It's actually pretty damn good. I love the combat and also the Fabien segments
read this if you want a proper sequel to VMTB1.
>>724614212is it actually good?
>>724614265No
>>724613098Yeah I like it too.
>>724613098Any thing with ghosts committing Dictum Mortuum violations?
>>724613098Fuck off TCR shill. Your game sucks ass.No stats, no dialogue choices, no inventory, no equipment, no clan specific dialogue or powers, no side quests, no random conversations, no hacking or usable PCs, no character customization and worst of all no soul.
>>724614625then why the hell did you tell me to read it you fuck
>>724613098it's donkey shit
>>724613098>It's actually pretty damn good
>>724613098lol
I always forget there's a stray nos who gets killed in the sewers
>>724613098>~12 hour game>~6 hours as Phyre>~6 hours as Fabien>DLC with ~3 hours as Benny>DLC with ~3 hours as Ysabella>Playing as your protagonist unironically has less content than playing as other charactersWhat did they mean by this?
>>724615005It’s a proper sequel still. Not a tranny parody like VTMB2.
>>724615347well it can't be that bad so i'll give it a read.
Snorted out loud when I saw this
>>724613098I've mostly enjoyed my time playing but I don't think I could really call it good. Too many problems that are hard to ignore - in particular the save system is so archaic I know TCR have already said they're working on it but I don't know what they were thinking not allowing manual saves in the first place. That said the atmosphere's hitting just right - really liked the Atrium level.Obviously shouldn't have been called Bloodlines 2 and would've been better off as a separate VtM title.
>>724613098It's shit.
>>724615284If you're fast enough you can kill the two monsters and save him
>>724615561 Good Night Sweet Prince
>>724614212>not a raptorFuck you.
This constant VtM thread spam only reminded me how much I miss my PnP group.
>>724613098Bloodlines 2 is good. But it could be great if they keep working at it.>Fix the tutorials that don't teach you basic mechanics like kicking and dodging.>Fix the sidequests that feel like chores.>Fix the sequences where you can't sneak past enemies because reasons.>Make it so Deb of Night plays on radios across the hub.>Make it so the hub theme music loops instead of playing once and then stopping.>Give the player an option between playing Fabien's sequences or seeing a 30-40 second dream sequence that recaps it.>Add fast travel option.>Restore/add ambient NPC chatter. There were clearly plans for it in the files, but none of the NPCs at the glacier or in the police station say anything.>Expand player choices a bit. Give us a third option with Agent Baker. Let us really tell Lou to fuck off.>Let us wear Damsel's hat.>Add proper mod support. People will make mods for this game. They're already trying to make mods without having the tools. The desire is there.
>>724614915>no dialogue choicesWhat?>no clan specific dialogue or powersIt has those.>no side questsIt has those. They're immensely undercooked, but it has those.>no random conversationsAgain, it has those.>no character customization But it does. And they're adding more features on an ongoing basis.
>>724615608>he save system is so archaic I know TCR have already said they're working on it but I don't know what they were thinking not allowing manual saves in the first place.It seems to be a VTM-wide thing because literally every VTM game I play has a save system like this. And it's always a complete bitch when you hit a bug.
>>724613098It has the best kicking attack since Dying Light and Dark Messiah too.
>>724619580The kicking is awesome. The air juggling is awesome. But what the hell were they thinking making kick a dodge+direction combo? One they don't explain to players outside of the codex?
How long until patches improve it? I want to play this shit for some reason
>>724613098Now that this garbage game flopped, let's predict how will Paradox rape the IP next
>>724619327So it actually doesn't have stats, inventory, equipment or hacking or usable PCs?
>>724620732It can’t get any worse. VTM is a cursed franchise
>>724619327>no dialogue choices There is no choice when the options are "Yes", "Angry Yes" and "Empathetic Yes">no clan specific dialogue or powers Thete is a single line that affects nothing in the start of the game. All powers are available to every clan so there are no clan specific ones.>no random conversationsNope. None of the NPCs have anything to say.>no character customization Kek, GTA San Andreas has more character customization than this trash.
>>724620561It has received two patches on PC so far. They just patched a bunch more game breaking bugs yesterday. I would recommend waiting a month.
>>724621039>There is no choice when the options are "Yes", "Angry Yes" and "Empathetic Yes"What are you talking about?>>724621039>All powers are available to every clan so there are no clan specific ones.Clan passives are not learnable. Also, learning any ability from any clan is how VTM has literally always worked.>Nope. None of the NPCs have anything to say.Sure, but they didn't have anything to say in the original, either, just casual remarks in both cases.
>>724621039>GTA San Andreas has more character customization than this trash.Tbf, San Andreas has a ton of customizationI don't think I've seen any other game that lets you go from skinny to buff or fat ever since I played it.RDR2 let's you slightly shift Arthur's appearance depending on his weight, but it's very mild
It's not Bloodlines 2, but I liked it well enough. Wish we could have eaten Safia pussy in-game via some kind of hour long QTE with VR support, but maybe later.
>>724621326>Safia>this is the most attractive character in th gameZoomers are doomed
>>724621206Fair enough. Time to finish Swansong then
>>724621326>SafiaTremere women are autistic nerds who don't shave or regularly bathe.
>>724620782No, play Swansong if you want those things.
>no option to have the goth girl as your blood doll or ghoul>no option to make Safia your blood bonded bitch at the endgay game
I am very annoyed that The Chinese Room seemingly did not notice or understand that they had utterly failed to teach players how to play the game, leaving them frustrated and confused. Allegations that the studio leadership are "arrogant" make a lot of sense.The game has boss battles clearly built around parrying yet it never mentions how to parry during the game itself. You have to go searching in the codex.It never explains that you can use TK to move dead bodies.It never explains that you can kick by pressing dodge a direction.It never explains that you can pick up guns and throw physical objects as weapons.
>>724621701I finished the game days ago.You can parry?
>>724621317>a single choice in the end of a 20 hour slogIf you act like a vampire elder, meaning you don't give a shit about Safia, Fabien or the petty squabbling in Seattle the game completely breaks down and the story makes no sense. Phyre still reacts to "Safia's" death by getting sad and angry.
>>724621745Phyre is canonically Brujah, it's the only explanation that makes sense
>>724621701You can go to controls and look what each key does.
>>724613098how long are you contracted to keep this up?
>>724621726>You can parry?Yes. You dodge into the attack. It's a super important mechanic for things like the Ysabella boss battle, and you are expected to go into the codex to learn this. It doesn't mention it at any point in the game. I haven't seen this level of missing the point of a tutorial in a long time.
>>724621890The parry hardly works, it's gay fromslop shit
>>724621745>Phyre still reacts to "Safia's" death by getting sad and angry.I agree with you broadly. It doesn't break the game for me, but the game suffers from any sense that Phyre can be softened or hardened. There is no "good riddance" variation of the Fabien ending.I assume it's an issue of budget and scope where they took what they assumed most players would go with and ran with it, but it does annoy me and I really hope they record some new dialogue for other paths.
>>724621829No, parrying isn't a button. It's a contextual variation of dodge. Kicking isn't a button, either. It's also a combo. Dodge + direction. The codex mentions this but not the actual ingame tutorial.
>bloodlines 2 thread>anons actually enjoying the game instead of shitting all over itI genuinely can't tell if you're all being serious.
>>724621975there's a loading screen tip for the parry
>>724621567>Tremere women are autistic nerds who don't shave or regularly bathe.
>>724622361/v/ has moved on and is now hating on the next newest thing
>>724622406That is a decent point but it may not show up until hours into the game.
it just isn't intuitive, this isn't supposed to be a sweaty souls game, give the nomad arkham counters and be done with it
>>724622361kind of beating a dead horse at this point
>>724619203Fuck off shill, it sucks shit, The writing is ass, the characters are at best boring, and the overall narrative is a shit sandwich.>inb4 b-but muh gaybianRetarded poochie that won't shut the fuck up. Whatever redditcuck that thought his stupid ass up should be castrated, if he hasn't already done it to himself.
Why isn't anyone posting webms? Come on, if it's good, then surely you can show it off.
>>724614265It's not a good RPG, but it is fun It's essentially Dishonored but with WOD lore. I'm about halfway through currently
>>724614212gehenna got cancelled, though.
>>724613098how long to do you give it before they bundle the game?
>>724621317
>>724619203You're wrong. BL2 is exactly what TCR set out to make, and it's sadly not the RPG people wanted. Just working on it further without sizeable redesign would've done nothing.
>>724622467Amusingly enough Safia IS the kind of person Tremere would embrace. Clan somehow got this reputation of having hot goth chicks, when in reality they'd embrace mathematicians and chemists with the occasional new age spiritualist.
But why "Phyre"? It's so fucking ass.
>>724623638Because they’re a VamPHYRE duh
>>724623393Its not, you just say its like Dishonored because the game is so lacking in identity that you have to compare it to games people actually like to trick them into buying it you pathetic faggot.
>>724613098I doubt it
>>724623638>>724623652FABIEN THE MALKAVIAN
>>724623638The Elder sees the name on a poster and just adopts it, The Nomad of many names etc. If it said Jimmy R. Russell you'd go around with that name instead.
>>724623842Dogshit game, kill yourself.
>>724613098I think the combat is not terrible, probably the best thing about the game along with parkouring around rooftops. Combat is shallow but what's there works. You can do a lot of stuff with telekinesis beyond just throwing objects around, like pulling targets off of heights or yanking someone towards you in stealth for a sneak kill/feed, using corpses to block bullets/brujah charges, and there's at least the slightest bit variety in which objects are good for what purpose. The Brujah Taunt forces targets to drop their weapons which you can immediately telekinesis and use on them. There's some combo potential with dodge cancelling after a heavy attack to juggle a target with kicks. While the low amount of discipline powers sucks the fact that you can swap between any of the ones you have unlocked at any time does mean you get to fool around with them a lot in combat and there's still some funny shit you can get up to with them. It isn't enough to save this game but there's at least potential to build something good out of it.
>>724623842having a reason for it doesn't make it less ass. it's just ass with an explanation.
>>724623368Wrong, wrong, wrong.
>>724623576Some of they key devs only joined in the last two years, and there's aspects they're not 100% happy with and are taking feedback on.
>>724620732They're just gonna bury the IP again.
>>724623717It's like Dishonored because it copies several game mechanics directly from Dishonored.
