Why is this board so obsessed with OoT? It's not even that good by today's standards. It's the biggest case of nostalgia goggles I've ever seen.
you had to be there
It's just uncs having their mid life crisis and holding onto anything from their childhood even if it was a janky mess.
>>724613360It's a better game than almost everything I see on the catalogue list.Today's standards actually make this game look even better, no micro transaction, no needless padding, no over bloated loot system, no social engineering dopamine chaser. This is a clean, pure fucking game.
>>724613360its about growing up. one day you'll understand
It's an 8/10 by modern standards. Some of the puzzles and world design show their age in a rudimentary sense, but by and large a good game design foundation holds water over the years and OoT still holds as a whole. Pacing's good, dungeons are good, combat shockingly holds up given its age, and the semi hands-off approach to the adult portion of the game if you really seek it out gives the game a tasteful degree of flexibility. Yeah, it's good.
>>724613360It's the Thriller of video games, even down to fans believing that it's not even the best in it's series.
>makes an entire thread dedicated to OoT>asks why everyone else is obsessed with itHappy Halloween
>>724613360I never got to play it as a kid. Don't really care about Nintendo shit either (only other Zelda I played was Windwaker.) I played it for the first time a few years ago and it was really good.
>>724613360You weren't born in 1990 like 99% of this board
>>724613360And let me guess. You're that BotW faggot from the other thread who's upset that OoT gets more threads than BotW does. Ignore the fact that MM, WW, TP, all get more threads than BotW. It's OoT specifically that you can't stand.
>>724613905i grew up with the game but i often think if a kid were to play it now they probably wouldn't get to much out of it. it's a bit like playing civ 2 instead of a newer one
>>724613360OoTsnoys seething their game is forever forgotten and irrelevant after BoTW/ToTK set the new golden standard for The Legend of Zelda
>>724613360>he thinks standards have improved over time
>>724613360I didnt play it until last year and it became by FAR my favorite game in the series and one of my favorite games in general. in fact I usually get bored with zelda games and dont finish them but I had a great time with it start to finish. its a superbly well put together game. the dungeons in particular are a lot better than the rest of the series and theres a lot of them. and Ive played all of the zeldas now except zelda 2, majoras and botw/totk.
>>72461402470% of every best game list in history has been won by OOT
I miss when /v/ spent a week playing the rando multiplayer when that came out. But that only lasted another few weeks after being pushed to /vm/Did Ship of Harkinian ever properly adapt the multirando with custom models and everything?
Because its a classic. Next question.
>>724614245Yeah, I miss it too and Ship has multirando with a few model swap mods. Nobody ever hosted a game of it though.
>>724613360because you are addicted to >(You)s and you know baiting OoT is an easy >(You) mine
>>724614148Play Majora's mask, it's the same team and same devs just making more of, but different OOT.
>>724613360While that may all be true, it is also equally true that BOTW/TOTK was mediocre and less memorable in comparison. I don't deny the nostalgia goggles, it was apart of most millennial childhoods in some way or another. Even if you didn't have a Nintendo console there's no way you didn't walk into an Electronics Boutique or EB Games store (or whatever your retailer was) and play it in an in store booth. Everybody experienced it and it set some standard for action adventure games back at that time. Whether we've all played better games since then is a different story, but it wasn't BOTW.
>>724613360It's a great game.
Over half of the zelda threads on this board are just bait.Especially obvious when you can watch the catalog and see multiple zelda threads made in succession.
>>724613360im not an unc and i think its good. it has aura.
>>724613360>why is everyone obsessed with one of the greatest video games of all time, both by critics and playersI DON'T KNOW YOU TELL ME
You had to be there when it happened.Like 1999.
>>724613360>>724613414it was there for them more than their parents were.
>>724613506you're just a brainrotted shitposter. buzzwords and virtue signalling, thats all you have. you dont play games. /v/ isnt even real. you could easily go out and find "clean, pure games" made recently. its not hard. you're just a shitposting faggot who's life is so burnt out and empty that he's perpetually on 4chan. you contribute nothing of value, and your "opinion" is utterly worthless.
>>724613634its primitive slop, and the combat is one of the weakest parts.
>>724614149zealotry for what your favorite game is doesnt change the objective quality of it. it aged like milk in reality.
Today standards lolModern games have no substanceOnly major problem of that game imo is the boss design They aren't dynamic and are far too easy
>>724617117>>724613414>>724616969>Gently point out how bad the modern game industry is>Shitposting zoomer immediately breaks ironic character to have a histrionic, feminine screaming fitlol
>>724613360Adventure! And cute kids
Recomp when
>>724613360Wrong. I didn't play OoT until I was 15 and it was 2006, and it was on the gamecube.It is the greatest vidya gaem of all time.
>>724613813The broken pot is a nice touch
>>724613360It's the only game worth mentioning for N64 even though MM was better in every way.
>>724618673Upvoted, fellow redditbro :)
No other group of vidyafags are as delusional as zeldafags. They'd make you believe their shitty little game influenced everything under the sun and gaming wouldn't even exist without zelda.
>>724620909seriously. not to mention that every single aspect of the game is improved upon or refined by some game or other that has come out since then. its a primitive relic of the past for the 3d medium. >but not other game does ALL of the things at the same time! its the complete packagebut why is oot the benchmark? plenty of games do things that oot doesnt do, why arent they the benchmark for what "the complete package" is? it just a retarded, arbitrary decision, solely because its their favorite game. blind zealotry and willful ignorance. nothing less.
>janky>aged poorlyThese arguments are silly, I played it for the first time like 7 years ago and thought it played perfectly fine. Are zoomers really that bad at games made for children?
>>724617117Why do you hate a near 30 year old game so much?
>>724621657im just tired of the mass delusion and blind zealotry of its endless praise. im tired of the dishonest and disingenuous "discussion" about it. im tired of the cognitive dissonance. i dont care if its your favorite game. by all means like it and enjoy it. thats not the problem. its the retarded claims like "10/10 flawless, timeless masterpiece. best game ever made." and the people that GENUINELY believe it to be true. it doesnt matter how groundbreaking and novel it was at the time. standards have changed and it has been outclassed. it aged like milk. the musket and ford model T were cutting edge at the time, and they've been outclassed since then too. grow up.
>>724617894it's funny that they lack the temprament or willpower to even commit to their act. Check this one out >>724617117He cries about buzzwords... while spamming buzzwords LMAOzoomers may as well be a lesser species of animal>>724621885games don't age ya pinhead
>>724613360I don't think it's "the greatest game of all time" like OOT fans used to sayBut all things considered it *is* one of the *better* games ever made.
>>724622526because standards evolve, they actually do age. its all relative. some hold up better than others, but it greatly depends on the objectives and medium. oot aged very poorly.
>>724617276>your game is forgotten>no it isn't, it's one of the most famous games ever>w-well that doesn't mean anythingwhy did you bring it up then you fucking idiot kek
>>724617894>gentlyyou faggots are anything but gentle about this. you are actually extremely obnoxious
>>724613634>>724621885what do you guys consider an actual 10/10 similar to zelda?
>not even good by today's standards.Explain. The graphics not aging well in your eyes is not a reason. From a gameplay and design perspective, how is it worse in any way to modern games? I'm genuinely interested in what younger people think here.
>>724623165>the graphicsthis doesn't even work when low poly has become its own aesthetic and some people go for that shit
>>724622810i didnt. you're referencing a different anon that said something even dumber than praise for oot: the denial that zealots even exist. of course it isnt forgotten.
Should I reply to thread started by a (You) farmer pretending to be a zoomer?I will. No one under 30 gives half a fuck about OOT, they know about it like you or I know about the Magnavox Odyssey. Secondhand storytelling about a thing before their time. Making judgement calls based on something someone else said, regurgitating old opinions.If you played OOT with a big ass N64 controller in your hands, you don't really need to argue how amazing it was, you know. We all know. Nothing touched OOT for years. There wasn't even 3D action-adventure game competition. Nothing with an open, explorable world like that. Only Majora's Mask and that was more or less a sequel.
