What game?
>>724744913TF2, Overwatch, Marvel Rivals, notice a pattern here?
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>>724744913any competetive online game?
All of them
>>724744913Just did a Phasmophobia sesh and it reminded me how the good players just fucking annihilate the fun (and spook) for newer players. Back then at least, I mean back a couple years ago. You'd have one of those pro players enter the house alone, 2 minutes in they'd come back to the truck and go like "yeah it's a Poltergeist", and yeah it was indeed. Now the game has changed so much with an added couple dozen ghosts, I don't know if it's still possible.
>>724744913being competitive can be fun too. only weak men dont desire to be better than their peers.
>>724744913>Toxic>OvercompetitiveWhy repeat the same thing?
This is the future you zoomers chose by supporting matchmaking over dedicated servers.
a game is badly designed if the optimal way to play is not also the funnest way to play>>724745351>You'd have one of those pro players enter the house alone, 2 minutes in they'd come back to the truck and go like "yeah it's a Poltergeist"this sounds based
>>724744913every game with multiplayer without exception
>>724744913Right play for fun too, but retards ruin the fun
>>724744913>ALWAYS GATEKEEP BUT NEVER NEVER NEVER GATEKEEP ME OUT OF VIDEO GAMES!!!
>>724744913Team fight tactics
>>724745412Ma'am, perhaps a kitchen is more your place.
>>724746328This is the most accurate thing that will be posted.
>>724746328>game devs make a zillion character classes, weapons, etc>everyone uses one of the 5 meta approved builds
>>724744913This is every online game ever.
>>724744913TF2
>>724744913Souls, easily.
>>724746702Korean devs and games are so guilty of this, the problem is that the gooks LIKE this shit and loves to blindly follow a meta.That's why games like Team Fight Tactics that's actually pretty fun are ruined because the entire game is balanced around "META" and using the same few shit all the time if you want to win.
>>724744995>TF2A vast vast majority of players have no interest in comp and do not go into uncle troons servers or whatever
>>724746328>Game is only fun if you're winning
>>724746702The devs fault for making a shitty game with terrible balance
>>724746702You ever take a minute in your pea sized brain to think that part of the skill process is supposed to be the character builds?
>>724746702>t. descendant of guy who complained about everybody using spears to hunt and how it gives them an unfair advantage
>toxic
All of them.
>>724744913Dead by daylight is the undisputed king of this.As it also has toxic casuals doing the same.
>>724744913You have fun in unranked, ranked is for tryharding.
>>724744913Dead by Daylight
>>724747159That's exactly what people who complain about sweats are implying.
>>724744913If you’re not taking a competitive game seriously then what’s the damn point? The whole point of competition is that people try their best and do what they need to win. If I see a teammate not doing that then I bitching at them. If that’s makes me “toxic” and gets me banned then I don’t give a shit. People play whatever they want in spite of their team are bigger blight to game then me and others like me.
>join ranked>dont try to winwhy are browns like this
>>724747445Gee I'm so glad everybody stays in their own lane!
>>724744913fighting games
>>724747652You are the reason theres ranked and unranked.Because ultimately games are for entertainment. You just find competition the most entertaining. But the truth in competition is it ironically creates players who cannot stand competeing
>>724744913the crying when they announced Safer Seas was legendary
>>724747652Based pro player
>>724747905Qrd?I want to see the salt
>>724747627>Get shot dead the exact frame you step out of your own base>respawn>repeat for 3 minutes straight>players are expected to enjoy thisYou are only capable of seeing games in terms of win or lose, and have no regard for what actually happens in them.
>>724747652And that's when people start goofing off to spite the autistic retard having a melty.
>>724746702Not everything should be viable. There are right and wrong choices.
Ultra-competitive (tryharding) culture is what gives way to rampant cheating. Just saying.
>>724748554>There are right and wrong choices.these are determined when players of different classes face each others.the meta bullshit is then created and used by people who don't care about the game and it's mechanics and only care about winning at all cost.despite all the buff or nerf patches a dev can do, they can't fix the shit ass "competitive" community that keep overlapping everywhere for whatever reason there is, you can create the most friendly fun inducing game there is on the planet, these guys will still find a way to ruin it in order to win the rounds as fast as possible.the worst of all? this mentally is not just on video games, look at the olympics or even NBA, all is about winning fast with more points, there's no show, no fun and no fairplay, might as well watch two robots have their way it would be the same
>>724748993idk maybe don't play simple ass games. games that require actual skill usually don't have "build" that you could follow some step by step guide to the letter.
>>724747117But then why did Valve ruin the balance of the weapons for compshit?
>>724744913BasketballFootballBaseballVideo game equivalents thereofFPSRollslop
>>724748387>im bad BABY MEnot my problem
>>724749195>games that require actual skill usually don't have "build" that you could follow some step by step guide to the letter.and weirdly, they are either all dead or played by an extremely small community.meanwhile those simple ass games are all swarmed by the competitives tards
>>724744913Every MMO ever made.>You have a build that's not 101% min-maxing and was made for fun? Sorry, can't join our guild.
>>724749581
>>724749771Yeah that's pretty much how it goes, and why I don't play them.
>>724749346Valve made the weapons more balanced and comp ppl don't care anyway, they use their own whitelists.
>>724749581>damn, sorry bro but just delete your character and restart
>>724744913People on the right think they're people on the left even as they're having a meltdown and seething over getting beaten in a video game or crying that they're 'forced' to try hard in a match to do well and play optimally instead of doing well regardless.
>>724749529Yeah, you're not wrong, but it goes to show "competitive" tards really just want a quick and easy ego boost dunking on random people playing causally. That's all that it is, ego.There is nothing wrong with a small community. "Competitive gamers" take issue with a small userbase because people might start to recognize them and know how bad they are, which wouldn't be a problem in itself if they had humility and want to improve.
>>724746328>>724746589>>724746702here's the actual redpill>players that exposed themselves to information, farming methods, guides, and tactics, etc on reddit and youtube>players that did notthese games were a lot more fun when self-discovery was more prominent than getting your collective strategy from the internet. questing in runescape was a fucking adventure rather than a to-do listin any case, all multiplayer games with people that aren't your friends is an exercise in the 'entropy of fun'. it's a zero sum game most of the time unless you are playing with good friends
>>724744913The Isle/Beasts of Bermuda/etc style games.>Just want to play as a dinosaur, eat some goats or turtles of whatever>Pack of 5 chinks with ESP tracks you through entire forests, mountains, etc>All using third-party communication so they're 100% stealthy ingame>Literally impossible to beat themI stopped playing multiplayer games when I realized that nobody really plays to have fun anymore, they play to ruin other people's fun, and that's a very different concept.
>>724748554>There should be noob traps, it makes it more rewardingNo. Design your game to be viable or remove the shit characters/skills.>I MUST WIN. FOR MY ANCESTORS! FUN IS FOR THE WEAK.Deranged alcoholic thinking. No person with stable emotions likes being around you. If you aren't the #1 player its absurd to think that way. Being hypercompetitive at rank 3259 is meaningless, you just seem insane.
>>724746702Imagine being so shit at the game you need to use meta builds/characters to win>t. Melee Bowser main
>>724748554>There are right and wrong choicesSo why are the 'wrong' choices in the game if you're not intended to use them?...This isn't a case of dumb game planning like Fallout 1 having Trapping being a worthless skill, because by nature multiplayer means you WILL be facing minmaxxed sweats.
>>724744913Mythic+
>>724747652The point is to troll players like you then get you banned when you rage the fuck out at a "newbie" (sockpuppet) or an "honest mistake" (throwing).
>>724745351It's friendslopWhy are you playing with randos
>>724750936>players that watch the how-to videosThis utterly ruined all MMOs forever.One acceptable build. One acceptable way to gear yourself. One acceptable arena team.>watch the video, do what you're told, ignore all other information, do not explore, do not use trial and error, watch the video by the guy with the Indian accent and disregard all other players that do not watch the videoFuck I really hate 2025. Take me back to EQ/Camelot/AC/SWG/Vanilla WoW before all this garbage was normalized.
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>>724744913Arc Raiders
>>724747408Pretty much, but I always consider the point of DBD is to make the other team as miserable as possible. Even being friendly/fucking around will just force the game to place you against a Blight that plays like there's millions of dollars on the line to a team of 4 with 5k hours each
>>724744913Other way around for me, I just wanna have fun but try hards always get mad and take it personal when you wreck them. They always throw a bitch fit and start accusing you of incredibly specific things. Although, it is fun to ignore and watch them melt down over you saying nothing.
>>724744913Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel
>>724747117The post says "Overcompetitive," not "Overly Focused on Competitive." There's definitely overcompetitive people playing Casual
>>724746328>ruin fun to others GOOD MARNING SAAR
>>724751181Nature of multiplayer means you will be facing people who you can win because forced 50 => you can play your bad build or whatever and still win.
>>724750936yeah well, here is the blackpill>no matter what competitive game, there are people addicted to the chemical release in their body they get from winning>in order to achieve it more frequently they play the optimal builds>Many do not even realize this on a conscious level
>>724750936>these games were a lot more fun when self-discovery was more prominent than getting your collective strategy from the internet. questing in runescape was a fucking adventure rather than a to-do listThe issue is game devs got lazier with world/quest design so they reached a point where you all but had to consult a wiki if you wanted to actually progress the game. Don't blame the players, blame the game.Go ahead and beat all the Tarkov quests without a wiki. Fucking dare you.Because you're totally supposed to know the key to that truck (THERE'S A FUCKING TRUCK!? WHERE!? THERE'S NO MAP!) is in a coat hanging in a random building across the map. Oh lol whoops did I say it was in the coat? Yeah only SOMETIMES it's there.
