Why did it fail?
only boomers were interested in this shit
>>724595080Too complex compared to souls games which are the current gold standard for action games
>>724595080Microsoft was in charge of marketing
>>724595080Looks like typical Platinum slop. It’s hard to tell it apart from Bayo 3 or Astral Chain.
>>724595546This excuse again when random indie games constantly go viral because they‘re actually good and word of mouth markets games better than any paid campaign could. Stop coping
>>724595080It's a game for Ninja Dogs.
>>724595080Remakes are more interesting i guess, tons of people were covering 2 Remake, and i dont know shit about this series
>>724595080It was too soulful and good for 'modern audiences'
Because they listened to e-celebs.
>>724595080Shitty gameplay, should've learned from Stellar Blade
>>724595080>Discard everything related to the legacy of the franchise, make it very obvious they want a new setting with a new cast of characters totally unrelated to all the previous games>Barely keep the fucking protagonist of the series in the game because they knew there would be riots if they didn't>Game looks and feels nothing like NG1, 2 or 3>The new cast of characters all suck fucking ass except for Seori who dies anyway>The new setting is dull as fuck and almost every trailer/advert for the game looks like it takes place in a fighting game practice stagePlatinum confidently refused any effort to appeal to legacy fans and also completely failed at grabbing a new audience because all their ideas for narrative and aesthetic are fucking awful.
>>724596639>feels nothing like NG1, 2 or 3That's just patently false. 4 feels way closer to 2 than 3 does.
>>724596896The gameplay of 4 is closest to NG2 for sure but only in the negative ways. The game devolves into izuna drop > quick charge UT spam and focuses on iframes almost as much as NG2. Apart from that it is its own thing. The gameplay is good overall but nothing compared to 3RE combat.
>>724595080Combo inputs play somewhat like a fighting game which is a genre that is on life support for a reason.Those who might have been willing to check it out did not want to do so for a beefy price of 70 bucks.That also came amidst a massive price increase for game pass that made a massive amount of people cancel their subscription so there's even less people able to even check it out.The fanbase is overwhelmingly in the spectrum but at the annoying obnoxious cunts side of things so there's next to no engagement since no one wants to interacts with them.A combined failure of many factors that mostly have nothing to do with the actual quality of the game itself.
who is the new gay looking twink i don't want to play that
>>724595970jillions of indie games come out per year, of course some of them will be a hit. You ignoring the 99.999% of indie games that don't even reach triple digit sales
>>724597284>Combo inputs play somewhat like a fighting game>XYXXXY
>>724597109i might like it then, because i found 3re to be absolute ass
>>724596896no it doesn't
>>724595546This. Microsoft or any related to its gaming side becomes radioactive.
>>724595970Indies are massively successful currently because of price. Its much more easier to sell your game when the price of entry is low. For $70 games you need to market it very well to convince enough people to spend the price.
>>724595080$70 USD
>>724595080I didnt even know it came out until i saw a thread on here, shit had 0 marketing
>>724600904Same, literally went and bought it because of this thread lol
>$70what is microsoft endgame here
I’m getting around to it. I finally beat Ninja Gaiden 2 tonight.
>>724601091Phones are so fucking retarded bro why would I want an upside down picture
>>724595534Its piss easy just sqr + X then in the air press Triangle to enter a fight then press sqr sqr sqr triangle triangle until the Tako dies rinse and repeat and block with block button or raven block + sqr.
>>724595080$70 is unreasonable for a 10 hour game. And it's Ninja Gaiden in name only.
>>72459508070 dollars for a game worked on by platinum
>>724595080Game Pass. MS funded development so it still succeeded.
>>724595080>muh niche gameExplain fucking digimon time strangers then
Feels good to not to be a devout NG fan. Just look at all these people coping. Ahhh.....
>>724595080Because you only play as Ryu briefly, and are forced to play as a cringe edgelord nobody asked for.
