Why do good games always underperform both critically and financially?
>>724682567because the masses can't understand the brilliance of mashing square
>>724682567The problem of modern gamers having zero patience for any difficulty that isn't RNG-related is higher this year than it's ever been
>>724682567This game is not to the quality of NGB or NGII (which is Ninja Gaiden 2 Xbox 360). Why do you shills keep pretending like its up to the quality of those games when it is clearly not? The yellow paint alone shows what the thinking for this games development was.
>>724682567if it's good then why would it flop? Every good game is massively successful now.
>>724684629It's way better than NG2. It's also rated higher by fans and critic than NG2.
>>724682567>Good gamesPic unrelated?
geee who would have thought a Ninja Gaiden game about some fag twink instead of Ryu would do bad
>>724684629ng2 isn't a quality game
>>724682567I don't know in general but with NG4:1: Gamers don't actually like play hardcore games, they like to play easy games that pretend to be hardcore (most Souls games)2: There quite literally 0 marketing for the game. These days games live or die based on youtuber/twitch shilling.3: The game is pure gameplay, no fluff. 'Gamers' nowadays want shitty Hollywood wannabe stories for them to soiface at and make clips of.It's a mixture of those. Pure 'gameplay' games, no matter how good the gameplay is, just don't sell anymore.
>>724682567the autists who would've enjoyed this 20 years ago are now fully absorbed in VR chat and discord servers
>>724682567>over 80 metacritic critic and user scores>over 90% steam scoreIt's doing fine critically, actually
>>724684629>game is not good because of (feature that's completely irrelevant and changes nothing)dishonest fag
>>724682567normies are afraid of and intimidated by sovl
>>724682567Why is this game dogshit?
>>724684629just because a game is not as good as its prequel does not means that that game is bad you fucking retard
>>724685923It's not a movie that play itself.
>>724682567>NG4>goodlmfao all they had to do was make ninja gaiden and yet they just had to make platinumslop featuring ryu hayabusa insteadgood riddance
>NG3>NG4 Is it that fucking hard to make an actual Ninja Gaiden game? Does no one but Itagaki fucking get this series?
You tell me.
>>724686117Listen buddy, if you made a top 10 cag list Itagaki would have a couple, Capcom would have a couple, the other 6 would all be Clover/Platinum. Show some respect.
>>724687536he didn't make a 2d platformer so no he doesn't
>>724687536add NG2 to that list
I'm so sick of the discourse with this game. I've noticed a lot of people hyping up this game also say they didn't like NG before. Disparaging fans for not liking the direction NG4 is taking and talking sh*t about NG1 and 2 to try and prop up 4. It's like a hostile takeover of the series by DMC fans, a bunch of toxic positivity BS.
>>724682660That's exactly why. You brain dead lemmings can't understand anything but mashing so you think that's all it is.
This game has the Batman magnetism? Absolute shit, will not buy.
>>724688068DMCfaggot here, I played NG1 (Sigma) and NG2 OG to prep for NG4 coming out. NG4 is a better game than 1 and 2 and is still very faithful to the series. Itagaki worshipers are just delusional
>>724684682
>>724688068i have to ask if you came here from reddit. every fucking thread here that contains the words "ninja gaiden" for the past ten years involved a couple of schizos who think ninja gaiden 2 is the only good game ever made and would come shit on the carpet, utterly suffocating anything resembling discussion. the release of ng4 has been the first time maybe ever that they were drowned out by sane, reasonable human beings who like video games. the pendulum shifted in the right direction.
>>724688219STFU shill this game is a damn sham. Its wearing the skin of NG but its full of bullshit modern game tropes. I'm convinced you faggots just love to eat garbage. You did it with the RE remakes, you did it with SH2 remake, you did it even with FF7's remakes. Its like you consumer faggots just cannot admit that sometimes older is better for obvious reasons. No it is not just nostalgia. This game is plagued by awful modern gaming crap.
>>724688429RE4 remake was fine, not better than OG but fine. I didn't play either of those other games but nice try
>>724688429>RE remakesPlay better than the originals>SH2 remakePlays better than the original>FF7's remakesPlay better than the original>"consumer faggots just cannot admit that sometimes older is better for obvious reasons">"I won't say what those reasons because they are sooo obvious haha"
>>724688429muh yellow paint is only in the first 5 minutes of the gamemuh magnetism is a molehill blown up to a mountain by autiststhe most egregious thing about ng4 is that ryu is sidelined hard for mr. ow the edge
>>724688429Older NG games are better than 4. Despite that 4 is still amazing and leagues better than any other action game that came out during the past 2 years. Why is this so hard to understand?
>>724688368Ninja Gaiden 4 is worse than Razor's edge. I won't be gaslighted
>>724682567Keep in mind that the people who played the original trilogy are in their 40's. NG3 came out 13 years ago.They don't have the reflexes or the time for a NG game. Zoomers don't have any draw like co-op friendslop or skins. Super hardcore NG fans hate change so they won't buy it.Honestly their only chance would have been to make it coomer like Stellar Blade. Complain all you want but that's an audience at least, as opposed to marketing this game to... no one in particular.
Ninja gaydenfags got too cocky. DMCvirgins somehow won.
>>724688068What do you want people to say? This game has a lot of modern crap, but I played it and it's cool and fun. I can overlook obtrusive accessibility options a lot more easily than I can overlook de-sexualization for example, which this game doesn't have. Maybe you don't like how it looks, I do. It has every feature it needs, it's well optimized. What am I supposed to hate so much about it, huh freak?
>>724688193Every ng has that retard
>>724688890>Honestly their only chance would have been to make it coomer like Stellar Blade.I actually totally agree with this. They wanted to sideline Ryu anyways so might as well have made it a girl action game. They even had multiple females from the past games they could have chosen and would have had an advantage over Stellar Blade with this.
Humiliation ritual
>>724689106No it doesn't you fucking shill. This is Batman/GOW levels of magnetism. This is in no way the same thing you saw from the previous games. Not even close goddamn shill. Die
>>724688536Not him but there is a phenomenon of people who simply don't have appreciation for the originals proclaiming remakes as better because they are modernized and streamlined. Of the remakes you mentioned I only have some experience with RE games, and Silent Hill, only a bit from SH1 and 3, but I can say with certainty that some amount of the presentation is lost with streamlining, and I can see how one would say the originals, which are perfectly fine creations in and of themselves, are better for that. There are other things too, like with the RE4 remake, the censorship of bits like dialogue at certain segments, which really attack the very soul of the game. I can't speak for the guy who was arguing with you though.
They moved basic ass game functionality to a meter and gave enemies hyper armour, riveting game design. Can't believe I paid 70$ for this trash
>>724689180Not even speaking on NG4 as it relates to prior entries though. It might be a fantastic game, I can't say. It looks good but I don't know. I'm curious to see what Farnham The Drunk's thoughts will be on it, because he has in depth knowledge of NG2 and apparently hates it.
>>724682567does the entire game take place in a warehouse?
>>724689276No.
Thank god i refunded this slop and bought e33 and dispatch
At least DMCfags usually like at least four of their five games. NGfags fight over every single game (besides NES and Arcade).
>>724688694>itagaki cocksuckers so delusional they will now pretend 3RE is anywhere near 4
Pricing it at 70 dollars, or 90 with the deluxe, was moronic. Anyone with half a brain cell knows this game will be 50% off in 2 to 3 months.
>>724689253don't look to the bottom of the barrel. you can do better https://youtube.com/watch?v=Hl_B0f_z9iQhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=a5EHeFil0twhttps://youtube.com/@ShowR18/postshttps://m.youtube.com/@fiendbusa/posts
Is Master Ninja available to play through right off the bat this time?
>>724689812no but Hard is plenty CBT for the first time around
>>724689584What's your problem with 3RE? Just curious. I only played a little of it but it looks great minus the obvious problems inherent in the fact that it's built on vanilla 3, and limited enemies.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpLA2KJQ6AU>>724689670To be honest I don't know much about any NG content creators besides JayTB, I just have a passing understanding that Farnham is good at NG2, so if he hated it, however autistic his point of view might be, it interests me.
>>724689253Bruh>I can't make up my mind. Better consult my favorite, infallible e-celeb to figure it out
>>724689861Dropped harder than an atom bomb
>>724689890farnham plays ng2 a lot. i don't think he has any insight on it or anything else though. showr18 is the best in the world imo and miduki is up there.
>>724689890I'm >>724688219 I dropped 3 after the 1st level because the boss was terrible and the enemies were very spongy and it overall felt slower and worse to play compared to itagaki NG. I really liked 1 and 2 minus most of the bosses.
>>724689908It's literally not that at all. I only learned who farnham was recently. The point is that I'm curious what his insight is and what would bring him to think NG4 is so bad, if it apparently seems so good. I have experience with NG2 and have been playing through mentor to eventually unlock MN then play through on that, so I can relate to his understanding somewhat.I don't need told what to think.
>>724685128We live in an era where shitters are proud to be called shitters but the problem with this game is that its a shitter game trying to pretend to be hardcore. It alienates its old crowd by being a simplified bland blob of gray nothing and scares the shitters by having complex origins. It has no audience.
>>724690347post you're clears
It plays fine for the e most part but I’d be lying if I said I wasn getting a bit tired of the annoying bloodraven mechanic. Also it’s such an ugly game. I hate the new protagonist so much. How anyone can find him cool is beyond me.
>>724690543Ironically, not even chinks nor japs like him considering the game absolutely bombed in japan. What was the art designer thinking
It flopped because it has no memes and censored sex scenes
It’s a boomer franchise with a reputation for being too hard and also kinda janky. The last game was from the 360 era and it was a bad game. That’s why it’s doing well in terms of reviews but not many people are actually playing it, because no one cares.
>>724689946Thanks.>>724690021I can see that. That boss was stupid but I managed to get past it with relative ease when I just did xyxxxx, The flow of combat is definitely a bit different than ng2 because enemies aren't delimbed the same way.
I've seen some say that in 5 to 10 years this game will get the God Hand treatment and I would say no that won't happen. The era where somebody shows off a sick tech and everybody basedjacks and starts to realize that the game is actually kino is long gone. Show me one game in the past 10 years that achieved somewhat similar status. All that remains is a schizo fanbase filled with NG2Tards like blader saying a game with incredible speed and extremely smooth controls is bad. I'll take solace that NG lasting legacy is a Hayabusa variant being a punching bag in Nioh and being a inferior to DMC.
as soon i saw hyper armor enemies i refundedthis is just a bootleg bayoneeta
>>724689423nesCHADS won
>>724682567It's kinda mid desu.
