How would you defeat it?>just wa-Time limit: 15 minutes
I move closer to extend the time limit
>>724597972you can't defeat a black hole, or it wouldnt be a black hole
Could a black hole just randomly poop up in our galaxy?
>>724597972i unsheathe my white hole
>>724597972I'll never even come in contact with this thing>>724598198no, not unless you decided to create a matter-implosion device (and no those stupid ass diamond anvils aren't gonna do it)
>>724597972>summons a white hole and an anti black hoecheckmate
>>724597972>Time limit: 15 minutesin what reference frame?
>>724598198Yes, it's called the galaxy center.
>>724597972I sploog into it and proudly create millions of new gods.
>>724598198Black holes don't poop, you're thinking of white holes.
>>724597972Call over a police hole.
>>724597972Fire hawking radiation at it
>>724597972>defeat itthis is one of the boss-encounters you are supposed to losejust go in, you'll be finethere is a lot of false information about black holes they are not that bad
>>724597972summon a bigger blackhole to absorb it
>>724597972Delta Accel Synchro Summon
Shine a flashlight to it so it's no longer black.
>>724598198One of the theories for the origin of the supermassive black holes that serve as galactic cores is that they were caused by something called "direct collapse" which is when matter was just so dense that it just takes a small nucleation point to start drawing all matter around it towards the center, and there is so much infalling matter it gets so big so fast that there's no stopping at the star-phase because the pull of gravity means electron and neutron rebound limits get plowed through.
>>724598457nice try celestial shitposter
>>724597972go somewhere else
>>724598421black holes emit hawking radiation tho, two blacks holes close enough to """fire"""" or shoot hawking radiation at each other would just coalesce and make a bigger black hole
>>724598198all the world governments are working together to make one on earth.
>imagine this sheet of paper represents space, the shortest path between these two points is a straight line right ? What if I told you there's a even shorter path...
>>724597972I wouldn't, I'd turn 360 degrees and walk away.
>>724597972I move the time reference point inside the black hole.
>>724597972i would simply eat him
>takes everything without asking or permit>Blacki see
>>724597972>fall through the event horizon>subjective experience of time is extended to infinity due to time dilationLater virgins
>>724598142>you can't defeat a black hole>dumbass doesn't know about dual sigularities>dumbass doesn't know about white holes>absolute moron doesn't know about gravastars>Anti matterblack holes are smalltime now, not even the most impressive shit out there
>>724597972>throw objects with negative mass into black hole until it dissipatesIt's just that shrimple.
>>724599014You just described a bunch of things that would only add more matter to the black hole and make it bigger
>>724598198Our galaxy is filled with them. If you mean our solar system, then yes. One could be quietly zipping by going close to the speed of light. It wouldn't even have to hit us, just get close enough to fuck up our orbit. We'd just notice the sun getting smaller and smaller each day until the subsidizer of our lives is just another dot in the sky. The fruits of knowledge are utterly destroyed and the last remnants of existence hide away in the tree of life in the hopes of another sugardaddy before said tree withers away.
>>724598721>muh geodesicHow about you geodesuckmyballs
>>724599014A black hole would behave identically to antimatter as it does to regular matter, because a black hole's gravity only depends on its mass, not its composition.
>>724598897Proper Time doesn't change bro
>>724598803Fun fact, when something crosses the event horizon of a black hole it inverts its time coordinates with space coordinates.Which means you can only move towards the singularity because it is an event at a fixed point in your future.
>Phase 2 starts
>>724599186The chances of a black hole coming close enough to earth to make any difference are smaller than (you) winning the lottery in a million attempts
>>724597972close the game and wait 300 trillion trillion trillion ^1000, then load the game and a cutscene will play where it dies of old age
>>724597972Just wait a while and it will go away
>>724597972Reminder that black holes are just the product of applying retarded jewish pseudo-science without stopping to check if that make sense.Gravastars are what you actually get from collapsing mass, but Einstein's cultists don't want to ear about it.
>>724598198The same way you defeat Lord Singuloth.you don't
>>724598897Your personal clock will ALWAYS tick at the rate of one second per second. Just like everyone else's. Its not a big deal and you'll never experience any kind of meaningful discrepancy because because everyone is in the same frame of reference, and even astronauts in the space station for months and months and months will only get their clocks off by a bit.
>>724598198Galaxy? Already exists, in our solar system, I'm almost certain. If you mean in a range where we can see it with the naked eye, then
>>724597972>>724598619>>724599014>>724598897>all these awesome things and there are people who still believe it's all just coincidence and not made by some entity
>>724599641>get their clocks offHehe you said get their clocks off.
>To late to explore the planet>Too early to explore the galaxyFast forward me to two thousand years from now when interstellar travel's as common as going to the store
>>724599921There's nothing wrong with getting your clocks off. It's just a natural thing that we should accept. Although you don't want to do it too much.
>>724598631Gunther should've been named Epep
>>724599910>thinking one thing excludes the other Real hylik energy
>>724599910>all these awesome things and there are people who still believe it's all just coincidence and not made by some entityWhat if we are the entity
>>724599921mom used to work in the public school systemshe mentioned that a teacher told her once something like a 1st or 2nd grade student brought on a magazine whose title she initially misread as Huge Clocks
>>724598721I wish wormholes were real
>>724600001You get to explore the science of gender!
>>724597972how can i plug it with my dick
>>724598897>be me>go to space six flags>try out black hole experience>come back>newborn baby brother is now in a nursing home
>>724597972Mathmatically? Negative Energy and Negative Mass. No, I didn't say "Anti-". Negative Energy and Negative Mass takes away takes away energy and mass from, well, energy and mass. The more you add to a system, even a black hole, the less energy and mass it'll have. Infinite gravity doesn't matter when black holes still have finite energy and finite mass.
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>>724599186>We'd just notice the sun getting smaller and smaller each dayWouldn't it go beyond just simply "noticing"? It'd be the end times for the entire fucking planet
>>724600371
>>724598619I just saw black holes as an explosion that lagged the server so hard that it plays out piece by piece over 10^(between 60 and 70) something years
>>724597972I throw your big ass mom into the black hole to plug that bitch up.
>>724600371>>724600424both of you are profoundly retarded
>>724600424
this is now a Space Engine thread
>>724599641>implying Time is not real, it's something all of our consciousnesses agree upon at this primordial diet for convenience
>>724600483fence shitter
>>724598198only if he's indian
>>724600513
>>724600483This is why women wont fuck you. Elaborate you uneducated genetic deadend.
>>724599910
>>724599563The concept of black holes follows from basic Newtonian physics. For black holes not to exist you need to assume either an infinite speed of light or an arbitrary upper limit on the force of gravity.The modelling of what's actually happening inside of a black hole's event horizon is imperfect without a theory of gravity that works with quantum physics, but there's no doubt that they do exist.
>>724598294>anti black hoeMy waifu
>>724600580
>>724600638i've had more fun with KSP than any bethesda game
Antimatter and dark matter are fake and gay bullshit
>>724597972I wouldn’t, I would listen, which no one else did
>>724600001>when interstellar travel's as common as going to the storeUnless you get some space magic, that's unlikely to happen. Interstellar travel isn't impossible, the average distance between two stars in the milky way is only about 5-7 light years. With existing technology you could build something today that could get a human to alpha centauri inside of a human lifespan (you'd need global cooperation and literally all the money, but its perfectly doable). If you build a fuck huge orion drive with a shitload of construction and resource extraction stuff packing the hold. You go from the solar system to alpha centauri, and immediately begin bootstrapping to build large solar collectors around the local star, and then set that up as a giant M/LASER that you can now use to send light-craft back and forth between the solar systems. You could have a one-way trip in 15-25 years. Then the ship that built the solar collectors begins to expand and build space habitats to expand into, as well as a new orion-drive ship to launch to the next nearest star to do the same thing. If you could somehow keep everyone on task, it would be possible to have a human outpost around most stars in the milky way in about a million years. And as we learn from the kzinti lesson, your giant fuckoff solar collectors build around you star also do double duty of being big fuck off death rays that can fry anything trying to come into the system that you don't want there. You can also use it to transfer data, so you could communicate between systems, there would be a lag of years between two systems, sure, but its not such a lag that you wouldn't be able to communicate and exchange ideas and information with your closest neighbors, keeping a general contiguous sense of humanity. You also have so many resources to exploit and room to expand that there's no reason to become belligerent with your neighbors. If you can get a fusion rockets working then it makes it an even easier process.
>>724597972Eh, the original XBox can safely absorb it and its mass won't change noticeably.
Do black holes bulge at their equator as they spin? If so, what would happen if a black hole spun so fast that it formed a taurus shape?
>>724600513>>724600580>>724600718What the fuck is this and what I am looking at?
>>724600426Some scientists unironically think black holes work like thisAll of the mass collapses into the smallest possible space it can physically occupy, then it rebounds just as quickly from its perspective. But because of extreme time dilation it would take longer than the age of the universe for the rebound to actually happen, so all black holes are still obscured by their event horizons.
>>724600513On my old laptop, I remember running the free version in full screen and kept going forward while setting my speed higher and higher. I don't even remember how many orders of magnitude higher than the speed of light I was going, but I remember seeing the scariest shit I had ever seen in a video game. My poor integrated GPU was absolutely shitting itself in a surreal kind of way. I had gone too far and I watched as my computer was pushed past its limitations into a vibrant kind of broken. It was fine after a reboot but my heart was racing something fierce
>>724600835They literally make antimatter in labs, anonIt has actual practical applications
>>724599014>white holes>gravastars>Anti matter>dual sigularitiesnew fear unlocked
>>724598198https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-ray_burst
>>724600074nah i am the entityand i ain't doing any cool shit for any of you anymoreungrateful bastards (as a whole, maybe not you specifically)
>>724601081That's what Hulk did to his cousin, right?
>>724601014nta, like what?
>people afraid of black holeswhy? just don't fly into it.>b-but it sucks you instars and planets also have gravity and if you collide with one you also die. if anything stars are more dangerous because of radiation.
>>724601014Yeah but it's it not in any meaningful amount?
>>724599910It could but dont expect that entity to give a single fuck about you, dont expect god expect the visitor from look outside.
Blackholes as you know are not real and yet another "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE" fairy tale.It all stems from the assumption things can just get heavy enough to collapse into an infinitely tiny dot which makes no sense and impossible. It's so retarded they had to invent a billion cope around it like Hawking Radiation to make any sense of this science fiction they made up.>but what about the black and orange jpeg space jews published?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz8RRN8rY00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc9PB_4F-OUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlrTe1mi5EQTL;DR: fake and gayOh also dark matter is not realSun is not liquidMoon landings were fakedEinstein is a fraud and wrongcope and sneed
>>724601196heard of a PET scan? the P is positron, the antiparticle of the electron.
>>724600870Human's are too incapable of seeing grander scales to work together that long, wouldn't even last a year
>>724598198Bro, there are already tens of millions of black holes in our galaxy.
>>724601051Why fear? All 4 would kill you before you could even begin to process what happened, it would be so instantaneous you would instantly cease to exist with no pain being able to register in time.Just like those 4 dudes in the sub
>>724601342I wanted to call you a schizo faggot, but your anime pic convinced me you're legit.
