How do you actually have fun in fighting games
Play with friends
>>724682884fun?
>>724682884By reminding myself that they are games
pick up a gameLearn one character that you take seriously, actually put effort into improving, study and lab shit and grind out matchup experience and care about your performance enough to feel frustrated when you lose to people you feel like you should be beating and disheartened when you don't feel any closer to the top players even after hundreds of hoursAnd then pick up another character that just does funny shit and you don't give a shit about. That's where the fun is.
>>724683047so if you're eating shit flavored jello but then remind yourself that it's food. Does it become a delectable treat?
The fist of the northstar arcade game is a broken mess, you could not have picked a worst example.
>>724683335I kind of respect that both the Sol and the Slayer are pretty sucky here, but yeah. It's easier to get into the genre with more newb friendly tag games and especially Fighterz, but generally it's a mixture of learning how to convert to a BnB and figuring out your character, then just 4:1 gameplay to labbing
>>724683582If you're not having fun, then you should stop playing.
>>724682884go back in time and play Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe
>>724682884by playing a fighting game you don't know how to play with other people who don't know how to playas soon as people start developing strategies and playing to win is when the fun stops
>>724682884By playing something that isn't combo shit.
>>724683621every other fighter is just this but 5% less extreme
>>724683776iirc the slayer was decent, that was like the 40th game in a row and we'd both switched characters at least twice>>724684124nah, the most fun skill level is when you're good enough to do cool dumb shit but not so good you know better
>>724682884Hokuto no Ken is peak Kusoge fun, anon. Playing these and learning these shitter tactics on the fly is max fun.
you don't2d fighters are trash
nothing is quite as toxic as fighting games, smash was pretty toxic, but I was playing company of heroes and it's toxic so I guess it depends whether you're winning or losing to be honest.
>>724682884You could try actually playing them instead of just posting ToD clips of one of the most broken kusoge ever made which you have definitely never touched for even five seconds.
>>724682884Thanks for saving my webm, cuck.
>>724684829Eh, getting checkmated that hard is pretty rare. There's the occasional same frame high-low unblockable maybe, but nothing quite on the level of what's going on in OP.
You only play them locally with your friends
>>724682884>How do you actually have fun in fighting gamesPlay with me and let me win every time :)
>>724682942How do I get those?
>>724687364By playing fighting games.
Is it just me or do most people fundamentally misunderstand the appeal of fighting games? I was playing Tekken 3 the other night and this thought occurred in the back of my head that barely anyone likes these games for the core act of, well, fighting. Am I insane? Do you know what I'm talking about?
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>>724688304I think it's probably the other way around, where they only ever care about the fighting and disregard so much else in pursuit of this unobtainable golden "best fighting game of all time". That, to me, seems the biggest disconnect between fighting games and the FGC, where it's only ever pushed as a desire to be competitive and to disregard beginners, only to ever care about pushing them to the same levels. It's arguably even worse in fighting games as a genre, because of all the legacy skill that is immediately transferable between games. If you take shmups for example, whilst legacy skill obviously exists, they are simple to pick up and have a go with. Whereas fighting games suffer from a completely foreign control scheme compared to other games as well as distinct motions that are key to even winning AND you are expected to learn basics because of training mode AND we removed alot of the ease of fun content such as single player modes in favor of promoting the Esports more.So not only are newcomers pushed into learning at a break-neck pace, but they are also conditioned to only seek fun from matches that honestly drain nowadays, not helped with the push for offense and the reduction of defense. People don't love Tekken 3 for it's gameplay, they love it for it's package and lack of teaching the game does. It's also why older games were better for bringing newcomers, because they were simpler back then, where combo potential still exists but they were naturally shorter. Nowadays, combo length is escalating and games with shorter combos are seen as too simple or underdeveloped.
>>724683621>>724686546
>>724690232I'm not familiar enough with SC, is this some guess-the-mixup situation on wakeup?
>>724685587how many times you gonna say "toxic" you feminized little dweeb?
>>724690346Yes. You can see him crouch-blocking twice and getting hit by 9K (Ivy's jumping kick) twice. Maybe he was expecting a throw, Ivy has throws that are either straight-up unbreakable or the break window is so tiny you can forget about it online.
>>724690494Fair enough. Looping oki is the more common type of checkmate, but it's still not quite as bad as the OP. It can be tough to guess the right option in the heat of the moment, but it's another thing entirely if you get put into a situation where you don't really have an escape since you lack the resources.
>>724690808>>724690232These kind of combos are absolute shite. soulcalibur after 4 is trash
>>724683842>I love eating shit! if you don't like it then don't eat it!
>>724691660nobody mentioned eating shit, you were told not to play videogames you dont like. Why are you obsessed with talking about poo? do you think youre owning anyone by being a retard?
>>724682884The fun is in this webm already
>>724683582>shit analogy and food analogy in onePeak /v/ post right here.
>>724686546totsugeki
just stop getting mad at your opponentits pretty easy
What are some games like +R I can play on Linux?
>>724690232ivy is too fucking hot bros i wish to learn how to play her
>>724682884It helps to know the fundamentals of a fighting game.
>>724691724>>724691780Here ill come out with a better analogy for you cry baby fagsIf you're getting you cock sucked by an ugly women that's constantly biting your dick but if you remind yourself that you're getting your cock sucked does it mean you're getting insanely good head now?
>>724682884Jagi should've been the fist of the north star successor.