>>724690943NopeGames like stranger of paradise and nioh2 already gained a cult classic status
I like that the shurikens are useful for once
>>724690943>Show me one game in the past 10 years that achieved somewhat similar statusKingdom hearts 3 was pretty cool for a bit when someone figured out instant key blade swapping.
>>724691001you know NG had enemies with hyper armor since 1
>>724691056SOP is a great game but it didn't gain the cult classic status other games did, and Nioh 2 was always considered a great game made even better with expansion.
>>724691090What for? I just use them to keep juggle combos going when I'm fucking around in 1v1s.
>>724682567>no gun to shoot>no ball to dribbleshieeeeeet
>>724691090they always were
>>724691097KH3 is still hated to this day. Only reason it isn't as prominent as before is because of the dlc.
>>724691235I like a lot of games that /v/ shits on relentlessly for completely arbitrary reasons. If the combat/movement is fun to me I don't really care about much else. Kh3 has pretty fun combo game once you start mixing keyblade morphs. I also enjoy the modding scene for it.
>>724691157On ranged guys but that was it. Now they’re good at interrupting everyone.
Speaking hack and slash games, I think Soulstice would have been 3 times better if didn't have color coded enemy shit that would make even DMC's Reboot blush.
>>724682567They fail to understand what their fan base truthly wants.
>>724691370What are you talking about? You could shurikan cancel in old NG games and use them for combos, or use it to interupt enemies and put them into conveinient states, as well as use it to face Ryu towards offscreen enemies to recenter your camera, among other things. Definitely not useless.
>>724682567I think calling it 4 was a mistake. I also think Yakumo was a mistake. Game was never gonna sell huge numbers but I think they made it worse for themselves.
>>724691608Though to be fair, the utility of shurkans at times could be less obvious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IKBI_m4oyQ
>>724691659The game probably would have even less budget if the game wasn't being made as Ninja Gaiden 4.
Is there any reason to spend the red points? None of the weapon combo upgrades seem worth it.
>>724691827there's a few great ones, remember that the "jump" and "vault" moves are insta kills in bloodbath, you can just A+X in bloodraven berserk and wipe out the room in one quick attack
>>724691827get the gap closers, the launchers, and the AOEs, especially bloodraven AOEs.the others are either very situational or just for fun
>>724689165I just don't believe you've played the game
>>724685128NG4 is not a hardcore game. it has a babymode difficulty that plays itself unlocked right from the start. the notion that NG4 is too hard to be successful is retarded. that line of thinking mightve worked for NGB or NG2 where you're thrown to the wolves without any recourse.
I’m making good progress. Keep getting D for every level but I’m making good progress nevertheless. Also using berserker on the boss feels like cheating.
Master ninja in this game is god damn annoying holy shit. It has the same dogshit design as all post itagaki NG where every enemy kills you in 1-2 hits, even bullets take 30% of your HP. Restarting over and over waiting to get lucky that you don't lose 90% HP by a nigger hitting from off screen is not fucking fun.
Why was Itagaki ever considered special? He made 1 good game and one almost good game that was horribly unfinished but had fun combat.Nobody gives a shit about DoA and everything else he made was absolute fucking trash. He does not deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Itsuno, Kamiya or Mikami.
>>724691659they should had called it SHIN NINJA GAIDEN: RYU VS HAYATE
>>724687663>the other 6 would all be Clover/Platinumlmfao, name the 6
>>724692487these have easy modes too, and the default difficulty in ng2 is a button masher, my friend literally dropped ng2 vanilla because it was so boring and easy on your first run
>>724691481This but also needs honkers and her dogs
>>724692804Bayo 1, God Hand, Revengeance, Viewtiful Joe 1 and 2, NGS4 :^)
>>724692804viewtiful joe 1, bayonetta 1, the wonderful 101, revengeance, god hand and ng4instead of your gay meme reply where you pretend all these games you've nevet played are bad, name 3 action games better than those not by capcom or team ninja
>>724692628People were drawn to his maverick persona. NG games had their fair share of missteps and questionable design choices but they were genuine ideas instead of them lifting concepts from other contemporary popular games. Like consider something like the water dragon in 2 (original not sigma). That boss is considered dogshit by every metric but it's unique piece of content produced with the intent of creating something interesting. Look at what team ninja produced after itagaki left. nioh has diablo loot and souls bonfires, all that jazz. They arent creating anymore they're just reacting to market trends.
>>724692894mehViewtiful joe 1/2 is novel but it's not particularly good
>>724684629As someone who only played ng2 last year (yes on a 360), I'll never understand why the fuck you guys love it so much. NGB is a much better game
>>724693031ninja gaiden 1 is devil may cry 1 reskinned with this popular ninja character they have the rights toalso a little bit of dynasty warriors
>>724693120Hack and Slays were the most popular genre of that generation. Turning NG into one was the least inspired thing he could've done. If you want to see someone actually try something new with their old ninja platformer series look at PS2 Shinobi. That game is inspired.
>>724693031>They arent creating anymore they're just reacting to market trends.they invented flux and stances thoand yes, might as well call it an invention because it's very rare in souls/action game scene to have these mechanics, nioh has a very unique combat even if its core is very souls adjacent
>>724682567Because the majority of "gamers" are fake gamers, they hate true video games and playing true video games. They are cattle with low IQ who want to "play" interactive movies or run around in a boring, time-wasting, meaningless, worthless open-world/field slop map.Then there is a group of "hard core gamers" who play garbage games like Elden Ring and use overleveling, overpowered summons/spells etc. to completely cheese the game and pretend they are playing a hard game. Same for Nioh games with their casino gacha diablo loot stat autism build making that completely makes the game an easy mode. These people are even worse than the vile cattle masses.Ninja Gaiden 4 is so good and enjoyable that it freed me from wasting any time or money on future games that aren't as fun.Also: Owari da /v/, ore wa True Ninja.Mondainai.
>>724682567Visually it's quite ugly, it's also kind of generic. Cyberpunk ninjas in Pinterest tech wear are done to death. They should have gone weirder and more specific with the setting. It's not enough to be mechanically interesting yet platinum never learns this lesson.
>>724689423All true NG fans love NGB, NGII and NG4. The other games and versions are all garbage and hated, pretty logical and reasonable.
>>724691235Things warmed up a bit thanks to modding but I don't see that happening to NG4 unless some mad lad can make actual new content.
>>724684629evidently didnt play it.probably didnt play NG1 and 2 either.
>>724693665At least the demons look cool this time which is a first for the series.
>>724682567I rather have NG keep its essence (lol) than having it pander to normalniggers
>>724691731Why bother with all this when you can just spam UTs against them?
>>724682567Picture not fucking related lol
>>724693828Why bother when you can just set the game to ninja dog? Do you always just take the easiest route possible?
Which version of 2 do I play? No I'm not emulating it again I've already done it. Sigma 2 BLACKor 2 Black WHITE
>>724693941I wish I could play Ninja Gaiden Black and Ninja Gaiden II.I wish I wasn't an incompetent loser poorfag so I could afford an Xbox.I wish I wasn't a low IQ subhuman so I could at least emulate these games on PC.Why is life so unfair? Why am I an incompetent loser poorfag? Why am I a low IQ subhuman? Why am I brown? Why am I ugly? Why am I an incel? Why do I have a small penis? Why am I short?I hate this... I don't want this... I will cope...I will cope by pretending Ninja Gaiden Smegma, Ninja Gaiden Smegma 2, Ninja Gaiden 2 Black, Ninja Gaiden 3, Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge are also good NG games, eventhough deep down I know they are not.I will lie to people who don't know better and recommend them to play these inferior versions.I will lie that the shitty guesswork mod of Fiendbusa somehow magically makes Smegma 2 the definitive way to play, eventhough modded Smegma 2 still has missing code, enemy AI and features.I will lie about the fact that NG3:RE was my first introduction to the franchise and will try to gaslight others into believing that NG3:RE has the best combat and is the most difficult game in the franchise.I will never ever be a True Ninja Gaiden fan.True Ninja Gaiden fans recognize my behavior, laugh at me and spit on me.This is who I am.I am a secondary, a coping secondary.I will always be a secondary, a coping secondary.And that is okay.
>>724694035You're a nigger.
>>724694035I already played black, 2, sigma 1, 2 black, 3re and 4I want to know which modded version of 2 to try next sigma 2 black or 2 black white
>>724693783Unfortunately the enemy designs are like 3rd or 4th on the list importance for advertising a stylish action game. First is the MCs design which isn't great, next are the environments and setting which are outright bad, third is increasingly stupid meme shit for streamers to laugh at and fourth are the supporting characters and enemy designs which are better than prior games since this was the worst part of old ninja gaiden.Bad art direction also limited the success of old ninja gaiden but it came out in a much less competitive era where exclusives were given sales boosts. Ninja gaiden itself also had a better reputation back then and itagaki was a meme man who provided free advertising.
>>724694095Sigma 2 Black.
>>724694095Do not support UE5 slop, go with sigma 2 black.
>>724694225>payinglol
>>724682567Good games are good because they pick a target audience, make the game for that target audience and that extra effort to appeal to a target audience makes the game better for that audience.Critically praised games are not made to target the audience, they are made to target the critics. They are not made to be fun but to have a wow factor and to appeal to as broad an audience as possible while being shallow where it counts to do so.True great games aren't for everyone, because if you spread the appeal too thin across a wide audience it doesn't have enough meat for any of the demographics. The best games in any genre are always focused on that genre and not slapping different games in there to appeal to a wider audience like triple slop games.
>>724684629yeah it's garbage. it has really shit animations, tons of animation glitches, foot sliding, clunky collision glitches, characters standing in mid air, really bad programing, shitty magnetic combat, no weight or impact at all.. and is a showcase of the technical incompetence of Platinum.It can't be stated enough how much lower quality and just fucking gutted and lacking in new content NG4 is compared to NG1 and NG2.not only does 4 severely lack in new content. it does a fucking pathetically shit job of porting over existing stuff.
>>724694289>It's too buggy, not the same standard as NG2
>>724694434NG2 had no glicthes in its fundamntal mechanics, the only thing it had was slow down as a product of how shit the 360 was. this is solved with PC and XBone.NG4 mechanics are just made really cheaply by incompetent retards.