>>724597972Rewrite the story. This isn't a joke. I have a game where the final battle happens inside one of those. The characters have to rewrite reality to stop it.
>>724601051Sadly the white hole is affected by the "you wont do shit" laws of physics so it wouldnt really help you that much against a black gorilla hole.
>>724600927Gravitational lensing. Lots of gravity warps space, which effects the trajectory of light. You can see a lot of objects in the night sky that are duplicates of each other because of this effect. I remember one story about scientists watching the same supernova, named Requiem, 3 different times at completely different dates because some trajectories are closer than others. 2037 is gonna be the year the 4th copy of the supernova happening reaches us.
>>724601226Black Holes are inherently scary just because they the uncanny valley of celestial objects. Objectively speaking Black Holes really aren't that interesting, they're about the same as any other thing that will kill you if you get too close to it. A star will reduce you to nothing long before you even touch the surface. A pulsar or a magnatar can strip the electrons from your atomic structure. But something about Black Holes are just unacceptable to the average person. Because what the fuck do you mean time and space switch vectors at their event horizon? What do you mean we don't know what a singularity is? What do you mean light can't escape it? A hole in space just "feels" wrong which is why they retain their status as the "mysterious dangerous thing" in the public eye, even though there's are a lot of mysterious dangerous things out there.
>>724601525https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abwdDrohI2Q
>>724597972With love.
>>724600870oh you can see 2000 years in to the future? im going to live for 2000 years just so i can give you the middle finger through your third eye.
>>724598198>poop upYes, once the population of India reaches critical mass
>>724601356I see that's interesting. But why would a positron be classified as antimatter?
>>724601691Theoretically if you were a god like being 10 times the size of a black hole, could you fuck it?
>>724600663>accretion disk spins so fast that it hits a hard-cap near the speed of light
>>724601226kind of, but the big ones get really fucking big
Just reverse its spin to an equal degree.Shrimple as.
>>724598198There are probably trillions of black holes just racing randomly through space.We'd notice once one got close enough though.
>>724600897Yes and no. Look up a Kerr and Kerr–Newman black holes. Its not a torus, more like a bagel with a closed up hole. I don't think you could get an actual torus (without godlike powers to manipulate the fabric of space itself) because it still rotates around a single axis.
>>724601876Then what? Activate the hidden thrusters on earth to get away?
>>724601850Infohazard, the universe is in danger now.
>>724600001>Too early to explore the galaxyhow do you even do this? everything is thousands upon thousands of light years away. wouldn't you just die on on your space ship of either boredom, ship part failure, old age, etc?
>>724601920>universe is in danger now>implying it already isn't somewhere out therelike the higgs field breaking, wouldn't its effects not be able to reach us since we expand at ftl speeds
>>724601815If you were 10 times the size of a black hole and made of matter, you would just collapse into another black hole>>724601913Really there'd be nothing we could do. We'd just die. Like a lot of things. But asteroid headed towards Earth? We'd just die. Gamma Ray Burst pointed right at us? We'd just die. Cornal Mass Ejection? False Vacuum Decay? Dead, dead, dead.
>>724599014Gravastars are just an alternate explanation for the mechanics of a black hole you fucking doofus.
>>724601913Well it will not necessarily obliterate us, it might just send the solar system flying or something like that. If humanity gets a wakeup call you think we would still act self destructive like right now? I'd like to see that.
>>724601797Because it is antimatter as the term is defined. Antimatter isn't some magic thing, if god snapped his finger and instantly turned every particle of matter into anti-matter, and the other way around, you wouldn't notice a thing unless you were an electrical engineer who not needs to remember current flows in the other direction now.
>>724599910Okay but who made that entity?
>>724601971Realistically? A generation ship which means only your descendants get to go to the destination, a FTL drive which is probably never going to happen, or if they find out how to put you to sleep and wake up 100's of years later then it probably won't happen.
>>724601342>Sun is not liquidThen what are sun drops? Checkmate atheist.
>>724602048We're doing the Cold War again even though the last Cold War ended in 1991. Humanity, collectively, is irredeemably retarded with short term memory loss
>>724601815Unless you're a hologram you're ass is getting assimilated. Wait no, light can't escape either, even IF you were a hologram>>724601971Yes, part of the whole difficulty of this is humanity wants things accessible in their own respective lifetimes. Imagine scientists now built a generation ship that can get to the next habitable planet in 200 years, and it launches today, 100 years from now break throughs get discovered that allow them to make a ship that can get there in 20
Aren't we as a solar system travelling at high speed across the universe?And we haven't found a single thing around us.Who cares nigga the aliens don't care about us humans.
>>724602162>you humansHere's the (You) on the house, if this part gets quoted a lot, put me in the screencap, all I ask for
>>724597972Wouldn't a supernova destroy a black hole?
>>724597972
>>724602092And does that entity have entitties?
>>724602110People really don't understand relativistic travel, don't they?If you accelerate enough you can travel across the universe while experiencing barely any passage of time. You don't need FTL.Accelerate to within x% of c and you can go across the entire galaxy and more while only experiencing seconds of proper time. The problem is how much time everything else will experience. For cosmic structures it's not a problem but there'll be no Earth as you know it to return to.
>>724602162Well the problem is that space is big. Really big. If you lose your car keys in it, it'll be really hard to find them again. And the speed of light is too fucking slow. The first radio signal was broadcast from Earth in December 1906. If we assume that radio signal was still radiating out into space perfectly, with zero redshift, that would mean it's about 100 light years away. In a galaxy that's 100,000 LY big. And assuming that any aliens could both detect and interpret the signal. Tl;dr Fermi Paradox is a bitch and we're not meeting or hearing from any aliens. Not that humanity should EVER encounter actual alien life considering the track record with life right here on earth.
>>724602242no, that's just giving a black hole more mass and making it even denser and increasing its pull.
>>724602203things are really far and big. like very really
>>724601971speed of light isn't actually a problem because time slows down as you go faster. the issue is boring things like lack of energy, reaction mass and g-forces flattening you. If it wasn't for those things you could reach alpha centauri in a (subjective) day.
>>724597972Feed it until it explodes into another big bang
>>724602330They're both part of the same process, I guess it wouldn't do anything now that I think about it.
>>724602307Goes to >>724602203Also is 4chan moving slow for anyone else?
>>724602307Personally I'd like to see what humanity would do if an outright superior species ever appeared before us>>724602437Yeah, thought it was my internet but everything else is fine
Within real life? No.In fiction? Easy. Goku could punch a black hole out of existence with ease. He casually stood in one in base lol. Other stronger characters could do it even easier.
>>724602437fetching captcha takes an agethink they're fucking with it to combat spammers
>>724598619iirc so called primordial black holes are an example of this and may date from the period befor the first stars. It is possible every galaxy is just the accretion disk for a smbh.
>>724601971>how do you even do thisI am already saved, for the machine is immortal. >>724602437Taking forever to get captchas.
>>724600424That bottom right one, holy living fuck.
>>724601797Because it annihilates when it comes into contact with an electron, both turning into gamma radiation. Alternatively, you can pump a ton of energy into an area until pair production occurs, resulting in the energy being bound into particle-antiparticle pairs. Antimatter has the opposite spin and charge as normal matter, but the same mass. >>724602267Good luck slowing down, since you're gonna have to pay back all that time.>>724602437This is my 5th time trying to post this, so now I have time to confirm your suspicions in my reply
>>724598031kek
>go up to black hole>put your penis in>it bites it offwhat the FUCK was they/theirem's problem???
>>724597972I spin it real fast
>>724602437I was about to motherfucking call my internet company to cancel and move to a different one. I guess I will be doing that another day.
>alien species visit us>they're made of antimatter>we both die in a horrible explosion as we try to make first contactthe universe is gay
What's goin on in this thread?
>go up to black hole>put your penis in>slurps it up like spaghettiNo greater pleasure, really
>>724601523>All 4 would kill you before you could even begin to process what happenedThat's what you assume.
>>724602307The other big problem is time.Space is big. But humanity has only been looking for aliens in a careful, controlled and coordinated manner for like 80 years at most. For most of our history we could have been bombarded with signals from ayy's and we just didn't have the capacity to receive them yet. Hell we STILL could be bombarded with signals today and we just haven't cracked the tech to even know to look for them yet. Neutrinos might be a candidate for sending signals, so could some way of modulating gravitational waves. We JUST detected our first gravitational waves less than 5 years ago and we still don't have a good way to consistently detect neutrinos. And those are just things we know about. There's a possibility we are missing a big part of the picture in physics, which might open up the door to detecting shit we've never even conceived of before.Saying we haven't found any aliens is like walking into a currently empty public park and saying that no one has ever stepped foot in it before you. Yeah there's no one there RIGHT NOW but you've only been there for a minute.
>>724602756>>724602090
>>724602847>Saying we haven't found any aliens is like walking into a currently empty public park and saying that no one has ever stepped foot in it before you.lmfaoHumans struggle to understand how relatively primitive we are, cause there's no other species outright superior to compare to. It could also easily be we aren't worth acknowledging, when's the last time any of you stopped by an ant hill and checked out its citizens?
>>724602267Reading the Sunflower Saga is a fucking trip.Its way better than Blindsight. Its basically a large crew on a spaceship almost constantly travelling at near c, and even then, almost always asleep. Their job is to build what are essentially stargates, because you have to actually go to where you're going to set up a wormhole to build the exits.They actively discuss being able to see the end of the universe in their "lifetimes".
>>724603045>when's the last time any of you stopped by an ant hill and checked out its citizensoccasionally, only to see if they migrate too close to my home and i have to end them
>>724603113don't you kind of wish you could hang out with ants and ask them how the ant haps are and have a jolly old time?
>>724603220no
>>724603113what if the Ayy's do just that
>>724602860An antimatter ayy lmao vising our universe would know they were in trouble the minute they ran into the first molecule of interstellar hydrogen. Matter and anti-matter cancel each other out by annihilating each other because anything with a charge is always happy to lose that charge and no one is really sure why matter dominated over anti-matter in the universe.
>>724600870>Unless you get some space magic, that's unlikely to happen.Yeah, I'm sure they said that when some dude wished he was in the future where he could instantly send a letter to someone across the world.
>>724603220No, they're jerks best left alone.
>>724603045I don't really like this analogy.Because while aliens might be like humans are to ants, the ants ABSOLUTELY know that humans are around and doing shit. Maybe in a primitive way, but human actions on our environment shape both the immediate and long term environment of the ants.If some super species of aliens existed out there, and they weren't actively trying to hide, conceal themselves, or doing something funky with physics we don't understand yet, then we could absolutely see at least the impact they have on the wider universe. Patches of galaxies stripped of this or that element, darkened stars, large heat signatures without corresponding objects, things moving unpredictably etc etc. They /should/ have some impact on the universe.Admittedly we haven't been looking for some of those signatures, or really looking at all, for very long. But a super species leaves super evidence, unless they're operating on physics we don't understand, psychology we don't understand (like deciding that expansion is lame), or know something we don't (there's a von neuman swarm of intelligence killers or something stupid like that)
>>724599910the scientific method is an attempt to explain that things happen and they are not coincidencesan entity making everything would be a coincidence
>>724598404Pretty sure he's thinking of brown holes.
