Choose your allegiance
>>724607623Top one is the worst. Midle and bottom are both good.
>>724607623I don't care I'm an idort and I'm not bound to a single controller. Dpad on top for all 2d games/games where you have to claw grip like soulslop and dmc, dpad on the bottom for everything else.
Top for 3DMiddle for 2DBottom can die
this is all you need
>>724607710>i made sure the first post is the worst post so that i get a million replieskek
>>724607623the third one is for psychopaths
Wii U Pro controller was the best, so bottom.
I don't care but for fuck's sake, can we unify the face button arrangement already? Playstation doesn't change their shit but between Nintendo and Xbox I can't muscle memory one if I've used the other for too long.
>>724607865one day we will become enlightened
>>724607865It's all a diamond though? Don't tell me you see "X" and can't instantly visualize the placement based on the controller you're holding?
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>>724608205Fucking hate that and they KNEW THEY FUCKING KNEW
>>724607623Top is whatever, middle is my preference, bottom is for actual retards.
>>724608205Legitimately don't understand why Nintendo doesn't put confirm [A] on the bottom, ie, closest to your thumb's resting position on the right stick. They got it right with the N64 controller and I suppose the GameCube controller and then fucked it up forever afterwards. What the fuck is their problem?
Do you guys have any ideas for what else to label controller buttons besides numbers/letters? I'm tired of letters of the alphabet or whatever the fuck playstation is doingI like the idea of pictures of the sun and moon for the left/right face buttons, the top button is a star and the bottom one perhaps the "planet" button with a picture of earth
>>724607623
Stealth RP6 melty thread
>>724607865>Playstation doesn't change their shitAre you dumb? Sony is the ONLY one who changed. PS1 games had Triangle or Circle as accept and X as back. In Japan all Sony consoles use Circle as accept and X as back.Nintendo and Microsoft have always used A as accept and B as back. Always. Never changing. Nintendo moved their face buttons around a little during the N64 and GC days, but that's it.
>>724608205Honestly the only problem I have with this is that the confirm button is different, which makes it really fucking annoying if you're emulating games and the frontend has a different confirm button.
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>>724608674>Sony is the ONLY one who changed.This is because they fucked up when placing their buttons. Circle should have been on the bottom, then nobody would have complained and everybody would have stuck with Circle as confirm. The reason there were all these problems in the first place was because people had muscle memory for Confirm being the bottom button. Seemingly, only Microsoft and Sega understood this very simple design philosophy.
>>724607623Middle is fucking retarded for anything other than platformers. The other two are fine.
>>724608724This looks like the kind of boomer cruising craigslist willing to pay $100 to suck your dick
>>724608674The function changed but not the layout. Still, that is annoying in a similar way. My complaint is that Nintendo's A/B/X/Y layout and Xbox's are annoying to cross-navigate. Sony's buttons have always stayed in the same place, even if the functions change based on region (well, pre-PS5 anyways).
>>724608724Isn't this the dad who played Dark Souls 1 as his very first video game and ended up beating it after an incredibly long time?
>>724607623Given that most modern games use the left thumbstick and face buttons as their primery input method then top is the best configuration as that is the place where the thunbs rest naturally, reducing strain.Middle is good for 2D and indie games that still rely on the face buttons but control better with a D-pad than a thumbstick, otherwise it is just snoy retardation that forces the left thumb into an unnatural, strenous position for prolonged periods of time.Bottom has the same issue as middle but for the right thumb instead, and really none of the advantages other than visual symmetry.
Can someone explain to me why we don't design out buttons like this? (Place thumb in the center and easily slide it to any of the others/press both at the same time without removing the thumb-tip from the middle)
>>724609340>otherwise it is just snoy retardation that forces the left thumb into an unnatural, strenous position for prolonged periods of time.I've never felt strain on my right thumb using symmetrical controllers. There's another advantage of symmetrical controllers (not the bottom one though) that you aren't mentioning, and that symmetrical controllers can be double claw gripped, whereas asymmetrical controllers cannot, or you have to use your index finger on the left stick.>b-b-but what games would you even have to use this grip forIf you have to ask, you'll never know.
>>724609421Nintendo tried something like this with the Gamecube, the A button is at the center and the other buttons sorta orbit it at an equal distance, but they abandoned the idea come the Wii.
>>724609497I'm not a crab tho.
>>724608205It’s probably worse if you still own a Dreamcast
>>724609608You're still cancer
>>724608806
>>724608581This but with six buttons.
