>want to roll unnarmed/explosive>end up with regular cowboy weaponsFUCK
>>724644620Literally every single weapon in this game fills the same purpose. If you have a sniper build you aren't switching to a shotgun at close range. It has more in common with an mmo than an actual rpg. It's just a lame reddit game.
>>724645024Every single human being in this world fills the same purpose. And yet... we are all different.
>>724645101>Every single human being in this world fills the same purposeI was put on this planet to watch anime
>>724645024>If you have a sniper build you aren't switching to a shotgun at close rangeabsolutely hilarious thing to say about NV in particular, the game with the perk that can ragdoll enemies indefinitely with shotgun blasts
>>724645273That's not your purpose, that's your hobby.
Whenever I play Fallout 3 I get bored within a few hours.Should I play the game killing everyone next time? It honestly sounds a lot more fun than listening to all the crappy dialogue trees.
>>724645024I pull out my shotgun at close range because I roleplay in roleplaying games. Sounds like a you issue.
>>724645469I've been playing it in TTW, ignoring the dogshit story to just wander and kill things has been an alright experience modded. plus you get to play with all the NV weapons too, being able to use the anti-materiel rifle in the capital wasteland is pretty nice. Though I will warn you that DLC wise I couldn't get through operation anchorage without it crashing every single time I finished the first mission in the DLC, so I had to console command open the door to get to the loot the DLC provides.
>>724645606I'm not buying any DLC or installing any mods.
>>724645469Killing everyone in 3 gets annoying because of the essentials.
>>724645368Yeah, but that requires perk investment. Due to how its an oversimplified version of feat stacking it kind of just becomes.... WoW. Like obviously, in a really immersive and tactical rpg we'd be using different weapons for different situations, and since rpgs are about ROLEPLAYING we'd be playing a ROLE in a part and everyone would mash their specializations together to create a cohesive unit and everyone would get a chance to shine. Wasteland 1 was kinda like that, funnily enough. But in fallout it's just like the weapon is your spec and it can do everything and you never have to worry about switching or budgeting ammo or whatever. Like there's never a time when you run out of ammo and gotta pick a weapon off the ground, nothing exciting like that is gunna happen.
>>724644620For me, it's Guns/Explosives/Sneak.Picking off targets long distance or sneaking up and shoving grenades in their pockets.
>>724645671What does that mean?
>>724645737There are essential NPCs that you can't kill.
>>724645589How much money does the government pay you for your crippling autism
>>724644620>can't role play in a role playing game >has to WIN via MIN/MAX in a role playing game
>>724645805How much does the government pay the caretaker who looks after you for your crippling mental retardation?
>>724645589That's LARPing not roleplaying in an RPG. To immerse yourself in a games systems you should be using the rules as if you're surviving in a harsh environment. Like pulling out a whiskey after a hard fight isn't roleplaying, that's larping. Thinking about how to maximize your chances of survival is roleplaying in a game. The rules are the important part, game is not arbitrary and this line of thinking is why rpgs are shit and gay now. It's just slop, just.... eugh disgusting.
>>724645793Why not? What happens if I try?
>>724646007They ragdoll and it says they're unconscious and then they get up a while later.
>>724645674you act like a perk investment is a big deal, no build requires ALL perks be geared towards one flavor of anything. If I'm running guns even if I spend most of the game sniping I will always take shotgun surgeon and and stay back just because it's useful to have when you eventually get caught. your weapon is your spec yes, but this is why all ballistic weapons are under the Guns umbrella, allowing you to be flexible within that category of weapon.
>>724645645>no DLC and no modswhy even bother playing then? Of course you're going to be bored, you're playing the worst version of an already bad game
>>724646097Oh, is that all?I thought you were going to tell me the game becomes unwinnable or something.
>>724646182>why even bother playing then?I want to see what the base game is like.but honestly, if you need to mod your game to have fun with it, It's a bad game. Simple as.