>>724751573And who are these overcompetitive people? Anyone who beats you? If you were constantly being killed by a revolver spy with god aim would you call him a tryhard or no?
>>724744913anything with a ranked mode>>724744995/thread
>>724751601Not every multiplayer game uses matchmaking, The Isle is server-browser based.
>>724751652But. Forced 50 matchmaking. Better builds or skills don't get you barely any more wins.
>Play Dota>use a "non-meta" build/character that works well>people flame and shit on me in game even if I do well>a pro starts using the same build/character that I do>it's now meta
>>724745491That's pretty much all games, depending on what you consider what 'optimal' is. If you want to play OoT "optimally", its going to be a 10 minute glitchfest.
>sweaty, nolifer, overcompetitive, etc etcThese are phrases only shitty players say.
>>724749771>you need to be THIS weapon to be able to join us for this dungeon>the weapon in question drops from the dungeon itselfI played a warrior in Classic and the amount of gatekeeping I saw over SM was unreal. It became even worse in SoD but I was a druid then
>Sweats make fun of normal players>Normal players leave to play something else>Sweats rage at lack of players/matchmaking-times/playing against other sweatsTale as old as time.
>>724751934That is how they can be sure that you've done it before and it goes smoothly with randos.
>>724752039Don't forget how much they seethe about SBMM because they have to play against players at their skill level.
>>724752039And this happened? Because it makes sense the other way around where the less autistic players leave and move onto the new game.
>>724744913Literally all competitive multiplayer games you idiot.
>>724751781>That's pretty much all games,There you go
>>724744913Every game. Every single one. Even singleplayer games.
>>724752076In maybe in the 00s I would agree. However, almost all of the time it was the party lead trying to grab the drop for himself or a guildmate. Some advertisements were honest about the meta axe being reserved. Said axe just made dungeon grinding a bit faster so you can just afk and burn out quicker
I just chill and take the freebies the game events give me in the one MMO I play. I don't have friends to play it with because they're either busy with life or play XIV instead, and I don't have in-game allies because I don't use discord. It's quiet but I like just doing solo raids of older content and farming money to dress up my player character.Is this better or worse than bothering comp players? I play an old, undertuned DPS unit with high mobility, low bulk, and low-medium damage, with a tiny bit of support power. The most meta builds are full support characters.
>>724744913any RTS multiplayer
>>724752404People who play rts for fun have the most retarded cheeses in their arsenal. You not knowing how to play isn't "playing for fun".
>>724752632cancerous mindset that killed genre
>>724748187There's not much to say. Basically, Sea of Thieves launched as a Pirate Extraction Game, but was a bit barren as the loop was just >do treasure hunts until you run into players>then fight>then race back to cash in the loot>repeatPlayers complained until the devs added more and more PvE content to fill the gaps between fights, which got bigger and bigger until they were adding full-on story missions and dungeons to complete. It started to become so substantial that some new players were just wanting to play the PvE content, especially since there's no other competitors for a multiplayer deck-to-shore pirate game.As time went on, these players that joined the game later on started to call the people who still did PvP sweatlords and bullies, that they were interrupting the game they felt entitled to play without others, and demanded that PvE servers be implemented. The other side of PvPvE players started to complain that this risked splitting the playerbase, and wasn't worth it because the people who want to play that way would get bored in a week anyways.Eventually, PvE servers were added, with a caveat that you couldn't really use them for grinding and anything designed with PvP in mind was disabled, and people complained heavily about it, until eventually no one cared because the PvPvE players were right: the PvE-only players quickly left after playing their fill for a short while.
>>724751681You seem hurt, friend. Why is that.
>>724746702They create a bunch of false choices on purpose so they only have to balance the five real choices.
>>724752810What is? Playing the game is cancerous? Ultimately it doesn't matter what your skill level is, you will play against players of similiar skill. It's not the better players fault that all the casual players left the genre to pursue other games. You are not having fun because of the better players, you are not having fun because you and people like you like other games.
>>724752810The exact opposite is true.Retards like you killed the genre
>>724744913Every game with a competitive "scene".
>>724744913Every multiplayer game. Stop being a sore loser and accept your defeat with grace.
>>724752939Seeing wrong info hurts me. You can still play many dead games even, there's groups for that, groups that have people who usually are pretty good and dedicated. And the people not so in love with the game just moved on like they always do.
>>724752986>>724753004seethe+cope+dilateenjoy dead genre
>>724753110I play RTS though, because there's still some games that cater to multiplayer (the only part that ever really mattered)
>>724753104>Seeing wrong info hurts meAnd where would that be?
>>724753110>enjoy dead genreI mean, yeah, I'll enjoy it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>724747652I sort of agree but if you are whining because your team didn't play perfectly and tried something dumb you are an idiot
>>724744913I look like this and do this.
>>724753192In the implication that good players get upset when the casuals move onto something else, and not the other way around. Like look at all the people crying about RTS being dead. It's not that it isn't dead, people just aren't interested enough in playing it, a game like vampire survivors has much bigger dopamine return for less effort.
>>724744913Every online game with pvp of some kind, sadly.
I'm still made at Epic for allowing for no build to be a game mode all these years later. >Hey can you remove the defining feature of your game? I can't be bothered to learn how it works or bypass it.
>>724751762that some people take the game seriously is fine by me. that some people are bad at the game is fine too. it's the sweats that still suck ass that get to me.
>>724753396Anon, that is a total non-sequitur. You clearly have a lot of preconceived notions entering this topic, rather than listening to what people are saying or actually waiting for any elaborations, as that's completely disconnected from the chain that you're replying to.
>>724744913I don't even remember what game it was but about 5 years ago I tried out a popular multiplayer game then got a warning because someone reported me for using an off meta character within literally my first day playing the game.I tried to refund it but they refused so I did a chargeback and never touched it again.
>>724744913This is literally it. Every multiplayer game and the majority of it's players are too "good" now, and that's the primary reason they're not fun because every game you just get steamrolled. This is why i think games were at their peak in the 00's and 10's, because everyone just sucked at games back then nobody took it so seriously because everything and every game was so "new" for everyone. I can't believe I'm the only one who thinks this on /v/.
>>724753546It's already mistake on your part making a claim that doesn't make sense... Name me a "dead game" with a community that isn't "overly competitive sweats". There is no Discord group for "dads who play 10 apm RTS" or something.
>>724748387>>Shit that doesn't happen>>Respawn>>Repeat shit that doesn't happen for 3 minutes>>Anons are expected to believe this.FTFY
>>724744913Halo, they're a cancer to even singleplayer
any game where the team size is 6 or less
>>724747159Then why does it matter if the enemy plays to win? You should be having fun, because the game is fun even if you're not winning.
>>724744913All of them. It's especially true for games that forces competitive players to face more casual ones, like Halo MCC.
>>724753875The CASUALS! meme left /v/ and became the normal for all gamers. Now playing video games, a monstrous waste of time you are supposed to do for fun, has been whittled down to the most efficient way to play in order to... I don't really know, get a tiny undeserved drop of dopamine for winning a game in a way determined by someone else using spreadsheets and simulations?If you're going to min/max something in your life, make it your fucking finances. Min/max your time in the office and GTFO of there and have some fun. Jesus Christ, if you have to maximize your video game efficiency like a bureaucrat timing his children tying their shoes, you're mentally ill and you're missing the whole point.
>>724753875It's not a matter of being 'too good', multiplayer games outright are full of cheaters and people who play to the game's absolute meta.Game design as well has taken a hit because shit used to be a lot more balanced but now developers add in overpowered shit to DLC's to make extra cash before turbo-nerfing them.
>>724753875>Games back then>Here's a gun go shoot people>If it's not fun pick a different server>If nothing from the vanilla game click just join a modded server>nuGames>Here's 20 different faggots with 80 billion options>You're only allowed to use 50 combinations or you're banned>Also here's 50 quadrillion lootbox and battlepass rewards>Don't play to shoot people, play to fill that sweet progress bar, you know want that bitch like the slave you are
>>724753875The truth is the social aspect has been eradicated from MP MP games these days feel like you are against bots who will kick sand in your face if they win and send death threats if they lose.It makes winning feel hollow, losing stings and matches blur together
>>724754780They added those sweet progress bars because people like you won't play the game if it's just shooting.
>>724753918>It's already mistake on your part making a claim that doesn't make senseThe irony, given that with this>Name me a "dead game" I have to say again that you're getting too stuck in your preconceived notions. You're already so assured of what the situation is and what you think the points of the argument actually are, that you're half-bleating along to the tired script of "actually you're just insecure and what you call tryhard players are just old players" without actually reading other people's posts to actually see if that remotely applies, to the point that you're leaping ahead of even yourself in said script and only half-saying your point. Which loops back to the original question: who hurt you so badly that you're carrying this deep chip in your shoulder, to the point that you can barely actually interact with others on this topic and instead just get stuck in your own head.
>>724754991You hurt me so badly. I already told you that. People with less interest in the game left the game and now they don't have anyone like themselves left to play with duh.
>>724754986>They added those sweet progress bars because people like you won't play the game if it's just shooting.They added the progress bars because a bunch of anti-human think-tanks figured out how the human brain ticks and how to manipulate it.Progress bar = More money because normalfags are basically chimpanzees
>>724754986But I'm still playing UT2004 to this day
>>724754986I play one of the CE CTF servers on the Custom Game Browser for Halo MCC once every couple days and I have a grand old time. Cosmetic progression doesn't mean shit to me.
>>724755085And I'm telling you again: the overcompetitive players are NOT the oldheads that you, and only YOU, THINK are being talked about, you blithering moron. Stop getting stuck in your preconceived notions.
Why does the "play for fun" crowd get so mad about losing?