>>724624153That's nonsense, though. Stealth works. Problem is intentional decision that you cannot advance further until you've, for entirely arbitrary reasons, killed everyone in the area. You'd think it would be a simple "players activates the door" check no matter how you got there.
>>724624223>Problem is intentional decision that you cannot advance further until you've, for entirely arbitrary reasons, killed everyone in the area. You'd think it would be a simple "players activates the door" check no matter how you got there.So, the door checks the distance to the closest enemy. The idea is that if there are no enemies near the door, you can proceed. But this doesn't really work the way players expect it to.
>>724624153I wonder if Paradox will commission Trigger to make an VtMB anime to salvage the game's reputation just as new fixes and DLC get released
>>724624320>The idea is that if there are no enemies near the door, you can proceed.But why? So they can hide the fact they despawn all enemies as they purge the area you're leaving? No one cares.
>>724624320Why are there checks in the first place? Why can't you just go through a door?
>>724620732Paradox has literally stated that they won't be developing Bloodlines 3, or really any VtM game, in a similar manner. By the manner, I mean acquire equity in company and directly fund the development. This is because Paradox has no competence regarding RPGs, not that the Bloodlines 2 we received was a RPG, which makes it impossible for them to oversee a project like that. They will attempt to license the IP next and that just requires looking at the previous games of that studio. Bloodlines 2 was originally pitched to Paradox by Mitsoda and Avellone, accompanied by HSL. Paradox thought the pitch was good and took on the project, funding the development. Turns out, HSL was incompetent and the slop we got from TCR is just Paradox attempting to recoup some of their investment.
>>724622467Would mating press immediately
>>724624575>hfw avellone was just hired on-board so his name can lend weight to the project as they used literally NONE of his writing
>>724613098no.no it's not
It's a 6/10
>>724623717No, I say it's like Dishonored because the wall running, blink into kicking off ledges, baiting NPCs and throwing explosives loops feels exactly like Dishonored to me. Whether someone buys or not is not my problem, but I will talk about games here, try finding a porn/gachatroon thread if you want to culture war spam
>>724624665That's rather generous. I played through it once and felt like the devs should have paid me for that, instead of me wasting bandwidth in pirating this shitty game.
I wonder what exactly went wrong with TCR's development, there are probably a plethora of reasons that contributed to its downfall. I'm also curious about the story, it's probably a lot different than TCR's.>VTMB2 is actually VTMB3 and we'll hear about the original VTMB2 ever again.
>>724624551To prevent players just running the gauntlet through every combat encounter.
>>724624768And yet BL1, which didn't even award combat experience, had no such problems.
happy halloween vamps
>>724624813Because BL1 didn't give you ability to run along the ground at super speed, glide long distances, and drop kick yourself across the map.
>>724624735You mean HSL's? From what I've seen, they lied about project progress and faked gameplay slices to hide their incompetence. Paradox finally got enough, caught on, fired them and TCR was willing to reuse the assets and deliver some shitty product to the end, so that Paradox could try to recoup some of the development costs.
>>724624861you can absolutely dart past everything with celerity. former is more engaging on player's part, sure.
The more I play this, the more I think it will be a "hidden gem" several years from now, when the cool-to-hate phase ends.If you are trying to hate this, its very easy. There's much to hate. But if you are trying to like it, there's a lot of cool stuff too. Typical eurojank, really.
>>724624861>Because BL1 didn't give you ability to run along the ground at super speedcelerity?if that's the case then they should've come up with something other than a locked door to limit progress and leaving players confused
>>724613098Reminder that these retarded Chinese Room devs spent TWO FUCKING YEARS working exclusively on the Fabien shit, and now they're scrambling to patch in an option to skip all of it. Let that sink in. Patching in an option to skip the content you spent TWO YEARS OF DEV TIME to implement! These wasteful fucking retards! Holy shit!
>>724624914>The more I play this, the more I think it will be a "hidden gem" several years from nowhidden gems are usually fun to replay, a large number of complaints come from people saying they don't want to replay it because a lot of it isn't really that fun
>>724624929>celerity?That costs blood. In VTMB2, you can climb a building and fly like 500 meters. You press control and you go into vampire run mode which makes you move incredibly fast but it breaks the masquerade. It's like you're in Crysis 1's speed mode permanently with no energy use.So they had to do something to restrict the player's movement through story areas.>if that's the case then they should've come up with something other than a locked door to limit progress and leaving players confusedThey did. The locked doors are only locked if enemies are very close or they are alerted. But they seemingly set the limit too high, so it feels arbitrary, and they will likely fix this.
>>724624940I want to see what they'll do with two pieces of story DLC. Want to be one will be a walking sim?
>Phyre Phestival
>>724625014Neither of them are from Phyre's POV so as far as I'm concerned they're making the same goddamn mistake. Forcing you to play other characters than your main character AGAIN! For both DLC! They're so fucking stupid.
why would i want to suddenly play as random premade characters in a roleplaying game?
>>724624980There are some "radian quest" type quests that you can skip, I think? Or if you can't, they should make it so you can. Easy to spot these, they are the same for every chapter of the main quest.The rest is fine, and I wouldn't mind seeing it from different clans. I can easily imagine at least 3 approaches to combat too - the brawler, the stealthy-mage and the stealthy-assasin. I see myself replaying this, once its patched up.
>>724625014>>724625062it's what people have said. it seems tcr really wanted to tell fabien's story and probably these pieces of dlc rather than phyre's own.
>>724624940They're only adding that option for replays, and it'll likely replace the Fabien sequences with a recap cutscene. Fabien's sequences weren't really made with replay in mind because there are no choices and it plays out the same way each time.>>724624980Bloodlines 1 is actively pretty miserable to play for a large portion of the game, like at least 10 hours of it, and people replay that. It's a different kind fo problem. VTMB2's replay is hampered by the structure of the Fabien sequences. So adding an option to bypass them on replays makes a lot of sense. It's basically like if Dragon Age Origins had The Fade but it wasn't just one sequence. It was 8 of them, peppered throughout the game.
>>724625014This is the description of Ysabella's DLC.>Her art skirts the boundaries of life, of undeath, of Blood, and of the social mores of Kindred society. But she still burns for that glorious moment of transcendence, when her mastery will shape a work that echoes through eternity.>For this, she will become a legend. However, every masterpiece needs a canvas, and there is much work to be done.>Experience Ysabella's dark artistic journey as she seeks to create her magnum opus in this Story Pack.>Contains new playable story content, combat mechanics, and Phyre outfit.So no, I don't think either of the DLC will be pure walking sim stuff like Fabien's flashbacks.
>>724625110>Bloodlines 1 is actively pretty miserable to play for a large portion of the game, like at least 10 hours of it>um actually half the game is shitno, 10 hours is a huge exaggeration. there are a few areas with some balance issues and bloated hp enemies but that is not 10 hours. anything beyond that is more subjective.
Re-reading Ice and Fire or Wheel of Time, and seeing that one character's POV chapter that you hate:>>724625110>It's basically like if Dragon Age Origins had The Fade but it wasn't just one sequence. It was 8 of them, peppered throughout the game.
>>724625110>TCR discovers most people actually cannot stand walking simsAlthough, if they add manual saving, what's the point of replaying the game in the first place? Clan choice practically doesn't matter.
>>724625180Sewers is actively shit. Its also the longest segment of the game.But yes, its not 10 hours, that anon exaggerated. I think you could beat the whole game in 10 hours, just doing the main quest.
>>724625071I'm sure that "please make the sidequests not suck" is a very high item on their feedback list, and there is a significance chance they will do SOMETHING about them. It will cost money, but it will also be a huge amount of relatively easy goodwill. Just take each task and make it multi-stage. So for assassination you have to track the target using clues. For delivery you get attacked sometimes or someone steals the package sometimes. That sorta thing. Mix it up, keep it interesting. The core of the quests is not bad. They just need to rethink the value they bring.
>>724613098Skip this shit and just read Winter's Teeth comic.
>>724625180Bloodlines 1 starts to become actively annoying by the end of Santa Monica. Once you reach downtown, all the Deus Ex style stuff evaporates and you're forced into quests where you're using the terrible combat against heaps of sabbat. The game has sailed off a cliff by the time you get to Chinatown. It's just not fun mechanically.
>>724625246>Sewers is actively shit. Its also the longest segment of the game.i actually liked the sewers, except for like i said, some enemies having too much health. >>724625324not reading this shit lmao
>>724625202People loved Still Wakes the Deep, though.
blood lines 2 was just as bad as cyberpunk 2077. big disappointment. if u liked either game u are an npc
>>724625370Yes. Walking sims fans. Your average player hates that shit. Hell, they hate "let me walk slowly and talk" bits in video games as well.
>>724625370????
>>724625174>one dlc for some dead bitch>another dlc for the other dead bitch (male)What's the fucking point? And before you say anything cringe like all vampires are dead lol haha that's not the fucking point they're both dusted. Gone. Deleted.
>>724625401your average player isn't buying a first person melee action game published by paradox
We need more modern day Vamp vidya
>>724625495Dishonored had DLCs that had you play as NPCs the protagonist met along the main campaign.Bloodlines 2 is clearly very Dishonored inspired in its gameplay, so why not its DLC policy?
The DLC will likely pull some Burial at Sea bullshit where it's like, actually, Ysabella did nothing wrong.
It should have been something like>you're a random human who accidentally awakens a 4th gen nigga in torpor and gets turned>local court decides not to kill you to find out more about said elder and because your low generation might make you useful>story is about tracking said elder and figuring out what he's up to
>>724625013>They did. The locked doorsLmao
>>724625546Because it's retarded
>>724624861Maybe design your game better then?
>>724625546and those DLCs were better than the main gameRIP to the GOAT
>>724625576They didn't want to repeat the generic "baby's first vampire story" template of games like Bloodlines and Vampyr. They wanted to tell the story of a character is already a power player, already part of vampire high society to some extent.
>>724625650too bad it didn't work. can we have a baby's first vampire story again next time please
>>724625650If they didn't want to make a game like VTMB they should have named the game something else
>>724613098The combat is one of the worst parts. I really don't want to be forced to watch the same exact kill / feed scene every 5 seconds. Unlike nudoom, you are actually forced to do the glory kills repeatedly or else just do nothing but punch and kick which is tedious
>>724625709It did work in the sense that Bloodlines 2 has the best story of any vampire game.
