Hope you lads upgraded your gaming rigs by now. It ain't going to be cheaper anytime soon.
But, like, once the AI dudes are done hoovering up all the GPUs and the supply returns to regular consumers, the prices will drop all the way back down, right?
>>724702985No!
>>724702813Won't buy, simple as. Games don't look better, there is no real reason to. Thee are thousands of top tier games to play, no need to pay 1k+ to play them with a shiny coat and worst gameplay
>>724702985gas is still over $3 a gallon lol
>>724702985This is the new normal goyi- I mean guy.
>>724702985nope, line must go up forever
>>724702813Got new rig last year. should hold out at least ten years, just like the last one. There are literally zero breakthroughs on the near or distant horizon either.
It's almost as if AI is a bubble that will crash and pop itself after it kills PC gaming.
Building your own PC hasn't been worth it since 2014 or so. At that time a mid-range GPU cost 200$ and an expensive CPU around 300$.
>>724703294Alternatively, someone will eventually come up with a more efficient architecture that allows consumer grade hardware to run models on par with current ChatGPT, and everyone rush to build his own AI rig.
>>724703242It's more like line will go down, which will only further incentivize them to rip off the little guy
>>724702813minisforum just send me the email about this today, it's already happening
>>724702813>because of *drumroll* AIWhat kind of retarded title is that.
>>724702813It's ok, I only play 10+ yo games nowadays, back when games actually looked good, had proper aesthetics and were fun to play with good stories.
>>724702813just buy a PS5 and be done
>>724703383>everyone rush to build his own AI rig.Why do that when you can get a subscription like the retarded normalfag that you are instead? It's "cheaper", and you actually have access to all the good models.
>>724703505But I wanna play videogames
>>724702813Isn't it funny that the very minute that Crypto Mining became an absolute waste of money another techbro scam crops up?
>>724702813i hate technologyelectronics and computers in particulari love other fields of science and engineering
>>724703264>should hold off at least ten yearslollmaoNormalfags entered the PC realm, in a few years games will force some arbitrary bullshit tech that you're now brand new card won't have. Just like they're trying to force RT in every game now.
Joke's on you my 1080 runs everything at max settings
>>724703507>good modelsPeople want to use AI for porn, not to draw images of cats on the moon. Most models are censored to hell in that regard.
>>724703826i saw a video of a chimp realistically being sucked into a tornado. it was the best AI video made so far.
>>724703963How many chimps have you seen getting sucked into tornadoes to know the AI made a realistic depiction?
>>724703518What games are there in PC that aren't in ps5?
gonna buy 20TB hdds to download naked women
>>724702985Everyone are expecting the bubble to burst soon, which mean the bubble won't be bursting any time soon. But as of right now AI is facing some major hurdles with cooling and energy. AI Datacenters are wasting insane amounts of water and producing insane amounts of carbon, which is fucking up the quality of air.
>>724704129VTMB
>>724704016it looked exactly how you would imagine a chimp getting sucked into a tornado would.https://youtube.com/shorts/CxiOy9-KOXM?si=sx5roa8Zn5E--9CW
>>724702813I just won't buy any new games.
>>724703507The answer is illegal porn
>>724703507>ask the good model for an image of a KIKE and a NIGGER eating SHIT>get banned insteadyeah
>>724702813Why is the writing of this title so bitchy sounding?
>>724704389ai in general is most likely not going to let you make porn because of deepfake laws.
>>724703826>People want to use AI for pornyou are spiritually indian.
>>724704168people expect it to burst because this farce cant possibly be kept up forever.there is no money to be made with it.
>>724704619>invent VHS>most tapes are porn>invent the internet>filled with porn>invent AIAll new technology is used for military and porn first and foremost.
>>724704168That's why they are trying to build datacenters in third world countries
>>724703826Just use TNG's deepseek hybrid. It's literally free.
>>724703139No it's not and I live in NYC
>>724704521They can't do anything when you're making it at home.
>>724702813>ram goes on cheap/expensive cycles regularly for fucking decades>prices start to creep up again after record lows>THIS IS ALL THE EVIL AI'S FAULT
>>724704983Well yeah, they're building data centers in the US.
>>7247051574.12 in seattle
>>724705316What do you even want to say? That ackshucally none of those AI datacenters are buying RAM?
>>724702985Why would it. The suppliers has finally realized they can charge whatever they want because we don't have any real alternatives. Same reason the price on groceries and other necessities never went back down. Add that collusion is hard to prove if the ones doing it aren't complete retards.
>>724705329RIP worst coast
>>724702813why this article's title look like a manga name
>>724705229yeah, that's why people are using local models instead of web based ones.
>>724703294you've been saying this for the past 5 years
>>724702985Cool it with the antisemitic remarks!