>>724644620I believe that you can beat the vanilla game without a single weapon. I remember only using guns to get stuff done quicker like killing Benny at the bar and... I guess that's pretty much it unless I'm feeling extra lazy and shoot the ghoul who wants you to find his dead girlfriend at repconn instead of using a stealth boy to sneak it in and that's a skippable mission that I only do it because I use the post game mod and I like Novac as it is.
>>724646267>if you need to mod your game to have fun with it, It's a bad gameAnd yet you're still going to play it.
>>724646267>if you need to mod your game to have fun with it, It's a bad game.I can agree with that, though I will say that even though I think NV by itself is a decent game, modding the game just makes the mechanical experience so much better. FO3 however I think is only even halfway decent when shoved into modded NV
>>724646367Yes, I am going to play a bad game.Why does this upset you so much?
>>724646106It's way too tight to be interesting obsidian and bioware always due this where they make it feel like you're boxed in and picking extremely obvious synergies. Like all their games feel tailor made for dumb stoners. You don't ever need to pull out that shotgun because that sniper rifle will be perfectly fine at point blank, especially with vats.
>>724645958No, that's roleplaying. Roleplaying is making decisions based on what your character would do, which may be different from your own thoughts. A games mechanics can help reinforce RP and make it easy to immerse yourself in a world, but aren't strictly needed to RP. Having your character sit down and eat a meal because you think they'd be hungry is RP. A game can help encourage this mentality with a hunger mechanic, but it is not needed to RP.LARP is a meaningless term in this context and literally means "Live Action Roleplaying". You are inventing definitions in your head for it.
>>724646467>due*do
>>724644620Builds in NV are always late game options. Early on your choices are pretty much "anything that does damage". You absolutely can do an explosives / unarmed build with missile launcher, grenade launchers, power fist, etc.
>>724646532If there is no hunger meter then eating food is not roleplaying in the context of a game. That's theater kid stuff. Following the ruleset should naturally put you into the mindset of being that character, and if it doesn't the ruleset is bad.
>>724644620>A Light Shining in Darkness>This Machine>Medicine StickYep, it's gaming time.
>>724644620Shooting is just more fun
Every time I play NV I always end up going pure melee. I don’t know why but I hate using guns and explosives don’t feel effective enough for me to justify using them over just beating the shit out of people with a ripper
>>724646467>You don't ever need to pull out that shotgun because that sniper rifle will be perfectly fine at point blank, especially with vats.depends on the sniper. I love the anti-materiel rifle but it's insanely high AP cost basically makes it a horrible weapon for VATS, I get like one shot with it and because Grim Reaper's Sprint no longer refunds all your AP that's it. And Stay Back trivializes basically all melee enemies because you just turn them off with CC at the cost of a little carry weight and upkeep via repairs and ammo costs>It's way too tight to be interesting obsidian and bioware always due this where they make it feel like you're boxed in and picking extremely obvious synergiesI dunno now I feel like you're arguing against what you said earlier, it has a perk investment but also builds are so obviously synergistic that it's too easy and brainless. So is the system so varied and specialized that taking this shotgun perk is build breaking for sniper builds or not?
>>724646685Oh and as an example, you're kind of just advocating for gay shit like thishttps://youtube.com/shorts/rgyWQICpaOwNew Vegas truly is a bethesda "game" at heart.
>>724646682I think that's only the case if you follow the normal path from Primm to Nipton to Novac to Boulder City to Freeside. If you know the map well enough, you can do any build you want in the first two hours or so. Of course, that requires playing the game multiple times so you're kinda right.
>>724645958>That's word from 2010 anon, not word from 1980You're wrong anime fag, eat shit.
new vegas is PEAK https://youtu.be/d_tCCJWWt9w
>>724647141naw he's right some perks are level/skill gated, no amount of map knowledge is gonna get you Slayer before level 24
You gotta put points into unarmed and melee which feels a bit redundant but if you take all the perks associated with them you're basically playing Kenshiro by the end of the game. Knocking a deathclaw off it's feet into the air in slow motion and punching it to death before it hits the ground is some of the most fun I have had playing this game.
