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Since it's Halloween, what was the spookiest thing you found in undertale yellow?
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>>724668552
I found a little easter egg in snowdin that's only in the geno route.
If you interact with the log (on the left) more than 4 times, the message changes to "I saw everything."
Didn't have a screenshot of this encounter but here's one with the log next to clover.
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>>724668552
What's stopped /v/ anons from visiting Yellow threads?
Because I swear it's been the same ones from /vrpg/ for a while now.
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>>724668552
Is DRY now worth playing?
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>>724672454
/vrpg/ mods
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>>724672562
yes though a patch will be made to fix some issues (just don't use the "challenge" act of the red pencil enemy and you should be fine)
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>>724672454
most of the "actual" UT/DR fans don't care about yellow since it is "non canon", so they don't bother
pretty much the only people that care about yellow here are the /vrpg/ anons
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>>724674764
I don't have an issue with yellow not being canon. Yellow just feels too different for me and at this point its fandom treats it like a collaborative fanfiction, and its elements don't have the appealing things the canon games do
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>>724672562
Massive changes to chapter 1
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>>724675494
So you're saying it needed more funny skeletons named after fonts and meta bullshittery for people to give a fuck?
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>>724676141
I like Yellow's OCs, I just find the story grossly underwhelming and lacking a central theme
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>>724676548
that's what happens when you make the story as teenagers working only on the fresh view of the fandom (biggest reason flowey is there before people "pieced together" the timeline)
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>>724676548
it definitely has "justice" as a central theme, it just strays from communicating that at points or communicates it in strange ways because of
>>724677258

it also completely drops the ball on exploring justice for all vs justice for one and its still genuinely mysterious that they chose to have martlet go along with things at the end. just enough is there that you can see what they were going for in places
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>>724670048
you might be the first human to notice that detail
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>>724668552
Meltlet on the first playthrough
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>>724677479
they also tried playing off "sin vs forgiveness" but it only plays out in the pacifist route,and you can see it play out pretty clearly with starlo then ceroba. since clover is very scorched earth in genocide, genocide instead is retribution, and how far someone is willing to go. its not saying the most profound things, it just has multiple instances like martlet showing up a few times, clover shooting starlo even if you let it be shown that he wasn't actually trying to harm you, destroying someone who was forced into doing something, forcing yourself to kill someone you dont want to for "the mission". it toys around with and flips around ideas of justice through the different routes but its kind of shaky in how it actually brings that to life across the routes.
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I've seen more art of clover dressed as dalv than actual images involving dav
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>>724678930
glad to see koffin-k is doing alright for himself, haven't heard from his dev team in a while
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>>724672562
Yeah, its got a proper release now, instead of just an unfinished alpha build. Its still only chapter 1 though. Its got at least twice as much content in chapter 1 as it did before though.
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>>724679214
Well chapter 1 and most of chapter 2
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>>724679342
The chapter 2 portion is the same unfinished alpha it was before
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boo
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>>724678207
I really, really wish the devs made the player shoot Starlo instead of it being automatic even if you don't input anything. I think the thematic trend of
>sparing Dalv after he gives up doesn't end geno
>Clover refuses to finish off Martlet in geno of his own accord
Starlo gave up just like those two, so logically you should have the option to spare him, though I think at that point it should lock you out of the geno route, maybe have a unique easter egg kind of ending if you fulfill all the geno requirements except for killing any of the four main bosses.

I've seen the argument that it's supposed to show Clover's worldview warping and him losing his sense of justice but I don't think it's conveyed clearly enough for me to believe it. At a minimum I would force the player to pull the trigger on a surrendering enemy and prime that behavior first.
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>>724677479
>it definitely has "justice" as a central theme, it just strays from communicating that at points or communicates it in strange ways because of
Will the other fangames fuck up their theme as much as UTY did? or will they learn from its mistakes?
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>>724681379
at least cooking with kindness is doing everything cooking related
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>>724681379
I mean, it nailed the theme in enough places that people can piece together the ideas, and the game was coherent enough to have lasting power all things said. if anything it would be a blessing if the other fangames keep it together at least as well as yellow did.

this is of course with the understanding that yellow fell short, but it fell short with sincerity in its failures as opposed to something like delta traveler I guess?
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>>724678930
once I learn how to draw dalv properly i will make him live his best life
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>>724682356
I forget he exists a lot. you need to remind the word
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>>724682997
the one of her shielding cole helped me see the vision. I may not be a believer myself but I have eyes to see
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>>724683179
Kanako's face looks a bit weird in these but I'll take any art I can get
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DRY Kanako I found on tumblr
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>>724683357
our dry-vestments are paying off
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>>724683261
yeah I can see what you mean about the face, but both of them are still expressive in a way I like, and coles expression in the one she's shielding him in "says" something I can't quite put my finger on.
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I said I was gonna deliver "something playable" by Halloween. Well here it is. I present to you, the world's worst walking sim:
https://files.catbox.moe/d4okaz.zip

All you can do is walk around in a single room. No interactions, just janky and barely functional collisions. I made up some tiles a few minutes ago, and was gonna use them to make a prettier room, but it'd probably be past midnight by then, and it wouldn't be enough to justify missing the deadline.

If you think its a virus, feel free to audit the source code yourself, its included with the rest of the files.

In fact, if anyone is feeling generous and would like to suggest some improvements that could be made the collision or graphics code, I would gladly take them. My programmer disappeared a week ago, so I'm basically on my own now, which sucks extra hard considering I have no idea what I'm doing. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Pic related are the tiles I made, but didn't have time to include.
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>>724683357
in this day and age I wont fault anyone from where new art is found. we have our wonderful resident artfags, but the collection must grow
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>>724683618
time to fork oldentale
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>>724683618
can't you have a struct for each tile where you can set up AABB bounding box data for the collisions, alongside any other properties the tiles have, like texture, sound, etc? you could probably make a tool to automate those so you don't have to type the collision values manually
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>>724677479
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>>724684184
an alternative is having a second tilemap of basic shapes which you draw under the main tilemap and the game checks for the texture's pixel colors of that tilemap to tell what is walkable and what isn't
using different colors for different things like sliding is also possible that way
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>>724684451
could mozart still be alive?
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>>724684451
this screenshot gets funnier the more I look at it
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>>724683357
Kanako if she were a viziepop character
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>>724683707
Fuck it, I'm past the deadline now. Gimme reqs and I'll attempt to draw them.
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>>724683923
Go ahead, the code and assets are all public domain. You can do whatever you want with them. I don't know how much use you'd get out of my crap code, but you're certainly welcome to it.
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>>724684979
honestly anything zartlet/martlet related would be cool
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>>724684184
>struct
FreeBASIC doesn't have structs or classes. It does have types, which are roughly analogous in function according to the manual. I don't know if they're 1 to 1 though.

Anyways, I already have a the tiles defined a type called ttype, which stores their state and graphic. My issue was that I was unable to figure out how to get the x,y location of the tile based on its location in the tilemap array. Maybe I'm just stupid here, but do I have to keep separate tilemap(y,x).tilex and tilemap(y,x).tiley variables in addition to their location in the array also holding their x and y values?

>you could probably make a tool to automate those
That's another issue I have. I'm having serious trouble figuring out how to automate tedious repetitive tasks. Like I'm still manually loading every sprite and tile into memory because I can't figure out a way to automate it.
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>>724684791
I don't get it, but it made laugh anyway.
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>>724685417
comes from a fairly old /v/ joke, probably more than 13 years at this point.
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Damn, its dead in here.
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>>724686827
it always gets at this time, specially on weekdays
I'd also think there would be more fangame updates on halloween but there weren't many
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>>724686827
everyone's still at the hometown festival
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>>724687085
these drawings give me life, anon
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did this one get finished and I just missed it?
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>>724688226
that's part of a longer thing I still need to start work on I'm still trying to figure out how to pull off starlo and martlet consistently
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>>724687047
What's the name of this game?
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>>724688897
UT symphony, it's where the meme of integrity having a big bust came from
also moth guy and armadillo are gay I think
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>>724687085
Is this a new one?
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>>724688979
Every design I've seen from this game has been some kind of bara (even the literal child)
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>>724689742
>girl with massive tits
>bara
huh?
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>>724689765
Side sprite looks more like a man's chest. Also her arms look super buff for someone who's supposed to be a kid.
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>>724689989
the creator has a type definitively, even his toriel is a bit chonkier than canon
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Every Clover comes with his own personal army
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>>724691031
Where did you find this?
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DRYanon2 here
no update, i have been distracted by a personal app thats teaching me how to do XML and HTML.
so far, i've mostly learned hate.

