HΘPLITΕ
hop heavy
>>724674893prostagma?
VGH....EVROPA BARBARORVM
I never played that game so Hoplite just reminds me of Gladius on Xbox.Underrated game
how do spearaboos cope with the fact that the hoplite phalynx's of greece lost to a bunch of romans with swords
>>724674893is there a total conversion mod or something that makes it so you don't suddenly take comical money/happiness penalties once you conquer like 15 territories
>>724677740Never played EB I or II because it seems like it insists upon itself
>>724677952They make up shit about how good spears are and show some shitty HEMA videos with non-accurate spear lengths and weights up against unarmored retards who don't even try to properly close or redirect. They also proceed to ignore that spears were only used in hunting and mass formation historically, and pretend that thousands of years of practice and use by historical peoples just doesn't count for anything.
>>724678163Fuck EB2. That definitely insists upon itself. EB1 was released in October 2007 and blew my fucking mind. SOOO much nostalgia.
>>724677952Roman's figured that the weakest thing against long pointy sticks are dense thick shields.
>>724677952Isn't it strange how greeks developed and adopted a strategy that relies on even ground while living on an incredibly hilly and mountainous region?
>>724674893Ithplite???
>>724674893>EETH-RL-IT-EHWhat did he mean by this?
>>724679349PREEN-KA-PAYIM-PEARA-TOR
>>724678421PANTODA-PO-EE...PALANG-EE-TAYYY
WARBAND
>>724679219>bring hoplites to chokes>this confuses the Persians and other invaders>romans make bigger shields and walk forward>this confuses the greeks
>>724679219it's because their flanks were protected when fighting in the valleys between those mountains and hills, so they only had to focus on defending against what was directly in front of them
>>724679219The point of a phalanx is that is basically operating as a single unstoppable mass during battle constantly pushing itself forward (literally) against the enemy and it was meant to take on the enemy infantry head-to-head. As a result, most Greek city-states that went to war had one or two battles where their phalanxes pushed against each other for hours until they stopped and then one side asked the other for permission to gather the dead signifying they were defeated.It was Philip II and then Alexander who made the phalanx legendary with cavalry rushing forward and then swinging around to hammer the enemy in their back while the Macedonian phalanx formations kept the enemy in place. This tactic in the hands of less brilliant commanders isn't as unstoppable as it seemed to be, because the cavalry has to win decisively first and the phalanx has to be able to maintain its formation and pushing for enough time to get that attack in the back. The Greek phalanx fighting the Romans got tired in their fight and eventually their tight formation broke down enough that the Romans could rush between them and make their fighting force almost useless.
>>724677952Romans pinned the hoplites up front with heavy infantry with big ass shields then flanked phalanxes from the sides and rear. The Roman manipular formation was made to counter the phalanx. Roman pila as well fucked up shields and made the dense phalanx formation a pain
>>724679219Romans started to grab their long sarissa spears and rip them from their hands, making the frontlines unable to fight or reach the Romans without coming close enough to be cut down by the sword.
>>724679219Reminder that the phalanx was WINNING against the Romans on the left and pushing them back consistently, but the phalanx on the right was late to reach the battle and was still getting into formation while the Romans attacked. This caused the right phalanx to break quickly and then the now free Romans turned and flanked the left to drive them away.
Romans be like >we are the most civilized peoples in the world and then proceed to eat chicken swimming in fermented fish guts sauce and wash it down with sour wine sweetened with lead
>>724678163EB1 is a classic. It introduced a generation to the classics. EB2 devs, unfortunately, decided to squeeze all the fun they could out of the game. I'm very tolerant of boring or flawed games if they're in a niche I like but I'd never recommend EB2.
