically playable.
>>724609403That was ass, I hated it.I can't believe I believed you niggers for two years (I joined a year and a half after MD launched) shilling it saying it was the best event.
>>724607784If your card game doesn't have at least 10-15 viable top tier decks where their any deviation in "superiority" among each other is negligible, it's just shit.
>>724605228>That picWtf?
>>724609403Ghoti needed another nerf
>TW03-JP063 El Shaddoll Meshahrail>Level 10 EARTH Machine Fusion Effect Monster>ATK 2800 DEF 1000>1 “Shaddoll” monster + 1 DARK monster + 1 EARTH monster>Must be Fusion Summoned.>(1) Unaffected by your opponent’s activated Spell/Trap effects and by activated effects from opponent’s monsters whose original Level/Rank is lower than this card’s current Level.>(2) Once per turn: You can pay 800 LP; add 1 “Shaddoll” card or “Void” Spell/Trap from your Deck to your hand.>(3) If this card is sent to the GY: You can Special Summon 1 “Shaddoll” monster from your GY.
Lab unhits when?
>TW03-JP062 Tohushaddoll Grysta>Level 7 EARTH Rock Flip Effect Monster>ATK 2450 DEF 1950>You can use only 1 of the 1st and 2nd effect of this card’s name, and only once that turn.>(1) FLIP: You can target 1 non-Rock “Shaddoll” monster in your GY; apply its effect that activates when it is flipped face-up.>(2) If this card is sent to the GY by card effect: You can Fusion Summon 1 “Shaddoll” Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck, by banishing its material from your hand, field, and/or GY. You cannot Special Summon from the Extra Deck the turn you activate this effect, except “Shaddoll” monsters.
>>724609121yeah you're kinda weird
>>724609482Like other early events(before they all became True Draco spam) it was good because everyone was new to Yugioh and was playing random shit. If you were in high ranks then you only saw like one or two decks every single game.
>TW03-JP066 Void Liberation>Normal Spell>You can only use the 1st and 2nd effect of this card’s name each once per turn.>(1) Reveal 1 “Shaddoll” card in your hand; add 2 “Shaddoll” cards from your Deck your hand of different types (Monster, Spell, Trap) from the revealed card and each other, then discard 1 card.>(2) You can banish this card from your GY; add 1 “Infernoid” monster from your Deck or GY your hand.
SLUT!!!
>>724609737This is just straight up wrong. the format was solved before it even came out.
>>724609984Yeah, I realize that. Like I said, if you played in high ranks you saw almost nothing but one or two decks. Usually the gadget infinitrack Heartearth Turbo deck. At low ranks people were playing all sorts of random crap which is why some people have good memories of it.
>>724609403You don't want another "Shill the meta!" festival?
All hand traps to 3All floodgates to 3All boardbreakers to 3Fuck comboniggers. Reading a spreadsheet isn't skill expression it's you being a faggot.
>>724609261Fill it with Beaver Warrior's.
Name some obscure archetypes.
I don't know how you guys still play. More power to you, but I couldn't stand waiting 15 minutes a turn while the other player just plays the game by themselves. Konami was a mistake.
>>724610459Dinomist
when are they going to buff shining sarc
>>724610459When are they making a full on Fishborg archetype outside of the few cards they have?
Who is it?
>>724610459SKY FIRE
>>724605998>That spoilerDisgusting
>>724610503>>724610515>>724610662I mean ACTUAL obscure ones.Like Aquarium, Malicevorous, or sprout.
Chundra needs to go back to 3
>>724610507Deck doesn't need to be good it sells on nostalgia
>>724610757ALL Tenpai cards do.
>>724610750Burning Skulls
>>724607102What's the lore? Winds travelled to the cyberpunk dimension?
>>724610507>Activating Shining Sarc>Use Search Effect>Oppoent chains and removes Sarc. Not negate, just make it leave field someway.>Search Effect doesn't happenWhy is that
>>724610815This is from like the first episode of 5D's, not obscure.
>>724610757>WAAAAH GOING 2ND SUCKS>*makes a going second deck designed for the modern age*>NO!!!! NOT LIKE THAT!!! AAAAH!!!
>>724610507When they add the DM support that lets you turn DMG into a link 1 that turns into Dragoon.