but now, i need a break from that crap, so let me give you all a three part green for my take on the flower girls.
its been in my head for a few weeks so i want to get it out.
also i just realized that rosa relentlessly shipping cole and kanako also works as a joke about her being a rose themed plant monster.
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>>724691850
>pedla stood at the front counter of the flower shop
>it was her turn to help her parents up front for the day.
>customers had come and gone, few wanted small talk fortunately.
>she had just finished pruning most of the plants and preparing gift flowers
>all she could really do now was wait
>someone came into the store
>P: "hi. welcome to the boutique. should you have questions about a specific flower please ask"
>the snake monster browsed the potted plants for a little bit
>pedla kept a blank expression the whole time, like a monotonous robot simply waiting for a request
>eventually, the snake found one she liked and took it to the front desk
>?: "i wassss wondering what the growing conditionsssss for thisssss one are"
>pedla's eyes lit up
>she told the snake monster everything about the plant's optimal growth conditions, using many words far beyond the average monster's understanding
>six minutes later, the snake monster stared at her in confusion
>P :"ah, sorry. that is a hardy plant that will flower all summer. it requires minimal maintenance, only needs to be watered once a week, and it'll regrow in the sprong so you wont need to buy a new one"
>S "thhhank you!"
>the snake monster paid for the plant and left
>R: "i dont know why you still bother doing that."
>P: "everyone gets a chance to learn if they ask, thats our policy."
>R: "and they never will, you should just do it like me and skip to the part where you tell them the basics."
>P: "you know mother hates that."
>R: "yes, yes. poor ma' and pedla. stuck giving speeches that fall on deaf ears."
>pedla frowned, at least violetta tried to teach people. even if she trailed off rather quickly
>R: "anyways..."
>*snip*
>pedla didnt even need to look, rosa cut a fresh rose.
>P: "if you're going out could you check on violetta? she should only be at the cafe"
>R: "of course, i was already going to check on her."
>P: "oh yeah and while you're there could you get me a-"
>rosa left
>P: "coffee..."
1/3
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>>724691880
>violetta sat in the cafe by the window
>the view of the lake was nice as this time of day.
>no waves, no clouds, the lake was a perfect mirror
>violetta was content sitting here and just staring out for the day
>her friends would come and go, they'd make small talk and leave.
>the day was almost perfect.
>her sisters werent bothering her to make sure she was "safe"
>as long as one of them didnt-
>*ding*
>R: "heeeey violetta. nice to see you here."
>of course
>violetta sighed
>rosa went to the front counter to order something
>its not that she didnt like her sisters, they're just so overbearing.
>sometimes it felt like those two couldnt even go an hour without checking up on her
>really, all she wanted was for pedla and rosa to actually treat her like a sister.
>she was only one year younger than the two of them and yet they insist on acting like she's a baby.
>rosa sat down next to her.
>V: "hey rosa..."
>R: "aw c'mon dont be like that, its been a long day just wanted to see how you were doing."
>V: "a long day of messing with cole and kanako?"
>R: "nahhh, i havent done that yet. soon though"
>V: "i see..."
>V: "well im doing fine."
>...
>V: "is that all?"
>R: "...yeah."
>thank god
>R: "hey gizmo, sadie. got a question for ya..."
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>>724691918
>cole and kanako left the theater
>K: "so how'd you rate that one cole? i'd say a 3/10 on a yee-haw scale"
>C: "haha nah, that was an easy 2/10. worst cowboy movie we've seen yet"
>a figure approached them as they talked
>C: "they never held the guns right. always limp handed like..."
>a perfect moment
>the figure walked past and snuck a rose into cole's hand, to make it look like he's offering it to kanako
>the two blushed
>K: "cole... you..."
>C+K: "hey wait a minute"
>the two turned to rosa, her face had contorted into an evil grin
>C+K: "ROSA!"
>rosa started running as the two chased after her
>she ran down an alley
>the two turned the corner and...
>its a dead end
>K: "DAMNIT!"
>C: "SHE ALWAYS DOES THAT!"
---
>pedla was taking her break in the flower shop
>suddenly, a swivel chair started spinning next to her, rosa had decided to teleport back
>P: "you know, someone's going to catch you using magic one day."
>R: "maybe."
>rosa stopped the chair while she was facing pedla
>R: "and when they do i'll just use my amnesia spell."
>P: "... you can do that?"
>R: "you dont remember? i showed you it last week."
>P: "no i... dont..."
>pedla frowned, rosa smiled
>she set a cup of coffee on the table
>P: "oh you actually got it. thanks"
>pedla took a sip and started coughing
>P: "GOOD LORD THE HELL DID YOU SLIP IN HERE? YOU KNOW I HATE SWEET THINGS"
>rosa started laughing
>R: "thats because its not yours, its my usual order"
>pedla had collapsed onto the table
>P: "ROSA YOUR 'USUAL' HAS ENOUGH SUGAR TO KILL A FOREST!"
>R: "... and this one is actually your coffee. a plain bland coffee for a plain bland person"
>pedla grabbed it and quickly took a drink to purge the sugary hell from her mouth
>P: "you really suck sometimes you know that."
>R: "yes many people have said that."

>P: "ok but you dont actually have an amnesia spell right?"
>R: "well, at the very least i dont remember that i have one. so thats probably as good as not having one"
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So how long until new DRY art?
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How would Clover spend their halloweens? Like, say, the people they with, if they go trick or treating, or simply go to a costume party, and what costume they'd wear?
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>>724693618
Clover could be his cowboy self and carry a gun without getting stared at for once. Maybe he'll wear the costume of some famous cowboy. He would venture around town and get free candy, probably ending up roped into some mischief.
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>>724693304
A few days at most
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>>724684979
Draw dark world Kanako to celebrate the release of DRY1 chapter 1 rework
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>>724693618
He would dress up as a veteran NCR ranger
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>>724690857
Kinda funny when you can give yourself an idea of the artist's tastes from looking at their characters or what details they chose to focus on
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>>724683357
She does look like a character from Hazbin Hotel
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>>724683618
Surprisingly, it does work on Linux if you run it through steam with proton 9.0-4
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>>724691990
>>suddenly, a swivel chair started spinning next to her, rosa had decided to teleport back
>>P: "you know, someone's going to catch you using magic one day."
magic exists in the lightworld of DRY2?
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>>724668552

You've been advertising this shit by making these threads for years, at this point all I can say is good hunting anon
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Royal guard roleplay sex with Martlet. But she stutters, forgets what shes supposed to be doing, cant fake a tough persona at all and frequently breaks immersion to ask if you're alright, or just gets completely distracted by a new topic to blabber about mid-fuck or is just chirping the entire time. She usually ends up on bottom anyway because she couldnt dom to save her life.
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I promised I would get a SURVEY_2 demo out by Halloween, anywhere in the world. I was going to joke about how it's not yet midnight in some parts of Polynesia, but I missed the deadline by about half an hour.

Anyway, here it is. It's in two parts: an engine demo and a "concept demo". The former showcases what I've gotten done so far in my custom engine (which is just the overworld and a single map). The concept demo was supposed to be the game's prologue, but in Kristal rather than my own engine. Unfortunately I only managed to map out Kris's house before running out of time.

I'd like to actually finish the prologue within the next month, and I'll post builds maybe once or twice a week. Once that's done, I'm considering doing the whole first chapter in Kristal so you won't have to wait forever for something actually playable. I'd like to hear your feedback on the matter.
Especially Oldentale anon, since you're probably the only other person who cares about the engine change. (Also please let me know if it even works on your system, I haven't tested on my retro rig yet)

https://files.catbox.moe/38m72s.zip
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Also, as an apology for TAKING TOO LONG, here's a preview of some of the dialogue. I hope you will be able to see it in action someday soon.
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>>724703536
I think I understand why you gave the slope that smiley face
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>>724684979
>>724696549
Dark World Kanako doing the George Costanza pose
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>>724693618
Here's a better question, what would halloween costumes look like in the world of Undertale? On the surface people would still probably dress up as monsters, but what about the underground? Would they dress up as humans? And would the either practice continue after monsters returned to the surface, or would it become a taboo like blackface?

And what about the Deltarune universe? Would they dress up at all there?
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>>724700264
It should. It's using nothing but the basic win23 api, and an incredibly basic(heh) version of it at that. Funnily enough, it actually works better on Wine than it does on newer Windows versions, since it doesn't have the color palette issue that's present on Windows Vista and 7.
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>>724703140
>frequently breaks immersion
Seems immersive to me, that's the exact same behavior she does while on the clock.
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>>724703536
>Kristal
If you have your own engine, why bother with Kristal?

>Especially Oldentale anon
The in house engine works, and works pretty well. Kristal doesn't even start. Says its not a valid win32 application, which either means its calling instruction sets I don't have or its calling API functions I don't have.

Your engine works great and if you wanted my opinion, I'd say stick with that, unless you can find a way to compile Kristal for legacy machines.

On to the engine itself. The collisions are accurate, though they kneel before slope-sama. If I move diagonally into a slope I can walk right through it. I also noticed you haven't implemented sprite layering, since when I make Kris walk behind something, he still appears in front of it. If you figure out how to fix that, then please tell me, since I have the same issue. RAM usage is at a nice 8MB, and CPU usage hovers between 7 and 8. Even when made to kneel by slope-sama, it only goes to 11 CPU usage. Your engine is definetly coded better than mine, which currently sends CPU usage to 50% at idle, even if it really doesn't need to.
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>>724705916
*win32 api
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>>724703758
Did you change Jockington's speech pattern on purpose, or are those just typos?

As a side note, I feel like adding extra dialogue onto existing lines kinda messes with the flow of the scene. All this dialogue drags on for too long. It could really use some abridging. Maybe consider replacing the original dialogue entirely rather than just extending it.
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>>724707252
What is she looking at?
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>>724708819
(you)
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>>724708819
Cole
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>>724668552
Status on the (non 4chan) fangames?
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>>724711390
We got a Deltarune remake in Earthbound a few days ago.
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>>724684979
Martlet or Zenith Martlet.
Either one or both will be awesome
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>>724711390
most are slow or dead
the few alive ones I remember are
>some of the cyan takes, like 2 of them
>some of the orange ones
>wildfire
>promise (integrity)
>justice resolves (UTY if kanako was alive and joined clover in snowdin, has ship tease)
>cooking with kindness
>one dusttale take
>lambdarune
>that underfell take with the moth siblings