>>724674893So the way to cheese RTW is this>get 70% of your army as hoplites and then the other 30% as Calvary>Never attack armies unless they’re very weak or it’s the end of the game and you’re cleaning up, instead only attack cities>When you besiege the city don’t attack right away, instead wait a few turns, the AI prioritizes cities under siege and sends all available units to attack the besieging army>Let the AI attack you with like two or three armies>in the prep phase take your hoplites and put them in one of the bottom two corners of the map on your side, where the red walls are>move your Calvary like two miles away>start the fight and let the enemy armies march towards your hoplites>activate your hoplites phalanx ability and because their back is to the edge of the stage it’s just a massive impenetrable spear wall that the enemy has no choice but to run into>while the enemy is getting slaughtered charge your Calvary in when they start to rout and clean up the stragglersI’ve beaten up to three stacked armies with this strat with minimal losses each time
>>724681068>he doesn't rp realistic battle/campaign movements for his armies but instead corner camps with hoplitesabsolutely disgusting anon
>>724681974You mean being able to march across Italy in a week or two? Cuz only being able to move partway from Rome to Campania in half a year is retarded as fuck.
>>724682254build more roads, but no i mean scouting with cav, building towers/forts and keeping them manned with appropriate units at defensive locations, building armies that are specialized based off their general (army for sieging, mobile/defensive armies), and committing to your tactical errors by not corner camping like a huge fag. Doing stuff like that can be fun too but these games are much richer when you take the time to set things up if you have the autism for it
A shame the remaster didn't flesh out some of the non-Roman or non-Hellenic factions. Dacia, Spain and Gaul have super dull rosters.
>>724679929Wrong.Its because the phalanx favors one side over another.The sheilds they use offered protection to only half the carriers body. This in turn leads the sheild holder to seek protection from his "brothers" sheild to increase his own survivability. You cannot mitigate this bias because humans are, by nature, scared of injury or death.The Romans figured this out, and exploited it. The same way they would do with elephants and carthage.
>>724677740Roma Surrectum II >>>>>> EB
>>724675872bnuuy
>>724681974>The Spearmanii, either because they thought that Anon, struck with terror, was retreating from them; or because they flattered themselves that they might be cut off from the provisions, altering their plan and changing their route, began to pursue and to annoy our men in the rear. Anon, when he observed this, drew off his forces to the corner of the map, and sent the cavalry to hide in a stand of trees. Anon himself, meanwhile, drew up in the corner a single line of triple gold chevron Urban Cohorts in such a manner that he placed behind them two units of Arcani which he had lately levied in Hither Gaul, and all the Cretan archers; and he ordered that the whole corner should be covered with them. The Spearmanii, having followed with all their wagons, collected their baggage into one place: they themselves after completely ignoring our cavalry and formed a phalanx, advanced up to our front line in very close order. Anon, having removed out of sight first his own horse, then those of all, that he might cycle charge the Spearmanii in the back...This goes on for a while but it's all there in the book.
>>724677952Romans didn't win because they had swords you stupid sperg, the Macedonians defeated the Persians who by most accounts made even bigger shields than most Roman designs. The Romans defeated the Greeks because they developed a more organized and robust military system with large independent tactical blocks, and drilled their troops in this order. It doesn't matter what kind of weapons the Romans had, they were training with a system more sophisticated than everyone else had at the time.
Heard you liked bloom
>>724674893hop lee tay?
>>724674893>>HΘPLITΕ>HthrlitsWhat did OP mean by this?
>>724674893ROME 2 TW >>> ROME TW its not even a contest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBnr_Hc9BA0>yfw you fuck up an invasion and shatter your economy in the process
>>724683528This
>>724683528Not with that rigid settlement system. And definitely not with that political system that only affects the player.
>>724683615we can't get good music like this anymore because CA is stupid and gay
>>724683528All the settlement and character trait management is boring and dumb but 95% of the game.
>penultimate faction leader battleohfuck ohfuck ohshit oshit
>>724683242Their more sophisticated military system also allowed them to prepare people to throw into the meatgrinder at a much higher rate than most other states, so otherwise catastrophic defeats didn't slow them down as much. Not even Hannibal could cripple those italian fuckers.>>724683528R2 does nearly everything worse. The only thing it has over 1 is a bigger map with more factions out of the gate.
