Why did it fail?
only boomers were interested in this shit
>>724595080Too complex compared to souls games which are the current gold standard for action games
>>724595080Microsoft was in charge of marketing
>>724595080Looks like typical Platinum slop. It’s hard to tell it apart from Bayo 3 or Astral Chain.
>>724595546This excuse again when random indie games constantly go viral because they‘re actually good and word of mouth markets games better than any paid campaign could. Stop coping
>>724595080It's a game for Ninja Dogs.
>>724595080Remakes are more interesting i guess, tons of people were covering 2 Remake, and i dont know shit about this series
>>724595080It was too soulful and good for 'modern audiences'
Because they listened to e-celebs.
>>724595080Shitty gameplay, should've learned from Stellar Blade
>>724595080>Discard everything related to the legacy of the franchise, make it very obvious they want a new setting with a new cast of characters totally unrelated to all the previous games>Barely keep the fucking protagonist of the series in the game because they knew there would be riots if they didn't>Game looks and feels nothing like NG1, 2 or 3>The new cast of characters all suck fucking ass except for Seori who dies anyway>The new setting is dull as fuck and almost every trailer/advert for the game looks like it takes place in a fighting game practice stagePlatinum confidently refused any effort to appeal to legacy fans and also completely failed at grabbing a new audience because all their ideas for narrative and aesthetic are fucking awful.
>>724596639>feels nothing like NG1, 2 or 3That's just patently false. 4 feels way closer to 2 than 3 does.
>>724596896The gameplay of 4 is closest to NG2 for sure but only in the negative ways. The game devolves into izuna drop > quick charge UT spam and focuses on iframes almost as much as NG2. Apart from that it is its own thing. The gameplay is good overall but nothing compared to 3RE combat.
>>724595080Combo inputs play somewhat like a fighting game which is a genre that is on life support for a reason.Those who might have been willing to check it out did not want to do so for a beefy price of 70 bucks.That also came amidst a massive price increase for game pass that made a massive amount of people cancel their subscription so there's even less people able to even check it out.The fanbase is overwhelmingly in the spectrum but at the annoying obnoxious cunts side of things so there's next to no engagement since no one wants to interacts with them.A combined failure of many factors that mostly have nothing to do with the actual quality of the game itself.
who is the new gay looking twink i don't want to play that
>>724595970jillions of indie games come out per year, of course some of them will be a hit. You ignoring the 99.999% of indie games that don't even reach triple digit sales
>>724597284>Combo inputs play somewhat like a fighting game>XYXXXY
>>724597109i might like it then, because i found 3re to be absolute ass
>>724596896no it doesn't
>>724595546This. Microsoft or any related to its gaming side becomes radioactive.
>>724595970Indies are massively successful currently because of price. Its much more easier to sell your game when the price of entry is low. For $70 games you need to market it very well to convince enough people to spend the price.
>>724595080$70 USD
>>724595080I didnt even know it came out until i saw a thread on here, shit had 0 marketing
>>724600904Same, literally went and bought it because of this thread lol
>$70what is microsoft endgame here
I’m getting around to it. I finally beat Ninja Gaiden 2 tonight.
>>724601091Phones are so fucking retarded bro why would I want an upside down picture
>>724595534Its piss easy just sqr + X then in the air press Triangle to enter a fight then press sqr sqr sqr triangle triangle until the Tako dies rinse and repeat and block with block button or raven block + sqr.
>>724595080$70 is unreasonable for a 10 hour game. And it's Ninja Gaiden in name only.
>>72459508070 dollars for a game worked on by platinum
>>724595080Game Pass. MS funded development so it still succeeded.
>>724595080>muh niche gameExplain fucking digimon time strangers then
Feels good to not to be a devout NG fan. Just look at all these people coping. Ahhh.....
>>724595080Because you only play as Ryu briefly, and are forced to play as a cringe edgelord nobody asked for.
>>724597284>Combo inputs play somewhat like a fighting game which is a genre that is on life support for a reason.good jokethe only fighting game with dial a combo system is mortal kombat and mortal kombat sucks
>>724603976yes just like hi fi rush did
>>724605460it's 3d like tekken, vf, doa, soul calibur. all of those have similar combo strings
making it about some gay twink instead of Ryu
its priced 299 in my country, its too expensive for me
>>724595080$70 price tag
>>724605705tekken doesnt have a dial a combo systeminput buffer exists in tekken
>>724605992this is literally it, absolutely retarded move. If the price had been say 30-40 bucks it'd sell far more and make far more money
>>724595080It's strange cause people seemed fairly hyped at the beginning of the year when they shadow-dropped Too Black. That got shit on quite a bit by the hardcore miserable fuck community, then Ragebound was mediocre, and I guess 8 months or whatever it was is a long time. People have short attention spans.