those are the ones that have posted an update in the past month or so
many are asking for devs/volunteers to work and those will likely die soon
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>>724703758
what are the plans for jockington in survey2? I don't think people thought he was literally the devil before back then, and people really wanted him and catti to be party members
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>>724684979
It would be interesting to see your take on Cole seeing Zenith Martlet for the first time.
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>>724713506
that noelle there looks too cute
and I doubt anyone thought she'd be so focal to the plot back in ch 1
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>>724684979
Cole's reaction to discovering Martlet and Zenith Martlet's different bra sizes.
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>>724682185
It missed the mark completely. The core conflict of our cast has nothing to do with justice. Clover is the only character that has something to do with it but you really have to squint your eyes and overanalyze.
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>>724712093
>many are asking for devs/volunteers to work and those will likely die soon
I don't understand how these projects are always asking for more people to work with and don't seem to make any progress, shouldn't one coder, one spriter and one musician be all you need for a project this size?
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>>724684979
Pacifist Clover hugging Genocide Zenith Martlet to make her feel better and calm her down.
Pacifist Martlet hugging Vengeance to calm him down, and stop his violence.
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>>724714947
You're heavily underestimate how long it takes to make game. Especially one like a undertale fangame that's meant to play like undertale.
Sure having just three people in those roles, could theatrically give you all need, but it will still take a lot of effort, time, and resources.
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>>724713694
again?
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>>724715198
I know making a game is a huge effort, but I mean, unless they are making something the size of Deltarune I don't see why they always need more people, most if these don't even have demos
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>>724715550
The main issue is most game projects are made by idea guys/artists first, with almost no programmers or writers, so the projects just remain dead because they can't code.
Programmers are the lifeblood of any game.
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>>724715198
Theatrically?
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>>724714835
Martlet is a conflict of personal ideas of justice vs general ideas, she just fails to live up to her own ideals in pacifist because the writers robbed her of her own chance at character development in that route. Ceroba is sin and forgiveness that it lets you determine the resolution of, and it also shows the effects that ripples from having injustice inflicted can have with how everything with chujins downfall and eventually cerobas mistakes started with the snowdin incident. it didn't miss the mark completely because things like this are still coherent enough to see, but they were very inconsistent about how well they realized and explored these things.
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>>724716608
Yes, theatrically because all 3 of them are artists and they got no coders or game designers
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>>724716725
What does theater have to do with anything?
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>>724712093
Is that all? Crazy how we went from over 50 fangames (just counting the orange ones) to a handful now, and most of them are still at risk of being cancelled
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>>724716825
Because those people just know how to act/perform but not actually code a game
Anyone can sketch some ideas and make a gamejolt page, but almost no one can make an actual fangame
Or do I need to remind you about chinese kanako?
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>>724717979
I'll be laughing my ass off if this game somehow manages to come out when so many other fangames with bigger teams died on the path
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>pic
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>>724716651
Justice is the distribution of consequences for one's actions. Sin and forgiveness is the release of these consequences. There is no injustice inflicted on Ceroba nor Chujins.
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>>724714947
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>>724718941
Not even the worst downgrade from that fangame
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>>724719309
integrity's attack and how it scarred the family is an injustice. their actions are their own yet at the same time that road would not have been walked if it was not for the actions of another. the pacifist route quietly asks the question of "should the court show mercy on this character because their actions were due to extraneous circumstances" and then leaves the final decision in your hands. you can of course say that no, they do not deserve mercy but its still thematically about justice and its application.
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>>724719309
kanako's fate was an injustice and nothing you say will convince me otherwise
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>>724719759
dont worry, with the recent powers of IMAGINING I have imagined that her and clover BOTH come back to their FAMILIES after the barrier is BROKEN
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>>724719619
>integrity's attack and how it scarred the family is an injustice
it's hilarious how they lost nothing in that attack but decided to ruin their lives over it anyway. the dreemurs manage to be less spastic and they lost everything
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>>724720050
The risk of losing something will drive people just as far, sometimes further, than actual loss.
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>>724720050
no its ok that tons of people you know just got slaughtered and your daughter nearly got killed as well because you didn't personally lose anything! you didn't lose the sense of security being locked in this shithole mountain may have given as a consolation prize for being trapped underground or anything
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>>724720097
>>724720210
it's the difference between getting shot by a robber and getting so scared of potential robbery you accidentally shoot yourself
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>>724720378
except in the second scenario its not just the potential of a robbery, but the potential of ANOTHER robbery. chujin absolutely fucked up, but it was spurred on by an actual mass murder right next to home.
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>>724720378
How apt are you to shoot someone out fear of them shooting you vs how apt are you to hunt them down in revenge for previously shooting you. That's what we're talking about here.

Chujin was afraid of what might happen, rather seeking revenge for something that already happened. Fear governed his actions, not anger.
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>>724719619
And Integrity got what was due when they got axed by Axis. That's justice. Preforming lab experiments and being imprisoned in a test tube until another two souls are collected is not. Letting someone walk free for child endangerment (Kanako's death) and attempted murder is the absence of consequences.
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>>724720512
>Preforming lab experiments and being imprisoned in a test tube until another two souls are collected is not. Letting someone walk free for child endangerment (Kanako's death) and attempted murder is the absence of consequences.
cool! I already made it clear that the game lets you make that final determination, but the theme is asking the question I laid out, you're jumping past the theme because you already know your conclusion on the matter
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>>724720050
kek
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>>724720586
And my question was what does Ceroba's goal of developing a serum have to do with the concept of justice? The decision whether or not she should die is tied to Clover as a character and not her.
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>>724704931
Yeah that happens sometimes. Slope collision is so bad, man. You go inside a little every time you hit the corner. Still trying to figure out what makes that happen.
As for going out of bounds, this is a quirk of how I handled sliding along the box colliders: if it notices you're going to clip inside, it pushes you out to the edge, so depending on the direction you're moving it might push you to the other side.
I'll design maps such that you can make your way back in if you go OOB, but I really need to fix the slopes issue.

>>724707803
This is actually original dialogue. I wrote it from scratch, only vaguely remembering what was spoken of in canon. So Jockington's speech pattern is my imitation of what I recall he sounded like (the typos are intentional). I have no clue how accurate I was.
I do struggle with brevity. I will look into shortening the lines, especially considering character limits.

>>724713506
He's intended to be a party member in Chapter 5, alongside Catti. Besides Temmie (whom I just can't find a good place for), everyone in this picture will show up at least once.

>>724707439
It doesn't work because I'm a complete fucking moron and used the x64 version of Love2D. I'll recompile for x86 and upload that in a bit. Note that Love does require Vista or later, so you'll probably need OneCore or to bust out the 7 machine.
Also I'll address the rest of your post when I upload since I'm close to the character limit
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>And my question was what does Ceroba's goal of developing a serum have to do with the concept of justice?
her actions were actions of desperation born of mistakes that were all born from the original injustice. sin and forgiveness taking ideas like "how far can someone fall before being unforgivable" and "what circumstances can we forgive what crimes for?" real courts take extraneous circumstances into consideration and the entire underground exists in a state of duress due to the original crime of humanity stuffing monsters down there. its up to you whether this is acceptable, but the fact remains that the question is being asked very very clearly and it goes out of its way to hand the final determination to you
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Game got rebranded again
Same artist as >>724697981 btw
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>>724719759
>injects herself with the soul her dad tortured
>said soul ended up there because of her
deserved
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>>724721186
How do your collisions work? Do they work by actively moving the player forward then back a square, or are they based on a potential future location and the player only gets moved if that potential location is valid?
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>>injects herself
wrong, the roberta injected the 'nako with the highly untested soul cancer serum, when she should have been a reasonable mother and not do it
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>>724705676
They can still dress up as specific professions like "mad scientist" or "royal guard", there is also always the possibility of dressing up as fictional characters
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God, they're adorable
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Here's the SURVEY_2 Concept Demo, compiled for 32-bit machines:
https://files.catbox.moe/22pozu.zip

And here's the Engine Demo by itself in case you want one but not the other:
https://files.catbox.moe/xoo2cp.zip

>>724707439
Alright, hopefully the build above works. Note Love2D only supports Vista and later: you might need to use the 7 machine if OneCore doesn't work.
>why bother with Kristal
To speed up development. It took two months to get where I am with the engine: at that pace, it would take at least another half year to put together what little I did for the concept demo. This was always meant to just be for this demo (or Chapter 1 if people want that); I still intend to go back to the in-house engine after.
>diagonally into a slope
I somehow never caught that in testing, haha. All the cases are hardcoded based on player velocity and direction faced, and I think I forgot to handle diagonals.
>sprite layering
Yeah I have no idea how to do that. In the future, I'll let you know what I came up with.
>Your engine is definitely coded better than mine
I'm gonna have to chalk that up to SDL, haha. I don't think I could do better with just the Win32 API.
Speaking of which, I did briefly check out your code, but have no idea what to suggest since I'm a dumbass who can't into BASIC. Maybe sometime I can try to take a closer look and throw out some ideas.
Performance wise, on my system (a Skylake laptop i5), CPU usage never goes above 1%, and RAM sits at about 12 MB. It does feel sluggish, though I think that's just the movement speed rather than a rendering issue: inputs feel quite responsive.

>>724722602
It's the latter. Sliding alongside box colliders is done by pushing the player out to its limits when their hitboxes overlap, and the slope collision is (supposed to be) based on this:
https://youtu.be/oom6R-M2lvQ
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I wish I could have intercourse with DRY!Melody
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>>724701789
no, but rosa doesnt care.
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>>724705676
Well, susie is a good hint of that, in deltarune ch1 she does say smthn like "well, its not like i can dress as a monster" after mentioning how she dressed up as a box once, so perhaps monsters dressing as monsters is considered weird and maybe its even seen the monster equivalent of blackface, so its either dressing up as fictional characters or dressing up as things that are obviously not monsters
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>>724724304
she deserves a tail
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>>724726796
I will simply imagine it
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>>724723345
How would the tradition have originated to begin with? Halloween came from people dressing as monsters to protect themselves when they believed the spirits of the dead would return to walk the earth. Either the costumes were camouflage meant to make the spirits believe they were just another evil spirit, or they were meant to scare them off.
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>>724678930
Fujo art never ceases to be hilarious to me
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>>724725889
why?
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>>724725460
>To speed up development
I think this is going to have the opposite effect. If you develop a large chunk of the game in Kristal, then switch to another engine later, you're basically going to have to make two games.

> Note Love2D only supports Vista and later: you might need to use the 7 machine if OneCore doesn't work
I tested it, and it doesn't work on XP. However it runs greats on One Core, much better than older versions of Game Maker or Godot.

I do have some more creative critiques though.
>1
I understand that you're going with the "Kris is Frisk" idea, but I feel going as far as calling him Frisk is a bit too on the nose. I think it'd be better to start off the same, but slowly ease the player in to the changes. that way it makes the whole "deltarune from an alternate timeline angle more effective. Instead of calling him Frisk, you could still call him Kris, but have him act more like Frisk, and maybe reveal later that his name was changed to Kris when he was adopted by the Dreemurrs.

I do prefer the old Kris is Chara theory and think it fits Kris better and makes for a better story, but that's a matter of personal opinion, so I won't press you on it.
>2
I think giving Gaster a talk sound in the opening is a bad call. Its, again, too unsubtle, and just sounds bad. It brings down the mood in what was originally a very strong mysterious opening. I would suggest giving him no talk sound at all in the opening, possibly throughout the whole game.
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>>724725889
Gizmo...
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>>724729613
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8B_a0ZHNj8
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>>724733161
Are you drawing a new image every time this thread reaches page 10?
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>>724714835
i thought the core of the conflict was to apply justice (or retribution, as flowey puts it) however you see fit, whether by offering your soul or killing them all
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>>724733737
ain't the og artist
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>>724683261
Her tail going faster is a great touch
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>>724721575
i had no fucking idea there were so many fangames being in development
even if they are just project that are obviously never coming out
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>>724735585
there are hundreds of them, just search on gamejolt for undertale and you'll see, most with years since the last post as they have been abandoned
I try to follow the few I think have hope to succeed and post updates on the threads
like the green sans one that just updated
https://gamejolt.com/p/progress-video-wip-eiqgvmqh
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>>724737472
Overworld kind of reminds me of Chrono Trigger.
But anyways, why does a literal shitpost game need an entire overworld with unique enemies? I think most of these games remain unfinished from being over-polished (and that also goes for UTY). It's like each game is trying to one-up the other.
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>>724738146
that's called overscoping, and is what kills most fanprojects
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>>724730783
>you're basically going to have to make two games
That's true. Remaking just the prologue shouldn't be a big setback, at least. Another option is just making the whole game in Kristal, and with what you've said about compatibility, I might more seriously consider that.