>>724613360because zoomers who larp on this board as millenials didn't have an ounce of brain back then and thought the game was good, and now they are too brainfucked to think ANYTHING is ever good, but they aren't self aware to understand that it's a their issue, not industry. So they latch onto the last happy memories they had.
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>>724623165emptytime wasting cutscenestime wasting text boxes (heres how to use bombs for the 20th time)text speed and skippable textcombat is non-threateningmany combat moves inefficient or unnecessaryenemy ai is extremely poorpuzzles are literally baby-tiertedious, sluggish, and clunky item management. it doesnt even utilize the controller well. camera controlls have GREATLY improved since then.aiminglow poly or not, its fucking hideoussound quality is pretty poor and has been greatly improved upon since then. while the music melodies are good, the execution is pretty shitty. the horns sound like farting through a flat kazoo. and thats just off the top of my head. im sure i could find more if i looked for it.
>>724623165let's fucking go shall we>mechanics never introduced like spiderweb breaking under weight>padding like buying new pouches>brainless buttonmash combat>no 3d camera>shitty fps camera>botched progression clearly signifying game being remade mid development, like needing to return to saria right after leaving>more non linear puzzle in the water temple being introduced after the entire game being linear puzzles aka asinine spike in difficulty you wouldn't even realize exists till you get stuck>reatrded bottle as reward system>retarded overreliance on nonsensical irrelevant npcs for main progression that only existed in point and click questsGimme a minute i'll come up with 50 more obviosuly dated things about OOT.
>>724623787okay not 50 anymore, this anon got me covered. Based and progresspilled.
>>724623854More like give him a minute to pick 50 more things to cherry pick that are completely wrong anyway.
>>724613360play ship of harkinian or the 3ds version and quit bitching it's still a 10/10
>>724623854Half those things exist in modern games, and the other half are just cherrypicking.
>>724621885>standards have changed Citizen Kane has been outclassed by Avengers: Infinity War>it aged like milk, where are all the big explosions and flying men punching robots then spouting quippy one-liners?>it has simply been outclassed, grow up
>>724623957even when those things exists, it's usually not a focus of the game. Or they have something else done INSANELY well covering for it. Now hod does OOT cover for it's shit gameplay? With it's Witcher/Planescape/NewVegas/Automata level story?
>>724624067citizen kane is outclassed easily by other detectives, even low budget lol. Fucking soviet movies outclass citizen kane. Yes, it created the modern cinematic language. It didn't reach the peak of it's usage tho.
>>724623854Some of these are kind of reaching. Weight mechanics... really? Oh wait there actually was a web you jumped from a height into so that point is moot already. Or if you mean it wasn't explained, jumping off was literally all you could do. This is why modern gamers are made fun of for needing their hands held for everything.Item upgrades are standard even in today's games.It wasn't button mash combat, it was reflex combat. Generally you had to figure out whether to block/avoid and the right time to strike. It wasn't overly difficult but what Zelda is?Camera issues were a thing in early 3D gaming, but OOT did actually mostly fix the problem Mario 64 introduces with a simple solution, press Z to snap the camera behind Link. It was effective and made the game perfectly playable. Yes it could be improved on, and was. Z button snap remains in Zelda to this day though which is a testament to how good an addition it was.Backtracking is a foreign concept for modern gaming, but Zelda has always been about exploration. Yes going back to Saria so early was a weird thing, and she probably should have just taught you the song as you left the Forest, but that would add to your cutscene problem.Zelda can have many types of dungeons, it doesn't matter if some are linear and some aren't. You're supposed to be exploring ancient ruins. You make the same complaints about dungeons being too similar in modern Zelda.Not sure what you're referring to with the bottles.Pointless NPC's are a thing today, and are a much bigger issue than they were in OOT.Honestly this argument will go on forever. Most your issues are with the game's technological stage or a perception the problems no longer exist in modern gaming when they do. We just go round in circles arguing the same points.
>>724613360>Why is this board so obsessed with the model T Ford? It's not even that good by today's standards. It's the biggest case of nostalgia goggles I've ever seen.
>>724613360It is that good even by todays standards, actually. The only aspect that has aged is the lack of a second stick to move the camera.
>>724623045Majora's mask.
>>724623957>Half those things exist in modern gamesnot an argument. yes, there are still bad games made, but there are plenty of good ones too. its not that the problem "vanished", but that we have clearly seen that it can be fixed.
>>724624067even if the script is good, you cant deny that modern film making is vastly superior to 1941's.
I really loved the combat, especially against mini-bosses. It's so much fun baiting out attacks, back stepping just out of range, and then countering with a thrust.
>>724624476>game teaches you to burn webs>game blocks you with a web>it looks possible to bring the fire to it if you move just perfectlyAm I retarded for listening to the game? What's worse is that you need to hit a super specific spot in the web for it to break.>Bottles Are a fundammentally dumb extremely immersion breaking mechanic. You literally have sellers who don't sell you shit cause you don't have bottles.
>>724624476Returning to saria when you do makes more sense when you remember that people werent following a guide through this game back then, kids liked to explore. It's reasonable to expect that between leaving saria and having to return you may have decided to explore the ranch, lake hylia, hyrule field and around the gerudo valley bridge.Modern gamer only go to current objective and wait for instructions for next current objective
>>724624476>it was reflex combat.lmao, oot's combat requires no reflexes whatsoever. what a fucking joke>camerasaying "well its better than it was in a previous game" is not an argument. you're desperately coping and trying to cover up your admission that it has been greatly improved upon since then.>Backtracking is a foreign concept for modern gamingno it isnt.
>>724624670Only in production values. Everything except the skin deep visual quality is worse. And I do mean skin deep, as shit like framing and style and actual aesthetics are worse.
>>724624776Here's my argument. You sound like a faggot.
>>724613360It's the greatest game ever made, that's why. The reason you think it's "not that good by today's standards" is because this was the game that defined what every future 3D action adventure game would look like. Every time you're playing those modern games, remember to thank OoT.
>>724624776>lmao, oot's combat requires no reflexes whatsoever. what a fucking jokeThis is why nobody is taking your dumb shit seriously. Those wolfos that you like to mash on can be one shot if you just pay attention and watch for them to swing.
>>724624796>i have shit taste and zero brains on the subjectyes, it was already evident when you championed for oot. letting us know that your deficiencies extend to other areas was very brave of you.
>>724624851I agree with >>724624816. You sound like a faggot.
>>724624851He's clearly baiting guys. Even the most diehard marvel slop fans don't think its actual high art
>>724621381i would be embarrassed to post this if i called myself a "gamer". imagine being this obliviously ignorant about a medium you supposedly like.
It's really just reddit soilennial tourists forcing it like everywhere else, in its heyday /v/ mocked OoT for being casual console trash There have been so many invasions since that /v/ lost all its identity and is basically no different than reddit now, fucking Halo is talked about warmly these days
>>724624906if we can pretend kid slop of OOT is high art Avengers is fucking high art.
>>724624973>in its heyday /v/ mocked OoT for being casual console trashYou think someone would do that just go onto 4chan and tell blatant lies for attention
>>724623854jesus fucking christ anon that is a pathetic list of whining. there are legitimate complaints about oot but you managed to get absolutely none of them. i have never in my life seen a worse list of complaintsYou do not know anything about games or game design and should never attempt to discuss them again.