>>724755238What does age have to do with this?
some people pick up games quicker, some people have played the games 10 times as long as othersmost people don't enjoy stomping noobs(in fact i feel sorry when that happens) but matchmaking pitches you against players of similar skill levelif you still get wrecked you're just really, really bad at the game-you're getting destroyed by the bottom 30 percentile, other noobs who picked up the game, 12 year olds, etc./v/ is as expected, dogshit at video games
>>724744913Peak
>>724755181Does that really count when Halo MCC has a super fukken massive amount of cosmetic progression.
>>724755297You don't get any exp or Spartan Points from the Custom Game Browser.
>>724755263They don't. It's a simple misconception, I understand why you'd make it, but no: what they care about is that it's such a blowout that they don't have time to actually have fun. The loss at the end doesn't matter, it's the fact that the match has been cut so short that there wasn't time to have fun, and a new one has to be started.
>>724755094Well idk who I am replying to. But yeah they added those to keep the "for fun playing sweat haters" playing the game.
>>724744913literally any game that involves competing against othersbut especially tarkov, warzone, anything youtubers and streamers touch
>>724755412Then explain why they get upset about losing.
>>724755289>le matchmakingHow about you actually make losing still fun?Even trashing obvious shitters is a miserable experience from how much they kick a shitstorm
>>724755451They don't. It's a simple misconception, I understand why you'd make it, but no: what they care about is that it's such a blowout that they don't have time to actually have fun. The loss at the end doesn't matter, it's the fact that the match has been cut so short that there wasn't time to have fun, and a new one has to be started.
>>724744913Smash Bros and DBD since they're objectively, fundamentally not serious or competitive.
>>724755524>they don'tUh huh
>>724755451The lose so fast they don't get to have fun.
>>724755581I thought you fags jerked off about how epic battle royales are for letting you lose fast and move on.
>>724755579Glad you're satisfied anon. Usually a lot of these back and forths have a lot of autism where the people in your position just act like snide assholes that don't really read replies or counter them with any personal observations of their own, just being all "nuh uh" with no logic or evidence to back it up, but you had the stones to admit that you were mistaken and say "uh huh"
>>724755263I think they just don't go into mp anymore.
>>724755693I am tired of casual elitists bitching and moaning constantly about heckin sweaty tryhards ruining everything when it's just them being shit and refusing to understand the rules of a game.
>>724744913any multiplayer game with ranked modethe mindset bleeds over into even the causal queue because that's where they go to train
>>724755789>when it's just them being shit and refusing to understand the rules of a gameProve it
Every single game that has some form of combat.
>>724755851Me getting called a sweaty tryhard in CS for throwing a smoke grenade.
>>724755904lmaoYou're such a victim, holy shit.
>>724755939Correct I am.
>>724755904Nah, see: that's not because it's something casuals say. It's something that retards say, because you were in the retard game that's a ball pit for retards, you retard. Go back into your retard hole.
>>724755451No one is upset about losing, people are upset about games they have no chance of winning because of an insane skill gap and they can't train against bots to get better because modern games hate having any sort of extra features
>>724754476so long as one of my teammates doesn't start having an autistic fit because I'm not playing the way he wants me to play, I do
>>724755851The average scrub crying about fighting games.>>724755965Casual elitists are retards yes.
>>724755486matchmaking helps you find other noobs to mash buttons withwhy do you retards think no SBMM won't end up with you niggers getting REKT by mediocre players? have you seen noobs play? it's like they just picked up kbm/controllers for the first time in their lives. the cute ones try to learn, listen to other players, and improve super fast, the shitters just cry about muh heccin' toxicity on 4cuck
>>724755997>No one is upset about losinglol lmao even
>>724756037>Casual elitists are retards yes.No, Counter-Strike players are retards. You are also a retard for playing it, or supporting the retarded arguments of retards that play it if you're not the retard I'm replying to. It's why you have such retarded arguments: because you're a retard. Go be retarded somewhere else.
>>724756073Ummmm you see the SBMM is at heckin fault for my losses, it gave me heckin bad teammates and forced me to lose!
>>724744913this could all be avoided if they just brought back 24/7 cs_office serversfull $16k every round22v22fight club fridays in the back yard
>>724744913Stop being bad
>>724755997Well lucky for you modern games have matchmaking and things you can grind that don't require being proficient at the game.
>>724756126>nobody gets mad for losing>gets mad for losing argumentlmao
>>724756227nostop getting irrationally angry because you can't control the way other people play
>>724756197Why do you think they died? Right, because "playing for fun" people stopped playing.
>>724744913Every game with any form of PvP
>>724748554>comp game with 30 characters to choose>only 4 of them are metaThat's called shit balance. If you have that many "wrong choices" in your game then you suck as a dev.
Why do /v/troons jerkoff about how epic gatekeeping is but seethe when good players dab on them?
>>724756245>nobody gets mad for losingWho said that, you retard. The assertion was that it's people getting mad at losing because they're casual elitists, with his example proving to the contrary: it's people getting mad because it's a retard game for retards, and they're retards. It's a contained factor far away from anything else.Not like this is worth explaining, as it's just reiterating clear and straightforward logic that you've been too retarded to follow so far
>>724756343I thought it was because companies can't sell microtransactions if they don't have complete control over the servers so took the ability away from the players to host their own games
>>724756497>Who said that, you retard>>724755412>>724755524>>724755693>>724755965>>724755997
>>724756497What are some non-retard games for non-retards?
>>724744913Besides these >>724744995, there's also arena shooters, battlefield games, counter strike games and every multiplayer game that other players use hacks for cheating
>>724756073>The ones listen, learn from other playersYou are retarded, that shit is a makebelieve fantasy that only happens via means outside of the game. To happen inside the game you cant use matchmaking, that requires lobbies, people to actually stick around and have to deal with each other over longer periods of time so theres actual consequences for screeching like a howler monkey and griefing the server.When I lose its just trashtalk and immidiately joins the next match.When I win, its at best a gg or someone being salty about the playstyle. At worst its schizos trying to take it social media and doxxes to ruin your personal life.
>>724756542You do know you're heckin precious trannycated servers still exist in CS right?
>>724756542How did they take this away from you? You followed them without a second thought and only the "tryhards" stayed playing older, less popular games.
>>724752039You can watch it happening in real time with Wild Assault.>casual players complain they are getting curb-stomped by sweats playing in 4 person teams so it's always 1VS4 and bots>sweats say "just git gud" in the forums>casuals abandon game en-masse>down to less than 300 concurrent players 6-7 months after EA launch>sweats complaining "where did everyone go?"Game hasn't even left early access and it's already dead on arrival.
>>724756582All these>>724755412>>724755524>>724755693>>724755965Refute your assertionOnly this one>>724755997Agrees with you. Go bother him instead then.>>724756583Rampart for the NES
>>724744913Me on the right
>>724754526>If you're going to min/max something in your life, make it your fucking finances.lmao, but also true.
>toxic competitive playersTRANSlation: People that are better at the game than me.
>>724752039yep, and sadly it will never change
>>724756608i've seen it happen, at least in fighting games. you can visually see them progress every 10 minutes. and they listen carefully, ask for advice and are etc. and are pretty fun to play with. invite them to private matches, or smth.unfortunately /v/ is full of the other type of noobs, the childlike retards who refuse to learn, get angry when they lose, and complain without understanding the game
>>724745362>Competitive game is still fun to play while having a huge learning curve (example Dota and League)What you said kinda means that you shouldnt even play unless you wanna hit masters AT LEAST!Tryhard brainlet. I reached Dia4 one time and quit. Alone btw without duo queueing. As you climb up, games quality even goes down. Everyone is a ticking timebomb and runs it down for the silliest shit ever. When I asked when does it get better? Higher ranking players all told me never. The more you climb you just end up with even bigger schizos .
>>724756730>not upset>is upset
>>724745362So are you saying that we must be better men?
>>724744913all pvp games.but especially millenials and zoomers.they only know how to have fun when they win.probably because they never did any real teambased sports, or boardgames with family.
>>724756796Nah. Even among high ranking players that stream you can tell who is toxic and whos not. You have players that are pretty chill, and on the other hand manchildren retards in their 30's that as soon as someone makes a SINGLE mistake in game (like they never had an off day themselves) they start the buzzword slinging "boosted, bought account, no hands, uninstall, retard" etc.And then you check their match history later and you see that they are literally falling apart 3 games in a row. But you know, its always someone else fault.
>>724756730How many posts do you have in this thread?
>>724756729It happens every fucking time, and it's hilarious to see sweats bitching about their own actions.
Reminder that high ranked players have AFK list. If they match against a player on their shitlist, just throw off the game by just standing doing nothing.
>>724757091All of them, including yours
>>724744913>toxic overcompetative playersoh, so cheaters?
>>724756608You don't need to actually listen to another player talk to you to learn from them. When I picked up a new fighting game and jumped into ranked this guy kept doing one specific move that kept hitting me no matter what I did. I realized quickly it was a weird counter move and all I had to do to beat it was do nothing, because it had a huge whiff animation, or throw because it only countered strikes. After a couple rounds I was able to beat this guy who bodied me round one and I learned it just from his gameplay. A noob who doesn't want to learn would just call the game shit and ragequit.
>>724757209haccusations in threads like these are hillarious because most cheaters would probably be playing in high ELO ranked yet the shitters who are bottom 10% are like "everyone is le cheating"
>>724756608Listen with your eyes. Learn from the past.
>>724754476Because plenty of games are designed to only be enjoyable and satisfactory if you're outperforming your opposition.
>>724757215most new players have a shit tonne of fun in fighting games just mashing buttons with other noobs thanks to SBMM adn trying to figure out how to 623Cyet /v/ is full of people who are like "i got DESTROYED by a tryhard with 300 hours labbing combos!!!"