>Kris is Frisk
I'd joke about the fix being to change your fun value to 6, but you can't even save in this demo lmao. Shift + ~ opens up a debug menu where you can change flags, then reload the room with a tempsave.
There are several reasons I did this, but most currently relevant is that I think it preserves some misdirection from the original DR release. Just as people immediately thought of Chara when first seeing Kris, seeing the name Frisk would bring to mind popular "uwu pacifism baby" headcanons, overlooking the cruel things the character could do in UT. Frisk living with Toriel is also a nod to "UT surface sequel" assumptions.
There will be some nods to Kris is Chara. The idea is that Frisk and Chara are more similar than Asriel gave them credit for at the end of UT. And for what it's worth, the story was originally conceived with Chara as the protagonist, which may become more clear later on.
I see your point about easing in players to the changes, though. And I do like your idea of the name being changed when adopted by the Dreemurrs. I'll keep your suggestions in mind and see what others might say.

>Gaster
Yeah I went back and forth on that. It's already very blatant who's talking so I'll remove it, though it sounds kinda awkward with Toriel having a voice. I originally planned for him to use the Entry 17 voice blips later in the game, but I really like your "no voice" idea and will definitely consider it.

Thanks a lot for your feedback.
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>>724738821
I think you should make it so that fun value being 6 makes the protag be called frisk, otherwise its named kris
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>>724738821
>and with what you've said about compatibility
One Core API is an unstable janky solution, its at the point now where I really wouldn't target it as a platform. I have to use it in a dual boot configuration because it has so many major bugs and issues that it can't be used on my main OS install. So if you use Kristal, you should consider your minimum requirements to be Windows Vista or newer. There's also the serious risk that it drops support for Vista at some point.

I'd say Kristal would make a better choice than Godot if you were forced to use a premade engine, but I'd still avoid it if possible. Personally (this is me speaking about myself, not making a suggestion) I'd use an old version of GameMaker, probably Studio 1 or GameMaker 8, if I had to give up on using my own engine.

> seeing the name Frisk would bring to mind popular "uwu pacifism baby" headcanons, overlooking the cruel things the character could do in UT.
I see what you're going for, but I think this might be the Ryan Johnson kind of misdirection, rather than the Toby Fox kind. I think the name just doesn't fit him. Its just off putting and takes me out of the moment. And I feel that whatever benefit might be gained from it would outweighed by the harm it causes. Maybe you could flip it so the character is named Frisk in a fun event rather than the other way around. Maybe even add an option for him to be named Chara (that being the name the player enters) in another fun event.

>, though it sounds kinda awkward with Toriel having a voice
Maybe consider removing her voice from the intro too. You don't hear Kanako's voice in DRY's intro, and it works.

As a side note, I think Gaster's dialogue there could stand to be more vague, and should probably reference the previous survey, possibly with some short and vague comment about things being different. Perhaps something about meeting again, and him having something new to show you
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Honest question.
How many of you see yourselves in Riley?
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>>724738821
I noticed an unfun value being mentioned in the console. Does that mean it causes things to be removed or not happen, instead of fun which cases things to be present or happen, or does that mean it causes unpleasant things to happen?
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>>724740865
I find his plight to be sympathetic. I too just want to be left alone, and also really want a monster gf.
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>>724740865
Riley is too feminine, I would rather see myself IN Riley if you catch my drift
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>>724740960
His main plight, is simply wanting to live a peaceful life and having a place to call home.
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>>724740865
He will marry his monster gf and be happy
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>>724740865
do we know enough about him for people to see themselves in him?
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We know he's from an orphanage, probably the same one Clover came from
Not looking good for Rileyfans...
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>>724741667
He will job to Mr Sunshine
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Isn't he supposed to be with Sadie?
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>>724740576
>I have to use it in a dual boot configuration because it has so many major bugs and issues
Oh, I was wondering about that earlier. I thought you found a way to disable it without uninstalling the service pack.
Yeah, if I do go with Kristal, I'd explicitly say it's for Vista and later. Even if Love2D does drop support for it, I'll probably version lock myself to the Kristal version that does, or possibly look into what exactly Love2D uses from later versions of the Windows API.

>I think the name just doesn't fit him
Definitely leaning into Rian Johnson territory, but that's part of the appeal for me. I like the dichotomy of a disturbed individual having a pleasant sounding name.

>>724740151
>I think you should make it so that fun value being 6 makes the protag be called frisk
>Maybe you could flip it so the character is named Frisk in a fun event
That's the backup plan. I'll probably go through with it if more people voice the same concern. I also have an idea for where to use the name Frisk in the future that would fit way more than the reverse.

>I think Gaster's dialogue there could stand to be more vague, and should probably reference the previous survey
Yeah, I felt like my intro dialogue was very on the nose: I'm bad with subtlety. I'd like to refine it in the future.
As for referencing the previous survey, this is a cool idea, but for plot reasons it unfortunately can't work in this moment. He will definitely mention something of the sort in the future, and I'll think about where else to sneak it in (eg. the menus).
Also, my idea for the Gamejolt/Itch pages (whenever I may actually publish this game) is for it to be presented in-character as Gaster.

>>724740890
At the end of the day, it's just a second fun value. I do intend for its events to be of the more unpleasant kind to live up to the name. But having two fun values allows for rare events that "roll twice" by checking both
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For Deltarune Yellow
>Major changes to chapter 1 (new enemies, tweaked story, new miniboss, weird route was replaced with a different route
How do you get the different route I can't figure it out
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>>724743826
do you want just hints or full spoiler guide?
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>>724743826
there's a guide on reddit.com
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>>724744132
Just a hint. I'm thinking it has to do with KO Pennilton and then KO Bearing? Cause Kanako lost her shit with Pennilton
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>>724744212
pretty much just do stuff that makes kanako angry, that includes bearing the enemies violently and losing the minigames too much
if you've seen kanako beating the shit out of pennilton then you're already on track
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>>724738669
it's one thing i appreciate about UTY, despite all of its flaws, it's pretty focused on one plot only and "secrets", easter eggs or lore is kept to a minimal

just them not using or referencing sans or gaster in any manner is already unbelievable for an undertale fangame
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>>724744389
Wait what? I've treated everyone with utter kindness. I've spared everyone and only lost the memory minigame once. I reloaded a save after beating Pennilton so as of now I'm still a saint
To spare the enemies I have beaten a lot of them to the brink, maybe that's done it?
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>>724743826
what deltarune yellow game are people playing, is it the one made by toastemperor? because that page says that there is another one that is being worked on
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>>724744870
yes the toasteremperor one is DRY1, it has a playable build that goes up to half of chapter 2 (chapter 2 is very unfinished still), and there will be a patch coming up in the next few days to fix some bugs
there is also DRY2 by another anon (deltaruneyellowguy on gamejolt) but it has no playable build yet
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>>724743491
His ADHD extends to his love life as well
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>>724744964
Does DRY2 plan on releasing its first playable version with that name, or will it just be "Deltarune Yellow" like DRY1?
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How many of you see yourselves in the protagonists of Undertale/Deltarune in general?
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>>724743590
>Definitely leaning into Rian Johnson territory, but that's part of the appeal for me.
If I were you, I'd be careful. You're playing matches here and could very easily get burned, and if you're not careful, burn up any good will the player has towards the story.

>. I like the dichotomy of a disturbed individual having a pleasant sounding name.
I feel like if you just changed the spelling of Kris to Chris it would accomplish the same goal.

>but for plot reasons it unfortunately can't work in this moment.
I assume there still was a previous survey, considering the name. I don't want to get things spoiled, so I'll just take your word on it that these two things aren't contradictory.

In the meantime, maybe you could just make it something like "And so we meet again". That could refer to Undertale or the Twitter takeover just as easily as it could refer to Deltarune chapter 1.

Unrelated tangent, but I had another idea for that Marsch character. Instead of having a watch that stops time, he has a watch that skips forward in time. That would fit more with his whole schtich about inevitable fate. In universe, when he skips time its actually causing things to play out on autopilot, the characters acting as they would if you weren't involved. Obviously, the characters are practically worthless in a fight without (you) at least against a schizoboss. However, to (you) it appears as though you were just in one place, and now you're in another. More importantly, it also appears this way to your party. They have no memory of the skipped time, since it was a different version of them that lived through it. Non-party members, however, see time flow normally.

Yes, this is literally King Crimson, but it fits and would absolutely work as a schizo boss ability, and would tie in great with that weird shit Sans did in Undertale.
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>>724746096
I see (me) in all of them.
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>>724746283
how would that work gameplay wise?
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>>724746813
you remember Sans's weird cut to black teleport attack? Its that. Optionally, it also can lower party member HPs (maybe not though as this might make things too unfair).
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>>724746096
I see myself in Kris and Dalv
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>>724746813
I just thought of something. He could skip your turn. So when he does that, it skips the part where you choose characters actions and goes straight to the characters acting, with their actions being decided automatically.

You'd have to limit this ability so the fight doesn't become completely unfair, but it could be a cool special attack that he could telegraph a turn prior, and maybe you can warn your party members so they know a turn ahead of time what move to make.
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>>724747785
Dalv is a protagonist?
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>>724748416
He's the protagonist of a game...in my mind
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>>724749123
what kind of game would dalv even star in?
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>>724749496
Pipe Organ Training?
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>What's stopped /v/ anons from visiting Yellow threads?
Speaking for myself, I've been stuck into college hell for the last few months, and I won't be free until December (and that's only if I don't fail these last few classes)
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>>724749939
hang in there, spammo
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>>724749939
But I do check the threads once in a while. It's nice to see some people still care.
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>>724750008
Well, I am in fact nearly hanging myself here
thanks bud, can't wait for this bullshit to be over
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>>724740865
Cute girl
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>>724749496
It begins when he moves into snowdin and he builds his social life
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>>724751351
persona-like?
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>>724680502
You're right.
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>>724682997
It's funny I was kind of meh on UT Yellow but I'm excited as fuck for DR Yellow
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>>724749496
fujo dating sim
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>>724691880
>>724691918
>>724691990
for the daytime crowd,
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>>724749939
It still baffles me why people decide to go to college in current year when it's been horrendously bad proposition for 17 years now.
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>>724750406
Nta, but worst case scenario you can just drop out. You'd be amazed how liberating saying fuck it can be.
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>>724746283
>You're playing matches here and could very easily get burned
I should probably clarify that similarities to Rian Johnson aren't the appeal, but the unfittingness of the name. I've only seen a handful of his works, but my understanding of this criticism is that his subversion often feels overly spiteful or demeaning. I agree that is pretty stupid, and I hope to generally avoid it.

