Have you played Tenna's game yet?
yeah i thought this chapter was shit. tenna is just spamton 2 and the nes segments drag on far too long. elnina is a cutie though
I kinda hope someone makes a fangame of the minigames from that chapter.Or maybe another Legend of Tenna.I really liked his game actually and wouldn't mind more, but I kinda feel off about making a second save file or deleting my save just to play it again.It feels inappropro.
Deltatroon is a mascot-horror game. It isn't in the same field as Cave Story or Touhou Project, it stands more comparatively to Garten of Banban, Hello Neighbor, and Fights Nights at Freddy's. This is also why there is such overlap with who is a fan of the games. The gameplay itself is a secondary goal (just like the creator is with shmups who instead of playing them, watched Youtube longplays) the primary goal was creating mascots. This is why the bullet-patterns are downright awful or overly simple, it's someone imagining what a shmup is like rather than playing them himself and why nonsensical bad mechanics are in it such as grazing (which has no reason to be there) or the poorly thought-out hitbox. This is also why anyone who enjoys shmups at more than a fandom-level don't enjoy Deltratroon / Tale. Personally, they would be more enjoyable if they embraced Warioware-styled microgames instead
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>>724755674Someone made a port of Mantle to the NES.
>>724756265I wanna play the Susiezilla game though.No offense to Ramb or Kris but Mantle is kind of boring compared to The Legend Of Tenna, nice music and cool art though I can admit that.
>>724755262I played Undertale, thought it was pretty goodTried chapter 1, was super unimpressed. Chapter 2 came free so I tried it and was let down even more. Never touched 3 or 4 and I have no intention to. If I need my Zelda fix, I'll just make a randomizer again.
>>724756669Me personally I don't really get how people could find Zelda randomizers entertaining.It always felt more like something to try and force people to still "care" and be able to make more videos about Ocarina Of Time rather than anything anyone actually enjoys.
I want Weird Route Noelle to realize she's a main characterI want Noelle to realize that 99% of Hometown are fake people: they're silly little caricatures that will never amount to anything and shouldn't be treated as peopleI want Noelle to question why they can't leave Hometown - I want her to try to force the camera to move to reveal what's outside the boundariesI want Noelle to do arbitrary code executions to go to places she doesn't belongI want Noelle to unveil inaccessible rooms and things you can't normally interact with
>>724755262>3 Sranks on first triesFeelsgoodmanBut yeah i was going schizomode throughout the first half of the chapter looking for a schizo boss and a shadow crystal, the pace only started getting good after getting the mantle.With that said, Tenna was a fun and relatable character, although he really is Spamton 2.Got my knight win before nerfs too, yay.
>>724755262>chapter 2 cliffhanger teases a TV dark world>spamton teases a TV guy or two of them>3 years of newsletters teasing TV things for the TV chapter>the chapter finally comes out>over half of it is focused around a retro video game parody>TV parodies barely present despite all the teasers>previous chapters presented a theme and stuck to it>chapter 2 was already a computer/internet chapter and a more appropriated spot for a video game parodySeriously, what the fuck was Toby thinking here?
>>724756925I'm not sure if I'm too good at video games, or if it was too easy to get S ranks.Because it felt really easy.
>>724757317Yeah the ranking system was very generous, retard proof even.
>>724756871>Noelle: "What if we kissed in the devtest room?"
>>724756971He scrapped most of the chapter because the game was in dev hell and the parts he could finish were dragging on too long. What we got was him basically saying fuck it and shipping the bare minimum so he could go ahead and move on to chapter 4.And somehow out of the two I still prefer 3.
>>724756925Considering how Toby wrote the game, its really more like Spamton is a great value brand Tenna
>>724757381I guess it's important to be fair for the people playing the easy route so it's not too hard to get S ranks, and maybe you could make the argument that it's thematically appropriate.
>>724757541The scrapped parts were the unused city board where Susiezilla was going to be the minigame and (probably) the Sandy Board with the cowboy minigame.So that doesn't answer my question at all. In fact, the Mantle/Tenna Quest shit was going to DRAG ON FOR EVEN LONGER early on before the rest of the devs probably don't him to cut it down.Seriously, this shit killed any hope that remained for me with this game.
Does it really feel like we've hit the "halfway" point of this story? I kinda feel like, besides ch.4, everything has just been a shit ton of fucking around with ch.4 being the actual start of a fucking story that has to do with the whole prophecy and titans and actual shit that matters
I miss Tenna
>>724757317It's very easy to get an S rank IF you're replaying the section, but it's hard as fuck because the game is constantly tricking you into choosing the wrong options there.And no, a barely noticeable Kris coughing the right answers doesn't count.
Has anyone else gotten nightmares about deltarune/undertale before? Everytime I play these games, I end up having some of the worst, most vivid nightmares and it doesn't happen with ANYTHING else. I don't get scared by most horror games, but for some reason Toby's cursed shit does thing to me.I remember one in particular where I was playing the game and after interacting with a skeleton npc, everything got fucked up and scary. I can't really describe what I saw but I just remember the absolute horror and dread I felt.
>>724755262Is this deltarune? I'm waiting for it to be complete.
>>724758639Yeah it's Deltarune, that's the man
>>724756868>she thinks it's an oot randomizerThe best one to do a rando of is from 1985
>>724758639No, it's not Deltarune.
>>724757829The rest of it just never got made at all because the game was stuck in dev hell. We never got other TV segments because all Toby could manage were Zelda minigames and quiz shows.
>>724758685I mean that's one that people make the biggest stink about.I guess a Zelda 1 randomizer could be more interesting.
>>724757973If chapter 4 was the "actual start" to the story then I really dislike the story.
Nope. Seems like I'm not missing anything important eithwr
>>724758065Yeah, me too.
>>724758521I've only had a few Deltarune related dreams, and most of them were just me dreaming new chapters came out. I remember back in the chapter 1 days I had a few dreams where I was irl friends with Susie and Ralsei. In one of them I was getting Susie to spot me at the gym, and in another she, Ralsei, and I were going on a road trip to somewhere.
>>724758813Anon, we got an entire board stuck in the cutting room floor and two unused songs in the official soundtrack. I'm pretty sure at this point he never truly planned to do much around actual TV segments.
>>724759014Maybe he had planned to, but once the time came around to actually write the specifics of those TV based segments, he realized he doesn't watch TV, and has no idea what he'd base them on.
>>724759146That sort of happened to me before.I realize I hadn't actually watched TV in like 10 years so I really had no frame of reference for what it was likeIt's honestly fucking crazy that seemingly there's less frequent and shorter ads on local TV than youtube without adblock.
>>724755832TRVTH NVKE
>>724755832>implying longplays even existed back thendo zoomers realize that there was an internet where youtube wasn't this huge thing?
Do you guys think the honeymoon phase with each release is getting shorter and shorter? I feel like after just 2 months of Chapter 7 we'll start getting "Deltarune was... disappointing" type shit regardless of whether it's good or not.
I'm tired of pretending that Legend of Tenna was bad. It was my favorite part of the chapter and I wanted it to be longer. 2D Zelda is the best Zelda
>>724759552Gameplay footage of games? It's been around since Toby Fox was 12 years old, I don't see the contradiction
>>724759579You say that like immediately following the release of Chapter 1/Survey_Program mentally ill shitposters weren't already in the the thread crying about it.
>>724759694I don't mean 4chan schizos. I mean general audience.
>>724759424>spoilerI wouldn't know since I don't get antenna reception here and never watch youtube without adblock.
>>724759687the internet was different back then lil zoom.
>>724759748Well then I have no idea who you're talking to because I don't know anyone that actively "dislikes" Deltarune now who's played it and any sort of "honeymoon phase" is over, and even then if you are talking to people outside of /v/ massive fair warning that there's a ton of people that didn't actually play the game but can't stop shoving themselves into conversations about it.
>>724759763It depends on how far out you are from where they broadcast, but if you've got a lot of wireless shit in your house you could try putting the antenna outside, that fixed it for me when I got these dumbass solar panels that have a a wifi thing to talk to an app to tell you they're solaring.
>>724755832>just like the creator is with shmups who instead of playing them, watched Youtube longplaysis there a source for this?
>>724760124I live in the bottom on a valley surrounded on all sides by hills. According to the FCC antenna reception map site, I'd need an outdoor antenna on a 30ft pole to pick up the nearest station.
>>724757973I may be the greatest chapter 1 fag ever, but I won't deny it does a horrible job at setting up the actual conflict of the story.Noelle and her family and pretty much absent, to the point people didn't even discuss Dess in those days. People didn't have a clear idea of how dark worlds worked, many expected the full game to be just more Card Kingdom before chapter 2 came out.Overall, Deltarune does a bizarre mix of taking too long kek to set up basic things while rushing into shit that should be into the late game.We have:>Noelle only being properly introduced at chapter 2>Kris's backstory only being made clear at chapter 3>Basic rules for how dark worlds work only fully laid out by chapter 3>the main conflict only becoming clear by chapter 4>the snowgrave route only starts at chapter 2But also:>Susie had already transformed into an entirely different character in chapter 2>Susie is already getting bored from the adventures by chapter 3, even when she was annoyed for half of chapter 1 and only really enjoyed herself in the cyber world>late game tier bosses in chapters 3 and 4>chapter 4 is already getting into the depressing side of the story>chapter 4 in general did things that should have belonged to chapter 5 at the earliestI have no clue what's in store for chapter 5 to 7, and I don't mean this in the "I can't wait for the surprise!" way. The game has already shown to be willing to sideline the Dark World premise from the first few chapters, and only more and more mystery boxes get introduced with each release.
>>724760514The closest to something like this is I think he said he didn't play moon for a while since he couldn't figure out how to patch the rom with the fan translation.
>>724760640aw damn, I haven't heard of Moon in a while, didn't know that was one of undertale's inspirations
>>724760585That kinda sucks, sorry to hear you can't LOVE TV where you are.
>>724761014I have satellite.
>>724761151Oh ok. I hope it works good or whatever the fuck.