>>724757357Your brain is designed. What games are fun to lose in?
This is such a reddit threadWaaaaah stop trying to win in the competitive game, let me win sometimes so I can have funLike a shitty younger brotherFuckin gayKill yourself OP
>>724757357Matchmaking system made it so even winning feels miserable. You will get a serious games that are a complete stomp one way or the other. Only a handful of games are actually enjoyable because they are so close they can go both ways. Those are some of my favorite an memorable matches no matter if I won or lost.
also you can...just play meme strats and goof around in ranked, especially on low ELO? most people don't use VC so you won't get shit on and nobody knows how to play anyways hell there's guys like that in top ranked too
>>724754526>If you're going to min/max something in your life, make it your fucking financesFinance is a fucking casino even if you have all the data unless you are doing insider trading.t. watched my friends pour over spreadsheets and programs for years only to make jack shit.
>>724757339What I am learning is that you are assuming i am talking about skill differences when what I am talking about is the mindset of players is so irrepairably fucked not even winning is enjoyable because i had to suffer playing with them.Nearly every game, worst sore losers and sore winners imaginable
>>724757439Generally competitive games without a pervasive leaderboard system.
>>724744913Every single game with a multiplayer feature.
>>724757435Having posted in enough fighting game threads here, the typical poster cannot even comprehend the idea they can be punished for doing something predictable and unsafe.
>>724757692>Finance is a fucking casinoGod you sound like a boomer You're gonna lose all your money!!!Yeah grandpa what if there's a fire down at the old mill and Confederated Flour goes bankrupt and I forgot to set an automated stop-loss on my app and I don't have a shiny nickel to call my stock broker on the payphone downtown, I guess I will lose all my money lolBoomer retard
>>724745362there's competition, then there's antisocial retards or outright psychopaths giving competition a bad name. The distinction is murkier than it should be.
>/v/ loves gatekeeping>/v/ calls it toxic when they're gatekept
>>724744913WoW PVP, and usually they are the worst players on the team who decide to just AFK after losing one engagement in a BG.
How games records the outcome of a match should never be an absolute binary.
>>724758073Where exactly is the gatekeeping in hugely popular games that are constantly promoting themselves to attract new players?>HAHAHA BRO WE GATEKEPT THIS SHIT SO HARD!>Game dies in 5 monthsCongrats I guess. This just shows yet again and again that 4chan posters are just mindless buzzword throwing retards.
>>724758231Sounds like you're getting gatekept to me
isn't there an overwatch stereotype of 13 year old gold ranked genjis who never listens to teammates like a chad, sams "i need healing" and keeps dying over and over again and makes his tryhard teammates seetheif that isn't playing for fun idk what is
>>724756937>What you said kinda means that you shouldnt even play unless you wanna hit masters AT LEAST!wrong, it means playing your best game, i cant speak for a loser like you but theres excitement when you meet a player who plays better and you manage to beat them or match his level in that very moment. also fyi you can reach any rank in any comp game if you just put in the hours, the ranks usually dont mean much, its the moment to moment that makes comp games fun
>>724744913any fighting game in existence
>>724758279Your genes should have gatekept your extra chromosone you chimp
>>724757976.t bag holder
>>724758198>deathmatch>team that get most kills wins>capture the flag>team that capture the most flags winsHow would you change that?
>>724758493Somebody sure is cwanky that she is getting gatekept by skill chads.
>>724758556Easy who played the most for fun. Obviously that would always be me.
>>724758345Those people are often just sore tryhards in the first place who screech if they dont have every buff up their ass 24/7
>>724744913>Be playing peak with retarded frens>Fun>One guy invites his buddy who plays smash with him>He's a hyper competitive psycho >Rushes to the top of the mountain and steals all the good items>Dies to camp councilor >Everyone else dies cause no items >He has fun and want to do it again>Next time we play he does the same shit and doesn't see the problem>Everyone hates this guy
>>724758961Sounds like a based chad dabbing on weak faggots to me.
>>724758961And none of you told him to stop hoarding items. You all deserved not having a good time.
>play "for fun">get mad when you get shit onlmao
literally any MOBA or competitive FPS
>>724746328Fighting games 100%. They been making the games easier to learn and these people still choose to mash buttons like their playing QWOP.
>>724744913All of them
>>724758556Recording each individual player's performance and rewarding them based on how they performed during the game. Bonus for winning, but not necessary penalized for losing.
>>724746328>ARC Raiders
>>724758961A) Get goodB) Tell him to knock it offC) Make him fuck offD) Design a mod that specifically makes the game much harder for him in subtle waysyou have choices
people crying about muh overcompetitive players itt are ironically the same tryhard gold shitters seething because their CHAD genji/tracer/hanzo muted everyone on the mic(SBMM always pits me against sweats and make me carry drooling retards in my team)come to think of it everyone claims "genjis in my team are always shitters but genjis on the opposing team are super scary". maybe-most genjis are of appropriate skill level for their ELO and the reason they appear to be bad on my team and good on the other team is due to him being a flank class?
>>724759282With a system like that ranked rating would just become a race of who grinds the most. You're asking for a system where the number always goes up. It's multiplayer. For someone to win, someone needs to lose. Otherwise the system doesn't work.
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Hear me faggots. I'm playing MMOs and competitive games for 20 years and there are 2 misconceptions in this thread.One is about individual performance in competitive games and other one is about having 'information' in MMOs. Aka 'everyone knows and plays the meta, there is no adventure anymore. MMOs are too much optimized'I will start with competitive games. First misconception comes from what rank you should be. Average player's mindset is that they belong to the rank they got when they perform the best. NO. You fucking belong to the rank when you play your worst. Your peak and average performance doesn't matter. Reason is that your rank means that you have all the skillset your rank represent, which means at least you will carry your weight while playing with other players in that rank. You MUST be able to carry your weight -you don't have to outperform-, no matter what. You belong to the rank fundamentals of that rank's skillset are your second nature. But average player today don't think like that. They believe that they belong to the rank equal to their average performance our their peak. That is why these faggots cry about their teammates all the time.Second misconception is that "meta" killed the fun in MMOs or competitive games. People with this argument don't know what they're talking about. 'Meta' always existed. What changed is that everyone has access to 'information' about the 'meta'. Back in the days, only couple of players had that information and most of the time these people were annoying faggots who would never share that information outside their cock sucking circle jerking inner circle..
>>724760812>Second misconception is that "meta" killed the fun in MMOs or competitive games. People with this argument don't know what they're talking about. 'Meta' always existed. What changed is that everyone has access to 'information' about the 'meta'. Back in the days, only couple of players had that informationIt was actually even more common than you think. Back in Ultima Online, it became standard practice to wear these mash-ups of chainmail and plate armor (I think it was chain chest/legs/head, and plate arms/hands) because that was the meta. That was in fucking 1998~.
>>724756729>casual players complain they are getting curb-stomped by sweatsWell what are they supposed to do? Die on purpose?
>>724760812trvth nvke. gold shitters don't want to hear this
>>724744913Whatever game I play.I will call you slurs.I will be banned.I will make a new account and do it all over again.
>>724760812People don't understand that simply playing well isn't enough to climb. You have to be able to consciously predict and cover for other people's mistakes.
>>724759845If it prioritizes efficiency over the amount of time invested, then the player that's able balance both should be capable of overcoming nolifers.>You're asking for a system where the number always goes up.Your rank or "experience" shouldn't always go up, but for players within the highest echelon of skill, they shouldn't have the game punish them for losing to opponents that didn't outperform them on individual merit.>For someone to win, someone needs to loseAll participants within a sport tend to get rewarded even if they didn't "win". Players that contribute more within a team based game deserved to receive benefits for their efforts. Besides certain playstyles, characters, or other attributes inherently being more enjoyable or resonating more with players, what leads to unhealthy metas in games is when losing is always a penalty rather than a circumstantial result.
>>724761376Team based games should absolutely reward more or take away less points depending on performance if you lose. Problem is making a system that doesn't encourage stat padding over helping the team.
>>724761369Lotta people don't understand what the team part of a team game entails.
>>724760812>Second misconception is that "meta" killed the fun in MMOs or competitive games. People with this argument don't know what they're talking about. 'Meta' always existed. What changed is that everyone has access to 'information' about the 'meta'. Back in the days, only couple of players had that information and most of the time these people were annoying faggots who would never share that information outside their cock sucking circle jerking inner circle..The amount of times I have seen people complain about shit being optimised or whatever and not comprehending you can just play however is genuinely annoying.
Exactly why i'm not playing online games at all. Vidya time is "me time" and i want to play a game at my own pace. That means if i want to stand around and look at a chair for 10 minutes i will do just that and i don't want anyone to tell me to hurry up. Just like i don't want anyone in my game that impedes my progress. But most importantly i don't want the game(or the players) punishing me for playing my favorite class fantasy. If i want to play a sword/board warrior i don't want anyone to tell me i should switch to axes because they are just better or that ARs suck ass and i need to use SMGs.
>>724761759Yeah. Most people just copy meta without understanding why something is strong. Which makes them incapable of knowing how to play around with anything else.
>>724760812>Reason is that your rank means that you have all the skillset your rank represent,Not true, it's really common to see players that are really good at one thing but abyssmal another in ranks like Gold
You guys would have a point if you didn't accuse anyone better at the game than you as being toxic and overcompetitive.You're the kind of faggots who will join multiplayer for the first time, get your ass kicked once, and then blame everyone but yourself for your lack of skill.
>>724762170>everyone is a hackerwhy would there be hackers in bottom ELO's? unless it's a bunch of smurfs, which is a different problem lmao
>>724762319I've been called a hacker a bunch of times for having basic map knowledge.