>if you just changed the spelling of Kris to Chris it would accomplish the same goal
Perhaps, but I like the Frisk anagram. It does evoke imagery of Chara, but the parallels should be stronger with Kris.

>In the meantime, maybe you could just make it something like "And so we meet again".
I really like this idea: it fits the context of the intro while holding a double meaning. But since we're shown the tail end of the conversation, it'll be hard to fit that in. I'll try to make it work.

>Unrelated
This was the working title before survey 2 btw. It was either that or nutdealer.

I really like your "skip forward in time" idea. It could be interpreted multiple ways, like the Sans blackouts or already chosen acts as you've said. Building off your second idea, you could also select an option, and suddenly you're doing something different, or the battle box just immediately comes up without the attack/act having gone off.
Even if we may have seen it before with King Crimson, I think the interactive medium makes taking this on have a very different feel from watching it play out as a reader.
By the way I have never read Alice in Wonderland. I really should, especially if I'm going to be drawing parallels to it here.
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I'm kind of dumb, anyone know how you get DRY running on a Steam Deck?
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>>724753337
Maybe cause people are being brainwashed from birth into thinking its a requirement and they have to make the college decision when they know nothing about the real world
At least my younger sister learned from my mistakes
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>>724754376
just add the exe to steam and then set it to use proton compatibility
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>>724753337
Many careers require a bachelor's to break into the field at all, even if it's one wholly irrelevant to the job at hand. I went to college since I was interested in engineering, which is near impossible to get into without a degree (at least in the US).
In retrospect, it would have been more productive and healthier for me to consider a different career path than have to deal with the inane mess that is university. Some destinations aren't worth the journey.
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>>724754542
How do that
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>>724754782
go into desktop mode, extract the DRY zip somewhere, right click on the exe and then "add to steam"
on steam, right click on DRY's entry, then on the compatibility tab, check the thing and select proton (preferably the latest version)
you can do that to run pretty much any .exe game including naranja and other fangames
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>>724753753
>I've only seen a handful of his works, but my understanding of this criticism is that his subversion often feels overly spiteful or demeaning.
That is a big problem, but its not just that. Its also that its cheap and often wasteful. He has all these genuinely cool ideas and premises that he just throws away for a cheap gotcha. My point is that just because something is different or throws people off doesn't mean its good, you need a reason for these kind of things beyond that, and it has to work in context and still feel right.

>It was either that or nutdealer.
That would only work as the title of a porn game.

> or the battle box just immediately comes up without the attack/act having gone off.
I just thought of a way to tie it in to a callback. When he skips your choice, it cuts to black then straight to his turn, then Marsch says "Don't you get it?. In this world, your choices don't matter."

>, I think the interactive medium makes taking this on have a very different feel from watching it play out as a reader.
Its funny you bring that up, because King Crimson was actually a bit of a meta play its medium itself. In universe its a time skip, but the real idea with it is that its based on the inferred action between manga panels. You see one panel with a character in one place, then another panel with him in another place, and you infer the motion and actions between those panels. King Crimson basically skips a manga panel, causing more actions to be inferred.

>By the way I have never read Alice in Wonderland. I really should,
I'd say read it and watch the Tim Burton movie. The novel is self explanatory, but the movie adds an extra layer by it being an adaptation of the book, but also a sequel to it, and including a lot of elements of prophecy, destiny, and repeated history. All stuff that I think is thematically relevant here.
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>>724754782
There is a "add steam game" button on the bottom left corner of your library, press it and select the "add non steam game" option from the dropdown menu, add the exe file, then right click on it and select the "properties" option, go to the "compability" section in the menu and check the box there
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>>724755154
Carol would probably strangle UTY Ceroba
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>>724721575
>futility of releasing a fangame
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>>724754442
I know that, its just after a certain point the grift wears thin. Eventually you get to a point where there are more people who have been burned by college than there people who actually got careers out of it.

I was onto the education industries bullshit by the time I got to junior high. I saw all the people I knew with degrees (multiple degrees per person mind you, some as high as masters) being shackled to debt that they had no other choice than to die with, and no job because no one was hiring in the field. Meanwhile even the high school drop outs I knew were doing fine in the trades.

>>724754737
>engineering
Ok, that's fair. Engineering took longer to become completely overcrowded than the other educated fields, so its understandable for you to think it might be worth it to go into.
>Some destinations aren't worth the journey.
For your sake, I hope the destination still exists by the time you get out.
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>>724755307
She can try.
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>>724755307
She would definitely slap her if she knew what she did
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>>724755154
What are they fighting over?
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>>724755307
Ceroba assisted in crimes against humanity while Carol has literally done nothing wrong so far
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>>724755815
> while Carol has literally done nothing wrong so far
apart from orchestrating the roaring plot and setting her daughter up to be groomed by (you)
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What would the equivalent of this be for the fangame protagonists?
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>>724756673
how about this
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>>724756673
Clover becomes the Mysterious Stranger at the end.
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>>724756673
I can't decide whether Val's would look like this or a Baki character.
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>>724756673
Someone already made this but for Clover
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>>724757056
GUNS FOR HANDS
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>>724756818
>>724757056
I meant less so in a 1 to 1 "what kind of photo realistic monstrosity will they become" and moreso what kind of changes or development would the characters have over the course of a genocide route, using Frisk slowly becoming less visibly human as an example.
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>Look up UTY on youtube once
>Undertale Red and Yellow fills my recommended
what is it and why is he a ghost now
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>>724757038
Val seems like an asshole and he entered the underground looking for a challenge, so LV20 Val would probably be just Yujiro
What would LV20 Riley be then?
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>>724757540
tl;dr: faggot wants to ship cloverXchara
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>>724753437
It's not right to quit when you're that close to the end. Though, if I fail the internship now I'm just giving up.
>>724753337
People from my parent's generation just don't understand how much shit has changed since their youth. At least I have a scholarship so I won't come out of this with debt.
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>>724757540
mod made by a Clover x Chara shipper. Turns Clover into a girl with a completely different personality for the purposes of shipping with Chara.
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>>724757605
You can do it anon! If nothing else, at least your degree will give you bragging rights.
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>>724757605
>It's not right to quit when you're that close to the end
I'm not saying you should quit. Just saying that its a better option than roping if you ever decide you really can't take it anymore.
>People from my parent's generation just don't understand how much shit has changed since their youth
I'm gonna guess you have old parents. Even most parents these days were royally screwed by college because of how long this has been going on.
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>>724757720
>>724757851
I guess I should clarify I don't live at the US, so the rules aren't really the same here.
Pressure mostly comes from my father, who dropped out of middle school and got fucked in life later due to that.
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>>724757676
>Turns Clover into a girl with a completely different personality for the purposes of shipping with Chara.
What
Why
He's explicitly a boy. it's Chara that's ambiguous.
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>>724757581
>What would LV20 Riley be then?
I don't know. The issue with Riley is that we don't know much about him personality wise. We know that he wanted to be a fighter, but wasn't a very good one on the surface. We know that he was so distraught over failing as a fighter that he tried to kill himself. And we know that by falling into the underground he's now become a big fish in a small pond.

There's a number of different ways you could take this. He could become an asshole who goes around picking fights like Yujiro, he could become a bully who goes around picking on people weaker than himself to feel strong, sort of like your average Hokuto Ken villain, he could be an absolute psychopath who does anything to survive, killing anyone who learns who he really is without remorse, like Kira, he could go around doing all manner of evil shit chasing LV to get stronger so that no one can ever threat him again, sort of like a sith lord (could make for good drama with Luna).
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>>724758046
>Why
Shipping.
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>>724757996
That changes things. I was only speaking for the US side of things. I have no clue what things are like in your country. Things could be going great there for all I know.
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>>724758663
I've spoken to some engineering students. Job market isn't looking great for them.
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>>724757596
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So what I'm getting from this is that even I could make a UT fangame.
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>>724758835
Yeah, you can.
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>>724759046
Dang
think I should?
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>>724758835
>>724759123
anyone can, but you at least need a brain to make it good (see: deltatraveler)
so you're probably fine
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>>724759123
You got any cool ideas for one?
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>>724759123
>think I should?
What fangame do you want to make?
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>>724759224
idk
random off the top of my head idea:
UnderGear - It's Undertale with 2D Metal Gear sneaking. Enemies join mid-battle if you don't finish battles quick. Avoid getting hit for three turns to 'evade' an enemy.
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I thought about making a /v/ themed undertale with some stupid memes, but then I realized /v/ndertale looks like that annoying meme so I stopped having ideas.
Also there's like, 2 memes sort of related around Undertale/Deltarune on /v/ I can really think of and I feel like it'd be a problem to include either either one.
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>>724759616
>but then I realized /v/ndertale looks like that annoying meme so I stopped having ideas.
That's half the fun anon.
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>>724759616
The thing is: You don't have to publish it under your name or any name. So if you made a giant shitpost nobody would know.
Remember this game is made by Toby "Radiation" Fox, you think he doesn't know about shitposts?
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>>724759417
That's a really cool idea. Thematically that would work very well for a game set in New Home or another crowded area, with an emphasis on difficulty and trying to survive. It will be tempting to kill monsters to get away faster and become stronger, but the more you kill the more panicked and dangerous the city becomes. Think of Dishonored and the chaos system.
>>724759616
The good way of doing it would be like Pokémon Clover, which desu was a massive collaborative effort. It's a shitpost, but with an actual story and high-quality design. Mons weren't all Pokémon memes but mostly assorted internet humor, which was made it great.
>2 memes sort of related around Undertale/Deltarune on /v/ I can really think of and I feel like it'd be a problem to include either either one
A rape-centered game would be interesting to say the least. If you were going that route I would prefer Deltarune but in the style of Fear and Hunger.
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>>724759616
I do have an urge to include /v/ or /vrpg/ references if I ever make a fan game. I do also fear getting stoned if normalfags find out my connections to here.
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>>724759616
What annoying meme?
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>>724759164
>>724759224
>>724759264
everything is the same but 'Fight' is replaced with 'Fuck'.
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>>724759417
What would the plot premise be?
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>>724759775
> Thematically that would work very well for a game set in New Home or another crowded area, with an emphasis on difficulty and trying to survive. It will be tempting to kill monsters to get away faster and become stronger, but the more you kill the more panicked and dangerous the city becomes. Think of Dishonored and the chaos system.
Oh I was thinking the whole game, but that makes more sense.
idk I guess I would need a story or a reason you're there that's metal-gear esque. Like maybe you were sent in by the Human government to see if they had the capability of launching a nuclear weapon an attack on the surface and then you got stuck inside.
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>>724759814
The fucking stupid shit retards do where they reply thrvkenvke to themselves like 10 times over when they say something fucking dumb.
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>>724759834
>Everything except the name of the button remains the same
>Even its function
>Fucking the enemies still kills them
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>>724759953
You're lowered in to see if the Monsters have all seven souls yet, the plot twist would be You were lowered in intentionally to give them the last soul
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>>724760031
Fangame where you play as Mr. Sunshine?
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>>724759775
>A rape-centered game would be interesting to say the least. If you were going that route I would prefer Deltarune but in the style of Fear and Hunger.
I feel like the running joke would be that despite it being called "Tricky Tony 'Toxicity' Fawkes's Rape Quest" it has almost no actual rape in it. All the sex is completely consensual and most of it isn't sexual at all.
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>>724759783
Toby posted here back in the day, and likely still posts here since everything is anonymous. No one cares if you post on /v/.
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>>724759783
I'm going to add a reference to 4chan itself in mine, the undernet must have its own equivalent to this basket weaving forum, an anonymous website with a not so subtle name like "the clover" or something like that
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>>724760031
Finally.
We can actually fuck all of them, every day.
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>>724759969
>>724760150
What if instead of an actual government operative, its a kid larping as a government operative?