>>724610868Continuous cards need to be on the field to resolve their effects.
>>724610868That's how continuous spells/traps and field spells and pendulum scales work. They need to remain on the field to resolve their effect.
>>724609774bretty goot
>>724610750Get this, you have the Gradius ship archetype, the Gradius BES archetype, but they have been neglecting the standard Gradius enemies.
>>724610881>If you want to go second you have to play one deck>Doesn't solve going second for all the other decks
>>724611041We have Gem Knights now
>>724611041Doesn't follow that Tenpai should be hit or hated, which is the point being made.
>>724610881Going second sucks because most decks autowin going first Tenpai was good because it autowins going second, the problem I think, I'm not sure, I'm tendering this idea, is that automatically winning isn't fun in general.
>>724611104Swap the art for Dragonmaid and Tenpai and people would not only simp for it but act like its the 2nd coming of jesus
>>724611131But automatic wins are at least 85% of games on master duel
>>724610507
>>724611153that's basically Malpiss and every single cyberse archetype so I guess you're right.
>>724611205Yugioh is a completely dogshit worthless card game I agree with you.
>>724610882Guessing that's coming in the next MD Anniversary
fuck this shit game
>>724611002But those aren't standard Gradius enemies. They don't appear every stage.
>>724611343Woah bro Sick ____________________ deck.
>>724611343you put those cards in your deck
>>724608216>>724608949>Those DMGsBotched titsbros.....
>>724611280But people hate Maliss. It's by far one of the most hated decks of the year. You commonly see "I wish this deck wasn't such cancer because I like the art".
>>724609312>Developed by a tranny btwFug..... Say it ain't so...
>>724609715What monster is this supposed to be?
>>724611547you're kidding right? I have seen Josh receive far more hate for his takes on Maliss than he has received on his entire career. I remember when his take on Circular was "no shit Circular is broken" whereas you have mfers writing entire essays on why Mapiss is actually hecking balanced and valid and Josh is fucking wrong and biased against Cyberse (Read, waifu) decks
>>724591442He also wrote that he could mislead people about what his cards did as long as he didn't explicitly lie.
>>724611773Crystal. I'd recognize that statline anywhere.
>>724611787>but the e-celeblmao fag
>>724611547I also like the art
>>724611845Yeah it's nice. Such a waste.
>>724611834it was just an example dumbass. You have faggots here admitting that they like the deck because they jerk off to the girls and don't want the deck to be hit simply because of that. Or that Lancea should be banned because "boo hoo Maliss should have zero weaknesses :("
>>724611547>It's by far one of the most hated decks of the year.The fact that you have to qualify it that much proves how little its hated compared to decks people actually hate.
>>724611547>"I wish this deck wasn't such cancer because I like the art"Pretty much me, I bought an OCG Crossover Breakers box because I really like M∀LICE's theme, but the @Ignister support felt the same as Tearlaments getting Ishizu, it was overkill and gave an already strong deck a ridiculous amount of recovery and extension power, along giving the deck an omninegate when it already had easy access to Apollousa. I see it getting the same Snake-Eyes treatment, getting constantly hit until it becomes a unplayable mess of limited cards because Konami NEEDS to keep every single deck "playable".
>>724610861It's Winda activating the Noids,
>>724611948>the fact that you admit it's one of the most hated decks in a long time means that actually people don't hate itWhat? Why are you so deadset on people not hating it even though you hear constant complaints about it online? Everyone here is saying they hate it. Have you seen the player count since it released?Honestly I imagine that Tenpai would see more hate if it were a waifu deck since the people who tend towards OTK decks also seem to be the ones that seethe over cute girls in their manly badass monster game.
Im glad they sell cosmetics for the coin in this game because its all that matters.
>>724612119>in a long timeYou said this year sis.
>>724609643ew more shadolls?
>>724578928Western "competitive" players have literally always bitched about Maxx "C" during all eras of the game dakethough
>>724612261It was peaceful until master duel dropped and it turned out it was OCGbrainedI love semi limits so much
When I think of a deck that has no haters, it's obviously gotta be Maliss. Everyone loves that deck, I don't think I've seen a single complaint about it.
>>724612258The upcoming ocg pack is Shadoll, Tellar, Saber, and Dragunity.