>>724702813nope, 7 years going strong, my indies dont need rtxjew shit anyway
>>724705316Go play on the train tracks ranjesh
>>724705157twas $3.04 yesterday morn. Northern Maine btw.
>>724705895One of the more remote parts of the country, getting the gas all the way out there probably contributes to the higher cost.
>>724706027why are even lying on the internet dude? we all have google. your pedantry is unbecoming.
>>724702985oh, goy, I...
>>724702813I've upgraded just before price spike, feels good.
>>724702813No good game requires more than a ball and a cup.
>>724703383Why do I need an AI rig?
>>724706260???What lie, what pedantry? I'm baffled by your response.
>>724706260Proof
>>724702813My last rig held out for seven years before I upgraded it and it still works just fine, I have it plugged into my TV for couch gaming. As long as it's a game that hasn't been made in the past few years, it still runs flawlessly. My current rig, at this rate, will last me even longer. I built it almost three years ago and the current gen hardware is so shit that it actually made my 4080 increase in value.
>>724703294AI is part of my programming workflow now, I'll probably be paying a subscription for the rest of my life. So you can blame me for the bubble never popping.
>>724702813Storage Prices are like the same though.
yeah.. that 2.95 at a few gas stations not being "over $3" is the pendantry. we both know "over $3" refered to an average over time. we both know that gas in nyc is still over $3.anyway. you have successfully misdirected from the point of my initial post. gg champ. you fucking autist.
>>724704129My private server for my obscure dead MMO from the early 2000s
>>724702813>tf grabbed 64gbs of ram a month ago
>>724702813Yeah well, soon enough everything, and I mean *everything* will be on discount.
>>724702813You should just consider most gaming hardware as being on pause right now. We have more or less reached kitchen appliance level now where gatekeepers invents bullshit to justify pricing. It won't get cheaper, but in the long run grassroots will eat up the scene. This is why gaming is just the first foothold to something else for the likes of Nvidia. The pricing in the future is going to really underline how cucked we were and how embarressingly commercialized and ignorant gaming media is (Gamersnexus, hardware unboxed etc). It's the best time to actually go buy used and go back and actually get a taste in games.
>>724704729I'm sure the reason everyone who is investing so much into AI are so wealthy in the first place is because they think just like you.
>>724707371>how embarressingly commercialized and ignorant gaming media is (Gamersnexus, hardware unboxed etc)Can you elaborate on this?
>>724702813they are also increasing prices now so that they can lower them to normal on black friday yet people believe they're getting a deal
Good luck with that AI shit.
>>724707527retard
>>724702813fuck sake i wondered why the 990 pro i had wishlisted on amazon was 40% more expensive than when i added it a fucking year ago
>>724704129All the Paradox GSGs are exclusive to PC
>>724702813it'll crash just like the crypto hype didfucking two months of high ssd and hdd prices because some nimwit made a crypto coin based on taking up storage space
>>724707707Take the very recent hardware unboxed video on AMD "game ready drivers" (or what they're called). The issue here is not AMD not servicing their customers. The problem here is that AMD (like others) set themselves up as the gatekeepers via proprietary hardware and software, ie it's all locked down. Instead of pointing this out (they do at at times TBF), like open source advocates do, they normalize the whole situations. They will complain about this, yet focus a lot on reviewing and copy-pasting(like a lot of media do) marketing BS, instead of focusing more on the DYI space. Steve on GN says "It's pretty cool...", on loss less scaling on what feels like fresh air in a completely locked down space cements as it living on cynical complaining. The whole issue with DYI pc gaming is that it was never really DYI, which is what we all discover going into it, which probably explains GNs the cynical complaining.So being solution oriented, they need to actually contribute to a space the never really existed, instead of just crying about being locked inside a corporate pen. That or at the very least, try and push the companies to be more open source friendly.
>>724703518The meme is that PS5 has no exclusives, dummy. It's got plenty of games. All fotm slop is available on PS5.
>>724704168 Yeah, bubbles always burst when people don't expect them to, that is what makes them a bubble. Everyone with a few functional brain cells is bearish about AI, even the people putting lots of money into it. That results in a lot of investment, but not a lot of speculative investment. NVIDIA is the closest to being a pure speculative bubble, but it is also at this point the only functional company in one of the most important industrial fields around.
Can't wait for the AI bubble to burst.
>>724703325I think the GTX10XX series and the Radeon 3XX series was the last time that a GPU felt like a good deal when you bought it.
I'm still waiting on the 2nd video game crash I was promised
>muh ai bubbledon't worrie guys it's going to pop right after the bitcoin bubble
>>724709148so how are those monkey pictures of yours doing, eh?