>>724625747Story isn't the most important thing.
>>724625546Dishonored has you play as Corvo throughout the whole game and doesn't make you play as some annoying retard that never shuts the fuck up.
>>724625747come on now
>>724625738So by your logic every superhero movie has to be an origin story over and over and over and over and over again?
>>724625594no you don't get it, the locked door is totally different from a generic locked door because... and you can't shoot guns because that's too boring for a vampire but the locked door is uh...
>>724625650That would be cool, but the tone of how Phyre is treated is all over the place. Why would an elder ever do menial fetch quests?
To me the biggest flaw in the narrative is that you can't immediately attack Lou the moment she uses dominate on Ryong. It makes zero sense that you're forced to play along at that part.
phyre is incompetent and weak
>>724625770Story is everything, in fact.
>>724623638They forced that absolute shit show of a name on you because you're supposed to be compelled by Safia to be her weapon of revenge against Lou, who used the Great Seattle Fire against her enemies. So you're Safia's Great Seattle "Phyre". They clearly wanted a "would you kindly" -moment, but somewhere along the development they fumbled the reveal.
>>724613098How's life in bizarro world?
>>724625779It's better to start with the origin story whenever you're making a new super hero, yes.
>>724625801>Why would an elder ever do menial fetch quests?Because you're sheriff and sheriffs do pandering bullshit like that. Also because you want to fuck these vampires and running errands for them helps you with this.
>>724625747Alright time to drop the nuke.
>>724625829The first game wasn't beloved because of the story.
>>724625823>>724625827Patching in more branches where you assert yourself and tell characters to fuck off and this is actually acknowledged later would be nice.
>>724625747It doesn't its fucking awful.
>>724625903It was among other things. The retarded historical revisionism you keep attempting fails because you have proven yourself to be a dishonest schizo from jump.
>>724625903That is true. Bloodlines 1 has a kind of terrible story. The main reason people like it is the characters.
>>724625869Why would a fucking elder that is older than the Prince would ever agree to be a sherriff to begin with? This is beneath him. He should be gunning for the archon or justiciar position.
>>724625863So you're saying we should make the exact same videogame over and over and over again and never move on from generic games about a dude (or girl) who gets bitten and is introduced to the World of Darkness (TM)?Selene in Underworld didn't need a fucking origin story.
>>724626013Because being sheriff allows you to pursue your goals. It brings you into contact with the primogens. I do agree though that they really should have had multiple story paths. One where you become sheriff, one where you don't and go hang out with the anarchs instead.
>>724624870Yeah I meant HSL. I've been checking the old footage and they seemed to use a lot of the old assets, which makes sense.
>>724626028It's been 20 fucking years, nobody's clamoring for vampire stories to change the formula.
>>724626073Retarded logical leap given the sheriff is just the Prince's lapdog. Get fuckeed retard stop trying to do damage contro; for this trash.
>>724626013I told being a sheriff is beneath me and I still got made sheriff. I don't like how the game directs you to a certain path, frankly I don't give a shit about Safia and when she was apparently dead I was supposed to give a damn even though my dialogue choices were indifferent/mean to her.
>>724625841>So you're Safia's Great Seattle "Phyre".why the name phyre was chosen was so obvious and corny
>>724626242Because TCR are made up of ill-bred midwits that can only make "games" for other midwits and retards who think that sort of shit is clever and unique.
>>724626242>Phyre>Pire>Vampire
>>724626013I don't like the idea of playing as an elder in an RPG anyways.The point of an RPG is growth. Starting as an elder doesn't fit, and requires the "you lost your powers and now you are unlocking them again" contrivance.This is like Fallout 4 giving you the power armor in the tutorial, I hate it.They could've had a similar story if they let us play as some thinblood that found a coffin of an elder and tried to eat them, but got mind-jacked and now has the elder in their head. Room for growth, the player controls the modern person who nows what a camera is, the voice is the fish out of water character asking what the green man light means. Just easier to do it that way.
>>724626242>character is from eastern europe, and from centuries ago>name has to be unisex to fit male and female characters>has to be not-normal enough to be foreign, alien, old, strange>has to be pronouncable by anglo monkeysSuggest other names that fit the criteria.Ashur, Alik, Arpa, Arin.....
I like all the China room games.
>>724625841It would make a lot of sense if they went with the original plot they had for Safia (her being impersonated by a Tzimisce). Because conditioning is actually a Dominate skill on the tabletop, and her suddenly going "my love" like a manta makes sense if it was a conditioning trigger phase. But in this scenario this wouldn't work, because Safia is just some youngster neonate from 1920's essentially trying to dominate a much more powerful elder. RAW it doesn't work. But if she was an elder Tzimisce - suddenly the whole plot starts making sense.In general, dropping this whole "Safia is an imposter" angle at the last second introduced so many lore plot holes and for no reason.
>>724613098Why do the graphics look like shit? I've come to really dislike the way the game looks, as well as its story. Combat is okay, though.
>>724626430I only played Amnesia 2, and I didn't like any of the changes they made from the original.
>>724626471The changes from Amnesia 1 or Masquerade 1? They also did Everybody Goes to the Rapture and Still Wakes the Deep.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcsi3hU-rX8Kino ending
>>724626553>I have stood knee-deep in mud and bone and filled my lungs with mustard gas!>I have seen two brothers fall.>I have lain with holy wars and copulated with the autumnal fallout!>I have dug trenches for the refugees. I have murdered dissidents where the ground never thaws and starved the masses into faith!>A child's shadow burnt into the brickwork! A house of skulls in the jungle.>The innocent! The innocent Madnus, have trod and bled and gassed and starved and beaten and murdered and enslaved! This is your coming century!>They will eat them Madnus! They will make pigs of you all and they will bury their snouts into your ribs and they will eat your hearts!KINOOOOOOOOOO
>>724626326>thinblood that found a coffin of an elder and tried to eat them, but got mind-jacked and now has the elder in their head. That's probably what the HSL plot was.
I miss when the subhuman was going "This is like DXHR, actually". Should have just gone full-on Malk shill.
>>724626553i haaaaaate everybody goes to the rapture
>>724626553Changes from Dark Descend to Machine for Pigs.Bloodlines 1/2 are completely different games, no sense to compare them in that way.
>>724626452Chinese room an AA studio at best. You can tell they're heavily using stylistic lighting as a crutch for hiding how nasty the graphics look. I couldn't even count on one hand the amount of horrible n64 looking textures I've found in this game. The stacks of books in your haven, door handles everywhere look weird, the npc blood dolls look awful. The real crime here is selling an indie game at full AAA price
>>724626704Why? >>724626713What changes did you dislike? I didn't actually like Amnesia 1
>>724625841Safia was originally a different vampire named Cemile, I think? She looked the same but was pretending to be a Tremere. There was probably quite a bit of story stuff that got left on the cutting room floor.
>>724613098its mid but its fun
how can i get a job at chinese room too?
>>724626674You didn't notice that the Ysabella boss fight is a Human Revolution homage, complete with the option to do it with and without your powers?
>>724626793>What changes did you dislike? I didn't actually like Amnesia 1Sanity, health, inventory, light management, human characters were removed, and we went from continental Gothic style to english Victorian style. I disliked all of those changes.Everything that was the same between the two Amnesias, I liked. Everything that was different, I disliked. So Chinese Room are in my shitbook for the one game of theirs I've played so far (other than Bloodlines 2 now).
>>724626704>i haaaaaate everybody goes to the raptureI don't hate it, but I did find EGTTR kind of boring. Dear Esther was elegant and simple. EGTTR feels bloated and meandering.
>>724626837>how can i get a job at chinese room too?They're running a fairly lean ship due to going independent. I wonder if they've hired the writers back yet. All the writers on Bloodlines 2 left months ago.
>>724626957I liked 'em both
>>724626795And that story makes way more sense than what we've gotten. Because the big problem with Safia is that she's been on the Sabbat's payroll for decades and yet nobody in both the Pyramid and in Camarilla court was able to tell.But if they were to go with the original story - suddenly it makes sense. Because Safia actually WAS a loyal and trustworthy vampire that's above any suspicion, until a few nights ago when she was killed and replaced with a Tzimisce.
>>724626449>Safia is just some youngster neonate from 1920Past a century you're not a neonate, no.>>724626326The point of an RPG is growth.Fair enough personal preference, but not in absolute. Some of the best one shots I've had in tabletop were with fixed characters with barelay a growth.
>>724627143She's on the verge of being ancilla. Semantics, whatever.
>>724627143Why do vampires have base 10 time tables? Their culture should predate that. They should've been written as using base 6 or base 12, like the Babylonians. Would've been another layer of weirdness and make them more alien.They shouldn't have centuries, they should have eras, and an era should be something like 240 years or whatever. A weird number that only makes sense to archaic beings.
>>724624653I, too, watched that video.
>>724627121The original lead writer claims that the dead body in the lab was always a fake. That Cemile was originally a Tzimisce and she had different motivations, but the plot point of her faking her death using a random fledgling modified to look like her was always there.I think it's really a subversion of the Master Miller/Liquid Snake impersonation twist. Where instead the twist is that this other vampire created a fictional personal called Safia that became a trusted member of the court.Regardless, the decision to make her a real Tremere and have her connected to Fabien and to everyone else was part of wider rewrites.
I genuinely cannot suffer through Fabian. Him existing rapes the replayability of this game.
>>724624653What do you mean "no usable gun". You can use all the guns in the game. And there is emergent gameplay. And of course there's no multiple hub areas. They stitched them all into a single larger hub. What moron made this list?
>>724627121I don't much like Safia myself but:- No Chantry in Seattle, and Ms Thorn is younger than Safia and a comparatively recent arrival. Safia is the eldest Tremere around.- A significant portion of the court is Sabbat (Safia, Gideon, Ysabella, Benny is part of the plot and under their thumb at the very least, so is Willem ), and the previous prince was disposed of for allegely being a part of it. Much easier to hide in that context where Sheriff, secret keeper and forensic expert are part of the plot.
>>7246274481. Guns fire automatically, they're not useable within the traditional sense.>And of course there's no multiple hub areas. 2. Then there's no multiple hubs, dipshit. It's all the same.
>>724627516>No Chantry in Seattle, and Ms Thorn is younger than Safia and a comparatively recent arrival. Safia is the eldest Tremere around.Wait, the fuck? WHAT? It makes no sense for Thorn to be younger than Safia. Otherwise, why the fuck would Thorn be a Primogen?