>>724755674Man could you imagine if we got The Legend Of Tenna 2?That'd be really fucking cool
>>724761302Oh I can, I can even play it in my head, but I feel like it might be a little more exciting if someone else made it and I didn't know what was gonna happen.I like the little Mettaton Sprite I'm imagining.
>>724755832https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa2K_8Ff41MHe won.You lost.
>>724755262Tenna who?I only played the game with Mike, the criminal gameshow host.
>>724758521I guess I dreamt of a fangame and Toby Fox himself
>>724760986How could you not know that?
>>724760609Undertale's story is incredibly backloaded, to the point that you have to replay the game multiple times to get the full picture of what's going on (even then, important details are still left open to interpretation).Deltarune puts more focus on its story, but it also has many more moving parts since it's a character-focused drama. We have a much better picture of Deltarune's story than we ever got with Undertale's up to almost the end of that game, but it's also a much bigger picture. And if Undertale is any indication, Toby will give you the pieces of the puzzle but he's not gonna tell you exactly how they all fit together.
Why the fuck is Knock You Down so fucking hard to get a good score on?I got a fucking CFor Can't fucking do it
>>724762614It has some evil charting. In earlier versions, it straight up had a duplicated note where, if you didn't know where it was to double tap it, it'd fuck you over without you even knowing where you fucked up. Think I was stuck trying to get an S on it on launch for like an hour or two. Doesn't help that the game runs at 30 FPS, makes it feel sluggish compared to other rhythm (mini)games.
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>>724763317Me too, I know it was probably the right thing to do, but I feel bad about giving him to Mettaton.
Has there been any evidence of Gaster fuckery since the beginning of Chapter 1? I don't remember if chapter 4 had any of it
>>724763474Did you actually play the game?He cheers you and the Fuck Gang on during the Knight Fight
>>724763474People were calling Gaster before we even knew what Deltarune was. ______ is the one who gave us Chapter 1, as SURVEY_PROGRAM.exeWithin Chapter 1, the most blatant Gaster-isms are the phone playing the ENTRY NUMBER 17 noise in the Dark World, The Man, and Seam telling us how Jevil spoke to a "strange someone" who told him the world was a game and made things seem "darker, yet darker." And of course, if you try to input the name "GASTER" in the intro sequence (named GONER_MAKER in the code by the way) the game will immediately crash/reset.On the "meta stuff we didn't know about until after the game came out" level, the earliest versions of "deltarune.com" from around 2016 are hidden messages written in Wingdings in black text on a black background, titled "him.png". The first message was THIS NEXT EXPERIMENT SEEMS VERY VERY INTERESTING and the second THREE HEROES APPEARED TO BANISH THE ANGELS HEAVENBy the way, did you know that Toby's holding company for the rights of Undertale and Deltarune is Royal Sciences, LLC?
>>724756868Basically turns the whole game into a puzzle which is nice if you grew up with a couple new games a year like most kids so you know it like the palm of your hand.
>>724762450You're forgetting the distinction that Undertale had both a surface-level plot (getting through the monsters, defeating Asgore and escaping the underground) and that deeper plot (the timeline fuckery with Flowey), and neither get in the way of the other too much most of the time.Deltarune is sidelining hard it's surface-level plot (dark world adventures) and it's only half of the game.
>>724755262He's the one[COMING]
>>724764215>the most blatant Gaster-ismsYou forgot the Goner Maker sequence and the game over screen, probably the most overt Gaster apparitions so far including his theme.
>>724755262Pretty good, his chapter needed better moment to moment gameplay in the nes segmentsI think Kris being able to attack in them and there being combat would help it, however the sword route would need more unique things to it if that were the case
I finally got around to playing chapter 4It feels... weaker than chapter 3 on gameplay, but stronger on story
>>7247647204 is my least favorite chapter of the game by far. The church setting and Gerson just didn't click.Jackenstein is one of the funniest bosses in the game though.
>>724764215>Seam telling us how Jevil spoke to a "strange someone" who told him the world was a game and made things seem "darker, yet darker."I think at this point that was clearly the Knight, correct?
No.I haven't even played Undertale before. I don't need to though, since everyone and everywhere talks about the plot so freely and I'm garbage at bullet hells anyway.
>>724764720>>724764846I agree, the prevailing sentiment I saw online was that 3 was the weakest so far but I thought it was fantastic4 was good and leaned heavily into the lord but other than Jackenstein, it didn't have as much of the Toby humor
>>724764896I'd play a Murdoch Murdoch RPG desu.
>>724764929into the lore*
>>724755262Tenna was the worst chapter, this is my sincere opinion. Total slog.
>>724764846I liked Gerson, but literally the only important characters in that chapter were Susie and to a lesser extent Ralsei, his fight also should have been mandatory to at least see to progress through the dark world
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>>724764929I think 3 is highly improved by doing the side content, in general the secret shit in Deltarune does so much heavy lifting it's a decently large flaw Like in ch3, lots of people didn't s rank both boards, which then doesn't show the sword route, which then also made the knight fight feel too punishing for people to put the effort in seeing the whole fight, in addition to that the egg rooms start actually showing some genuinely interesting shit outside of a dude cryptically handing you an egg
>>724764876No. Jevil meeting his "strange someone" and going insane was the pretext for him being locked away, a long time ago. The "strange knight" appeared only recently, and we've been led to believe that The Knight never actually even entered the Card Kingdom, just like they didn't enter the Cyber World. They opened the Dark Fountain and King acted based on his interpretation of what they did, like Queen did (thought The Knight did apparently meddle with the things in the classroom more, intentionally or not).
>>724764846Same here, I just thought the whole thing was dismal and too much like a normal rpg. I did like Gerson though.
>>724765339The piano section was pretty cool even if I couldn't play it for shit
>>724764576I'm not forgetting Undertale's basic plot, it's just pretty simple and straightforward, which is why I'm describing it as backloaded when you get to "Undertale OST 071 - Undertale" and the rest of the game is dropping nuclear lorebombs on you.Deltarune has its Dark World plotlines, the Light World plot, how those intersect and wrap together, the backstory to why all of this is happening, the mystery of what our own character is up to, and the meta-level purpose for why (You) were even called here. It is a drastically more complicated story from the moment you wake up in the wrong body, and we are only halfway through it. The idea that it's withholding too much information from us really does not make any sense to me, you only have any idea of the whole scope because it's been so forthcoming so far. What did you really know about Undertale by the time you left Waterfall?
>>724764576Deltarune has 3 clear layers to it's plotLayer 1: Fun Gang Dark World adventuresLayer 2: The Knight and the SOUL stuff and the ProphecyLayer 3: Gaster and the Goner/Vessel Maker fuckeryToby is starting to peel back the layers yeah but I don't think it's been totally to the detriment of the first layer
>>724764720>>724764846I don't really get how people rank and judge the Chapters individually rather than seeing how they form the bigger pictureEspecially with Chapter 3 and 4, there's so much contrast between them but when you look at the threads connecting them like how Susie and Ralsei's relationship is challenged, Kris's treachery being revealed and explored with the introduction of The Knight and Carol, and how the Fun Gang have their bonds tested and overcome so much only to end up separate and alone in their darkest hour, I just can't see it that way.
>>724766078Well when they're packaged up in their own nice little packages it's not too weird for people to look at them like that.Some people did that with Undertale's various segments.
>>724766078My main problem with chapter 4 is that its turning the bigger picture into something I don't like. Its obvious from how chapter 3 was handled that the good times and wacky adventures are over. Its serious business from now on. With only comic relief here and there to break it up. That's the opposite of what I come to this series for.
>>724766628I suspect Toby will be smart about breaking up the serious chapters with some more lighthearted onesif Chapter 5 is really the festival I don't think it'll be as serious and lore heavy as Chapter 4
>>724766673Its too late in the story to go back now. Chapter 5 is when Rudy is gonna die, Asgore is either going to have his life ruined a second time or is going to also die, and there's going to be a bunch of dreemurr family melodrama over jealousy. And it all has to tie into the roaring in chapter 6 and 7. This is doing what anime do. The serious story arc has started and its going to be nothing but rising action until the end.
>>724766628I think being stuck on Chapter 2 for four years warped people's perception of how Silly of a game Deltarune was. There are gags in Chapter 4 that are wackier than anything that happens in Chapter 1. That silly little boy Lancer gets scared because we were going to kill his dad and then Susie tries to kill him for betraying us, do we remember that?>>724766812Did you also get mad when you beat Mettaton in Undertale and it didn't have any more skeletons doing fart jokes after that?
Like I'm sorry but "UT/DR were always just silly wacky games and now they're getting too Serious :(" is not a position I can accept as good-faith criticism
>>724767035>Did you also get mad when you beat Mettaton in Undertale and it didn't have any more skeletons doing fart jokes after that?The only thing after Mettaton was some exposition and some final bosses. Going from the start of new home to the end of the Asriel fight is a little over an hour. Each chapter of Deltarune is the length of a whole Undertale playthrough. That's 20 hours of srsbsns to Undertale's 1 and half, with only 15 of fun, 4 of which felt obviously phoned in and tacked on.>I think being stuck on Chapter 2 for four years warped people's perception of how Silly of a game Deltarune wasMaybe so, but that doesn't change the fact that I don't want the game Toby is making. I only want the game I thought he was making.>There are gags in Chapter 4 that are wackier than anything that happens in Chapter 1.Its about overall tone. Chapter 1 was a fun adventure in a fantasy world. Chapter 4 is a dreary and exhausting fight for my life in a mostly empty cathedral. It doesn't matter if Jackenstein says something silly when the scenes preceding and following it are an unborn fetus monster chasing us through a dark maze and Ralsei trying to hide the inevitable blood sacrifice of one of the party members from Susie.>That silly little boy Lancer gets scared because we were going to kill his dad and then Susie tries to kill him for betraying us, do we remember that?Yea, and I also remember it lasting all of five minutes.
>>724767245This scene is immediately preceded by Lancer overthrowing his dad and saying "all dads belong in jail now" as his first act as king. Followed by a bunch of silly gags from the various funny fantasy scrimblos.