>>724624850items dont require reflexesblocking doesnt require reflexesyou have ample opportunity to take your turn and get hits in. the timing is not very tight at all. arguing that "wait... attack" is good and not an unengaging time waste, unironically proves arin hanson correct. "um actually, just use items! you dont have to wait" is usually the attempted counter argument against his point in the video that mind breaks you faggots so hard, but since nobody brought him up, you fell right into the truth of it: your primary weapon is bad and boring to use.give oot zealots enough time, and they'll contradict themselves just fine.
>>724625050Wait... attack is the same formula literally every action game uses. Every single one without exception. You wait for openings and attack.
>>724624776You're missing my point with the camera. Mario 64 introduced essentially the template for modern 3D gaming, and even then the camera being janky and getting stuck was a problem, and C-buttons weren't enough to always fix it. OOT came out and directly addressed that problem with a very effective solution with the Z-button snap. Yes no shit it was improved on further after that mostly with the introduction of a second stick, but my point is at the time, they did do something about it and even today Zelda and other modern games have the camera snap option because it was such a good addition to camera controls.It's not fair to shit on OOT because it lacks something that wasn't invented yet. Hell there are versions of the game that do have it anyway nowadays.
>>724624906nobody gives a fuck about avengers for this discussion. im talking about films in general. trying to steer it to avengers is just a pitiful cherry picked deflection. however, >>724624978 is exactly correct. dont be hypocrites.
>>724625006Why talk about something you weren't around for? /v/ used to be a heavily PC board whose favorite games were complex and required either reflexes or actual use of your brain, and had serious stories you could get immersed in, OoT was a braindead simple children's console game where every interaction was a context button and the story was a milquetoast Disney ripoff
>>724613360And what modern games do you actually think are better than Ocarina of Time?
>>724625157Concord.
>>724625050There are several item puzzles that require reflexes, one where you have to hook both up a waterfall quickly as an example. That is a bald faced lie.You don't have to block Wolfos, go play the game because you clearly do not even understand the enemy at all. Your "wait... attack" tactic won't even work because they won't even take a swing at you until you engage with them. There's no item required. Something you and Arin have in common at least is that you're both idiots talking out of your own asses.
>>724613886>missing Sonic the Hedgehog 2The Fuck? That's one of the best games ever made. I beat it recently on a Genesis my brother bought to test it out and it still as good as it was back in the day.
>>724625132This is a discussion about the game design and mechanics of OoT, not its artistic merit. Nobody is calling OoT high art. They were being compared on how influential they are to their respected mediums. He is the faggot that brought marvel into this to deflect and fish for more (you)s to begin with
>>724625189>hook both upHookshot up* fucking autocorrect.
>>724625050>using egoraptors dogshit wait to attack argumentlmao the bottom of the barrel has been reached
>>724623525You can play Ocarina of Time on the Switch unlike the Oddysey which was more like a toy you had to setup IRL. I played a lot of games from the NES era and I was born in the 90s.
>>724625213>Nobody is calling OoT high artI would. Game's a fucking masterpiece on multiple levels.
>>724625114except the enemy provides zero threat, while having full defense against your primary weapon. the only proactive option is to use items. otherwise you just stare at each other while nothing happens. not to mention how its shitty 1 on 1 fights, where if another one exists, it just hangs back doing extra nothing. other games let you be proactive. other games have the enemies actually engage you with attacks (and often with a variety of attacks). other games have them actually react to the player's actions, and in varying ways.
>>724625157>modern game better than OOTIt's actually really fucking easy. Cause even generic ol Horizon Zero Dawn has deeper combat, better story, better controls and better world design than poor OOT. Or a fucking Dark Souls game. Mw indie games have easily surpassed Zelda at making Zelda - Crosscode and Tunic and Unsighted are all clearly zeldalikes but are actually good games about something more than just generic kill the evil man save the princess.
>>724613360you had to be thereI was playing NES games at the time then I got a N64 and OoT and the leap in tech felt insanesome modern games like Elden Ring are better but they'll never be revolutionary like that
>>724625213>muh influenceAn underage person's argument, when you get older you realize influence is a shit metric since it's not merit based and influential things are overwhelmingly pushed onto everyone using moneyYou can do something revolutionary and have it not catch on because you're not popular enough or didn't have enough of a marketing budget, a bigger company than you with a more popular IP can repeat it years later and suddenly they're "influential"When you get older you see it happen again and again, influence is more of a measure of how many people want to hitch a ride on that big marketing budget rather than quality or merit
>>724625213>Nobody is calling OoT high artare you blind? just retarded? just trolling? lmao
>>724613360Kill yourself
>>724625407Based
>>724624973Bullshit. I been here since 2007 and OoT was seen as a classic even then. Back the the rivalry was between OoT and FF7
>>724625129>It's not fair to shit on OOT because it lacks something that wasn't invented yet.yes it is, lmao. thats literally what the point is. standards evolve and change. "it was the best we had at the time" is irrelevant. being apologetic is irrelevant. by all means, give its due praise and place in history, but claims like it is a perfect game with no flaws are absurd. claims that "no game compares" and then go "well no, not like that, thats not fair" when comparisons are made is laughably childish and retarded. kys.
>>724625340Majora's Mask is a much better candidate, though I'd say that isn't high art either, but it is art.Majoras Mask does a much better job with themes, tone, atmosphere, characters and unlike most "art" games it actually uses the game mechanics (time loop) to contribute to the story itself. OoT is just a lot more basic in these respects. It would be like calling Star Wars IV high art. It's great, but its commercial and relatively simple with not a whole lot to say. The game mechanics themselves don't contribute often to the artistic message. It's fair to call OoT a masterpiece, but not high art
>>724625380what a massive cope. i guess the entire world suffered from mass delusion except you, enlightened anon
>OOT is fairly easy>Modern games are even easierSad
>its bad to remember the good times
>>724625494>Back the the rivalry was between OoT and FF7lmao i remember that. funny how that argument completely disappeared and ff7 is nowhere near oot now that the dust has actually settled.
>>724625537Majora's mask is a giant improvement on OOT and actually holds up way closer to modern games than OOT ever did. It's fucking better than every other Zelda till BotW.
>>724625625MM's camera doesn't even function correctly.
>>724625614It's because people who like Sony, FF, and JRPGs got new games to focus on whereas Nintendo hasn't been relevant or innovative since so that's what their fans have to keep falling back to
>>724625518As I said before, this will just go in circles forever.
>>724613360In part because most "gamers" are unable to form their iwn opinions, especially for games older than 3 weeks, and need their favorite hecherino streamers to tell them what they like/ don't likeBut in reality, it was groundbreaking for the time, and set a gold standard for zelda games until nintendo went full normie with open world shitNever played the 3DS version of that or Star Fox 64, I still believe those should've been Wii U gamesinb4>dead system XDit simply would've gotten a even more polished port like most of the other Wii U games, so still would've been a net gain
>>724625605You see anon, OP is too young to remember good times because he wasn't alive back then. Thus he is quite jealous of those who were.
>>724625189>puzzlesthe claim was that combat was "reflex combat" or that it required reflexes. why the fuck are you talking about puzzles? i said that using items (in combat. you know, the actual topic it was in direct response to) doesnt require reflexes.>Your "wait... attack" tactic won't even work because they won't even take a swing at you until you engage with them.thank you for admitting that they dont engage you. you have to intentionally act and whiff, then block/dodge, then retaliate. bravo. truly a deep and threatening enemy.
>>724625571The entire world constantly suffering from mass delusion is the one thing we can be certain about, or are you religious, love MCU movies, Taylor Swift music, etc?
>>724625658Is that why you're still waiting on that remake to finish 10 years later?
>>724625537unless you can define high art in a way that would satisfy everyone (which is impossible) and include everything that would be universally agreed to be high art then this argument is pointless. If you do find a definition generic enough that can be agreed on by everyone, then oot will qualify, too, unless you for some reason add some exclusionary stipulation to the definition.i won't argue if something is or isn't "high art" before we define what that is first. You'll find that making that definition is harder than deciding what belongs to it.