>>724752090Problem isn't better enemies, it's worse allies put in the match to offset you
>>724744913wanting to be 'good' at competitive video games is faggot shiti just want to be good enough so i can fuck up normalfags and shittalk>>724758036literally me
>>724762517most niggers on /v/ don't probably can't grasp basic FPS concepts like cover, flanking, angles, range etc.i've seen cod youtubers get angry and surpised that some "sweat" "camped" them when the angle was super obvious>>724762879maybe you're just as bad at the game as they are, but you see their flaws easily because it's in 3rd person
>>724762959>i just want to be good enough so i can fuck up normalfags and shittalk...that's a tryhard innit
>>724763072i don't care about achieving greater skill than what's required for those two things. high elo gaming is gay
I play ranked for balanced games, that's it. I don't care about winning or losing. If someone on my team starts berating people I get more satisfaction intentionally throwing than winning.
>>724744913When the Valkyrie class released for Tera I became a god of death killing people in the battlegrounds, it was pretty fun.
>>724762319It's been a while since I played a PVP game. Do kids still call literally everyone hackers? I remember that being the standard 10-15 years ago. Little kids would accuse anyone who kills them of being hackers.Now that I'm getting nostalgic, there was this one time only when I decided to download hacks. My stepbrothers really liked Combat Arms and convinced me to play. It was an ok game, but holy shit was it full of kids screaming hacker over mic every 5 seconds, and they were all dogshit at the game. So one day I decided to show them what actual hacks were and got an aim it with a wallhack. The game was ridiculously easy to exploit client-side. So I spent a few days instakilling dudes with nut shots every match before I finally got b&. I wish I had thought of recording it, it could have been youtube gold, fucking hilarious.
>>724751473>>724750936You faggots are just coping hard. It doesn't matter if people make or read guides, even when people don't the wheat will separate from the chaff. It's a rule of nature.
>>724756796Yeah, so?How are you supposed to get better at the game if you always get pubstomped by people who already know how to play the game?Most people would just call quits, only autists and similar minded spiteful retards like me would endure this and learn how to play against barrage of sweats i'm talking about how I joined Planetside 2 and got bodied constantly by all the shit I had no idea existed in the game for 6 months
>>724751590>game is only fun when people are worse than I am>"STOP PLAYING THE GAME WELL"lol
>uhmmm why wouldn't you be trying to win?>goes out of his way to study every current meta loadout/build, exploit, glitch, and esoteric knowledge possible in order to play with maximum full throttle faggotry at all times>REFUSES to play ranked, only does this in casuals
>>724747050>Souls, easily.This. The only people I ever saw in Souls multiplayer were people either exploiting or just plain cheating. Regular people just playing regularly were so fucking rare.
>>724763793>ESL retard doesn't even understand why he got called out
>>724763801Based if he cheats too
Most of the time, the "sweats" you people are complaining aren't really sweats (tryhards). They just have more IQ than you, so they perform better even with the same amount of effort as the average player's.Competitive games really mirror real life: brainlets and midwits resentful of their superiors. Every single time.
>>724753482Late response but the skill floor got too high in build mode so 90% of players couldnt compete at all.The skill ceiling is so high that normal players dont even get an opportunity to fight back
>>724744913Autistic retards ITT don't understand that "over-competitive" doesn't equal good.An over-competitive faggot entering the lobby just makes everyone sigh because now they all are forced to switch to meta to deal with this faggot, whether he's good or not. Either the faggot gets stomped by people who are actually good OR one team starts stomping and everyone leaves before the match is even half way through and your playerbase dies in a month because its not fun for either side
Had a /v/ anon friend who would get me to play games with him. He had at least a thousand hours more than me in every game and was obviously very good, while I was very ass. I dragged the team down all the time but he very rarely got mad at me. This guy is some sweat that just rushes ahead of everyone in L4D2 too, and yet he tried his best to be patient with me and how bad I was. He did snap at me once or twice but, considering how wide our skill gap was, I should've been more grateful for how patient he was with me. Not that he was a good friend overall, I kinda disliked him overall honestly. But I did like that he was a cool guy to game with. A sweatlord who's patient with retards like me. I love people like that. I'm very slow and I think I might be unironically retarded, so I always appreciate people realizing that and being patient with me while also not being overly patronizing.tldr; be kind to your bottoms, anons
>>724764196Nobody asked about how much cocks you suck homo
L4D2
>>724764131t. low iq shitter
>>724764357classic brownie response, your next move is "no u"
>>724764196What games could he even be getting mad at? you for There's little reason to get mad at PvE since you can solo carry. And if it's pvp then it makes even less sense since you wouldn't be in the same rank. You'd be playing casual mode.
>>724764131>switch to metaSkill issue. In several games I used to play, I would build specifically to counter/play around/throw a wrench in the works of the meta and I would succeed so well that everyone would copy me and my stats specifically would become the new meta.The most egregious example I have is Eternal, a card game. I'd build at least 3 different decks that were a combination of fun to me as well as being anti meta, and I'd climb up ranked and start seeing my exact decks played against me after a while. The Eternal community sufferes from terminal streamers who absolutely will write down every single card you play when you beat them several times and build an exact copy deck, telling their audience they came up with it and it's the new meta. It used to be infuriating, especially with how blatant it was, but eventually I just sorta accepted it all for a while before I lost the will to keep playing.While the initial burst of climbing up to higher ranks is fun, it really gets super lame and boring playing against your own exact decks every match, copied card for card.
>>724750936literally watch a guy infamous for being shit at games that actively looks ahead with guides for ninja gaiden 4 so he doesn't embarrass himself losing a bunch to themi cant imagine doing that anymore for a single player gameif hes not doing that hes being handheld through a survival horror game and even silksong, where people are actively telling him where to go and how to solve the puzzleslike why even bother?multiplayer games though if you play enough you can already tell whats good after so many hours or you just end up with the meta anyway.
>>724754476marvel rivals and counter strike aren't fun when you're being spawn camped or dying to the first person you see and have to sit out
seeing the cod players and troon cheaters infest battlefield to abuse movement and shit on all the "dads" knowing they will just move onto cod when it comes out and have no regard for battlefield in the first placeand the irony is how much EA/dice is catering to the cod players for this battlefield after doing a fuckin rug pull after the network test means no one is happy in the end
>>724744913Dead by Daylight, except the casual players with less than 1000 hours rage at the average zen DBD players.
>>724763801if you do any of these your ELO instantly shoots up. if game has proper SBMM they won't be matched with you in the first placeif game isn't like that and casual does not have SBMM, play ranked because pubs will be just top 5% players bodying everyone>>724763768SBMM sprevents stomps in the first place, those who cry about sweats have no idea what sweats even play like
>>724744913Fucking dark souls and elden ring pvp niggers.I'm not talking about people that make normal builds, or do challenge runs to twink like a faggot. I'm talking about the faggots that use engine exploits or just cheat in every single weapon or hit you with a weapon that gives you 999999999 souls and you get instantly banned.
>>724764131>muh meta>muh tryhardhave you considered "the tryhards" could be casuals just better at the game than you because he put more hours into the game?besides you talk as if "meta" is some sort of cheatcode that is impossible to beat without using meta when in reality it makes you at best 20% better(unless it's the gamdful of cases where it's so broken like leroy)there's tonnes of youtubers who run meme builds and still win consistently in high ranked play why do you pretend you running off-meta is the reason you suck at the game
>>724765681>like leroyDo you have that image with the Top 8 with like 7 Leroys?
>>724744913competing is funI think the new generation of gamers has a dopamine fiend problem. they see competition as an exercise in dopamine risk. this makes it objectively worse when compared to pve where there is no risk of being denied dopamineit's not about winning or losing. it's about competing. there's a distinction
>>724751473go buildcraft thenyou know better than sweaty dweebs with 30 layer spreadsheets, right?
>>724744913Can't really think of an example though recently I was called a tryhard for not letting someone follow me on yume nikki online. I was called a tryhard for playing a fucking exploration game with no points or fighting at all how the hell does that even work
>>724744913YOU GONE LEARN TODAY
>>724765984ABOUT THIS LOOOOOOONG DICK
>>724751934as someone who has leveled a warrior to 60 multiple times and has ranked to 14 multiple times and has done all the content in the game multiple times, i am not inviting another class that can use any SM gear to my runs unless i already have itsimple as >hoj can take people upwards of 30+ runs to get in>trying to farm as a warrior >you make the group, tank, set the pace>on your 32nd run>some dogshit rogue in leveling gear on his quest run rolls a 98 on hoj, this is the second time youve seen it ever >haha, oh well, that's the game i guess!>you do another 15 runs before you see it again couldnt be me
>>724766559i remember as a kid i used to ultra competitive over loot drops too. did you not grow up?
>>724765252>SBMMYeah, but in my example there's no SBMM nor there are any lobbies presentIt's just one giant map/server where everyone fight no matter the skill levelAnd when you're put against sweaty TRANU squad with voice and coordination and each individual unit can drop 3-4 of you it quickly becomes unbearableSuch is life of only MMOFPS on the market
>>724744913I am shocked no one has said Splatoon.
>>724744913All pvp games post 2015.
>>724744913definitely any PVPVE fromsoft game
>>724744913Hearthstone was terrible for this. You basically never saw gimmick or off-meta decks.
>>724771636hearthstone like most pvp games today have mmr, lose a few games and you'll face all kinds of wacky decks. in other words you're doing this to yourself by playing the meta.