>>724675872bune haha :)
>URBAN COHORT!I cannot express my disappointment enough when i learned that they were historically beat cops.
>>724686216Better than those shit head Praetorians!
>>724683528Is it actually good? I played the shit out of Rome 1 and Medieval 2. I got Shogun 2 years back but never really got into it.
>>724686216For me it's the TRIARII
>>724687264Sit down, you're not needed this campaign season.
>>724683615For me it'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3-7wjri_QE
Is the 2021 remaster any good? Played RTW quite a bit back in the day but remember some annoying bugs, like every governor picking up the useless assessor trait and the AI crippling itself by spamming troops in low pop cities especially with larger army sizes.
I always played as Carthage but kept losing the campaign.
>>724687067Just download it and try it out, if you don't like it refund it. You know steam willI reccomend subscribing to the Divide et Impera modpack while you're at it
>>724687519IMPERATOR
>>724687582it's slightly different (you can revert back to old settings) but it's worth it for just being a modern engine that doesn't break when you alt tab desu
>>724687264Never. By the time I've got enough barracks of a high enough tier to start making them I've already hit the Marian Reforms.Plus no pila sucks.Rome 2 did it better. Tier 2 barracks lets you make Velites, Hastati, Principes, Equites and Triarii so you can go full maniple from the start. And no roman archer bullshit.
>>724687330Strongest Western Roman Commander
i couldn't care much about fantasy except for the mods
>>724688992I hate Warhammer Fantasy so much not for any reason other than it took the focus away from the Total war games on historical settings and went full Warhammer to milk those Warhammer fuckers.
>>724688990>pictured: great roman commander totally owning 1 british peasant
>>724689037I agree. As much as I love Warhammer I also love historical battles too and want a total war game based around Genghis Khan.
>>724688779Yeah they're not practical. I'll just never forget the first time I played RTW and started as the Julii that gets a unit of triarii at the beginning and the voice lines of clicking on them just made me think 'so this must be the best unit in the game'
>>724679219The Greeks made extensive use of hills and natural terrain. Hoplites liked to be parked at the hills.The Greek Phalanx was extremely aggressive; their usual tactics was to zerg rush their enemies with Spartan and Spartan-led mercenaries being the excepiton.
>>724689142That could have been cool, I still remember playing Shogun 1 and being invaded by the Mongols and shitting myself at how many of them there were invading Japan. But I really wanted a true Rome Total war 3, Atilla was ok I guess but it's set towards the very end of the Roman Empire, I'd love to be able to take a more accurate approach from the founding of Rome during the 7 Kings Period all the way through the Republic, the founding of the Empire and then through the crisis of the 3rd century and Aurelian and give it true justice.
>>724683528nah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XQU8k8XVAA> Last night, the crying of the fanboys kept me awake...and I had a terrible vision. I saw the fall of our franchise: low budget remasters under a harsh sun... Historical Total War, gone! Why would CA send such a vision? They are not cruel; they have watched over us. We have had victories aplenty in game awards. Our community sail to all corners of the forums. Yet even now, I fear. I cannot help it. We are the envy of mobile gamers. They tell terrible lies about us. They do not understand, so they lie. But the Warhammer fanboys, they are the masters of falsehood. New Historical Total War will come, I am sure of it. So. I will have no more false visions...and I think the fanboys will be quiet tonight.
>>724679219I'd be curious why mobility and slings couldn't overcome such a rigid forceThey're never depicted as having complete armor coverage and even without the shield they're not mobile
>>724689595they could be but there was usually other mobile and missile units shooting back at them
Carthago!>>724689595there was battle where spartan hoplites get wasted to the last man by light troops
>>724689689Because they were stuck in an island without any support.>>724689595Because pitched battle usually has other light armed troops and cavalry present. But most wars weren't only pitched battle and slingers and ranged troops were valuable in things like raids, ambushes and the like.