>>724597284>Combo inputs play somewhat like a fighting game which is a genre that is on life support for a reason.good jokethe only fighting game with dial a combo system is mortal kombat and mortal kombat sucks
>>724603976yes just like hi fi rush did
>>724605460it's 3d like tekken, vf, doa, soul calibur. all of those have similar combo strings
making it about some gay twink instead of Ryu
its priced 299 in my country, its too expensive for me
>>724595080$70 price tag
>>724605705tekken doesnt have a dial a combo systeminput buffer exists in tekken
>>724605992this is literally it, absolutely retarded move. If the price had been say 30-40 bucks it'd sell far more and make far more money
>>724595080It's strange cause people seemed fairly hyped at the beginning of the year when they shadow-dropped Too Black. That got shit on quite a bit by the hardcore miserable fuck community, then Ragebound was mediocre, and I guess 8 months or whatever it was is a long time. People have short attention spans.
I only buy games that are dead on arrival and this is one of them
>>724595534>too complex>this shit fucking game turned into a flashy shitty action game that itagaki always hatedpls stfu faggot
>>724607219Less flashy than NG2, retard.
>>724595546It's not even exclusive to the xbox why were they in charge of marketing?
The main character looks like some kpop faggot
Ryu's peepee
>>724607260The animations and weapons are shit sadly
69.99
>>724595080who the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck programmed the targeting system in this game? it's the most unfun shit in the entire known world. if modders cant fix the soft lock on, this game has no long term potential. i will never revisit it
>>724595080No memes. Successful character action games like DMC or MGR have a lot of memeable moments. This is wooden with the whole badass, mostly silent silent protagonist, which is an outdated trope from the 2000s.
>>724595546Jeez, no wonder they didn't market it. They're pushing Obsidian queer RPG stuff cause that's selling rn.
>>724606346there's a massive fucking buffer in ninja gaiden dude have you ever played it
Any Yakumo r34?
>>724607591speaking of massive fucking buffers, i hate how you can charge an olut mid izuna (during the fall) and it just works against 90% of mobs. makes most of the moveset irrelevant
>>724595080Niche genre with no marketing.
>>724595080Replacing Ryu was an odd choice for a series return after so long. I also feel like it should have been $60. It's wild how much better NG2B looks than this game, and while it's not what's important, a lot of people will view the game as lower quality because of its presentation. The game also just has terrible art direction so it doesn't look good in images and trailers. It feels good to play, but it's hard to sell to new players. So, you've alienated old players by ditching Ryu, and you haven't brought the shallower elements in for new players to be enticed. It's also terrible that there are no real unlockables in the game, other than the one thing. I'm enjoying the game a lot and it's getting good word of mouth, but it took a lot of missteps.
>>724607709it doesn't always kill and essences spawn really late for some reason in this so chaining is pretty finicky
>>724607918yeah, but the blood essences also linger without you needing to hold block this time around, so it's so easy to just olut like crazy. what a shame that after all this time they still cant balance uts worth a shit
>>724595080>CAG in 2025>Released over a decade after the series practically died>No memeable moments to get shared on TikTok and attracts zoomers>Most of the old NG fans are mentally ill schizos that have a shrine to Itagaki's cock and automatically hate everything after vanilla NG2Anything else is cope.
>>724608005>but the blood essences also linger without you needing to hold block this time arounduhh no it doesn't, everything gets whirred in if you stop blocking or attacking
>shatinum>sidelining Ryu>entire game takes place inside a warehouse
>>724608585definitely feels like they dont get sucked in so long as you keep moving. might be my imagination, but it seems more lenient than ever before
>>724595484No we're not.
>>724608743you can move and jump around but only if you hold block, same as before. as soon as you let go everything gets sucked in.just tried it.
>>724608838interesting. i'll experiment more myself tomorrow. maybe fire up black and see why exactly it feels different, or if I'm just making shit up
Ryu was a side character in his own game
>>724595080Braindead combat with zero sex appeal unlike stellar blade
>>724595080no meme jack I am america shit esl love nor gay jrock
>>724609490This game does feel lifeless compared to that. I hope platinum doesn't go down.
>>724595080Shitty animations and just generally really poorly made and cheap feeling. missing all the details and design intricacies that made ninja gaiden good.it's also called "Ninja Gaiden 4" yet doesn't feel like ninja gaiden, has far less content than the first 2 and doesn't feature Ryu.technically Ryu is "in the game" but it's the most botched low effort port job ever. He's missing 95% of his mechanics and abilities.
>>724595080Made exclusively for faggot
I want to fuck Yakumo
should've called in Ninja Gaiden: Bloodraven and charged 40 for it, bang you'd double your profit
>>724610128I was thinking more "Platinum Presents: Ninja Boy."