>>724747652>The whole point of competition is that people try their bestpeople are not trying *their* best, they use one of the few already approved ways to play the game, and if they don't they get bitched at by faggots like (you)
>>724751419I always play with my friends but we would sometimes welcome a rando from the Discord who wanted a team to play, but yeah you're absolutely touching the truth with your peepee: some randos are absolute schizos. "LF friendly lobby" or sometihing and then the guy solos the entire mission just to flex. Insanity.
Karlach is literally the only initially available female companion who isn't an unlikable bitch.
>>724772403Maybe you should try your best if you're gonna gimp yourself intentionally?
>>724744913Left 4 Dea->kicked
>>724744913Stardew Valley
>>724744913Literally every MMO everLiterally every team based PvP shooting game other than insane player number hosting ones like battlefield or planetsideLiterally every fighting gameLiterally every strategy/moba game>>724745412You can be overcompetitive without being toxic,overcompetitive people could stay in their lane (ranked games) and they could shut the fuck up as nothing says overcompetitive means whining at your teammates, all it means is trying really hard and wanting win against the most diffiicult opponents possible
I think we are simply lacking a mode between ranked matches and just play for fun. But it would probably just become a second ladder
>>724772770>casual ladderDiablo 2's ladder seems competitive but people just hide away in their solo games or discord games and don't actually communicate outside of trading. The game is also so old that the Gate doesn't need to be kept because most of gaming is built up around it. Even those who have never played Diablo 2 could probably feel at home playing the game.
>>724747294Not him but why does that matter so much?why be such a sheeple metaslave autist that you absolutely must play even the most easiest or boring class solely because it gets some job done a few seconds faster than another class?is it really worth killing the peak aspect of MMO:s, the PERSONALIZATION and CUSTOMIZATION, just for some pitiful e-penis big score & clear times?Honestly, the devs are mostly at fault, but I still think anyone who chooses class and premade build solely due to it's meta circlejerk and not because they found it out or chose it themselves is just diseased and obsessed with the idea of being better or best at something
>>724747294Ah yes, googling. The most important video game skill
>>724744913>it's just a game, chill out>i'm so high right now, calm down>i'm super drunk, relaxThese kinds of motherfuckers are so annoying when it's a competitive/ranked game.
>>724751662>play game>receive key>huh neat wonder what that's forthis is all you need to solve the puzzle, simple curiosity and a bit of autism to compel you to find what the key is foryou've lost your ability to enjoy a good mystery because the solution is a few keystrokes away on jewgle, a sad casualty of the instant gratification meta we live in
>>724748993Absolutely based and trueNiggers that are bad at games absolutely require the safe space of a metagame so they'd enforce their own rules on you and win of thatIt's like that quote of "Don't argue with an idiot, he will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience"
>>724744913>What game?Any RTS that dares to become popular.
If a game has a meta, it's a bad game
>>724744913I don't get it. Are "toxic overcompetitive players" supposed to go easy on others?
>>724772859I think if your enjoyment of the game hinges on people not using good strategies then you don’t like the game
>>724744913Literally anything with a "meta" because a meta implies poor balance that sweats abuse making the game not fun for people who are just trying to enjoy themselves.Also games with strict SBMM where after a while every match you have to play at your best. SBMM should only be strict in ranked matches and relaxed in casual servers
Dead by DaylightDead by DaylightDead by DaylightDead by DaylightDOTA 2Dead by DaylightDead by DaylightDead by DaylightDead by Daylight
>>724772859You are speaking to an automaton who sees competitive games in binary. Either they win and are happy, or they lose and get angry. They are incapable of enjoying the process because everything hinges on the outcome.
>>724744913I don't get why a toxic player would ever ruin your experience.First, if they upset you, mute and block. Second, if you really are playing just for fun, should losing to the better player not be a part of that?Like I a firm believer in "Chill out it's just a game bro" but that has gotta go both ways.
>>724745351Sounds like DBD where playing as a "killer" is literally the most stressful game experience possible while survivor is just chilling on gens or tbagging killers that have near zero tools
>tfw fell for the "fighting games are a serious competitive genre" meme
>>724774160All games have a meta some are just more centralizing than others
>>724773908man, I can't believe how good we 90's children had it>play pokemon non autistically - whatever you catch, you keep>nobody gives a fuck what you picked and only "qualification" was beating the game>every mon was usable in their own right, everything could be leveled to be useful, regardless of it's evolution stage or movesetmeanwhile these days>MUH HECKING IV/EV:s!!!>NOOO YOU GOTTA HAVE LEVITATE/FLYING TO COUNTER ERFQUAGE!>SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED>SNOWBALLSNOWBALLSNOWBALL>PASSIVES LIKE AVOID ONEHIT KO>GAY STAT BUILDUP RITUAL & PLAYING LONG GAME>GOTTA HAVE THAT CARRIED ITEM!>NEED TO HAVE A MEGA IN YOUR TEAM!!>YOU GOTTA HATCH THE MON SO YOU CAN HAVE THIS ONE SKILL OR IT'S USELESS!>*autistic sperging about legendaries or "sexy" monsters*the only good thing modern pokemon fans gave us was the Regi memes
>>724774032Its when people spaz out about meta in low rank lobbies in competitive in any game.
>>724774390>every mon was usable in their own right, everything could be leveled to be useful, regardless of it's evolution stage or movesetkeklmao
>>724744913>too good to play with casuals>too bad to play with sweatsIt's a blessing and a curse.
>>724774157On the contrary,I'm saying my enjoyment of the game doesn't hinge on me or my partymembers doing their task to peak perfectionIn short, I'm not that turbo sweatlord who checks every party members gear and kicks them if they're 1 score short or have 1 wrong stat, and I'm most definitely not that fag who screeches when a dungeon clear takes 30 sec to a minute longer solely because "dps is lacking"
>>724774451In the ogs you could bruteforce the entire game with one pokemon. Im unsure what you mean
>>724774349Meh, Arena shooters don't necessarily have a meta. Some games are balanced well enough that the "meta" is mostly just community keeping themselves busy
>>724774451It's not wrong, thoughso long as you're patient and level something, you can beat elite four/champion with almost any kind of teamAll you have to do is account for elements a little
>>724774476Nta but you can in modern games too none of that shit matters outside PvP and the old games are way more unbalanced in pvp
>>724774451Amazing. You prove his point immediately with the first reply.
>>724744913Splatoon 3
>>724765905Why have zones? The only zone you need is the one where you farm bis gear.Why have gear at all if there's only one acceptable bis for each slot? Hell, just get rid of all the annoying gear slots and replace them with one slot called "Gear" and you loot a number from monsters and wear the number on your chest. Best number wins.Why have races if there's one acceptable race to be? Everyone should just be grey Roblox characters with the exact same stats.Why exist if you're imperfect? Check the spreadsheets, your fingers are a sub-optimal width. Kill yourself and reroll for better stats.FUCK YOU and your simulation autism nonsense that didn't exist 20 years ago. You ruined every multiplayer game ever, and the real kicker is you hate the games you play. You hate the wretched casuals who don't angrily min/max everything. You hate the weekly lockouts that prevent you from getting bis before anyone else (those jealous losers). You hate having bis gear because you get bored with nothing left to max out. You're a weird type of addict that has to have the best video game numbers or you throw a fucking tantrum.
>>724751531>>724747408To be fair, it wasn't always like that. The moment the survivor main devs added in MMR to DBD is when every match was like playing like you were playing for money on the line.
>>724774619I don't get people complaining about the pvp scene. Its not even taken seriously its entirely morphed by people shiny hunting or doing ironmon runs.
>>724774476>>724774513Are you seriously implying the story mode in modern pokemon games requires any amount of skill
>ctrl+f reddit>1 result>it's a twitter uservee truly is kill
>>724760991It's almost like understanding the game intimately rewards you with player power.Nah, watch a 15 minute video by a guy with an accent instead, and always make fun of people who don't follow the guide to the letter. You're better than they are.
>>724774390Still don't know how people turned a literal children's game into some kind of esoteric comp. When exactly did that happen?
>>724775737It's every game.It's not enough to take it in and savor it. You have to crush it, and not after weeks of engagement where you build an understanding of the game, but right fucking now. Get on Youtube, have someone else tell you how to play and win every fight right now. Can you imagine losing? You would have to try again. Unthinkable in 2025.Win the first time or you're shit and throw the game in the trash. Do your game "homework" so someone can feed you the answers inorganically while you develop nothing and feel nothing. Isn't that great? Better than losing. Imagine ever losing. Loser.
>>724744913I don't mind it. When I was 20, I was an overcompetitive douchebag. I'm 36 now and a married father of two, so I've drifted towards chiller games. I don't pretend like I still have what it takes to sweat like I used to. It's a young man's game and that's fine.
>One guy plays the game 12 hours a day, every day and follows every le meta guide, video etc. there is out there>The other guy is lucky to play the game for a few hours a week>The matchmaking puts them against each otherThe problem isn't the sweats, it's the fact that modern matchmaking systems are complete dogshit and is always having people face each other when they shouldn't be in the first place.
>>724773908Whenever I see posts like this I wonder what the fuck you retards think a meta is.
>>724756474Because this board is full of casuals and failed normalfaggots trying to act elitist. Populated by people that anons years ago failed to gatekeep.
>>724774390If you use a Pokémon to exploit another's weakness, you're following the meta of the games.
>>724758231Yeah, it's amazing how this board gets filtered and gatekept by games that millions of normalfags enjoy and try hard at.
>>724753875Hidden MMR has existed since I think Halo 3, could be wrong though. But the point is you eventually got good and now you’re lumped in with everyone else that got good. There were players in the 90s that could wreck your shit today.
>>724744995This post reminded me: did they even released the MvM update they had mentioned in June? I knew they mentioned that some fan-submitted maps could be Scream Fortress-themed for synergy, so it should have been around this period.