>>724608416Nintendo did ABXY first so it really is everyone else fucking it up.
>>724608806>Doug FasterBut what if I want to Doug Slower?
>>724607623Asymmetric layout is the best. I had ds4 and xbox1 pads. Ds4 sucks.
>>724607623Is the bottom one even a thing?
>>724609681If this is true, why did so many people have muscle memory for Confirm [A] as the bottom button? This was the entire reason behind X becoming Confirm in the west on Sony controllers. It wasn't because westerners were too retarded to know that Circle means confirm (though that may be true), but it was because everybody was used to confirm being the bottom button. Pray tell, how was this the case?
>>724608416It's because Japan reads right to left but fuck man is pisses me off so much. You should obviously design your buttons for where the thumb naturally rests regardless of how your language reads words. The bottom button should CLEARLY be A and the left button should clearly be B because that's the other button your thumb rests on without having to reposition it
>>724608205Both are shit. This is the way it should be.
>>724607623I used to despise the “both analogs on top” variant when I owned a Wii U with its pro controller but as a current Retroid Flip 2 owner, you get used to it pretty fast.
>>724609809Because they're zoomers who grew up with a Playstation, fun fact, the PS1 was initially developed as a disc add-on for the SNES and used the regular SNES controller, the base for the Dualshock's design to this day is still the SNES controller, and the only reason they reversed the confirm and cancel buttons was to avoid infringing Nintendo's patent when they two companies parted ways (Same reason for their shitty horrible d-pad), ergonomics had absolutely nothing to do with it.
>>724609846Fully agree, this would even continue Nintendo's old design standard where B was to the left of A on old NES controllers, and would feel natural to make Mario be able to run holding B and jump with A.
>>724608205Just buy yourself a pad with magnetic buttons you can swap.
>>724609912Fucking this.
>>724609421?
>>724607710Nah, middle is the worst one.>>724608205This is a low IQ filter.
>>724607623I really don't get having a strong preference for any of them. I've used them all and none of them feel retarded or incompetently designed. (Unlike how I feel about handhelds)
I’m just tired of the red/blue/green/yellow button variant, sure PlayStation uses red blue and green but atleast they had the pink square to switch things up a bit as well as using shapes instead.SEGA and Xbox were just lazy and copied the Super Famicom layout but swapped the colors/letters and called it a day, why not just numbers or have like a purple or orange button to stand out a bit?
>>724607623Top for FPS and actionMiddle for Fightan and ScrollanBottom for nipple twisting simulator
>>724608205>Be me >PS3 controls breaks>Buy a third party controller (Easy SMX)>It has A B X Y as control buttons>Controller mapping is off when I play>What is square on a PS controller is X on this controller but B is the button assigned to X/Square which would be circle on a PlayStation controller >This applies to 3 of the 4 action buttons>Prompt comes on screen of how to do something >Can’t calculate the conversion quick enough and just do nothing and stare at the screen like a retardI figured it out eventually but still glazed over every now and then when playing.
>>724608205XABY 4 lyfe
>>724608674No. Triangle was back and X was accept.
>>724610679This is a completely different problem than what most people are talking about with Sony controllers and it just means you're a retard.
>>724609608
>>724610765>No.be very specific about what you're talking about when you want it to be demonstrated that you're wrong
>>724609340/thread
>>724610775Roses are red Violets are blue
>>724607623fuck off tranny mouse and keyboard all the way
>>724610873No.
>>724607623I don't want any controller with that shape.
>>724607623First is the worst.Second is the best.Third is the one with the hairy chest.
>>724607865NorthEastSouthWestApplies to all button layouts.
>>724608806for me, its the doug button
>>724611308Winner winner, chicken dinner.Alternatively, just make them arrows, you literally cannot fuck it up.That said, instead of arguing about this, we need to make six face buttons the industry norm and THEN figure out what to call those. I think Sega had it figured out with the XYZABCface button layout.
>>724607623Bottom is most comfortable, but you can't claw grip, which sucks for some games.
>>724611494What a bunch of retarded takes.
>>724611494One of the Xbox controllers had a black and white button just below the action buttons.
>>724611530Yeah bro 4 face buttons is surely all we will ever need for the rest of time.
>>724607865Whatever Nintendo does is the default.
>>724607623I really dont care about where the sticks are. I guess I like them both up or both down, Instead of diagonalI care more about the ABXY buttons being mixed up across controllers, that shit annoys me
>>724611563Here’s your controller bro
>>724611606Nintendo has had 3 completely different layouts depending on which controller you look at though. 4 if you count the Wiimote separately from the Wii Pro controller, and I do.