>>724692004+r works great on protonxrd toopresumably bbcf as well but I haven't tried itFightcade has an official linux version
>>724692202Yeah I play +R on Proton but it is the only fighting game I have ever actually played beyond just mashing with my brother or whatever. I was wondering if there was anything good similar to +R. The newer Guilty Gear games do not look interesting to me. I wanted to try that Darkstalkers game but it seems old in annoying way. I know +R is old but the client feels very modern.
>>724685807see >>724684829
>>724690232>Falls for the same setup twice>Fucking diesI don't see anything wrong with this
>How do you actually have fun in fighting games
>>724692416i can find higher quality overwatch porn on rule 34 for free
>>724692474I can bang your mom for free
>>724692261Xrd is a lot like +r but more modern, if that's what you're looking for. Really it's based on #Reload which was the version japan liked more but the fundamental shit is still similar, they put a ton of effort into making things like inputs and hitstop and movement feel extremely similar, just modernized with input buffers and less broken moves and shit. There's some contentious mechanics like YRC but despite what you read on /v/ from people that don't play either most people that really like one will also like the other at least a bit. If you've never tried it it's the obvious first choice. CF is more character-gimmicky and has fewer screen freezes as long as you aren't fighting a character that uses supers a lot, and is sprite based so it might be more what you're looking for if that matters a lot to you.Third Strike is probably also worth trying, it's still older feeling than +r but not as much as VSav.Maybe also the 2D KoF games but I've never tried them. I know a few +r/Xrd players that also play KoF though.
>>724692512the 1 cm stub you call your cock couldn't even rape the lice that lives in your hair
>>724692673I assume a lot of this would be played on Fightcade. I'll have to give it an honest shot later tonight but from what I have been told, +R has some sort of leniency with the inputs on keyboard that Fightcade opts out of having. It seems like an annoying thing to try and learn when I'm mostly interested in adding 1 or 2 extra games to play at most. I've been wanting to try Third Strike for a while so I will give that a go at the minimum. I know its a popular control scheme regardless so I imagine I just have to adapt.
>>724682884I got lucky and happened to have a friend at roughly the same skill level as me who was just as interested in the genre as I was. So for four years we just played each other and went through every fighting game we could get our hands on. That's a good way to do it.
>>724692370That's a serial EVO champion falling for it. If he mashed the same thing would have happened. If he blocked high Ivy could have thrown him for the same amount of damage and knockdown, but he wouldn't be at the wall anymore. This game is full of situations like these at high level. It's all guesses. People play dumb when they expect others to think they'll play smart because it works a lot of the time. And that's also why people still lose to mashing, because they expect others to go for moves that are optimal in certain situations instead of random shit. That's why they lose to the same move being spammed over and over again, they think they wouldn't go for it again. This is one big game of "I know that he knows that I know that he knows that I know...," but people call that "reading the opponent" and act like it's some great serious thing. It's fucking insane.
>>724692779really sounds like you just want to play Xrd to meit's enough different from +r that it feels like adding a new game rather than a new version but enough carries over you can pick up the basic shit fast, it has modern input leniency, if you already have people you play +r with half of them probably also play Xrd on the side already
>>724692261-Blazblue is essentially a Guilty Gear in everything but name-Darkstalkers games are pretty fast paced and each character is really unique like GG, but the combos are really short (which is good or bad depending on your preference), it's old-school annoying in that there's no official training mode or rematch button and poor Quality of Life but the game is still really fun.-Melty Blood Actress Again focuses a bit more on air combat and the combos are a bit more freeform since you can gatling from any normal into any other normal.-Arcana Hearts and Million Arthur are a bit slower but they have this cool system where you can freely choose your special moves and all the moves are available to all characters so you can mix and match your preferred characters with your preferred playstyles.-Purse Owner 4 Arena is like if every character was Zato (which is somehow fun for some people)-You can try playing Mahvel Babyyy or Skullgirls and see if you like that tag battle sort of stuff, but I personally don't like tag battlers. Skullgirls would be way better if it was only 1 character and maybe if the minimum tech-out time was shorter to prevent every combo from being 45 seconds long and requiring an infinite prevention system just to deal with it
>>724692512holy based
You start playing 30 years ago
>>724693298In 30 years you'll be telling yourself you should have started today
>>724693378except that there's a hard age gap so it's already too late to play them
>>724693451good thing everyone on /v/ is underage
>>724693480zoomers were born in 1997 that's already almost 30 years ago
>>7246935211997 was barely a decade ago, don't try to fool me
>>724693568I almost forgot it was 2011+14
>>724685226It's fun when you're the one who found it for the first time and that's about it.
>>724693231>>724693083I'm trying out Darkstalkers 3 on Fightcade, its pretty cool.
>>724682884I've tried many times but I just can't.>need to learn how to use a character and memorize everything they can do>then also have a basic idea of what everyone else can do>then lab up combos and remember all of them for whenever you need them>all while being capable of reacting to every hit confirm>and then finally put all of this in practice against a real human, by reacting to everything they doMaybe my autistic brain is just overcomplicating everything but it's like I'm just incompatible with fightans. Last time I tried to play them regularly I had a less than 10% win rate too. It just won't work.
>>724694124also keep in mind even if you try and get better most experienced fighting fags will flame or mock you for trying
>>724694124>by reacting to everything they doTry not to do this. If they know you're reacting, they can trick you and exploit the opening. I know it's hard. These games aren't easy, and they're kinda autistic. Just work on what you can one piece at a time and it will come. It's not something you get good at overnight or even in a week.
>>724691820Please take me back to 2020 with you, time traveler, 2025 is SOMEHOW even fucking worse.