>>724625691Like I said people who liked FF7 moved on because they had stuff to move on to, SE waited too long to roll the remake out
>>724625691No one who played FF7 when it came out is waiting on the demake. It's all zoomers who weren't even alive. It's not even the same genre for fucks sake. It's would be like if nintendo remade OOT but now it's an FPS. It would sell sure, but it's not aimed at the same audience.
>>724625518And going immediately on the aggressive stance, telling me to kill myself isn't childish?I'm trying to talk to you as a human being anon, not have a schoolyard fight.
>>724625670yes, simping for oot is just a circle jerk. thats the point. thank you for admitting it.
>>724613360You don't understand you weren't there.
>>724625605nobody said that. by all means, remember and cherish the good times. but dont pretend that the actual quality of the product holds up.
>>724625690>PLEASE LET ME CHANGE THE SUBJECTno. even if your argument is "everyone is suffering from mass delusion that is why the game is influential" then the game still is influential anyway. you think it's not "merit based" influence but oot meets the metric for that in every conceivable and objective way, whether its long lasting influence, critical acclaim, industry relevance, game designer/developer acclaim, etc. Pick any metric that is objective and universal and not just your opinion and the game qualifies.
>>724625732>FF7R during PS3 era would have significantly less modern tropes and sleazy corpo practices like it does today, and would've been more true of a remakeI'll never stop cursing cancer upon those responsible for current FF7R
>>724625656at least it has actual gameplay that functions properly. Broken camera is more forgiveable than constant start and stop with block puzzles bullshit. Tutorial of deku mask alone is more fun to play than entirely of ocarina
>>724625719High art to me is about the message or the feelings the story and themes of a piece are conveying. This disqualifies the vast majority of games because games are inherently made for commercial purposes and their stories are deliberately kept simple and unchallenging because the art aspect of the product is not the sole or even main focus.Slapping the term High art onto a game as a compliment about its mechanical design is misleading to do. You can say a good game like that is a masterpiece in game design specifically though. As you say this is still relatively nebulous so you could find exceptions or examples worthy of debate.
>>724625760>no substance or rebuttali accept your concession that you have nothing to contribute.
>>724625683The original argument, huh? So now you're wanting to move the goalpost back? If you're going to do that then at least commit to it because the original argument wasn't about using items regarding reflexes. >thank you for admitting that they dont engage you.Oh nevermind, we're still goalpost moving. Thank you for confirming that you have no idea how the enemy actually behaves.
>>724625658it's actually because ff7 is garbage
>>724625853FF7R in the PS3 era would have been a hallway like FF13. and would still be better than what we have now.
>>724625846I'm not changing the subject, I'm explaining how influence is a shit metric since religion is very influential and people are dumb as shit, which is obvious to anyone over 25You either have to be underage or easily influenced if you think influence is important
>>724625732>>724625753Predictable responses.
>>724625846"popularity" or "success" is not a substitute for quality under scrutiny, especially in regards to hindsight.
>>724625860>First fucking cycle is more fun than the entirety of OoTThis is why nobody takes MMfags seriously.
>>724625929>You either have to be underage or easily influenced if you think influence is importantthat is one of the most retarded things i have ever read anon, well done.
>>724625914Why did OoT 3D sell only 6M copies? Even a shit game like Borderlands 2 sold 30 million
>>724625904you have demonstrated that you lack literacy, or are just deliberately trolling by scrambling pieces in mismatched ways.
>>724625938Predictable because they are true. JRPG is a very wide genre, zelda style games are so rare that not even zelda is zelda anymore. Twilight princess was the last zelda to follow the formula for fucks sake. That's a gamecube game.
>>724625981>point at a dot>press>waitLiterally 90% of ocarina gameplay
>>724625989I guess you're both
>>724625947sure. so how do you want to measure quality under scrutiny? We have already gone over how players, critics, and game developers praised the game to hell and back, and how it because a gold standard for any 3d action adventure game going forward.Since those aren't enough, what is your metric?
>>724626057>appeal to popularity>appeal to authority>blatant lieDo you have any actual arguments or thoughts of your own?
>>724626009If you're going to call me illiterate then at least have the dignity not to goalpost move with every post you make. At least you're realizing how fucking stupid your posts have been and have given up on them so there's that. Try harder next time kid.
>>724613360It's a great game
>>724626003because borderlands is slop for casuals available on every platform compared to a portable console launch exclusive that was also a remake of a then 13 year old game that had already been re-released a bunch of times. glad i could help =)
>>724626094Nice dodge.
>>724626029Nigger waiting is 90% of MM's gameplay. What the fuck are you on?
>>724626184>it's because OoT is garbageThanks for admitting it
>>724626094>i don't accept any objective measurable metricsthat's fine. like i said, give me your metric
>>724626226>he thinks objective measurable metrics exist in a subjective mediumLike I said underage and easily influenced
>>724626224lmao imagine getting schooled and then coping like this. hell, imagine being a fucking salesfag. i would kys
>>724626057the fact that it has a myriad of flaws and how every single aspect of it has been improved upon. normal people can recognize this very quickly, but nostalgia-blind zealots arguing disingenuously cant comprehend such things as even being remotely possible. no, oot is "untouchable" on its high pedestal for them. and then, hilariously, even if they concede "ok, maybe it has some flaws. maybe its not THAT high up and unassailable" just to keep the conversation going, they ALWAYS try and spin it as "but other games still dont come close to reaching it".
>>724625923>hallway like...and?open world =/= better, it's just a normie meme
>>724613886I know this is just a barometer for the median age of the voters here and what games came out when they were 13, but some red flags in any case:>Super Mario World AND Mario Bros 1 above 3>Sonic Mania MIA. Sonic 3 on the list when the only way 3 is good is when its 3&K.>Fallout 2 above 1 AND no New Vegas, as if NV is just 2's formula with better writing and reactivity>FF6 above 7 is the biggest forced meme out of Millennials>Smash Melee - as if Ultimate doesn't mog it in every meaningful way. And Brawl being on the list at all lol>Token Stalker mention, but its SoC and not CoP>Pokemon Gold/Silver instead of HG/SS>Zero Mission on here but not Dread
>>724626272I got schooled.. by you admitting OoT is garbage that couldn't outsell fucking Borderlands 2 when competing in the modern market
>>724626269so you have nothing? alright, i accept your concession.
>>724626281Sure. But FF13 took it too far in the other direction. Part of what made the original fun was areas has at least a little exploration to them. It was mostly just side paths and the occasional side quest but it was better hidden than FF13.
>>724626317Well I assumed you'd deny objective reality so you could go back to your blind zealotry since you're so religious and easily influenced
>>724621885Yeah whatever sure, but, it’s a video game for children… and influence may not indicate quality but it paves the road for improvements, technological shit gets better on a technological level, naturally. The model T is still instrumental in pioneering the mass production of automobiles, but take the McLaren F1, a performance supercar from the early 1990s, it was once the fastest car in the world, and is still the fastest naturally aspirated car in the world. But it was made with a very autistic vision in which every part of the car was designed to make a race car that could also be comfortable, it mostly succeeded. Compared to supercars of today it definitely in many fields performance and practicality primarily, but surprisingly can still contend in others (handling in some cases, aesthetics, top speed in some cases, the actual experience of driving). But I can imagine the newer cars weren’t as intricately made as the F1. Basically what I’m saying is, regardless of the quality of something, i think people genuinely enjoy things more on a conceptual level, because it was forward thinking. The same likely applies to ocarina of time. And It’s the McLaren F1 of vidya (perhaps nowhere near as good as the F1 but you get it) and Zelda 1 is better in my opinion anyway, the game barely aged in my opinion. Maybe it’s because it was my first game so I have nostalgia bias, but I can play it now and still have a blast!>>724624670Citizen Kane is plebshit, but it’s still better than modern Hollywood, on account of its cinematography and script, production is once again another technological advancement and isn’t essential tomorrow a film maintaining its quality.