>>724603360we could impart human values in the ants and get into a religious war with them somewhere down the line. it could be fun.
>>724602048Funny, That was the twist in the Watchmen comic.
>>724598198https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXHZiKu5f90
>>724603487No. I saw how that one ended too.
>>724599563Singularities are a mathematical artifact (even Einstein was clear on this), event horizons are not.
>>724600424>>724602574What the fuck happened to that retarded dog
I feel like an unexplored element about black holes is that they're basically invisible. They're always shown against a backdrop of stars or with a silhouette of light but out in the true blackness of space you'd have no way of actually knowing it was there.
>>724597972I solo because I'm good at rooning
>>724603380Rember the universe is really fucking big and we still have only seen tiny part of it
>>724603380Even that would be a human centric way of looking at progress. If a species were to digitalize it would be very resource efficient. There would be no reason for megastructures or colonies, just redundant data centers.
>>724600897Neutron stars can already spin at a significant fraction of the speed of light due to being extremely dense objects that conserve the momentum of the star they were born fromBlack holes should theoretically have even more extreme angular momentum, but concepts like "spin" and "tidal forces" become complicated when you're describing a theoretically 1-dimensional singularityOne thing that should happen (within the event horizon) is that the effect of "frame-dragging" (the "pull" of gravity on spacetime) becomes so significant that it becomes physically impossible for anything, including light, falling into the black hole to not move in the direction of the black hole's rotation.
>>724603307So they would essentially explode the very moment they entered our field of space>>724603380>the ants ABSOLUTELY know that humans are around and doing shitDo they? Not calling you a liar, but is there proof of that? From what I know ants are practically autonomous >If some super species of aliens existed out there, and they weren't actively trying to hide, conceal themselves, or doing something funky with physics we don't understand yet, then we could absolutely see at least the impact they have on the wider universe. Patches of galaxies stripped of this or that element, darkened stars, large heat signatures without corresponding objects, things moving unpredictably etc etc. They /should/ have some impact on the universe.Maybe there are things that are going on we're just incapable of perceiving, we can't see or interact with air, additionally isn't there quite a few unexplainable things on earth as it is that don't come off as natural occurrences?
I rarely get this feeling but black holes always feel like there's something staring at me from them. So, basically, you're all wrong and there's either something on the other side or the black hole itself is alive.
>>724603916That's a fear of the dark. It's what kept your monkey ancestors alive because there probably was something staring back at you in the dark.
>"Bro, we'd notice if aliens were out there doing shit." - quote from a species that has an effect listed down for when half their population keeps remembering something from the unaltered timeline
>>724603916It's probably that unsettling true darkness, even space has some light, but a peak at true nothing is scary
I go to moon, far from fag's jurisdiction and the moonghosts will not extradite one of their own.
>>724603992I said I rarely get the feeling otherwise. Please stop coping with your outdated theories and accept the new science.
>>724603695what about the hawking radiation?
>>724603916kwab
>>724598142defeat it with a bigger black hole
>>724603759Even if every alien species chooses to go hide out in a near absolute zero K Matrioshka brain, you could still potentially detect the waste heat in places it shouldn't be.>>724603730I'm not saying "we should have found ayylmaos by now!" I'm saying we absolutely should be able to detect ayylmaos eventually if they exist. Unless they're doing weird physics, are weird homebodies, or are all being killed by the real world equivalent of Reapers.>>724603804>From what I know ants are practically autonomousAnts "know" more than most people think. Its not like a scifi hivemind thing, but colonies responds and acts differently when in proximity to human activities. On an individual basis apparently some can even pass the mirror test.>Maybe there are things that are going on we're just incapable of perceivingThats what I mean by weird physics. Its absolutely possible that humans don't have the full picture. And might never have the full picture. My post was saying, unless that is the case, then we should be able to eventually find any ayys if they exist.
>>724604047He doesn't just disregard that other half of false effect and as self inflicted mass psychosis and acknowledges the current timeline as the one "true timeline"NGMI
>>724604075If you're from the moon than you must prove it by passing the moon trials. Err, get the moon trials so we can prove this man does not belong here.
>>724604047>Mandela effectLike half of them are people legitimately misremembering shit, and the other half is the CIA paying companies to gaslight you. Fruit of the Loom is 100% gaslighting everyone, people have found products with the fucking cornucopia in the label. They are lying to your face about that shit.
>>724601971>how do you even explore the galaxy?You don't. Interstellar travel is science fiction and there is no escape from the speed of light.
>>724597972I don't have tosomeone else already did
>>724604157>but colonies responds and acts differently when in proximity to human activitiesThat makes sense, but is it a "humans are nearby" or "intense vibrations are nearby"?
>>724604131Its not "real" radiation.Its a slight differential in energy because fake particles occasionally spawn right at the even horizon and shit.That shit is so weak it would barely power a lightbulb.
>>724598031oh you
>>724604116Your claim is under peer review. I'm your peer. I think you're full of shit. I also have more funding than you and a legion of reddit fanboys who tout my specific brand of bullshit as absolute truth.
>>724601971Thats the biggest roadblock we've had that won't be solved in our lifetime (or ever probably) it takes us long enough to get to the moon. imagine even getting to another planet.
>>724598198I remember reading on cracked.com like 15 years ago or longer that there are roaming black holes flying through the universe at insane speeds, but the universe is so vast and we're so tiny that the chances of one ever coming close enough to us to fuck is up is so extremely small that we don't ever have to worry about it.If one did though all existence on Earth would just cease to be before anyone could comprehend what had happened.Never thought to verify any of that but I think about it every now and again.
>>724604157>I'm not saying "we should have found ayylmaos by now!" I'm saying we absolutely should be able to detect ayylmaos eventually if they exist. Unless they're doing weird physics, are weird homebodies, or are all being killed by the real world equivalent of Reapers.Yeah, but if they are really far away. Apparently we know/have_seen under 1% or like 5% of the universe. It really is fucking big.
>>724604047honestly what would happen if we somehow saw aliens fucking around light years away
Ants really get my motor running. The thought of thousands of them crawling all over my body and my dick just biting the shit out of me gives me a goddamn head rush. Sometimes I like to imagine a world where I can walk outside and just fuck an anthill and all the little ants start to freak out and attack my invading member, but it's already too late, I'm on all fours and just going at it. Raping their home into a pile of rubble and then drowning their queen in my thick semen.
>>724604373For the purpose of the thought experiment, it doesn't matter.Something making intense vibrations is nearby. If an ant could reason like a human, they could then proceed to attempt to discover the source and cause of the vibrations. Figure out if the vibrations are predictable. Etc.As for real life ants, there is really nothing natural that makes the kind of ruckus that humans do. I believe there is some evidence that species of ants build and lay their colonies out differently when in cities vs when far away from humans and I think their foraging behaviors change as well.
>>724600424>duuurrr if god exist why bad thing happen
Oh theres the thread derailer, man I was wondering when you'd get here.
>>724604462It's about 3 months to get to Mars. The moon is about 3 days. Going interplanetary really isn't all too difficult from an engineering perspective. If we can land an SUV that can launch a helicopter on Mars, we can certainly send over a human being.
>>724604470Rogue black holes are thing and they could be pretty much anywhere.And their right that worrying about it is meaningless. In the same way we could be hit by a gamma ray burst, or a really fast meteor, or the whole universe could be in vacuum decay and annihilate us any second. Or you could be hit by a car tomorrow. There's nothing you can do to stop it, or even know its coming. Best not to think about it too much.
>>724604685I think it does matter, I think there's a massive difference between being able to identify and conceptualize an organism thousands of times bigger than you, versus feeling the ground shaking a bit more than usual and relaying that info
Quick, NASA wants to hear your pitch for interstellar travel! What's your genius idea, anon?
>>724604654EZRKV's lots of 'em teach those martians not to fuck around in the white man's universe
>>724604345this is the only show that has made me cry
>>724604478There's also the slight problem that big things are also really fucking small. Sagittarius A* is the nearest Supermassive Black Hole to us. 4.3 million solar masses. An Event Horizon that's about the diameter of our Sun. In our sky it's about the size of a blueberry... on the moon. Space is full of really big and massive things but they're so far away that even looking at that requires extremely complicated math and technology. But we're supposed to see alien spaceships? Around an alien planet. In the void of space? How fucking small would that be? Imagine trying to see the ISS from 50,000 LY away.
>>724604470Yup, the entire planet would get one shot in less than a second, makes the average day to day feel real pointless, right?
>>724604882Fusion Reactors. 10 more years bro
>minding your own business>all of a sudden get sliced in half along with everything else behind you because a cosmic string passed through youfucking unfair ass game
>>724604882Interstellar travel will require the entire planet to cooperate, not just NASA. That's probably one of, if not the top reason it'll never happen
>>724601997>Vacuum DecayThis is one of the few things that upon learning what it was I developed an intense existential dread. I don't like the idea that at literally any given moment in time the fabric of the universe could just decide to unzip itself in a sphere that expands at light speed at any given instant. I mean you can't worry about that kind of thing, since you have no control over it, but it still doesn't sit right.
>>724604882Well I think earlier this year some scientists made a warp bubble. So Alcubierre drive is my guess. AI is dogshit at a lot, but it's really good at figuring out patterns and efficient ways of doing things. So maybe we try brute forcing physics until AI spits out a feasible warp drive?Failing that, and you want a massive stick up your ass, generation ship.
Three. Trillion. Lions.
>>724604843Its about building up a picture. If an ant could reason like a human, the vibrations can be connected to the footfalls of the organism thousands of times larger than you. When the thing moves, the vibrations occur. It can then connect those two as causally linked. Observe the behavior of the huge organism, and try and make more connections. When a lot of them move about an area other things happen, like new mountains are made, new rocks appear, food becomes abundant, but so do poisons etc.But I think what you're getting at is more philosophical. Would the reasoning ant be able to comprehend that the huge THING that causes the vibrations is an ORGANISM and not some sort of force of nature? And for that, I honestly couldn't tell you. If thats how godlike the aliens are, then we might be surrounded by them and not know it. I personally don't really believe thats the case, but I can't completely rule it out.
>>724605152You just need to get a generation or two of spacenoids before they pretty much shed any strong emotional ties to planetcucks, and since there's no need to compete for resources once you colonize space, and no good reason to get stuck in another gravity well, expansion to other stars just becomes a question of when.
>>724604470Here's something that scared me for a while. WR-104 is a star that is expected die in a supernova. It's hallmark is the spiral nebula swirling around it. Now here's the rub: during a supernova explosion, the excess energy fires out in Gamma Ray Bursts at its poles. These Gamma Rays are horrifically energetic. They will burn anything in their path into nothing. And for a while there was a fear that WR 104's poles was aimed right at us. What would keep me awake was that at any time, the light would shine from a 2nd sun that would burn off our atmosphere and kill us all. But fortunately we learned that it's not actually aimed at us and we'll be fine... this time.
>>724605213>Well I think earlier this year some scientists made a warp bubblegonna need more on that, what the fuck
>>724603597he sleeped without a blanket
>>724604882Scan a dude then send a robot with his blueprint and assemble a copy of him at the other end with local materials.