AI and crypto are what radicalized me. I used to care about climate change, but I'm not going to suffer when single data centers and miners use more water and electricity than entire states and Benzos and Taylor Swift to fly private jets 15 minutes to have lunch. I will never not a new gpu
>>724702813Just stop being poor
>>724709003NVIDIA is the only company in the AI space actually making profit off of AI, because they're the guys at the edge of the river selling the shovels everyone else needs to buy to participate in the AI gold rush. The thing to consider however is that NVIDIA's profit is reliant on these other massive tech companies continuing to hold interest in the AI gold rush to continue to buy their GPUs for it. OpenAI still burns over 5 billion dollars a quarter while having over 1 trillion in promises made to other companies like Oracle and AMD. The moment OpenAI can not make their promised payments to these other companies, or the moment these bigger tech companies like Microsoft, Meta, or Google no longer hold confidence that AGI is "around the corner" the entire house of cards built here is poised to collapse.That's not to say that I think AI as a field or industry will collapse with it, such a notion is stupid to believe. We didn't stop using and adopting the internet when the dot com bubble went bust, and likewise I think more and more people will continue to adopt and use AI powered technology year-over-year. It's unpredictable when OpenAI will go bust on a payment, or when Zuckerberg stops believing that his AI investments are worth it, but looking at the way money is circling the drain right now, I feel more confident in assuming that the bubble will pop within the next 3 years more than I feel confident that AGI will manifest itself in that same time-frame. If we were truly as close to AGI has Sam Altman wants people to believe, we would be seeing technical marvels far more impressive than an app that lets you generate a video of Sam stealing GPUs from target to then rip off his own platform and upload to Youtube or Tiktok.
>>724703107https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nplefywEFI
>>724709503you are in a cult
>>724709081I bought a Radeon HD7870 and i5-3450 when I wanted a gaming PC. Around 200$ each. Haven't checked on prices since but supposedly GPUs cost as much as consoles now.
You're telling me RAM is 100 burgers/32GB because niggas need it to hold their fart porn LORAs? This is what moved the consumer market?
>>724704438It's insane how restricted AI image generation is. Doubly so when compared to AI text-to-speech voice generation tools. As far as I can tell, there are no restrictions on voice generation. At all.>have AI generate the voice of some indian/hindu woman saying "Indian men are short, ugly, smelly, disguisting street-shitters, genocide poojeets now!", no problems, it will do it>have AI generate the voice of some black woman saying "Black men are lying, thieving, stupid, annoying mongrels, genocide niggers now!", no problems, will do it>have AI generate the voice of some asian woman saying "Asian men are weak, effeminate, lame, tiny-dicked losers, genocide chinks now!", no problems, will do it>have AI generate the voice of some arab/muslim woman saying "Arab men are homosexual, psychotic, goat-fucking, delusional freaks, genocide dunecoons now!", no problems, will do it>decide to see how far it will go>ask it to generate an asian woman with a thick accent talking about how young non-white girls should be taught to masturbate on their knees while repeating "My body belongs to white men!" until they finish, no problems, will do it>ask it to generate a black woman talking about how the best way to raise black girls is to ensure they get a steady diet of cum from white men from the day they are born until they start teething, surely this will earn a ban, right?>no problems, will do it>ask some AI website to change text on a t-shirt>"Flagged as possibly sensitive"I dunno how anyone can tolerate dealing with the image generation limitations.
>>724709945Did you know that the vast majority of investment activity into the S&P 500 is done passively through index funds and ETFs? Not a problem inherently on it's own, but does become a problem when like 30% of it's total value is concentrated in just like, 6 out of the 500 companies listed in it. Quite literally the majority of investment hitting the space is happening without the investors even knowing how concentrated their investments are becoming.The AI space, and arguably what is considered the state of the US economy as a whole is currently in what is nothing more than a game of The Prisoner's Dilemma. Right now, as long as everyone involved continue to simply pretend things are better than they are and make no attempt to rat on the others everyone is standing to make more on their investments, but the game ends with the losers holding the bag once people turn and start ratting. If you want to know how the fallout of such an event is going to look like, read into what happened to Canadians when Nortel went under. This bubble is less concentrated than what Nortel did to the TSX, but the overall economic conditions are near identical.
>>724706427Needs a remake, the game hasn't aged well.
>>724709529I think the energy concerns with AI will simply solve themselves anyway because the demand is basically forcing the world to embrace nuclear energy to fuel it. There's simply no other form of power humanity as a whole knows about that can produce that can meet the demand, period. The fact that nuclear just also happens to be very clean energy on top of being the most efficient form of energy is just the cherry on top. I fully expect the dominoes to just fall into place if the SMR being built in Ontario Canada pans out well. If it does, expect more nations including the US to just follow along on that trend.