>>724767245Its possible to have serious elements while maintaining an overall lighthearted tone. I liked the mixture of silly and serious stuff in chapters 1 and 2, I even liked what I got of that in 3. But I do not like 4 changing it to be almost all serious.I want the schizos and the world slowly breaking down around me to be background elements that only show up in the last act, not the halfway mark. I would have no problem with the dark sanctuary if it were chapter 6 instead.
>>724766078Hard to see a bigger picture when the chapters each feel like a different game next to each other.>>724766673>>724766812I don't really get the point with asking "is this going to get old?" and "don't you want fun adventures forever?" when we're not even in the middle of the story.>>724767035The humor in chapter 4 is very clearly presented as a palate cleanser for everything going on there. Meanwhile, chapter 1 is probably the most equilibrated chapter in terms of levity and drama.>Did you also get mad when you beat Mettaton in Undertale and it didn't have any more skeletons doing fart jokes after that?But there are still more skeleton jokes after that. Plus, the Mettaton fight and Alphys revealing the truth are the fucking tail end of the game, not the middle sections.>>724767245Anon, chapter 2 leaning too hard on the insanity and comedy was one of the main reasons I criticized it back in its release (and still criticize it now). UT/DR at its best is has a good balance of silliness and drama, occasionally focusing on one when necessary. UT didn't have Flowey showing up to kill Undyne in the middle of her anime hero speech, neither has the skeletons not shut up for a second in Snowdin, and definitely doesn't has Frisk look into the camera and say "I guess this is all just bullshit" to the player.
>>724767541https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWJJ8nywk-M>um this song's only a minute long, why do you even care?alright man>>724767760Deltarune immediately establishes its tone as significantly more dark, cynical and grounded than Undertale, which is a game that opens with a cute little flower deceiving and attempting to murder you.Like I'm sorry but I don't know how you can say you didn't know what you were signing up for here
>>724767834>I don't really get the point with asking "is this going to get old?" and "don't you want fun adventures forever?" when we're not even in the middle of the story.Those questions are important to ask because they determine where the other half of the story goes. There's no point in asking that later because the story is basically already over.>chapter 2 leaning too hard on the insanity and comedy was one of the main reasons I criticized it back in its release Nta, but I think chapter 2 is the peak of the series. Seeing chapter 4 and what its setting up for the future, I don't think it will ever get better than chapter 2.
>>724767834>I don't really get the point with asking "is this going to get old?" and "don't you want fun adventures forever?" when we're not even in the middle of the story.Yeah why would a story be interrogating its most central theme that motivates both the heroes and the villains?Why can't I just keep having fun forever? Why does this game keep dragging me back to reality? Why does the story have to end?
>>724768057>um this song's only a minute long, why do you even care?No, I'm gonna tell you its the worst song in the game. The scene its attached is immediately preceded and followed by a bunch of silliness. Kris eating moss, the guard being literally invited to visit the garbage can, the birthday party room, Rouxls.>Like I'm sorry but I don't know how you can say you didn't know what you were signing up for hereI was signing up for a whole game like chapter 1 and 2, not just chapter 1 and 2 followed by them getting fucking executed on screen and replaced with an the following 70% of the game being chapter 4.I wanted silliness with dark undertones, until in the final act shit goes off the rails, hopefully in a twin peaks or end of Evangeline direction.What I got was a generic RPG plot with occasional jokes or interesting plot elements.And if you're going to sit here and tell me that chapter 2 and chapter 4 are identical tonally then you're a liar.
>>724768487>And if you're going to sit here and tell me that chapter 2 and chapter 4 are identical tonally then you're a liar.Nobody is saying that but bro the plot has to go somewhere, and we knew from the beginning with the Gaster/survey_program shit that it was going to be dark.The cat's out of the bag that there's tension between Kris and us/soul, there's a lightner making the dark fountains and people in town are in on it. You can't go back to pretending none of that has come to light.
>>724767541>I only want the game I thought he was making.I want to add that there is a high chance Toby was intentionally tricking his players into expecting Deltarune to be a "dark world of the week" story only to rug pull on that.Chapters 1+2 (and the chapter 3 teasers) are very explicit on the patterns they set up:>location with a strong central theming>cartoon villain as the main antagonist of the chapter>crazy guy as the secret super boss holding a shadow crystalThen the new chapters come in and immediately started throwing dirt at that, to the point of there being implied insults to people who wanted to see more of that.>>724768137>>724768295The game barely had time to set up all this. Susie isn't addicted to dark worlds, she had fun in the computer lab but is clearly more interested in hanging out with her friends in the real world over playing pretend as a hero. Kris and Ralsei definitely aren't doing it for fun, and I don't want it to end. In fact, I'd be glad if this fucking thing just finished already instead of dragging dev time to add bullshit no one cares.Plus, I'd like to add why would anyone think this is an interesting thing to ask? We had decades entertainment being just being adventures of the week and nothing more, why did the zeitgeist shift into every other story coming out being about this shit instead? I don't like being tricked into stories that shift premise, Deltarune hasn't been "a game to play after Undertale" like it had promised. I feel like I've been tricked into wasting time into this.
>>724768594>I feel like I've been trickedI'm sorry your autistic pattern recognition and failure to comprehend present subtext and its implication for future events has misled you, anon
>>724768594>Deltarune hasn't been "a game to play after Undertale" like it had promisedHow the fuck isn't it?>I don't like being tricked into stories that shift premiseIf you remember, the premise is Toby had a fever dream like 10 years ago and has wanted to make it into a game ever since, every other premise you probably made up in your head
>>724768696I can't say I wasn't expecting "escapism bad" to be the main take away of the story, I just wasn't expecting it to take over the plot so early. Like, what the fuck is left to do for the next 3 chapters? The Lancer Fan Club is not going to just hang out in the Flower World with everything going to shit.Undertale had the decency to keep the facade mostly intact through four whole sections and only get real after you fought Mettaton, after which there is only the true lab and the final bosses.
>>724768591>the plot has to go somewhereIt didn't have to go here, and it didn't have to do it before even reaching the halfway mark.>and we knew from the beginning with the Gaster/survey_program shit that it was going to be dark.Which I would've been fine with in chapter 6. The problem is that he did it too early, and the only way to go from here is down. >The cat's out of the bag>You can't go backNo shit, that's why I'm mad. Toby's ruined the story by doing all of this too early. I don't care if this was the intent from the start either, I'm mad at him for making me invested in this shit just to pull this.
>>724768696I mean pretty ironically, Deltarune sort of framed having a healthy relationship with fantasy pretty early on.Story telling conventions would suggest this is where it's going especially with the game pretty heavily leaning into what you can take from both positively and negatively interacting with fantasies you share with your friends.
>>724768594I hate when stories shift tone and style like that mid way through. The worst offender I can think of is Bleach. It had a perfect first season, then ruined everything with the soul society shit. Chapter 3's ending and Chapter 4 are the soul society shit of Deltarune.
>>724768881We can agree to disagree thenI think there were too many elephants in the room for Chapter 4 to be yet another wacky zany adventure that doesn't move the overall plot forward.The hometown parts especially of Ch. 4 were pure kino that were well deserved imo
>>724768696>write an intentionally vague and interpretive story with lots of mystery>Encourage players to analyze it and come up with their own answers>players come up with their own interpretations of what those details mean>"Lmao, you're all wrong. It was this actually, and you're a retard for thinking otherwise"Rian Johnson behavior
>>724768857Regardless of what premise Toby intended to have from the start, the actual premise of the game is what's in it. In chapter 1 and 2 the premise was radically different from what it is now.
I like how this thread doesn't suck, we should have threads more like this.Keep it up.And if someone does make a cool Tenna fan game let me know.
>>724768857I'm gonna be blunt: "le meta narrative about the nature of video games" has absolutely never been the reason Undertale got popular with anyone besides video essayist types and journalists.Kids loved Undertale because it was very funny, at moments was very awesome, or very edgy, and the designs and aesthetics are highly memorable, to the point of many memes being born out of it.Regardless of what Toby wanted, the take away of the genocide route for most people back in the day was obsessing over how cool Sans or Chara was, not Flowey's speech.Even now, the main take away for Deltarune has been memes and shipping characters for most of the mainstream fanbase, and theory crafting hasn't died even after the Mikes revealed how much of a pointless effort it is.>the premise is Toby had a fever dream like 10 years agoSaid fever dream is only the ending, and the game that serves as a platform to hold it has already changed a lot since the early days. It wasn't even supposed to be a follow up to Undertale at first. (Don't bring up him saying "DR isn't a sequel to UT" because he meant that in the chronological sense, DR is by all practical means the "next installment in the franchise" in relation to UT)
>>724769068>I think there were too many elephants in the roomWhich ones?
>>724769272pretty much everything to do with Kris and the SOUL, the real meaning of the prophecy, the knight and what the roaring really is
>>724768594>Susie isn't addicted to dark worldsshe wanted to use Castle Town to resurrect a dead guy, man>she had fun in the computer lab but is clearly more interested in hanging out with her friends in the real world over playing pretend as a heroHer friends Ralsei and Lancer literally do not exist in the "real world." She is terrified that her friendship with Kris will disappear without the pretext of the Dark Worlds, she was willing to deny her friendship with Noelle to protect that. She knows that even if things seem good now it can all change in an instant and she'll be abandoned and alone again. It's happened before.Being a hero, seeing her worth written in glass where nobody can erase it, feels like the best thing that ever happened to her. She tells you this directly. If you want to understand where the story is going, try to pay attention when the characters directly tell you what they think and how they feel.
>>724769241I don't think threads about "how the game sucks now" are good, and I'm one of the anons yapping about that. We are just turning into Star Wars fans.The best threads were the ones between the release date announcement and the release, when people actually discussed how much the enjoyed the game instead of arguing about shipping and internet drama or how the game stopped being good.
>>724769471Oh no the shitty waffle about how the game le sucksorz now is dumb, I'm talking about the rest of the thread actually talking about the game instead of acting like this is some shitty youtuber's script about a game they didn't play.And no, I'm not even for a millisecond going to entertain the idea that this thread is at all as bad as the thread earlier today, you're insane if you at all think that.