>>724603778cant someone hang onto a long piece of rope and be pulled out from an event horizon?
>OP asks a dumbass question with no realistic answer It's a black hole. It can't be extinguished. It's the deadliest known event in the universe that we're aware of. I don't actually think anything could be devastating/powerful than a black hole. It can absorb stars, planets, honestly anything occurring in the universe.
>>724605416Oh, my mistake. This happened a while ago.https://thedebrief.org/darpa-funded-researchers-accidentally-create-the-worlds-first-warp-bubble/>Good newsWarp bubbles are real and we can make them. >Bad newsWe can only make VERY tiny warp bubbles.
>>724605526The rope will also lengthen/snap
>>724605301>But I think what you're getting at is more philosophical. Would the reasoning ant be able to comprehend that the huge THING that causes the vibrations is an ORGANISM and not some sort of force of nature? And for that, I honestly couldn't tell you. If thats how godlike the aliens are, then we might be surrounded by them and not know it. I personally don't really believe thats the case, but I can't completely rule it out.Yes lmao, that's pretty much what I meant, we are probably looked at as some kind of godly being to all sorts of animals, so who's to say there isn't a tier higher, I really doubt the human is the apex of intelligent life throughout the cosmos
>>724605526No. The Event Horizon is the end. If you hang something past it, assuming you aren't dragged in with it, it would just break. There's no tensile strength that could survive the hellish gravitation
>>724605553Having not clicked that link yet, this threads about the vastness of the galaxy, what exactly is "tiny" being used for here?
>>724605526nah. nothing is strong enough to 'pull out'
>>724605526That rope is immune to the pull, why?
if light speed can't be breached then how come the universe can expand past that speed?checkmate athiestsyou just never bothered to try and beat a photon in a race
>>724605674We are able to make warp bubbles on the micro/nano scale. Which is sub ant.
>>724604882Use nuclear reactors to power a modest ion engine that can maintain 1G of acceleration, then let it run for 8 months until it hits 0.99c.
>>724605726>>724605757>not having super ropedo 3D bumblers really?
>>724600424I find it hilarious people don't think heaven will just be a mosh pit of violenceGod created a planet-wide combat arena where harming others to survive is non-negotiable, deal with it
>>724605761its cheatingnobody is stopping it from cheating. so why wouldn't it cheat
>>724605553probably for the besti would imagine making large warp bubbles would have some pretty nasty environmental effects
>>724604828>>724604979>>724605319I have conflicted feelings. This all gives me a sense of dread that I kinda don't feel like I really have to confront and can't assign to anything else in my life.But also space is fucking sick and if the planet was to go, lets all instantly get eaten by a black hole together or blasted by rays from an exploding star an incomprehensible distance away rather than get blasted by some elected mook with access to a button. It seems the most fair.
>>724605319At least death would be so instant we'd get mind fucked trying to process where the hell we "got teleported to" if there's anything after this>>724605775Boring but a start, and the distance?>inb4 warp 2 feet ahead
>>724605757>>724605726>>724605558>>724605614how about another, stronger black hole but as soon as I get pulled out of the event horizon, I let go so I don't get trapped in the stronger one
>>724605761No object with mass can breach lightspeed. There's also the fuckery that is Dark Energy causing the expansion of space, but if you can figure out what exactly that is or where it's coming from then please let someone smarter than me know
>>724603435But those are only found in the india supercluster.
>>724604470It is possible for extreme objects like neutron stars and black holes to be accelerated to extreme velocities on the order of 1000km/s (1/300th the speed of light) by the circumstances of their formation, or by an interaction with another extreme compact object, or by being ejected from the galaxy following a close encounter with Sagittarius A*.But these objects are extreme even among compact objects, and they're extremely rare as a result. There are probably only around 1,000 "hyper-velocity" objects like this in the Milky Way, out of a population of hundreds of billions of stars. And the escape velocity of the galaxy is "only" around 500km/s, by their nature these objects are being ejected into the vast endless void of intergalactic space and will never return.It is literally astronomically unlikely that one of these objects will ever come anywhere near the Solar System over the entire lifespan of the Earth. If you want to worry about shit coming from space worry about comets and asteroids, we get a decent sized one of them every hundred years or so. And we could maybe theoretically do something about it.
>>724605570My main argument against that is predictability.We haven't really run into any phenomena that are as unpredictable as an organism is normally. Thats not hard evidence, and there are some edge case things that may or may not qualify. But that does wrap back around to what I said farther up. If aliens are playing with physics we don't even know about yet, then we obviously aren't going to detect them until we know about those new physics. If we can even comprehend them at all ever. If aliens are THAT far above us, yeah they could be anywhere and we'd never know.
>>724604919gunbuster has unironically my favorite ending of anything I've ever watched or readit fucks me up really bad
>>724605526No because the magic unbreakable rope you used would become heavier and heavier until it reached the event horizon and became infinitely heavy.
>>724605889>But also space is fucking sick and if the planet was to go, lets all instantly get eaten by a black hole together or blasted by rays from an exploding star an incomprehensible distance away rather than get blasted by some elected mook with access to a button. It seems the most fair.I can agree to that, think I'd rather get atomized by cosmic forces over some suit with too much money>>724605946I'm really hoping the knowledge of dark matter gets unlocked in my lifetime, I feel like it's a mandatory step for any kind of galactic advancement
>>724599910>>724599910I SEE MIRACLES ALL AROUND ME! WATER, FIRE, AIR, AND DIRT! FUCKING MAGNETS! HOW DO THEY WORK?! AND I DON'T WANNA TALK TO A SCIENTIST! YA'LL MOTHERFUCKERS LYING AND GETTING ME PISSED!
>>724598031>>724597972I've thought about something related to this for quite a while and I still have no solid answer.Let's say there's a really massive and dense planet that, from where you're looking at in space, 1 second on the surface of the planet takes 1 year to pass for you. Let's say there's a planet-destroying bomb on its surface.From your ship you can use your cameras and shit to see that it's ticking really slowly, and there's only 10 seconds left until it explodes, which means it'll take 10 years for it to explode from where you're looking.Then you decide to go to the planet to try and disarm it. When you get to the surface the bomb is now at 5 seconds left. If you can't disarm it it means you now only have 5 seconds of life correct?Now instead of the planet it's a black hole. From the math as you get closer and closer to the event horizon the time dilation tends to infinity. Which means that juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust before you cross it the time dilation will be so immense that 1 second for you means 2x10ˆ67 years or whatever the lifespan of a black hole is for an observer outside.Wouldn't that mean that no one would ever be able to cross it as the black hole would evaporate before that?
>>724605912Well it didn't move. Its just a stable bubble of energy that meets the requirements of a Alcubierre warp bubble. Which is exciting as it proves warp bubbles do exist. However to scale them, you'd need a lot of negative energy. And we really don't know how to produce the exotic matter you'd need to do that. So in a pure hypothetical, space ships that can travel via warp drive are possible. And by that I mean you can in theory generate a warp bubble around a space ship. Whether or not you can control the bubbles direction, whether anything inside the bubble will remain stable, and whether the bubble will destroy everything at its destination due to accumulated high energy particles stuck in the bubble during transit is still up in the air.
>>724605943>I let gothe bigger blackhole does not care and will trap you>another even bigger blackholegood luck repeating that forever>>724605804>super ropeand where do i buy that? >cant provide any linkcheck mate >>724605993the real horror of space
>>724605761"Nothing" can go above light speed means that "nothing with informational value" can go above light speed. The void of space can just do whatever since there is literally nothing inside of it.
We haven't really run into any phenomena that are as unpredictable as an organism is normally. Thats not hard evidence, and there are some edge case things that may or may not qualify. But that does wrap back around to what I said farther up. If aliens are playing with physics we don't even know about yet, then we obviously aren't going to detect them until we know about those new physics. If we can even comprehend them at all ever. If aliens are THAT far above us, yeah they could be anywhere and we'd never know.
>>724605889I mean it's the one I'd be the most comfortable with. Some dipshit exploding the planet from the safety of his bunker is just rage inducing. But getting Kamehameha'd from an exploding star? Yeah I can accept that.
>>724605614What if Duke Nukem was pulling it?
>>724605726damn, leg-locked by a black hole
>>724597972With my own universal control of gravity.
Can someone tell me the name of that famous sci-fi horror short story? I don't remember what it was about? I think the heat death of the universe. Some anon mentioned it one time I here. I remember reading it and then having anxiety the entire night and shitting my pants because I'm a wimp. It was quite scary. I wish I had more information, think the main character was a woman.
>>724606096>rope is long enough for me to be between event horizons so I can safely run awaytake that, blackholeposter
>>724606094This is a very exciting stepping stone, was starting to feel like humanity peaked
>>724606096>and where do i buy that?Jesus Christ Emporium>cant provide any linki can provide you these numbers though
>>724606142Duke Nukem falls in. At the center of the singularity is Duke Nukem Forever. He can never leave.
>>724606152pretty hot, right?
>>724605761So here is a thought experiment to help understand the difference between an object moving at light speed, and how technically the universe can expand faster than that.Imagine you have a two pieces of paper. Take another piece of paper and put it between them. Thats space expanding. More "space" has been added and your original two pieces of paper are farther apart, but they haven't "moved". Now add more paper between each sheet. And keep doing that. You quickly see that the more "space" you have, the "faster" the two original pieces move away from each other. Thats how the universe expands. The farther two objects are from each other, the "faster" they appear to be moving away from each other.
>>724604882It couldn't be simpler! The kids tell me what they want, give me the money then I take the bus to the supermarket and bring the snacks back the next day!
>>724604470a black hole scoring a direct hit on earth wouldn't be such a big dealthe real spook is getting sucked out of orbit so everyone but underwater volcano enjoyers dies a slow cold death
>>724606228>was starting to feel like humanity peakedThat's dumb. We've only just gone from horse and cart to planes and going into space in 100 or so years. But because we're not living on the Moon right now we've "peaked".
>>724606178I don't know that story. But if you want a story that's the exact opposite of that to cure your existential dread, you should read Asmiov's "The Last Question"
>>724604882>folds piece of paper in half>stabs through it with a pencil
I wanna talk about infinity for a sec here, the other day I was thinking about how you can take any given picture or object and zoom in on it forever, so despite being finite objects they contain infinity? There's gotta be a flaw in my logic somewhereI guess how it's kinda like how there's an infinite amount of numbers between 1 and 2, infinity squeezed between two defined ends
>>724606272Kek
>>724606385>Last QuestionNTA but that's a classic. It's also something that used to fuck with my head. I know it's a pointless question but something about the universe ending and it being inexorable feels unacceptable to me. It doesn't matter that we won't be at the end. Life MUST continue. Existence MUST continue.
>>724606332If we got yanked out of orbit in a matter that completely removes us from the suns light, that cold death wouldn't be slow at all>>724606343Diminishing returns isn't technically the correct phrasing but hopefully it puts into perspective my point, the difference between horse drawn cart and car is significantly larger than iphone iterations
>>724605553> our numerical model suggestsThis is science lingo for "please give me more grant money". They did not create anything. They took a well known physical effect (casamir forces between tightly spaced charged plates) and "extrapolated" that under extremely precise and currently unachievable conditions, the mathematics in use gives a negative value for energy. In reality, like singularities, getting such an unphysical result shows the mathematics is incomplete and does not explain the system at that scale.