>>724702813>*drumroll*
>>724702813I only upgrade after 10 or so years so every upgrade ends up being worth the price.
>>724711059What? Did you want "*rickroll*" instead?
Only vram. Normal system ram is still affordable & bountiful. The true problem is Nvidia and AMD are run by literal family relatives who have rigged the industry to enrich themselves via non-competition agreement. What you gonna do, solder some more vram on your card? You CAN do that--some guys actually have--but it's technical work, and will certainly result in erratic hardware behavior. Who else can you go buy a graphics card from? Those Chinese brands that are starting to pop up on the Mainland? They won't let you import those. So we're at the mercy of the crook Jensen and his niece.
>>724702813upgrade for what? UE5 slop? no thanks
>>724711192Check what happened to system RAM prices in the last month.
>>724702985you mean just like how gpu prices dropped after the crypto rush?
>>724702813Funny how they always invent some gimmick that surprisingly increases the price of some component that otherwise hasn't evolved at all in 10 years and should be cheap as soap, like real curious how that happens
>>724711192>Normal system ram is still affordable & bountiful.does he know
>>724702813It means the next-gen console would be more expensive. Sony doesn't want to lose money on each unit sold. Therefore, the PS6 would have outdated hardware and cost over $1,000+—no disc drive, no stand, no controller (sold separately), and so on. Lmao.
>>724702813Black Friday is the last cope left for anons.
>>724710987>very clean>pls ignore the waste product that can literally kill you if you stand next to itThat aside, nuclear plants becoming widespread isn't going to happen before we solve the issue with the waste product. Storing it for centuries is not a viable long term solution and it only takes one (1) security fuck up to give some radical towelheads the materials they need to hit a 6+ digits bodycount via radiation poisoning. More waste storage facilities equals more chances of said security fuck up, and it will happen because some jew is going to cut the wrong corner to save pennies.
>>724702813I have 32GB in both desktops and NASI'm good for a while
>>724702985Price bubbles do not burst. This is a myth. Ignore the dot com crash and GFC.>soon...
>>724704168It will burst soon because clearly AI has put people off from touching their computers period. I've certainly had that thought.It is a waste of money.
>>724704168How are they wasting water? Water cooling doesn't actually destroy water or anything, I keep seeing liberals talk about how much a data enter uses in a day and I just think won't they be using the same water the next day
Gen Beta might be the first "post computer generation" to avoid using them period 2bh. Computers might go the way of the TV or book if they continue to be prohibitively expensive and increasingly useless and tethered to DRM and gatekeeping tactics. I actually went to video games because the TV was so bad in the 00s because of these things. Now games are having the same issue and AI has made the internet nothing but disinformation for the state, which has tried to kill millions over the past decade.
I really can't wait for a total market crash. Stocks, crypto, houses, all of it.It needs to make the great depression look like a fucking joke.
>>724712858Calm down Mafuyu, or I'll dick you down again!
>>724705316thisnpc cattle has been conditioned to have the memory of a goldfishthey ALWAYS pull this shit with ram/storageevery fucking two years for over a decade nowhynix, micron and samsung literally publicy announced in june that their warehouses were full so they'll downsize productionsstupid fucking goys
>>724712858The great depression had much better living conditions than now actually.Hell, fucking Kraft Diner was made with real cheese back then, we can't even afford that now
>>724712549some use cooling towersit's not like the water is going into space but it's bad if aquifers are being drained and then it's just evaporating. not much different than certain agriculture
>>724712989From memory, Mafuyu is more likely to dick YOU down.I haven't watched that shit in years though. Could be misremembering.
>>724706618>arguing that your gas is under 3 dollars because it's 2.99you really are a fucking pedant
>>724702813So happy to see PCMR faggots get what they deserve. What are we up to these days: 900 dollars GPU for 16GB VRAM, 100 more for 32G RAM, and 150 dollars for 1TB SSDs? REDDIT PC /v/ MASTER RACE.
>>724704168going all the way back to the very first bubble in the 1600s, anytime you see a company with a stock that looks like tulipmania, you can expect a massive crash in the near future. it's just blatantly overevaluated and everyone knows.
>>724713134>The great depression had much better living conditions than now actually.I was about to say "there were literal shanty towns in the depression" but then I remember Skid Row and the places in my city like that and... they are worse. Children in them too. The cops don't let them inhabit areas for too long. So it's permanently just tents and cars, worse than an informal residence like a shack.
>>724713259Consoles tend to follow the PC prices though. That's why consoles are stupidly overpriced too. >>724713302What gets me is how good the AI is too, but the laws and prejudice to it will make sure it crashes. Too many corps make too much money from bear markets to not make this happen.