>>724626297Fallout 2 is objectively superior to 1 in nearly every regard.
>>724613360>It's not even that good by today's standards.It's actually excellent by today's standards. I wish modern action-adventure games would stop obsessing over open world checklist shit and focus on having level design and pacing a quarter as competent as OOT.
>>724626297sonic 3 is fine (and for the purposes of the poll, it might have included &k? i dont know though), but mania is 50% reused old stuff anyway.
guys I can barely read the thread because your autism replies keep going and going
>>724626297I actually like 3K over Mania. Mania is hyper focused on either infinite amount of fast loops or on searching for impossibly hidden big rings. in 3K there's more platforming and big rings are super easy to find.
>>724626420>MMfag is an attention seeking shitposter that hasn't played either gameWow, to the surprise of fucking nobody.
Hmmm idk OP I played it after botw and totk, I found it to be far more focused and “complete”. With an ambiance that no subsequent Zelda could replicate, except maybe Majora’s Mask. If you like good level design and gimmicks that don’t get hackneyed quickly then you’re in for a great time, even if it’s not the best game ever which is CHADow of the Colossus btw.
>>724626403To this day it baffles me why we don't even have indieslop games trying to make zelda clones. It's a simple formula and yet it's basically dead.
>>724626386Fallout 2 is a pile of mashed potatoes to Fallout 1's single perfectly cooked and seasoned potato wedge. Volume as substitution for refinement of the experience.Great if all you value in an RPG is chasing the content meme.
>>724626524i found totk to be the first complete ganondorf game. Fucking sages creating a rainbow bridge? FR? Botw was good but shat the ending.
>>724622526>games don't age ya pinheadThey do if their main quality was novelty at the time
>>724626549again, Crosscode and Unsighted and indie Zelda.
>>724626560The only aspect of 2 I can see as weaker is maybe parts of the writing and definitely the opening sequence. Aside from that it's the same system polished and expanded.
>>724626623Wait until you find out what they did in ALttP.
>>724626668I'm looking for more 3d zelda clones rather than 2d ones. Like don't get me wrong 2d style zelda clones are fine but I want that OOT/WW/MM/TP style of gameplay.
>>724613360Best game of all time.Zoomers lost.Snoys lost.Soulsfags lost.
I played most Zeldas multiple times and could barely stomach BotW and TotK ubislop one time. There's all there is to it.
>>724626681Its content for the sake of content. Its great in the sense that its MORE Fallout, but think about the dungeons and the sorts of meaningful interactions in the game. I'll give it that you get some peak reactivity toward the end at least - no two playthroughs ever have the same wasteland by the time you're done, between how you handle New Reno and connected towns especially. But FO1 is a hyper focused experience in contrast. More micro-level player choice. I'll call it preference, though. I don't think you're dumb or wrong for disagreeing.HOWEVER. FO:NV did objectively do 2's formula, but better. Not even my favorite CRPG but I don't see how anyone could argue NV has less agency or reactivity.
>>724626756I don't actually remember despite beating it. I remember the 3 princesses doing...something? Only memorable moments of ALTTP were the boss pretending to be a princess and link turning into a bunny.
Given that it’s Halloween, I might just replay the shadow temple on the PC port, verily spooky and comfy indeed!Sorry you zoomers can’t enjoy it though, ADHD perhaps?
>>724626932They make a staircase to Ganon's tower.
>>724626769carter's quest and some other game i can't recall now
>>724626862I love NV but I can't really compare it to the classic fallouts. It's just not the same genre. I'd sooner compare it to something like morrowind or even might and magic.
>>724626962I can't believe anyone threats those games seriously when games themselves don't. I guess that why I love nu-zelda. It actually treats itself seriously.
>>724626769Probably because 3D Zelda games are too time-consuming and difficult to make. I think they're usually Nintendo's most expensive games to develop. The whole low-poly/N64 aesthetic indie fad is somewhat recent, so maybe give it time.
>>724627041Yeah, crossdressing is very serious business.
>>724626349Even if it was like ffx with a overworld (not the same as open world for the zoomies itt), I'd consider that to be a100% good thing
>>724626983The overarching genre is definitely the same. You're just being blinded by the perspective shift. NV might LOOK like a dungeon crawler but it really is the furthest thing from in actual construction. NV has the classic "hitchhiker going town to town solving local multiple choice problems" formula that CRPGs carved for themselves and fewer actual dungeon crawls than 2.You can absolutely compare 2 and NV by the way they set up modular problem hubs, how attached hubs react to which problems you solve and how, etc. You don't know how bad I wish Bethesda had taken TES down that path instead of "collect quest for dungeon, do the dungeon to get the thing, collect reward, repeat" formula.
>>724626384i literally said that liking it isnt the problem. wtf is with you illiterate retards?
young link. what a semen demon
>>724627187Can you not read, moron? I’m essentially saying that people are conflating “most influential” with “greatest”.
>>724627221She is very lewd.
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>>724627380>genderswap>fatgrim
>>724627261can you not read, moron? they absolutely are saying "greatest" in earnest. being so influential is "just one the many reasons" that they call it that.
>>724627503https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIiFOpt4HH4
>>724613360Its a solid fun game sure it doesn't have the polish of a lot of modern games but its tightly paced and does a lot of stuff that most modern games simply don't do anymore because their to busy chasing trends and trying to appeal to as many people as possible.
>>724625494Funny how they both pioneered moviegames in their own ways
>>724627936and it was great. moviegames CAN be done well, its just almost nobody can pull it off.
>>724613360Along with Mario 64, it shaped the 3D game world and specifically set the standard for what adventure games should be. Obviously you will never know because you've always lived in the gaming world that OOT created. Millennials managed to be smack-bang in the middle of the largest evolution of video games in history. fast forward to current year and there has been barely any innovation at all over the past 10 years, the industry feels not just stale, but actually in decline. (take Starfield vs Skyrim for instance)
>>724627778>tightly pacedNot a single zelda game is tightly paced. Only their openings are, and then it's retarded mandatory sidequests, random dungeons with no justification, and then suddenly ganondorf.
It's an absolute master piece. One of the best video games ever made and a must play.If you don't agree with this. Play hundreds of games over 20 years and you will realize why i said that, then come and tell me i was right.
>>724628509that's exactly what i did before coming to OOT and FF7. Both are piss games only a baby can be impressed by, aren't even the best games of their own generations and consoles.
>>724628326>Along with Mario 64, it shaped the 3D game world and specifically set the standard for what adventure games should be. Nope, they didn't do anything devs weren't doing before, and the way they do things didn't become the standard going forward
>>724628326>nintendo invented 3dlolLMAO even.
>>724628509You sound like this embarrassing gen X fags who insist Pacman is the best game ever made
>>724628589It's so shit that not even Zelda does the things OOT supposedly invented, same for Mario and Mario64
>>724628583Then there is no cure for you, you are retarded.
>>724622683Then why do these "modern standards" result in bloated, boring piece of shit games that aren't nearly as good as OOT?
>>724627380Why are you so fucking weird?
>>724622909>"You aren't being gentle you bully!"Come on, look at >>724613414 >>724616969 >>724617117 and insist that you shitposters are being much better yourself. And I don't know how this >>724613506 was being rude or "not gentle". Just pointed out the fact that game industry is spiraling towards shit with gaas and mtx stuff on top of horridly long development cycles. Yeah you have your indies but these days games aren't even finished on release and sometimes they have horrid performance or game breaking glitches/crashes.Show me a single AAA-game in past 5 years that hasn't gotten patches.
>>724628589>>724628326Mario 64 has better movement and controls than any modern 3D platformer, retard. OOT, while taking the lockon camera that was established in a few games before, made it a trillion times more playable. Yes, neither game invented these concepts from scratch, but they sure as hell are amoung the first to do them well.