>>724684629>The yellow paint alone shows what the thinking for this games development was.Perfect example of the /v/igger mentality. What should be at the bottom of your criticisms is at the top because its superficial and easy to point to. Gameplay mechanics? Balance? Enemy and boss movesets? Avoid mentioning anything substantive at all costs. You'll out yourself as a retard by saying shit that's just blatantly incorrect or was in the previous games.Avoid discussion at all costs, just call the game shit then move on to the next thread.
>>724695206retard
>>724690943I dont give a shit about le tech of god hand.Basically nobody does.People care about God Hand because its an insane ride from start to finish with an inhuman alien design philosophy only a mad man like Mikami could come up with.
>>724695472I accept your concession.
>>724692628Dead or Alive was a huge series you actual underage.Great scores in magazines, first fighter to have tournaments on american TV and influencing 3D fighters.You just lack the underage because you were born after post-itagaki DoA stopped being relevant.
>>724694289This comment can only be made by a person who has never played these games or is legit mentally ill.
>>724695912Probably the latter.
>>724689945nobody believes you or thinks you're cool
why is she so smug.
>>724698043She knows she can have any little boy she wants
>>724698043>>724698259we play dmc btw if you care
>>724695098>NG2 had no glicthes in its fundamntal mechanicsWhy are you so defensive over a series you haven't played?
>>724686983Kunoichi Shantae of Assassin Creed
>>724682567because one guy killed an entire genre for almost 2 decades at this point
>>724691382the color coded gimmick in soulstice was great
>>724682567>kuroboplease help for the love of god
>>724682567>kuroboplease help
>>724695206Style IS substance you dweeb.
>>724698843name them if there are any
>game I don't like flop>it's because game is shit>game I like flop>it's because gamers are shit
>>724690943God Hand was popular online nearly directly after release. At most it was a year later, since I bought it due to overwhelming hype and finding it cheap. People have retardedly skewed memories of basically everything. The IGN article became a joke in no time.
>>724695206trve
Imo stellar blade is a much MUCH better game
>>724688890Reminder that the best version of NG3 is Wii U. Tablet titty jiggle + touch screen ninpo, neither of which is possible in any other version of the game.
>>724700630>put Japanese voices on>put English subs on>get to a boss fight>four people start yelling gibberish in my ear for 2 minutes straight while I’m trying not to die>end up dying cause I tried to read the subtitles>in the end the subtitles were nothing of substanceOmg shut the fuck up. Why does this annoying fag need 4 (FOUR) on comms. Just have one.
>>724693941Ligma 2 BLACK (balls) is the definitive Nigga Gayman experience.
>>724690021>1st level because the boss was terribleThat's literally the worst boss in the entire game. It all goes up from there.
The only way to save ninja gaiden is sell the ip to swift up, the masterminds behind the iconic stellar blade
This game is filtering me compared to Ninja Gaiden 2 Black which was unironically a cake walk.
>>724682567My main real issue with the game is all the environments kinda suck.
>>724691481Holy based.
>>724691481ThisAlso add corruption and rape scenes when defeated
>>724692628Literally every single DoA up to 4 shits all over Ninja Gaiden and and of your favorite games which probably suck ass. You are on disingenious faggot and you've never played DoA for over 4 minutes.
This site is so fucking dead, I feel like 90% of the posts about any particular game are made by the same 4 people that spend their entire day here posting the same couple of sentences on repeat.
>>724693941Never play that UE5 trash no matter how many mods there are. I will never forgive what they did to the Venice level.
>>724693941Sigma 2 white(used be called black) is the best version but enemies are ball busting hard on mentor
>>724685128Silksong
>>724701219the dead internet is real and this board, /tv/ and /vg/ are pretty much the definitive proof
>>724700876imo your imo is bad
>>72470121990% of threads are just some asinine question with a tangentially relevant picture, mainly lust provoking image. Posts are pretty genuine (for the most part) but OPs themselves are like autogenned or something.
>>724701065I was filterd too but then I reach a raven and do all the tutorial now the game just clicked.
I will buy it when either they remove the graphical lock on 4gb vram or someone make a mod for that
>>724701065There are types of block in this game
>>724682567lol
>>724682567>Good gamesPic unrelated
>>724682567because action games are a niche genre to begin with and you either appeal to your core base and get mediocre sales or you casualize and vandalize your franchise to appeal to more people so you get more money. that will always be the nature of games with complex combat systems.
>>724700630>Enemies getting stuck and floating around>Gib physics being wonky as fuck>Bosses bugging out and softlocking the game>The entire staircase fight being at 30% speed because of the performance>Ryu getting stuck on the environmentI know you're a faggot so here's some links: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qluqCVaHxyAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYivzbrTMWwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewl0hWLSPtYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re_VbESrMHw>B-But that didn't happen to me! It was fine for me!Yes and I encountered no bugs in NG4 :^)
>>724700920That's very cool but you're still using the worst controller ever made.
>>724702816How is NG4 not a good game?
>>724691481I don't like Marie Rose but this would sell at least 4x more copies than whatever the fuck we got.
>hayabusa needs to open chests to unlock basic techso what, if i miss one i go the whole game without L2 counter? why would they gimp him like that to begin with
>>724692628>Nobody gives a shit about DoADead or Alive 2 alone sold more than every Ninja Gaiden game. Dead or Alive Xtreme VV currently has more players than Ninja Gaiden 4.
>>724704493because it's a throwback to the older NGs you faggot, go and suffer if you hold forward like a drone
>>724703783I love popping in niche games like God of War 2 and DMC 3. You know. Really obscure stuff. If I start feeling really randy I might dust off Ninja Gaiden Black and have a go. You've probably never heard of it
>>724704548you have to do the first purgatory with hayabusa with missing tech that you had for the whole game, it's just dumb
>>724701087Still have no idea what people mean by this? The urban and temple settings all look nice and have a lot of good grapple/wallrunning during combat, and the nightclub/water stages atleast had a fun gimmick. Compared to some of the greybrown slop in NG2 and 3 I think it's much better. I like NG4 but NG1 is the only game with actual good level design if we're being real
>>724682567the question is why did a bad game like Ninja Gaiden 4 underperform despite being parry and dodge slop, and having shitty filler sections like all other popular games nowadays?
>>724704562You might notice that those are 20 year old games, anon. That's like pretending 2D platformers aren't a niche genre today because they were super popular during the NES days.
>>724704562These are all games everyone has heard of and knows that they're "important" but barely anyone has actually played. Yes, action games are niche. God of War was successful not as an action game but as a game that tried to be like a movie when it was a new a novel idea (literally the whole marketing for the game)
>>724682567because ng4 is shit and you have no standards. just like anything made by platinum, its only loved because of the eye candy combat full of easy combos
>>724704976What are the hard combos that were in the old NG games?
>>724705619Here's a combo you could do: YWNBAW
>>724705619where did i say the old games had hard combos you illiterate retard?
Soulslike players don't actually like challenging themselves. They just grind 'til they can breeze through the game. NG4 isn't an open-ended 3D Metroidvania, so the only way around a challenge is by ramming through it. The previous entries have the same reputation, and because of that, the series has garnered a small, but devoted following of masochists. It shouldn't come as surprise that NG4 isn't selling like gang busters.
>>724690021Ding ding ding retard alert. See people, THIS is the kind of faggot that hates on 3RE. Can't even beat the first chapter. Can't adapt to the new defense system of the enemies. L M F A O git gud you pathetic ninja dog
>>724682567Just finished NG4. Loved it.Where do I go from there? I played all the old games and also DMC, Bayonetta, MGR.
>>724709189God Hand.
*saves action games*
>>724709995*runs at 40 fps while stuttering trying to load in the open world*
>>724682567Critically it did pretty well though.
>>724704712I'm not quite sure what you mean with NG2 by "gray brown slop". The least interesting area to me was the New York area.
NG4 is very good
>>724703832The only single bug there I've ever encountered even once was the gaja bug in my recent playtrhough, and that's quite an inconsequential one at that and it fixed itself. The staircase slowdown isn't even a bug, that's just framedrop, and I'm pretty sure it's not a thing on xbox one x and onwards. Your console shitting itself is probably a factor since modern xboxes are basically set up to die. These bugs would otherwise have to be incredibly rare or fixed because I've played this game on an Xbox One X, and an original Xbox One, with, like I said, only the gaja bug.
>>724705619https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx__jWlM7BYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR6ii728SMo
>>724693783Yeah the demons look pretty cool. They looked like shit in 2 black. But on the other hand the white tech ninjas you fight look kinda lame.
>>724710690Noticed I forgot image. Anyways, how many people that speak poorly of NG2 even beat it?
Can I just say I fucking hate those stupid fat fuck kettle daemons. Especially the stupid purple ones. Why the fuck can I only do decent damage on them using bloodbath mode? In fact why the fuck am I using bloodbath mode so often? Sick of holding the left trigger and watching my stamina bar.
>>724707745casuals love "challenge" but they detest complexity. that's why nioh is not as popular even though the gameplay is in another stratosphere compared to souls shit.
>>724709995Watch it be an even bigger flop than NG4
Vanilla 2 is dogshitNG4 is dogshitHell NG4 is so fucking bad it might be as bad as Razor Edge. Black 1 Black 2.
>My main real issue with the game is all the environments kinda suck.Im tired of zoomnigger corridor-arena games, they are too stupid to actually play a maze game and the devs know it, thats hilariousGameplay sucks too, literal dogshit game
>>724682567people are retarded just look whats popular now>stream friendslop.If its not pushed by streamers game is done for. >>724685128>1: Gamers don't actually like play hardcore games, they like to play easy games that pretend to be hardcore (most Souls games)Thank you.
>>724710690>>724712782the werewolf level, some of the urban sections, brazil between the beginning and end, and many of the extra areas are very brown even though yes it does have some other areas that relatively more "colored". Even the places that have color are still generally pretty muted.
>>724714065NG4 is a bad game and no one is going to waste their time playing it, has nothing to do with difficulty. Also get a life you unlikable loser.
>>724709995Nioh would be a great series without the loot cancer. The games are just a grindfest mess of very poor encounter tuning.