I only buy games that are dead on arrival and this is one of them
>>724595534>too complex>this shit fucking game turned into a flashy shitty action game that itagaki always hatedpls stfu faggot
>>724607219Less flashy than NG2, retard.
>>724595546It's not even exclusive to the xbox why were they in charge of marketing?
The main character looks like some kpop faggot
Ryu's peepee
>>724607260The animations and weapons are shit sadly
69.99
>>724595080who the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck programmed the targeting system in this game? it's the most unfun shit in the entire known world. if modders cant fix the soft lock on, this game has no long term potential. i will never revisit it
>>724595080No memes. Successful character action games like DMC or MGR have a lot of memeable moments. This is wooden with the whole badass, mostly silent silent protagonist, which is an outdated trope from the 2000s.
>>724595546Jeez, no wonder they didn't market it. They're pushing Obsidian queer RPG stuff cause that's selling rn.
>>724606346there's a massive fucking buffer in ninja gaiden dude have you ever played it
Any Yakumo r34?
>>724607591speaking of massive fucking buffers, i hate how you can charge an olut mid izuna (during the fall) and it just works against 90% of mobs. makes most of the moveset irrelevant
>>724595080Niche genre with no marketing.
>>724595080Replacing Ryu was an odd choice for a series return after so long. I also feel like it should have been $60. It's wild how much better NG2B looks than this game, and while it's not what's important, a lot of people will view the game as lower quality because of its presentation. The game also just has terrible art direction so it doesn't look good in images and trailers. It feels good to play, but it's hard to sell to new players. So, you've alienated old players by ditching Ryu, and you haven't brought the shallower elements in for new players to be enticed. It's also terrible that there are no real unlockables in the game, other than the one thing. I'm enjoying the game a lot and it's getting good word of mouth, but it took a lot of missteps.
>>724607709it doesn't always kill and essences spawn really late for some reason in this so chaining is pretty finicky
>>724607918yeah, but the blood essences also linger without you needing to hold block this time around, so it's so easy to just olut like crazy. what a shame that after all this time they still cant balance uts worth a shit
>>724595080>CAG in 2025>Released over a decade after the series practically died>No memeable moments to get shared on TikTok and attracts zoomers>Most of the old NG fans are mentally ill schizos that have a shrine to Itagaki's cock and automatically hate everything after vanilla NG2Anything else is cope.
>>724608005>but the blood essences also linger without you needing to hold block this time arounduhh no it doesn't, everything gets whirred in if you stop blocking or attacking
>shatinum>sidelining Ryu>entire game takes place inside a warehouse
>>724608585definitely feels like they dont get sucked in so long as you keep moving. might be my imagination, but it seems more lenient than ever before
>>724595484No we're not.
>>724608743you can move and jump around but only if you hold block, same as before. as soon as you let go everything gets sucked in.just tried it.
>>724608838interesting. i'll experiment more myself tomorrow. maybe fire up black and see why exactly it feels different, or if I'm just making shit up
Ryu was a side character in his own game
>>724595080Braindead combat with zero sex appeal unlike stellar blade
>>724595080no meme jack I am america shit esl love nor gay jrock
>>724609490This game does feel lifeless compared to that. I hope platinum doesn't go down.
>>724595080Shitty animations and just generally really poorly made and cheap feeling. missing all the details and design intricacies that made ninja gaiden good.it's also called "Ninja Gaiden 4" yet doesn't feel like ninja gaiden, has far less content than the first 2 and doesn't feature Ryu.technically Ryu is "in the game" but it's the most botched low effort port job ever. He's missing 95% of his mechanics and abilities.
>>724595080Made exclusively for faggot
I want to fuck Yakumo
should've called in Ninja Gaiden: Bloodraven and charged 40 for it, bang you'd double your profit
>>724610128I was thinking more "Platinum Presents: Ninja Boy."
>>724610204It's still better than fromshits ninja clone
it'll be a future cult classic and I'll make 999 threads about the game
>>724595080It doesn't work on intel cpus
>>724610443Law of the internet: anything that's shitty becomes a masterpiece in 10 years. Happened with Razor's Edge. Happens with every goddamn pokemon game. It'll happen here too.
>>724610379very low bar. fromshit don't even know how to make basic action games.everything they do is clunky and unresponsive with the worlds slowest animations.
>>724610586Razors Edge was always good
>>724610586it happened with ng2
>cult classic More like cuck classicNobody will be playing or remember this piece of shit of a game in next few monthsThis is also the end of shartinum and team copy paste
>>724595080it's 91% on steam, and among the best action games in existencethe only thing that failed is your gene pool
Why does Ninja Gaiden need a support team of people talking in your ear like it's Gears of War? What happened to just silence? That's what I like about NGB. It's just you on a journey not depending on anyone.