>uhhh, good game bad, actuallySame time tomorrow?
>>724629004Cope.
It's about as good as a middling indie game today, but back then it was competing with games that aged so poorly people aren't talking about them.
>>724628776because you're a jaded fuck, probably riddled with mindrot from spending too much time on /v/. you arent a child easily impressed by a children's game anymore. also you're nostalgia blind, forever chasing the high that you once felt. the WAY that you play games probably isnt the same as you used to either. while before you used to play games to have fun, these days you probably play games "to beat/complete" them. this is why you think most modern games are "bloated", because you're treating them like a checklist of things to accomplish, and you've gotten bored... playing the game. you're not interested in the game. you're interested in completing it for some reason or another. >but its not that way with oot!yes, your nostalgia and familiarity bias treat it differently. the level of comfort you've associated it in your brain is not the same feeling that you get from modern games. you probably dont even realize that you're doing it. but the point is that you're incapable of actually analyzing anything. you're trying to compare how modern games make you feel instead of looking at anything they do objectively, and you're incapable of taking an objective look at oot because you couldnt POSSIBLY dissociate the good feelings it gives you.
>>724629004>>724629187remember when that dude made a mod of OOT to make link a girl so he daughter would be able to play it and whatever? i always wondered what happens when you get to the rescuing ruto part and the forced marriage thing. if you actually genderswapped it correctly, it would be a male ruto forcing an underage female link into a marriage in exchange for the whatever. its been a while since i played it. the whatever gem thing.
>>724617117lol, a melty!zoomers must learn to be better shitposters, its way too easy to break their shitty irony facade.imagine living in irony on the anonymous board, then complaining about people being useless and unproductive lol
>>724629307It's better tho, just for the amount of content alone. On top of characters. Gameplay can feel bit "clunky"(especially when picking up N64 controller for first time) but it's still hard to find games with both child and adult version of the world plus all the items and the small secrets etc.Everything is too "balanced", making them boring compared to older games.
>>724629041>pulls the word "bully" out of nowhere for some reason???? you're just obnoxious. literally bart simpson going "I AM SO GREAT!" but oot. and then you just illustrate that you're jaded and incapable of adapting by complaining about irrelevant shit like "development cycles". poor optimization of a lot of modern things is a valid critique, but hyping up oot as something special with its myriad of glitches and shitty fps is laughable.
>>724629589>the world in question
>>724629708>see that mountain?>you cant go there. its just a background.
>>724626297>FF6 above 7 is the biggest forced meme out of MillennialsI like the characters, theme, and setting of 6 far more than 7's. The graphics don't gatekeep me from enjoying it either.
>>724629835But you do go there, you go there almost fucking immediately in fact.
>>724629919in elden ring you don't go to the mountain until 50 hours in so elden ring is a better game
>>724629919lmao no. you go to what it represents, but you dont go there.
>>724629835You literally go there though.
>>724629708BasedAlso why is 4chan scary just now?
>>724629459They would both be underage.
>>724630095it's benhe's here
>>724629125>Mario 64 has better movement and controls than any modern 3D platformer, retard. No it doesn't, otherwise games would be using them and they don't in favor of dual analog controls>OOT, while taking the lockon camera that was established in a few games before, made it a trillion times more playable. No it didn't, otherwise games would be using it and they don't in favor of lock-ons that let you choose your next target with direction buttons, and free aim systems
>>724629964Bloated mess
They're too scared to play Majoras Mask and Twilight Princess
For me it's Majora's Mask, but Ocarina is still second best
My opinion of OoT is shaped by adventure focused games being stagnant and largely mediocre quality or being in the mold of combat sim rpgs which really don't have the same design goals. It's not a perfect game at all but within its niche it's hard to think of any game that has improved upon it enough to override its iconic status, at least not within the same series.
>>724613410I was there and didn't like it. 3D Zelda, Metroid and Mario are ass.
>>724630152its still a boy forcing a girl into a unwanted marriage. double standards and all, the other way around is "more acceptable"
>>724630020You rather go to a giant rock that has no level design, totally fucked terrain and pathing, rather than an instance of what you saw as an actual stage and level?Botw right is over there, go play that trash.
>>724629125I think you'd have been right about mario 64 for a long time through the 6th and 7th gen but in the 8th you started seeing games crop up that finally started to match its approach of a skillful move repertoire.
>>724629643Well complaining about someone "not being gentle" is on same level as crying about a bully. Like you didn't point out where that anon wasn't "gentle", just insisting he was. You can always point it out if you want but I guess you'll just make excuses and insist any of his points aren't legit.>you just illustrate that you're jaded and incapable of adapting by complaining about irrelevant shit like "development cycles". ? What is jaded or especially "irrelevant" about criticizing long development cycles? Having company drop tens if not hundreds of millions on development on top of constant crunching only to push out a game with mtx and glitches isn't a good thing and should be criticized. It's kinda ridiculous to have wait for a new game only to pay $70 or $80 plus Season Pass and pre-order DLC on things that were usually unlockable in older games.>but hyping up oot as something special with its myriad of glitches and shitty fps is laughable.Where am I hyping it up? It has flaws duh but it's a complete game without mtx or dlc, gaas always-online singleplayer, or social engineered design for player addiction.That is automatically better, but I could also point the smaller things such as same looking slightly transparent UIs or musical scores being constantly focused on live orchestra or graphics chasing realism with more focus on shit like horse balls and peach fuzz to waste that long development cycle and gamebreaking glitches/crashes.Look at something like BG3 at launch. It kept crashing and barely running properly and needed to have patches still this year to run like it was supposed to. ffs it was on EA and got player feedback&data it STILL had issues on launch.And won GOTY despite crashing on launch for many. I like the game but it's still unacceptable.Screeching>"you're just a brainrotted shitposter. buzzwords and virtue signalling, thats all you have. you dont play games."When pointing out even worse shit about new games isn't very "gentle"
>>724613360>by today's standardsWhy the fuck would I judge it outside of its context?
>>724630670>Like you didn't point out where that anon wasn't "gentle", just insisting he wasn't*More coffee
>>724630474Metroid Prime was great too, I think you just have shit taste.
>>724630170Now I want a spooky MM rom hack for today.
>>724630020>NOOOOO you can't just represent places you can go using low resolution assets in a skybox!!uh ok
>>724613360It's still my favorite game ever. Especially now that I've discovered rom hacks it's like playing it for the first time all over again.
>>724630281That's true, the bulk of action RPGs today are designed around you dying a bunch and have dozens of checkpoints that you'll be inevitably given the ability to teleport between, and almost none of them have puzzles (that aren't spelled out for you by companion characters). Really downplays the adventure aspect.
>>7246307892d metroid has merit as an action game, metroid prime 1 and 2 are decent games, especially 2, but the action component being reduced to stale popcorn will always be disappointing.
>>724630020...What the fuck does this even mean?Do you think every game should be open world without loading zones? This is like complaining "you don't go to Cortex Castle on background of Crash 1 levels, you go to what it represents" or same kind of shit for levels on Sunshine background or Odyssey world map or something.Do you know why everything runs so shit and needs beefy as fuck hardware?Your kind of people are the reason the games are so shit.
>>724631127The combat in prime is practically identical to the sidescrollers>lock your arm cannon in a direction and hop aroundsame thing.
>>724613360because /v/ (and 4chan as a whole) is occupied by pathetic middle aged menchildren
>>724630485In monarchy, that is incredibly common.
>>724630281>being in the mold of combat sim rpgs which really don't have the same design goals.FUCKING THISIt's always "look how deep our combat is!" when something like Twilight Princess is as deep combat in adventure game needs to be. But no, every fight needs to be as epic if not more than first Darknut fight.If an adventure game focuses more on combat than adventure, then you have poor man's action game with mediocre adventure.