>>724769096>"Lmao, you're all wrong. It was this actually, and you're a retard for thinking otherwise"Hey anon, can you show me where Toby Fox said this?I mean you're not just getting mad because the story continued to be written and certain possibilities that you imagined were cut off and you're imagining this to somehow be a personal slight against you, right?
>>724769429I paid attention very well when she said>* I mean, the last game was wicked fun, but...>* Get the feeling this'll keep going, until it gets old.And the meta reading of this is absolute bullshit, TV shows used to do adventures of the week for many seasons before the formula gets stale, Deltarune could have gone for longer with this set up and be just fine.
>>724769348Those could very easily be handled in the standard villain of the week format. Just make it an A plot B plot scenario. A plot is the zany adventures, B plot is the Kris and soul stuff. The knight and roaring get built up by dialogue from other characters.Basically just chapter 2 but more extreme. And it would keep getting more extreme until chapter 5 when it comes to a head and everything goes to shit at the end. Then 6 and 7 are where all hell gets loose.
>>724769241Someone should ask the guys that make fan games to make us a cool Tenna fan game. The good fan games like the one with the cowboy. Do they ever make threads?
>>724769607I feel like this second layer of the story is getting unveiled so soon because the third layer, the Gaster fuckery and all that, is what Toby is waiting until later to unveil
>>724769205>In chapter 1 and 2 the premise was radically different from what it is now.Yeah why didn't Chapter 2 address "Dark Worlds are awesome actually I fucking love using fantasy to escape from my real world problems why don't we just keep doing this forever"
ICE NUKE
>>724769570NTA but the Mike fight. It's Toby's own fault making Gabe look punctual.
>>724769570I was calling that anon a faggot for implying that anyone who didn't predict chapter 4 was a retard. My problem with Toby is that he's doing this shit too early. I'm fine with my theories being wrong, I just don't like the entire tone and formula of the game being completely thrown out and replaced this early in the story.
>>724756971Over half the chapter was cut for... time restraints, I think.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jahtb3sf-dUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCf7lEnSBhAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQBQqg-PiLchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y42yzRUW4_cDon't blame me if I post the wrong videos, it's been a while since I've seen them and I might be getting some mixed up, or they might be redundant, IDFK.
>>724769763>the Mike fight.Yeah? Then who's Mike?
>>724769818Mike Nuts
>>724769570NTA but>Hey anon, can you show me where Toby Fox said this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmFPX_TaoBQ>certain possibilities that you imagined were cut offBuddy, take a look at all the fan made concepts for secret bosses people made in the last years. It's very easy to come up with interesting ideas like Jevil and Spamton.And what Toby did? A secret boss with a very annoying and extended path to get to, has a fight with a completely different gameplay style that makes any progression of the normal irrelevant, has an unremarkable personality and is yet another mystery box to the point we are not even sure if ERAM is its name. And it doesn't even fit with the chapter's theming.
>>724769763The most fucking annoying thing about the Mike fight is how discourse shifted into "LMAO you're DUMB for ever thinking it was going to be important" when the Mike foreshadowing in chapter 2 was ominous as fuck, plus the hindsight of Jevil being decently accurate over what he had said about Queen.
>>724769568Yeah, I'm gonna have to say even if this thread has people trying to "out media literacy" each other it's still preferable to the Janny's pet flipping out for like, 200 posts.
>>724769429>she wanted to use Castle Town to resurrect a dead guy, manAnd that's wrong why? Its a fantasy magic world that can bring people back from the dead. Are you telling me you wouldn't bring people back from the dead if you were given the power to do so with no strings attached (ie, its actually them, not zombies or demons wearing their face). She backs down the instant Ralsei tells her it wouldn't work out.>Her friends Ralsei and Lancer literally do not exist in the "real world." They seem just as real as her to me. Ralsei saying he's not real is a chapter 3 detail, it didn't exist in the chapter 2 days. >She is terrified that her friendship with Kris will disappear without the pretext of the Dark WorldsYeah, it probably would, and her friendships with the real thinking feeling people Lancer and Ralsei certainly would.>she was willing to deny her friendship with Noelle to protect thatThat was just as much for Noelle's safety.> seeing her worth written in glass where nobody can erase itAgain, that's a chapter 4 detail. You can't take that as evidence when talking about how people read the subtext in chapter 2.Going off of stuff in chapter 1 and 2, "escapism good, actually" was just as valid of a reading. Despite what that other anon says, I still think it could be read that way, its just got a much stronger slant towards "escapism bad"
>>724769876>Toby makes two secret boss fights and like five minigames with totally unique mechanics and some of the best music in the game to acknowledge the insane schizo shit people came up with during the WAIT>"HOW DARE this FAGGOT DOG SPIT in the FACE of his LOYAL FANS"I don't understand you people. I'm going to bed.
>>724770038I'm gonna be honest.Absent the years of separation between chapter 2 and 3 releasing and taking it as its own thing.The spamton mike thing kind of seems totally appropriate as its own self contained thing in game.
>>724770090Wait don't leave me here
>>724770178>MICHAEL DON'T LEAVE ME HERE
>the Krisselle shipper told me tht she's never had e sex as intense as the e sex she has with me>she's telling me she wants me to impregnate herdid i make it, lads?
>>724769668He shouldn't unveil that at all, or at least not until the very last minute. The one thing that can ruin gaster is a spotlight. He thrives on mystery, explanation will kill his character.
>>724770232Why don't you stay where you thought you were making this post and don't come back.
>>724770296i was in this thread where i made this post, anon
>>724769751They can do escapism in the dark worlds without causing the roaring. And more importantly that's not what I was talking about. Chapter 1 and 2 were fun fantasy adventures in worlds full of zany characters, with dark undertones hidden under all of that, all of that packaged in a villain of the week format.
>>724770232>sheAnon, I have some bad news
>>724770476no anon I have bad news for you
>>724770117Nta, but I really think Mike was meant to be more important, but Toby changed his mind early in the development of chapter 3.
>>724755262No. I'm afraid I'm growing up, video games are not worth the time or emotional investment anymore, they're too childish and silly, and the real world doesn't tolerate holding onto such things
>>724770667Why would you want you want to be anything other than silly? Why would immiserate yourself for the sake of the "real world"? If people want to look down on your for enjoying things then tell them to go fuck themselves and keep enjoying yourself.
>>724770525I would still say he's appropriately important to Chapter 3.What's really bothered me is that basically the only through line through "Can anyone hear me? help" is either the Dess Gumball machine, or fucking Kris? Maybe?Considering spamton makes a pretty heavy point to say they were talking to YOU when he usually talks specifically to Kris by name.
>>724770886What if it's the vessel that was talking to you?
>>724770982Strictly speaking that could mean two things.
>>724771038Which are?
>>724768594>dark world of the weekThis is still what's happening. The plot can thow in all the conspiracies it likes, we're still going "a new dark world appeared, let's go in and spend the chapter getting to the fountain", just with some level gimmicks. We already knew something was going on behind the scenes in ch2, or even ch1. Nothing has changed except we know what now and the mystery is gone.It's not going to go off-script like Portal 1. All the gameplay is in the dark world. Susie doesn't suspect Kris. Ralsei is still Ralsei. Maybe Kris will ditch (you) in the dark world but it'll be over by the end of the chapter.
>>724771086The Vessel as in the product of the Goner Maker sequenceOr Kris, who may or may not be that goner, or part goner.
>>724771113The fun is gone.
>>724771115Kris wouldn't ask us for help. And if he did, he wouldn't need spamton to do it.
>>724771198Anon, you are the only one who can get him out of that situation
>>724770875>Why would you want you want to be anything other than silly?I want to be silly but my desires are incompatible with reality >Why would immiserate yourself for the sake of the "real world"?Because i live there, it is enforced upon me>If people want to look down on your for enjoying things then tell them to go fuck themselves and keep enjoying yourself.Easier said then done, you can't reject society when you're a part of it, i HAVE to play ball and engage with the structures of society, same social and societal structures view these games as childish so i have to pretend to care or know about gas prices and football and other shit i don't understand, can't operate otherwise.If i was a NEET, a rich baron or simply younger i wouldn't be like this
>>724771258Oh my god not this shit again nigger get the fuck out
>>724755832This reads like an AI generated schizo post.
>>724771308>againWhat did i miss?
>>724771386A few weeks ago some retard was letting an AI generate shit about deltarune and eventually it just shat itself and kept looping on off topic bullshit about society and death.
>>724771318And that's bad because? I don't get why you ghouls hate using AI to enhance an already good point.
>>724771490>my natural stupidity looks like artificial intelligence I don't know if i should take that as a compliment or as an insult desu
>>724771258Explain in exact mechanical terms how playing video games impairs your ability to live. Explain the food or shelter it denies you.
>>724771592So you can browser basket weaving forums at 3 am, but playing a video game is going to get you sent to a gulag?
>>724771616>Explain in exact mechanical terms how playing video games impairs your ability to live.It doesn't>Explain the food or shelter it denies you.It doesn't.What I'm saying is that playing games takes time and you need to be invested(so i have to be interested and pay attention to ralsei's 25 inch cock) that time and interest could be spent elsewhere, the time spent on games is detrimental to me because when i go to work i interact with people who are constantly weirded out by undertale 4chan and the like, so tldr the more i play the less i relate to them which makes work and interaction harder, instead of playing games I'm ""supposed"" to go to the gym or read a book or some other shit so that i can relate to my peers
>>724771757You don't need to relate to your peers. If you *want* that's fair, but you don't need to. All you need to do is the work.This is all a moot point though. Your posts are enough to show you're terminally autistic. Nothing you do will ever make them relate to you or you relate to them. It wouldn't matter if you went to the gym and read classical literature every waking moment of your life, because you'd do it in a weird and autistic way that people would never understand. Just accept that your weird, anon. That's just how it is.
>>724771935>All you need to do is the work"You're not fitting in with the team"
>>724769818Mike Hunt
>>724772147There's jobs where nobody expects you to fit in. E.g. in our company the software developers have their own rooms and the doors stay closed when customers come in so the don't see the freak show.