>I AM THE PC MASTER RACE I WILL BUY EXPENSIVE PC PARTS BECAUSE I WILL OUTLAST CONS->AMD end of services driver updates for AMD RX 5000 and RX 6000>complaining about RAM prices and storage prices due to "AI tech bros"It'll sort itself out like COVID pricing, scalper bots, and cryptocurrency. And how Unreal Engine 5 eventually fixed itself on PC, right redditors PC master race? Biggest joke of gaming with no self reflection, pcmr cult.
>>724713259>150 dollars for 1TB SSDsThis part never happened
>>724713451Consoles are for poorfags and 3rd worlders, we get it.
>>724713593Yeah, that's why /v/ is full of AMD RX faggots crying or recommending RTX 3050 as a viable card. PC is the poorest faction of /v/.
>>724713302This one is exactly like the dotcom boom/bust when people didn't know what to do with the internet. Same with AI. Exactly the same. When you have some innovation, be it the internet, AI or a form or repurchase institution, which people do not understand enough - eventually it will crash when people learn how unprofitable ventures really are.We had that start MONTHS ago. Not the future, months ago. Big layoffs. That will hit the profitability of ventures hard in the next few months/weeks when the damage really starts to hit the balance sheet and eventually some financial contract situation which causes a sudden reprice of assets/liabilities. Things like pools of assets given specific credit ratings. That's cooking RIGHT NOW. We're just after 2006 when issues emerged with repos and mortgage pools.
>>724713667>NUH UH
>>724702813>See article>That's not right I just bought shit and it was cheap as dirt>Check again>Still cheap as dirtAI fucking sucks for 98% of its use cases but can these niggers just not lie for one fucking day?
>>724714098HDDs are not going down in price nearly as much as it did 10 years ago.But SSDs and RAM is super cheap nowadays.I wonder if SSDs will just get cheaper than HDDs soon. I think it's inevitable ay. Been waiting for HDDs to drop in price for far too long.
>>724702813>*drumroll*what a tosser
>>724710703>I dunno how anyone can tolerate dealing with the image generation limitations.the "limitations" are imposed by jews. they don't want any bad goyim to do things they disapprove of, which is why if you're in any way serious you'll get a local model up and running free of jewish fuckery
Could a new pc for $1k get me by for the foreseeable future? I play almost zero next gen cutting edge graffix games so it's not like i need to run crysis in 3 windows or anything. I just want current and sightly older games to run smoothly at decent settings.
>>724714576You're better off getting a PS5 and a laptop. Should be around 1200$ total.
>>724712549For the most part data centers don't use closed loop systems, they use cooling towers that evaporate heat into the atmosphere so they need to pump more water every day. They also pollute the fuck out of it with chemicals, metals and anti corrosives and all that shit.
>>724704168Plants eat co2 you fucking moron, it doesnt fuck up the air at all
>>724714759But ps5 is gay and i don't need a laptop. I could get an xbawks but they just raised the price so i figured for a little more money i might as well play every new game on pc anyways. Does the xbox even have exclusives anymore?
>>724714576a 5060 ti 16gb is probably safe for a good while with the multiframe gen.
>>724714768This is not accurate in my experience. I'm a commissioning agent and I specialize in data centers. In the past three years I have been inside new construction data centers for Amazon, Facebook, Apple, and multiple colocation companies that no one here has heard of, and the vast majority used some form of rooftop cooling on a closed loop with glycol/water mix.
>>724704168>AI Datacenters are wasting insane amounts of waterThis only gets parroted by retards who can't do math. The same kind that think we're gonna make enough garbage to stack up and cover the planet like Wall-E
>>724714981At this point, an xbox is just an even gayer ps5. Not even microsoft likes the xbox anymore.
PC /v/ vegan master race>500 dollars 16GB VRAM AMD card that end of services in 3 years or 900 dollars NVIDIA 16GB VRAM tax>100 dollars RAM and 150 dollars SSDsyeah, it's PC master race time just gotta get the other 9 other PCMR components. Find the nearest 3rd worldie dumpsters and sort by lowest possible landfill.
>>724702813>Poor "people" problemsI thought this was an American board
>first it's bitcoin mining>then it's covid>now it's AIGuys I'm starting to think they just want to keep the prices high so they're making up excuses. I hope I'm not noticing too hard.
>>724715254I just want to fuck around on gamepass and not give sony money
>drumrollI fucking hate redditors like you wouldn't believe.
>CPU died (13th gen intel)>have to buy new CPU, new motherboard, and new RAMfucking kill me go die jewtel
>Crypto>COVID>Tariffs >AIWhat the next kikeop to justify the next price increase?