>>724610204It's still better than fromshits ninja clone
it'll be a future cult classic and I'll make 999 threads about the game
>>724595080It doesn't work on intel cpus
>>724610443Law of the internet: anything that's shitty becomes a masterpiece in 10 years. Happened with Razor's Edge. Happens with every goddamn pokemon game. It'll happen here too.
>>724610379very low bar. fromshit don't even know how to make basic action games.everything they do is clunky and unresponsive with the worlds slowest animations.
>>724610586Razors Edge was always good
>>724610586it happened with ng2
>cult classic More like cuck classicNobody will be playing or remember this piece of shit of a game in next few monthsThis is also the end of shartinum and team copy paste
>>724595080it's 91% on steam, and among the best action games in existencethe only thing that failed is your gene pool
Why does Ninja Gaiden need a support team of people talking in your ear like it's Gears of War? What happened to just silence? That's what I like about NGB. It's just you on a journey not depending on anyone.
>>724610204Yakuman: dark dragon asylum
>>724595080Truly a concord of action games
>>724611059because they wanted the mgr audience but they didnt show up
>>724611059I turned off voice acting, installed fiend busa's mod that removes that STUPID fucking red haze on the edges of the screen, changed controls to type B (block with LT like the older games), and skipped every single cutscene. Game became 100% better and is now playable.
>>724595546Anything but this is wrong, I've actually gotten a few friends to buy the game and most of them hadn't even heard of it, one of the was even a fan of the previous games.
>>724610443you're already doing that to shill this garbage now.>>724610787meh it was better than NG4 but it made a lot of the same mistakes.way less content than 1 and 2, cheap scripted ass movement sections (basically on rails), cinematic walking bullshit. needless radio chatter.
>>724611259>cheap scripted ass movement sections (basically on rails), cinematic walking bullshit. needless radio chatter.me when a game has a couple of 5 seconds long sections in between fighting enemiesbtw when it's a horrible puzzle or platforming or bow or gatling section it's totally fine
>>724611432you say they're "horrible". they're not NG1 and 2 platforming felt really good. some people just suck at it.and yeah even the worse DMC/Resident Evil Puzzle is far better than forced walking.
>>724611550they are hella mid and never go past jump here and sometimes wall jump therethey don't even force walking to you in most sections, they reworked them so you just run to the encounter instead, the only walk part I remember is when you carry the kid>and yeah even the worse DMC/Resident Evil Puzzletoo bad NG "puzzles" aren't even on the level of trash RE puzzles
>>724595080Hard games are a hard sell unless you're soulsshit. Also Microsoft publishing is a death sentence, Oblivion is like the only game they released recently that actually did well and that's because Skyrimbabies are desperate for TES6.
>>724611846real platfoming and real puzzles are much better.way better than the scripted streamlined garbage in NG4 that plays itself.
>>724611856ng4 is the easiest ninja gaiden for being a smorgasbord of self serve difficulty
>>724611984>real platfoming and real puzzles are much better. would be great if older games had those
>>724611856the games hard but it lets you bash your head against something a million times until you can eventually get through it. It even gives you healing items if you keep dying
Because I'm broke....
Cant do the no hit trials, shit
>>724612191You're a goddamn schizo. they did. they're made with ps2 type design with organic mechanics that work on anything. not just made for some streamlined context hallway shit.
>>724612554>ps2 type designPoP mogs it hard in puzzles and platforming, these things were an afterthought in ng1 and 2They even had puzzle platforming where you looked for how to solve a particular platforming section instead of doing jumps and wall jumps almost everywhere
They made a mistake dropping a new version of NG2. First of all, NG2B looks way better than NG4 does. Second, you get way more weapons in NG2B. What's the point of NG4 when it appears to be a worse game than a remaster of a PS3 remix of an iconic game. That leads into the second reason it was a mistake because it stirred up the hornets nest of NG2 fans and pissed them off that it wasn't NG2 on PC with improved graphics it was Sigma 2: 2. That just set them on a year-long hate campaign prepared to shit on this game. Yes, individually these are all nobodys, but when you search "ninja Gaiden 4" in youtube and all the results that aren't from KT/TN/Xbox directly are people saying don't buy this, it's not real NG, don't get hyped for this game,etc. the small interest any curious newcomers might have is obliterated.