WoWGood thing the addon purge is about to reveal 99% of them to be complete shitters and get filtered
>>724744913Did it ever cross your mind that "overcompetitive players" play the game the way that's fun for them?
>>724776916untrue, it's only a meta if you choose the "top" 10% of each element with best stats, movesets and dual element combinations
>>724777418Nope weaknesses are part of the meta.
>>724744995Literally any MOBA or MOBA adjacent is a "No fun zone". I've exchanged more hate messages with people on one month of smite than I did in five years of call of duty
>>724777440Don't be a retardtake for example league of legends, every meta includes a tank, dps and a support, but not every tank, dps and support are "equal", it has to be the best ones favored by the current pencilneck e-sports celeb teamsSame way each element in pokemon has the best and the worst, and some elements are looked down upon like poison (last time I checked at least)Even if it counters some types, it doesn't counter as many types as another element, therefore it's considered "shit tier"
>>724777587I am not being a retard, I am explaining that weaknesses are part of the meta and if you use them you are playing the meta which makes it a shit game just like >>724773908 said.
>>724777628You're just trying to overcomplicate the meaning of meta,meta is strictly doing the most effective and reliable strategy, just following element weakness isn't good enough to be considered the meta
>>724777895>meta is strictly doing the most effective and reliable strategyNo it isn't.Meta involves following the rules of the game and using the knowledge of how to play.
>>724776080This doesn't happen, certainly not with any regularity. You just assume anybody beating you is playing the game 24/7 because you have a massive ego and cant accept they may be playing casually and still better than you. I've been told I have no life and must play the game all day by people that were a higher level than me because it's such a default cope.
>>724777946>Meta involves following the rules of the game and using the knowledge of how to play.No, this statement is incorrect. Meta actually involves understanding and adapting to the broader strategic landscape and trends that emerge from how players interact with a game, rather than just following rules and basic gameplay knowledge.
>>724778053>Meta actually involves understanding and adapting to the broader strategic landscape and trends that emerge from how players interact with a gameSo using type weaknesses.
>>724745412It’s like calling someone a “gay homo”
>>724778094Let me illustrate the key differences:>Basic Gameplay vs. Meta>Following rules and basic knowledge is fundamental gameplay>Meta involves understanding and adapting to the current strategic landscape>Types of Meta>Mechanical Meta: Developer-created systems that wrap around core gameplay (like daily quests or progression systems)>Emergent Meta: Strategies and approaches that emerge from player interactions and community trendsLet me know if you have any more questions and I will be glad to answer them!
>>724778192Why you don't understand that knowing the rules of a game is the meta of it?
>>724778269I understand now that you're making an excellent point! You're absolutely right - knowing the rules is indeed a crucial foundation of meta-game understanding. My previous response didn't properly acknowledge this fundamental connection.Think of it this way: Rules knowledge is like the alphabet of meta-game understanding. Just as you can't write literature without knowing letters, you can't truly understand meta without mastering the rules.
>>724778352So you agree that it's part of a game having a meta which means it's bad.
>>724778385Actually, I don't agree with that interpretation at all. Having a meta-game element doesn't inherently make a game bad - in fact, meta-game elements are often intentionally designed by game developers to enhance player engagement and longevity.Let me break down why meta-game elements can be beneficial:Developer Intent Game designers deliberately create meta-game systems These systems add depth and replayability Examples include progression systems, daily challenges, and achievement systemsPlayer Benefits Creates ongoing engagement through strategic evolution Enables community growth and discussion Provides multiple layers of mastery and discoveryHealthy vs. Unhealthy Meta Good meta-game elements: Encourage creativity and innovation Provide balanced strategic options Keep the game fresh and dynamic Problematic meta-game elements: Create unbalanced strategies Force repetitive gameplay patterns Make the game inaccessible to newcomersThe key distinction lies in whether the meta-game elements enhance or detract from the overall gaming experience. When done well, meta-game elements can transform a simple game into a rich, engaging experience that continues to challenge and reward players over time.Would you like to discuss any specific game where you've observed meta-game elements, either positive or negative?
Being skilled in multiplayer games is unironically just as mentally ill as speedrunning.You can't debate this, by the way, the only saving grace is if you actually win money.
>>724778554Whining that people are mentally ill for being better than you at a video game is a sign of mental illness. You can't debate this.
>>724778638Yes speedrunners are so cool.
>>724778554Your statement reflects a common misconception about gaming communities and mental health. While competitive gaming and speedrunning require intense dedication, research suggests these activities aren't inherently pathological.Let me break down why this perspective might need adjustment:While it's true that professional success (including monetary compensation) can validate dedication to these pursuits, framing intense focus on any activity as inherently pathological oversimplifies complex human behavior. Many professional activities require similar levels of dedication without being pathologized - consider professional musicians, athletes, or academics who spend thousands of hours perfecting their craft.The key distinction isn't whether someone plays games competitively or attempts speedruns, but rather whether their engagement with these activities maintains healthy balance with other aspects of life. Research suggests that gaming can be a positive activity when integrated appropriately into one's lifestyleRather than stigmatizing dedicated gamers or speedrunners, we should recognize these communities as legitimate spaces for skill development, social interaction, and personal achievement. The mental health implications depend far more on individual circumstances and overall lifestyle balance than on the nature of the activity itself.
>>724745092>any team competitive online gameFixed.1vs1 Chads don't have this problem
>>724744913People playing for fun also just want to win, but they don't want to put in the effort.
>>724778872i quit when i get too far ahead because it is no longer fun
>>724778638not him, but the thing is, most people don't care if other people are better facerolling starcraft buttons or doing 10% more damage because they """mastered""" someone else's autistic stat math buildWhat I do care about however, is when said """masters""" treat every instance, every match, every fight, every discussion etc like it's some kind of tournament or like their whole life and income is on the line.Like, what's wrong with people like that? to be wholly, completely incapable of turning off that "serious mode"Who are they trying to impress, bitching in a casual moba game,Who are they trying to impress, bitching in an MMO dungeon/raid, because someone made a mistake or didn't do things 10 seconds faster than the metafag is used to?Who do are they trying to impress, being stuck in some gold rank for the 5th consecutive week, always blaming their team?Who are they trying to impress, acting smug towards people they beat, when 90% of their success belongs to a whole teams effort, or the completely bullshit broken meta they're using?In short, overcompetitive metafags are intolerant and unbearable to be around, unless you are a fellow overcompetitive metafag who can take turns making each other feel like shit or circle jerk in elitism
>>724746328/thread
>>724778872Insane cope.Here's a dose of reality: If you can't have fun even if you lose, you're a wannabe compfag.
>>724777974>Matchmaking these days is absolute awful and pairs people together that shouldn't play together (just go look at the reviews for Marvel Rivals for example)>YOU JUST HAVE A MASSIVE EGO AND SEETHE AT EVERYONE THAT KILLS YOUWhat the fuck are you blabbing on about retard
>>724779146The problem is you assume thats inherent to anybody who takes a game seriously and wants to get good when high elo players hate faggots breathing down their neck too and people who are actually good dont care about the results of casual matches or even play in the unranked queue unless they're with friends. Nobody wants a teammate that bitches.
>30-40yo old farts don't have time to play games anymore so they are bad at the games they play>DUDE THOSE SWEATY TRY HARDS THAT ARE BETTER THAN ME ARE RUINING THE GAME The "try-hards" are just kids playing the game better and having fun
>>724779416Can you not read? I was disagreeing with you, moron.
>>724779507True, but this is why the thread distinctively called them toxic overcompetitive players, and this is who people "whine about" for being "better at videogames" forI don't assume that it's inherent for people who take a game seriously, but there's a fine line between taking something seriously and taking it too seriously.This is why I brought up the whole "Who are they trying to impress?" thing, when an overcompettiive, over serious person enters in to a situation that is not particularly serious, but they bring that seriousness in to the situation because that seriousness and insane obsession with winning comes with the package whenever they play any kind of pvp game
>>724744913On a PVP game no one plays to lose, if you are casual dont touch competitive games and dont be surprised when there are people doing their best to win or get mad when you are their target practice
Usually I hate people who go "omg I just get destroyed online, so I can't git gud so I'm going to drop the game" but desu the ONLY fighting game that's actually trash to play online is Tekken.>Get into a match>Close back and forth match>get ki-charged/t-bagged>one and done'd>back to training screen>get into a match >nvm he disconnected>get into a match>get destroyed >get ki-charged/t-bagged>one and done'd>get into a match>destroy the other guy>get ki-charged/t-bagged >one and done'dThis game is actually so fucking frustrating to play online. Everyone's such a fucking pussy holy shit.
>>724777385Thats the core problem, casuals and competitive players are not compatible, i dont know why the fuck casuals play competitive games to "relax" and "chill" and then complain when they get giga raped nonstop, pure idiocy
>>724780174one and done losing is far less obnoxious than rematching yet consistently getting your shit kicked in with no way to fight back due to some broken mechanics or infinite combos that should not even exist
>>724780180The game being competitive isn't the problem, it's said games not having a separate ranked/casual playlist
>>724780174Did they ever make it so you could verse someone more than 3 times in casual?
>>724780286>broken mechanics or infinite combosthat really doesn't exist now a days except for kusoge, and there's at least some fun in trying NOT to get into that situation. one and done is actually SIGNIFICANTLY obnoxious because you can't even play the game. before the actual mental games come through and growth actually happens, they fucking kick you out. It's like lifting and your fucking spotter takes the fucking bar before you're even mid lift. >>724780404Yeah. GL getting more than 2 though. Biggest bitches of the FGC I've ever seen in my life.