>>724689595Mobility did overcome them with the Roman maniple and slings (along with every other missile weapon throughout history until the gun) was just not very efficient at killing people quickly.
>>724674893CREEESHIAN AAAAHRSHERS
>>724689595Greek city states had limited manpower, they had to match the enemy phalanx first and only then could they think about auxiliary troops.And most of the time they weren't actually fighting "to the death", most of the conflicts were minor one day affairs that were more like deadly sport competitions to see who comes out on top.
>>724677740vugeve ropabarbaror vum
>>724675872bunbun
>>724689595Each side had cavalary on the flanks and Phalanx in the centre, skirmishers that is slingers, archers and Javelin throwers would be sent forward in front of the phalanx for the beginning of battles but would retreat behind the phalanx otherwise the cavalry would run them down if they stepped too far forward. Light infantry Skimrmishers - rockCavalary - paperHeavy infantry Phalanx - scissorsThis is how it was for hundreds of years until the Romans and even the Romans used the Phalanx until king Pyrrhus of pyrrhic victory fame, I think and then they adopted the Maniple system and then they themselves kept that for a few hundred years until the Marian reforms just before Julius Caesar came to power.
Ancient Roman shinobi
>>724689270The early Republic would be dope to play. I also like the late Roman era. Diocletian and Aurelian could be cool Roman Faction leaders.
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>>724679490GODS...I HATE GAULS
>>724694161>i-find-it-fascinating-how-late-roman-army-would-mimicmimic who?
>>724694238Germanics.
>>724694236your waifu like them tho
>>724694262since ceasar (((roman))) army have large amount of gauls and germanicsroman army always have large amount of allies and later large amount of provincials, allies, auxiliaries, freed slaves etc
>>724679490>>724694236steal their shit
>>724694358Yeah, plus the Romans loved taking good weapons from foes they've defeated and improving on them.
>>724677740>>724678421>>724680626What a gem. So many cool units.
>>724694423forget picwell, roman army stopped being roman short after Caesar death
>>724677270Ne.Hetimos.
>>724694504
You now manually hear the Rome TW map music and lyrics
>>724694625>>724694423its not even this, reading primary sources really is eye opening
i wish we had threads like these but for shogun 2 fots ):I just conquered half of the map and then helped the Aizu conquer their half from Kyoto all the way into Hokkaido,now i only have to deactivate certain mods and i'll do Satsuma Republic vs Aizu Shogunal Vanguard.To make it related to this thread,i only played Shogun 2,which Rome would you recommend?
>>724694705>>724694639I actually have a playlist R:TW OST
>>724694852>i only played Shogun 2,which Rome would you recommend?rome 2 probably(I don't like it), Rome 1 is the bestplay Shogun 1 if you can run it>>724694886
>>724689037for me its the fact they treat it like the second coming despite the fact its has all the flaws of nu total war, I get they were desperate since GW nuked fantasy for their (not) fantasy space marine setting so its all they really have left but it sucks they rewarded CA for their retarded decisions until recently
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>>724694269>sack Rome once with the help of north Italian Latins>Rome goes into overdrive never again mode, defeats the Senones and later invades all of Gaul and subjugates all of it
>>724695343TOTAL BROWN DOMINATION OVER FILTHY CRACKER BARABRIANS
>>724694932Rome 1 is the best, try to find the original if you can, the remaster design is annoying
>>724695378I have copy with russian dubbing, its kind of funny
pyjamaniii!
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>>724696171worst unit in game
>>724683528I remember the AI being completely brainless and the game having no challenge (I know TW AI is retarded in general). I may try playing it again.
>nu-total war lacks diversity and troop ty-....
That's bait.
>>724695343still can't not laugh over the fact that dovahatty turned out to be a brazilian monkey lmaothat and walking back on the jew genocide montage really destroyed his potential
>>724697198tell me more
>>724697138say nobodyif anything its too bloated
>>724680352>i am sure to win because my speed is superior backed up by historydex>str
>>724674893Funny how underpowered romans are in their own game. I played as Germania recently and even my basic bitch spearbands could hold off their post reform troops on VH with their phalanx long enough for my gothic cavalry to absolutely rout them with flank charge.