>>724627596>Guns fire automaticallyYea, when you pull the trigger. (I think they should let you burst fire, though, sure.)>Then there's no multiple hubs, dipshit. It's all the same.They took the five districts and connected them together instead of adding load breaks between each of them like Hardsuit did. There's downtown, chinatown, pioneer square, whatever it's called park.
>>724627701I believe Thorn has been in the city for a while. Safia returned recently, and her job is working for Ryong. Thorn is working on establishing the chantry in Seattle, on the sly.
>>724626449>In general, dropping this whole "Safia is an imposter" angle at the last second introduced so many lore plot holes and for no reason.Yeah like the whole Sabbat connection seems completely irrelevant outside of the usual Sabbat boogeyman thing. Her being Tzimisce would have explained that plot point.
>>724627759>Safia returned recently, and her job is working for RyongAnd nobody did a background check on her?
>>724627761The sabbat connection is explained in-game as Safia deciding to throw in her lot with the sabbat due to her disillusionment with everyone else. They're really just using a stupid, heartbroken Tremere to do their dirty work.
>>724627718>Yea, when you pull the triggerOkay, can you store them and use them later? Reload them?
>>724617470Sorry, I didn't know this thread was up. Also thought people were getting tired of it
>>724627821Ryong needed a scientist. And she was a known figure in the court in the 20s. Lou hates her, and I think Lou hating her is one of the reasons Ryong keeps her around. A little bit of a power play.
>>724627761Also, nobody in Sabbat would EVER tolerate a Tremere in a leadership position. Even the Sabbat-aligned House Goriatrix are more like mercs to them.Unless Safia decided to create her own Sabbat cosplay group. But that's not how it works. You don't wake up one day and go "I am Sabbat today".
>>724627701Despite what the name might seem to imply, a Primogen isn't always the local eldest member of a clan, nor its more powerful. Quite often not, actually.It's a matter of political balance more than anything, even if personal political clout does play a role.
>>724627875That's moving the goalposts. Guns a temporary combat tool that is purposefully de-emphasized to stop it feeling like the first Bloodlines where it was basically an FPS with vampire trimmings.
>>724627718>They took the five districts and connected them together instead of adding load breaks between each of them like Hardsuit did.Probably should have kept the HSL version. Maybe that would have cut down on the pointless padding of running around the boring map.
>>724627718>They took the five districts and connected them together instead of adding load breaks between each of them like Hardsuit did.yet there is literally nothing to do or anything interesting in them. people like you are the reason modern devs have gotten lazy. they know that you'll give a pass even to the most generic of slop
>>724627959If we're going to be lore lawyers about, there's officilay no more Tremere antitribu alive.That said, as anon mention, turning a Tremre to the cause and using her against the sect's enemies? Classic Sabbat move.
>>724628117I actually think there may have been value to keeping the districts isolated simply from a tonal perspective. That way you could have a unique per-hub theme.Also, the running around is a problem.
>>724628163Yea, they really didn't know what to do with the hub. It's treated more as a backdrop for the story. Maybe they can improve it post-release though.
>>724628009>That's moving the goalpostsNo? A fundamental part of using a gun is reloading. It's literally the foundation of modern firearms.>Guns a temporary combat toolDeeply retarded decision>that is purposefully de-emphasized to stop it feeling like the first Bloodlines where it was basically an FPS with vampire trimmings.Except no. You could focus on melee or brawl or the disciplines. That's because unlike it's garbage sequel, VtMB was an RPG complete with stats and builds.The decision to "de-emphasize" guns not only shows how incredibly incompetent TCR are in making fun gameplay, but how they also miss the point of the VtM in general.Jack has a entire speech on why he uses guns and why you should too, but since nobody making this trash fire played the original they missed it
>>724628213Yeah, Deus Ex Mankind Divided shows that a smaller, but a more dense hub is a lot better than a large empty area.
>>724628286>No? A fundamental part of using a gun is reloading.There are multiple FPS games where you can't reload because guns are meant to be single use items.>The decision to "de-emphasize" guns not only shows how incredibly incompetent TCR are in making fun gameplay, but how they also miss the point of the VtM in general.It was a decision inherited from the previous, who also made guns temporary single-use items, albeit ones you could store in a slot, one per category.
>>724617556We play monday nights and we're currently in a short vtm campaign adding on to a longrunning story. Funnily enough, until you mentioned it I didn't actually make the connection between pnp and this. How far modern WoD has fallen.
>>724628324It is worth noting that TCR's hub was originally five times bigger. This is the cut down version. At the end of the day, what the game needs is quests peppered around the hub each night like RoboCop: Rogue City, to give you an incentive to explore and engage. They failed to do that, and the hub consequently feels somewhat pointless.
I wonder if Paradox will end up hiring Sumo Digital (who used to own TCR) to help develop the DLC and possible additional content.
>>724613098Silence, troon. Your shilling won't save your slop.
>>724628183And if that was a proper RPG it could've been a good angle for a Tremere Phyre to have Safia stand down.>bitch, you are a Tremere, Sabbat are not your friends, they are using you and you should know this.>also, you are not thinking straight, because your Sabbat Malkavian boyfriend is deliberately fucking with your mind.But it's not an RPG, so Phyre remains an idiot with no arguments.Also, technically, Tremere only wiped out the members of House Goriatrix. Some Tremere antitribu (who weren't aligned with either Sabbat, nor House Goriatrix) survived, but they are exceedingly rare, because the Tremere are REALLY good at hunting down the outliers.
>>724628373>There are multiple FPS games where you can't reload because guns are meant to be single use items.The only one I can remember is Superhot, and the whole game is a gimmick.Regardless, doesn't change the fact that reloading guns is a huge deal in using guns + the original had it>It was a decision inherited from the previous, who also made guns temporary single-use items, albeit ones you could store in a slot, one per category.Okay? It's still retarded, if less so.
>>724628575>The only one I can remember is Superhot, and the whole game is a gimmick.Also Mirror's Edge. Also Condemned Criminal Origins, the game this one steals the mannequin thing from.
Just finished this and it was ok. Not as good as the others but I can see I can now play aagain as Paidraic. Is it worth playing again through his chapters because honestly I dunno if I can be bothered. Especially if it's the same story.
>>724628575>Regardless, doesn't change the fact that reloading guns is a huge deal in using guns + the original had itYea, but the original had terrible combat and the guns were a major part of it.
>>724621745>If you act like a vampire elder,You aren't though. You're like 10th gen and a couple hundred years old at best. That's barely ancillae-tier.
>>724628738In v5, that is very much an Elder because anyone older is AWOL.
>>724628738You're 7th/6th gen and at least 400 years old. Your sire is famous.
>>724628268As a big proponent of smaller, denser hubs myself, I want to say that bigger hubs have their place too. It's matter of adequacy of level design to gameplay. To be fair to TCR, I think what they did with the main street/back alleys and the ground floor/building roofs divides is very nice, and in better times would have gotten a secod iteration to polish the concept up. The traversal tools fit the soze of the hub and are part of why the game is so fun to play when it is.The issue here is just the game lacking in content. Not enough visible, tangible variations in choice-consequences. No sense of serendipity in the exploration - which is one of the biggest joys in that kind of tRPGs adaptations, in my opinion.
>>724628829Oh, the Call shit. Yeah I forgot about that. >>724628860....one of you would appear to be wrong.
>>724628628Don't like VNs myself but watched a friend play that as we talked, the malk run will add some stuff from his point of view (and if I remember well some cute trick with UI presentation) but overall up to the end change it will basically be the same story.Can't say if it will be worth your while.
>>724622467>second, possibly third hottest Tremere in the game
>>724623634The Tremere deserve better.
>>724629124I'll skip it then. Can't be bothered to do the same story twice even though I found Paidraic interesting. Onto the next game then. Got all the VtM games on sale and getting through them and liking it so far.
>>724628905We have no idea of the Nomad's gen, no mention of it as far as I could see in game. That said the age is around 400+ (150 years older than the US is the description used).
>>724628628AI art is TREMENDOUS decline compared to two earlier games.
>>724629371>he's about to play swansong
>>724629465Is it bad? I'm not expecting anything great from it but it was on sale and cheaper than a McDonalds so I thought why not
>>724629529If you've played studio's previous game The Council it's that + RNG.
Why didn't they just make a good game? The combat is easily 5% of the way to being good, maybe even 6%. Just iterate on that, don't put any retarded walking sim parts and you're golden. They clearly despise the very idea of RPGs so just make a good action game instead. They spent like 3 years repurposing the cancelled version, they had plenty of time
>>724629664Not played that but if it's shit, I'll move on. I'm saving this for last as anons have recommended it as one of the best, especially story wise.
>>724629529It's jank central and one of three playable characters is absolutely redundant.
>>724629529NTA I enjoyed it well enough myself, but as always with Cyanide (well, here Big Bad Wolf technically, same difference), the game is a desing mess that throws elements around without really understanding why/how they work. Expect an average game with significant variance - some cool stuff and some frustrating elements.Approached as a classic point&click with tacked on RPG mechanics, I think the game works overall. Be aware the Emem segments are generally considered more of a chore,regardless of what one thinks of the character, because of how the celerity "puzzzles" are set up. And BEWARE the sutpid save system that will make you restart the game /completely/ if asking for a restart.If you're a WoD fan there's some very nice stuff they did adapting old Boston by Night I found, but it's not necessary to enjoy.
>>724614915>>724623368>ITZ DA SHILLZBut let me guess, you think all the Dispatch threads are totally organic?
>>724630137Unironically, yes.The Dispatch devs have cracked the /v/ code. /v/ really does like games with waifus that show off their boobies.
>>724630137>you think all the Dispatch threads are totally organicYou're exposing yourself as a newfag for thinking the tell-tale games were never popular on here.
>>724630230>gamesBut it's not a game and /v/ usually whines and shits their pants over supposed movie games.
>>724613098Nice try Shill
>>724629386>(150 years older than the US is the description used)Which is kind of stupid, because that's probably not a frame of reference that an elder vampire who went nighty night in the 20s would use.Anyway, they were specifically noted as getting into the history books in 1633 (Constantinople fire), so not only was the Nomad around and succed by then, they were famous enough to have got a snazzy nickname and for people to give a shit what they were up to and write it into vampire lore. As such 400 is extreme lowball.