>>724610204Yakuman: dark dragon asylum
>>724595080Truly a concord of action games
>>724611059because they wanted the mgr audience but they didnt show up
>>724611059I turned off voice acting, installed fiend busa's mod that removes that STUPID fucking red haze on the edges of the screen, changed controls to type B (block with LT like the older games), and skipped every single cutscene. Game became 100% better and is now playable.
>>724595546Anything but this is wrong, I've actually gotten a few friends to buy the game and most of them hadn't even heard of it, one of the was even a fan of the previous games.
>>724610443you're already doing that to shill this garbage now.>>724610787meh it was better than NG4 but it made a lot of the same mistakes.way less content than 1 and 2, cheap scripted ass movement sections (basically on rails), cinematic walking bullshit. needless radio chatter.
>>724611259>cheap scripted ass movement sections (basically on rails), cinematic walking bullshit. needless radio chatter.me when a game has a couple of 5 seconds long sections in between fighting enemiesbtw when it's a horrible puzzle or platforming or bow or gatling section it's totally fine
>>724611432you say they're "horrible". they're not NG1 and 2 platforming felt really good. some people just suck at it.and yeah even the worse DMC/Resident Evil Puzzle is far better than forced walking.
>>724611550they are hella mid and never go past jump here and sometimes wall jump therethey don't even force walking to you in most sections, they reworked them so you just run to the encounter instead, the only walk part I remember is when you carry the kid>and yeah even the worse DMC/Resident Evil Puzzletoo bad NG "puzzles" aren't even on the level of trash RE puzzles
>>724595080Hard games are a hard sell unless you're soulsshit. Also Microsoft publishing is a death sentence, Oblivion is like the only game they released recently that actually did well and that's because Skyrimbabies are desperate for TES6.
>>724611846real platfoming and real puzzles are much better.way better than the scripted streamlined garbage in NG4 that plays itself.
>>724611856ng4 is the easiest ninja gaiden for being a smorgasbord of self serve difficulty
>>724611984>real platfoming and real puzzles are much better. would be great if older games had those
>>724611856the games hard but it lets you bash your head against something a million times until you can eventually get through it. It even gives you healing items if you keep dying
Because I'm broke....
Cant do the no hit trials, shit
>>724612191You're a goddamn schizo. they did. they're made with ps2 type design with organic mechanics that work on anything. not just made for some streamlined context hallway shit.
>>724612554>ps2 type designPoP mogs it hard in puzzles and platforming, these things were an afterthought in ng1 and 2They even had puzzle platforming where you looked for how to solve a particular platforming section instead of doing jumps and wall jumps almost everywhere
They made a mistake dropping a new version of NG2. First of all, NG2B looks way better than NG4 does. Second, you get way more weapons in NG2B. What's the point of NG4 when it appears to be a worse game than a remaster of a PS3 remix of an iconic game. That leads into the second reason it was a mistake because it stirred up the hornets nest of NG2 fans and pissed them off that it wasn't NG2 on PC with improved graphics it was Sigma 2: 2. That just set them on a year-long hate campaign prepared to shit on this game. Yes, individually these are all nobodys, but when you search "ninja Gaiden 4" in youtube and all the results that aren't from KT/TN/Xbox directly are people saying don't buy this, it's not real NG, don't get hyped for this game,etc. the small interest any curious newcomers might have is obliterated.
>>724612554not to mention, NG was never on ps2, poser kun
>>724597284....what game did you play?
>>724611194But dude, your ratchet and clank rail grinding cheevos!
>>724606956No game outside of an indie project is going to charge 30-40 bucks. This ain't a 2d metroidvania.
>>724612684Prince of Persia has way clunkier platforming than NG. it needs the rewind mechanic just to compensate.it tries so hard to be realistic and no longer feels like a platformer.it's fine for what it's nowhere near as gamey.
>>724610939>Platinum's best game kills themThis is honestly hilarious
>>724612762but it was made in that era, dumb dumb.
>>724612880>Prince of Persia has way clunkier platforming than NGlil bro uses "clunky" as an argument...>it needs the rewind mechanic just to compensateor maybe it's because it actually requires skill and effort to complete unlike old NG>it tries so hard to be realistic and no longer feels like a platformerthe realistic game about the guy that runs on walls, kills zombies, and rewinds time... okay buddy
>>724595484>>724595546>>724608802This game had no specific target audience
>>724612847the level design in ng4 is so bad. rails, grappling hook predetermined locations, walk n' chats, yellow paint, bottomless pits every-fucking-where, obvious 2 second detours for treasure, collect the stupid dog things with qtes. blows my mind that purported ninja gaiden fans on youtube are calling this a faithful entry
>>724613471did you want something more like black?