>>724612554not to mention, NG was never on ps2, poser kun
>>724597284....what game did you play?
>>724611194But dude, your ratchet and clank rail grinding cheevos!
>>724606956No game outside of an indie project is going to charge 30-40 bucks. This ain't a 2d metroidvania.
>>724612684Prince of Persia has way clunkier platforming than NG. it needs the rewind mechanic just to compensate.it tries so hard to be realistic and no longer feels like a platformer.it's fine for what it's nowhere near as gamey.
>>724610939>Platinum's best game kills themThis is honestly hilarious
>>724612762but it was made in that era, dumb dumb.
>>724612880>Prince of Persia has way clunkier platforming than NGlil bro uses "clunky" as an argument...>it needs the rewind mechanic just to compensateor maybe it's because it actually requires skill and effort to complete unlike old NG>it tries so hard to be realistic and no longer feels like a platformerthe realistic game about the guy that runs on walls, kills zombies, and rewinds time... okay buddy
>>724595484>>724595546>>724608802This game had no specific target audience
>>724612847the level design in ng4 is so bad. rails, grappling hook predetermined locations, walk n' chats, yellow paint, bottomless pits every-fucking-where, obvious 2 second detours for treasure, collect the stupid dog things with qtes. blows my mind that purported ninja gaiden fans on youtube are calling this a faithful entry
>>724613471did you want something more like black?
>>724613471>blows my mind that purported ninja gaiden fans on youtube are calling this a faithful entryMost millennials that still play vidya became retarded slop consumers who will praise and enjoy literally anything as long as it is related to some IP they played as a kid.
>>724595080This looks like some low budget indie game
>>724613164The movement.. it tries so hard to make all the moment realistic.if you played the OG PoP you'd understand its design roots and how far it deviates from more mechanically free gamey platformers.
>>724613516I did, but I didn't expect it. the series has gotten progressively more linear. i guess ng4 is less linear than ng3, and has less qtes and walking sections, so it's marginally better, but that was already an extremely low bar
>>724613471Nah, the level design is good.
>>724613612It does have more qtes. Just because the rail grind section don't literally display A and LT, RB on screen as prompts doesn't mean it's not QTE. In that respect it's worse than RE. I actually think the wall climbing sections were more interesting than what we got in 4
>>724613768good point, you just convinced me. it's good
>>724613768Nah, it's bad.
>>724613954The rail grinds are QTEs though, you've got agency with what you're doing, it's minor but they can play out differently depending on what you do, they even slip secrets you can take if you take the right route. The kunai climb is slow, clunky, awkward, and especially stupid since all you're doing is something Ryu already does just fine without them.
>>72459508070 bucksMicrosoft publishing Dead genrePlatinum artBarely sexy
>>724607567And Outer Worlds 2 flopped. What a bunch of idiots for pushing a game that ain't selling.
It’s the pacing from the levels and enemies that drag the game down. Chapters in the middle of the game overstay their welcome, and some enemy gauntlets are insufferable. However, it highlights a larger problem with action games, in that really only fighting humanoid enemies is ever fun. Genichiro, NG4’s Commander, Gehrman, all these more recent bosses have that in common. Honestly think about most bosses in action games with how they’re trying to add variation to the enemy roster. That big chicken from DMC1, Metal Gear Ray, that flying jet demon boss in NG4. Action games have a problem with making non humanoid enemies interesting to fight.
>>724596454Which the modern audience never existed.
>>724607591its not the same thing dumbass crinja gayden has nothing to do with fighting games
>>724611194I changed controls to type C since it makes L1 for blocking since I am used to that control scheme since I played Sigma 1 and 2, and 3RE on PS3 and PS4(via Master Collection), and 2 Black also uses the PS3/4 control scheme as well for default.Pretty based they gave you an option to use OG controls, or the Sigma controls because fuck the default(type A) controls for NG4 because fuck that using R2 to block while I am more used to the PS3/4 control layout for the NG games.
>>724597284>Combo inputs play somewhat like a fighting game which is a genre that is on life support for a reason.Not only is that not true, but fighting games are bigger than they've ever been.
>>724598380Just like Dead or Alive.
>>724598909you probably will, 4 is incredibly easy to get into, unlike 3RE which you obviously got filtered by. 3RE is the hardest to get into because you actually have to adapt to the new rules.