>>724612375>duel terminal shitbleh
>>724612410See you next year when they're revealing stuff for Terminal World 4, maybe then Worms will get something.
>effects require valid targets in order to even activate>Effects with a negative impact on the battle phase can be used after the battle phase or on turn 1 where there is no battle phase
When are we getting an Eldlich/Goblin of Greed crossover card?
>>724612375>packfiller>packfiller>packfiller>packfillerwoahh
'Ere ya go!
For the Apo alt art
>>724612604chat is this real
>>724612604>Call by to 1Of all TCG faggotry we have to pick up this one?
>>724612685It's real. In another two years they'll finally ban Called By.
>>724612604MY APPO USA ART! I DON"T WANNA TRADE IT IN FOR A GAY ALBAZ
>>724612728>>724612660
>>724612604>>724612685>an actual true banlistIt's fucking real, they finally killed Apollousa and they remembered that Lab's furniture were still semi-limited. We're so back.
>>724612604> Maxx C StaysLETS GO!!!
Every problem in yugioh boils down to combo faggotsBut combo faggots cry and whine the most when they have to face a single normal summoned inspector border so Konami only fucking limits and bans stun cards while never addressing the 20 minute turns that EVERYONE fucking hates except for a small group of pants shitting autistics who love it and work in the Konami balance department All of Yu-Gi-Ohs problems instantly are resolved when you kill combo niggers and cater to stun chads.Simple as
>>724612660What is this even trying to say?
>>724612604Very good...
>>724612764It should have gone back to 3
>>724612604dogshit fucking list, what is chessy to 1 supposed to do and WHY THE FUCK ARE ALLURE AND GOLD SARC NOT BANNED YET
>>724612604>Called to 1What the fuck.
>>724612604>called by to one but no hit to the roachWhat the fuck. Kill the bastard then, only (You) farmers want it around.
>>724612815>WHY THE FUCK ARE ALLURE AND GOLD SARC NOT BANNED YETBranded.
>>724612604>Cheshire come the fuck on
>>72461260410 MORE YEARS OF AUTOWIN HANDTRAPS
>no Apo>no Fragrance>no Mjollnir>1 less Called by>1 less DrollTENPAI BUFFS LET'S GOOOOOOO
>>724612604Oh shit, they remembered.
>>724612604>I get another 150 dustThe rich get richer
>>724612875post support branded doesn't need either of these to be good.
>>724612604>Lab rn
>>724612795you can either dust it for like a normal ban card ,or you can trade it in for another alt art card.
>>724612795You will be able to turn alternate art cards that were hit on the banlist into Exchange Ticket items. Then, the Exchange Ticket item can be used for relevant Craft Points or... and I'm not sure what option 1 means exactly.
>>724612604>no Mittsurigi hitslmao
I think what they're trying to say is that you can swap alt art Apo for an alt art of another card.
>>724613000you can exchange for any other card with alternate art
>>724612604>it's realno fucking way>DROLL got hitwell, the top DC cup guys only ran 2 anyway
>>724612604Maliss somehow coming out even stronger and more oppressive this list.
>>724613000>and I'm not sure what option 1 means exactly.it's basically saying you get a ticket and you can trade it for any alt art that was out before the ban took place. for example if this ban took place two weeks earlier you could trade in the Apo for an alt art ash, belle, or alister, but you couldn't a House dragonmaid since she wasn't out yet
>>724613070Oh nice, I somehow ended up with 2 of each.
>>724612604>one less drollmitsu buffs!
i know its poorly worded, but do people really not understand what point one is trying to say?
>>724613029Still featured in the shop
>>724613197fewer*
>>724613029How new are you? They never hit shit that's still in the store.
I been out of the loop, did people in the TCG found a way to give the hammer Artifact to the opponent just to lock them Gimmick Puppet Nightmare style?
>>724613243yes, they figured it out ages ago.
IT'S SO FUCKING OVER
>>724613029it's a mitsurugi format, they won't touch those cards until Yummy comes around
>>724613213>I know there is a reason, but what reason is there?
>>724612604I wanted to see March Hare to 1-2 but this is pretty good.>called by to 1Fug. I wonder why now of all times. Especially given that its power level has gone down a bit with the addition of Dominus traps.