>>724709189assault spy
>>724712782>Anyways, how many people that speak poorly of NG2 even beat it?Yeah?, why do you think most people that talk shit about NG4 never finished it either? People wanted quality, next time paint it black. Or just erase 4 , that's ok too.
>>724690824That sums it up pretty well
>>724682567Jews
>>724691481A game like exactly NG4 where you play as a hot girl who gets raped and executed when you die like House of Valdez would be a sweet game. Get on it, Japan.
>>724690021>RE hater couldn't even clear the spider tankreddit has better NG discussion
>>724693513Try a fighting game, PvE babby. Omae wa mo shinde iru
>>724714880Fighting games are dead, they killed the genre by casualing it to the point that nigros were able to beat asians. Reminder that niggers are basically 2 steps away from chimps
This Buddha statue boss though. I dropped the game, it is too hard
>>724685959Is Bayonetta 2 and 3 are good games?
>>724714935And you cant beat these chimps you speak of. You cant deliver in a one v one setting. Your pride is ginormous. You cant face defeat so behind racism. You suck, thats the truth. Facing a human or a predictable AI? PvE will always be for babbys living at home with momma
>>724715103Because the scene devolved into bullying and chimping out. Or went back into bullying and chimping out... but the genre never recovered from it, it's pure casual garbage now.>racistI'm the least racist person in the world. I hate everyone.
>>724715103nigga only 5% of people beat og2 on normal even, clearly those enemy AIs are too hard for 95% of gamerslet ALONE MN
>>724692975>god handlmao I like how you're just claiming this to prop up your dumb list. It's entirely Shinji Mikami that made this game so great. He made Vanquish for Shatinum games and that's it. They havent made anything close to god hand since he left. Fucking dumbass.
>>724682567NG is a niche game in that it's designed for people who want challenges and hardcore gaming.Even when NG4 came with an even more forgiving Hero mode, even on this difficulty level the game can be demanding. I switched to it from Normal after the 1st boss kicked my ass one too many times. Against normal non-boss enemies I was fine. It's the bosses that will kick your ass and I will return to playing Normal after my 1st walkthrough.
>>724714972yes. that's the perfect example. they're much worse than bayonetta 1, but much better than 99% of action games.
>>724714219I don't know, doesn't look muted to me. There's a bit of a haze and it's especially apparent at some points. There are times like when volf summons the storm and everything is brown for that. Didn't bother me. I don't know about Black 2 or Sigma 2. Sigma 2 has some graphical differences and lighting differences.
>>724715229>name 6 clover/ platinum games>ok>N-NOOO DON'Tfag
>>724714219combat arenas are still way more diverse and memorable than any in NG4>oh here's an open area. here's another open area. oh would you look at that, another open area.
>>724715210Totally, so how many gamers would beat Daigo or Infiltration on normal? Not even 0.0000001% of gamers can beat a pro fighting game player. We win, PvE teen
>>724715443>Totally, so how many gamers would beat Daigoafter sf6 and sf5 killed sf? tons
>>724715301NG4 is more shatinum coded than anything else. Clover actually knew how to make combat interesting.
>>724715443Oh 0.0001%? Guess how many people have beaten NG2 on MN in one sitting with 0 deaths. Nobody. No one in the ENTIRE WORLD has done deathless 1cc of MN to this day. 0>0.0001
>>724715609>deathless runThats not the argument here. We can always move the goal posts. How many casual gamers can beat Daigo in a FT100 set without being hit once? No one. See I moved the goal posts
>>724715437no idea what ng4 you played, many of those open areas have more claustrophobic fights between them. Maybe not enough to your liking which sure, that's fine
>>724715738Nope, you said PVP is harder than PVE.People have beaten Daigo before. No one has 1cc og2 MN. >without being hit onceThat’s not what I said you fucking nigger I said no deaths 1cc. Jump off the nearest bridge.
>>724715829NTA but 80% of the fights in NG4 take place in what looks like a fighting game practice stage. Large, flat black or white surfaces surrounded by shipping containers. The mountain level is different but is also just plain brown dirt and stone evrywhere. The sewer level is ironically the only part of the game with some colours.
>>724715940Yes, you moved the goal posts. The original argument was about gamers being able to finish master ninja. That's it. If you are allowed to change the criteria of the difficulty so am I. You suck at rhetoric, kid
>>724714972Bayo 3 is absolute dogshit. Bayo 2 is solid but worse than 1 obviously.
>>724716183this is objectively false. ng4 constantly includes grappling points, pits, specifically placed wall run spots, wind tunnels to glide on etc during combat to keep the player moving. they're much better about this than ninja gaiden 2 and 3, which would mostly have completely empty arenas often surrounded by invisible walls
>>724716274No you’re just retarded and a genetic reject like all fgcucks
>>724716435NG2 is the KH2 of the series. Large empty rooms with no interaction. Only a few of the stages look visually appealing and they are in the early stages.
>>724716529Jesus Christ loves you
>>724716435I don't care one lick about grappling around on walls mid-combat, it feels terrible to do that anyway. And all the pits do is make every fight against humanoids a total joke because of GT. The visual design of the levels is abhorrent and some of the worst I have ever seen. There were two times in the game when I fought somewhere and thought "this place is kind of cool" and it was the sewer disco entrance and then the sewer disco dance floor.
>>724716705>sewer disco dance floori dont think i have ever seen a sewer disco dance floor. i will buy your game
>>724715230The boss patterns are all designed around ending their combo with a red attack that you can break/stagger with the blood meter. I guess when someone gets good enough, they can turn the indicators off and just go by animations.
>>724715571You can't tell the difference between stt and attack animations with forward movement
No one has ever finished Super Mario Brothers 1 without jumping. Ergo, it is the hardest game in video game history.
holy fucking cope
>>724682567>Non white male mc No thanks
>>724717086That girl is botox filler city. The FGC is into proper beautiful women
>that second half of that tengu boss fightIs that shit supposed to be annoying as shit to deal with, or is it just me?
>>724682567>image not relatedFuck the emo onions femboy Why ryu just got 1 weapon and less screen time
>>724682567>Male protag badass ninja guy who you can pretend is white if you really try>no gay shit>all women are bimbo sex objects>weeaboo fedora wearer aesthetics and gameplayI dont get it either. It has everything chuds have been asking for.
>>724682567wrongsee Elden Ring
>>724682567Financially there are many reasons, but critically it makes sense and is not a bad thing. Universal acclaim just means it didn't filter anyone. Something truly divisive by definition can't possibly get universal acclaim. It needs enough lower scores from people who didn't click with it.If it clicks with everyone, it'll probably not become anyone's favorite. God of War Ragnarok is at 94 on metacritic. The only discussion about it that exists now, only three years later, is people either mocking it or heavily criticizing it. The people who gave it 10s moved on a week later and never looked back.The way games are rated feels like they all start with 10 and lose points every time the reviewer feels offended by some design or narrative element, instead of everything starting at 0 and it being rated on how special the experience was.
>>724709995looting and stances autism ruined
>>724688193Not really. I don't think the people saying this ever played a Batman game. The reason why it's called "magnetism" or "suck to target" is because that's exactly what it does, it's not just that attacks have forward momentum or big hitboxes, you literally don't know what animation will play when you press the attack button because the game will choose for you to make sure you'll hit the enemy.I think too many people joining the discussion on action games now were too young to be discussing them back in the mid 2000s, so they just repeat stuff they heard their favorite millenial youtubers talking about when doing let's plays of action games. "Batman magnetism" doesn't belong in this discussion at all, no matter how you feel about the combat in NG4.
>>724717813>Yakumo>"male">"badass">"no gay shit"i'm not exaggerating when I say Yakumo's design is so terrible it is the primary reason this is the worst selling Ninja Gaiden game.
>>724689165There literally isn’t. Yakumo just lunges forward 6-8 linear feet every time he swings his sword. You can do this in an empty space trying to smash boxes and watch him fling himself across the entire area like the floor is black ice and he’s wearing a jetpack.It’s mobile. There’s no magnetism. The game does not adjust your positioning to prevent you from whiffing.
>>724717218It’s obnoxious but you can whack his butt when he’s floating. Also flight-jump aside, you CAN Bloodraven the windup on his jet fighter lunge.That whole area was a nightmare. I got ganked perpetually by the white braid tengu fucks constantly and racked up like 42 deaths… the next area after Tengu Boss I died literally twice. That whole area feels a little too hard for how little kit you’re given to handle it; I bet I could stomp it with my just fancy new charge AoE hammer.
>>724691481That would actually have been really cool if another DOA girl was just there as part of Yakumo's gang. Marie Rose would fit nicely.
>>724714357Diablo loot is a core part of nioh and anyone who disagree is a retard that never play it past new game
>>724719107The way Platinum treated the characters from the NG/DoA world indicates they are one step short of outright hatred towards them and deliberately veered away from it as much as possible.
>>724709995Nioh is an overrated garbage franchise with the worst dogshit combat ever, all you need to do is ki-pulse and attack spam and enemies never get a chance to fight back because they will have no ki. Souls games are more challenging than Nioh, because at least in souls games enemies get the chance to attack the player.
How do I play Razors Edge /v/? After easily clearing the other 2 NGS games from the collection, I am getting my fucking ass stomped out in this one. Playing on Hard, of course, because that's the highest difficulty it allows currently.
>>724718510Exactly. They need to understand that this right here is what sells games
>>724719961SoB spam.
>>724719592Im assuming you never played Nioh and absorbed just enough information from shitting up those threads to kinda sound like you know what you're talking.
>>724719961hold Y has iframes
>>724719961Spam SoBs by delimbing enemies and then sliding around themFor enemies like the gorilla just mash buttons until it parries into a red attack and mash SoBSpam Y into UT charge hold against alchemists to break their shields and then charge UTs (they can't do anything while charging their shields)Spam Lunar UTs against everything elseFor Ayane just spam XXX>Y hold attack against every enemy
>>724720073They do that at random. It's unreliable as a main tactic.>>724720154Every I try to my ass gets lit up. Especially bad at the Ayane triple black dudes fight.
>>724720341>Especially bad at the Ayane triple black dudes fight.Spam XX>X against them and start the fight with a UT
>>724720283Is there any specific combos I should be using?Sigma 1 and 2 were pretty much Izuna, 360Y, or XYY into downed Y on everything, had a hojillion iframes and killed everything outside of bosses.
>>724720507Funny you say that because every time I tried to start with a UT they just sat there and spammed blue ki blasts like it was DBZ. The button reading in this game is unreal at times.