>>724646685>If there is no hunger meter then eating food is not roleplaying in the context of a gameNo you lunatic, that IS roleplaying. That is doing something entirely unnecessary to pretend you're a larger part of the game, ie ROLE PLAYING.
>>724647056>So is the system so varied and specialized that taking this shotgun perk is build breaking for sniper builds or not?What are you talking about? It's like picking a "build" in diablo 2 where the obvious answer is right in front of you. There's an optimal way to place special and any different way doesn't change the game, just makes it more tedious, you can max every skill, and perks are just extremely obvious synergies where bonuses ride off each other. There's no way you can meaningfully change how the game is approached. You don't need a tactical and measured approach to combat because you quickly snowball into a superhuman and every enemy you face is functionally a braindead stat stick. Even branching quests are often largely illusory.
>>724647263Straight from Gygax, larping is feminine behavior for girly girls. There's really no argument to be made here. You're just wrong.
This game made me start wearing diapers again lole
>>724647414Ok so you agree that taking And Stay Back has a low cost to it, and that swapping to a shotgun when enemies get close is in fact a good thing to do. great, good to see you're finally on the same page as everyone else anon
>>724647414Literally every game is like this. It all boils down to damage on target with multipliers.
>>724647526And he was wrong too. Sorry anon, you're defending a dumbass arbitrary position so you can feel superior, which you never get to do irl. It's really pathetic.
>>724644620I unironically play fo76 with only the revolver, it's unironically the best damage to cadence ratio weapon I can land my hands on.
>>724647367>do a rare melee build >get to the end of the game>break Lanius's face in two before he can even pull out his weapon during our fightI doubt the devs planned it, but Lanius being easier to kill with a melee build than a ranged weapons build is hilarious.
>>724646853guns can feel pretty bad unmodded. but modded with sights and scopes that doesn't suck shit, actual recoil and shit like leaning around corners shooting becomes very fun.
>>724647531No I don't agree because a sniper rifle is hilariously well suited for close range targets to the point where holding a shotgun is a waste of time, because the game is stupidly made.
>Sleepytyme>Katana>.45 pistol>Sniper rifle>Combat knife>Satchel chargesFor me it's the Deadpool assassin kit
>>724647645shotgun surgeon is a broken as hell perk though
>>724647354I don't see it like that because you can clear pretty much any area of the game without perks with weapons of any build. The only areas that are pretty much impossible to clear with an early game character using melee are the deathclaw nests, the cazador nests and that's pretty much it.
>>724647645snipers are in fact pretty bad against close range targets, especially unmodded because scopes are fixed range wise, have a slow rate of fire and high VATs cost on top of a nerfed grim reaper's sprint means you can't even exploit VATs damage reduction to tank shit. if you want to play in the most boring way possible using one type of gun in a game that puts every type of gun under the same skill umbrella more power to you, but let's not pretend it wouldn't be retarded to try to point blank the Mother Deathclaw with a sniper
>>724647615>And he was wrong too>The creator of RPGs is wrong about what RPGs are.LOOOOL, true Tim Cain was a true visionary when he finally figured out they were about stat triangles and arbitrarily eating 10 of the 47 pastries you looted out of the last 10 houses you broke into for no reason, because pretending it's snack time is wholesomerino. That's REAL rpgs. Just a simulation with no beginning or end with the win condition being undesirable to achieve, that's what a game definitely is, just like baseball, right? This genre attracts some real clowns, it's a shame it's completely ruined the video game industry. Outer Worlds 2 is truly what you people deserve.
>>724647783you are mistaking the game's balance around not needing a proper build with the availability of specialized builds in the early game.
>>724646685Don't get me wrong, I don't entirely disagree with you. I think what you're saying are hallmarks of GOOD RPGS. Anything that mechanically encourages decision making can potentially help increase immersion.The takeaway from what I'm saying is that they aren't STRICTLY needed to RP. Making definitions always an all or nothing case is not a compelling argument. You would be better off trying to say it's a bad rpg because X and Y rather than just framing anything outside of a box you made as a nonrpg.