>>724630493Which means he's clearly elder generation (6 or 7) and avoiding the beckoning because of torpor and diablerie.
>turn graphics from ultra to low>still only get 30 fpspiece of shit jeet game
>>724630982Actually 400 is just impossible because even if they came out of the grave being Awesome McCoolguy that everybody was super interested in and they nomadded at sanic speeds like nobody had ever been itinerant before, they're clearly not 9 years old.
>>724630493>Which is kind of stupid, because that's probably not a frame of reference that an elder vampire who went nighty night in the 20s would use.We all have our thresholds with verissimilitude, with fact being stranger than fiction I've grown to disergard that kind of details as generally insignificant myself. Any of us can witness weirder, more improbable things happen daily in real life. We just scoff it off.>400 is extreme lowballWe can always assume the MC is lying but the this is the claimed age we have in text. That's what we have to work with.>not only was the Nomad around and succed by then, they were famous enough to have got a snazzy nickname and for people to give a shit what they were up to and write it into vampire lore.I don't remember the exact wording, but I had assumed the nickame was given a posteriori. And a neonate surviving that and then more later would get a raise in people's interest looking it up.>>724630982>Which means he's clearly elder generation (6 or 7)First "elder" is not strictly a generational thing. Lucian in V1 was an interesting example of a comparatively high (8th) 2 millenia old elder.Second, where are you getting that gen from? There's nothing here that gives solid proof. Surviving strife can be done by anyone regardless of inate power. We don't know how they survived.
Yeh I really liked it too. You know what game it reminds me of in a strange way? Dreamfall from 2006. Bet that's a game few people here will remember.
>>724631357>later would get a raise in people's interest looking it upThat's not how history works. Unimportant things are not recorded, it's not like everything gets written down and you decide afterwards what's important.
>>724631470That's defenitely not a ref I would have expected about that game. What do you reckon provocked the association, mood?
>>724631357>First "elder" is not strictly a generational thingSorry, my bad. Our v20 group generally refers to the children of the methuselahs as the elders.
>>724631623>That's not how history works. Unimportant things are not recorded, it's not like everything gets written down and you decide afterwards what's important.You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? I'm currently reading a book on the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre and the historian made it a point to find back the name of the protestant wife of one of the low level catholic executant (he's the one that killed his wife; cheaper than a divorce) and he did. And she was barely a footnote of a footnote in the grander scheme of things.What we chose to put in the books and what is recorded are two very different things.
>>724631660Yeh I think it's probably the mood - fantasy noir, with a particular mix of the lighthearted and the genuinely dark. A combination of tropes from different genres into the narrative which makes the story's arc hard to predict. And good art design (a strong sense of place and time in relatively simplistic maps). And dual protagonists.
>>724622361>>anons actually enjoying the game instead of shitting all over it??? Are we reading the same thread?
>>724632238That guy was looking at parish records dipshit, not a history book.
>>724632340I've just remembered Dreamfall had 3 protagonists lol. Still.
>>724629371>>724629465When will Swansong enter its revisionist "not so bad" phase?
>>724632702this one anon has been trying to make it happen for ages
>>724625062Do game writers not understand that in the course of playing through a game the player comes to identify the game feel and mechanics with the character you're playing?
>>724632437Not just parish, he had to cross reference. But that's missing the point. *He* made a history book. How do you think actual serious history books are made?People check the sources. And people deciding a posteri that something that till then had been deemed unimportant (the name of an anonymous wife killed by her husband member of the watch) can be found back. The whole thing is insignificant in the grander scheme of things, the murder, the killer, the wife. And yet we have the whole story up to that minute detail now in a history book published last year, more than 500 years after the fact.>>724632340Hadn't thougt about the dual protagonist. Interesting.
>>724633054>he had to cross reference. But that's missing the pointWow, more than one easily accessible public source of something that's legally required to be posted publicly and recorded in at least two places.You know what doesn't have things like that? Organised crime and other such underworlds. Talk about missing a fucking point.
>>724632340>>724633054Also an extremely obese, hairless evil guy who speaks cryptically.
>>724633171>expecting a shill to have an optimal amount of chromosomes
>>724624653best fucking video ever made on this piece of shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3hgRlu7MF8
>>724629753Night Road is pretty good, but I'll warn you now that nothing else the author wrote is in the same league.
>>724633171By which point we're getting out of scope of your original argument. Either we have *recorded* history - and here the main sources would be personal journals, correspondence for the vampire stuff and, yes, all the administrative documents that exist for the human side and could be traced back, a noble poet, a succcesful pirate or a janissary leaves traces - or we have oral history and by then all bets are off for a posteriori rewritting.
Can someone explain to a lorelet about Tremere, the pyramid and what a big deal it is that it doesn't exist anymore.
>>724634885The Tremere are/were one of the most hierarchical and organized of the clans. Modern players didn't like that so v5 devs destroyed the command center/ largest chantry in Vienna called the Pyramid.
You can tell the game is a bit cobbled together because this very clearly should have been the ending.
>>724634885The Tremere used to be human mages who made themselves vampires. House Tremere became Clan Tremere. They were (and probably still are) by far the most organized clan, a sect within a sect, the pyramid being their overall structure. The SI hit their main chantry and allegedly killed a bunch of leadership, which made things less organized than they once were. This used to be enforced by blood bonds, where everyone was two of three steps bound to the leadership by default, but those were broken as well.
>>724634885The clan is made of mages that stole immortality from vampires in the middle ages, lost magic in the process and had to re-create their own "blood magic" as replacement.The clan has been more or less at war with most factions in the setting at some point. It's is tightly structured and controlled, the Pyramid being both metaphor for that structure and metonymy for the leaders at the top that take strategic/political decisions for the clan. In V5 the top leaders have been killed and the structure - too rigid - has collapsed as a consequence, leaving individual members scrambling for freedom at last or vying to rebuild a structure they deem necessary - if only for protection.
>>724635379>Modern players didn't like thatliar
>>724633982We're not talking about Dave Nomad of 12 Bloodsucc Lane's unpaid stable bills here. They'd be calling him Dave if we were.>or we have oral historyYes, precisely. Take your dead wife for instance. Did anyone record what her favorite fruit was? No, because she was completely fucking unimportant.
>>724634885https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Tremere_(VTM)?so=search#Organization
>>724635534Okay, sorry. The Tremere were too nazi coded so modern woke developers didn't like that.
>>724613098>shill threadBuy an ad. >>724630137>you think all the Dispatch threads are totally organic?If you can't tell the difference between those threads and this, you should get a different gig.
>>724635734You're gay AND retarded AND they already retconned the pyramid getting destroyed
>>724635734Good. Remember your place, Chudmere.
>>724621325What about Fable?
>>724635980Interesting fact, the (replacement) creative director on Bloodlines 2 was the lead scripter on Fable 3.
>>724635379>>724635440>>724635530>>724635687Thanks bros
The Camarilla really was too nazi coded
>>724636086And you're too faggot coded but we still let you hang around
>>724621890>dodge into the opponent's attackThis shit is so stupid and barely works. Most of the time you wind up dashing slightly off to the side and fucking it up. Besides, it's almost always the better move to dodge + kick. Just make a dedicated parry key fuck.
>>724636386I agree it is a bad mechanic and they should change it.
>I need to find out how I woke here
>>724636386he needs blööd to survive
>>724635549So we went from>unimportant things are not recordedand some are, this has been shown, to>all unimportant things have to be recordedLook, no need to go into logical fallacies, you don't really know the field you're talking about and have a very fuzzzy understanding of it. Not a big deal.>>724636086Reading a book recently on the nazi rise to power, it felt very weird for a moment to see the word Camarilla in its original historical sense again.
>>724636524They're also forced to sleep during the day, another thing this game got wrong
I know he's a Malk and is supposed to be a bit screwy, but did they really have to make him such a fucking cartoon character? Why does the voice actor deliver his lines like he's in a borderlands game? God I fucking hate him and his stupid chungus dialogue.
>>724636635>unimportant things are not recordedand this is the important bit>in history booksYou're conflating public records with history because you're a fucking brainlet.
>>724636879Detective Fabien was written was a Chinatown-style detective at some point in 2024, but he underwent ANOTHER rewrite to turn him into a parody. They felt that his enthusiasm played better against Phyre's attitude.
>>724636879Borderlands games are great
>>724636879He's a chipper self-parody, I can let them off with it. Once. It would in theory get really fucking old in a replay, I do not plan on testing the theory.They should really have set it in Chicago with the amount of automatic gunfire being completely ignored by cops.
>>724635394Ending is definitely a rush-job, sadly. Rest of the story seemed well done.
>>724636879His existence rapes clan replayability.
>>724637041*raises spork*
My favorite type of shill posting in these threads is when they take a criticism, don't address it at all, and instead post about the development history of the gameCompletely hypothetical example, saying things like "the character was rewritten" which everyone already knows, while not addressing the actual complaint (no one wants to listen to this character's dogshit dialogue) at all
I personally think Fabien needs a bit of a trim like they did for Char-LES in Atomic Heart. There's a lot of dialogue where he basically says things you already know. I get the intention, but if they trimmed his dialogue by like 20%, stripped out the fluff. Basically, this could factor into the Fabien sequences being skippable. If you play the Fabien sequences, stop fucking recapping them. If you skipped them, then let Fabien recap a few points.Also, please, they need to add ambient NPC chatter to the interiors. It is annoying how nobody speaks when you're at the bars and clubs and stuff.
>>724637286Nah, Fabien's dialogue is great. I love all the silly voices and the backstory you get playing as him is really critical. But his sections need work.
>>724637298They should have gone full point and click style and just teleported you between scenes. That's why he overstays his welcome. And you've got to remember most of the little recaps come right after a save, you might be loading in cold and actually need a reminder.
>>724637735True.
>>724637626The talking to inanimate objects bit is pretty good. Credit to the voice guy, he's doing what he can with what he's got and turning the ham up to 11 is usually a good bet.>>724637831That said they could actually bother to put in a fucking check if it's a cold load.