>>724613471>blows my mind that purported ninja gaiden fans on youtube are calling this a faithful entryMost millennials that still play vidya became retarded slop consumers who will praise and enjoy literally anything as long as it is related to some IP they played as a kid.
>>724595080This looks like some low budget indie game
>>724613164The movement.. it tries so hard to make all the moment realistic.if you played the OG PoP you'd understand its design roots and how far it deviates from more mechanically free gamey platformers.
>>724613516I did, but I didn't expect it. the series has gotten progressively more linear. i guess ng4 is less linear than ng3, and has less qtes and walking sections, so it's marginally better, but that was already an extremely low bar
>>724613471Nah, the level design is good.
>>724613612It does have more qtes. Just because the rail grind section don't literally display A and LT, RB on screen as prompts doesn't mean it's not QTE. In that respect it's worse than RE. I actually think the wall climbing sections were more interesting than what we got in 4
>>724613768good point, you just convinced me. it's good
>>724613768Nah, it's bad.
>>724613954The rail grinds are QTEs though, you've got agency with what you're doing, it's minor but they can play out differently depending on what you do, they even slip secrets you can take if you take the right route. The kunai climb is slow, clunky, awkward, and especially stupid since all you're doing is something Ryu already does just fine without them.
>>72459508070 bucksMicrosoft publishing Dead genrePlatinum artBarely sexy
>>724607567And Outer Worlds 2 flopped. What a bunch of idiots for pushing a game that ain't selling.
It’s the pacing from the levels and enemies that drag the game down. Chapters in the middle of the game overstay their welcome, and some enemy gauntlets are insufferable. However, it highlights a larger problem with action games, in that really only fighting humanoid enemies is ever fun. Genichiro, NG4’s Commander, Gehrman, all these more recent bosses have that in common. Honestly think about most bosses in action games with how they’re trying to add variation to the enemy roster. That big chicken from DMC1, Metal Gear Ray, that flying jet demon boss in NG4. Action games have a problem with making non humanoid enemies interesting to fight.
>>724596454Which the modern audience never existed.
>>724607591its not the same thing dumbass crinja gayden has nothing to do with fighting games
>>724611194I changed controls to type C since it makes L1 for blocking since I am used to that control scheme since I played Sigma 1 and 2, and 3RE on PS3 and PS4(via Master Collection), and 2 Black also uses the PS3/4 control scheme as well for default.Pretty based they gave you an option to use OG controls, or the Sigma controls because fuck the default(type A) controls for NG4 because fuck that using R2 to block while I am more used to the PS3/4 control layout for the NG games.
>>724597284>Combo inputs play somewhat like a fighting game which is a genre that is on life support for a reason.Not only is that not true, but fighting games are bigger than they've ever been.
>>724598380Just like Dead or Alive.
>>724598909you probably will, 4 is incredibly easy to get into, unlike 3RE which you obviously got filtered by. 3RE is the hardest to get into because you actually have to adapt to the new rules.
>>7246184043 its so broken you can get stuck in a level cause a turret its invincible KEK
The game looks ugly to me. The main character is also not Ryu. Everything I keep learning about this game from the threads keeps proving to me that this is NG in name only. They took way too much liberties with the game and are pretending like its along the same lines as the Itagaki games when it is not.
>>724620809funny itagaki tis dead before he can retook his edgy internet persona and criticize the game
>>724618404>we've already reached ng3re revisionism
>>724620809It plays like the older games, to some, any differences at all mean it's entirely different but the way you engage with enemies and the ways they engage with you, your movement, priorities in a fight, the way the game makes you think about encounters, it's far more like Ninja Gaiden 2 then anything else.
>>724595080Looks like a mobile gacha gameWhy should i play this when i can play modded sekiro
>>724621291Because it's better than modded Sekiro
>>724621203is it more ninja gaiden 2 than sigma and black?
>>724621291>modded SekiroSekiro has a modding scene? QRD?
>>724621630In terms of combat, it has it's own style in the mix but yeah it resembles NG2 the most. Outside of combat, the campaign and levels resemble Ninja Gaiden Black more, it's the most complete feeling game in the series since Black.
>>724621825you can fight malenia without bullshit self healing mechanics and stagger meaning more than juggle her critics to death
i've not played a NG game beforei remember hearing the sigma versions are dogshit and the black versions are the go-tos, is that UE5 NG2 remake a good starting point?
>>724595080Aesthetic and story are sub par for me, I'll play it some day for the combat
>>724623684Ideally you'd get a Xbox and play NGB and 2 with backward compatibility. If you are stuck on other hardware, 2 remake and 1 sigma are good enough.