The game needs to have wacky Metal Gear style villains, so what would they be?
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>>724760018
tvrtvenvke
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>>724760198
No, a fangame where (you) play
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>>724760198
who drew this?
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>>724760425
That's more thematic. A kid dressing in camo thinking he's been sent on a top-secret government op because a voice on a little toy radio he has instructed him to do so. Unknown to him, the voice was coming from inside the mountain all along.

>The game needs to have wacky Metal Gear style villains, so what would they be?
Probably just the regular monsters but he puts a melodramatic spin on all of them.
>That's Un-Dyne, Snake. famous knight of the underground who's capable of tearing a human clean in half! She's a cold-hearted killer, Snake!
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>>724760715
>Proceed
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>>724760857
>Unknown to him, the voice was coming from inside the mountain all along.
That sounds like an interesting character.

>Probably just the regular monsters but he puts a melodramatic spin on all of them.
Maybe it could be the mercs from the core. You could make up a whole mercenary company their working for, with its own command structure and leadership. They could be like a monster Fox Hound.
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>>724760820
I think it might be signirsol, the lineart looks similar to his
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>>724761103
>Maybe it could be the mercs from the core. You could make up a whole mercenary company their working for, with its own command structure and leadership. They could be like a monster Fox Hound.
Oh that's a better idea. they could get quirky personalities to go along with them.

I don't know this is sounding like a good idea. What color would the soul be?
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>>724761194
>What color would the soul be?
You could make up a new color, I've seen the idea of a "loyalty soul" talked about before
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>>724760635
Oh shit, you're right I misspelled it.
Still annoyed by it though.
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DRY1 Martlet is now Milflet, and DRY1anon should be applauded for this. and also her talksprites
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>>724761194
>they could get quirky personalities to go along with them.
I already have an idea for one. A sasquatch who wears thick black sunglasses (think like the terminator), smokes a cigar, and plays the bass guitar, but he's also this amazing tracker who's said to be impossible to evade. He will interrupt tense scenes to hit a crazy slap bass solo.

Also already have an idea for a gag. They all have codenames like Decoy Octopus or Psycho Mantis, but because they're monsters they're also literally things like mantises and octopi. Except each member has an unfitting nickname that would much better describe someone else on the team. Like the octopus would be called Mantis, and the mantis would be called Octopus.

>What color would the soul be?
I would say perseverance since that best fits the personality and gameplay described by you, but he probably couldn't be THE purple soul seen in Undertale since he doesn't seem like the type to wear cloudy glasses and use a torn notebook as a weapon.

Maybe he's just another human that fell down, maybe this is an au where he fell instead of one of the other humans.
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>>724761397
I wasn't even trying to point anything out, I was just shitposting.
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>>724761698
I think she looks younger with long hair.
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>>724761194
>What color would the soul be?
Patience seems like it would fit the most with the stealth gameplay
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>>724761870
>Also already have an idea for a gag. They all have codenames like Decoy Octopus or Psycho Mantis, but because they're monsters they're also literally things like mantises and octopi. Except each member has an unfitting nickname that would much better describe someone else on the team. Like the octopus would be called Mantis, and the mantis would be called Octopus.
That's actually not a bad gag
Guess I'm on the hook to make a fan game now
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>>724761359
>I've seen the idea of a "loyalty soul" talked about before
What color would that be?
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>>724762279
Burnt orange with burgundy stripes
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>>724761698
I have been brainwashed by Sig for Milflet Supremacy
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>thread up
>in bed
>want to draw something
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>>724762279
Indigo/deep blue because thats the color asociated with loyalty
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>>724762165
>Guess I'm on the hook to make a fan game now
Welcome to the club, at this rate we might have enough games to make our own Underevent with blackjack and hookers
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>>724762428
tnat's integrity's color though.
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>>724761103
>>724761870
>>724762165
What would the goal of the mercenary group be?
My current idea is that they conspiring against Asgore, Like they wanted to take the human souls for themselves and cross the barrier, but now that there is a human in the underground their plans changed and they want to capture you
Hell you could make it sort of a twist where at first they seem to be loyal to Asgore but then its revealed that the leader wants your soul for himself
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>>724762412
Put entire compooter in bed
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>>724762551
Light blue then? Or a color between cyan and green
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>>724762165
>Guess I'm on the hook to make a fan game now
If you want to make it have different gameplay from normal Undertale, you'll probably have to learn to use something like Godot or Gamemaker to make the game custom. If you're going to copy it, there are a few open source projects like Kristal that do most of the work.

Personally, I would suggest starting with something small. Like a single fight fangame (could use Unitale if its going to be in the normal Undertale style).

In the mean time, I'm happy to keep thinking of character ideas. Like Sentry Raven and Iron Mollusc. Sentry Raven is a possessed pitching machine who snipes people with baseballs. He earned his name for his role as a sentry, and his morose attitude reminding people of the Edgar Allen Poe story. Unfortunately he no eyes, so his spotter has to tell him where to aim. His spotter, Iron Mollusc, is a black bird monster who uses his natural flight to gather reconnaissance and spot for his teammates. His name comes from his habit of cracking snails against hard metal surfaces.
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>>724762412
You can draw in bed. That's the only way I draw.
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>>724762719
I was thinking that since your character was tricked into going into the underground by his "commander" on the radio, that they were deceived by said "commander" as well. Perhaps whoever is on the other end of the radio is trying to get both sides to wipe each other out so he can swoop in and take the soul for himself, alongside eliminating whatever threat the mercs pose to him (possibly he wants to take over the underground, and the mercs are the only actual threat who would be able and willing to stop him).
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>>724762719
>What would the goal of the mercenary group be?
Has to be Metal Gear.
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>>724763325
What if they have somehow come into possession of a human built robot, and they're trying to reactivate it for their own use?
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>>724763262
>(possibly he wants to take over the underground, and the mercs are the only actual threat who would be able and willing to stop him).
What about Asgore?
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>>724761870
>Maybe he's just another human that fell down, maybe this is an au where he fell instead of one of the other humans.
>>724763262
If the commander is a boss monster you could still make this entire thing fit in the canon, just have one of the endings be the kid killing the boss and then going back to the surface or maybe the commander sees the error of his way and gives up his soul so the kid can go back to the surface
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>>724763615
That's what the soul is for.
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>>724763262
I prefer the idea of the mercs being absolutely loyal to the commander and believing that it would be for the best if he gets the human soul, with the idea that Asgore is too much of a softy to actually go with his plan to liberate all of monsterkind
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>>724763827
Maybe the mercs' leader is the boss monster, and he dies to the radio guy's inevitable betrayal, but before he dies, he tells the player to take his soul and leave the underground so he can deny it to the radio guy.

Alternatively, maybe if you refuse to kill Mr Radio, that just gets you the stay in the underground ending. Or you could have it so he dies anyways, possibly due to his own hubris, or because one of the mercs takes him out as revenge.
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>>724763489
They come into possession of a forklift and think that's the deadly human weapon that will let them take over the underground.
Unfortunately that forklift is carrying a bomb, that is armed, and they don't understand what it is other than 'came with the forklift'.
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>>724764132
Those things aren't mutually exclusive. They could be die hard loyal, and completely unaware that he's just using them.

I think the idea of the human kid having a "commander" that he's constantly taking orders from over radio would be cool, especially if said commander becomes the third act twist villain.
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>>724764231
They found one broken down forklift and rebuilt it into the shape of a mini metal gear thinking that was its original form, the bomb was added later
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>>724764289
>They could be die hard loyal, and completely unaware that he's just using them.
Okay but what if, when it's revealed that he was using them, they are still fully loyak to him, either as a way to cope or they just agree with his goal
Or maybe they loyalty canges if you are doing a pacifist route or a geno one, they remain loyal in genocide
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>>724764418
Have it look like a P-5000 Powered Work Loader since that's basically a sci-fi forklift already.
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>>724764231
I think the point of these guys is that they aren't stupid or incompetent like the royal guard. I feel like they shouldn't be doing something that stupid.