>>724772147>working in HR hellGet a better job. You'll have to do it anyways when they find you creepy for trying and failing to pretend to be one of them.
>>724771757>so tldr the more i play the less i relate to themit's only your problem, manyou don't have to relate to them at all if you don't want tobut to me it sounds like whining from a failed normalfag who wants the cake and eat it too
>>724771757Anon, let me tell you a secret about normies. They only seem normal because they've forced themselves to appear that way. Any regular person you pass by on an average day likely has thoughts and behaviors that would make posting on a Tibetan Yodeling forum seem normal by comparison. Human beings are brilliantly fucked up creatures that have been granted the gift of knowledge. Half of the things you use in your daily life like math or medicine are the direct result of someone being autistic enough to think about these things in a time where "normies" lived in mud huts, had kids at 16 and then died because of poor hygeine. Seriously. Don't make yourself miserable thinking about "normie hobbies". If you get your jollies shitposting on the chan but don't sperg out in public I sincerely don't think it matters.
"muh toby humor is all that matters" fags always reeked of insane spergery to me
>>724772531sperg game, sperg dev, sperg site
>>724764876It's not. It's probably not Gaster either due to how detached he is from the world of Deltarune. Maybe FRIEND, but we don't even have a clear idea of what FRIEND is at this point.
>>724772573there's a difference between regular 'tism and seething spergery and the latter is a lot worse
>>724771935>It wouldn't matter if you went to the gym and read classical literature every waking moment of your life, because you'd do it in a weird and autistic way that people would never understand.Black pill>Just accept that your weird, anon. That's just how it is.I'll try but it sucks and i hate itthanks for the /adv/ice anons, i appreciate it >>724772312>but to me it sounds like whining from a failed normalfag who wants the cake and eat it tooi would NEET it up if i could.
>>724772626You're a sperg too, anon. You're doing it right now.
>>724772632>Black pillIts only a black pill if you make it one. Just learn to stop giving a shit about things you have no control over. It will make you a lot happier.
y'all seen that animation OpenHeart on youtube where the guy realizes he's able to go beyond the limits of what should be possible and the story adapts to it
>>724772632>I'll try but it sucks and i hate itI relate to you but learned a long time ago that I'm just an autistic weirdo and would never be able to fit in with normal people, last half a year working on a construction site cemented thatJust be who you are and don't try to be with people you probably don't even want to be with>i would NEET it up if i couldYou don't have to, there are jobs for autistic spergs as well, look for themTake care, my fellow aspie
>>724773619thanks for telling me about that, anon. I love stuff like this (the other example that comes to mind is that Dr B0sch series where that guy goes out of bounds in New Vegas and descends into a surreal alternate universe hell)
>>724773619It was kind of interesting but I feel like it's a little bit of a fumble to not have Noelle's dark world do the fucked colors thing Susie's does.Kind of seems like a pretty attention to detail issue to miss, but I also recognize the work that's gone into making the rest of it.
>>724774323>I feel like it's a little bit of a fumble to not have Noelle's dark world do the fucked colors thing Susie's does.Holy shit. I was so caught up in everything else I failed to notice. Might be worth nutting up and leaving a comment over.>>724774140Happy to oblige. I'm glad I stuck through it even if I was tempted to bounce after hearing their voice.
>>724774448Like, strictly speaking it's not necessary, but I think pretty uniquely, Noelle should have a unique enough perspective that her dark world would have a fairly direct impact on Kris or the colors.
>>724755262Mantle saved Chapter 3, honestly. Without it, it would be the worst chapter by far.
>>724763474Did you forget the ending part with the epic music and "My Deltarune"?
I'm currently reading the thread, but do people really complain because the game didn't stick to their idea of "escapism is good and fun"?
>>724755262I didn't like him desu, he insisted upon himself
>>724776541Yes. I don't think criticizing a game over its choice in themes or an abrupt change in themes is that strange of a thing to do.
Susie = FriskKris = Chara
I've come to love these threads like a second, far worse, dysfunctional and autistic "family".
>>724777369I have never seen this interpretation, usually the contrary.
>>724777526Now you know how Kris feels.
>>724776541It's funny to me because it largely did.Entire point of Ralsei and Susie is basically that just because he isn't real doesn't mean he isn't valid.
>>724763474if you complete chapter 3 and then go back to fight the knight, he'll be there when you die to give you the option to quick-retry, and if you die to her final attack he gets hyped as fuck (relative to how he usually is anyways)he's also there in chapter 4's credits to drop the MY DELTARUNE line
>>724778390What would be Kris’s second family? The holidays?
>>724778631Susie and Ralsei.
>>724778568I don't think people truly understand the significance of the fact that Gaster is still there and interacting with us even after the goner sequence. But after what you've described, he might be connected/relevant to the main plot proper instead of just being a niche background character he was in UT.
I wish I was Kris. My life is just as shit at him but I don't even get a cute childhood friend doe GF.
>>724778709Gaster was just a Easter Egg and teaser to Deltarune in Undertale, but I do wonder how him actually being from Undertale instead of Deltarune will play in the narrative.
>>724765170I think the Knight did enter the Card Kingdom, but only to talk to Jevil specifically (and probably give him the Shadow Crystal), since it’s Jevil who tells the King about the Knight, and I don’t know how else Jevil would know about the Knight since he was otherwise trapped in prison and couldn’t have seen them open the fountain.
>>724778974Jevil knows the Knight because all schizos are prophecy pilled.
>>724779156thisDealmaker's unique Check on Tenna is proof enough
>>724778974>(and probably give him the Shadow Crystal)I'm not gonna disagree on that, but I don't think the knight gave every schizo their crystal. Chapter 2 seemed to imply that a shadow crystal can manifest naturally within a dark fountain if the right circumstances align (Metatton creating his OC dream body)
>>724776541How the fuck is the game about saving the world related to fucking escapism anyway? Is every fan of this game autistic furfag?
>>724755262Isn't this the guy from pomni's playhouse?
>>724763474Chapter 1:>Guides you through vessel creation, only for someone else to discard it.>Gives you the option to continue on a Game Over or let the world be covered in darkness.Chapter 2:>The game has a regular Game Over screen now, but he returns to tell you that the world was covered in darkness if you decide to give up; no other appearance in the chapter.Chapter 3:>Returning to your save to rematch the Knight gets his attention, and gives you the option to restart the fight form its beginning without sitting through Tenna's death again.>Also remarks on you dying to the Knight's final attack, or if you're missing the Shadow Mantle.Chapter 4:>Commends you for attaining the halfway mark of his Deltarune.>Snoy exclusive: expresses greater interest in what you are if you complete the game without achieving any trophies.
>>724781371>How the fuck is the game about saving the world related to fucking escapism anyway?All of the Dark Worlds seen so far are based on things people use for escapism.>Card Kingdom: card games and board games>Cyber World: the internet>TV World: TV, movies and video games>Dark Sanctuaries: religion (*tips fedora*)
>>724783384What about the Flower Shop and the Shelter?
>>724769763jesus christ, are people still butthurt over this
>>724755262Yeah. He such a funny guythe rape scene kinda caught me off guard though
>>724783565>What about the Flower ShopWeed. How else do you think Asgore keeps the light on?>the ShelterThe old tried and true method of just pretending your problems don't exist. Building a shelter in your mind, so to speak.
DRIVING IN MY CAAAARRIGHT AFTER A BEEEER
>>724770667If you're not already rich, hot and popular your best bet at enjoying life is being a retard while maintaining the ability to buy nice things and retire
>>724772215No matches anywhereWhere is this image from? Genned?
>>724764215>______ is the one who gave us Chapter 1you mean friend?
Remember Toby wants you to put your finger in Kanya's asshole.
>Deltarune's 7th anniversary unacknowledgedGuess we're holding out for the Christmas newsletter?
>>724776541It seems more like "Deltarune should be a Saturday Morning Cartoon because that's what I wanted in my head"
>This is the fucked up bad ending according to Toby Fox
>>724756971Back in the day people played video games on the same television where they watched live TV broadcasts and recorded programs/tapes/DVDs.
>>724783565Asgore's flowers are his hobby. He uses them to bring joy to other people and himself, he even believes he can use them to win Toriel back. His flowers are his confidants and his supporters.>* Can I ask? What kind of flowers, do you think,>* Would make her remember how she felt before?>* uhh...>* maybe you should talk to your plants about that.>* Haha! Don't worry. They're the first ones I asked!>* They're such good listeners, you know. Flowers.This is an idea that Toby has carried over from Undertale, with the Echo Flowers, and Flowey's relationship with Papyrus>* well, papyrus told me something interesting the other day.>* sometimes, when no one else is around...>* a flower appears and whispers things to him.>* flattery...>* advice...>* encouragement...>* ... predictions.
>>724781371This fanbase is autistic in general. Even though this series has only two games, we already got autistic tribalism, to the point people get mad if you post Undertale in Deltarune threads, or people who think Deltarune will never reach the heights of Undertale because it wasn't like their AU.
>>724790008>Half human abominations polluting bloodlines. Disgusting.
>>724783565the shelter is basically a prison and falls in line with what >>724784058 said. just lock it up, throw away the key, and try to forget.
>>724756971>previous chapters presented a theme and stuck to itMost of the "Card Kingdom" has you running through a forest lol
>>724790574>Kris do you know what "shota" is
>>724791576>Asriel first began to fear for Kris safety when she noticed what kind of anime Dess had been watching.
>>724790801Right. I think the whole message is that escapism is fine from time to time, and there's nothing wrong with running away from your problems for a little bit, but sooner or later you do have to stop running away and confront the issues that weigh you down. So it's not a pro-escapism or anti-escapism message, it's just a pro-balance message.
>>724791565With trees made of Lego blocks.
>>724790574The artist is Thenewpassion
>>724772607This faggot better get some real in-game exposure fast, instead of unexplained appearances in cutscenes and secret bossfights.If he's going to be the literal hand pulling the strings without more buildup, I'm gonna be mad.And no, data mining and sweepstakes don't count.