>>724694124Fighting games have tiny player bases compared to virtually any other game genre. Some people just have talent, get good and act like everyone else can and should too. It's the equivalent of rich people saying that being poor is a choice.
>>724692943That is how all strategy is, midwit.
>>724692943that's a whole lotta words to say "he fell for the same oki twice in a row".
>>724682884you get good
>>724683335Based advice and exactly how I have unwittingly played fighting games for years
>>724683842i almost get carpal tunnel spamming kyo red kicki mean there is some roadblock in my brain with doing reverse dplike I can do regular dp from 2P side just fine
>>724694405that's just a self cucking mindset. but since you have it, you'll just handwave everything I would have to say as lies or ignorance anyway, so you can stay in your comfy self infantilising delusion and never have to actually put effort into anything but still feel right.
>>724694681>>724694719You don't see a top-level chess player losing in two moves or a top-level tennis player losing after two balls. These games have always been filled with stupid bullshit. Treating them as a serious competitive activity is extremely dumb. Someone can spend hours learning every dumb setup in the game only to get fucked after guessing wrong once or twice. People don't play these games, not because they're harder than other competitive genres but because they're dumb. If someone looks at top-level competitive gameplay and past all of VFX vomit on the screen, it's actually not very interesting what's going on in there. There's actually FEWER interactions between players than in mid-level gameplay because everyone knows combos for a half of a quarter of the health bar.
>>724695292How many tournaments have you won?
>>724695346check and mate are two moves
>>724695346imagine having a Burst and a DP in chess
>>724695414...that are preceded by dozens of other moves unless the other player really doesn't know what they're doing and they lose to Fool's Mate.
>>724695527whats your rating?
>>724695527>mashes at round start
>>724695407a few locally, but that's probably not what you were asking about.what does that have to do with anything? if you're trying to imply it's not "worth" to try at anything unless you can reach some arrogant standart you just made up to further live in your shitty self fulfilling prophecy, then why not just stop trying at anything and just die?no use doing anything unless you can reach an arbitrary top 0.01 percentile skill wise right?what a joke
>>724692416Censored garbage
>>724695346true, i recently learned how to kill in 2.5 touches in what is generally considered a 4-touch game.
>>724694168simply don't interact with mongoloids and ignore them. Playing and learning fighting games should just be you and the other player. The community shouldn't have any say on that.
>>724683335>>724683776>lab99% of "labbing" is just repeating combos forever until they become muscle memory. That's it. That's what fighting games have devolved to. You spend 100 hours practicing your best combos and their iterations based on where you or your opponent are positioned. Everything else is just a flowchart you have to memorize based on character matchups.That's the entry level investment you need to stand a chance against anybody who isn't a casual tourist and you better do it within the first few weeks of a game releasing otherwise 90% of the casual audience you can actually practice with will be gone unless the game is named Street Fighter.
>>724682884You get to touch your opponent's nose if you win.
>>724697328Fuck off.
>angry at the truth>can't even attempt to refute the point because it's factConcession accepted.
>>724697476The only facts here are that you are a passive aggressive little bitch who can't even quote the person you are talking to, and also that you don't know shit about fighting games.Please spare us your retarded opinions about them next time.
>still can't refute anything>is only capable of impotent whiningConcession remains accepted. Far too easy.
>>724697629Fine you stupid fucking faggot, I'll bite.Not for you, I know you will just reply with more idiotic takes, but for other people reading your drivel.Unless you are LITERALLY retarded, missing 6 fingers or both, there is NOTHING in fighting games that requires labbing for 100 hours. Certainly not in any game released this decade.Fighting games are also a genre in which you need to get a feel for what your opponent is doing, how they think and how they might react to things. You can't flowchart this, flowcharts will get you nowhere.Plenty of non-Street Fighter games have an active enough player base to always find beginners too; I know for a fact that Strive and Tekken 8 do, Granblue most likely does as well. The only games in which I don't imagine this is the case are SNK games.
smash bros is the only good fighting game
>retard shitting himself in anger so hard that his reading comprehension fails and he vomits fallacies in an attempt at respondingYet another concession. This is just boring now.
>>724692416I hate that they had to use her shitty Street Fighter 6 version, but at least she looks slightly better than in that piece of shit.
>>724697015>should just be you and the other player>The community shouldn't have any say on that."The community" is also the other player. You think good players don't act like assholes or don't get angry even when they win?
>>724698595I've been around FG events, I've never really had that experience where the other opponent told me that my character was bullshit or tried to downplay my achievements. At most, they will get mad and say GGs, like a reasonable person would do, and then maybe whine on twitter later on, but I don't go on twitter.Personally I don't care what they think, if I win, then cool.
I really took for granted how much I learned about +R by having an autistic friend explain it in detail to me over the course of a month while we practiced. Learning a fighting game really is quite hard. At least in this Darkstalkers game you don't have long combos to remember.
How do I learn to be strongmind?, I've choked so many times even easy games
>>724700040find inner peace
>>724700180How
>>724683335this is literally exactly, but I had fun the entire time, not just when I switched toons
>>724682884you don't that's the big terrible secretfighting games are an even more insidious maze than bobby kotick's and the few rats who are still stuck there are so conditioned that they will tell you with a straight face that whichever dogshit title they're playing is the best thing ever
>>724692089That's an even more retarded and shit analogy.He's literally saying if you don't like the game, don't play it. Holy fuck you need to end your bloodline
>>724700306get yo dick sucked
>>724682884>How do you actually have fun in fighting games
>>724689593Back then it was allowed to suck at fighting games, and games in general. Nowadays unless you are a high rank at a game you might as well kill yourself because it's mandatory to be good at it. The entire FGC is this way. I've heard faggots everywhere say shit like "people are salty because they are irrelevant" and this other faggot robtv say "if you aren't top 8 at evo after 5 years, you should retire" - you will never enjoy something if your ultimate goal is to be successful at it. I don't know if people realize that this works completely in the opposite way - you enjoy something so much that you dedicate an abnormally long amount of time to just play it and you get better at it, and then you become good and compete at events.