>>724597972I'd punch it really hard
>>724606343I can kind of see the point.I'm 34 years old, yeah?My great grandmother at 34 years old would have gone from horse and buggy being common to airplanes being common.But me? I was one of the last kids in my grade 6 class to get internet. And I guess I saw the invention of the smartphone. But basically all innovation I've seen in my life, besides the smartphone and internet has not been transformative. And certainly not on the level of internal combustion and electricity. 90% of progress in my life so far has been of degrees, not large transformations. And its even worse for zoomers.Innovation has slowed precipitously in the last 40 odd years. And maybe we're just waiting for the next big thing, and maybe that thing is right around the corner. Sure. But I can definitely see someone thinking we've peaked.
>>724606332>a black hole scoring a direct hit on earth wouldn't be such a big dealEarth would be destroyed and every part of it would either be consumed outright, annihilated by tidal/impact forces or turned into radioactive slag deep-fried by gamma rays
>>724606187boy, you not outrunning a BH. i doubt you can run at all
>>724606406Don't conflate an "abstract infinity" with an actual infinity. While it's true that there is an "infinite" number of divisions within a measurement, this does not translate to there being an actual infinite. I'd look at it as the infinities you're talking about containing "redundant" information, but someone smarter than me can probably explain it better.
>>724606572He means we'd all die so fast it doesn't matter compared to a death where you can interpret the worlds collapse around you as you succumb to the inevitable
>>724606082the bomb would instantly explode because of the high density of the planet.you would be crushed because of the high density of the planet.>b-b-but hypothetically there exists no material strong enough to protect the bomb or you from the crushing forces. >Wouldn't that mean that no one would ever be able to cross itYes, because they would be dead by just getting near it. No, interstellar is not a realistic movie.
>>72460656932 here and funnily I also didn't have internet until middle school
>>724598897You're lotsa spaghetti now
>>724604882>Wake up early>Get worms>...>WORMHOLES
>>724598519kek
I think about this image from time to time
>>724599641>Your personal clock will ALWAYS tick at the rate of one second per secondYou personal clock gets faster and faster as you age, it's not a constant at all
>>724606630This is the classic Zeno paradox, which is resolved by having a deranged alcoholic walk out of the room.
>>724601342>Einstein is a fraud and wrongYes, random zoomer on 4chan is smarter than Einstein. KYS
>>724597972throw a blanket over it
If a black hole is small enough we just wouldn't be able to detect it. We can only see the huge ones because they're so huge we can see the bend of the light around them.There would be any number of undetectable black holes, just with masses our instruments can't see. So if you think about it, there could be a black hole in your shoe right now. Waiting for you to put it on.
>>724601342Dark matter is actually seriously up for debate, because the latest data from the James Webb does indeed throw multiple wrenches in the concept and it's frankly just an easy excuse to avoid actually trying to understand things by creating variables that can be handwaved awayThe sun is plasma, not liquid you dumbassMoon landings happened, that shit is lost technology like CRTsEinstein was working with incomplete theories and what he suggested was more correct than the garbage people were working with at the time; physics is largely iterative
The reasonable /sci/ & /lit/ anons vs. the schizo theorist /pol/ & /x/ anons, name a better clash.
>>724606082>Wouldn't that mean that no one would ever be able to cross it as the black hole would evaporate before that?You have to qualify everything when dealing with relativity in a specific frame of reference. From an outside observer, you would never see the person cross the horizon because you don't see the person, you're seeing the last bits of light that were bouncing off of that person as they were falling in that is being slowly red-shifted until its no longer visible light, and bleeds into the infrared and then micro and radio waves that farts off. If you were to jump into a black hole, and assuming you didn't die from all the things that will kill you, you would cross the event horizon and be inside of a new region of space.
>>724607047Yes, 1 year to a 5 year old feels WAY longer than 1 year to a 50 year old>>724607083not him, but it's technically not impossible
>>724599637just throw bags of holding at it until it pops
>>724607069Before he can do that he has to walk halfway toward the doorThen halfway toward the doorThen halfway toward the doorIn the end, can he ever really walk out of the room?
>>724607387Yes and through the process of quantum tunneling, it's technically not impossible to walk through walls but I'm not going to attempt to phase through objects like I'm The Flash because that likelihood is too low to assume it'll ever happen.
The universe is a fractalWe all live in a black holeExpansion is redshiftingNatural laws arise from compression of energyWe're all a simulation on some smelly basement nerd's universe computerLook inside yourself, you know this to be true
>>724607523lol, that guy's a dumbass, but at the end of the day we're all anons, literally anyone could be in here
>>724607598SIMULATION THEORY IS JUST GOD WITH EXTRA STEPS
>>724601523>Why fearmonkey brain dont like
>>724597972This is howhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aADPTpzOPos
>>724607428again, cue diogenes
Been watching Neil Degrasse Tyson videos on YouTube lately and it made me think about antimatter>how come normal matter particles with opposite charges don't annihilate, like electrons and protons?>why do particles/antiparticles with no charge annihilate?>we all wonder why the universe is made of matter instead of antimatter but is it possible that there are entire galaxies of antimatter out there? How would we even tell the difference if antimatter behaves exactly the same as normal matter? Could the antimatter asymmetry just be a false assumption?
>>724607653not reallyreligion assumes god is some higher power that sees all, is all powerful and all-lovingI think he's just some asshole playing cosmic minecraft in his basement, probably looking at it from a single perspective, and the man can't even bypass the DRM on his game to cheat
>>724607774>tfw we're unnamed, unremarkable, unacknowledged and completely forgettable NPC's from some assholes shitty city:skylines build
>>724607854I want to get off Mr. Bones' Wild Ride
>>724607774Simulation theory is an unscientific belief. Its not even a theory because its not falsifiable because the argument can always be made that "Of course they designed it so we couldn't detect that they designed it!"
>>724606038For me, lately, it has been Fire Punch. I reread it recently, and I found the ending really beautiful. It made me feel both really sad and relieved.I didn't like it the first time, though.
>>724607958Nah, I think we'll find some stupid glitch in reality eventually that exposes it for what it isIf we can't code for shit, no way some so-called higher being can
>>724607598What is at the center of it all? The very core of our existence, that emanates all shades of life: Order, Chaos, Black, White, Emotion and Action?Who speaketh the First Word?Truly?Well... reality may shock you... beware the spoilered image that I have provided; click —the light hits your retina, and:>*SNAP*Your entire Universe is changed in an instant.Beware.
>>724607163if a black hole was small enough, it would evaporate too quickly for anyone to notice
>>724606082by moving closer, you increase the gravity well's size, which moves the event horizon infinitesimally closer to youwhich causes it to engulf you
>>724608105kek
>>724607740Literally all of those things have clear answersantimatter has different quark arrangements, annihilation is the strong force fucking off to balance things out, it's not just "any opposite feature of a particle makes it an antiparticle"we would detect antimatter dominated regions of the universe by noting the massive anomoly of energy getting released at the edge where it touches a matter dominated region, even assuming it was intergalactic space with one atom per cubic meter and the low chance of interaction that entails, at galactic scales that would still generate enough energy to be detectible with current tools (which we have used to look for exactly that sort of energy signal and not found it anywhere)Pop Science has done more damage to real science than any luddites or conspiracy theorists, since anyone with a brain can see this blatantly stupid shit being pushed by "established" supposedly trustworthy voices and conclude they're full of shit
When a black hole evaporates, where does all the stuff it collected go?
>>724607598Imagine gravity is fractal. Because light is just a wave, and gravity is just a wave, so imagine there's a big piece of glass that splits up gravity like a prism, so that there's, like, blue gravity and yellow gravity. And then somebody gets hit by the red gravity, and it makes them super heavy, so they have super strength, but, like, they're also really slow. And another guy gets hit by microwave gravity. So he's trying to zap everybody, and just when he's about to zap the main guy, we see a lady come out, and she turns out to be Ultraviolet Girl, and she has Super-Speed, so she beats him. And it, like, also gave her giant cans. -Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow.
>>724607523>because that likelihood is too low to assume it'll ever happen.not with that attitude
>>724607774Omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence come from logical arguments that stem from God creating literally everything.If anything, Simulation Theory is MORE retarded since it makes far more assumptions and relates all of it to how humans make computers.
>>724608197shat back out as hawking radiation over its lifetime, with all information about what it once was permanently destroyed by the nature of the singularity.
>>724608197> When a puddle evaporated, where does all the water go?What exactly do you think evaporation is? The mass is "converted" to gravitational energy then back into mass via virtual pair production at the horizon that becomes physical particles when one of the pair forms outside and gets flung out. The stuff is what's getting radiated out.
>>724608270>>724607523I remember calculating the chance for a baseball to go through a thin wall for a quantum mechanics class. It was something like>This might happen once every 10^14 universe lifetimes>>724608342Wasn't there some recent stuff about information being retained in black holes recently?
>>724608342Right, that makes perfect sense, so the currently alive ones, the hawking radiation is former consumed matter getting put back out? I didn't know black holes could eject things too, but that makes sense, for some reason I was under the impression evaporation would be instant like it just disappears, but it makes much more sense for evaporation to be slow and gradual over an amount of years
>>724608296>logicalBuddy, arguing from an absurd conclusion not supported by any evidence whatsoever is not how you do logic.
>>724608475That's the premise, anon. The logical arguments themselves are sound. You CAN make logical arguments based on absurd premises as long as you keep things consistent.I just think Simulation Theory is retarded and only spouted by subhumans in love with the "aesthetics" of science.
>>724597972with 100,000 lions
>>724608452>I remember calculating the chance for a baseball to go through a thin wall for a quantum mechanics class. It was something like>>This might happen once every 10^14 universe lifetimesjust keep trying !
so is the whole big bang theory just in generally unanimous agreement simply because it makes the most sense even though it might not even be right
>>724608635That's pretty much everything with "Theory" on it.
>>724608464Hawking radiation scales inversely with size. So the smaller the hole the faster it shits. Big ones like Sagittarius A* have an effective temperature below the cosmic background radiation temperature so they would have a net gain even with no other mass but micro black holes theoretically shrink measurably each year, and as they get super tiny the exponential growth really kicks in and they basically go supernova. Never yet observed because such tiny black holes are unobservable with modern tech and all stellar remnant ones will be with us a loooooooooooong time.>>724608452There are several theories about black hole info retainment, shit like holograms on the surface of the event horizon. But hawking radiation is not one of them, it is basically pure entropy.
>>724607740>how come normal matter particles with opposite charges don't annihilate, like electrons and protons?When an electron and a proton merge they turn into a neutron. It's called "electron capture". This is why neutrons have no charge.Interestingly, neutrons will decay into protons over time and emit an electron.
A line without beginning, a line without end
>>724597972>black hole>blackShout "it's got a gun!" and shoot it
>>724608694Holograms were the thing I was thinking of. I recall seeing a presentation about it.