This is not Ninja Gaiden related but all the action game heads are here so this is where I’ll ask:Has anyone ever had a positive experience/seen a really good example of an auto-counter technique that DOESN’T rely on meter/resources to be well-balanced? Something like DMC5’s Royal Revenge or Silksong’s Cross Stitch, except both of those are metered to prevent them from being OP due to spam.
>>724684629retard
>>724720745Any counter relying on timing is balanced by fact of relying on timing, meter or no. If it gives too much reward, that's the devs fault, not the players.Anyway, Sekiro.
>>724720341Ayane hold Y is especially busted but the sword alchemists are niggers and will hyper armor whenever they feel like it.Spam some low commit string like XXY,hold Y and pray you don't get too many cheap hits>They do that at randomThere's some consistency. Snakes and brutes tend to red grab if you chase their combo breaks and all enemies have increased red grab chance when you're UT charging.
>>724684629NG1 had the equivalent of yellow paint, actionsfags are braindead, the paint is needed. Play the high IQ Souls genre if you don't want yellow paint.
>>724720540XX>XY, XXXYYY, and just the new hold moves in general
>>724719408meds
>>724721069Is that for the Lunar or sword?Also what upgrades should I prioritize, I already had to spend a life bar upgrade.
>>724688536Better is a subjective term. The gameplay is more accessible to a much wider base of people that could never be bothered to look past the technical limitations or stylistic choices of the originals. Those people will use the term "better" without any thought of if they are fairly judging both games.>>724682567Hard games that revel in how hard they are shouldn't be surprised if the player base starts to dry up over time. NG has always had next to no story, the most generic Protagonist short off Gordon Freeman or Master Chief. All it's ever had going for it is extreme blood spray, a little T&A and it's "hard" action game. It's kind of the Mortal Kombat of action games minus the "hard" part.
>>724721069XXXYYY in razor's edge for DS is disgusting. I think you need either DS level 2 or 3 for it but once you get it there's no need for any other DS string. You insta bloody pretty much anything.
>>724721469For the sword, you can beat the whole game with itLunar is only good because of its UTI'd just upgrade the sword and void ninpo once you unlock it to max and then save money for emergency HP upgrades
>>724688536>>RE remakes>Play better than the originals>>SH2 remake>Plays better than the original>>FF7's remakes>Play better than the originalAlso all worse than originals. Crazy how the game becoming more accessible and palattable gameplay wise comes at the cost of literally everything else that made that game unique.
>>724721469for lunar it really doesn't matter what string you use, all basic X into Y into hold Y are interchangable and good.meditation is a good unlock, life upgrades should be saved for skull challenges or bullshit segments like helicopter boss. pick one weapon and upgrade it to lvl3 asap so you use full extended Y strings.also consider getting scythe lvl2 for 360Y for bullshit you don't feel like fighting.
>>724719961Razors Edge clicks but it's just more focused and sped up 2. Pick a guy, stun with either wind path or dash into him and then bloody ASAP. Once someone is bloodied you can do pretty much anything with them. Abuse dash, abuse wind path ( and wind path redirect ), abuse shurikens for stuns and most importantly learn how to cancel and skip as many animations as possible so Ryu turns into a biomechanical beyblade. You can cancel the end lag of an izuna drop by doing >X (windmill slash) just as their head hits the floor. You can cancel wind path end lag with shurikens so immediately land near them to start your combo while they recover from wind path, redirect wind path to chain it more effectively etc etc. Non stop aggression. I think in this regard, 4 feels more like RE to me than any other entry.
>>724716897Yeah, but before that they will still unleash flurries of combos. And God have mercy on you if you are not close enough to smash through the moment they will unleash their unblockable attacks.
>>724720889Obviously a timing-based defensive maneuver is balanced, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about an "assume the position" maneuver where if an enemy hits you during your active frames, you auto-counter the damage. Something you'd have to use tactically rather than reflexively.
>>724722164Oh, I did use my health increase during that helicopter. Good to know.
>>724722164Terrible game design holy hellIt's a shame because combat is great on 3
>>724715571Of course MasterNinjaRyu would be dishonest by sliding in his examples
>>724719961You need to understand the new mechanics like bloodied enemies and use heavy attacks to break guards.When enemies are bloodied up they are far more likely to be combo'd by you.
>>724682660they can thats why those bamham games sold so well, its combos that filter plebs
>>724714235>NG4 is a bad game and no one is going to waste their time playing it
>>724689143chink game, peak, chink gooner game, soulsslop,japan wow really a great lineup
>>724724351I understand those, it's just the enemies themselves bring total cunts more or less. It feels like any time I try to swing on anything two more are hitting me in the back.
>>724701015>It all goes up from there.the alchemists would like a word
>>724725331Alchemists are great enemies unironically. Once the combat clicked with me they became some of the most fun to fight in the series.
>>724725176Nice job anon, I'm still working through my achievements but I mean to 100% this game, it's like crack.
>>724725473>>724725331Alchemists are unironically some of the best 'bosses' in the series because it's a multiple enemy boss fight but they're also all human sized so you can use most of your tools on them. Very fun.
>>724725473>great enemies>can cancel any attack mid startup>hyperarmor on everything>hardcoded combo escapes on every stringthey could've been amazing but the execution is fucking awful and in practice you end up abusing one of the boring safe strats
>>724720081Stop the cope you little faggot. Ki pulsing is overpowered and enemies can't compete. Don't even get me strarted on sloth and confusion. Nioh is overrated garbage, a braindead easy mode combat system that only requires you to ki pulse. FromSoftware souls games might be braindead, but they are more engaging in than Nioh because at least I have to position and dodge every now and then because enemies actually get a chance to fight back. Enemies can't do much in Nioh because they are tied to their ki.
>>724684629NG4 is best in the series.
Because good games are made for small audiences.If you make a game for everyone, in reality, it doesn't directly appeal to anyone and most people just think it's okay. Anything good is only appreciated by a small group
>>724720081>>724726365Also, this is why DaSII:SOTFS is the best Souls game, because enemies are the most capable and able to fight back out of the other soulsborne games.Nioh could have been great, but Team Ninja is incompetent and clueless. They should remove ki from enemies and give them a fighting chance.
>>724720341>They do that at random. It's unreliable as a main tactic.Because you suck.
>>724719961Razor's Edge is much more about direct combat and keeping up aggression at all times rather than trying to stay in iframes as much as possible like NG2. Enemies can have very strong defense so you keep them locked down with strings (Ryu's new strings are insanely powerful), then when you get enemies bloodied up their defense will be weaker and you can use moves like izuna drop, flying swallow and GT to kill them easily. I'm not exactly good at the game yet (done Ultimate Ninja and working through all the trials now) but I enjoy this combat much more than the playstyle NG2 and NG4 encourage.
>>724682567usually they're made for niche audiences that can appreciate the gameplay design. main stream vidya "fans" are people who basically consume exclusively AAA open world slop usually aren't looking for tight mechanical experiences, they're looking for something they can turn their brain off to.
>>724722964>combat is great on 3Nope. SoB spam garbage.
Do you HAVE to use on landing UT striaght into ninpo do deal with the fiend dogs before the savepoint in the underworld? I know you don't have to on chapter 11 but I don't know how much of that is because of the more varied and uneven surfae you fight on. I can't seem to avoid getting grabbed by these stupid things. If I can manage to get an attack out without it happenning, then surely when I'm recovering from the attack they do it, during which, as far as I'm aware, there's no defense outside of a ninpo which gives you instant I-frames.
>>724720612>The button reading>Complex AI is actually just button reading!Gamers deserve to be fucked by souls for the rest of eternity. Learn what position slots, "kung fu circle", states and ticket systems are before speaking.
>>724726659It is so sad that NG3:RE is an absolute dogshit game, but still the best game Team Ninja has made after Itagaki left them. It is crazy how bad, easy and boring nioh, sop, wo long and ronin are.
>>724726515I can't even tell anymore if people are false flagging or not.
>>724726798Baiting out raw SoBs with nothing in between only works on Acolyte, enemies are too aggressive for you to just sit there and block, and if you win your fights by spending 15 minutes dodging waiting for red attacks to SoB then you are just a dogshit player.
>>724727078Nevermind I guess you don't.
>>724727504Yep. Doesn't even matter anymore.
>>724682567All they had to do was not make the pc port shit.
https://x.com/incneet/status/1983983270019908024Decent clips are finally starting to emerge from top players. It may have been a financial flop but at least the game looks okay if in the right hands.
>>724715571>"suck to target">even when there isn't a targetYou should be disallowed from having an opinion on action games.
>>724728223lol that skating
>>724726659executions are so fucking lame
>>724728053>decent clipsroflmaothis nigga sweating fighting three braindead zombies and the giant fiend that only hops backwards.
>>724728223 mobile tier
>>724682567>good gamespic unrelated?
>>724728462yes that's what happens when the areas are 10x bigger than previous games
>>724728462The forward movement on Yakumo's attacks was obviously tuned for game balance, not animation consistency. It's also not the point, the point is the game isn't doing anything to move you into position for an attack. It's just making you step/leap forward as each attack comes out, which is a staple of literally every action game ever made.
>>724727542Yeah, only on Acolyte and totally not even on UN trials lolhttps://youtu.be/CAqZelpsS0o?si=JbY3Y9yV2Hu6Y0hA&t=33Just look at this shit, it's like 3 minutes of nothing but SoB spam
>>724728615>yes that's what happens when we make the game badYes.
>>724728728that's what happens when you make a unique NG just how NG2 is unique and NG3 is unique compared to the first 3d NG
This shit's hard, man.
>>724684629>This game is not to the quality of NGB or NGIINGB, sure. NGII was an unfinished mess, this game is much more polished and actually finished.
>>724728728But it's the best Ninja Gaiden game so far.
>>724728660I already told you in my post. This playstyle is indicative of a dogshit player.
I can understand liking NGB over 4, they focus on different things and are structured pretty differently. But all 2 and 3 have going for them is combat against basic enemies, every other part of those games suck ass. NG2's bosses might be some of the worst of all time.
>>724728817Yes, yes. It's just what happens when you keep making games worse. I still don't find it funny.