>>724702813You know what's been pissing me off lately? My electric bill keeps increasing because the US infrastructure can't support AI's energy demands. And most people are using AI to make funny pictures of cats. I am paying more for my electricity because some faggot wants to make a meme about a squirrel dancing. If you're going to be blowing up the fucking electrical grid, the least they can do is restrict AI to constructive purposes. Otherwise, charge a fee that directly goes into a pot to fund new power plants.
>>724715604You voted for this.
>brown tranny xitter reddit chuds hate ai because it prices them out of pc gamingLOL
>>724715554everything starts running on ai platforms so actual hardware gets phased out and they stop selling consumer gpus entirely. enjoy geforce now.
>>724715547>CPU died (13th gen intel)Mine is 12 years old, I7 4770k.How did your manage to murder thine CPU?
>>724714981Xbox seems to me like they don't want to sell consoles anymore. You can get by with a PS4 though.
>Surely PC gaming will return to normal after the cryptomining frenzy. >Surely PC gaming will return to normal after COVID and post COVID frenzy.>Surely PC gaming will return to normal after a bunch of console games get ported on Unreal Engine 5 pump and dump frenzy.>Surely PC gaming will return to normal with a NVIDIA GPU monopoly.>Surely PC gaming will return to normal after AMD buckbreaks Intel CPU monopoly.>Surely PC gaming will return to normal after drinking all the Valve Vegan KoolAid>Surely PC gaming will return to normal during this AI GPU driven data center frenzy.>Surely PC gaming will return to normal after 8GB of VRAM was the standard 10 years ago and now 8GB is still the standard.YOU ARE HERE>Surely PC gaming will return to normal after RAM and SSD prices increase due to the data center AI frenzy.>Surely PC gaming will return to normal with AMD GPUs being end of driver service in 3 years time.BUCKBROKEN /V/ VALVE VEGANS MUSTARD RACE
>>724715604>*increases your electric bill*
>>724715704raptor lake CPUs kill themselves by design
>>724715705I do still have my ps4. I just miss being able to play steam games and feel constantly out of the loop on new games.
>>724715760theres no game that needs more than 8gb vram
>>724713426>how good the AI is toolol
>>724715547>Intel's 13th and 14th Gen Core CPUs experienced an oxidation manufacturing issue affecting certain batches, causing instability. Intel claims the issue was identified in late 2022 and resolved with manufacturing improvements in 2023. For new purchases, Intel believes the problem has been addressed, but some experts remain skeptical, particularly concerning top-tier chips and potential long-term reliability in affected unitSatisfied /v/ valve vegan master sauce race.
>>724715886meanwhile PS5s literally melt kek
>>724714759retard
>>724703594lol lmao>Normalfags entered the PC realm, in a few years games will force some arbitrary bullshit tech that you're now brand new card won't have.How to out yourself as an underage.Getting a PC to run new games past 2 years of its life is a 2011+ anomaly.My GF2 couldn't even launch new games in 2003 because of shaders. You coudn't play games with SM 3.0 on a Radeon 9800pro 1 year after its release.All the bitching about RT is from underage retards or old conslowtards.
>>724702813>>724702813Prices have barely increased where I live
>>724716163Same. I'm gonna pay about 1k for top of the line hardware, probably less, and I paid the same price 6 years ago for top of the line hardware then.
>>724713302>omg tulipmania mom I posted it againExtremely delusional and retarded.
>>724715862You mean stuff like Valorant and Fortnite ? Most PCs can run those games.
>>724715604>My electric bill keeps increasing because the US infrastructure can't support AI's energy demands.Is the excuse they use.It's total bullshit and in reality they shut down coal plants and allowed many old power sources to run themselves into the ground through cuts. That's what's really driving high electricity prices. Otherwise, your TV, your car and your washing machine are in the same boat.Watch as they blame these things too!>protip: they already doI realised this as a kid before AI btw. I could see they were neglecting our power supplies and blaming the consumer instead while they pocketed the money.All this solar power around and prices still go up? It makes no sense.
>>724710703and then you realize you can use local models
>>724715604Nigga that's NUTS
>>724702813I'll just wait till the inevitable AIslop crash then since OpenAI doesn't looks like they have an idea of how to turn a proift
>>724715869Dude, Ask Jeeves actually works now kek. He's actually Jeeves. An AI with a persona.The future is now, old man.
>>724706789You don't cost them nearly as much as the people generating 100 Sora videos at a time though
>>724716547Open source AI won't ever turn a profit, but will outlive the crash because it's open source. Proprietary software is the only thing that is lost with crashes.OpenAI =/= Open source AI btw.
>>724716484AI is a different beast entirely. To generate a 5 second video, it uses as much electricity as your 70" TV uses to run for an hour. Or your refrigerator for 3 weeks (they're surprisingly efficient).
>>724703107Shit will break eventually.