>>724608747It'll just absorb the bullets and establish a rap career. And maybe a video game titled "Blood on the Sand"
>>724599910>awesome things exist>therefore the universe must have been created by a deityWhat's the correlation here? You're missing a crucial connecting clause. All these awesome things could have been coincidences, because the reason we're sat here marvelling at them is that they happened. The fact that we can marvel at the universe isn't proof of a deity as much as it's the result of an indifferent universe having produced conscious, self-aware observers.
I'll be honest with you, bros. I think special relativity is really cool. I wish more things with relativistic speeds took it into account beyond E = ymc^2
>>724608828I think the argument from fine-tuning comes from how exact a lot of constants need to be in order for there to be life at all. This isn't anon's exact argument, but it's similar in nature (teleological). Of course, you could say that the existence of multiverses counters this argument.
>>724608703> When an electron and a proton merge they turn into a neutronand the furtive neutrino, so easily forgotten
sucks we won't be around to witness the galaxy mergerwould be cool
>>724608828I don't doubt the existence of higher beings, but no only does omniscience make little sense (you're telling me, a god thats supposed to be all loving, intentionally sets up some humans to die and suffer?), so does the notion that an all knowing all powerful god of the entire universe really, REALLY fucking cares about this one speck in particular
>>724608814gaslight it about the J'swait for it to become racist and antisemite, so the J's cancel it
I want to get invested in space science, but I always end up rolling my eyes and dissociating when they start mentioning things in incomprehensible time frames. >dood this thing happened BILLIONS OF years>omg we found SO MANY galaxies that are LIGHT YEARS awayAt some point, it stops sounding like science and more like fantasy/religion. Just theories and ideas spread around like facts.
>>724609169Suffering builds characterOn a more serious note, would the absence of evidence for intelligent alien life be an argument in favor of human centric religions? I get that "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence", but you'd think we'd detect something by now. Aliens hiding themselves from humans in particular always seemed like cringe misanthropy to me.>>724609310Why don't you try looking at things on a smaller scale? Or look at more definitive measurements, like how people have been able to calculate those distances.
>>724609310>At some point, it stops sounding like science and more like fantasy/religion. Just theories and ideas spread around like facts.This is the lowest IQ statement in the entire thread
>>724608635It's a common schizo crank thing to try to disprove the Big Bang Theory, but it is genuinely in deep water now. JWST has found multiple galaxies that have impossibly developed some few hundred million years after the Big Bang. The fact it was even able to find just one let alone multiple in such an insanely small patch of sky that it's surveying implies it's very unlikely it's was a fluke. That many galaxies that early in the universe's life could account for the Cosmic Microwave Background which would upend Big Bang Theory in its current form.https://arxiv.org/pdf/2503.15594
>>724608179>we would detect antimatter dominated regions of the universe by noting the massive anomaly of energy getting released at the edge where it touches a matter dominated regionI have no idea what I'm talking about, but could that be a candidate for dark energy?If it was gradual enough maybe it wouldn't be noticed as a big explosion or anything obvious. Just a mysterious amount of energy being released in "empty space" which is pushing things apart.
>>724599014nah supermassive black holes are still the most terrifying thing out there and mog the rest of that shit
The lowest IQ take on aliens is that they don't exist because we don't have proofDo you really think the government would ever let us know they exist? Gets a bit harder to go wage slave knowing there's interstellar wonders out there.
>>724609427I'm willing to agree, especially since he categorized "light years" as a measurement of time.
Could Nietzsche's idea of Eternal Return be more than just a philosophical concept? It sounds like the sort of thing the demiurge would pull
light can't escape it, so i shine my gbc's wormlight at it until it explodes
>>724609525Couldn't you just argue that the big bang is older than initially argued?
>>724609583Where did he do that?
>>724609606I thought about cylical rebirth/returning when I did shrooms once, once I came down from it, it felt like everything, *everything* is one connected self sustaining mega entity
>>724609583Is that not accurate?>No dude! It means distance!Yeah but it measures a set amount of distance over a time period
>>724608635Yes we didn't know shit before and now we can make educated guesses as to what happenedThe earth was believed to be flat and then we thought it was spherical but it's actually slightly elliptical, we were less and less wrong over time.
>>724609417I think "most civilizations self-destruct before becoming spacefaring" is a far more reasonable idea than needing some external power. Look at this shithole, we're obviously going to self-destruct before we colonize other planets.
>>724608635Its a theory and the most accepted one atm until we get new evidence either that or just believe whatever deity you'd rather have the most faith
>>724608635>>724609525You might want to read this. Apparently this was no big deal.https://www.space.com/james-webb-space-telescope-didnt-break-big-bang-explained
>>724609901I mentioned earlier that by far the biggest hurdle in space exploration or any kind of groundbreaking advancement is that the globe would have to work together at it and be united, without backstabbing or ulterior motives, this will never happen.
>"you can't escape an event horizon bro">use my magnet powered spaceship >float at 1m above event horizon>pull out a 2m long stick made of nokias (unbreakable)>stick it in>the half that sticks out can still escape fine>pull it out>epic winProblem, einstein?
>>724609525It's more likely that our basic understanding of physical laws is wrong and that dark matter doesn't exist.Gravity, in particular, has become increasingly problematic as time goes on. People are obsessed with trying to find some way to explain it as a force, but I think at this point gravity is far more likely an emergent property of something else.
>>724607991
>>724609901Doesn't even need to be a space-faring civilization. You'd think we'd see some radio waves or something from them.
Big Beng? how can something come from nothing? who or what created something? and who created that thing that created the something? did the something always exist forever? that doesnt sit right with me.
>>724610016This just made me wonder what distance you've gotta be to be "safe" from a black hole but still be able to personally observe it, guess it changes from hole to hole
>>724609687No. The Cosmic Microwave Background was the discovery that is the main evidence for the Big Bang. If it was proven that the CMB was caused by something else (something earlier in the timeline than the Recombination period), the theory would basically collapse in on itself.>>724609978>space.com>2023This all happened this year. MoM-z14 was discovered in May and we have found more ultra-redshifted galaxies since then.
>>724610079The big bang theory doesn't say anything came from nothing.Only that everything used to be in a singularity that expanded.The idea that there was ever such a state as "nothing" is a religious one.
>>724610102Like you said, it depends. Problem 1 is not getting burned to ash by radiation from its accretion disk. Problem 2 is tidal forces. Black Holes is one of those strange situations where the smaller they are, the more volatile. Stellar Mass black holes might have small Event Horizons, but you can still be shredded by the tidal forces outside of it. Meanwhile you can pass the Event Horizon of a Supermassive Black Hole and not even realize that space itself has been curved in around you. Because singularity is light years away and the distance where tidal forces would atomize you is so deep inside that you can enjoy oblivion for a while before you die
>>724608635It's a theory like gravity is a theoryThe fundamental premise that the universe started from a single extremely small point then rapidly expanded is universally accepted and the development of modern astronomy over the past 70 years has only led to further supporting evidence. There are many smaller details and problems remaining for the overall theory of the formation of the universe, but it is by far our most accurate and complete answer.
>>724610314Right, these recent discoveries aren't an argument against the big bang, they're an argument against dark matter based cosmological theories
>>724610184Nope. I closed it before it finished
>>724599910I've seen this movie>big nature thing happens like lightning and fire and rain>awesome cool thing lmao wtf was that, let me call it gods>big black holes and suns and HUGE FAT FUCK ROCKS floating around being BIG AS SHIT and WEIRD AS FUCK>awesome cool thing lmao wtf was that, let me calwait a secondAnd after eons of research we will find out precisely what's inside a black hole, how it works, how to extract and produce antimatter, reverse entropy, create stars and use all that eldritch learned knowledge toboil water
>>724610314I thought the initial argument for the BBT was seeing stuff move away from each other, with the CMB being further evidence?
have you read the book yet?
>>724610016https://files.catbox.moe/6qgtsi.mp4
>>724607991>>724610052is anno a hack
>>724609734It's implied.>I always end up rolling my eyes and dissociating when they start mentioning things in incomprehensible time frames.>>omg we found SO MANY galaxies that are LIGHT YEARS away>>724609849Nah, it's only a measure of distance. If I measured the distance I could sprint in 10 seconds, I'd only be getting a measurement of distance (i.e. metres). If I wanted to divide that distance by 10, correlating to the 10 seconds it took me to travel that distance, I'd be getting a measurement of velocity (i,e, metres per second, m/s, which can be converted to km/h). Assuming you're the same anon, you should seriously consider watching YouTube lectures on introductory physics in your off time if you're interested. Even if it's broader stuff like documentaries about the history and philosophy of science, the development of modern scientific theories, the history of cosmology, etc. It'll demystify a lot of the things you currently find nebulous, and it might give you a greater appreciation for the scientific frameworks we use to understand the universe and the iterative process utilized to reach them.>t. microbiologist, but did physics in high school and uni out of passion for the subject
>>724610617>Assuming you're the same anonI'm not, but I think I'll go do that anyway, this thread's been fucking great
>>724597972Show it black hole fetish porn until it cringes into itself and disappears
>>724600870Man, this is one of the reasons I want to be immortal. I want to see this stuff happen, it would be cool. I don't want to die not knowing if we'll ever reach that point
>>724601342>aqua fagyou are wrong and I don't need to read your post to know this
>>724609849A light-year is a convenient measure of distance because it's based on immutable physical law, is appropriate for astronomical scales and has actual significance in terms of causality over astronomical distances (because the speed of light is finite, we can only observe extremely distant objects as they were in the past)"One billion light years away" might sound like a meaninglessly large number but it is significantly more reasonable to work with than "ten sextillion (ten billion trillion) (10x10^21) killometers."
>>724610617I interpreted that as him finding the scale to be ridiculous.On the topic of "time as a distance", I remember being amused when someone pointed out that people will colloquially use minutes, hours, and days as "units of distance" since we're assuming a standard speed (usually ~60 MPH, at least in the US). It's basic, but I never thought about connecting it to light years.>>724610709I would personally also recommend looking into the math behind it. Special relativity is surprisingly "simple" when it comes to the basic calculations, for instance.
So... whats the point of Black Holes again? Nothing exists for no purpose.
>>724610726Same, it's super depressing knowing the immense amount of information I'll miss out on
>>724610079>how can something come from nothing?We don't know lolFrom a scientific perspective, time and space began with the Big Bang and the concept of something existing before that or outside of that is nonsensicalNothing could have happened "before" the beginning of time, and nothing can exist outside of space. The universe by definition encompasses everything. Anything beyond that is beyond scientific reckoning; there is insufficient data to provide a meaningful answer.
>>724611045What do you mean by point? Your question is phrased in a "who put them there and why" sense, when they're just the result of a fuckton of matter pressed together impossibly close, more matter than your human brain can conceptualize
>>724611045The point of everything in the universe is to kill you.God tried really hard to make a universe devoid of life.But life... found a way.
Ask it how it would feel if it didnt had breakfast today.Imagine a apple.
>>724611045What is the point of gravity?Black holes follow from it.
>>724597972I challenge it to a dance off and dab on it with my sick moves.
Good a thread as any to ask but do alien theorists ever take into account the idea that aliens might just not really give a shit about us? That they wouldn't even really care to come observe or mess with us for being too undeveloped?