>>724609421you just want a second D-pad
>>724611563I heard nonofficial pads got more buttons, without your "Let's make six buttons and call them whatever my retarded ass come out with" take
>>724611917Back paddles should be standard on every modern controller, at the very least.
>>724611917Back buttons/paddles are a welcome addition lately but we absolutely do need more face buttons and you are a fucking faggot if you disagree.
>>724609747My xboner pad registers twice key presses so I'm replacing it with an 8bitdo.
>>724612109Gigabased, only retards are still buying first party controllers. Enjoy your chinkpad.
>>724607623Haptic trackpads. I’m not a baby.
need a controller to play silksong, lost my old 10 buck piece of shit when I moved to another area.rec?
>>724612314Use anything in the $30-120 range, just don't buy first party, whatever you do.
>>724608806>press MAX SCORE>automatically win
>>724609846No you retard, you see an X and you think it means 'go ahead'? No, X as cancel simply makes sense, O being the one that confirms since it circles it.
>>724609668Somehow, I'm not surprised that someone has gone out of their way to document what the Doug button actually does.
DS4fuck you
>>724611561This reads like you're trying to educate a fellow zoomer about ancient hardware and for some reason it pissed me off.
>>724612465No retard, I don't think about the button symbols at all, I reflexively hit the bottom button when the game wants me to CONFIRM because that's where CONFIRM should be.
>>724609674Granted.
>>724612582Haha. I’ve never owned an Xbox and I’ve only played on them a handful of times.
>>724607623top>bottom>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>middle
>>724612664Because you've never touched a controller before an xbox360 and simply assume that down is confirm.
>>724612768No faggot, it's because I've been playing video games longer than you have been alive. Fucking nigger. Kill yourself.
>>724612768ps1 had confirm on X too.
>>724608205as a switch 2/series x fag it's very frustrating
>>724612818Not the ps1 I have
>>7246076232 if you say otherwise you are retarded
>>724612863Then you have wrong ps1, different from 100% of the people who owned it here.
>>724612669That could actually be useful for buttons you don't use often, doesn't take any finger movement if you use your palm. More practical for remapping than the Dualsense Edge's fn buttons at least.
>>724612916NTA but a bunch of games for PS1 had completely different buttons for confirm. Many did have X but others had Circle and a few others even went full retard and used Triangle for confirm.
>>724607909>alphabetically standard rows>alphabetically reversed columnswhat were you thinkingat least put Q R S inbetween if you were going for a numpad-like setup
>>724608435>>724608205>>724607865Nintendo doesn't really even use the letters anymore in game, they mostly do this now.
>>724613017Well they have to, considering you turn the joycons sideways
>>724612412>press SOUND>get sounded
>>724607623Middle is best
>>724613052Even without that, it's a better notation than letters/symbols imo
>>724613323I'm also a fan, but the people use to a big letter or symbol will have a problem getting use to it.
>>724613323Still doesn't fix the fact that confirm is in the wrong place lol.
the Wii U pro controller with the sticks up top is the best.
>>724613531>physically impossible to claw grip either side of the controllerSure, if you're playing baby games.
>>724607710Fpbp.
wouldn't mind trying middle
>>724613579>physically impossible to claw gripWhat on wiiu are you claw gripping?
>>724613638>wouldn't mind trying middleKill yourself
>>724613673Exactly, my point stands.
>>724612818no it didn't. there were no standards for default button assignment until the xbox/360 or ps3 (which made it region dependent). before it was up to individual devs and there was a regional bias. so believing that ps1 had any standard means you only played western games.
>>724613712You can claw grip it but MH3U really doesn't need you to
>>724607710FPBP/thread
>>724607623Bottom.
>>7246076232, end of discussion.
>>724607909>six buttonsMOAR!
>>724607623depends on the game but middle is generally the best because you can claw grip it
>>724607865>>724608205
>>724607623Does it matter? I really don't get what the big deal is, it feels all the same when you're holding it and looking at the game. The 1 (one) instance where this isn't the case and is actually a problem is DMC because taunting is hard when the left analog stick isn't at the bottom.