>>724630474its so passe to be contrarian on /v/
>>724631280>it was socially acceptable>like hundreds of years before OOT came outwell, your not wrong, but
>>724630281The only other games EVER to actually play and feel like Zelda to me was Darksiders.
>>724631371There is literally nothing wrong with arranged marriages. If anything is the healthy and proper way to do things as long as you aren't having generations of Hapsburg levels of incest. The world would be exponentially less fucked if we went back to that practice.
>>724631127>but the action component being reducedS i g hSuper Metroid wasn't that deep. You pointed your gun to one of 8 directions and jumped around.Honestly, the fact you think Metroid even needing some "action game elements" is kinda fucking retarded. Not everything needs deep action and combat for adventure. I think you would enjoy post-SotN 2D Castlevania more than Metroid games if you think Metroidvania needs action and combat so much.Metroid is more about exploration and atmosphere and adventure. Finding unlocks/keys to progress, not just new combat abilities even when those are nice. You want missiles in Super Metroid primarly so you can open a new kind of door, not because you think about your dps output.
>>724613360It's just millennial tendies pretending to be cultured oldfags. Anyone who was actually playing games back then knew it was watered down, casualized baby shit. Journalists like it because journalists don't play games and enjoy games that treat them like idiots.
zoomer here, oot is good and majoras mask is better
>>724631371>like hundreds of years before OOT came outHowever in the context of OoT, that is the norm.
I want a fish girl to force me into marriage.
>>724631728no, thats speculation
>>724613506Breath of the Wild outright replaced it.
>>724631871It's literally an era of monarchies. How is that speculation? You SEE HER TIE LINK INTO AN ARRANGED MARRIAGE.
>>724631926Botw is 10 times longer while also being 10 times worse.
>>724613360I played it for the first time recently on PC with Ship of Harkinian, and I enjoyed it a lot. You are right though about nostalgia, the game is fantastic, but some dudes suck it off like its cum cures cancer. I have a theory that any Nintendo fan above the age of 28 was neglected/abused, and Nintendo was the only positive thing in their life at the time, so they have a weird imprinted relationship with it.
>>724623045if you like Ocarina of Time you should enjoy Fable, Skyrim, and Witcher 3, obviously Botw & Totk too. They're all superior than the ole 27 year old game.
>>724631952no you see a fish person and fish species do that, not hylians. hell, its not even the monarchy forcing ruto to marry link, its just literally her, ruto, a dumb young fish girl who WANTS to marry link. voluntarily.
>>724632178Bro, being neglected and abused was the default state of basically everyone who actually played video games when it came out. Remember that the hobby was still for nerds and losers.
>>724632280>fish princess wants to marry link>horse girl wants to marry link>marriage doesn't seem to exist for the kok people saria still wants to jump your bones>brown desert amazon wants to marry you>princess princess wants to marry linkEveryone wants to force link into a marriage.
>>724632384wanting to have sex with someone isnt the same thing as the institution of forced marriage man, your really reaching here. and literally none of them succeed. what group is forcing it to happen. what are the consequences for avoiding it?nothing.
>>724632280I'm going to fucking end you.
>>724632503Sex and marriage went hand in hand unless you were a prostitute up until the 70s.
>>724613360It was hyped by the internet for like 15 years after release. Frankly I think its star is fading. It’s good, but I’ve played it too many times and I can’t judge it properly.
>>724631926BotW suffers from>needless padding(shrines, koroks, breaking weapons)>social engineering dopamine chaser(said shrines and koroks for constant meaningless rewards for monkey brain go ook-ook aak)Honestly, the few first hours of BotW is amazing but when you realize that the cool weapon you found is gonna break, and that all the Korok seed challenges are on the level of "lift rock", "shoot moving targets", "jump into a circle", it loses all it's magic quickly.Why adventure anywhere when at best you find a shrine? My favorite part was characters, but after you meet them then that's it.It suffers from the same problem other open world games suffer from>Can't have important unlocks as it takes from freedom and would break balance>Can't have too much effort put on any place as player might miss it>Balance is most likely difficulty scaling>Story has to be told in random pieces without clear progression(this is a thing some games avoid, but BotW/TotK sure doesn't outside few first hours)It doesn't feel like an adventure. Just more of a playground where you fo whatever you feel like without any meaningful goal or discoveries.Cool graveyard? Maybe you'll find a tomb or some cool magical staff or-Nah, there's few Korok seed and puzzle for literal children for a shrine(or the puzzle with motion control gimmicks inside the shrine)Dense jungle area? Maybe there's a small cave behind bushes with mini challenges an-Few Korok seeds and a same looking shrine with medium challenge robot(your hammer 4-shots it because you were supposed to be here earlier).Outside of desert with fun miniboss(whose music reminded me of Crash Bandicoot) there is nothing to discover. If I already know what I'm gonna find, is it even an adventure?Yeah you have prob seen snoys or retards cry about BotW already but I wanna like BotW and TotK more. Clearly it has something when people rate it 10/10 but I just can't see it. TP was more fun and epic adventure with a cool sidekick.
>>724632543sure, but that doesnt really change that theres no forced marriages in the series, and the only connection is "its a monarchy">>724632565cool. this was a game made in the 90's, set in a fantasy world. you know hylians arnt real, right. or fairies. or magic. right.
>>724613360>good by today's standardsAnd there in lies the problem. You weren't there and didn't see the impact.
OOT and MM are the only 3d Zelda games with good pacing. The others are all too slow and bloated.
>OoT gets a Switch 2 remake>There's a new mini dungeon>It's Zonai themed
>>724633346This
>>724633370
>>724613360Unironically a masterpiece >Fun gameplay>Good story>Charming>Good music>Doesn't overstay it's welcome >Satisfying ending I also love games with time travel mechanics so it gets extra points for that
>>724632869>needless padding
>>724624973>in its heyday /v/ mocked OoT for being casual console trashKind of fucking weird the board would have voted it the #2 game of all time back then if that were true.
>>724613360I played the game for the first time 2 years ago and thought it was fantastic, it’s not nostalgia for me
>>724633560the spiders are worthless after you get enough or 1 wallet upgrade. there is no reason to bother going after the other rewards. I think you only needed like 10 of them or something to get the wallet. I remember casually getting enough never seeking them out.
>>724628449>Only their openings are,What the fuck are you even talking about. The opening of most Zelda games is by far the slowest part with TP being the worst offender.
>>724633616Kind of funny that the whole thread was calling the list bullshit, as if any joker couldn't fabricate his own list and claim it's the consensus
>>724633616>the best game of all time is the most shallow JRPG of all time, made for babies
>>724633891You have a working archive that can display /v/ threads from 2008? Because otherwise I'm just going to assume you're fabricating your own claim.
>>724633694You were the one picking on optional content, I simply pointed out OoT was "good" for that too.
>>724634021Well I'm already assuming you're fabricating your own list since you don't have any proof for it being real
>>724634107Shit, we've reached an autistic impasse then. No point in believing any claims from that era whatsoever then. I'll just say that /v/'s actual favorite game back then was Cubivore, might as well be just as valid.
>>724633560Is there 900 of those like in BotW's Korok seeds? Or holes like shrines?I do disagree with the other anon, but it was nice to find some and they were audio based finds.But compare the BotW dungeons and shrines to OoT dungeons and mini dungeons. 4 BotW dungeons that look the same and has same looking boss. Then 120 same looking shrines.Vs8 different dungeons and 2 mini dungeons(3 if you count Gerudo dungeon for ice arrow, a permanent unlock).But I think you will defend the like 50 "lift rock" Koroks(not to mention thd "press A on sparkling effect" Koroks) as better than hunting Gold Skulltulas.Not saying your example is masterclass but it's like one of the first hole secrets you find with rumble(if I remember right).