>>724637940The talking to objects bit is the only part in the game where I skipped the dialogue because I knew the info I get would just be in the next quest marker anyway and the dialogue just serves to repeat the same thing 5 times in a row while Fabien does le epic quipsFuck TCR
Every time Fabien does the sped up walking thing all I can think about is Linkara
>>724628559>because the Tremere are REALLY good at hunting down the outliers.How are they so good? You'd think it'd be near impossible to wipe out entire bloodlines, cause odds are at least a few stragglers are lying unnoticed in torpor in random hidden areas of the world.
>>724613098"Damn good?" No. It's just okay. Probably will never touch it again until they add the skip for Fabien's parts.It does have a great OST though - the sound design in general for this game was the biggest standout to me.
The game is so good after playing for several hours i decided there is such a phenomenon as too much of a good thing and uninstalled this shit.
>>724629390That's AI art? What did previous games art look like?
>>724638736Yea, it's a huge problem when you realize that if you keep playing you're never gonna be about to go back to the older games.
>>724629664>The CouncilNow there's a game that never gets mentioned on /v/
>>724639490Cause it's bad
>>724639170hand drawn
>>724628606Mirror's Edge isn't an fps>>724628653And? Of the original had terrible combat, why does the sequel decide to be worse at it? Are they retarded?
>>724639650That does look better, but that's one stylized example.
>>724630137Dispatch is being played by a lot of people and clearly successfulVtMB2 flopped and nobody played it
>>724638578>How are they so good?Magic, everywhere you go, everything you do leaves a sympathetic connection that a powerful enough magic user can trace back to you.
>>724639763How do non-undead mages avoid being tracked down by their enemies?
>>724639690left, older game artright, reckoning ai art
i know it's all shills because average /v/tard or indian working to promote the game can't write for shit so it's clearly grok who's writing about "fluid gameplay with chaining combos and abilities"
>>724638578The whole deal with the Tremere is that they're secretive and cult-ish and (initially) unique Then WW started giving blood magic to every lick that draw an alchemical sigil and the Tremere just started feeling redundant
>>724636879Because every character in this shitpile is a quirk chungus. It's consistent with the redditor tone they were going for.
>>724639859damn can they make glasses even bigger
>>724638578>How are they so good?Magic helps a lot. The Tremere are also just frankly better than the other clans at anything you could think of.
>>724639859I can tell there's something soulless about the right even if I can't put my finger on it.Didn't the Supreme Court rule that AI art can't be copyrighted? I'm amazed companies use them when IP is so important and precious to them.
>>724640018even sucking cock?God where is my stinky Tremere femcel gf..
>>724639954>Then WW started giving blood magic to every lickI always just ignore this shit, it's gay. Really the Tremere should be going out of their way to hunt down and kill anyone else who knows any blood magic just to maintain their monopoly and place at court anyways.
>>724640018silence corpse wizard
>>724640068Anything.
>>724640151>>724639859Aisling... RIP. Did she get killed in Reckoning after the bomb went off at Elysium?
>>724639809Awakened mages can use correspondence to hide and sever these sympathetic connections, but then a more powerful mage may use time shenanigans to bypass that, it's a game of cat and mouse, whoever has the more powerful and careful allies will win in the end, mages live in a MAD situation sometimes, I don't correspondence nuke you, you don't correspondence nuke me and we kind get along.
>>724640068>stinky Tremere femcel gf
>>724640084>I always just ignore this shit, it's gay. I always ignored big swaths of 2nd to Revised. The thing is that it's sporadic shit here and there which you could perfectly do fone without. V5 was so bad that it was easier to just ignore it entirely >Really the Tremere should be going out of their way to hunt down and kill anyone else who knows any blood magic just to maintain their monopoly and place at court anyways.Yeah, it's their take as a ClanIt's also how they work for a player. The Tremere have a lot of support from their Clan but are also oppressively shackled to the structure. It's supposed to parallel the inhibited freedom Gangrel players get
>>724614212>VMTB1What?There's no game called this.
>>724638578They have magic, weird rituals, mind probing, 90% of the clan is also blood bonded in one way or the other and they are also VERY FUCKING DETERMINED to kill everybody that betrays the clan. It's because their survival depends on it. Literally everybody is trying to kill them and that's not an exagerration, so a rogue Tremere selling the clan's secrets to the enemy (that is anybody who isn't a Tremere) is a potential security breach. So they have the motivation.
>>724621701>The game is not shit>It just didn't properly explain to players the right mechanics in this incredibly expensive, real RPG, Bloodlines 2 masterpieceHoly fucking cope batman
>>724640187She'll be fine. Paradox doesn't have the balls to kill off one of the most liked signature characters in the setting.
>>724633776Thanks. I needed that.
>>724640187"Following the destruction of the Elysium by hunter forces, Aisling is severely wounded--her legs gone below the knees, left arm ripped off, neck savagely torn up and covered in vast burns--and is forced into torpor. Her body is rescued by the Lasombra Julia Sowinski."
>>724640274Damn, that sounds worse than being a vampire
>>724640656>Literally everybody is trying to kill them and that's not an exagerration, so a rogue Tremere selling the clan's secrets to the enemy (that is anybody who isn't a Tremere)Even the rest of the Camarilla are their enemies?
>>724641125In many cases.
>>724621317>literally just Mass Effect 3 endingkek
>>724640656>Literally everybody is trying to kill them and that's not an exagerrationFor absolutely excellent reason. Ask any clans that hate them. Oh, they have good reasons.>>724641125>Even the rest of the Camarilla are their enemies?Tremere have a "I'll steal everyone's magic and kill them and gaslight everyone into believing it's not my fault" thing going on for roughtly 1500 years+. They are one of the founder of the Camarilla. They only founded the Camarilla to have less people wanting to kill them for their sins, and to pretend, somewhat, that they're not well dressed kinslaying sociopaths. It sometimes works on neonates. Sometimes.
>>724640996Mages are nerds. They can't actually do anything because if they do the consensus reality of normals will fail, and what's possible will change.
>>724641459That's not the ending. It's AN ending for whoever you just sicced a supernatural PMC on, or you can of course just kill the negress.
>>724641818If people suddenly started doing magic everywhere, wouldn't consensus reality change to think magic is real, making even more things possible?
>>724641125Especially the rest of the Camarilla. At least 3 Camarilla clans want to murder them pro froma.Mostly because the Tremere went a bit too Nazi with their genetic experiments on other clans.
>>724641945Yeah, but you can't doing magic everywhere, as consensus will backlash against you hard. And VERY VERY VERY HARD, paradox is absolutely no joke, that's the weight of 7+ billions sleepers not believing in your bullshit.But if - if you could do it, you could change what people thought, and consensual reality. Sure. One of the most awesome mage ever was a guy who had that exact plan. On the eve of the WW1, he took a magic Zeppelin, ran through France to Paris, put himself right in the eyes of millions of French people and said "yeah, you read Jules Vernes, you all know huge Zeppelin can be a thing, so I now decree, my fuckhuge Zeppeling with canon is possible by reality, as you all are seeing it."He didn't end up so well. But fuck if he wasn't awesome.
>vampire games and visual novels>wereolves games and visual novelsWhy are there none from mages from WoD? Wizards are generally an easier sell to casuals
>>724642336I really need to get into Mage at some point. I actually have all the the 2e and M20 books, I just don't have time to study them because Jesus Christ, those are some bricks, and a group to play.
>>724642476Because Mage in WoD is not an easy sell at all. Mage in WoD is a reality-bending clusterfuck.
>>724640996You have traditions and cabals that band together to help each other, you put up wards, magical alarms and shit so you have protection, these limitations are just so that a single mage doesn't go around nuking reality.
>>724624914there is nothing hidden about this game. it lacks any of the actual charm of the old game. believe me I WANT to like it but there's not a lot to like. all the side chars are throwaways and unremarkable, forgettable or both especially the main char phyre, they don't even really get cool side missions attached to them. the city while large has nothing to explore and has no interactivity. the combat is extremely repetitive and tedious with very limited enemy types especially when you're low leveled. the story while passable is hampered by the excessive use of flashback portions with fabien. it's janky as fuck and not in the charming kind of way.
>>724642476Because WoD wizards don't do shit anon. It'd be like a war film set in Hiroshima on August 5th 1945.
>>724642643>>724642728Tell me about mages in WoD. I know nothing of them
did the hardsuit labs version of vtmb2 have a weird trigger warning system or am i misremembering?
>>724625869you're left literally doing ghoul work like delivering packages which is retarded especially for an elder. it would make sense if it was your sire but that shit is degrading even for a ghoul.
>>724642896I don't remember anything about that, but I wouldn't be surprised. They're in Seattle so you can imagine what the staff is like.
>>724642896HSL's planned to have trigger warnings and let you skip quests that had content you might find disturbing.
>>724642841Imagine magic is like schizophrenia, mages wage war against each other by throwing subtle schizo rays at the others, because if you fully throw massive schizoid bombs all-around, the insanity turns against you
>>724643347just basic skipping? i remember it being really unique somehow
>>724643438WoD really is just World of Semitism when you think about it.
>>724642841Reality is a consensus between Sleepers (aka people that are not mage). Gravity is literally a consensus we believe as a specy. Gravity doesn't exist. The laws of nature, science, the formulas doesn't exist. We just started to believe they do, and so, made it so.We started to in science because the "Order of Reason", aka the Technocracy, in 1400, wanted to create a world where everyone would be god. Objective 1: make every sleepers believe they can be gods. If everyone believe Quantum Teleportation and replicators are possible, then Quantum Teleportation and replicators become possible. For everyone. It's a lie, but it's also true, because you made everyone believe the lie. Objective 2: fuck the mages.Mages are awakened. They can simply replace the consensual framework of reality by their own framework, which is as real as any (that is, not at all, and yet very real). There are 11 traditions aka alternate framework for how the world work in Mage.Reality doesn't like being slapped in the face, though. Well, it's all a Technocracy plot, really, to make Reality less able to be slapped in the face, it wasn't that much of a problem in the middle age. But since 1700+, if you're trying to punch Reality in the face, because the Technocracy was so successful, you'll get punched in the face far harder and more violently.
>>724630982Wrong, smiling Jack is 10th gen and a proper Elder. Even more so than Phyre in most ways
>>724642015>the Tremere went a bit too Nazi with their genetic experiments on other clans.Didn't they side with the actual Nazis, too?
>>724643696I feel like a schizo reading that. Interesting though, how does the mage ttrpg work?