>>724755262I want to fuck Tenna
>>724791826If you are the author of this image:The blue blocks are these guys and the other Rouxls Kaard's blocks.
>>724791673It's the same message as Undertale.>It's good to use escapism to connect with people.>But if you let it consume you and you can't let go it becomes unhealthy.
>>724791673I don't think there's any message at all. The game makes it clear this is not a story to be experienced and morals to be drawn from, you (player) are someone who intrudes in the lives of the game characters and treats it as a game world with a "story" when for these characters there is no story, just their lives.
2>4>3>1I wasn't impressed with 1 at all
Did anybody else here check out the Bound to the Dark World ROM hack? It's a remake of Chapter 1 in EarthBound's engine. I played it and thought it was ok but extremely buggy and the battles kind of suck
>>724790259>or people who think Deltarune will never reach the heights of Undertale because it wasn't like their AU.It needs way more sexy versions of Sans for that.
>>724794109>I don't think there's any message at all.That's not how this works
>>724794128Chapter 1's impact is dictated by circumstances.Objectively it's kinda weak, Susie's character arc is somewhat rushed, finding Jevil doesn't hold a candle to Spamton and the Sword Route and it's missing some QoL features from the later Chapters.But I look back on it fondly because of the build up to release and how unexpected it was and how it's still a pretty sizable upgrade over Undertale in terms of presentation.
>>724756925>3 Sranks on first tries>Feelsgoodmani get big star for being real gud! without even trying! i just real gud at things!
>>724770090An insult is an insult no matter how hard you go with the fireworks.
>>724794526Deltarune created the ugly bastard motherfucker AU Sans, is that enough?
>>7247941281 feels like the demo it is.The soundtrack is one if not the best, with the songs setting the mood well,with the melancholy autumn feel it invokes with the scenery of the forest and the field.>>724794706>sizable upgrade over Undertale in terms of presentationI don't really know what you mean by this, but one problem chapter 1 shares with undertale,is that the game world feels like one big corridor.Admittedly the next chapters are also mostly linear, but they don't feel that way.
>>724795058It's not an insult but I'm glad it's crawling up your ass anyway because you fags deserve it
>>724794706Susie's character arc honestly works better in hindsight just because it's become more and more obvious that 1: Susie was never that bad of a person. 2: Kris never took her bullying all that seriously.
>>724795137I still prefer Sans over the people that actually fucked my mom after her divorce so I'm not complaining.
A friend literally just gifted it to me 5m ago. What am I in for? For context played some UT in like 2017 and that's it
>>724795468Fun little rpg with great music, ignore everything in this thread and just play
>>724795468Go play it now and find out
>>724795468a fun time :)
>>724795884>Chara>Supporting any human nation
>>724795468>What am I in for?sever mental illness (very good)
>>724795468Good music, tumblr humor (like undertale, but I find deltarune funnier), tacked on RPG mechanics fun but wide and shallow bullet hell gameplay.You may care about the story if you like meta bullshit and CLUES or if you are a gay teenager, spiritually or actually.The gameplay relies on variety and "gimmicks" and is by no means bad,but if you don't like everything else, you'll probably don't like the game.
>>724795468>What am I in forToby tricking you into getting invested into what is a glorified young adult novel.
>>724794070>replaying a game you like is unhealthyReally?
>>724795468doerot
>>724783909Sauce NOW
>>724796486Kind of, yeah. At the very least, it's not something Chara can understand.
>>724755832yeah man I loved watching SM64 longplays on quicktime that shit was dopeI'd AIM my friends and it'd be like an ARG of figuring out what's actually happening inbetween dropped seconds (not frames, SECONDS)
>>724796635Yeah, you're a faggot
Let's talk about Christianity existing in Deltarune>Monster Kid's cross>Christmas obviously exists>Alvin saying there's no sin or confession in OUR religionWhat are the implications of this?
>>724796635How can someone who creates a game making a point like this can be the same person who writes multiple paragraphs about how amazing vtubers are?
>>724795884Where would Frisk place in this? They're canonically an ambassador.
>>724755262tenna will definitely make up with spamton
>>724797075Not much. It's weird because Angel religion seems to be the christian equivalent. I can come up with a lot of cool world building reasons for why. But most of those are 100% headcanon and really have no bearing on anything. Still, to put it simply, I think the Angel prophecy is mostly just a local weird religion only worshiped by monsters.
>>724796635Not just Chara. Flowey has an entire speech that advises you against resetting after true pacifist. Toby clearly doesn't like you doing the same route for no reason.
Does anyone have that one picture of Dess and Gaster drinking tea or whatever in the dark world that looks straight out of an old children's picture book?
>>724797075>>724797363The Prophecy is a fake satanist religion created by Gaster to try to overthrow God somehow.
>>724797243I don't know. Don't really like Vtubers.Overall, I think it's mostly about just doing things for the sake of it. Clearly the game does encourage replays, it just also encourages you to let go and move on with your life.
>>724797376To be fair, in universe it does make sense that most of the cast would be bothered by you replaying the game.
>create billion patterns like discarded things for schizo bosses, main bosses etc>toby says fuck patterns in ch3 and ch4oh well>back to trying to figure out who gaster is using patternsare people perhaps stupid?
>>724796635>>724797376>Toby clearly doesn't like you doing the same route for no reason.The game is not scolding you for playing it, this is the ultimate midwit takeAll Undertale ever does is ask you WHY you're doing it
>>724797607Speculation based on two (2) data points is not a pattern
>>724797623Pretty much.I'll say this much, I do think the game has a bone to pick with completionism.
>>724797623I didn't say it scolded you, just that the game does guilt trip you to not reset and ask you to not do genocide twice. It's clear Toby isn't a fan, otherwise he wouldn't have said anything about it.
>>724797623>The game is not scolding you for playing
>>724797771>* And right off the heels of defeating that clown... Incredible.>* Ah, yes, that's right. It didn't occur to me until just now, but...>* You three defeated that clown last time, didn't you?>* If you can defeat more strong adversaries, you may find more Shadow Crystals.>* Try your best! It may be tough, but I'm sure it will be worth it!The game was very overtly trying to set up patterns. 2 out of 7 points is nearly a third of all data points, and the point of a demo is to showcase how the full thing will be like.
>>724797964>He thinks he's above consequencesI mean, you are. But it requires effort.
>>724755832Aww sweet, a schizo rant!
>>724755832>This is why the bullet-patterns are downright awful or overly simple,? Compared to most smucks the bullet hell patterns are really fun and creative. It reminds me of ZUN at his best.
>>724798245The main take away from what I argue here is:Toby is clearly a talented genre writer, specially for comedy and horror. Had he ended up as the writer for a TV show or something like that, I'm sure he could come up with successful shows that last many seasons.Instead, he baits people with his genre writing to get into his "literary" work with a message about the nature of fiction/entertainment that not even himself is capable of actually following.
Toby is a good example of how you have to retard-proof games in the modern day so that ESLs don't throw eternal shitfits over things they deliberately misunderstand>All of the complaints that immediately vanished now that Deltarune lets you beat the shit out of all enemies with no direct "punishment"
Will the weird route end up impacting the regular save too? At least if you continued it in chapter 4I feels like there must be a reason how the game gives you a lot of easy way to abandon it
>>724798617Toby is a composer first and foremost. That's crucial to understanding anything he does. He approaches gaming in a very different manner not just from game developers. But also people that write literature or theater for a living. >Instead, he baits people with his genre writing to get into his "literary" work with a message about the nature of fiction/entertainment that not even himself is capable of actually following.What is the bait? He largely gives people what he wants, he just likes to actually get into the implications of video games.
>>724797805>the game does guilt trip you to not reset and ask you to not do genocide twice"The game" does not do that. Flowey appeals to you not to take away everyone's happy ending and undo everything you've worked for because he has your exact experience and knows that once you sever your attachment to the world and its people like this there's no going back. Chara doesn't care about the game at all, which is why they're confused that you would do something as pointless as having the exact same experience killing everybody again.>It's clear Toby isn't a fan, otherwise he wouldn't have said anything about it.Toby didn't say anything about it. Flowey and Chara did.Does Toby Fox promote murder and abuse? He put that in his game, didn't he?>>724797964>I deliberately went out of my way to get the worst outcome for everyone, and I got exactly that. Why does Toby Fox hate me for playing his game?Have you guys never played another game with a "bad ending?" I'm trying to understand where this persecution complex is coming from.
>>724798771Probably. Though, I feel it wouldn't matter since like Undertale people will hack the game to fix it.
>>724798243You may notice that Seam says "strong adversaries" here and not the other qualifications that you made up in your head
>>724798746what punishment was there before?
>>724798808>Have you guys never played another game with a "bad ending?"Elden Ring gave me a reward for burning down the entire world.
>>724798808>Toby didn't say anything about it. Flowey and Chara did.That's fair. I guess I could've worded my point better. The point is that Toby wants us to think twice about replaying the game. Undertale isn't something like an arcade where it directly rewards you for replaying it. Toby wants you to think twice on who you would replay it by having characters tell you not to.
>>724798976Explain to me what makes this a "scolding" and The Lord of Frenzied Flame ending a "reward"
>>724799010>who you*why you
>>724790008>HMOAF The ONLY based choice.
>>724798952DA FLOWER MADE FUN OF MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>724798808For the millionth time, the genocide ending is completely different from normal bad endings.A standard bad ending is completely self contained. It's the characters doing it, no (You) bullshit. You see the credits, then reload the game and everything goes as usual because it's just a story.Undertale goes out of its way to break the fourth wall and say (You)'re the one who ruined the lives of these characters, and attempts as much as possible to not let you forget that.Can't you realize how unusual (and obnoxious) this is?
>>724799258Bro 4th wall breaking is Undertale's entire thing and you're shocked when the completely optional bad ending is really really bad?You honestly might just not like these types of games
>>724798941Yeah, of course a character isn't going to spell out how the game plays like a steam page or a cover blurb, but the implication there is very clear.
some of you guys just need to be more honest and say that you hate meta elements in stories despite forcing yourself to play them anyway
>>724798976>>724799085More directly: Melina and other characters repeatedly and strongly warn you against pursuing the Frenzied Flame, and you are "punished" for accepting it by her leaving you and various other changes to the world and your character. It is clearly presented as the "evil" and "wrong" choice.Does Miyazaki not want you to play his game?