>>724621357Wish I could help the game somehow but I can't, all I can do is shrug my shoulders and enjoy it
>>724595080Felt and looked like a ps2 game
>>724595546never forget their neutered NGB2 trailer
>>724614447>Action games have a problem with making non humanoid enemies interesting to fight.I want to do a deep dive on this because it’s reue but you’re the only other person I’ve ever seen say so. I can’t think of many action games with interesting non-humanoid enemies/bosses, and I’m not sure why.My suspicion is it has to do with animation tells, we naturally are best at intuiting motion from small tells when assessing the human form. Maybe.
Yellow paint yellow paint yellow paint
>>724597109>The game devolves into izuna drop > quick charge UT spamSkill issue
When is /our guy/ MORK going to upload his review? He's gonna rip this game a new asshole. I saw Bog's thoughts on it so I know what's coming.Man, you should watch Farnham's vod on it. He hits the nail on the head 12 hours straight on what's wrong with the game.TbQQh I liked the game enough to play it a but I'm not very discerning, I just want current thing to escape reality with. But Farnham is right the whole thing has nothing to do with NG it's its own thing. If you love *SLURP* platinum slop then you'll probably love this but if you were expecting something like the NG of yesteryear you can forget it
And when is mark doing his Earthion review? Review shmups, you retard.
>>724626040>I want to do a deep dive on this because it’s reue but you’re the only other person I’ve ever seen say so.It's a very common criticism of ng2 and its bosses. There's a reason people shit on pretty much every chapter that isn't 1, 2 or 11. All the engaging interactions come with being able to crowd control human sized enemies. With larger foes it's just a race to delimb with occasional wind path.
>>724626995>I outsource my thinking and critical skills to youtube brownoids who seethe for viewsOkay? Congrats.
>>724595970>marketing is a scam because grassroots marketing sometimes works
The only way to save this mediocre franchise is to sell the ip to fromgods
>>724627126You misunderstand where I'm coming from. I had the same feeling after clearing the combat trials. Unlike Farnham I liked the game but I was like "yeah, he right". There are frankly a lot of criticisms I have of the game but it still comes together as a pretty fun action game. I don't have the same standards as a guy like Farnham that wants a particular experience. I just love vidya games and this was far from the worst but it's quite flawed and I'd easily rank it below the other NGs. I already uninstalled after clearing it on MN but I'll play the expansion and see what they got.
>>724627232Fromshart is kinda boring. There's not much to it. SotE really pushed the limits of what you can do in a souls game. Sekiro was basically as bland as NG4 but Sekiro had better art direction for their shitty boss rush game.
>>724613471>bottomless pits every-fucking-whereThat's a good thing but they should kill you instantly, and the enemies should try to push you into them>>724613612You are, like most people, confusing level design with levels structure. And can you exactly explain to me why are 30 seconds long walkie-talkie sections worse than 30 seconds long empty spaces that you have to walk through? Why do you think "linear" means bad?
>>724627396>don't have the same standards as a guy like Farnham that wants a particular experienceYoutube schizo just wants ng2 again? People like him and the other schizos who rerun ng2 24/7 will never be satisfied unironically. Let them seethe.
>>724613602ah yes, og pop, I am sure it was the design bible for the PS2 trilogy
it's fun. liking it better than 2 to be honest. but god damn it is ugly. typical platinum game. good combat but disgusting to look at. also i love that the very first thing i'm treated to is disgusting yellow paint on some cliff sides.
>>724628201You can change the color of the paint, there's a couple of gray ones that are the least obtrusive.
>>724626995>/our guy/ MORKlollmao evenNot anymore
>>724627232The easiest most obvious way to save this franchise is to make a game starring Ryu, Ayane and Momiji front and centre with lots of unlockable costumes. It won't be gigantic but it's guaranteed over a million sales (which is several times more than what this thing sold)
>>724628201It really is such an ugly damn game. Must be one of the worst art directions I've ever seen in a game. For 90% of the game the only colours on screen are black, brown and with a blue tint over it all. The sewer level gets interesting visually but it's not much.
Is FSR/DLSS mandatory to tone down the jaggies? TAA does literally nothing and you don't have any other option. I'm not happy with default image quality, any way to improve it?
its really hard going back to shallow mindles mashers like ng and dmc after having experience actual game design of fromsoftware dark souls series
>>724629483Make female character optional or a seperate campaign
>>724629624those games are slop, like ai generated level of slop. Once you've played one soulslike you don't need to play any other
>>724629483Make a full fledged spinoff with Ayane where she get her pussy out
>>724629736Yea these action games are like ai generated slop
>>724629624I know this is bait but always funny seeing opinions like these out in the wild.