>>724780330irrelevant, because on PVP having casual is just practice mode for competitive players and ranked their main mode, the clash is inevitable, if you are casual or want to relax just dont touch PVP shit
>>724780180What's so weird about it?people play football casually, people play poker casually, people play boardgames, party games and other casually and to relax & have funWhy is that concept so difficultt to understand in a videogame form? would you applaud some pro like Messi for entering a middleschooler's charity football game and completely wipe the floor with the kids while constantly shrieking at them to be better or taunt them for being bad?That is what toxic competitive people are, the "pro" (or at least wanna be, who's clearly better than average, who joins casual matchmaking /normal games to ego strroke themselves, yet getting insanely pissed for people for not playing perfectly for some unimaginable reason
>>724744913literally any game that's past its prime
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>>724780576apples to oranges, in a videogame if you see "competitive eslops FPS" dont expect to play it to "relax" or "chill", a lot of the retards here are complaining getting their asses beaten in these type of games, they shouldn't be surprised if they find these type of people in these games
>>724780945>competitive eslops FPSName five.
>>724780945I find playing CS pretty chill.
>>724781106your reflexes will never be as good as those of young kids, gramps
>>724746328>>724744913I was talking to a guy who has avoided playing tf2 for years because it'll be "too hard to learn the new guns, and he shouldn't have to" recentlyHe completely refused to acceptA: Most people are ftp and don't even have all gunsB: Most stock weapons are goodC: Its an FPS, you don't have to learn shit, you clickD: Most people are bad at the gameJust "waaah waaah its too hard" without even trying
>>724780945>>724780808Ok but the meta sweating extends to very childish games, so it's not like it's only a "serious business" e-sports game exclusive behaviorThere's no money to be won from an MMO raid either, nobody is gonna pay you more money for minmaxing your gearscore and insulting people who haven't been sacrificing their sleep, showering and dinner to farm/grind as much as you
>>724746328It all goes to shit when playing becomes running on the optimized rails towards victory. Those kinds of super optimized players are insufferable
>>724744995Fortnite is the one that's the most guilty of this shit.>epic gives a bunch of streamers an all-expenses paid trip to dev hq to discuss the future of the game>actually consulting the cancerous fuckwits actively killing the game, ask them why it's dying and how to fix itWhen that shitass game hits its terminal death spiral, shit will be hilarious. I hope all of the involved streamers livestream their suicides.
>>724781438You think people are playing fortnite for some serious gameplay experience and not a memefest full of Mikus, Vaders, Peter Griffins and Narutos?How the fuck can anyone even take a game try-hard seriously at that point?
>>724781358bad example lmao, because splatroon does have their """"competitive"""" community that does tournaments, so its normal these type of people will bleed in the normal games>but its a childs gameit doesnt matter, same reason people sweat on fucking smash toojust avoid anything PVP or multiplayer if you dont wanna deal with this shit
>>724781650Nah, I'd rather the fanatics stay in their lane (ranked) instead of bringing their overbearing attitudes to matches that are clearly not as competitive as ranked (namely the matches that are NOT ranked, aka won't affect any kind of arbitrary skill score)
>>724757041top jej my (better) man
Marvel Rivals is full of people who are top 100 players that go into quickplay and bitch about their team mates, like every single match is supposed to be played like the championship match of a year end tournament
>>724781767you cannot control or stop that, soon or later they will meet each other
>>724780174You deserve it for playing T8. Almost everybody still playing that is genuinely mentally ill, actively hates the developers, and furious at all the bullshit they deal with in every match.
Counter-Strike, but pretty much any game.The reality is:>guy joins server and tries his hardest>gets dropped on his head>h-hey g-guys! k-k-nife mid only!!
>>724781881I know,but you can't deny it's insane and autistic to be a tryhard yet go play against people who are not tryhards, only to complain at their skill level or methods
>>724782154>join casual cs2 game>everyone tries like it's the world championship finalsWhy?
>>724782303>join casual cs2 game>everyone tries like it's the world championship finalsThey aren't. You just suck so their casual feels like that to you.
>>724747652Well, if it's a team based game, there is no point in being a dipshit since you'll tank the performance of the team completely.I've seen many times a team with less skilled players win against the better, individual players
>>724781438That's a good move. Fortnite money comes from tards addicted to streamer culture, the streamer tards feedback is keyFortnite has the very noble task of containing that population so it only taints other games but never overcrowd them
>>724747294>part of the skill process is supposed to be the character builds>"just build you hunter into warrior bro"
>>724782504>be shitter in a good team>other team is shit team with 1 really good guy>he tries extra hard to carry but loses>he flips his shit and rages at everyoneIs there anything better?
>>724782445>erm you suck! sounds like something a sweat would say
>>724782779Being a team full of shitters, having a shit early game but slowly turn the tide of battle and feel how the other team of sweating retards is destroying itself and every one of them is blaming the others
>>724781843How is quickplay full of top 100 players? That seems a bit contradictory.
>>724744913The problem is sbmm , they don't have enough sweat players so they try to balance teams giving an overall score to both teams and that means each team's sweaty gets a free pass on 4 casualsAlso even when people say they're casuals they're trying to win. If not they would have fun when they lose too and wouldn't complainThis is more noticeable in mobas where snowball mechanics are in place, also in round based games like cs because you die and are just in spectator mode the whole roundIn battlefield games you don't frustrate so much because you may lose and keep dying but at least you can jump back in relatively quick, you're playing the gameNo matchmaking is actually worse, I think apex is one of the worst balanced games there out there. Ranked is mostly fine you get lobbies with a somewhat consistent skill level but the queue is eternal, you go to pubs and it's all sweat tards. You have guys trying to hot drop and use their new cronus exploit (the devs allow and encourage this), you have the pretenders that do the same shit and die without even landing a fucking shot but they're in a hurry all the same, rotten. Worse pubs of any online game
>>724783168because no one wants to fucking play ranked. i only went as high as platinum 3 this season, and it said i'm higher than 88% of people in my region, which is the US East coast. i have been playing for a year and am level 70, every single match i play is full of people who are level 90+, i see lots of people who are 100 (maxed out).
>>724746702Someone post the level 2 wizard with fishing rod image
>>724744913me on the right (winning)me on the left (not winning)
>>724783521it's a shitty "you are silly" argumentEveryone knows things like AP Kog'Maw or AP Gankplank were actual serious builds back in the day,but then the meta came and suddenly you were only allowed to go one way and everything else was forbidden
>>724783631Nice self report. If you're a freak playing AP gangplank in ranked don't be surprised that people point out you're a window licker
>>724783442>it said i'm higher than 88% of people in my regionEverybody also starts in bronze 3 in Rivals regardless of whether or not they play ranked so the percentiles are inflated.>i see lots of people who are 100 (maxed out)Wait, by top 100 do you mean level 100?
>>724783442Pubs get a soft version of sbmm, more likely to land with 4 tards and being the life jacket against a "top 100" trying his new wall hack Rivals also has a very obscure rating for that as well, it has told me I'm above 90% regionally which is clearly not the case. Some stupid chink math must be in place to make tards feel better with themselves
>>724783710I never said ranked, see that's the problem with the people who seethe at builds, they always act like they're fighting for money and not in a casual match with people experimenting, having fun or using rare tactics
>>724783757no, i mean actual top 100 players. i'm aware not every no lifer who is level 100 is a world champion, but i've checked peoples profiles after matches and seen One Above All more than once. Either way, the games playerbase is made up almost entirely of people who play nothing else, and noobs who get pub stomped every match now, which makes sense since its been almost a year and the game feels pretty much the same. or maybe i should stop playing during unemployment hours
>>724783787At some point you have to learn to mute them and tell him they'll die as virgins99% of those guys don't know shit, but saw on a tierlist that pros use the same build and won't accept anything elseThey're not addicted to the game but to act smug without getting punched in the double chin
>>724784157I won't have to,I've quit mobas and team fps for good, there's nothing of value there for anyone besides people who genuinely have the skills and the mental fortitude to torture themselves with real competitive gaming with serious winning stakes.Doing it for anything less while being forced to play with people who think of themselves as serious professionals seems like a quick way to ruin a day
I genuinely can't remember the last time I saw anybody in a casual match really bitch at anybody on their team for anything. The worst I can remember is a dude asking in text what the hell my friend was doing and if they were new (they were) when they did something stupid. Another time a dude started pointing out what a player should do when we were getting destroyed, he wasn't even a dick about it, and they listened to him. Anytime people are actually being 'toxic' in unranked it's either the enemy team or purely for other reasons and anything game related only gets brought up when they're already bitching at each other.Maybe it's because I don't play MOBAs.
>>724761035in the case of premade team they should be forced to wait until another premade team is queued against them. you could also have the game ask if they want to split for faster queue in case there's no other team quickly available.it's not like good dedicated servers allowed team stacking either.
>>724784554You should see MMO:s>new content added>it's been out for a day>people already expecting everyone to have mastered all the tricks, skips, mechanics and rotations necessary>people already demanding you to have the best in slot drops that were just releasedlike seriously, the mentality of modern gamers is INSANEThey want everything now and they want you to on their level when they have everything at record speeds.It's obvious they don't have any jobs, but even as someone unemployed I look at them with disdain
>>724744995>notice a pattern here?trans
>>724776080>The problem isn't the sweats, it's the fact that modern matchmaking systems are complete dogshit and is always having people face each other when they shouldn't be in the first place.Mordhau>>724777974>This doesn't happen, certainly not with any regularityMordhau
>>724784554play marvel for 1 day you'll see it often. games player base is so fucking toxic
>>724782042i like tekken man and the balance isn't THAT bad. the community is insanely fucking whiny>played DBFZ in s1 and s2
>>724744913people who "play for fun" in ranked matches deserved to be pepper sprayed