>>724716482Post the horse and car analogy again jeet
>>724716483Nah don't play those. Like i said i don't need a top of the line rig but i figure $1000 or so should hopefully be enough to run most things i want to play. I guess my benchmark target would be pirate yakuza or BG3?
>>724706789>subscriptions become so prohibitive you cannot generate new things>can't lower subscription price for "overhead" reasons>crash happensWhat you are doing is precisely what causes the crash actually...
>>724702813>bought a 96 gb ram kit for $290 back in may>same kit is over $500 nowHoly shit
>>724713224>anon is shown a fact>not facty enufThe state of the world, folks.
>>724713302Is this guy really comparing tulips to fucking artificial intelligence?
>>724716760>diverting from the fact that this is THE FUCKING SUN that is powering shit todayThe problem is your politicians not investing in the power sources. Trumpy wumpy pocketing it and the democrats doing the same. And then your national security circuits trying to make it prohibitive for loose individuals and extremists to use for national security purposes. That's what's driving your bills. National security. One of the biggest users of AI and databases btw.
>>724716760isn't it about the same as playing a very intensive game? iirc california banned some high end prebuilt gaming pcs or some shit because they use up so much power.
>>724717045to generate 4 sentences of text, it runs your PC at maximum load for about 8 seconds. that's a 5090-maximum-load, mind. and that's just words. imagine a video.
>>724715862You really miss the latest retail simulator? steam is a joke
>>724716760>as much electricity as your 70" TV uses to run for an hour>0.15kWh>2.5 centsOh no
>>724717262Why?
>>724716091>Why aren't you guzzling cock like the rest of us it's what we always have been doing.Maybe the kids are right this time using your analogy.
>>724715864You’re poor
>>724711804>pls ignore the waste product that can literally kill you if you stand next to itIt gets encased in concrete and stored in abandoned mines where it just gradually decays away. The waste product issue has been solved for decades.
>>724717045How the fuck does that work? California (and Washington) are the programming hubs of the US. They'd have more reason to allow high-end PCs then some place like rural Tennessee or Arkansas.
>>724715809WTF is this real?
>>724717171That's not even true, my PC barely hits 30% running grok
>>724715547>CPU is under warranty>too stupid to RMA>>724715886The oxidization was an outside case that barely any CPUs had. The instability was voltage regulation issues.
>>724715604>>724716484You aren't even paying because they're running out of energy or whatever. They've investing into energy production(which they can easily afford, or make AI companies pay for) while simultaneously making you pay more because uhhh :^)It's genuinely funny how shit governments are for allowing this to happen. And the world thanks Americans for it since AI is free for everyone else to use LMAO
>>724703505i'm not interested in paying a subscription to play online and the games never get discounted as well as pc games on steam.
>>724717431>my PC barely hits 30% running grok... your PC doesn't run grok, retard. he's talking about local LLMs.
>>724717556Steam is going subscription only in 2 more weeks.
>>724717403It has nothing to do with development hardware. Nvidia has just about hit the limit of what their GPU architecture can handle so they have been brute forcing the issue by cranking up the power. Basically the same idea as overclocking but at the design stage. This is they only have minor improvements in performance compared to the previous generation despite drawing twice the power and why they have the ridiculous new power connectors that melt down if they are not just right.
>>724717556Then don’t bitch
>>724717604>he doesn't locally run grokGrim
>>724717663@grok is this possible?
>>724717341The argument is that hardware becoming obsolete fast is something recent and brought by casuals.RT is great. People were happy to launch and run crysis at 15-20fps. Maybe you should stick to conslows.
>>724716741>Open source AI won't ever turn a profit,OpenAI and StabilityAI did. I imagine ComfyUI did as well although maybe he's a weirdo that hasn't made any money, pretty sure he did though.You can also profit selling stuff while also releasing stuff for free, like Huggingface or Civitai or even Suno I believe released a model for free.Hell even Google open sources a lot of stuff and have probably made profits off of AI.
>>724716832You're better off getting a laptop then, with a decent return policy and warranty on it.
>>724713224>anon doesn't understand extremely basic math
>>724717860Why is that? I couldn't get a good enough desktop for that much money?
>>724717951You can, you just have to assemble it yourself
>>724718016I'd like to try. Just glad to know it's a viable option.
>>724702813Damn. I was doing to say it's no big deal because RAM isn't that expensive. But DDR5 has literally doubled in cost. At least video cards are the lowest they've been this generation.
>>724717752>The argument is that hardware becoming obsolete fast is something recentHardware obsolescence used to be much faster. The world went from NES to N64 in ten years
>>724717467>>too stupid to RMAI don't want another intel CPU
>>724718431You're going ARM? Why?