>>724629624I played ds3 at my friend's place, such a boring and simple game
>>724629624
>>724630265>no shmups clearspathetic
>>724630323you don't punch people in shmups so I don't care
>>724629624This whole genre (hack n slash) got stuck in 2010s unfortunately and never evolved much because it's too risky and zoomers are too braindead to design them or care. Platinum is the only studio that tried to experiment with games like astral chain but apparently according to the masses the game is shit because it isn't like muh DMC. >game design of fromsoftwareI know it's a joke but the best thing about fromsoft games used to be exploration and general experience, not the janky combat. There's place for both but most customers want to have some impossible, ultimate, platonically ideal game instead.
>>724595080I honestly thought it was some remake slop when I first heard about it not a new game. They should'of called it New Ninja Gaiden 2025
>block, dodge OR parry -> gleam -> ObliterationFeels good man.
>>724630676It's literally called Ninja Gaiden 4
>>7246302655% seems like a lot for the GX story missions on very hard, I got about half but some are much harder than others
>>724630323Schmuck players use savestates and rewinds. All their clears are invalid.
NG games are too hard for soulssloppers
>>724607274because Xbox Game Studios published it and Phil did most of the funding for the game.
>all this copeI don’t care if normies didn’t buy it, it’s kino
>>724595080I literally can't even play the game because of the constant freezes
>>724630603>apparently according to the masses the game is shit because it isn't like muh DMC.It did well for a new IP and Switch exclusive. Also "not DMC" isn't the problem with it, it's that it has too much non-combat sections. Even by Platinum standards. And the combat takes several levels to show it's full hand, in a game with a slow start because of aforementioned non-combat portions.
>>724607260Itagaki hated good game design. You gonna defend Devil's Turd?
>>724631257Sure. I think that the game was full of flaws but it actually tried to do something new and unique. In a sorry state of current AA/AAA games it's something I really appreciate. And that game is already 6 years old.
The fact that normies didn't buy it prove it's kino.
>>72462962410/10 bait.
>>724631802Stop liking evil women.
>>724595080Just want to say that Razor's Edge sucks ass
>>724630265Vanquish's God Hard mode is completely insane. That's definitely much harder than NG2 (and imo not as fun, tough the rest of the game is kino)Also God Hand on hard is utterly insane too even if that's just DIE rank, which can happens on normal.. and very easily, too.People shit on Itagaki for NG2 but I think Mikami was even more crazy. God Hand's rank system makes it so bullshit difficult that even though I consider it a god tier game I still can't rank it higher than NG4.
>>724627046>best version is arcade exclusiveI thought we were done with this bullshit
>>724632252final fight 1 and spikeout are harder than god hand>>724630265no shmups or rhythm gamesyou are a moron
>>724632252Dmc3 suck ass
>>724632515Don't care about 2Dshit but I'll try spikeout eventually. I have my doubt though.
>>724632614>Don't care about 2DshitYOU ARE SHIT
>>724595080Action slop doesn't sell unless its From Sawft
>>724629624This but unironically. Look, I liked DMC and Ninja back in the day. But nowadays, I prefer RPGs
>724632752Are shmups the only single-player genre where your fun is dependent on other people playing the games you like?
>>724629624Nah I played dmc1 last month for the first time ever and that game immediately went into my top 20 games of all time.
Because Microsoft thought this was a great use of money and would surely sell millions of copieshttps://x.com/TeamNINJAStudio/status/1984243962228445458
>>724608612this
What were they thinking with the mid game chapters? The wind valley? the sewers?
>>724629624Why does shitty zero effort bait like this always get rewarded with lots of (You)s?
>>724633667What's wrong with the wind valley? Great level design and enemies.
>>724629624People think this post is joking but forget the level design of NGBlack and DMC, and their almost Resident evil roots.
>>724633571The money wasted on this could have gone into making Ryu have more than 1.5 hours of screentime/playtime
>>724633779It drags on for like 4 chapters. The enemy gauntlet groupings don’t compliment each other with aerial enemies and poison spitters and lanterns. There are points in the chapters too where it feels like running is actually the best option. It’s not abysmal, but it’s struggling to stay at a 7/10 through those areas.
>>724633571And people say this game didn't get enough marketing.
>>724633934I don't think it would translate quite that well to content, but even one extra non-paywalled skin for each character would already be more worth it.
>>724634004I LOVED the gauntlet that has the poison guys, really fun encounters there, felt like a NG2 gauntlet throwing shit at you and forcing you to adapt. But I guess if one of the main reasons why I liked it is one of your low points, it only makes sense you wouldn't like that part.Always like a good "the ground is lava" mechanic, and those spitting guys have surprisingly low HP (at least on Hard), so it's very much feasible to take them out first instead of having no choice but clearing the map before tackling them.
>>724631943never
>>724634029Microsoft paid for the development itself, nobody can say they didn't invest money into it, they just seem too out of touch. You don't need to spend 5% of that to reach the people who give a shit about Ninja Gaiden. Just release good youtube videos going in more depth.