>>724611321the singularity has infinite spin, how will you top that?
>>724611045Everything exists for no purpose.
>>724611327we need a benevolent alien to come and give us some reality changing gift, something that really shatters the foundations of our understandingImagine we're so primitive and underdeveloped we're actually a zoo planet, that *is* being observed
>>724611358Oh yeah? Let's see it then.Oh, that's right, you can't.
>>724610482>I thought the initial argument for the BBT was seeing stuff move away from each otherYes that's where the hypothesis for BBT came from. But expansion can be explained away with something else besides cosmic inflation, e.g. matter-antimatter annihilation pressure in plasma cosmology. The CMB is direct evidence of there being a "bang" in the distant past. Most of the fundamental parameters of the standard model come directly from the CMB. Expansion rate, matter density, the fluctuations of matter that would give rise to the current structure of the universe. Most of the data we get from these telescopes are filtered, we aren't literally "seeing" any of this stuff like a traditional telescope you would look through with bare eyes. The datasets are huge and 99% of it gets filtered out (that black hole image we have had literal tons of HDDs worth of data and only 1 billionth of it was used, by necessity mind you). What would happen if the filters were made under incorrect assumptions?
>>724611327Stop projecting bro, im well developed and totally interesting.
>>724611327my theory is that the universe is packed with simple life, like bacteria and plants, they will appear and grow wherever they cananimals are more rare and intelligent life super rare, like only one race active at a time per galaxyand that intelligent race will only be around for 100k years or so before they are either filtered or advance to a more advanced plane of existenceand so no two races will ever meet, thanks to the time and distance between galaxies
>>724597972black hole looks like that to you from whatever angle?
>>724611527the other thing interesting to me regarding time scales is what if aliens just don't have FTL tech? we've only been sending signals out for a hundred years at best so that's maybe a 100 light year radius around us. they could be on the way but it'll just take a long time. or maybe the other species near us died out in the time it took for out signals to reach. or maybe we missed them by a few thousand years and they just went extinct. or maybe they DID send a signal back but its just going to take 50 years to reach us. time scales on the universe are fucked
>>724611045Black Holes? They're demons meant to cleanse an area once its guardian star(s) have died. They are born from their corpses. Of course, some stars are simply too weak to create one of these monstrosities.>>724611327The issue isn't "Why haven't we made contact", but instead "Why haven't we seen any trace of them". Even if aliens didn't care enough to ever visit us, we'd at least see signs of a suitably advanced civilization through stuff like radio signals.
>>724611683>tfw we will never be able to shitpost on the galactic internet with alienbros
>>724611327How fucking advanced would aliens have to be to not care at allpeople find ants interesting
what does the m in m theory stand forwhy m?
>>724611752It's the inverse of W-Theory
>>724611327I genuinely think that it's just that eukaryogenesis was a once in a galaxy's lifetime event and most aliens are just bacteria. I mean what are the chances of a bacterium eating a smaller one and literally fusing together.
>>724611739People find ants interesting, interesting enough to go seek out and try to communicate with?
>>724611683the universe is too big to look for ayysmegastructures might make it possible to find them but it would also be a beacon saying PLEASE send rocks to fuck us upif ayys exist the game plan is to stay hidden lest you get killed by rocks coming at you at relativistic speeds
>>724611820Yes
>>724611683>alien answer arrives in some years>the number you have called is no longer available (we killed ourself)it is what it is
>>724608989The argument is backwards anyway. The universe only seems "fine-tuned" to us because it allowed us to exist in the first place. If those constants were different, we wouldn't be here observing them. The fine-tuning argument is like pouring a bunch of water onto an uneven surface and then saying that the puddles were fine-tuned to exist, when in reality the only places the puddles could even form were the areas that could gather water.
>>724609417>but you'd think we'd detect something by nowNot really, you don't really understand how fuck-you-HUGE the universe is if you think this.
>>724597972>Time limit: 15 minutesUninstall. I don't play games with time limits.
goals for intelligent races>slop tier, escape into the vr world>strong tier, stay in physical form and colonize the galaxy>ascended tier, turn into pure energy and peacefully explore the universe forever
We dont like you faggots
>>724611906Not exactly. From what I can recall, those constants even being slightly off means that life is literally impossible. The argument is not "How did life evolve in this way", but instead "How is life even possible". The puddle analogy also falls flat since fine-tuning is more like an intricate ice sculpture falling into a perfectly shaped hole.
>>724611731>we'd at least see signs of a suitably advanced civilization through stuff like radio signals.that goes back to the time scale problem. let's say it takes a species ~1000 years to go from radio signals to higher level tech where they in theory wouldn't need radio signals. or let's say it takes 10,000 years of tech development to reach that point even. that would mean that the other species, out of the billions of years, needed to have been sending signals for that amount of time, meaning there's a band of X years where those signals would be coming in. it would need to reach our planet right while we're still in the stage where we can detect such signals. so the timing of us and another similar species evolving right in that order just isn't going to work out i feel. what if that 10k years of radio signals showed up during the millions of years of dinosaur era? no humans to pick them up then. I think the only way we'd see radio signals is if we just happened to evolve at the exact same time as another species, relative to the distance between our planets for signal sending. the other species would either need to have a stagnant radio tier tech for millions of years for us to have any hope of getting stray signals from them, or radio is the "end game" for communication tech. but either way that civilization needs to exist and not collapse for that many years in a primitive state which seems unrealistic
>>724597972Black holes eject shit all the time, just get it to eject all its mass until it collapses and not get hit and vaporized in the process and you win
>>724611949also "by now" in comparison to what? On the grand scale humanity is younger than a newborn
>>724611949>>724612091>>724612129Fair, time scale is probably the biggest issue. I'd also add in that such radio waves could also be made incoherent by all of the other stuff in the universe.
>>724604979There' a quadribazipoopilion higher chance that a random vessel pops in your brain and then it's all over in a microsecond just as well.This is like worrying about a submarine running you over on a crosswalk instead of a car.
>>724611994>escape into a finite destroyable worldNot very intelligent
>>724611994forgot one>transcend tier, transcend space and time and become gods
>>724612043We like reddit
>>724612175I mean we were able to communicate with our own ships so there's no interference.Aliens might not have a radio station to listen but it's still a wave that they should detectAnd if they're too retarded for radio waves then they're worse than us in space exploration so who cares.
>>724611994We are on the trajectory towards slop tier escapism and Cyberpunk dystopia without any of the cool shit but with all the giant corpos mandating you eat bugs and keep you under 24/7 AI surveillance for wrong think
>>724611994>Romans building cool ornate architecture>EgyptiansTRIANGLE
>>724605993>the vedic saar system
>>724612048>From what I can recall, those constants even being slightly off means that life is literally impossibleAgain, you're thinking about this backwards. We have no way to measure how many "attempts" it took to get a universe that allows life to emerge, but the only kind of a universe that even allows us to ponder how unlikely it was HAS to be the one that achieved those impossible odds. >The puddle analogy also falls flat since fine-tuning is more like an intricate ice sculpture falling into a perfectly shaped hole.Not exactly, your example would be like waiting underneath a surface with the intricate hole in it until the perfect ice sculpture falls through and then being amazed how it happened to fit the hole so exactly, but you have no way of checking how many randomly shaped ice blocks that didn't make it through are left above the surface, you can only see the one that beat the impossible odds.
>>724600424>the dog/wolfThe fuck cleaned that dog/wolf up so neatly?
>>724612398You're the one assuming that there were "attempts" at all. I already mentioned that multiverse theories are possible answers to fine-tuning (I guess you could also include recursive models), but we don't have any evidence for either of those.
>>724612340And (You) can stop it with a little genocide!Can't leech in a dystopia without mindless consumers and cheap labor.
>>724612175Not only time scale, just scale in general. Our own galaxy alone is 100K light years in diameter. Any kind of information that has been "leaking" or purposefully sent into space can, supposedly, travel at light speed at maximum, so just by getting messages from the other side of our own galaxy, let alone the local galaxy cluster, would take aeons.
>>724611683Or maybe they don't exist yet and WE'RE the ones who'll die off firstIf so, I hope alien archeologists land on this planet someday and get to binge read/watch/enjoy our entire culture in some cold storage archive
>>724612598>Welcome to Humanity Museum>This exhibit is called 'Anon jerks it to midget porn'
>>724597972https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-865kufgagTime it out.
>>724606286what happens if you pierce all the paper with a pencil?
>>724612498>You're the one assuming that there were "attempts" at all.It's a much bigger assumption that our universe is literally the first universe there has ever been.
>>724612598>Aliens find a mysterious hard drive that somehow survived>There's a single file>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
>>724598142Hawking radiation, dude
>>724612365we are as far from the romans as the romans were from the egyptians
>>724612598
>>724612327>And if they're too retarded for radio waves then they're worse than us in space exploration so who cares.Hot alien babes to conquer. The centuries have made you lose your passion for conquest
>>724612770How? As far as we know, it's the only one that exists at all.
>>724612864Yeah anon but if the babes don't ping back how are we going to find them?
>>724612814>CleopatraCheckmate Atheist!
>>724612920>HOT ALIEN BABES IN YOUR STELLAR AREA!>ALIEN MILFS ONLY 5.2 LIGHTYEARS AWAY!>CLICK HERE TO SEND A SIGNAL!
>>724612996>Come hither my glorb
>>724612996>get catfished by a green monstrosity with more tentacles than penises
>Finally contact alien life>See them>They're literally just slightly weird humansHow would you react?
>>724613050
>>724612876Unless you go into religious arguments all we know is that there exists some kind of a mechanism that produced our universe (evidence: us) so what's your reasoning for this mechanism to only happen one time? It's basically the same argument about life on other planets. We know that life is possible in the universe because we exist, so even though we only know about ourselves yet there's no reason to claim life hasn't happened elsewhere. Just like planets that harbor life aren't "fine-tuned" for it and were simply the only planets that allowed life to emerge in the first place, you can make the argument that only some universes allow life to emerge while countless others don't.In any case this is all semantics and the point was always that the "fine-tuning" argument is backwards. No matter how unlikely, the only kind of a universe that even allows you to ponder how unlikely it is is the kind that had those right constants. In literally ANY other situation, we wouldn't be here.
>>724613043I don't see an issue.
>>724613050I mean, if evolution ultimately prefers bipedal beings with thumbs and big brains, I wouldn't find it too weird
>>724606941Maybe space seems to be expanding only because we only thinking about it in terms of 3d space
>>724613050Hope harder than I've ever hoped for anything in my life that the "slight weirdness" includes futas who like human men.
>>724613131In theory we are here because the last guys got fucked by an asteroid.
>>724613132Or maybe it keeps expanding because the universe is, in a way, the ultimate mother to us all and it's just one big yo mama joke.
>>724613050See if slightly weird human women are down to fuck
>>724613131I hope evolution ultimately prefers big boobs and wide hips too across all planets
>>724613109For something to be able to create and reproduce universes it has to be bigger than it to house it right? And if space is always expanding how does that make any sense?
>>724613240No clue. That goes into the realm of "what exists outside of the universe" and I doubt we'll ever figure it out. It's like one of those "what's north of the north pole" questions.