>>724682884
>>724682884you don't
>>724692089Holy ESL Batman!
>>724699706Playing fightans is an infinitely more fun experience the less you interact with the FGC. Arcades are dead, you have no obligation to talk to the other person - you play the game and then leave.
>>724700306understand that this is the way the game is meant to be playedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geQR8UagOQg
>>724701175I think the FGC can be cool, it's just that the most vocal obnoxious dumbasses that probably take up like 10% of the FGC are active in most online spaces like discord, here, and twitter. The dudes who are chill are fun to play with, and you don't really hear about them because they're busy playing the game.
>>724682884by being me in highschool and early college.Ive never liked a single fighting game since.
>>724701275Lel
>>724682884You get into it at the same time as your friends, then you compete and grow together
>>724692943yea ok but i think that was delay based netcode
>>724700472Exactly the kind of rhetoric I expect from a Jamnigger.
>>724702823They use Parcec, the problem is that the servers and most players are in California while he's on the East Coast. But it just shows how latency-sensitive those games are if 1-2 frames can make a difference.
>>724682884You play against friends and people at your locals. Grinding online will only lead to you hating the average fighting game.
>>724697328this is literally just how chess works btw
>>724705085Which is why competitive chess is extremely stale and boring, too.
>>724682884That Toki should've SAID HIS NAME.
We need a fighting game with short combos that do high damage like Super Turbo and Kof98 with the loading screen time of Ausf. Asche so scrubs(like me) can immediately rematch the opponent after getting absolutely destroyed in under 20 seconds, I hate how most of the time spent in modern fighting games is with combos, cutscenes and loading times instead of actually playing the damn game.
>>724682884Be the guy on the right in that webm.
>>724705238cutscene supers are biggest piece of shit waste of time game design ever invented. Having to wait an actual fucking 15 seconds for a single move to finish is the most retarded decision ever made.
>>724705163So what games do you play? Power fantasy slop where you beat up on helpless computers?
>>724705445Nah, I play dress up games, like Princess Maker and Koikatsu. Great games for expressing your creativity
>>724700040>>724700306
>>724683335Do people still play Xrd? I've got an urge to revisit it recently.
>>724705238>short combos that do high damagebelieve it or not, that's actually Strive
>>724682884Play the gamesIt doesn't matter which one, they're all different enough to find something you will like
Do you prefer long combo games or short ones?
>>724682942I don't enjoy playing against my friends. Why would I wanna beat them up
>>724709079you only know who are your real friends on games that you can beat them up.
>>724700687/thread
>>724706925People never did
>>724708857Short ones. Long combos are cool but they should be kept in CMV compilations done in the lab and single-player action games like Devil may Cry.
>>724700898Holy EFL Batman!
>>724708857Short, low to medium damage combos so you spend most of your time interacting. Save long combos for full resource dumps at the end of a match or niche situations.
>>724708857short but with cinematic supers in the end
>>724712009>>724712774>>724712860I meant fighting games with long or short combos.
QRD on Samurai Shodown 2 vs 5? I have heard the series described before as not being very combo heavy and all the moves doing a lot of damage with very fast rounds. That sounds interesting to me.
>>724692089why do you hate fighting games so much esl-kun?
>>724684829Oh no, that particular game is special, every single character has a touch of death combo, it takes practice but once you master it every single match is just who gets touched first, once that happens just drop your controller.I don't even know what the fuck happened in OP's clip, Jagi is one of the worst characters in the game, whereas as Toki is omega SSSS tier. Even if you knnow little about the game, Toki can carry you far.Its an utterly ridiculous game, no other game exists like it in regards to how busted and broken the fist of the northstar arcade game is.
For me its the Nu-ripoffsExcepting the one in melty, who was so blatant it was like "why dont I just play nu"
>>724713413I can't really go too much into depth other than 5 has a dedicated tumble/dodge button that I always found awkward and made me prefer 2. >a lot of damageDepends on what you're hitting them with. Haohmaru's meme slash from games like CvS2 are based on the game's universal heavy system where you perform a stronger slash from the macro of both the other slashes, but it's a high-risk, high-reward move.
SF5:Fun during the brief period between them actually putting in effort and them releasing Luke intentionally overpowered to kill the game.Really fun, actually. The last fighting game to have actual neutral, not full screen dash parry sloppa.SF4: Great game, but in this case, they released Elena to kill it intentionallySF6 bag of dicks: Ass-trash. No, I don't care about the coomer slop mods. Copied anime game design for some reason, despite anime games NEVER competing with SF at all, so everyone is some flavor of Rushdown+X, ala KoF. Every single character can splatoon 2 lets play at any time and every single character can effortleslly parry projectiles if you bother to try them instead of simply splatooning all over them. Death of the series, in spirit. Does not play like SFUni: French Bread game; Almost every single character is rushdown or rushdown with projectiles. Literally 1 exception. Uses their pattented "who cares lol" combo system where you can press any button in any order with any timing and still get a combo. As such, combos are like 15 seconds long. Boring. melty: See above but the balance is so abysmal trey had to nationally ban the top tiers so people would play the game at allBlazblue: The only good anime fighting series ever made, dead thoughGuilty Gayer nu-version: Party game where everyone does like 70%-100% hp in one touch roundstart, for casuls onlyGuilty Gear old version: I lied, this was also good. Dead thoughKof: I want to play man claw fire funny hair. Not man claw fire funny hair and his two gay lesbian buisness women. Party system ruins it.Sam Sho: Dead on arrival, didn't buyedVanguard: Worst combo system I've ever seenedSkillgrills: DLC is so broken with one exception and so actively unfun to fight it pretty much ruined and killed the game. No one plays this shit. It is funny all the males are top tier in this anime waifu fighter, though. DnF Fighter: Full screen normals.Es Laf: Who subscribes to a fighter
>>724714302there's a Nu in melty?