Maybe they know its basically a fork lift, but its like a big sci fi fork lift like the power loader from aliens, so its still dangerous enough to actually be an asset. And that bomb is their emergency anti human counter measure.
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>>724764529
I feel like there wouldn't be any of them left to realize he's evil in the genocide route. Maybe while he and the last surviving member are escaping, he locks the other guy in with you in an attempt to slow you down while he escapes, and its only then that the last member realizes their leader never cared for any of them.
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>>724764680
>>724764529
I like that, very metal gear
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>>724765224
So, we are keeping loyalty as a theme in the game?
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>>724765304
Sure, why not. You can play with the idea of someone being loyal to someone they shouldn't. With the mercs being loyal because they were lied to and manipulated, while the kid is loyal because he's a dumb kid who throws around his loyalty too freely. You can also have the mercs be loyal for different reasons. Maybe one is actually loyal to monsterkind, but thinks going against Asgore is the best way to do that. Another joined up because of his friends joining. Another was taken in and practically raised from nothing by the commander. And another is only there because of the high pay and job security. You can examine why people are loyal, what the limits of loyalty should be, and how far people are willing to go for it.
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>>724765575
The protagonist could be a kid who wandered aimlessly through life and just wanted something to give him a purpose, he instantly became loyal to the comnder without a second thought because the commander gave him just that, he didn't have to think anymore, just follow the simple orders
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>>724765575
that's big boss' whole backstory
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>>724765845
Which one?
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>>724765980
Taking in the misfits of society and making a fighting team out of them
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>>724765796
Yeah, the kid is looking for a purpose in life. Wants to be a hero like the guys in his favorite action movies. He'd be prime recruiter bait if he were a few years older. But instead he's running around in the woods with a nerf gun shooting at trees. He was probably on a "special mission" (some older kids dared him to do it) to Mt Ebott and was sending one way transmissions (talking to nobody) back to base through his walkie talkie, when he received the commander's distress call. Upon hearing the perfect setup for an 80s action blockbuster, he eagerly climbed down the hole the voice on the radio told him about and went after those evil underground monster terrorists.
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>>724766223
I'm pretty sure that's also the backstory of the A-team, and the X-men. Its a pretty common trope.
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>>724760198
What do you do in the Mr Sunshine game?
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>>724767156
fuck enemies to death
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>>724742638
Is Mr. Sunshine racist like Chujin? What more does he want from Riley?
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>>724768130
No, he's not racist. He *loves* humans. Whether they like it or not.
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>>724768130
He wants to see the sun (the surface). We don't know what that means but he might have an obsession with Riley, probably the only human he's seen (though that depends on the timeline and how long monsters are imprisoned). Why not toy with him, kick his ass and then let him live so he can watch Riley seethe and obsess on getting revenge, hence giving Mr. Sunshine reciprocal attention?
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>>724746096
I used to be Charakin
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>>724768645
Two possible theories for him.
1. Mr. Sunshine is a boss monster and wants Riley's soul to escape the Underground. Ultimately, he doesn't care for the fate of the other monsters.
2. Based on this letter, Mr. Sunshine sees himself as a "hero" and protector of monsters, and he sees Riley as a human who stepped into his territory. Maybe he thinks he's doing the right thing by killing Riley. The last line of the letter doesn't make sense though, and could literally mean anything.
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>>724769009
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>>724769232
>. Mr. Sunshine is a boss monster and wants Riley's soul to escape the Underground
He doesn't need to be a boss monster to do that.

I'm pretty sure he's got an ego which borders on a god complex, and wants Riley's soul to make himself an actual god. Probably so he can force everyone in the ground to adore him like he's the real sun.
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Mouselet
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Can you guys make us a Legend of Tenna game pretty please?
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>>724771173
Boy have I got the fangame for you
https://drmelon.itch.io/mantle
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>>724771460
I want Tenna's game.
Imagine that you can put italics in posts and Tenna is italicized.
Maybe imagine it Yellow like it's an important detail too.
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>>724738821
>>724730783
Ive always thought kris was just a combination of both humans (frisk and chara). That makes the most sense to me, since trying to fit kris solely into one or the other just misses aspects of their character. Kris has personality, physical and other traits of both of the humans
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>>724738821
also since you are doing the kris frisk thing I recommend watching this video by golden anomaly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC73FZ9QgdI&t=3459s
its a very deep investigation of the similarities and connections kris has with frisk
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>>724772926
I tend to subscribe to this theory too. Specifically one in which he's based off the original human in Undertale's script from before Toby split Frisk and Chara into separate characters.
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>>724773517
>Specifically one in which he's based off the original human in Undertale's script from before Toby split Frisk and Chara into separate characters.
yeah that theory could be the right one. Explains why they have similarities to both humans while also kinda being their own thing
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>>724768130
his goal is to fuck one creature of every species
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>>724768130
If there were a lot of monsters like this during the war, it makes sense why the war happened
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>>724769664
Cheesed to meet her?
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>>724775075
You think two Mr Sunshines would tolerate each other's existence?
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>>724775917
we already have a bunch of mr sunshines in real life who "co-exist" with each other, so yes. Whats the worst thing that could happen
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>>724776296
There can only be one sun. Whoever is left alive after the rapening is the true helios. All others are but dust in the wind.
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>>724776482
> All others are but dust in the wind.
and corpses used to build the sun throne
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>>724776667
monsters don't leave corpses
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>>724777152
its a figure of speech...but fine uh hum dust used to build the dust sun throne
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>>724769232
how did he write that letter?
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These two shall marry! The prophecy is absolute!
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>>724779056
their entire world exists just so they can kiss each other
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>>724779987
They deserve it
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>>724764289
>I think the idea of the human kid having a "commander" that he's constantly taking orders from over radio would be cool,
instead of a "check" act you have a "radio" act that works the same but gives you a description from the point of view of the commander, similar to Metal Gear's codec calls
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>>724780972
There needs to be a late game boss who constantly harrasses you in the battle menus so you have to enter a codec call to escape it. Then the battle continues on the codec screen
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>>724779056
>>724779987
>>724780925
KANAKO + CLOVER FOREVER
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>>724781659
that boss coul be like the hacker of the merc company or something like that, and since the world of Undertale takes place inside a videogame, being a hacker pretty much turns you into a low level realty warper
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>>724781931
>you like <INSTALLED GAME>, don't you
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>>724782005
it would be really cool if the boss had a way to detect save files from Undertale, Deltarune and other fangames
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>>724782051
Game Maker saves at standard locations depending on the operating system. Which you can access regardless of whether you actually use Game Maker, of course. Genocide hides a few but sys_information_962 and sys_information_963 are something of a meme now
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>>724781809
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shit, forgot the image
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Comm those artists! Keep the KanaCole flame alive
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Invest in kanacole art so to spread the kanacole propaganda. If you have spare cash, then do it. DO IT
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should I invest my stock into Luna x Riley, Kanacole or wait for Oldentale/Naranja to introduce new ships?
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>>724784327
INVEST IN [KanaCole Forever] NOW NOW NOW! STRIKE WHILE THE [Burned Metal] IS [&$#@ing] FLAMING!
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>>724784327
Invest in my shipping mutual fund. Just send me your bank account number and you will have investments in all these ships
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Drawanon or pregnancy guy if your out there, we need your presence.
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drawanon help us
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>>724784594
I trust the [#1 Salesmen]
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kanako
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>>724784594
I'm going to invest in ValxSlime girl I don't care about the age gap, /ss/ a risky investment but I'm sure it will pay off
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>>724787465
unrelated, but based on how Berdly acts in DR, there is no way his parents are even remotely decent.
Good parenting doesn't make Berdlys.
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>>724782005
>You crave the company of monsters don't you?
>If you have DRY and Wildfire save files
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>>724765304
>>724765575
Whats the power of the loyalty soul?
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>>724787465
Yes Berdly Zenith Martlet did always have a child, she just made it more official.
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>>724790819
You forgot to mention she also made it more literal. By using a very special and unique method.
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Imagine if you open your dimensional bag and Flowey or another meta character starts fighting you.
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>>724792072
It doesn't have to be a Meta character, it could be mimic monster that at one point replaces your dimensional bag, and next time you try to open it a fight starts
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>>724791546
Kind of curious to know what this special and unique method even is.
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>>724792464
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>>724792464
You innocent soul. You don't know.
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>>724792464
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>>724761698
Can you post her talk sprites?
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>>724792464
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>>724759616
>noellescream.wav
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>>724761698
Oh yeah that's a good point, DRY1 officially makes Martlet a milf as she becomes Cole's adoptive parent.
Another win for Martlet.
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>>724796712
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>>724796712
You are correct, Cole is very lucky to have Martlet as his mother figure.
Both sides of Martlet, including Zenith.

https://files.catbox.moe/le8ckp.png
https://files.catbox.moe/dlyvn5.png
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>>724797261
I only just realized after a double take, that Zenith's breasts are drawn slightly larger than normal Martlet's breasts.
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>>724795452
Don't have em on me, unfortunately
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>>724796036
>kanakoscream.wav
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>>724798747
>>724795452
here
I kinda messed up when pasting the hair on some of the expressions so they are slightly offset, but I think it still looks mostly fine
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>>724799103
>Kanako is more spoiled than she lets on
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>>724799461
Thank you good sage
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Foxlace is spooky
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da roba
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>>724800564
you're not wrong
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>>724772926
I've heard someone here say "Kris is Frisk with Chara sprinkled in", and that's close to what I think. I do prefer Kris being Frisk's UT counterpart since I find this more narratively satisfying and believe the parallels with these two run deeper, but you're right that the ones with Chara shouldn't be ignored.
I said this earlier, but how I'm handling it in my fangame is by depicting Frisk as being way more similar to Chara than Asriel suggested in UT. He mentioned wondering how he ever confused the two, but there's a difference between being alike and being the same.

>>724773359
I've seen that, on recommendation from someone in these threads. It probably has influenced my ideas somewhat.

>>724773517
>the original human in Undertale's script from before Toby split Frisk and Chara into separate characters
This is my first time hearing of this, could I learn more? Tried looking it up and couldn't find anything
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Roba's been neglecting the gym again...
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>>724797261
Momlet milk https://files.catbox.moe/9bde85.png
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>>724800853
my headcanon is that kris is both frisk AND chara, and they get split into 2 beings when the universe resets into the UT one
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>>724800893
She should neglect it more
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>>724800853
>I've seen that, on recommendation from someone in these threads. It probably has influenced my ideas somewhat.
I posted the video a long time ago so that might have been me. Good to know that anons watched the video and was influenced by it.
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>>724800893
Fangames need more fat bitches, UTY was full of sticcs
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>>724803264
The only canonical stick was Ceroba lol.
Martlet's stacked. Dina has a good figure. Shop keeper looks well built. Etc...
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>>724800893
perfect
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Where are the kanaclover fics
I need them
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>>724805346
just imagine them
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>>724800893
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>>724805903
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>>724805903
honestly I could see this roba fitting into UT more than base roba since its closer to toriel's bodytype
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>>724805346
In my head
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>>724805986
Well write them out, my imagination is too shit
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>>724805346
There's an ao3 fanfic called "Shattered Decade" with elements of kanaclover
allegedly the author even posted on /v/
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>>724806638
>elements of kanaclover
kanaclover is the entire premise of the fic (and that's a good thing)
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>>724755154
>"How's your daughter?"
>"I don't know, how's yours?"
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>>724806779
bro clover needs to step the fuck up she's doing all the work there he's not even moving
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>>724782005
>>724782051
>>724782376
>you have a genocide save
>He completely drops the "creepy badass" persona and is absolutely terrified
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I just remembered that Mooch exists
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>>724784327
Oldentale is going to take a while, don't bother waiting on it. You can just invest when it comes out.
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>>724790705
All his battles are done on the overworld
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>>724800893
Chujin never went to the gym in the first place
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>>724807829
chujin instead liked to travel around. hes not a fatass
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>>724800853
>Tried looking it up and couldn't find anything
I think it was either the art book or the localization book where Toby said that initially he didn't have the two humans plot point. There's also this guy who appears instead of Frisk's reflection in a fun event.
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>>721272309
>Attempting to summon the Honeydew Shopkeeper anon
I'm still around! I check the archived threads whenever I miss one just in case anything interesting happened
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>>724809068
Damn I made that post like a month ago, I didn't know you were still lurking.
Anyway, how's the wife been treating you?
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who wins in a battle royale of all humans?
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>>724810274
realistically its frisk based on what we know. we dont have any other examples of the humans having unfettered control of the timelines regardless of LV
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>>724809694
Good! I still revisit my Snowdin save just to talk to her once or twice a month, and it's nice to know other old regulars still visit these threads as well
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>>724809694
really not that much art despite how cute of a design she has
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>>724811340
It's the background character curse... SignirSol has drawn some great pics of her before though, I just haven't been around when they are lately so I haven't been able to request more of her (yet)
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>>724810274
underrated
shame her creator ships her with Sans
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>>724811816
>entire AU dies because the creator couldn't keep it in her pants
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>>724812098
Is this really what happened? Last I heard the creator went on hiatus but the comic's still being worked on
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>>724810274
how do people usually depict perserverance as a virtue? I've been trying to make an OC with a magenta soul but i have trouble separating perserverance from determination
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>>724812286
Because the red soul's trait isn't determination, it's sense of self. All the kids had determination, Perseverance would just have a whole lot of it, only trumped by You.
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>>724812286
My head canon is that determination is all about moving forward no matter what, while perseverance is about learning from your mistakes and then trying again
>Even when you felt trapped, you took notes and achieved the end of "Ball." - Purple quote from the ball game
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>>724810274
Whichever ones get their games released
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>>724812286
Determination is the will to persist, the ability to change fate. Perseverance is the ability to endure hardship. They may be superficially similar, but the difference lies in the specifics.