>>724634358Well the the problem is that they did bad marketing and not not enough marketing.
>>724634004I love those chapters and in those difficult sections you build enough berserk anyway>running awayninja dog
>>724633779>>724634004>it feels like running is actually the best option.Skill issue. The levels drag on a bit but the enemy composition is great. Especially the mix of oni, enenra and tengus
>>724633140what?dont insult 2d games dumbass
>>724632614Nta but spikeout is very fun. Mork was on the money with that one. I found myself just booting it up on my deck constantly leading up to ng4's release.
>>724632752Cope
The game is at its best at the Commander samurai fight and it never surpasses that point. It’s a perfect boss fight that encapsulates all the main systems of the game. The game gets nothing out of being 14 hours long. It might as well have been a 3 hour game like the NES titles.
>>724635081How's the xbox version?Maybe I'll play it after I'm done with ng4
>>724595080Go WokeGo Broke
>>724634686You think it is until you go back and analyse it properly, like the campfire with 4 sword oni that specifically has an overpass so you don’t have to engage them. You can’t talk about design with difficult games anyway, because they kneejerk is “gitgud”. We’ll have to wait another 4 years to discuss NG4 properly.
>>724635721>NG game>a boss fight "encapsulates all the main systems of the game"That's not how this series work. The main appeal is the fights where you're outnumbered, not the 1v1 boss fights. This game having such good bosses is honestly just a bonus that wasn't critical at all to make it, but they did it anyway. All the other levels get great bosses but especially more interesting mob fights so I'm glad it's so long.
>>724635771but enough about Elden Type 2 Ring
I wish the lasers on chapter 12 did A LOT more damage, that one with the two machines on both sides of the arena is one of the coolest encounters in the game, but getting hit by them isn't enough of a penalty, at least on Hard.Hopefully Master Ninja makes them bullshit like they should be.
>>724595080the genre is deadcrowd control is boring beat em ups died for a reason but i guess team ninja and platinum never understood that
>>724636198don't get your hopes too up for such a little thing, they're the same damageyou can't have bullshit in modern gaming, look at how many people complain about chapter 6. Just complete bitches that wouldn't finish NG2 even on medium
>>724635998In that case it’s another conversation about blocking having a limit then and enemies with 7 attack strings. The mechanics of 4 are tuned to about 1-3 fast, humanoid enemies where you can clearly read Raven form intercepts. As soon as there’s too much on the screen, you’re just mashing and running up Arial combos and Doom finishers to avoid getting hit. The reason bosses work well is because they become a mechanic checkpoint where the player attention can slow down and focus. There’s a clear hurdle. Beating 15 enemies however, doesn’t really equate to much.
>>724636219>boringIn 2025 the most exciting things in gaming are riding horses in empty fields and looking at numbers going UP in vampire survivors' clones
>>724636306It really is a shame, >>724635857 is not wrong about "git gud" shielding hard games from criticism, but it's just as true that people's egos don't let them admit when they're at fault and they blame the game too much.It's really telling when you play a game that is otherwise not too challenging, come across a boss fight that is just pure kino and tests your knowledge on the combat, then you google it to see people's reactions and you get a flood of reddit threads saying "it's not even hard, it's just tedious"Bullshit builds character.
>>724636453multiplayer games are the most popular titlesfor most players shooters and mobas are the most exciting games
>>724636219>beat em ups died for a reasonIndeed, and the reason is: normalfags are stupid, have shit tastes, don't know what they want, cannot appreciate actually good products and much less actually good art.
>>724636550>multiplayer games are the most popular titlesmobile games are
>>724607326/thread
>>724635857>you don’t have to engage them.and then you ranking suffer from it?
>>724636513Gamerdads ruined everything, if they can't beat something first try on hard difficulty(their ego won't let them turn the difficulty down even if it's specifically made for them) then the game is just badly designed and tedious and annoying and needs a nerf
>>724632252lol sekiro charmless+demon bell mogs these outdated PS2 shovelwares
>>724636729fighting games were better than beat em upsstreet fighter 2 did a favour to the world by killing other arcade gamesdeal with it bitch
>>724636865>it's LE good.. because it's LE HARDER!!!Fuck off sekiro schizo, back to your tranny discord.
>>724636803counter strike 2 is the most popular game on steam
>>724636939so she admits she couldnt beat it lol git gud filtered
>>724636890yeah they're beat em up instead the game has a shelf life since it become unplayable if there aren't enough smelly troons for you to fight against.
>>724636997No matter how many modifiers you add all the fights are the same though, sekiro is a shallower than most actual rhythm games.Cope, fromtranny.
>>724607326In what ways, pray tell?Because he has gook hairs?