>>724799374I think it's just one autist who can't seem to handle Toby's game design.Not sure why you would keep playing his games just to get upset at them
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>>724799108The actual based choice is (you) X Kris. That fucking brat deserves nothing.
>>724799440>Not sure why you would keep playing his games just to get upset at them4chan is genuinely the only place where I've seen people bash their heads against a wall while purposefully consuming media that they squarely don't like in the slightest, and they can't give any rational explanation as to why they keep doing itRelatively functional people will just put down a piece of media and move on when they realize they don't like it that much, but it's only here where people act like they were locked in a bunker and said media was the only thing they could interact with for a year
>>724799374To be fair Undertale got popular because of the characters and music, not just the meta element. I feel like the fans that enjoy the meta part the most are a minority in the fandom. I don't mind it myself, though.
>>724799625The meta elements definitely were part of what made it popular, even if music was a big selling pointIf Toby didn't get so creative with the meta stuff I doubt it would be remembered as fondly as it is
>>724799351The deja-vu in the Undertale demo was nothing but a fun gimmick to most people, and guess what? It barely shows up in the full game. Some people from the demo times have stated they were disappointed by the lack of it in the full game.The fact is that Undertale works perfectly fine as a normal story. Except for Flowey's presence, it really is just a story about a kid escaping a cave full of monsters, and that's what most people enjoyed about it. Do the many AU's out there discuss the meta-whatever about fiction or do they just have fun using the characters like action figures?And yet again, you don't understand it. It's not that the genocide ending is really bad, is that it tries to be more than just a story for you to enjoy.
>>724799625The most popular element early on was Sans and there is a reason why "Human, I remember your genocide" was a meme.
>>724799467>the reward is data tracking for corporationscrazy
It be cooler if DT ended up impacting UT with save connectionsbut no game would ask you to buy another game to access important content
>>724799258>the genocide ending is completely different from normal bad endings.No, it really isn't.>Undertale goes out of its way to break the fourth wall and say (You)'re the one who ruined the lives of these charactersShow me where it says that. Frisk is the main character, not me. Chara takes Frisk's SOUL, not mine.>and attempts as much as possible to not let you forget that.Undertale is not the first or only game where your decisions have consequences that persist between playthroughs.To cut through your bullshit again, you are mad that the game made eye contact with you and made you feel responsible for the choices you made. You know that it's just a video game and you know that Toby Fox knows it's just a video game, but you feel persecuted by him anyway, because the characters in his video game made the observation that you think you're above consequences.
>>724799694Most of the popular Undertale fanmedia is just the characters being goofy or badass. The main meta elements that made the game famous was stuff like SAVING being part of the story, not the player being part of the narrative. That's mostly the reason earlier fan content just had Chara being evil, unlike nowadays where it's more about the player. Again, I don't mind these games being meta at all, but I feel like the meta elements are more responsible for the controversial discussions than its popularity.
>>724799712The genocide route is a total abandon of the main story anyway, I don't know why it upsets you that it isn't just an alternative ending but something more
What if the only meta elements in a story are just my undying hatred for the fandom?
>>724799923Chara was evil because Sans needed a Joker to his Batman
>>724799467>Getting an achievement makes whatever you do to complete the achievement a good and necessary rewardNow this is something that Toby actually does hate
>>724797607Gerson still stuck to the pattern somewhat, it's Chapter 3 that threw everything out the window. Honestly, I'm still not entirely convinced that Mike wasn't intended to be the schizoboss at some point, or at least an actual character.
>>724799798Yeah, exactly. The genocide route was mostly popular because people liked the badass Sans fighting against the evil human, not the meta elements per say.
>>724799440Reminder that virtually everyone who whines about this is a secondary that didn't actually play the game and this is a thread about Deltarune
Flowey's New Home speech in Genocide is so obviously written with the idea that you had done functionally everything else that was physically possible in the game before slaughtering everyone just to see what would happen that I feel like Toby fucked up by making Genocide so easy to start to begin with, which has been fixed via Deltarune's Weird Route being a lot more esoteric to accomplish
>>724758521As a matter of fact, i did, in the dream i was being chased by a faceless star creature in the game while a tense song played.
Oh and also charafag get the fuck out.
>>724800064The meta elements were part of his character and they were generally well liked.>>724800115Toby fucked up with both True Pacfist and Genocide being so easy to do. Though, at least genocide is pretty unlikely for the player to stumble across if it wasn't for the internet spoiling everything.
Fanon Sans basically absorbed all the meta shit about remembering resets anyway
>>724799607>4chan is genuinely the only place where I've seen people bash their heads against a wall while consuming media that they don't like>it's only here where people act like they were locked in a bunker and said media was the only thing they could interact with for a yearBasically, Toby has always been right and always knew exactly the kind of people who would plays his game
Regardless of regular or weird route (I don't believe in the sword route), DT will get a bad end to explain why Sans switched worldsit will only be bad or worse, no good endings
>The schizo woke upPeople can't even discuss the game without him having a melty.
>>724755262I should really make a compilation pic of all the tv/ camera as a head zoomercore characters. What is the obsession with these?
>>724800203True pacifist is the real ending that he wanted most players to see so it makes sense that it would be easy
>>724800203>The meta elements were part of his character and they were generally well liked.The meta elements people liked about Sans involved SAVE and LOAD, which was basically just time travel. Not really any part of the game.
>>724799907>>724799940Other games having done that doesn't make it the norm.I get mad because this shit puts itself in the way of the things I actually like about the game.Undertale Yellow's genocide ending is more or less what I wish Undertale had done instead, as an example.
>>724799712>Undertale works perfectly fine as a normal story, Except for [the most important character in the story]This meta stuff just came out of nowhere bro, I remember when UTDR was just silly cozy funpilled quirkymaxxing, why did Toby have to ruin it with serious meta stuff :(
>>724800242>DT will get a bad end to explain why Sans switched worldsI think this is one of the things that is just going to remain an easter egg and never get fully explained
>>724800013Yeah, and people didn't really see it as (you) tormenting him like we do nowadays.
>>724800476I would add Chara and Frisk being able to save and load as well.
>>724800497im imagining you walking kris through hometown in chapter 6 and theres just 2 huge scorched grass marks where the house and store used to be
>>724800432Yeah, but I feel it takes away from the fact that most players probably got it during the first run when it really feels the story works better if it takes at least two runs.
>>724800251Yes it does suck that people can't talk about the game without you filling the thread with shit about a fanfic interpretation of an entirely different game.Like you do.EVERY, FUCKING, TIME.Just make a thread about Undertale if you want to do this shit you retard.
>>724800486NTA but back in the day most people did just ignore the metashit of the game. I feel like Undertale would be as popular if SAVE and LOAD was just generic time travel.
>>724800486Being fair flowey literally shows up two maybe three times unless youre playing genocide>once to trick you in the beginning>once to become omega flowey>once to become asrielAnd he gets set up by sans.So like, yeah hes important but he literally barely is in the fucking game.
>>724800714>NTA but back in the day most people did just ignore the metashit of the gameDid they? If nothing else I remember it being very popular with lets players and often praised by critics.
>>724800664I agree it should have taken a complete second playthrough to get, there are a lot of dialogue changes that people miss if they just reload the save right before true lab
>>724800702I am not the guy that started this discussion, you fucking schizo. People will naturally talk about Toby's previous game in a thread about his newest game. Every single thread in this board has people talk about games of an entire franchise, and not just the OP image game. Stop being an autistic fuck.
>>724800486What exactly are the conditions for Flowey to say this?I have only seen the ones he mocks you for being pacifist or for having killed a few enemies and the genocide one.And it's cute to pick all these one off lines when the average player was laser focused into skeleton bullshit and similar aspects, which is what the majority of the text is anyway.>>724800215>>724800203Yet again, the "saving" shit is just a cool gimmick to most fans, not something to make you ponder about the nature of fiction. Even Sans just calls it time travelling.
niggas will slander the meta elements but jerk off the Weird Route which is just one giant ball of meta
>>724800479>Undertale Yellow's genocide ending is more or less what I wish Undertale had done instead, as an example.Undertale Yellow Genocide ending works because the normal happy ending is kind of shit. Genocide ending in my fangame meanwhile is mostly just a combination of me getting to live out my sickest fantasies and also wanting to be called out for that.
>>724800860There's a reason why 99% of the Weird route discussion is Doe rape.
>>724758521I once had a lucid dream about Ralsei but woke up before I could do anything lewd
>>724800835Don't act stupid you retard.
>>724800771Yes, people did. The meta stuff people talked the most was the game remembering what you did, which was basically treated as time travel.
>>724801017I mean, the Chara twist was also pretty big as a thing. It's mostly just took a while for people to stop making Chara one dimensionally evil.Then again, Dreemurr Reborn was like, what, a year after Undertale came out?
Remember last thread where people said that if no humans were posted the schizo would stop? Well, people can't even talk about Undertale without triggering him. That one anon was right the complainerfag would just move to a different topic.
>>724800860Anons jerk off the weird route because it is a love letter to oldschool video game rumors and creepypasta, and also the audacity of letting you terrorize a character in what's presented as a completely innocent game at first.Meta shit is not what anons like about it, and they will be mad once "you're evil for trying to romance the lesbian doe" is the inevitable take away of the route.
>>724800860Thats because Toby hasn't introduced a Chara talking about RPG mechanical directly to the player and it feels more discovering something you weren't meant to see.
>>724800860Weird Route discussions are all about Kriselle, not the meta plot.
>>724801159>is the inevitable take away of the route.Nah. At best it will be "Game romances in general are shit". Which, they are.
Anyone got the link to this story?
>>724801137People took Chara just as the evil version of the protagonist, not as a meta element. There's a reason most of Undertale popular videos are Sans vs Chara animations.