>>724729651NG4's gameplay is great but the game is SO unbelievably dull and dreary that I can't bring myself to play it more after clearing MN. The entire game is just big empty square arenas made of concrete surrounded by shipping crates. There is no part of the game to look forward to, nothing to be excited about. It's all "wow another gliding segment, another on rails segment, another fight in a black and white rectangle". Ninja Gaiden isn't known for story but even NG2 and 3RE have cool characters show up every now and then, but NG4 genuinely has nothing.
>>724694035Shitposting aside it does baffle me how many people resort to playing the releases or dealing with Xenia bugs instead of just fucking buying a used 360 to play the original games. Maybe I'm out of touch but the console has to be the cost of like, two new AAA games at this point. Even if you're only buying it for two games it's a totally reasonable investment, just slightly annoying that you have to hook it up separately. Yet people will subject themselves to Sigma instead.
>>724730850Sigma is just the better version. Cope and seethe.
I'm playing on Normal and I already think this is on part with NG2 on at least Mentor. I can't imagine how hard Hard and MN are going to be. This game just doesn't give a fuck about encounter design or anything.>enemies attack from off screen literally all the time with no distinct audio cues>every single enemy has super ebin delayed attack swing animations they'll do from off screen so if you're in an arena with multiple strong enemies good lucking guessing the timing>obscenely high damage from every enemy>ranged spitter zombies have no audio or visual cues, they aren't even that visually different from standard zombies>you will take damage from a ranged zombie's acid puddle before you even gain control of Yakumo/Ryu again if you're doing an Obliteration technique>poison jar enemies punish you for successfully killing them by leaving a gigantic poison area for 15 seconds after they die>game is clearly incredibly counter/parry heavy but is fast paced, has intentional delayed swing attacks from every enemy, and dismal audio cuesAnd to top all of this off you're actively penalized for using items which has never been in the case for the 3D Ninja Gaiden games. Yeah I'm glad on some level they made the game hard, but this feels incredibly overwhelming even for someone who is pretty season with action games.
>>724694035The only true ninja gaiden fans are the ones who grew up with the NES games. The rest of you are psueds.
>>7246846294 just feels so empty compared to the previous games in the series, all the stupid surfing, gliding and rail grinding was such obvious padding and takes up like a third of the games length. Level and enemy variety was really bad it doesn't even surpass RE imo in these departments, adding a brand new character instead of just using one that already exist like Ayane or Kasumi was fucking stupid and Yakumo will guarantee never show up in the series again if we ever get another game.
>>724731271Oh and don't even get me started on the bosses. The bosses in this game are fucking ridiculous. Boss battles are clearly balanced around perfect Raven/Gleam counters and even on Normal they'll kill you in a single combo.
>>724727504how could that possibly be a false flag? good games are made by people who understand people like them, and it resonates. Making a game for everyone? no way
>>724731605I think the worst thing about the level design is how linear it is on top of the absurd amounts of "points of no return" there are. The game has all these gay ass side missions but then heavily limits your ability to explore/back track. You didn't find this super secret battle before you wall ran along this particular wall? Sorry you missed out no item for you ever and no you can't restart the mission :)
>>724732363To add, it's even worse on Ryu because some of these are literal combat techniques. What fucking stupid game design.
>>724732363so how is it really linear but you keep missing shit? are you retarded?
>game only sold 12k copies in Japan >https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/249830/famitsu-sales-week-43-2025-oct-20-oct-26/OOF!
>>724732749Even japs are fags now. Wtf
Here's your revival of a long-dormant franchise bro:>Timeskip the setting over 20 years into the future so the series protagonist is basically an old man>Write a story where the series protagonist is literally forbidden from having a significant role because of a made-up prophecy>Have 80% of the game be taken up by a new protagonist instead>The new protagonist is so soulless and devoid of character that it almost seems like he is intentionally filling the void with absolutely nothing to ensure the franchise has no future potential>Series old protagonist only shows up and is playable in the last 20% of the game>He is only playable in condensed versions of previously completed levels fighting the same bosses>He only has one weapon with a gimped moveset that mostly relies on a reskin of the new protagonist's gimmick (Gleam) rather than his own classic moves>His playable segments last 2 hours max>The last thing the series protagonist does in his own franchise is lose a fight to the new OC and then disappear for the finale>Every other character from the series is erased and forgotten>Game massively flops (what a surprise) so the franchise is definitively overI have never seen a franchise be treated more maliciously by a new developer. Even Yaiba had some decency in how it treated the same franchise. Fucking hell. Rest in peace Ninja Gaiden.
>>724731271>started playing MN today>get hit for 1/4 my health from the most basic bitch enemyBoy i can already feel the pain. I can't even imagine how those tengu fucks on the mountain level will tear my asshole.
>>724732692You know what I mean. The game is like DMC5 where it's a hallway simulator with some offshoots leading to hidden fights and some of these are insanely easy to miss. Some require dropping down into areas you would otherwise thinks are just regular drops that would drain your HP. It's stupid. Funny how NGB rewarded exploration but didn't cock block the player from back tracking almost the entirety of Tairon. No, here we get always and "fuck you" points of no return. You missed something? Good luck on your next playthrough. There was some of that in NGB but NG4 is far more egregious with this because the game actively hinders your ability to backtrack. They go so far as to put those blue barrier holographic walls so you can't attempt to jump back into certain areas from wall running.
>>724733021Yeah luckily I only play these games for combat. Fucking tired of them turning the protags into boomers though.
>>724732749why would ANYONE buy this game outside of hardcore fans? it's on fucking gamespass.
>>724733021What hurts even more is it didn't have to be this way, the NG producer wanted to do a kunoichi Gaiden game but it got rejected also Platinum were the ones that insisted on the new protagonist apparently.https://youtu.be/YSHqmrH-2l4?si=eZIJHWeEYDxZePCc&t=1095
>>724733239The amount of people in Japan with gamepass is virtually nonexistent.
>>724733507proofs?
BEHOLD YOUR REFLECTIOOOONSTARE YOURSELF DOWN FACE TO FAAAACE
>>724733021>Even Yaiba had some decency in how it treated the same franchise.Unironically. Ryu was treated insanely well for how batshit that game is. Even Momiji is there. The scene where Ryu fucking does a massive DBZ Izuna Drop on Yaiba is fucking awesome. Looking back, Yaiba had more respect for the franchise than this.
>>724733802Ryu was a fucking beast in that game. I like that the game doesn't do the whole "he's your enemy but actually it's just a misunderstanding and you join forces" Nah, Ryu and Yaiba straight up want to fucking murder each other and nothing is held back. And Ryu wins.
>>724730454except the mountains, underground lake, night club and hell
>>724732749Japs only play bing bing wahoo now.
>>724720745cloud in ff7r has a mode that autocounters anything he blocks for freebalanced by the mode being shittier otherwise and enemies having unblockables
Why are the Japanese completely inept at computer games? It makes no sense. If I didn't know better, I'd assume that they're masters of it.
>>724731271I feel like the main distinction between NG and other action games is the unreactable attacks forcing you to act proactively to remove threats instead of just waiting around for the dodge cue so things like enemies attacking from off-screen with no warning sounds like a good thing frankly. It's like shooters being designed around hitscanning enemies.
Quality of the game has little to do with it's popularity, people seem to buy obviously mediocre games just because they feel like buying them (because of a recognizable title, familiar characters, high fidelity graphics, memes, streamers, open worlds, casual word of mouth etc). People that say the game is not good enough or too hard or whatever completely miss the point. In order to know whether the game is good you have to play it first which not many people did obviously, at least compared to popular slop.Objectively NG4's "problems" were lack of proper marketing (I learned about it through 4chan, not the helicopter stunt) and recognizable characters, as well as uninviting visuals (it doesn't look too fun on 480p video) and honestly just the fact that this autumn was fucking stacked.
>>724731271Cosign. I’m on normal and by mission 07 I had to break my “no items” rule to permit myself one revive incense per level because I have just been getting utterly filtered.It’s great though. Sometimes I feel like the game is unfair, but mostly I know it’s a skill issue. And even when it’s “unfair”, I know I’ve put myself into that situation. Had my tactics been better I wouldn’t BE wall-stuck with 3 club rapists cornering me and no bloodbind to hammer clear.
>>724733021>Even Yaiba had some decency in how it treated the same franchise.Shut the fuck up dumb retard.
>>724733126The game gives you a “where do I go now” witcher vision button; use it to determine where you should go LAST. Once I started doing this I had a lot more fun exploring.
>>724736021Nice argument fucktard. Yaiba had Ryu show up constantly and made every effort to make him look like a badass, and he kicks the new protagonist's ass. It also had Momiji show up often and the new protagonist couldn't stop talking about how he wants to smother himself in her breasts. What did NG4 do other than take a fat shit on the franchise's legacy and future?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7l9MGREXjY
>>724714969Bosses are easy if you hit them them a bloodbath parry. You knock out a third of their health with one parry and its follow up hits.
>>724737886I feel bad that Team Ninja has to attempt to join in on the marketing for this game. They may not be a perfect studio recently (I still enjoyed all their games but Ronin and Wo Long were not great) but they deserve better than to have their name attached to Platinum's doomed death throes.
>>724738078It's their own fault for being fags that only want to chase the latest gaming fad then just making the game themselves I don't feel sorry for them at all given their abysmal decisions as a company over the past decade.
The more I play these games the more I realise that you don’t really need a mastery of different combos. You just need to know the different basic moves (the launcher, the air slam, the throw, the flying swallow, the itzuna drop, the parry, the dodge, the obliterate, the ultimate technique, and the shurikens) and then in between them you can just mash X or Y or any combination of X or Y. I’m not really critiquing the game but I just think it’s interesting that people give bamham and souls combat hate for mostly being ‘mash one button’ to attack when these games are pretty much the same beneath the surface.
>>724682567I plan to buy it but I want to play the other Ninja Gaiden games first. They've been on my to-do list for a decade+ at this stage and I keep putting them off.
At a minimum all this game needed to be perfect is:- a cooler protagonist (Ryu)- more colour in the world
>>724738853For the most part, learning strings comes down to “knowing Izuna Drop” until you’re playing at a high enough level that you’re evaluating delimb rates against hitbox sizes.
>>724738853that applies to the katana sort of. the other weapons have different strengths so you use different strings.
>Why yes, my go to choice of weaponry when I play a ninja is a fucking jousting lanceWho okayed this?