>>724714815and the fgc pretends that fighting games are le bigger than ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>724714815this poster is over 40 years old
>>724714815EFZ: Actually really fun if you ban the top two characters (who are so broken they pretty much can't be beaten if played well), dead thoughJackie Chan: Meme gameSouru Caribur: Really fun when 4 was active, 5 killed it sadly. 6 adding anime style meters and giving damn near everyone weird gimmicks like "molest 5 roses to make your attack actually good" in a game where you do incredibly high damage universally was stupid, double killing itFantasy Stike: Look up Geiger, question how thye haven't been sued yetAll touhou fighters: Play like shit or play like shit with way too much ability bloatNu melty: I ain't buying french bread shit lol, I made that mistake beforeV Sav: Only hyped by people who never played it and never thought le magic unblockable bubble of "you blocked now I'm going to loop you to death lol"Wonderful world: Meter gain too slow, the difference in sprite quality on newer chars vs old is actually jarringFighting Climax: Fun meme game, dead thoughPower rangers: Ass balanceMvC2: Was never good. Shit awful balancing, uglyMvC3: See above but it looks good. "but le doom combeoaus", stfu nerdMvCI: Bad, rather than goodDBZF: Pay2win Goku simulator with an absurdly homogenized cast and combo routesMK: Last good game was X, fact. Wish X was still active.Chaos Code: Dead meme game with terrible balancingBlack Heart: Bad, but cool characters, dead multiBattlefantasia: pathetic tiny roster with clonesArcana Fart: Steam version doesn't have the cool overlay at the side, very poorly explained mechanics, actually fun to play though. Shame its so dead they had to crowd fund DLC (then made that character so hard to use she killed the last of the players)Idol Showdown: You're grappler is bad, I'm not playing you're gameInjustice: Ass balance, how the fuck is Water spear man a thing?Koihime: Ugly, slow, boringKi: I just don't like how it playsNitroplus: fun, dead>>724714964Meant uni
>>724687364by joining my discord
>>724682884Sometimes, I was having a good time playing last week for the first time in a decade but when you find a really good player it feels like you are worthless.
>>724714815>melty: See above but the balance is so abysmal trey had to nationally ban the top tiers so people would play the game at allwhen did they ever do that?
>>724716256Like 3 years ago in japan
Why can't I bind the numpad on fightcade this shit is gay and retarded
The worst part of fighting games is not losing 20 times in a row to the same opponent but losing like a bitch all those times knowing you could do better.
>>724716732Nah I'm literally retarded and suck cocks. I had mouse emulation on.
>>724691256could not agree more. 4 is the last pure one.
>>724682884for me the peak of fun in fighting games is above the lower ranks but below the higher ranks, right in the middle where people have actually started labbing and exploring combos and mix-ups and having funwhen you get to the higher levels it's very rigid and rote, the true kino is the middle to higher middle levels
>>724685587There's nothing toxic about fighting games at all. literally, at all. Smash isn't a fighting game BTW.
>>724682884Is this the fist of the north star fighting game?
>>724705951How the fuck is can cope with "i dont even play this game" when having 500+ hours and being ass
>>724717865By claiming 500 hours are baby numbers and that a real good player has at least 1000+.
/v/ fightan thread with that mothafucking 100 GIFTEDS THOUGH??
I'm married to Lilith now.
>>724682884Just play to have fun and not to win.
Anyone up for blazblue or melty
>>724719805I'll play some CF.
>>724714815>everything is dead or shitcould've just said that from the start. We know.
>>724682884all you faggots are just complaining because you can't even imagine the fun the guy doing the combos is having, styling on a guy for 20 seconds and he can't do shit about it
>>724719974steam://joinlobby/586140/109775244807373441/76561198067440725
>>724682884By doing gay erp on this place ;3
>Tfw bad at 2D fighters, specifically, for years>Like actual decades>Play GG, couldn't get it>Played SF4, couldn't get it>Played Blazblue, only 1 other guy in my country played it even on discord and I just lost to him over and over again>Played Streets Fighter 5, an actually ACTIVE game where I didn't have to beg on discord for a game v people with 1500 hours, improved more in a few months than actual decades without looking up any guides, simply played it and "felt it out" like I did with 3D games (which I am universally good at).>They add Luke>Game dies overnightShame. "Just play" is legit the best way to learn, but "Just play" what when you're a third worlder with no scene for anything except SF, Kekken and MK? SF is ass now, MK is ass now, I don't consider 3D fighters the same thing>>724719187Fun grappler, shame her game is ass and dead and bought by scammers
>>724720926I'll never understand the horrible connotations you guys surround around asking for someone to play with on Discord. Add the people you enjoy and you'll just have lobbies with friends. They will message you when new games come out or they try some new kusoge and want to learn it with you. Did everyone complain when it was steam groups? What about IRC? Its all the same crap.