>>724633370Stop
>>724613360I think OOT is mediocre at best, but it's a masterpiece compared to the Ubislop that's being falsely advertised as "Zelda" "games" nowadays.
>>724613360I tink Zeruda get stale, so I make Windu WaikaYou hate Windu Waika nd tink it fo babies, so I forrow OOT and make tuwairaito purincess.Oooooo but nooooo now you hate TUWAIRATIO PURINCESS. YOU ROVU WIND WAIKA NOW.WELL YOU DONTU KNOW WHATTU RIKE!SO I MORPHU TUWAIRAITO PURINCESSU AND WINDA WAIKA AND GIB U SKYWAADO SWORDOAND YOU DONT RIKE SKYEWAADO SWORDU TOO. YOU ROVU WINDA WAIKA AND TUWAIRAITO PURINCESSS NOW.I GIVE U BREASS OF WIRDE AND YOU DONT RIKE THAT EVAAWHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT!!!??
>>724634287Too much optional content, if only there was a solution to optional content but I'm just so fucking retarded.
>>724633616I want to go back
>>724634287if you collect all 900 of them, the reward is this thing. that looks like a golden poo. the description even says "it smells pretty bad".kinda funny, lmao. imagine if anyone didnt spoil themselves before and actually collected them all legit. a golden poo as a reward.
>>724637369>Too much optional content,No, too much *repetitive* content.See, finding a random hole on ground for 8th time isn't bad, because you don't know what you'll find. Be it another Skulltula or maybe chest of rupees etc.Finding 37th rock to lift, or 24th "put rock here", or 17th hop to pool for Korok seed is repetitive. And it isn't just that, but the fact YOU KNOW instantly what the reward is. See a lone rock? Korok. See a circle of rocks with one missing? Korok. See a boulder&chain? Korok.Same with shrines. At best you get a small thing you can sell for arrows or armor piece you have to spend resources to buff a fuckton so enemies do only one(1) heart of damage to you(great damage/armor system btw), but otherwise it's always ¼th of a heart/stamina container. In same looking place with a challenge so easy it might as well just skip the bullshit and give you the reward before entering.Seriously, what's the point of entering a shrine only to get the reward instantly?>>724637552It is sad that even the devs say "don't enjoy the whole game. Just put it down, you are playing it wrong" or "lol retard completed our game xD"I just don't understand the appeal of open world games.
>>724633616>Pokemonwow, /v/ has always been the most normie tier batch of faggots this side of the internet
>>724613360Context, you homosexual. The thing you can't grasp because you like IQ points. Sad but true.
>>724613360There are games worse than OoT being made today.
>>724633346It's true. Wind Waker's slow sailing and triforce finding come to mind.
>>724633412You need to get on Seasons and Ages. If you liked Link's Awakening, you'll have about the same level of appreciation for them.
>>724639812Yeah, all of them.
>>724640620Seconding this. I might go back and give them another playthrough before the end of the year.
>>724613886This was a careful balance of contrarianism and personal biases across the board with a good dose of console wars
>>724632178>You are right though about nostalgia, the game is fantastic, but some dudes suck it off like its cum cures cancer.Its because of the time it came, if you played the game for the first time now and thought it was fantastic imagine what little timmy thought about the game in 1998
>>724641580Play more games
>>724614090Ain't no way people think standards have improved with gatcha games entire existence and horse armor leading to the creation of dlc.
>>724624670>modern film making is vastly superior to 1941The 7 minutes long encounter scene between Spade and Gutman is better than 99% of movies made before or after this
>>724641873Heat is a two and a half hour long movie that's better than those 7 minutes.
>>724641873The Fugitive is a two hour long movie that's better than those 7 minutes.
>>724631926>boring open world garbageYep, it's a zoomer alright
>>724626297Pokémon being there at all means all of this is a complete joke made by nostalgia-addicted morons
>>724626549>It's a simple formulaIt's not simple at allOoT has a fuckton of stuff that is not simple to just make, above all else 3D level design for the dungeons, especially in a 3D Zelda-like with an open map would require taking in consideration a fuckton of interactions with all the items that you could bring into each dungeon non-sequenciallyAnd this is just one hurdleIt's beyond 99% of indie developer and would be a huge pain in the ass to make a good game
>>724613360I replayed OOT and MM lately and OOT feels like a beta MM in many ways>emptier environments>simplistic combat and puzzles>empty overworld>simplistic npcs and day night cycle where they barely have character and just act like standing text boxesmajora might have less dungeons but they wipe the floor with OOT just like everything else, from combat to dungeon design and story and the npc schedules with their sidequest make it a lot more believable as a world too
>>724629062>eceleb
>>724629125>Mario 64 has better movement and controls than any modern 3D platformerA Hat in Time is a better 3D platformer under any aspect
>>724643095>simplistic combatDude I love MM but how the hell is its combat any less simplistic than OoT when its the same fucking thing?
>>724643313simply because the enemies are less of a push over and don't just fucking stand there doing nothingI played with double damage on and majora's enemies actually managed to pose a threat meanwhile even OOT stalfos just fucking stand there with their shield up all the time
>>724632565>Sex and marriage went hand in hand unless you were a prostitute up until the 70sYou have a fictional view of history
>>724642060>>724642130There's no Humphrey Bogart in those movies, boys
>>724637198Miyamoto hated Wind Waker.
>>724613360It hasn't been topped yet.
>>724613886pokemon gold being 42 when its a bad dlc of red that does the kanto bait is crazy the games a 7 on a good daynier 27dragon dogmamgr better then heoes 3 and smt 3 by 40 placesthis list is shit
>>724613993alright lets compare it to the most recent zelda to see if you're right>storyoot has more story>charactersoot has more characters>enemiesoot has more>musicoot has music>dungeonsoot has dungeons>equipmentoot has morethe only thing oot has less of is empty open worlds and crafting items
>>724613886>FFVI I will never forgive the idiots who put this game on such a high pedestal.
The only reason people like botw or totk to the degees they do is because of gooner bait characters most chiefly Zelda.The gameplay just isn't really there. Big open world with nothing to really do most of the time.
>>724643095I didn’t like MM at first because something about it felt *off* compared to OoT, but once I started exploring it a bit it instantly became a significantly better game. In every single way.OoT really is hugely overrated, especially by today’s standards. But nostalgia is one hell of a drug.
>>724647958don't get me wrong i still appreciate OOT and it was like my first zelda game ever as a child and I hold it dear to my heart, but playing them back to back you can really feel the team knew how to take advantage of the engine and n64 expansions pack to really flesh out a bunch of shitstupid example, racing ingo in OOT with epona is a joke, racing the gorman brothers in majoras has actual obstacles and shit and its not just about outrunning them, its a small difference but it really adds, or how the song of storms is not just created with a silly time loop but its a song composed by the tears and anger of a guy that got tricked
OoT is the greatest game of all time.
>>724613360OoT is perfectly fine on its own, gets a bit of extra merit just by being so ahead of the game in the 3d adventure game genre. I've just come in here for my obligatory response that even after every game on the planet getting a randomizer mod in lieu of OoT, OoT randomizer remains as the best one and randomized OoT is one of the best games ever made, but predicated on having enough OoT knowledge to play a randomizer easily
Lol this thread is still up... I don't think there is a singular franchise that ASSRAPES /v/ as much as zelda... You guys simply cannot fucking COPE and you SEETHE every single day about it
>>724643505who was fucking the prostitutes, einstein?
>>724649186BotW will NEVER be Zelda. You can fuck off and cope over that.
>>724649267meant for>>724632565
>>724649293it sure is buddy, and you will cope and seethe about it for another 8 years
>>724649432Yeah meanwhile in reality:>Thread malding about OoT for the billionth timeYou will never be Zelda. You might as well get the fuck over that.