>>724607623Sticks on the bottom is ergonomically superior as long as you have a properly evolved human hand that naturally forms a "C" with the forefinger and thumb. When the stick is towards the bottom of the controller it puts less stress on your thumb's natural range of motion.Sticks on top puts more stress on your thumb joint by forcing it to remain in a more unnatural position closer to your index finger while manipulating the stick.The pad and buttons don't cause as much stress in the top position because using them requires much less range of movement of the thumb.Also, any argument that relies on "left stick and face buttons in the main position!" is retarded as games solely using the left stick and face buttons are few and far between. Classic style 2d games are better with the D-pad and buttons, and most modern games have you constantly swapping between the buttons and sticks, making the argument moot.Also, asymetricfags always conveniently ignore that the right stick is always in the supposed "inferior" position in their "superior" layout and never address it.Therefore the only logical conclusion to draw from all this is the best general layout for normal human hands is buttons towards the top, sticks towards the bottom.
>>724611982Needing more buttons than presented by the industry standard is a game design failure.
>>724617578More bindable inputs is never a bad thing, retard-kun. This is why consoles will never get serious games or games like Kenshi.
>>724617427Be better man, sony pus.
>>724618026You sound black
*blocks your path*
>>724618501At this point, just use one of these.
>>724610412integrating the facebuttons to the touchpads would work. maybe the square design from that one prototype or maybe a modular touchpad made of 4 buttons instead of one big button. also improve the back buttons.
>>724607623>Useless, gimmicky right analog stick, you are better off with a touchpad and gyro >Useless D-Pad, because you're not playing 2D games on a controller like this, just get a cheap controller with a D-Pad you like for 2D games or play on an ergonomic keyboard>4 button grouping that isn't even ergonomic anymore once you add handles to the SNES controller that it is derived from>All you're left with that makes any sense is the left analog stick and you don't need that to be part of the main controller, the Wiimote already solved this with the Nunchuk attachment, showing that it doesn't even need to be part of the main controllerThey're all shit. Late 5th gen Dualshock and all non-Nintendo and non-Sega controllers after 5th gen were a mistake.The only handheld controllers that kept developing after 2011 were VR controllers and even they've been in stasis since 2014.
>>724607865What's the issue? Unless it's a shitty port, actions are most likely going to be where you expect them to. The only difference is accept/cancel, but I have muscle memory from holding the controller itself to know which is which.
>>724607623Playstation and Wii U controllers are comfy.
>>724607623Putting A in the bottom was a mistake and we never recovered from it.
>>724607710fpbp
>>724607623middle
>>724608416The A button already has too much to do. The Bottom button is the reflex button for jumps. The Left button is the attack button. The Right button is for context sensitive interaction. The Upper button is for special abilities.Imagine jumping around and accidentally talking to the same NPC again.
>>724624996>tendies admitting nintendo fucked up challenge: impossible
>>724625042>Sony forced Japanese gamers into retarded W*stern standardsWhat do you retards think O was supposed to mean?
I can't even remember the last time I used a controller. They're a compromised solution designed for mass adoption and portability and games designed around their limitations are worse for it. The only genres controllers shine are arcade racers and twin stick shooters. Every other genre is better with Keyboard / Keyboard & Mouse / Racing wheel.The right analog stick should have been replaced by a trackpad decades ago. Trackpads are objectively more versatile and accurate than analog.
>>724625138Never said Sony didn't fuck up either. Circle should have been on the bottom.>>724609912 is the only correct layout in the thread and it doesn't even exist.
>>724625218Because that is retarded.
>>724625420It's better and easier. Imagine for a moment playing Super Mario World with that layout. You run with B and can more easily and more naturally hit A to jump while running. It's also easier to hit spinjumps while running with that layout. You're just a retard tendie bootlicker.
>>724625513You are just describing the standard Super Mario World controls except with your gay W*stiod obsession with making A also the jump button when it is already the menu confirm button.
>>724626048A was the jump button in Super Mario Bros. Why change what wasn't broken? How often are you jumping and talking to NPCs in SMW?
Move aside
>>724609545I liked the three bean prototype controller
>>724626096>A was the jump button in Super Mario Bros.When the buttons were placed on a straight horizontal line.The Game Cube controller made the A button bigger and the first party games were designed around that layout.
>>724626357The GameCube controller was an accidental success, clearly.
>>724626128>use XInputlel>>724626096>How often are you jumping and talking to NPCs in SMW?Controllers are made for multiple games.This game is a clear example of the problem with an omni-interact button.
>>724607623now what symbol or name for the "start" button, nowadays it makes no sense to be called start, options is okay, menu maybe?also what for the "select", because Share buttons are retarded- and + are okay, but i feel like since those buttons are almost always reserved for menus/maps they should have a contextual namesame with xyab, almost always theres one for accept and one for deny, so they should reflect that i believe