>>724613295>what's north of the north poleYou literally go south, Anon.
>>724613131>if evolution ultimately prefers bipedal beings with thumbs and big brains, I wouldn't find it too weirdhere it does. but on another planet it could be different. they could be like elephants or centipedes or frogpeople
>>724613331But that's what's south of the north pole, not what's north.
>>724613109But this question isn't about if life exists on other planets since we know that other planets exist to begin with. We have absolutely no proof that there are other universes beyond our universe existing. The fine-tuning argument isn't backwards just because of random assumptions.The Cosmological Argument is better, DESU>>724613181I recall some people thinking Stenonychosaurus could evolve into a humanoid form, but that might just be because humans are our standard for intelligent life.
>>724613295I think it just outright disproves that multiple creatable universes theory that anon was saying
>>724613346Or octopiI'm pretty sure those things are actually fucking aliens
>>724613050Horny humanoid progenitors jorking it on every planet they flied by.
>>724613331That's anon's point. "What's north of the north pole" is just an inherently retarded question since there is no logical question. It's like "What created God?"
>>724613346>>724613430I'd say that humans are a pretty good standard for intelligent life since a lot of our anatomy is devoted to either complex thought or tool manipulation.
>>724604882Generation ship. We don't need a lot of new tech for it, but there's no guarantee people won't just want to come back after fucking around in space for so long.
>>724606082Tidal forces would rip you apart.Leaving REALITY of the table, if you could get closer to the event horizon, there would be quintillions upon quintillions of atoms spinning at speeds that would destroy anything with any semblance of structure.>Just approach it from the topThere is no such thing when it comes to black holes.
>>724613597Anyone on a generation ship is never returning
>>724613649If there's enough fuel (or refueling checkpoints) to get to Alpha Centauri, there's enough fuel for there to be a mutiny halfway and get back to Earth.
>>724613050By "slightly weird", I hope you mean "females have MASSIVE tits and are 2 meters tall"
>>724613372>We have absolutely no proof that there are other universes beyond our universe existing.We have proof that a mechanism that causes a universe to exist exists. You are the one making the assumption that it's only allowed to have happened once.>The fine-tuning argument isn't backwards just because of random assumptions.Again, no, you're not getting what my point is. The fine-tuning argument is that there must be a God or something else that purposefully created the universe because it's so perfectly tuned to suit life (which it really isn't, life happened in SPITE of our circumstances in a very precarious pocket, not THANKS to our circumstances) and that it would be impossible to have happened by random chance. However, this entire argument HAS to necessitate a universe like this existing that somehow managed to achieve those odds. It's completely irrelevant if it happened on the first try or on the morbillionth try, or whether there were attempts at all, if the concept bothers you. The only thing that matters is that we wouldn't be having this discussion if those constants didn't support life. The universe wasn't fine-tuned for us, WE were fine-tuned for the universe.>>724613417Not really, asking about the circumstances outside of our universe is just something so utterly unknowable that it's a meaningless argument. All we know is that a universe is able to exist, so by extension there's nothing explicitly preventing other universes from existing. The only reason you'd make a definite claim about that is a religious one where this universe HAS to be special.
>>724613730If we ever get to a point where there's some kind of galactic highway like that, then we've advanced far enough to not need generation ships anymore
>>724613708What if one of (You) sickos makes contact with alien life and teach them all the way you can make a human cum, and then they come here and start groping people as a greeting?You're staying grounded Anon.
>ayys finally visit>they are horse people>human women down bad for horse man love>orgies happening before the day is even over>human men try to swoon the horse women>they just laugh at our tiny size
>>724613742By "slightly weird", I hope you mean "females have flat chest and are 1.2 meters tall"
>tfw telling alien qt a blowjob is how humans say goodbye
>>724613798If we're talking 1:1 horse sex then the centaurs will be quickshots and we can do long gooning sessions to the centauresses
>>724613798>they just laugh at our tiny sizeSomeone hasn't seen those greentexts.
>Thread turns to random coompostingNever change, /v/
Since we're at the bump limit nobody will notice that I want to have my prostate probed by a qt ayylmao-chan.
>>724613812That's illegal.
>>724613917Something about the vastness of space makes you appreciate the joys of life, Anon.You look dashing today by the way.
>>724613961But anon, she's a 500year old alien grandma
Daily reminder that black dwarfs outlast black holes tenfold
>>724613917Blackholes and the empty void of space are scary.Better to think about titty.
>>724613917Took us long enough.
>>724600001Don't worry about exploring the galaxy. If we're lucky enough to survive the next two millennia, we'll be back to banging rocks together.
>>724614032Only reason i keep coming back to Stellaris from time to time is to pause the game and look at all the celestial bodies while listening to the ambient ingame sounds. Shit fills me with this weird childlike dread and wonder
>>724613779You're assuming that it's a mechanism and not just a one-off event or literally anything else. Again, we don't have any proof beyond our own existence. The universe can't just be compared to other things when it comes to uniqueness.>Because it's perfectly suited to lifeThis is NOT the fine-tuning argument, anon. It's arguing that the universe being life PERMITTING is a "miracle" in itself. It's not saying that the universe is literally perfect for life at all, especially given how alone we feel. The argument is that it's impossible for life to develop AT ALL if there were different universal constants.Anyways, thread is coming to a close. Take care, anon.
>the universe is expandingEXPANDING INTO WHAT
>>724614168The void
>>724614168Dobson...
>>724614129What DLC are worth getting / required nowadays?
>>724600927Mustard gas
>>724614202https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo9jpoHMO7AMachine age was pretty neat. Though i haven't played the game in like 10 months. Heard they came out with another DLC or two that weren't as polished and the game shat itself. Not sure if the swedes have gotten around fixing it yet
>>724613785You're right. I was just assuming that if the ship isn't or couldn't have all the fuel it needs, it would need to stop by designated checkpoints to mine the fuel needed for the next trip. But you can't stop on an extrasolar planet on the first trip to another star system, yeah. Maybe some external asteroid field or a comet calculated to come through the mapped out trajectory.
>>724614129>try a stellaris playthrough once every few years>get a decent bit in>resource deathspiral with the 20 different resources you need now>uninstall game again>repeat in a few yearsI wish I could play the original version of the game when I first got it near release, was a lot better. The gameplay is just too annoying for me now to enjoy myself
>>724603597Humans.
How many people are we supposed to send in these generation ships again?How are we going to make sure the engineer's kid turns out to be another engineer?Would we need engineer spares? Or just roll the dice and see who got the engineer skill in space kindergarten?
>>724601593I never understood how light doesn't escape and yet at the same time doesn't it shoot out Hawkins radiation? Aren't x-rays light? Why does that escape? "It's being shot out that strongly," means that light CAN escape... But under what conditions then that allow it to?
>>724612471>>724614451
>>724600638>Every single game in space is better and more fun than your game in space>Space just suckskek
>>724614525You're in space right now
It's so over
>>724614138>You're assuming that it's a mechanism and not just a one-off event or literally anything else. Don't get too hung-up on the word choice, I just chose "mechanism" as the catch-all term for the required circumstances for a universe to come into existence. I'm just saying that we have proof of the emergence of a new universe being allowed and it being a bigger required assumption that it's only ever allowed to happen once.>This is NOT the fine-tuning argument, anon. It's arguing that the universe being life PERMITTING is a "miracle" in itselfI guess there are different degrees all lumped together under the fine-tuning name then, because I definitely remember seeing people argue the version I mentioned as well. In any case,>The argument is that it's impossible for life to develop AT ALL if there were different universal constants.well, yeah, but again, we are pre-destined to only EVER look at this question in a situation where those constant were the way that allowed us to exist in a first place. Sure, the odds are infinitesimally small, but the game was rigged from the start. The odds being small doesn't matter at all if we're only allowed to look at the odds after we win. >Anyways, thread is coming to a close. Take care, anon.(You) too, I really don't think we disagreed that much, it was mostly autism about semantics. Glad that it's still possible to have nice discussions on this board.
>>724599014>3/4 are hypothetical with zero evidenceI am begging you to stop watching pop science videos.
>>724614168It's not expanding. It's just moving through space. Think of our universe as a galaxy. There are other galaxies out there but there is also a lot of space between them.
>>724614680>moving through spaceFrom where to where?
>>724614645>I'm just saying that we have proof of the emergence of a new universe being allowed and it being a bigger required assumption that it's only ever allowed to happen once.Worded this badly, didn't mean that we have proof of it being a bigger assumption, I meant to say>we have proof of the emergence of a new universe being allowed and I think it's a bigger required assumption that it's only ever allowed to happen once
>>724614168dong
What if space is the literal fabric of time and that's why all the time shenanigans happen when we go too fast through space?
>>724614168There's more empty shit between actual shit the more time goes on.
>>724614168A CHILD ?
>>724614746I think it's just some shitty shortcut to save on computation in areas that have very sparse amounts of matter
This was a nice thread for once in the sea of ragebait garbage that is /v/. Thank you.
I liked those Black Hole gijinkas from a few years back.
>>724614781Are we overloading the servers by throwing shit into empty space?
>>724601156Can you give me a seven foot tall futa gf pls?
>>724614556Your point being?>>724614696From where it was to where it will be. How am I supposed to know that?>>724614746Time does not exist. Space is just the ground where everything happens.>>724614781>>724614818https://phys.org/news/2025-10-mathematical-proof-debunks-idea-universe.htmlThe simulation hypothesis has been nullified.
>>724614804Also enjoyed this thread, part of what makes them so great is how rare they are
Space doesn't even exist. Have you ever actually seen it? It's just a cloth people put over their eyes.
>>724614916>simulation hypothesisCommon sense told me that years ago, I didn't need some nerd to prove it.
>>724614973You ARE inside space, RIGHT NOW.Slut
There is a skeleton inside you right this moment.Furthermore, space is also inside you.
>>724615146The skeleton is holding your brain hostage, and space is going through your entire body mouth-to-ass.
>>724615035>>724615146>>724615258Gay
>>724615275gay, bdsm, huge insertion and all the way through24/7365until you die, Anon
>>724615389>until you die, Anonthat is not so long, on a universal scale. thanks God
>>724614916I neither agree with this paper nor it's conclusions. In fact, the idea that the universe cannot be simulated is actively harmful to understanding it, because it means that we can't algorithmically express physical laws and I HATE that idea.
>>724615389The mitochondria remembers, it WILL wake up
>>724615625Eve it's october.
>>724615543It's 100% on a personal scale.
>>724615596Shit was over way before that, anon. When quantum faggonics came into play, it was all over.The universe is a woman and it doesn't make sense.I hate it even more than you do, not because it is a woman, but because it isn't deterministic.
>>724615737>but because it isn't deterministic.Wait, Calvinism isn't true?
>>724616167>Protestants>Being right
>>724616167
>>724615596The paper argues that there is something more to reality than what our current description of an algorithm can describe. Using Penrose's idea of consciousness, it argues that our brain is doing something fundamentally different than an algorithm, because we can see through Gödel's stuff that computers fail to see. We can know something false can't be true, while an algorithm will just output and be done with it.
>>724616167>you can't predict the future and god is a fucking retard>you can predict the future and god is a fucking asshole