Determination warps reality to keep its user alive no matter what and second will warp it to its users benefit whenever possible. It will always ensure that the use will continue until he reaches the end.

Perseverance allows to the user to endure hardship, not necessarily with any goal in mind. It has no default set end point and is a much more internal thing. A person with perseverance would be one tough bastard, but he probably wouldn't be able to pull the kind of shit Frisk could.
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>>724812582
>Because the red soul's trait isn't determination, it's sense of self

would you mind elaborating?
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>>724812582
Red is (you)
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>>724812286
why is Kris groping the knight's ass?
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>>724807829
Why won't Chujin stop fantasizing about humans?
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>>724812286
>hand on ass
Little man is a player
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>>724813006
reward for being a dutiful squire
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>>724812098
Why do femoids like sans.
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>>724813473
>Funny
>tragic backstory
>secretly really strong
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>>724812946
Well the main thing is to disprove red as being Determination. In fact, if it had a color, it'd be gold. Determination is never once written as red.
Asgore also is familiar with the concept of saving and loading, as he understands if you say he's killed you before meaning other kids could do that, they just eventually gave up.

As for what the red trait actually is, a recurring theme is about identity and knowing who you yourself are and that's really the best we had before Deltarune
https://nochocolate.tumblr.com/post/153875085963/the-red-soul

With what we know from Deltarune now, though, it really could just be as simple as >>724812994
You don't have a trait because You are your own person rather than a fictional character. It's up to You what your defining characteristic is.
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>>724813656
>In fact, if it had a color, it'd be gold
Where are you getting this from?

Anyways, red being (you) and it being determination aren't mutually exclusive. Determination is basically just in universe protagonism, and (you), being the player, have more protagonism than everyone else in the game put together. So (you) are yourself, and because of that you have more determination than anyone else by an order or magnitude.
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>>724668552
The fact that you can't marry a cute fox girl.
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>>724807829
pregnant Chujin looks cute
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>>724813656
>meaning other kids could do that,
i've been thinking for a while, that it may not be that the other kids specifically could do that, but perhaps that he simply knew it was a power that could exist. perhaps there was a soul with that power that helped seal monsters underground in the first place. also when you load after killing toriel and she says "do you know something I do not? that is impossible" or something along those lines. toriel is someone that lived in denial of a lot of things. the idea i've been running with is that perhaps boss monsters have a certain understanding or knowledge of the world be it either from their increased determination, or knowledge passed down over a long time.

its not to say that specifically the other kids had that power, and more I think that who else if not a boss monster would know what kind of powers a human would be capable of. especially when its implied asgore and gerson think even if they got all the souls they'd be sealed back underground again
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>>724800893
my fatass wife
>>724807829
my fatass husband
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>>724814602
>ketsukane throuple
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>>724808321
Hm, I skimmed through the artbook pages relevant to the human or the endgame, and I didn't see this anywhere. I also read the localisation book about a year ago and have no recollection of this coming up.
I do remember that unused sprite though, and I'd agree Kris's design is meant to draw parallels
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>>724814727
I know the Asriel boss idea wasn't even in the original Undertale script. He only came up with it while doing the sprites for the demo.
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>>724814701
hell yeah
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>>724807226
Shortstack mooch
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>>724807226
What is she trying to steal there?
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>>724815690
I definitely imagine her having the fattest ass of all the Yellow girls
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>>724816052
His heart so she can crush it and turn him gay
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>>724816052
his v-card
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>>724807226
yjk she's down with some freaky shit
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Bump.
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>>724816857
god, I want to destroy her
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>>724807226
>>724816052
that wallet was not drawn on accident. she cant help it if she had to steal it while being affectionate
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>>724810274
whichever one (You) are behind
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hey olden tale anon the other guy is active. Check the gamejolt chat
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>>724816857
Nice...
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>>724810274
why did the orange soul get so many fangames compared to the others?
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>>724819918
Are you telling me you wouldn't want to make a fangame about Mr Manly Bandana and Tough Gloves?
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>>724818883
I think I missed him.
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>>724820179
Does Riley look like he has either?
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>>724820819
He will gain them over the course of his character development
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Why do all other fangames suck or end up getting cancelled
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>>724810274
>>724820179
>>724820819
is interesting how most of the orange humans in the pick don't have gloves or have gloves with the wrong color, the tough gloves are pink
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>>724820959
because most of them are started by kids or ideas guy who don't know how hard making games is
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>>724820965
At some point someone washed them with red, turning them pink
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>>724820246
welp
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>>724820892
I have reason to believe he isn't the orange human who dies in undertale and he's happily living in the cabin with luna (copium)
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>>724821586
>JOBley the soul of COWARDICE hid for years while kid souls were being collected to fuel the genocide of his species
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>>724821827
The only friends or family he's ever had are monsters. Of course he wouldn't care what happens to the human race.
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>>724821827
>724821827
Instead he chose monster pussy over his own race and I'm sure he had absolutely no regrets over it
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>>724822001
>>724822158
You guys are right, RACE TRAITORley is too much of a pussy to be THE orange soul, I bet he fought Mr. Sunshine, jobbed and begged for his life like a bitch, which saved him because no human would be this pathetic, so Mr Sunshine just let him go
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>>724820965
Maybe the gloves get stained by blood at some point, then fade with time
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>Riley looks 100% like a girl with a girl name
>Is a he/they
what
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>>724822683
they're trying to bait hmofa chads into queerness
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>>724822683
Riley was originally a they/them then they backpedaled and went with the he/they stuff instead
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>>724821208
Makes sense, it's probably for the best that most don't see the light of day, the fandom is mentally ill enough as is
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>>724822683
The damage Tumblr has done to humanity is not easily reversed
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For KanaCole!
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>>724822765
So does he have boy parts or they/them parts or both?
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>>724822941
>they/them parts
how does that work?
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Here we roll again
https://files.catbox.moe/cwhejm.png
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>>724823008
>https://files.catbox.moe/cwhejm.png
I prefer the updated one
https://files.catbox.moe/740ee4.png
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>>724822975
both ends of the digestive system
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>>724823071
everyone has those tho
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>>724823059
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>>724823059
rolling
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>>724823008
Do me right please
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>>724803264
so in other words. kanako, but fat?
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>>724823136
exactly
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>>724823174
Not bad but not what who I wanted
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>>724823059
Nah
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>>724822941
Riley is a cunt boy, Luna fucks him with her stump
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>>724823008
Hmm
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>>724823186
no it's roba who is fat
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>>724823008
Whoever I roll likes having their booty hole licked
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>>724823441
you want more fat monsters, you get lardball kanako.
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>>724823059
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>>724823008
Rollin
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>>724823512
Blessed be
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>>724823497
>>724823547
Just two dudes munching miner hole
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>>724823508
you've gone too far
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>>724823008
>>724823059
Let's gooo
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>>724823163
>even 3
Who's the black goat?
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>>724823758
uhmm.. excuse me?? i think you mean goat of color???
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>>724823758
Her name is Wiki >>724683707 she is from Oldentale and is apparently Toriel's sister, she is literally and figuratively the black sheep of her family
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>Chujin gets revived after pacifist, walks in and sees this
How does he react?
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>>724824026
Nothing more cringe than fanon characters that are supposed family of established characters
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>>724824124
Oh, you think that's cringe? let me show you some real OC cringe
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>>724823008
I will politely turn down the girl that I roll, unless I roll my wife of course
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>>724824278
The roll gods blessed me this day
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Test
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>>724824124
sorry buddy, we've got the mandate of heaven and you sadly, do not
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>>724824361
Congratulations anon
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>>724824391
Yap yap yip yip yip
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Kana-HO-ver
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>>724824124
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>>724824416
Genuinely made me feel ecstatic, wasn't expecting it!
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>>724824093
domestic violence
and more domestic violence once he realises what happened to kanako
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>>724823758
That's Wiki. One of the main cast of Oldentale.
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>>724823008
>>724823059

Zenith Martlet the true best girl of Undertale Yellow.

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>>724823008
>>724823059
Lets do it
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>>724824453
nothin personell kid, we just have the power of 500 skeletons
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>>724823008
>>724823059
double roll
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>>724824093
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>>724824712
FRENCH!?
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>>724824663
>Get to smooch Mooch or the bartender
Yea
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>>724823631
not far enough, i'd say.
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>>724816153
I need mooch's fat ass on my face asap
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>>724824492
Bully :(
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the end of these threads is a nice reminder that theres a good number of lurkers that come out of the woodwork
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hope we get shattered decade and return to form updates soon
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>>724825130
Don't do it if you can't take what you dish out
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>>724825284
Cheesy peeny!
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>>724825265
I've heard of this fic called "defiant hope" that has kanaclover, might check it out later
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>>724825265
the who and the what now
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>>724824796
>the face of someone who can smuggle a whole jewelry within her orifices
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>>724825393
2 of the best kanaclover fics out there
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last-ish for them



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