>>724612604The worst part of looking at this list is knowing a toxic deck like Maliss will refuse to go away as the top deck until they properly hit it so it’s well and beyond over staying it’s welcome already. However I’m going to watch an actual relatively healthy top deck like K9 Vanquish Soul when it’s their turn be snipped out in one list.
>>724612660Lesbian brothers! The tyrant is dead!
>>724613243
Why the fuck do people still care about yugioh despite how much Konami shits on the playerbase and fucking hates the brand
>>724613296yeah it's not a good reason is the reason i say that
>>724612604I'm happy its gone but what deck was running anti-spell fragrance?
>>724612604>apolloUSA to 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILvd5buCEnU
>>724613374fuckable female monsters
>Apo to 0>Dormouse to 1>Chessy to 1>Underground to 1>Sarc to 1>Droll to 2>"errrrrrm maliss wasn't hit!!!"
>>724613298>Fug. I wonder why now of all times.i think it's to give handtraps a bit more power since they struggle to even go 1 for 1 in current meta and being able to nulify them completely doesn't seem good.
>>724613402The fearsome Weather Painters. Surely this is a sign they're getting support soon.
>>724612752I cant wait to start running Black Goat and Rollback again
>>724613453You realize those consistency hits don't do fucking shit right.
>>724613374I like the cosmetics Listen to this https://youtu.be/c3a7_9ehTb0
>surely this means konami learned from their mistakes and wouldn't make such cards again
>>724613402probably so lab can't abuse it anymore, but that helps mitsu...
>>724613374I have fun playing it.
>>724613520shut the fuck up retard
>>724613520If that were true then they would have been already running those cards at 1.
>>724613402After the last irl tourney it seems they decided to hit floodgates since a lot of the professionals who were there complained about them a lot
>>724613374There are no other card games like yugioh that scratch that same itch. I still have a fuck ton of fun playing when drafting among friends.
it's happening
>>724612660I'm keeping her, not only is it a cute girl card, i pulled her with a mere 1k gems. I also pulled ibleecorn with just 1k, but i don't think she's getting banned ever.
>>724613609Yeah, like how limiting all those tearlament and ishizu cards really did a lot bro. the deck was like totally unplayable when agido and kelbek went to 1.
>>724613729man you really are stupid as fuck
I will not dust.
Now that the Genesys honeymoon is over, can we all admit they're just flying by and pointing cards based on vibes?https://yugiohblog.konami.com/2025/genesys/answering-some-of-your-questions-about-octobers-points-update/
>>724613621I wish they would full stun death here too, but they just released a stun archetype here
>>724613729I actually do think that limiting every tear and ishizu card makes the deck weaker than allowing them all at 3.
>>724613658Can't wait
>>724613776Than ill dust it for you
I:P ban when?I wanna swap her for Branded alts.I got 3 of her when I started playing.
>>724612660WTF i can't trade in this worthless bunny for alt art Mikankos?!
Labrynth eating good!
>>724613827No shit, it doesn't make the deck any less oppressive. Maliss will still be the best deck in the format by far.
>>724613927>sure it makes the deck worse... but it doesn't make it worse!Hmmmm, i disagree.
>>724613906I missed this ritual post.
>>724613453It wasn't, they replaced the 2 dormouse and wonderland with allure and tb-11, which makes rabbit full combo, and so is any handtrap + this slut thanks to the ignister cards. Ryzeal in comparison is about as good as gadget/star seraph now.
>>724614028allure is garbage sis
>>724614026We haven't been eating shit for like a year now. Genuine thought konami forgot lab's existence
>>724614028Cant Mapiss just lean harder on generic cyberseslop?They still have allure and cynet mining.
>>724614142At that point you're better off just cutting them entirely for mathmech.
>>724614108The cope has begun.
>>724614180I doubt that.
>>724614127Genuinely*
>>724614108>pot of greed that starts my deck for free is bad
>>724614206Maliss' Biggest strength was always that it link locked rather than cyberse locked. Also Circular is at 1 in both paper formats.
>>724614252It's actually better than pot of greed lol
>>724614180>At that point you're better off just cutting good cards for bad cards???
>>724614108With only 1 Chessy Cat the debate will finally be over on this.
>>724613374I've given up on Advanced, but I'm having fun with Genesys.