>>724738853There are a couple in different games that have different uses, like in Bayo ones that lead into launchers, sweeps, Wicked Weaves. Maybe the really good players get more use out of them. But yeah, that's how it feels to me too,I guess you can give credit to the games like DMC or W101 that don't bother bloating your movelist with a million XYXYX combos seeing as how you only really need one or two, like in old beat 'em ups.As far as the Souls comparison goes, people bitch about them just being pressing dodge at the right time and mashing light attack. But a lot of Platinum fights especially feel like it boils down to the same thing except there's no commitment because your parry/dodge can cancel your attacks, although I guess group fights have more crowd control.
>>724739065If it had those two things and had Ayane, Momiji or some other pretty ninja girl appear in some capacity I am certain it would have sold a million by now.
>>724740105For my game I put the unique knockback effect on the fifth hit and just let you cross over strings wherever you want; XX, XXY has the same third and last hits as Y, YXYY. So you can adapt to string “properties” on the fly without memorizing a combo phone bookAztez had a somewhat similar system, but with just light and heavy.
>>724740105I will say, NG4 is a master class in making you be perceptive and cautious in boss fights instead of perpetually smashing attack until you see the hitbox about to happen… despite allowing you to frame cancel almost anything into a perfect dodge, block or parry.Bloodraven interrupt is such a good god damn mechanic. I love it so much. I love feeling like I’m in total control, flying around like a human cuisinart, yet every single boss has me waiting for tells and memorizing patterns because I need to connect that hitbox on Bloodraven light JUST before the Black Shadow Go Fuck Yourself hitbox comes out.
>series entire identity is that it's too hard to enjoy playing>no marketing>replace MC with a random twink>yellow jizz everywheregee i wonder why people arent lining up to buy this game!
I’m still not entirely sure what the red exclamation mark moves do. Do they breakthrough my guard instantly? If they do does that mean I can’t dodge or parry anymore for a couple of seconds? Or do they ignore my block and just deal damage to me so I have to either dodge or use the blood parry to counter. Also are you supposed to only press left trigger and light attack to blood parry or can you still be holding right trigger because I always fail the parry when I try to do the latter.
>>724741385The red exclamation moves with the black shading on the character will shatter your guard, leaving you dazed and unresponsive momentarily, AND deal damage if you try to block, perfect block, or parry them (bloodraven block, perfect bloodraven block, and bloodraven parry work against them). The hitboxes can only be nullified with the iframes on the dodge. If you hit the enemy with a bloodraven attack during the windup on these moves, you will interrupt and stagger them.The effect when you engage bloodraven FROM a block is probably related to bloodraven counter; if you engage a bloodraven block at a perfect time you get a perfect block, and if you press the bloodraven button after a perfect block (not an attack, just the mode button) it will do the bloodraven counterattack.Incidentally, I’m not sure how much of this applies to AoE pool attacks. I don’t actually know if dodge i-frames negate those or not.
>>724741385The red exclamation mark in Ninja Gaiden 4 signifies an enemy's unblockable "power attack" that requires you to dodge or use your Bloodraven form to block. A regular block will break your guard, leaving you vulnerable. You can counter the attack by using your Bloodraven form to block or by knocking the enemy out of the animation with a Bloodraven attack while they are charging it.
>demons in Japan are literally just inanimate objects come to lifeWhat did they mean by this?
>get used to wind running for traversal all the time >it gets me killed in boss fights because yakumo jumps towards the boss attack instead of where my stick is pointed like outside of fights
What purpose do Misaki and Tyron serve that Umi doesn’t already serve?
>>724743029tyran teaches you moves obviously misaki exists so you don't have to escort seori through every level
>>724743029Misaki goes around with Seori. Tyron can train Yakumo and he just chills around.During development Tyron had a different role in the game. Art director said he was her favorite character. He also wields a scythe in concept art, and Yakumo has a bloodraven scythe in the two masters key art hmmm.
REWRITE YOUR FAAAATEWHILE WE PIERCE THE SKYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
>>724742684same, I put it on a shoulder macro too
>>724733621>>724743439Victor Borba fatigueHis faggy shit has no place on NG
>>724743439Kino>>724744004Not the older ones but it fit this game
>>724738853I'd say NGB has an above average amount of moveset utility.The DS has a lot of trash stuff but Lunar and Flails are incredibly well thought out.
>>724738853>hitting one button is the same as having a vast movesetthe kind of shit you fucking read here. just say UT spam wins you the game like the rest instead of being retarded
>>724738853Who the fuck is saying souls games are button mashers? Niggers really just say anything these days.
Is genshins sword dlc in this game?
Reminder that if you did not wager 90% of your health for every purgatory challenge then you did not beat the game
>>724738078Without Platinum this game would been even worse. Just look at everything else they've done and stop thinking it's still 2000s.
>>724738078Nioh is dogshit. Ronin has superior combat to the boring dogshit that is Nioh, but unfortunately, that superior combat is stuck in a dogshit open-world game.Team Ninja is garbage.
>>724748514>>724749874Platinum hasn't made a good game since 2013, meanwhile Team Ninja made an all-time great just 5 years ago and have made decent to good games since then. This will likely be Platinum's final game.
>>724751074Ninja Gaiden 4 is in the top 3 Platinum games imo, maybe even top 2 if the DLC turns out good. Crazy they made a game this good after all these years of them churning out mediocre shit
Ninja Gaiden 4 is better than Nier Melodrama. It’s got the nice combat of platinum games without the faggy and garbage open world fluff.
for the price they are asking the game doesn't offer enough. specially now with action games up the ass of the industry and people going back to play and discover older games.NG4 feels incomplete
>>724709995>Nioh 3 has body type A and B instead of male and female genderDead on Arrival.
>>724751274It has more content at launch than most games in this genre to be honest.
>>724751274It’s a single player game. Just wait like 3 months and get it on discount, or pirate it.
>>724751339which is an extremely low bar compared to today standards.the genre can't just be an arcade title to test your skills and ask for $70+DLC
>>724682567>Action slop>good
>>724740473They're going to have to make a Black/Sigma/Plus version of 4 then. KT always makes an updated version of their games.
>>724751131I think this is the third best game Platinum have made, but I wouldn't consider it very good. Safe 7.5 territory at best. If it wasn't called Ninja Gaiden, I would like it more.
>>724752418KT has very little to do with this game, they basically just give the license. It's a Platinum and Xbox game above all.
this game is hard as dick
I have two questions about this game. 1. Wy in the middle of the fight appears a red menu shitting up the battle how do I remove that shit in the motherfucking pacific sea of options this game has?2.I notice some shit like abilities if you die before a control room place they get lost wtf this shit doesnt save nothing can anyone explain how this game saves?
this game is unironically to hard
>>724753345Normal is fucking brutal. Hero mode blocks automatic
>>724753252I don’t know exactly where the checkpoints are placed. It seems random but roughly around where you access the shop. I agree it’s annoying having to repurchase abilities.
>>724751074What are you talking about? Team Ninja hasn't made anything good since Itagaki left. Nioh is dogshit.
>>724709995A GACHA CASINO DIABLO LOOT AUTISM BUILD MAKING MENU SIMULATOR WITH RPG ELEMENTS THAT LET YOU 1 SHOT BOSSES WILL SAVE ACTION GAMES!A TIME WASTING OPEN-WORLD/FIELD MAP WILL SAVE ACTION GAMES.DUMBED DOWN GROUP HUMANOID ENEMY AI WILL SAVE ACTION GAMES.
>>724754029yakumo has the upside down spinny move
>>724682567The game lacks personality.
>>724755152Who the fuck cares. It has good combat. I just want to sit down and start killing shit. Fuck story and aura.
>>724684629Sigma babies did not like this one.
>>724753854I'm talking about something that's for people with good taste, so you can stay out of it. Don't worry you wouldn't get it.
>>724755152Can't agree, the early 2000s edge is strong with this game.
>>724755502Lame. "Story and aura" is what makes an otherwise mediocre game great. Vergil is not actually a fantastic boss fight, he's just fine to fight. But his music, character, and dynamic with Dante is what makes him one of the greats. Senator Armstrong is objectively kind of a shit boss fight, he only has like 8 moves and half of them require the player to disengage and run away. But the music, dialogue and build up make it iconic and known to millions who haven't even played the game. A game with a lack of passion and heart in its story like Ninja Gaiden 4 will never achieve this.
>>724688068It can't be helped. The 4th game has buck broken fans a thousandfold. NG fans will never mentally or fiscally recover from this now that the NG franchise is permanently dead following Itagaki's death. It's like Berserk. No matter how hard you try, it's not the same without Miura.
>>724756581Vergil is not actually a fantastic boss fightwrong
>>724756709Ninja Gaiden 4 has way better fights than him. But Vergil and the Devil May Cry games in general were made with passion and people who loved the characters they were working with.Anyone who has touched an action game can quote you half a dozen of Vergil's lines. Now I'm a little motivated, foolishness Dante, shcum, cut you down, etc.Nobody will ever remember anything a character from Ninja Gaiden 4 says. In fact the only thing Yakumo is discussed for is how detached and completely uninterested he is. Uninterested, and uninteresting. Platinum were tasked with making an action game and they made a fun one, but they clearly have zero passion for Ninja Gaiden.
>>724756990the only fights in ng4 that are even as good as vergil 2 or 3 from dmc3 is the dark dragon phantom and maybe ryu.
>>724689143damn that's rough i kinda regret pirating it but shit we are in the middle of a recession it is not worth that price at all. Also fuck them for putting the cosmetics behind a deluxe edition paywall that's what really made me pirate the game more than anything
This may sounds like a rage bait post but I swear it's not.I don't like how snappy the combat is, I mean "snappy" as in how the character automatically slides into the enemy that's being locked on. So sometimes I want to attack or ninja jump into an enemy to the side of me, the character just slide an enemy in the distance in the front. And when I'm attacking a giant boss, I know the side or the back is the more safe position to be at, but the character just keep sliding to the center in front of the boss. It never feels like I have full control of the character and it doesn't make me feel very good.
>>724691481.......
>>724757669Sure I could agree with that, and nobody is going to remember the dark dragon phantom fight or the Ryu fight. There are no stakes or attachment to whatever is going on when the player character is a faceless emotionless mop completely detached from the narrative.
>>724756581But the game has plenty of heart and passion. I don't really get why claiming it just doesn't is supposed to be compelling reasoning. I've already seen plenty of raving about the fight with Ryu, the music of various bosses, the dynamics at play and how Ryu could completely punk Yakumo, etc.