>>724647961>I need some old retard to tell me how to think and feel about thingspathetic
>>724648065>Making definitions always an all or nothing case is not a compelling argument.No dude you're not seeing it. The G in RPG is really important. Its the most important thing and you're not seeing the forest for the trees.
Eh, I just use the laser pointer/controller trick using red glare ammo as backup whenever I get my self in depth shit that my melee can't solve
>>724647526Didn't Gygax stole a lot of his ideas from other people tho
>>724646831>This Machine
>>724647526>Straight from GygaxLiterally who?
>>724647961>>724647961Gary Gygax was the Thomas Edison of RPGs, the Nikoli Tesla was Dave Arneson, Jeff Perrin and Dave Wesley was the nikoli tesla.
>>724645024>"Snipers do more damage than shotguns, reddit game">thread agreesDoes anyone here PLAY the games they talk about?There are no perks that work on a sniper that don't work on a shotgun.There are two perks that work on shotguns that DON'T work on snipers.I'm checking the damage tables and it looks like shotguns outpace comparable snipers. The main difference being a sniper can be used at a range enemies can't shoot you back from, a shotgun excels indoors, and a real sniper gun needs VATS to hit anything up close.Oh and snipers cost a lot of AP if you do want to use VATS.
>>724649612snipers also get silencers so you can sneak crit entire rooms to death even indoors, but yeah a fight breaks out for real at mid to closr range I'll pull out the bozar or a shotgun
>>724649612Sawyer specifically added gun swapping as a major mechanic to PoE in an attempt to course correct how retarded guns were in fallout.
>>724647961>Larp>Live action Role Play>LIVE ACTION>In a video gameYou are wrong by every metric of human language.
>>724650137>yes but PoE>and fallout sucksOh shut up. Guns are fine in Fallout. Why don't you go play Fallout 2 where there is genuinely a problem caused by giving every encounter an automatic weapon and higher sequence than specifically lopsided player builds.
>>724645958No you fucking retard faggot. It's role-playing. LARPing is in real live. Idiot.
>>724645469The story sucks dick in 3 but it can be fun to do roleplay runs.My first playthrough of Fallout 3 I played like fist of the north star, unarmed and instantly slaughtering slavers and bandits
>>724646532based. I put "Veteran d&d DM" on my resume for mangement experience. I now make $150,000/yr because of it
>>724650572>Why don't you go play Fallout 2Because it's shit? I'm done with rpgs, this genre was a mistake. People just want power fantasy WEGs, not actual games. It's all brain rot and it why the usual suspects recoiled in horror at bg3 actually designing itself around playing like a real rpg instead of a CYOA novel. I have no hope for the future of rpgs, there is absolutely nothing to be optimistic about and it's better to turn to greener pastures. You just know the retards making a billion fallout and elder scrolls threads every day suck at all video games and are only attracted to them because they are the least cognitively demanding and the shortest laziest route to arguing over badly written quests on the internet. You can really tell obsidian was bred on something awful because it's zero gameplay and all dumb baity quests to make people argue on forums over arbitrary shit like politics and brag about their super dumb and quirky builds.
>>724645958>video game is live action
>>724650960Romero? This is actually a funny point because DMing is often a prerequisite in western game design, because it USED to be so level design focused.
>>724651005>desperate samefag meltdown
What is it about New Vegas that draws such retards to discuss it? Bots and Indians and anime avatarfags, nobody can leave a thread well enough alone, or even just discuss it as anon. There must be memes made, the threads must be spammed, there must be attention drawn to ME, because I'M special and disagree.
>>724651180I just explained why 2 posts up, learn to read nigga
>>724651148>he thinks only one person would disagree with such retardationNote that I know you won't believe this post and I'm only making it so the rest of us can laugh at you.
>>724651263>you can't larp in a video gameAll the sex crimes that happen in VR chat would suggest otherwise. But you are correct that a game where you larp is not a game, but a simulation. Which is why bethesda shit and it's offshoots all suck ass.
>>724651423>doubling downYou love to see it.
>>724650962>Because it's shit? I'm done with rpgs>power fantasy>brain rot>zero gameplay>dumb>shit>politics>quirkyThen why are you in this thread? Or this board? Go back to your moeblobslop. You have terrible taste.