>>724614285It's really not. Having to use up your once per turn on summon from banish is often a downside.
>>724614305>Mathmech is badOnly if bad means not-waifus.
>>724602697>Maxx C keeps combo decks in checkSame with Mulcharmies, thanks to them we had Inspector Boarder control as meta since Fuwaloos was printed.
>>724614372>*dies to one bystial*AIEEEEEEEEEEEEE YAMETE
>>724614127A certain schizo isn't gonna like this
>>724614028>allure and tb-11, which makes rabbit full comboOh wow, literary the same thing.
OK, but Sword+Ext to 1 are huge. They can still cope on -1 Tachyon searchers, but that's big. Ryzeal is now just an engine you slap into other decks.
>>724614458unprotected vaginal sex with selettrice
>>724612604call by wasn't even that powerful wtf
>>724614560It's a going first card
>>724614560No, fuck you. called by is a piece of shit card and should be banned along side the roach.
>>724614127I don't think we've been in a bad state per se, just set aside by Komoney for the time being. Labby has always been eating good in our hearts.
>>724604130Finally I can post this.
Now they just need to limit Ash so Maxx C can function as intended.
>>724614553Sex is boringOutercourse(paizuri) is where it's at
>>724614583ghost which is at 3 negates compare to ash and maxx cc which one did you see more often what's next ban crossout too?
>>724613402dinomorphia
>>724614634Crossout should be at 3.
>>724614634Yes, fuck cards that prevent your opponent from playing going second.
Currently dueling a maliss named "f#ck konami". ha!
The good thing is that I won't have to actually spend the effort thinking about whether Apo or Caesar is likely to be better for the current situation.I'm going Abao 80% of the time anyway because she's cute
>>724614352>special summoning is le bad actuallydo mapiss players really?
>>724611834Joshua Fiendschmidt is not "just an e-celeb". He is a champion and him crying about stuff forces Konami's hand.
>>724614458Fat fuck
>>724614720Maliss cycles through every single one of those effects in their standard combos. Having to blow one prematurely can throw a wrench into things. I don't play maliss, I just have fucked them over with Bystials many times in the past.
>>724614560That shit is crazy. If it was a hand trap as well it would be one of the best cards in the game behind roach. Being able to reactively shut off something that's in the graveyard for two turns is stupid strong. Love it when I can use it, but it's strong.
>>724614782NO!!!!!! WE HAVE TO RUN MORE CYBERSE EXENTEDERSgood thing theres like 10,000 of them.
I'm a little sad because I've been using Droll to counter Maxx C in FS Vaalmonica but oh well. Droll's a cancerous card in every other scenario so it's what it's.
>>724612604holy based
>>724614630that's also sex...
>>724614881You WILL play the roach game this is MAXXter Duel.
>>724614906who is this artist?
NEW THREAD>>724614968>>724614968>>724614968>>724614968>>724614968NEW THREAD
>>724614876Bro, you don't have to pretend that "having to run more cyberse extenders" and that having to draw those extenders isn't a downside. You can think the overpowered deck is overpowered without pretending it's absolutely invincible to everything.But yeah man, One Time Passcode exists as the 10,00th cyberse extender so surely that means that Maliss doesn't care about anything.
>>724614906Sex is boringBellygrab is where it's at
>>724614940https://x.com/memento_vivi
>It's another negate that doesn't lose you card advantage or have a real downsideBan all negates that aren't ultimate providence.
>>724615016GOATed artist
>>724615310He draws the softest Selettrice's.I requested a Lo from him, but he never replied back. And yes he does take commissions.
>>724613825Morganite stun is cope as fuck. You need to open a 3 card combo to summon Vanity/Majesty's for free when a Barrier Statue NS usually does the same, on top of opening up the deck to an actual Ash weakness.
>>72461538650 attack lo just has mosquito bites though.
>>724616030I still want to see them.
>>724616109Well, she is a qt. I've been playing a lot of voiceless lately, I wonder if this banlist will help it. Never really had a problem when going first against maliss or ryzeal, but one less called by for dyna mondo will be nice.
>>724616109i find it so weird that the spell doesn't also protect itself from targeting
Ryzealbros.... what is our cope gonna be......
>>724614026Fatty