>>724643905
>>724643668>get blamed for bad stuff others doSounds about right
>>724643696>If everyone believe Quantum Teleportation and replicators are possible, then Quantum Teleportation and replicators become possible.So then were are the replicators and quantum teleporters?Everyone believes space travel is possible, so where's the moon bases and Mars colonies in WoD?
>>724642476>>724642841>>724641945Mages is about a war for how reality should be at the most fundamental level, are you really fond of string theory? You will makeprove it's real!So in your example you already have the problem that each mage or group of mages will have vastly different ideas about how Magic itself should be practioned and what it can even do, so maybe you want to look like Gandalf and throw literal fireballs around, but another mage from an animistic tradition thinks we should be praying to the spirtis of nature so that it rains tomorrow, it's not just against the cold modern scientific consensus you fight against.
>>724644034>antitribuNot really supporting the position there.>>724644130Stupid kine, always sucking themselves to death.
>>724644034Figures they'd embrace the most autistic of the major Nazis
>>724643948It requires a really, REALLY clever and attentive DM. Otherwise your session turns into a schizofrenic clusterfuck.
>>724642336>One of the most awesome mage ever was a guy who had that exact plan.Name of this guy so I can look him up?
>>724644356I’ll have to see if there are any good sessions on YouTube. I’m intrigued
>>724644317To be fair, A LOT of Tremere went antitribu during WWII. Mostly because Camarilla's stance on the conflict was "not our problem" until kine started dying left and right and Camarilla was forced to pick as side, because they were y'know, running out of food. So they sided with the Allies - not because they liked them, but because they just wanted the fucking war to end. And it turned out the Tremere wanted to hang out with the Nazis, because they kept conducting cool experiments, but Camarilla was anti-Nazi, so suddenly a lot of antritribu Tremere that totally weren't sanctioned by the Council of Seven started popping up. It was fun.Aisling Sturbridge was absolutely disgusted by the way her clan was operating during WWII.
>>724644495You'll be sorely disappointed, specially with mage the ascension, if you want to get a better understanding of mage with cringe levels kept to a minimum, check out MageThePodcast.
Playing now. It's "okay". Certainly lacks the edge of the first.
>>724644713>it turned out the Tremere wanted to hang out with the Nazis, because they kept conducting cool experimentsYou'd think they'd ally with the Tzimisce eventually if that was the case, instead of being arch-enemies.
>>724645013I mean, when you think about it, they ARE the Tzimisce bloodline. They just won't admit that and Tzimisce are to salty to acknowledge it either, because powerful and mighty Dragons getting duped by some uppity Mage... nah.
>>724645013Whoa now anon stop asking questions. It was six million and not one more or less, alright.
>>724645189I thought Tremere replaced the Salubri?
>>724643948>how does the mage ttrpg work?It famously doesn't.The system is almost as complex and schizo as the lore, so people either settle for just reading it or come up with better systems to play it. Even GURPs (which nobody ever accused of being intuitive) is usually preferable
>>724645301Nah, they just diablerized (or didn't depending on the version and lore) Salubri to get legitimacy as a Clan.It's funny because I actually made this a plot point in one of my chronicles, where the Tremere metaphysically fucked themselves over because they're a Clan of shapers that erroneously ursuped the position of the Healer clan
>>724645301Well, not exactly. At the very beginning they actually caught a bunch of Tzimisce and started doing funny experiments on them to figure out how this vampire shit works. And then they used the Tzimisce blood to turn themselves into vampires.Only then they realized that there is this thing called "generation" and they'll need to boost themselves if they actually want to compete with other vampires and Lord Tremere essentially went "find me an antedeluvian, anybody will do". And they found Saulot.
>>724644034>>724643905Hitler was a mage in this setting iirc
Reminder that if you play the game patched you didn't beat the game.
>>724643948tldr mage boils down to>you play as a human who is aware reality is just a product of the unconscious masses>you get an avatar (basically a jojo stand) to help you understand your perspective and magic>gameplay is you try to learn more about your condition and the reality schizoid war you're about to get drafted into>revolves around a lot of discussion with the DM and the group that you can do [X thing] at your allotted amount of sphere pips without reality deciding you're going to have a bad dayApparently Magic Revised has somewhat more coherent rulings on how real magic works, and players can basically prepare spells in advance that don't make their brains explode>tldr everyone in the party is a Psyker but kicked up to 11>everything at the DM's discretion because lol rules are for the less nerdy
>>724645665IIRC, Hitler is one historical figure that famously isn't anything. Just a random human that started some serious shit. That's why all the supernaturals were so unprepared for WW2. Because in a setting where every historical event is an effect of one supernatural conspiracy or the other, WW2 just happened on its own without any supernatural intervention.
>>724613098>Ignore your lying eyes, please!Nah.
>>724644495>>724644759Norfolk Wizard game is quite good though it's a slow update and some anons may find it cringe
>>724645970>Hitler was just peak HumanSurprised they didn't make him an imbued who thought all jews were possessed by demons
>>724646063>possessed by
>>724646173Good point
>>724645652>And then they used the Tzimisce blood to turn themselves into vampires.I don't think so. They made themselves vampires through an unknown formula goratrix created. I can't recall it ever being stated to be Tzimisce bloodThe enmity between both clans started because usurpation was seen as hideously heretical to the Tzimisce, plus the whole gargoyle shit
>>724644246>so where's the moon bases and Mars colonies in WoD?In the hands of Technocracy, of course. Together with orbital death lasers.
>>724613098didn't buy the game but downlaoded it, it should not have been called bloodlines 2, it shoudl have been called like Vampire the Masque: Seatle
>>724646341As far as I remember, the Rite of Usurpation involved some Tzimisce embracing a number of Tremere mages as a base, with Gortiatrix going from there.
>>724646341Shitmissy and a few others. They weren't embraced, they found a way to transfer the original curse, hence why they didn't inherit a clan curse. It's transubstantiation.
>>724646315Same mistake Hitler made. All he did was release them up the chimney and they started possessing a very similar number of people in Western institutions, barely missing a beat.
https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/world-of-darkness/business/world-of-darkness-unboundGood news! Now you can put your money where your mouth is and show everybody how to make a good VTM game!
>>724647440the situation is that bad uh?
>>724647440Don't think they're doing this anymore
>>724647440>only V5Fuck off. But if Paradox wants to read my V20 campaign set in 90's Poland I'll be happy to share.
>>724647440My biggest issue with this was always>you pay Paradox 32% for basically nothing>you need to follow V5 lore>you can only post to itch.io (no steam)You might as well just make your own ripoff game.
>>724647803Making your own ripoff might just be straight up better, I wonder how the CYOA games are allowed to post on steam though I guess it's a more official partnershipAnyway>must follow V5Hate it when Wizards mandates every DnD game to be 5e, hate it when Paradox does it too
>>724647282Never ask an imbued to consider a nuanced approach to problem solving
>>724647803>>you can only post to itch.io (no steam)This is more about preventing people from diluting the IP with a bunch of garbage then an actual rule. If you make something good then I'm sure Paradox would be willing to work with you to get it on Steam.
>>724647909>Making your own ripoff might just be straight up betterFor videogames, probably. For a start, all those inaccessible locations? Invitation, running water, and crucifix rules are in play. Now there's a reason you can't go there beyond "yeah we're not spending 20 years modelling interiors".
>>724648073Coomer games are an absolute blight.
>>724648073>This is more about preventing people from diluting the IP with a bunch of garbageYeah they're doing a good enough job of that by themselves, they don't need any competition
Can anyone explain how a grand strategy/RTS company like Paradox ended up owning a bunch of table top RPGs in the first place?
>>724647440Need my comfy isometric crpg vampire game with vamps politics and scheming
>>724648095Speaking of invitations, one thing I have to applaud V5 for is the change of the Tzimisce weakness. It went from "you have to sleep with a pouch of dirt from your homeland" that is most of the time a nothingburger, to "you can't enter someone's domain/house without invitation, because lorewise, Tzimisce are this autistic about hospitality". Which is actually a very clever weakness. I liked it so much I nicked it for my V20 games.
>>724648275Well, WW was selling. That's really all there is to it.
>>724648385Why buy it though? Was it just incredibly cheap or..?
>>724623638>Elder vampire who's been around for hundreds of years>Goes into Torpor and completely misses the invention of phones, modern cars, computers, widespread electricity, modern guns, skyscrapers>Wakes up, chooses literally the first words he sees on a wall like some sort of fucking toddler despite not knowing what the fuck he's looking at>Decides not to use original name for arbitrary reason despite having been around during America and knowing it's full of immigrants from everywhere>After waking up is completely disinterested in all these insane new leaps in technology and adjusts immediately, instead only cares about who runs Seattle, this place he's never heard of>Remembers that he's actually called the Nomad, but will keep telling people this retarded new name that he, as an English speaker, must recognize as the equivalent of calling himself Whynd, Waetor or UrthTldr the answer is shitty writing by faggot devs
>>724648275The grand strategy dev is a separate company. The publisher with the same name publishes loads of things. Especially since they went public and have to follow the infinite growth meme
>>724648307They're making one right now but it's in dev hell
>>724648325It's Le Vampire Classique and it's frankly fucking retarded White Wolf got rid of it.
>>724648413Relatively cheap. Apparently they spent 10s of millions of Krona on it and 10 million Krona at the time was about $1.2 million. So somewhere in the realm of $2.4 to $12 million USD.https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/paradox-white-wolf
>>724648506I thought the coffin got moved to America not that he entered in Torpor in America
>>724648506It's blatantly obvious that the stupid writers thought the name was cool and hip but saw the immense mockery of it on the Internet and backtracked hard
>>724648736Holy shit, I actually know people that could've bought it
>>724648712Well White Wolf wanted Vampires but not really "Vampires" so they probably didn't want anything too cliche. I think the old one was interesting enough considering it's actually a sizeable weakness for an antagonist clan/faction, but the new one is much more engaging overall
>>724648568Even then, if you look through their catalog VTMB2 sticks out quite a bit. I don't see the strategy there especially considering it has been 10 years since they bought them.https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/our-games/all-games?amount=60
>>724648795Calling the character Nomad like B1 called you Fledgling would have been fine, but no we need to have VamPhyre
>>724648947I appreciate that the Phyre thing was meant to be kind of cringe even in the game because you steal it from a shit metal band poster.