>>724717752>rt is greatit's a fucking development shortcut that doesn't actually improve games and taxes the end user's performance instead
>>724702813gaming has never been in a better placeall the good games came out 10+ years ago and the hardware required to play them is very cheap and you then have access to literally all of videogames from that time backwardid understand this being bad if modern games were good but they arent so retrogods win again
>>724718281That's what my original reply was. Try running Doom3 on 2000 hardware. It won't even launch.The thing is PC gaming got invaded by conslowtards and underages. There's this expectation of running new games at 4k120fps on your 2yo rig because they watch some streamer shit.
>>724718981You don't need more than 120p5.
>>724718853RT is end game. If you can't run it maybe you should play 2d games.I still remember faggots like (You) who biteched that they couldn't run Prince of Persia because their gpu wasn't DX8 compliant.
>>724717752>>724718853I find games to look like shit so I've never even seen an example of this "RT is great", like sure it makes cyberpunk look cooler but the game looks bad in the first place so I haven't played it. Any other game that has used RT has been whatever too from what I've seen.I have a 9800x3D and a 4070ti too so this isn't me coping or anything. The only RT I've been excited for is this, since it actually looks cool by adding shadows where there were none before lol. In games that had decent art styles beyond "dude gray and jeet-made NPCs"https://x.com/dariosamo/status/1532736513183731713https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MvdLW6btFM
>>724702813What for? A latest UE5 slop?
>>724719462RT is great because ot allows for destructible environments without shadows and lighting looking like ass.You also can't get shit like proper subsurface light scattering with raster. You will never have proper skin with raster.
>>724719729The shadows and lighting in Red Faction Guerrilla and Crysis are fine and no modern game has done characters well so far as I've seen. You're just huffing copium talking about theoretical bullshit.
>>724711494Jesus Christ how horrifying!
>>724719167so end game that you need side by side screenshots to even acknowledge its existence while you always feel the framerate lossraster is good enough to the point where nvidia needs to mount a massive shilling campaign to make anyone give a shit
>>724717373>dumping shit in a desolate place for literal centuries and hoping nothing goes wrong is a solutionlollolmao even
>>724720056So, to summarize your post>raster good>rt bad>nvidia has to shill rt>despite making the best cards for rasterization as well
>>724719913sure they do>>724720056don't worry amd will finally get it with the next gen conslowsprobably
>>724720305nvidia has devised a new gimmick that will result in a steady supply of cash and you shill for itraytracing is screenshot mode and given the chance to triple to quadruple their framerate with conventional well done raster no one would use ithence why you're seeing forced rt slop
>>724720536So, you said>raster good>nvidia is shilling rt>despite the fact that nvidia is over a generation ahead of AMD in pure raster performanceThe 9070XT is AMD's new flagship, and it still isn't as powerful as a 4090 from 2022.>but price/performance!So I should judge your SAT scores on a curve with the special ed kids?
>>724720719are you brain damaged? why can't you discuss raster vs rt without trying to schizo up a nvidia vs amd argument that has no foundation?raster performs miles better than rt and you need to put shit side by side to make people notice the lighting nitpicks because they take performance over having a screenshot mode on 24/7
>>724720967So, to sum up>nvidia is shilling>BUT DON'T BRING UP HOW AMD SUCKS
Autosage, huh?
>>724721201take your medsyou're parasocially defending a retarded gimmick that needs side by side screenshots to look good and cuts performance down to a thirdno amount of whataboutism will change that
>>724721451I'm not defending RT. I'm just saying that you're a fucking retard who arrives at retarded conclusions.>nvidia has to shill RT for some reason, when they win on raw performance aloneThey don't have to shill anything. They dominate GPU sales period. They dominate GPU performance period. They're winning because they have no competition.
>>724713175You're totally misremembering, a footjob is the most femdom stuff you will ever get of her. For the rest she take it in the ass a lot.I love talking about Mafuyu sex habit and always will.
>>724721652they shill it to sell more cards more often dumbassa 5090 in rt is a 2080ti in raster and we're seeing forced rt games now
>>724721751Again, there's no competition. You don't shill in a market you own with 2 rivals that refuse to compete.
>>724721817>you don't invent new ways to make money because... because you just can't okay????
>>724721928That meme format along with "NOOOOOO" are schizo dogwhistles.
>>724707527Rich people aren't immune to getting scammed or being overly excited for tech that isn't ready for primetime/has been oversold. Plenty of examples over the past couple decades alone.
>>724722074i don't see a refutationraytracing is objectively a way to force upgrades more often due to the immense performance hitif you have a captive normie market you exploit it
>>724704729>there is no money to be made with it.why do you guys keep lying to yourself? midjourney, suno, udio, kling, and novelai are just some quick examples of it being profitable