Is no one going to point out how troony it is to portray your arguments as coming from a pouty anime girl?
This game is better as a tactical shooter experience with choices and consequences.
>>724651596>Then why are you in this threadBecause you make 300 of them a day and now it's getting stickies? Don't desperately beg for attention if you don't want it, otherwise I will become a permanent fixture in these threads.
>>724651180Because Fallout is for retards
>>724645101Feed yahweh souls?
>>724651698Are you really seething cause the mods made a joke and stickied some shitpost thread? It used to happen a lot before you started posting here.
>>724651670All the NV haters are closet trannies.
>>724651670Posting an anime image for emphasis sets a tone for a comment.Posting the same anime character across multiple posts is being an avatarfag, and against board rules.
>>724651774I am sick of mods making ten fucking billion bethesda threads a day while actively deleting and undermining everything else. This game is ancient and its a solid 2/10, 1 thread a day is already WAY too much. There are tens of thousands of games to choose from and you chose to dedicate decades of your like to squabbling over the same dumb cyclical posts over and over for a shitty casual game designed for people who never played a video game before and its snowballing to the point where its eclipsing all actual discussion. And no, mods never stickied 8 hour old threads, 4chan hasn't been slow and shitty enough for that enough to happen in ages.
>>724651698Have you tried filtering those threads?You already know the keywords of FALLOUT and SKYRIMI don't go to your threads to tell you that your habit of going to /a/ and right clicking moeblob images and saving them is retarded and that you should feel bad for itJesus christ you're a pathetic newfag
>>724652184>Have you tried filtering those threads?Doesn't work when there's more and more every day and it makes the board go faster and faster even though the actual post count is getting lower and lower. And all of those threads attract people who make the board shittier and shittier.>You already know the keywords of FALLOUT and SKYRIMOP has already evaded filters. There is no Fallout in the OP
>want to roll unarmed>end up punching everyonehell yeah
>>724652162Hit the nail on the head with the seething part I guess.
>>724652378>OP has already evaded filters. There is no Fallout in the OPOp probably didn't use Fallout or New Vegas in the OP to avoid the guy who spams fo3/4 vs NV memes because autistic schizo fucking retards and 24/7 trolls make this board worse
>>724652378>click arrow>click hide threadWhat a baby bitch you areWaaaahWaaaahThat's what you sound like
>>724652528If they're cutting down on the Fallout spam they're cool in my book. None of this would happen if mods did their jobs and held these threads to the same standards as everything else instead of playing favorites. Don't act surpised when behaving like an obnoxious attention whore attracts negative attention. And look how quickly you're shifting things so its never OPs fault, OP must have done NOTHING wrong.>just filter it>obviously can't do that>u-um just live with it, its not his fault
>>724652704He's really writing full paragraphs of seethe because there are threads he doesn't like. It would be funnier if this wasn't what ruined this site to begin with.
>>724652162>>724652378>>724652720If you weren't a complete newfag you'd know that Fallout threads slowed down considerably for a while until ragers started ritualposting about it.I mean you can't help what you don't know, but the obscene amount of threads had literally nothing to do with people that actually like it.>but w-what about this oneA rare thing indeed, if it weren't for you. The fact of the matter is you made this thread normal. Another Fallout thread on the board and everyone that likes it has fled once again. The truth is you are part of what you're pretending to fight.
>>724653587>If you weren't a complete newfag you'd know that Fallout threads slowed down considerably for a while until ragers started ritualposting about it.There with 68 bethesda threads made yesterday, I recorded every last one. You people are literally making threads about netflix shows just to be offended by them. All the culture war spam bullshit stems from rpg faggots, its an ambrosia to them because they don't play shit and they can't understand why their non-game genre based on entirely superficial qualities is shifting to a more modern audience. Its almost like these games are for idiots and they're just changing to appeal to the latest idiots.
>>724653796>I recorded every last onekek, that's mental. I was playing video games. At least you know how to sage and we can be done with this shortly.