>>724682567>do a lazy remake based on shitma>fans don't like it>why did our actual game underperform?I couldn't fathom why
>>724758610ng1 and 2 have even more nothing characters and stories than this game but, 2 decades later people still talk about alma, doku, genshit and liz.
Game was pure kino start to finish. Never listen to /v/.
>>724760295I've been saying that this whole time tho. Although I guess the people who haven't played the game feel differently for some reason.
Had a lot of fun with the game. It's not perfect, but I had more fun with it than with any action game that came out in the last 5 years.The thought of going back to roll or parry sloppa after playing this is making me fucking depressed.
Beat mn today, and this difficulty was littered with artificial difficulty. Mainly being the absurd enemy damage increase. On bosses you will be abusing the defense and attack increase items. Yakumos only good weapon is the dual swords. Still mad how bad they neutered the staff. Still seething how shit the combos are and how slow the hammer is. Bloodraven form is pretty shit on this difficulty since you the moves are slow and you have no i-frames. The only bloodraven moves i used was the dual sword a>x and the parry/block moves. Funny how people say these bosses are good when they devolve into parry/block bloodraven attack into autos. The mn clear numbers are also inflated since you can beat it in ng+. But this game is a 7/10 it doesnt even come close to ngb or ng2.
>>724682567I'm glad the 2 trannies who keep shilling this shit game here are going to kill themselves cause this game flopped LOL
>>724761417Real ng2chads disavow this monstrosity as a ng game
>>724761137>The thought of going back to roll or parry sloppa after playing this is making me fucking depressed.The nice thing is that the game is out and as good as it is. I'll be playing this one for a good long time.
Main character should had been Ryu again or Ayane, not this Nero-like guy no one asked for.
>>724731605Yes, 4 sucked ass. I was so bored by it I uninstalled it before even finishing, I genuinely have no idea why everyone is sucking its dick. It's a mediocre and unimpressive action game, I just think people glaze it because they're sick of souls likes, but it has all the worst parts of Platinum games, so I dropped it. Not even worth pirating lmao
>>724761417I'm glad it flopped, genuinely I think platinum games should fucking die already because they only have ever made sub-par action games
>>724761787OT animations in this game are so shit.
playing the game through chapter select on MN count for the achivement? or i have to start a new game?
>>724762276That OT is sick though
>>724762158Kill yourself souls shitter
>>724685128>The game is pure gameplay, no fluff.Absolutely wrong, at least 1/3 of this dogshit game is taken up by grinding on rails or using the wingsuit, along with sections where you're forced to walk slowly and listen to some faggot talk to you. NG4 is the DmC of NG, and it sucks
>>724762374Yeah chapter select works fine, you can play it as Ryu too if you want.
>>724762726>at least 1/3 of this dogshit game is taken up by grinding on rails or using the wingsuitmore like 1/20>where you're forced to walk slowly and listen to some faggot talk to youbarely happens after the first few chaptersyou didn't play it
>>724762726You haven't played the game
>start playing Ryu>they lock combat techniques behind missable chestswhat's the point of this?
>>724761137Somewhat agree. I remember not carrying much about action games in the last because the classic NG games were janky and enemies in DMC are just punching bags, but this game has shown me what good and fluid action combat can look like. I enjoyed Lies of P but I’m not sure if I can enjoy its sequel after experiencing this.
>>724682567Why does this game make NG2 fags seethe so much? Even my DMC fag and NG1 autist friends love NG4, I see Bayo fags praising the game too. The only hate I see is from Hardcore Itagaki NG2 purists which makes me even mire curious what that shilled youtuber electric underground guy will say about the game.
>>724763289Ninja Gaiden 2 has a fanbase of highly mentally ill/deranged schizophrenics that basically hate anything that isn't made by Itagaki alone (dont mention NG2 wasn't fully made by Itagaki btw or they will go into a full meltdown).
>>724761417Everyone knew it would flop because traditonal action games don't sell. You type like a faggot too. Post proof that you've beaten an action game.
>>724682567>70$Miss me with that shit.
>>724763289It doesn't. I like both games.
>>724763289Mark will probably be positive about the game.
>>724763289>The only hate I see is from Hardcore Itagaki NG2 purists which makes me even mire curious what that shilled youtuber electric underground guy will say about the gameYou mean Mork? They hate him. He even likes Sigma and 3RE. 2schizos worship guys like pic related.
>>724763289ng2 attracted a lot of middle eastern shithole turdworlders, most none turdworlders like the game.
>>724763289Obviously it isn't all NG2fags but a subsect of that fanbase just genuinely despises anything that isn't NG2. They hate the series they hate Itagaki and they hate action games, anything that isn't NG2 itself is treated like a threat to be destroyed.
>>724763289>what that shilled youtuber electric underground guy will say about the gameI wonder which new buzzwords that all the retarded browns who populate this board will be spamming cause they are incapable of forming their own opinion or articulating their thoughts he will invent in the review.
>>724682567Because most financially successful games need to be diluted in order to appeal to the biggest possible audience, and of course then no one can relate to it.
>>724682660>only presses squareYou got filtered didn’t you
These games are tedious.
>>724700920I'm a Wii U respecter but this isn't true. Terrible performance and missing a lot of mechanical improvements that the PS3/360/Master Collection added (no I will not list them look it up). Basically the 1.00 release for 3RE. I bounced off it hard and only got into the game when I double dipped a used PS3 copy.
>>724688429>modern game tropes.Anon, it's 2025, you're an unc. The last game was over decade ago.
>>724763726that or just pander to lonely virgin faggots who've never had a girlfriend. the fact that this game sold so little while dispatch tops the charts tells you all you need to know about the state of modern games.
>>724693713>All true NG fans love NGB, NGII and NG4No, they only talk about the 360 game.
I feel like these games could benefit from a nu-doom health mechanic, where killing enemies generates health, and the more aggressively and efficiently you kill people, the more health they’ll give you. It would encourage mixing up combos. Plus I hate having to rely on an awkward inventory wheel for healing mid fight. I feel like if they added this then they couldn’t consolidate the 3 health items into one decent health pack. Then they could get rid of the item shop entirely so you can’t just stock up on health items and trivialise the game.
>>724704529Those games sell well thanks to gooners
>>724682567I'm starting to think gaming as an industry is biting off not only way more than it can chew, but way more than it should. I think that companies across the board make games with massive player counts in mind and massive sales in mind, when they should be centering the entire industry around a minority, and should stop trying to broaden and caiter exponentially. They need to real it back some. They also need to halt the industry. There are already enough games out. Maybe they should star focusing on all of the good and old games instead of making the industry simultaneously a live service and stream of scheduled releases. There are way more games being made than need to be made and too little that need to be made being made.I will (God willing) buy this game when I have the money since it's something closer to what I'd like to see.
>unskippable cutscene before the literal worst boss I have ever fucking seenItagaki was a fucking hack.
>>724764265Yeah, that was a thing. They were called blue orbs.
>>724764265The game has a system similar to the rally from Bloodborne, orbs dropped from enemies also heal you and there's a charm that gives you health on obliteration. It's pretty viable to play without items even on MN.
>>724765624I’m not really noticing the healing from the orbs. I see myself getting healed a little here and there but it’s a neglible amount and other times it’s not at all.
>>724764523Go back to NG4 zoomtard and stay NG4
No Momiji no buy.
>>724766552It's minor, but it does add up a lot over the course of an extended fight. Honestly I think a big problem is that healing items are too bloody plentiful. I'm appreciating them way more running through Master Ninja without items.
>>724763289Speak for yourself retardNg2 is one my all time favorite game and i loved ng4
>>724682567Taste is subjective
>>724700920All i have is the ps3 version. I should buy the vanilla one just to have it in the collection.
>>724715210Not hard just fucking tediou especially on master. Really annoying games. Glad they all flop.
>>724753345It really isn't that bad. This is my first NG game and I died a few times in the early missions when I had to get used to the game but after mission 6 I died like twice in the whole rest of the game. I'm doing 2nd playthrough on Master Ninja now and it's pretty rough with the enemy damage but only about as hard as Legendary on Halo or something.
>>724711118Yes and I didn't encounter any bugs in NG4 so must be a you problem
>>724682567>having fun>chapter 6 starts>abject pain>chapter 6 ends>having funwhat the fuck
>>724767839Is chapter 6 the one with where he’s breaking all the holy statues because that one made me want to kill myself too
Meh, if they killed him off in an epic battle or something you would still be complaining. If he was the main character, you would still be nitpicking. The story of NG4 fellates Ryu. A time skip means there's plenty of excuses they could set the next game anytime before this one with Ryu as mc again.
>>724768119meant for >>724733021
>>724763289I'm not exactly a hardcore NG2 fanatic (I actually like Black 2 more than OG 2 despite it not being as responsive) but Ninja Gaiden 4 is dog shit in level design. Frustrating, disgusting sloppy dog shit compared to Ninja Gaiden 2 and they missed what made the series great at their peak. They built more of a sequel to Ninja Gaiden 3 than Ninja Gaiden 2. The biggest issue I found were environments. In Ninja Gaiden 2, you had a lot of areas you could use vertical movement (running on walls) to dispatch your enemies and they didn't give you that in Ninja Gaiden 2. To make it worse, you're surrounded by bottomless pits in nearly all the stages.The other issue were the constant bottomless pits and time wasting rail sections? If you mess up a rail, you fall down, and instantly start again like it never happened breaking the flow and sense of danger.And to make a game where people are complaining the Ryu portions are better and then lock him out until end-game is fucking dumb. It's a bad game given the title of Ninja Gaiden 4. If the game was its own original series, I think it could've done better without being shackled to Ninja Gaiden's lore. Instead, they tried catching lightning in a bottle twice like with Metal Gear.
>>724768319Four has way better level design than two on average. Also I don't think I've heard anyone say the Ryu portions are better until now, they seem half baked.
>>724767806I'm a different poster form the one you were initially talking to. Forgive me, I hadn't followed the line of conversation.
>>724768030>very small arenas/walkways>many armored blocking enemies>large stretches between checkpoints>turret enemies that while visually impressive don’t have much else going on>enemy spawn locations and rates are completely fuckedChapter 6 feels like a completely different game
>>724701517Silksong wasn't hard, just learn the patterns and with persistence you'll win.