>>724637069third strike is active on fightcadeguilty gear +r is still aliveold games are still playable thanks to rollback
>>724637181>No matter how many modifiers you add all the fights are the same though,big words coming from a ninja gayden fanboy
>>724637524Show your NGB Master Ninja clear, pussy. Fuck Master Ninja. Show me your Hard clear. You can't. You never even unlocked the difficulty.
>character inaction games
NG2 is fun to get better at, but never really fun to play imo, NGB was better
reminder: do not reply to delusional dmc babies who think they belong in the conversation
>>724637253Yes and he looks like a skinny faggot
>>724635751No idea, I'm emulating the arcade version.
>sekiropure test of skill>ngpure test of iframe abuse "skills"
>>724638204and he acts like one too
>>724595080I can only argue that DoA and NG are dead franchises in the eyes of the western consumer. NG4 is a pretty good game
>>724638234>forced to play on Easy Mode where missing deflects don't deal any damage on a first playthroughwhat skill?
>>724626995As soon as I took in the suck-to-target gap closing on basic attacks I knew there was gonna be a good EU review.
>>724636865Don't text in class anon.
It's crazy that Fromfags think of those games as being like NG or DMC. The more that Souls has tried to be like action games, the less appealing they've been to much of their original audience.
>>724626995>Man, you should watch Farnham's vod on itHe's just an old man that hates everything. He says shit like "every line of dialogue spoken in this game made me want to punch myself in the head," that every enemy design is bad, "the whole game sounds like somebody stepping on wet Pringles," he would only replay it with the music off.Just every single fucking thing has to be hyperbolic dogshit with him. It doesn't matter what games you play, you can't be cool while being that much of a whiny faggot.
>>724639792Yeah, can confirm. I was much more of a DMC player until Demon's Souls made me appreciate a bigger focus on level design and slower paced fights. The more it strayed from that, the less of a reason I saw to not just return to DMC.I still replay DMC4 and 5, I still replay Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 1, I don't really touch Dark Souls III or Elden Ring anymore.
>>724639801Well, Yakumos voice actor sounds fucking retarded so for once i actually agree with that retard farnham
>>724628201I know it's inconsequential and ultimately not a huge deal, but this game has the most egregious use of yellow paint I've ever seen, bordering on parody. It's everywhere and there's practically zero plausible justification for it, even though a lot of the areas are literally straight lines.I mean, it's practically a non-diegetic element at this point, like a giant glowing "GO!" arrow in a beat 'em up, even though that defeats the whole purpose of it. It's crazy if you go back to RE7 and RE2R and see how much more restrained it is there and how much better integrated into the environment. And it really doesn't need to be like this, does nobody listen to the HL2 dev commentaries anymore?
>>724640397Literally not a single area is a straight line, every chapter has a hidden purgatory or goudies or sub missions.
>>724595080Honestly for me the constant focus on literally almost nothing but the very first level in its marketing made the game seem really small in scale and low budget. I only ended up buying it once people actually got their hands on it and I could see some new stuff
>>724639907Largely same as you. I'll call them Fromfags, but I still enjoy playing those first couple Souls games mainly for the level design and art direction. I played Elden Ring a couple times but the whole boss design meta of delayed omni-tracking AOE attacks because these games gave too much freedom to the player is just not as engaging as much simpler and slower bosses in earlier games. I'm just also fine with stricter limits on what the player can do.And then when I want to play an action game, I go to DMC3 or NG 1/2.
>>724639792Fromsoft only increase attack timing to the enemies and give the player boring ways of coping with it like summons or short animations on specifically broken skills. If they incorporated a mechanic like clashing for attack/skill/equip types players could mitigate some attacks without needlessly speeding up the game or turning it into something else entirely. I'm talking about being able to suffer chip damage if you time a prolonged flurry attack against miquellas flurry attack, nullifying heavy strikes with heavy hammer or shield blows, shooting water at fireballs lobbed at you etc. None of it needs extra animations just displace the actors when needed. The more they can lean into RPG mechanics worked into the (formerly) methodical gameplay the better it would even open up more variety with puzzles if they cared at all. Sadly they'll keep churning out utter goyslop.
>>724638983A reminder of what "bamham suck to target" actually is and why people making the comparison are either being dishonest or just repeating what the ecelebs who talked about action games while they were growing up were saying without putting thought into it.In Batman you don't even know what combat animation will play when you press the button, there is no consistency, the game just chooses based on distance. Yakumo's moveset move him forward a lot, yes, but a set amount, and the strings are constant and you know what will happen with every button press because you pressed it and the strings are predefined.Only exception is OTs, those do suck to target, yes.Good game, by the way, shame the sequels ditched the structure for open world trash. Why does this happen to so many series anyway? Did a single game series got better for going open world?