>>724721116What part of "third world country with no scene" did you not get?There was 1 (one) other guy playing blazblueLiterally 1
>>724721195Add people and make friends with them in other games and see if they will play CF with you instead of treating every opponent like a permanent stranger. This is the beauty of 1on1 games.
>>724720926SEA?
>>724721329Way too high class brud >>724721304Ah yes, add people in... even more dead gamesThere is NO ONE in my country who plays fighting games
Fuck I could've astraled that burst if I was more ready.
>>724705951You don't understand how dedicated I am to hating myself, I just question my lack of commitment to anything and get depressed instead.
>>724705951>>724717865I have 9.5 hours in Blazblue, I think I've won 9 timese out of like 100 gamesI'm ass lolThe only time I won was when I just hit a tager super grab and deleted the other guy in like 2 wins of RPS or when I fougth the one guy who was as new as me and we actually had fun even matches (instead of being a glorified combo dummy for a guy who exclusively played a noob stomp character, who made the other guy RQ I think)What's funny is the guy who was stomping us was himself consistently stomped by a guy who actually DID play low tiers to go easy on him
>>724682884For me it's the learning process. I don't care about winning or losing, just getting better.
First you have to get extremely comfortable with how the game plays, your character, and have a general idea of what your opponent's character does. The fun comes in the form of trying to get in each other's heads and anticipate each other. There are a lot of very bad fighting games you simply shouldn't be playing.
Has there ever been a modern 2d game that contains as much info in-game for its own characters and system mechanics compared to the wiki? I mean it is kind of ridiculous I have to check dustloop or mizumi to even try and learn these games. You could load them as HTML in-game and it would be an improvement.
>>724682884You have to find a character you like the look of, with moves or a fighting style you like and they can't have terrible matchups against the most popular characters in the current patch. Good luck.
>>724722195Nope. For some reason its pretty standard for 3D fighters to have literally every single move in move list with the ability to watch the AI do it and all of tis its traits (ie high, low, parry, whatever)But for 2D fighters they either don't bother or DO and then die anyways because they're not SFSF in particular you'd load in, pick a character and v gimmick, use it and... they'd strike a pose. And the menu would just tell you the name of the skill. What does the pose actually do? Alt tab out and google it. Some of them will do the weird thing where they list special moves and COMMAND normals and tell you about them (I think the vtuber fighter does this), but not the basic normals, ie, most of your movesetThe closest 2D fighters gets to this is MK, probably, but even then, its not o nthe level of tekken or SCIn fact, the most popular series have historically had the worst info in and out of game (the super combo for SFIV and 5 are both ass, the dustloop for any given BB is fully complete) and they still just keep winning anyways
>>724682884You call summoning exploding barrels a martial art?
>>724683842washed
>>724689593I don't think that picking up a shmup is a fair comparison as most people playing shmups will just feed quarters to clear the game. The grind to 1CC can be just as challenging as learning fundamentals of fighting games.The only difference is competing for score vs competing against a human opponent.
>>724722914I was more just comparing the access between both genres, probably not the clearest comparison. Mainly I was thinking that shmups are easily intuitive compared to fighters due to simpler controls and functions, whereas figthers are still unapproachable to newcomers unless you are willing to learn.
>>724692261>the client feels very modern.The reason why you probably think that is because a Western dev team went to work on completely rebuilding the online infrastructure of the game giving it new netcode, lobbies among many other quality of life updates.
>>724723105Oh yeah, I get all that. The game itself is like 20 years old or whatever, but even the base version of +R is like a new "remaster" of sorts because people just wouldn't stop playing XX. Then they kept doing random post launch support, even adding the rollback netcode super late into the game's lifecycle, long after other GG games came out. It is pretty cool and makes playing such an old title very bearable.
>>724682884Be black or asian.
>>724723040Nah, you can mash just fine in them against CPU and with other friends that are playing just to mash (it's how I enjoyed the genre for decades until finally learning how they actually play). There's no inherent difficulty and you can even teach an animal how to throw a hadouken. What is actually difficult is learning not to spam them or learning how to not keep trying to jump in or hold up-back, learning to take throws instead of eating massive damage from punish when getting baited for a missed tech, etc.
>>724694168>most experienced fighting fags will flame or mock you for tryingI don't understand how this is a real issue in a 1v1 genre
>>724683842>1 mistake, 1 shmixxwe had it so good
>>724723282Yeah them and the wizards from Code Mystics doing all the old SNK games are great. It's a shame that fightcade existing ruins all of the re-releases because most of the fightcade audience don't want to try them since they're comfortable in their centralized experience.
>>724690232>was gonna be this for like 6 bucks last night, Lizardman isn't on the fucking rosterNever playing this shit game.
>>724723337I always found the hardest part is to truly memorize all your moves. Like not just knowing your characters few specials, but knowing what each normal does. And some games make it more complicated by giving you "extra" normals where something like 6P is differrent than P. Once you truly have memorized what each button does I think you get a pretty intuitive understanding of what to press and when, even when you don't know the specific nitty gritty about the frame data or whatever.>>724723519I was kinda hoping I could play the Samsho V steam version but it seems like it suffers the same problem you're mentioning now. I checked playercount at a weird hour so maybe its better later in the day. Fightcade I feel like has an inflated player count because lots of people are idling in the chat vs the unlikelihood of someone randomly idling a game on steam.
>>724682884Being good I suppose.If you dont have good reflexes or play like if you dont have enough fingers your ass will be blasted, every single time.