>>724648506The game is dumb, however>Decides not to use original name for arbitrary reason despite having been around during America and knowing it's full of immigrants from everywhereWho says his other names are any better. He says he has many names. >After waking up is completely disinterested in all these insane new leaps in technology and adjusts immediately, instead only cares about who runs Seattle, this place he's never heard ofYeah why would he care about new doodads more than about not making enemies for no reason? He knows he should introduce himself to the prince of the domain.
The only good thing about VTMB2 has been the comfy VTM threads on /v/. They've always been there but these feel more frequent.
>>724649194It feels nice to gather around with friends and shit all over the latest entry.
>>724648506>misses the invention of phonesHardly, and "telegraph with voice" as an idea had been around for decades. Not that amazing.>modern cars4 wheels, engine, don't walk in front of it. Again, nothing amazing.>computersTelegraph with retards.>widespread electricityMost cities were getting on that by 1900, vamps are urban scum.>modern gunsNot much has really changed aside from plastic.>skyscrapersIt's just a tall building. You might not have seen many in the 1920s but you'd know what it was.The name thing is retarded but then again he woke up retarded. America wasn't yet full of fucking immigrants either, and they just about still knew their place.
>>724649194wod is a fascinating setting, despite the bad management and insuferable types it attracts, it's still so interesting to talk a obut
>>724648947Hello, neonate.
>>724649374Nigger modern day people are still impressed by the fucking pyramids and that's just a bunch of stones stacked ontop of each other.You're kidding yourself if you think a modern city wouldn't be impressive AF to a time traveler.
>>724649103>new doodadsAnon it's not new doodads, it's a fundamental change on how th world works and the myriad of ways this changed the balance and game of power.One of the recurring elements of the TTs is how the old vamps are so old that they don't perceive the passage of time and are often lost in the sea of rapid change, choosing to stick the old ways and tech that they know but engendering new vamps to take care of the leg work and the new social and technological challenges for them.
>>724614212Is that the one where smiling Jack dies?
>>724649374Realistically a vampire coming out of torpor would be caught by all the cellphone cameras and CCTV around and wouldn't even understand why.
>>724649643Yes.He gets better.
>>724649683Current year vampires would not survive undiscovered unless they had people on the inside to remove footage anyway, so the local court or anarchs would just handle that.
where is deb? what happened to deb? who is bet and why is she stealing deb's thing? deb??
What do we think of Vampire the Requiem?
>>724649541>peopleThere's your problem. Vampires that go around being impressed by things that aren't blood or power probably don't last long.>>724649562>fundamental change on how th world works and the myriad of ways this changed the balance and game of powerNot on a local level. It's the same old thing but faster and further, that's all. Also you literally can't be a Nosferatu and that's their department.>>724649683Well, the box opening was literally set up by a vampire and the shutterbug issue is one of the first things the voice in the head brings up.Shit, with AI image generation you'd be a fool if you believe that guy is *really* pegging it down the middle of the road at 60mph.
>>724649942OG actress is probably too expensive to hire now because she has been on a bunch of tv shows.But realistically it has been like 20 years. What radio show lasts that long especially with the conceit that the host is a sexy woman?
>>724650178I'm personally not a fan.While it has a lot of merits for doing its own thing, the recycled terms always felt confusing to me in an emotional sense. Like, reading Gangrel and they're a similar but different thing just gives me a weird feeling of unsympathetic similarity.I have nothing against it, it's just not VtM and I like VtM
>>724650178Not my thing personally, but it does have some clever ideas. I am just too much of the Masquerade autist to fully appreciate it.But I recognize it's a me problem and not the game's problem.
>>724613098Can you punch niggers in this game? If so I will consider pirating it
>>724650178I don't.
>>724650291>in comes the Toreador>has an interesting discussion about the Chang Dynasty>proceeds to hyperfixate the next year
>>724650471
>>724650291>Not on a local level.What? In all levels. The local specially. Information gets passed around instantly. Transportation nearly that. Also everyone can be equalized in deadliness.>It's the same old thing but faster and further, that's all.This is a statement with a level of ignorance comparable to "the Internet will never amount to nothing"
>>724650471Better than that anon, you can suck off as many gay niggers as you like.
>>724649442Indeed it is, shame it's so unexplored compared to contemporaries like CoC or DnD despite most DnD and CoC slop being mediocre
>>724650291anon there's a whole fucking clan whose whole thing is beauty, vampires are absolutely about more than blood and power in vtm
>>724613098>and also the Fabien segmentsShills need to understand that this kind of relentless and unabashed shilling just makes me dislike the game more and make me not even want to talk about the things I actually liked about it because I don't want them to be taken out of context to imply that the game is better than it is.
>>724650648>Information gets passed around instantlyAssuming that whoever knows it wants to spread it around. So, not much difference for the vampires then.>everyone can be equalized in deadlinesslol guns.
>>724650742>there's a whole fucking clan whose whole thing is beautyYeah, and they're kind of useless fags who don't amount to much.
>>724650821>Assuming that whoever knows it wants to spread it around. So, not much difference for the vampires then.Except that it's completely different>lol gunsYes anon, guns. Very deadly, very common
>>724650880Secondary casual detectedToreador probably have the second largest number of prices behind Ventrue.Shit, even in VtMB one of the most powerful local figured us a Torie
>>724650880Fuck you.
>>724650981>Except that it's completely differentWhat, you think they're on Facebook and LinkedIn?>>724650981>guns. Very deadlylmao>very commonAnon you know you could mail order a tommy gun or BAR right to your front door in the 1920s right?>>724651046>>724651125Useless fags who don't amount to much detected.
>>724651218Yes, guns. Want to see what .50 cal to the face does to a vampire?
>>724651125>this is supposed to be Victoria AshI get that nobody wants to give her a Canon look but isn't she supposed to look slightly asian?Well, it's better than what Swansong did to her
>tfw no goth Lasombra gf who would betray you for power
>>724651218>What, you think they're on Facebook and LinkedIn?Anon, you can't be this retarded.>Anon you know you could mail order a tommy gun or BAR right to your front door in the 1920s right?No you couldn't>Useless fags who don't amount to much detected.Lmao, seethe secondary
>>724651343So, that's this 11/10 head-turning beauty I keep hearing so much about.
>>724651375the fuck is with lasombra and religious imagery?yes, I know they had this as a minor gimmick back in older editions, but v5 really overdoes this to the point you'd think their clan weakness is that they have to be near crosses.
>>724651442>No you couldn'tYes, you literally could.
>>72465137512 year old boy hips
>>724651650Might just be a part of their visual cues like Tremere and their glasses etc
>Replaying Bloodlines 1>It's actually small as fuckGod damn man, honestly there's barely any content.
>>724624914Oh yeah, just like Bioshock Infinite and Deus Ex HR and MD are "hidden gems"You flaming faggot lmao>But if you are trying to like it, there's a lot of cool stuff too.You and *some* game journos are the only people enjoying this AAA garbage story RPG. And the reason why even only some game journos will pretend to like it, is because it's not even a good entry into this lazy genre of walking and talking and using abilities or gadgets that barely fucking matter. Even these boring people who suck at videogames are getting bored.>>724625324I hope you're not the same anon, because if you can say this about VTMB, then the entirety of "2" is not fun mechanically.
>>724652217It always was light on content. It just has great writing and characters that kept it popular
>>724629390>>724639650>>724639859Fucking baffles me why Draw Distance changed the art and soundtrack direction so fucking drastically after Shadows.
>>724652641Budget cuts, what else.
>>724652441Even with all the unofficial patch additions it's just so light with it and essentially becomes a mediocre combat game at around Chinatown when all the sidequests are gone.
>>724652693That's why CQM is so fun. It actually gives you a whole new midgame act to fuck around in.
>>724652217I prefer a dense smaller game than bloat.
>>724652765Huh, never tried it, what's in it?
There's more gameplay depth in the beach house in VTMB than in the entirety of VTMB2.
>>724625312>Tim Seely>Tini HowardNo Skip this shit
>>724652428>the entirety of "2" is not fun mechanicallyroflstomping everything with shadow step and blood salvo makes it less painful.
>>724648307>Paradox actually bought a company specialised in developing isometric crpgs >pissed away their potential on a bullshit new IP gamble>mfw no prospect ever of the WoD equivalent of the Shadowrun Returns trilogy
>>724652885Sabbat. Whole lotta Sabbat.And it's fun to see the whole plot of the game going completely off the rails if you actually decide to join them.
>>724652217You miss like 75% of the game if you're not doing side quests.
>>724653160victoria a cute
https://youtu.be/TAnFXdBGTNc
>>724653419yikes, thank god VTMB2 doesn't let you abuse women like that
>>724653254It's funny how nobody ever picks Victoria as their pack leader, if only because the other option is Hazel Tomes and, well, he's fucking Hazel Tomes.
>>724653539Yeah but on the plus side you can abuse Seattle's realistically huge population of ethnically diverse rent boys in more direct ways.
Why didn't you save her
>>724654306Because Phyre is an idiot and this game is not a cRPG.
>>724649562>TTs is how the old vamps are so old that they don't perceive the passage of time and are often lost in the sea of rapid change, choosing to stick the old ways and tech that they know but engendering new vamps to take care of the leg work and the new social and technological challenges for them.yeah I was representing that perspective. From the Nomad's perspective, who is in charge of the local camerilla is more important than a bunch of shiny and blinky stuff
>>724653149They owned Cyanide too and asked them to make an action game instead of a stealth or rpg
>>724654306Because there are way to many ethnics and the population needs to be culled.
>>724654510Nah, you know for sure Elder's would get hooked on the instant dopamine machine that is a smart phone. They'll be coffinrotting in no time
>>724651954Prove it
>>724646535I know about the orbital death lasers, it saved everybody's ass when Ravnos awoke.
>>724647740Paradox may not want to but we do
>>724655117I can imagine some junior technocrat in the NWO or Syndicate daydreaming about how to hijack vampire psychology the same way they do to mortals with social media
>>724655781>asian vampire hunter level but (you) are strapped to a chair and the guy is just gives you a phone full of videos of pretty people getting bitten and weird snuff/exsanguination ticktocks
>>724656027Technocrats could make that work, they just plug you into a vitae milking machine while you're distracted by secondhand feeding
>>724623638It's pretty funny scene in the game, you're in a cinematic view point when The Nomad is asked for a name and when you return to first person perspective the first thing you see is a poster on a wall for a band called also called Phyre.