>>724687264This is the unrecruitable unit they give you at the start of the game
>>724686216>Urbans were just cops>Praetorians were corrupt pansies It hurts
Do you guys think Carthage is underrated?
>>724698651in rome 1 or in general?
>want to play WRE in Attila>remember the 50 turns of playing the exact same siege defenceI just want to reconquer shit.
>>724679387>>724679459PANTSU PEE-PEE POO-POO??? :DDDDDD
>>724698651They were a top tier faction back in the day. Saltiest mainers all around though.
>>724698926Just raze and disband everything but your chosen corner.
>>724674893As a person who works with Greek symbols all the time, seeing the theta used as a O triggers my bait-taking reflex so hard. I am weak. How do I stop from caring about this dead language?!
>>724699517the day you stop caring is the day you die. dΘn't die, anon
>>724699517I hate it when they use Λ for A.
>>724698651>mercenary army of different people who can't speak the same languagewhat could possibly go wrong?
>>724698651Selucid Empire is underrated >phalanx>war elephants
>>724699642>who can't speak the same languagethey probably had a universal language that was understood by all. an equivalent to english, russian or arab. people weren't retarded just because they lived in the past
>>724679929>pushing itself forward (literally)This is eternally retarded.Why would they have SPEARS if their goal was to get into a pushing contest, and not swords. It makes no sense and is based purely on people taking things far too literally.>Macedonian phalanxesEven without hammer and anvil they were superior, because they also had 6 meter long pikes that were very hard to penetrate.
>>724679496Not what happened historically illiterate retardRomans basically feigned retreats and retarded keeps broke formations every single timeThat + flanking
>>724679496Also the romans primarily fought philangites when they invaded Greek states and Greece itselfRomans had been familiar with hoplite warfare, it's what they had practiced hundreds of years prior also
>>724692897I believe thats all possible across Rome 1/2 and attilaRome 2 has rise of the Republic and crisis of the third century for sure
>>724699880the men behind the first few lines had only one job, to push into the man in front of them with their shield when they met the enemy. the long spears only help this because the phalanx is constantly going forward but the enemy can't really approach it to strike back.
>>724700495They don't need to approach it if they're being pushed forward. If the plan is to get into literal shield-on-shield contact with the enemy, then the weapon of choice would not be a spear, it'd be a short thrusting sword of some kind.Like, you know, the Romans used for close in, shield-heavy formation fighting.
AND REMEMBER THIS ABOVE ALL!OUR ROMAN GODS ARE WATCHING!MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT ASHAMED!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UApsdueSYQ0
>>724678421What is it about BAKTRIA that calls out to you?
>>724674893Wtf is a hthlite
>>724677740https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OihCg50glpUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPVmNZCS0fMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCFpXBwfDlQ
>>724674893SCOUT EQUITES
lmao get fucked sedentary losers
>>724701239>pyjama warriors... on horsesit's simple yet genius
pontus
>Ptolemy stopping grain shipments again and now I have to die crossing the adriatic
>>724686216When I hear "urban cohort" picrel are the guys that pop in my mind, not such an elite unit
>>724675872Hiphoplite when?
>>724687071>his lusts for other menWhat?
>>724698723>hardened by centuries of trade
>>724703547he be buttfuckinbg
>>724697138And they're all pointless because I can just hero spam with abilities
>>724703547he's a breechloader
>>724703547He's on the wrong chariot
>>724674893I look like that and say this
>>724687913Rome: Total War was more than a little crash prone even on the systems it was designed for. MTW1 was too. You'd end the turn spend an hour fighting multiple battles, then the fucker would crash at the start of the next turn.
>>724694161Adam, Prnice of Eternia, is done fucking around.>I hear you've been making jokes about how gay I looked in my old TV show