What fighting game has the most extra resources? Like most games you have a meter bar. In GG you additionally have the burst, and you can even play a character like Johnny who gets an additional resource in the coins. Is there any cool kusoge that just has too many bars and meters?
>>724723337That's fair. I'd assume more that it's just how the communities approach newcomers. "Get a BnB", "learn your midscreen", etc. but maybe it should be more on the newcomers themselves rather than the scene to get them into it, at whatever level.
>>724692416That model is more ass than woman!
>>724695346It's more an issue of games only being FT2 (and maybe FT3 in top 8 of a tournament). Like you can die in an instant in CS but you also get 13 rounds, minimum, to prove yourself. A tournament match also generally has multiple maps played so it's more like 26. Someone can get eliminated entirely from Evo in very close sets before a single complete stomp in CS is over. It's bizarre how mainstream, successful esports games can go on for so long yet FG devs think the secret is making matches shorter and more explosive.
>>724723898I'd assume it's the easiest guesses like Under Night, but that usually ties into multiple mechanics, such as grid being able to go into meter, bursts using meter, etc.BBCF has meter, barrier, burst all seperated, not to mention each characters individual resources so probably that. There's not many games that have alot of resources, other than character uniques as they tend to tie multiple mechanics to the same resources.
>>724723898BBCF is probably one of the games with the most character-specific extra mechanics in a fighter.
>>724723898>Burst>Tension>Mana>Card Deck>>724724435I think Uni's only separate meter is Chaos's dog? So just 3 with GRD + Meter
>>724722716I regret to inform you that you are retarded.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMIxiJ5-HoI
>>724723898Probably something like specifically X2 version of my wife A.B.A All standard resources, 3 limited per round blood bags, hp drain effectively an extra resource, time limit on her two seperate super modesSpeaking of, weirdest or worst designed fighting game chars? Aba is obviously up there, as is the KI vampire who was clearly inspired by her (having the same game of using her own hp when attacking to do... 5% better damage than people not doing that, then losing that damage advantage because she has to hit a low damage grab to get her health back)Magenda in WW (a visual aba cloone) comes to mind>Uses a completely different combo structure to every single other character in the game for... no apparent reason>Has about 2-3 times the moveset variety as everyone else for... no apparent reason>Poisons on hit, but the poison does pathetically low damage unless she levels it up enough, but by the time you do that, the enemy is dead already>Worst dash in the game (think Bullet in BB but worse, and Bullet's dash being bad was one of the main reasons she's bottom tier)So much effort put into a terrible character that works harder than everyone else to do less damage and you have to relearn the game to play
>>724724737YOu are, yesWhat's faster? Alt tabbing out and googling that?Or exiting, going through 3 menus, then 2 more, then picking him, then loading in, then finding the explanation you want?
>>724682884Make the other player as miserable as possible.
what amazes me is how bad devs are at desinging balanced characters despite the genre being around for so longieaquamanevery button is safeat every range he's top tierbest special in the game, so much so tournaments devolved into aquaman v aquaman spamming one movehis special power is "i just exit hitstun when i want"how is that a thing that was made ina modern fighter
>>724724314Fighting games have enough quitters with FT2 already online, and open tournaments can't be two weeks long. Shit like SFL already has some boring gay retard format that goes on forever.>>724724885Kill yourself.
>>724722783Yes? It's the answer to Jiu-Jitsu.
>>724725146What amazes me is you can't find the full stop instead of the line break key you stupid worthless mongoloid.
>>724725146Rather have broken shit than a megalomaniacal attempt at balancing everything only to fail in the end.NRS is shit, though.
>>724682884If you're playing a fighting game and the combos can go for longer than 15 seconds where you can't do anything, the game can go fuck itself
>>724725217wow calm down wowwow
>>724725268Why are you getting hit?
ive been playing this character for 5000 games and my enjoyment out of 10 is 0i wish i was joking dont play tekken 8 it sucks
>>724697328nah, once you've over the initial learning curve the lab is for solving problems and understanding interactionsgrinding combos is a pretty small part of practicing unless you're very new and still struggling to string a bnb together reliably, it's much more useful to spend your time playing real matches and then going to training mode after you realize there's a problem you can actually solve with a bit or knowledge or practice.
>>724725793Labbing counterplay is gay shit. If I can't figure it out during a match or from watching others play I'd rather stay a scrub forever.
>>724715320>>724714815Keep going Mr Autismo. I hope those aren't the only fighting games you're familiar with.>>724714302Wonderful World is so much fun. It's like Guilty Gear but not garbage like Guilty Gear.
>fighting games threadFEXL dropped the price down to one dollar:https://store.steampowered.com/app/871200/FIGHTING_EX_LAYER/The new Virtua Fighter update came out a few days ago. I think they added a new ant-cheat that is causes issue for some people. Haven't play it myself:https://store.steampowered.com/app/3112260/_Virtua_Fighter_5_REVO_World_Stage/
>>724706925yeah it's still easy to find games. No one uses ranked or world lobbies but there's almost always a few player lobbies up and the netcode is good enough now that it has rollback that as long as you're not in the middle east or australia you can probably get good matches. What region is most active depends on the time of day.It does do a retarded thing where it hides full lobbies so sometimes if it looks like no one is on there's just a full lobby the game isn't showing you, if you refresh a few times it might show up if someone leaves or you can just make your own and people usually join pretty fast because everyone else is sitting and refreshing the list too.Skill levels vary massively, there's no matchmaking in lobbies but you can use the colored square next to their name as a decent skill indicator, blue>green>orange>pink from worst to best. Sometimes you'll find a room with a bunch of new/bad blue squares mashing against each other and sometimes the only guy looking for matches won the last Frosty Faustings, you have to be up for both experiences.
>>724714815>>724715320Bro...you forgot 2XKO...
>>724726008Only ones I can think of I missed are Merfight (dead on arrival) and kyanta (meme game)I guess there are the earlier sf's but I only played those singleplayer
>>724726135no one actually cheats in fighting games right? Is it a real problem in the more popular games? I don't think I have literally ever seen a cheater in one of the games I play.
>>724694124>need to learn how to use a character and memorize everything they can doNot all at once.>then also have a basic idea of what everyone else can doAgain, not all at once.>then lab up combos and remember all of them for whenever you need themSee above.>all while being capable of reacting to every hit confirmYou know what I'm about to say, right?>and then finally put all of this in practice against a real human, by reacting to everything they doSee the pattern yet?Listen to yourself. It's the equivalent of asking a 3 year old what to solve a high school algebra question. Nobody's expecting you to learn everything right out the gate, let alone know what the fuck all is going on; and sincerely believing you need to is what leads to that defeatist attitude in the first place. When you're starting fighting games the only thing that matters is if you enjoy the character you're using. That's it. Doesn't matter if you can't do all their moves, that's not what's important in the beginning. Neither are who your opponent's are playing, how much 'labbing' you insist on doing, and knowing how to capitalize and when.Like anything in life, there's steps taken to improving at fighting games and some people get to those higher steps faster than others. That's fine and should be the last thing you care about. Learn at your own pace, look up videos if you need help, and ask goddamn questions. Not everyone online, yes even here, is an entitled shit head looking to ruin other people's fun and enjoyment.
for me its>just go in training mode, record what they did they try to see how to get outbrb developing the ability to do the 15 hit combo they did on the character i dont fucking play when i cant even do that shit on my own main
>>724682884social lobbies with friends can be fun, but it only takes 2 people to have an enjoyable time with a fighting game :)
>>724727258>15 hit comboyou just need to remember the ender to look at the oki
>>724723652>I always found the hardest part is to truly memorize all your movesbad approach to fighting games, you only need to beat the opponent, you dont need to need to know everythingif you want to compete at a high level sure you need to be aware of things but generally if you know how to play fighting games, you dont need to use an entire characters arsenal or even be aware of what the opponents character can do, only what they do with it as a match plays out
>>724727460No, because the ender itself can leave you with less stun frames during oki than full combo. Stun extensions work such that additional stun frames are added on top of the current stun.
>>724727728nigger you're stunned, tf are you gonna dolook at the stun combo ender and lab that
>>724727791Stun expires after the combo ends, but whatever's left over is going to slow down your response, obviously.
>>724726974It's rare in my experience. The worst I've seen is people using bots to grind currency in Street Fighter.
>>724682884Play one you really like. Don’t care about losses. Practice and put thought into your actions so you feel good about wins.
>>724726974You could create one button supers in any game using simple macro software. Further than that, you could script difficult tech like Faust's FDC j.K in +R.
>>724728893FDC jK isn’t really hard to do. I think you’d take more time and effort scripting it than learning it.
>>724728893Yeah it's called modern controls.
>>724705085eat shit bitchfighting games are just glorified guessing gameschess is a complete information gameyou are a dumbass
>>724729417You have been detected as The Raped
>>724729482shut up morongo and play with your mixups dumbass
>>724729609You have severe anal bleeding from a left right mixup
>>724729263Modern Controls and macros really aren't the same thing. Macros still have to go through the motions. Modern overrides input motion. At worst it might require you to hold a direction for moves that would otherwise require charging inputs.
>>724682884...you play them?What an odd question.
>>724730076You're right. Modernfags cheat more than macrofags because at least macrofags have to put each direction in a motion input on a separate frame.
>>724729025I've never seen anyone seriously use these, especially when a really low level anti-cheat could easily flag you just fooling around with AHK. But as for effort, there is none, ChatGPT can script this shit for you in 2 prompts max.>>724729263While this obviously didn't affect any decisions or anything, but I think people who have fooled around with these scripts knew ahead of time that even if you give a player "perfect execution" it won't stop them being ass.
>>724726759If Merfight is what I think it is then they played that at Magfest.
>>724726135>FEXL dropped to $1fuck it I'll get it. Even if it's dead I like mashing in training
>>724726135>>724731550Does FEXL work on Linux? I see it’s not steam deck compatible.
>>724731971https://www.protondb.com/app/871200Seems good.
>>724730370it would be easy to make a completely undetectable macro, most controllers are built around microcontrollers like an arduino or stm32 already, just add a button that plays back a series of inputs instead of sending just one.but yeah I don't think anyone really bothers, the crossover in the venn diagram between people willing to put in the grind to learn all the other shit that is important to playing a fighting game, especially an old one like +r where shit like input macros can actually be a real advantage, and people who want to cheat, is basically zero. A bad player who tries cheating will get filtered and quit anyway.>>724730370SF6 modern controls actually kinda do, you still need to learn to play a bit, it's not like an fps an aimbot just instantly makes you one of the best in the world, but the way they implemented autocombos and how streamlined SF6 is at a base level really changes the game massively. No one is getting carried to tournament top8s obviously but it massively shortcuts a huge part of the learning curve and a lot of people are in Master(much less impressive than in previous games but still significant) that have zero business being above metal ranks.
>>724731550What the fuckI'm gonna grab it tooI always liked Blair Dame
>>724691660>compares it to eating shit>comparison implies he willingly eats shit even if he hates itanalogies are not your strong suit