>>724801139You know what else I remember?You same fagging in that thread, and other people identifying who YOU are because you can't help but accuse people of doing the shit you're doing.Right now.
>>724801423If somehow people stop talking about Undertale forever in a Deltarune thread, what is the next thing you will complain about? Shipping? Lusting over characters?
>>724795468play Undertale again so everything's fresh in your memory then start Deltarune
>>724801390>People took Chara just as the evil version of the protagonist, not as a meta element.Sort off? Generally it was understood the twist was very meta but the actual implications of it weren't really understood until the Chara narrator theory starter picking up steam
>>724801347>That sounds like the most accurate depiction of their dynamic I've ever heardSusie fixing Kris life? God, they really are basically husband and wife already.
>>724801347https://archiveofourown DOT org/works/66892978 found it
>>724801543>Erm anon, if I stop being a retard and stop treating every [Toby Fox Game] thread as a general and filling it with spam you'll TOTALLY still get mad about other shit.No, people were really clear with you, they don't give a shit about all these made up reasons you have for why what you're doing isn't obnoxious and you're a victim.The issue is you're a friend with the jannies and fill the thread with shit by same fagging and have two phones, or just the one you changed the font on to spam the shit out of the thread.You posted that.Nobody made you post that.But you did.Literally all you have to do is stop being an obnoxious faggot.
>>724801651Yes, extreme early fandom Chara was just evil Frisk and Asriel’s former best friend. Narrachara was the start of the shift from the old fanon to the current one.
Is there a difference between "meta" and "medium"? Like how the SOUL teleports to the dialogue box in the Chapter 4 Weird Route, this sort of thing fascinates me because I wanna try to translate ideas to improve my comic projects
>>724801828Okay, I will take that as a no. You're the only one spamming shit here btw.
>>724800840>>724800714>the "saving" shit is just a cool gimmick to most fans, not something to make you ponder about the nature of fiction. Even Sans just calls it time travelling.>back in the day most people did just ignore the metashit of the gameWhat the fuck is this "Undertale wasn't THAT meta" narrative? Why the fuck are you lying?
The fact the mindbroken sissy samefags, but then falseflags others for samefagging. Holy sad.
>>724802180Yeah, you're incapable of reading the text as much as the fans you acuse of doing that.I said "most people who liked Undertale didn't care for the meta narrative", not "Undertale wasn't that meta".If you take UT and stripe out the surface level elements, you get something like Heartbound, and people don't like HB at all.
>>724802437>most people who liked Undertale didn't care for the meta narrative>Source: My Ass
>>724802291Is that an Undertale character?!?! In a DELTARUNE thread?! SAVE ME GASTERMAN!!!!
>>724802573Yeah, I'm sure the kids drawing edgy Sans fanart were discussing the meta narrative.
>>724802180Undertale WAS meta, but the meta wasn't the main cause of its popularity.>>724802573NTA but videos like Stronger than You with millions of views are proof of Undertale's popularity with no meta stuff.
>>724802437>I said "most people who liked Undertale didn't care for the meta narrative"Yeah and that's a fucking lie. You're doing revisionism about a 10 year old video game. What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>724802830>NTA but videos like Stronger than You with millions of views are proof of Undertale's popularity with no meta stuff.Aren't all crossovers inherently meta?
>>724802927Stronger than You isn't a crossover, just a parody song. It's strictly only in Undertale. And I wouldn't say crossovers are meta, either.
>>724802736And those people are the majority of UT players?>>724802830How does that imply that "most" people didn't care for the meta narrative?
>Stronger than YouIt's funny, I feel like Steven Universe just one day vanished with no real lasting legacy
>>724803201people will look back to nu10s with the same disdain they looked at 90ies
>>724802736Wow people liked the meta guy so much that they made a million AUs about him and meta-AUs where different versions of him go to different AUs and save the metaverse? Nothing meta about that at all>b-b-but it's not m-m-meta it's t-t-time travel!!Kill yourself.>>724802830You are a zoomer talking about events from 10 years ago that you were not a part of. Your only context for this is Youtube videos about the Undertale fandom made years after its peak with no context of how it spread like wildfire through Youtube and completely redefined the perception of indie games and "meta" games. Shut the fuck up.
>>724803193Because those videos have tens of millions of views. There's also all the fan content that had no meta in it with millions of views, the fanfics, etc.
>>724802671I posted The Knight, don't worry.
The Sans fight is surrounded with meta contex, this guy's a retard
>>724803201Good.
>>724803305But that doesn't imply at all that those people dislike the meta elements, just that a lot of people like Toby's characters
>>724801347>>724801790>ditches noelle halfway through date to hang out with kris holy shit lmao
So just avoid posting around 1-4 o'clock since that's when the Janny's pet shows up then?
>>724803302You calling out the infant makes me grateful to have experienced Undertale as a fresh and recent release.
>>724803201The legacy of SU is that I still want to fuck Pearl and Peridot and Lapis.
>>724803201Steven Universe has a very weird legacy. It's generally well regarded but I feel it's influence afterwards is mostly limited to stuff like Amphibia and Owl House. >>724803274>people will look back to nu10s with the same disdain they looked at 90iesThat would require something better to replace it. Video games are still trash. Cartoons have basically died out altogether outside of anime. Movies are in a mixed place but honestly it's hard to say if it's better or worse.Also Books are taken over by Tik Tok romantasy novels but I might exploit that to my own benefit so I can't judge it yet.
>>724803862Seems like it.Although on my end they seemed to have started trying to push the "conversation" into their bullshit around 11
>>724803862who?
>>724803964
>>724803964I will die shipping Lapis and Steven.
>>724803964>PeridotVERY based
>>724803862>>724804101Least-obvious samefag. Not even trying at this point. What have these halls devolved into?
>>724804595>Nooooo you have to be samefagging because I am nooooo! Literally everyone else is the problem!!!
>>724804717I have literally never talked to you before this thread, your delusions are irrelevant to me
Anyway, I do like the way that Deltarune's meta-level stuff is structured more. Namely that there IS a "meta-level," that You are unambiguously something separate from Kris, and that You and ______ exist on a different level where you're clearly beyond anything happening in the game itself.Undertale's story is excellent but it could definitely be too heavy-handed and clunky with the way it mixed things.
Ignoring the arguing autists... Talk about the soon-to-be canon Krusie.
>>724803302>You are a zoomer talking about events from 10 years ago that you were not a part of.No, I was there. The meta part that was praised was mainly the game remembering your choices. I have no idea why you are even defending the fandom itself. The most popular fan contents were AUshit. It doesn't mean much. The fandom IS stupid.
>>724798771>Will the weird route end up impacting the regular save too?I doubt it, there's only one ending after all.
>>724802437>0 int postShut up aqua
>>724805184How serious do you think Susie is going to relax when she realizes Kris has been lying to her?Total mental breakdown?
>>724803542I never said people disliked meta elements. You're confusing me with another guy. All I said the reason Undertale got popular was for characters and music, and not mainly the metastuff. It wasn't the MAIN reason.>>724804180There's one schizo who thinks there's a janny samefag in these threads and now he's sperging out over Undertale being discussed by several anons. I guess he shifted focus because nobody is posting Chara which was his previous obsession.
>>724805293upset, then create a cope about how kris was doing it for a good reason/ was forced tothen she finds out how bad things really are
>>724805293She seems the type to take it in stride and stick to whatever path her beliefs land her in
>>724805184I am pushing (you)elle
>>724755832so?literally so what? Everyone knows this already, except for people who like deltarune as their favorite game. The irony is you can't explain to them why they're retarded because they could understand, then they wouldn't be retarded. Therefore I ask again, so? Why bring it up?
>>724798771Impacting? Yes Ruining it? NoAt most the game will reference that you went 'too far' and saw the results of that road.I feel like the game is designed around a way where you're supposed to replay it 3 times.>Normal route where shit hits the fan>Snowgrave route where you break everything and get what you wanted, but at the cost of everything else>Middle road option gerson is alluding tooWouldn't be shocked if the eggs were needed for the last one, since it feels like something you would organically discover over a few playthroughs and then actively seek out after chapter 3's instructions and hints.
>>724805383a janny samefag? sounds like cope
>>724758639>I'm waiting for it to be complete.See you in 10 years mate
>>724771496That anon saying that the post looks like AI is a sign of something even worse. Its obviously not AI, its just a guy writing his thoughts, but the fact that he used complete sentences and had them connect and build off each other while explaining a point makes it look like AI to the average /v/ poster here. To them, AI is a eloquent and intelligent, so they can't distinguish between AI posts and regular effortposts. It's beyond over.
>>724805676This guy has been going at it for at least a month on this bullshit, and he always must make it clear and shit the thread wherever someone posts something he doesn't like.
>>724758639>>724805712>He thinks there will be a complete game
>>724805607What would the eggs even do that could change the ending? Like, I still think true ending is PROBABLY getting the Twisted Sword.
>>724805804>Its obviously not AI, its just a guy writing his thoughtsIt reeks of someone trying to become le ebin screencap bait with a standing ovation
>>724790008Nah only it’s only bad when (YOU) force it, Kriselle WILL become canon in the normal route. Crust the pan
This ship? HUMILIATES Suselle.
chapter 4 was the worst jrpg experience I've ever had.How do you expect your player to keep playing when you have effectively disconnected them from the game and anything in it? There is literally no in-universe incentive to bother with a game that does not value my character.
>>724805807sounds like he's mindroken then
>>724806284He is but sadly that doesn't stop him from shitting every thread.
>>724806126Kriselle is bad because Noelle belongs with Susie.Source: My uncle works at Toby.
>>724776541I complain because the story that was presented, you know, the Legend of Delta Rune, three heroes fighting the Darkners and Sealing the Dark Fountains and destroying the false knight creating them(what was promised in chapter 1) was taken away.I want the Legend of Delta Rune. No theorybaiting, no memes, no homosexuality.
>>724802840>>724803302I was there just a few months after it released and in the ideal age for a game like it. Shut the fuck up.>>724802927"Meta" in discussions like this usually refers to "actively questioning the nature of fiction", so a plain crossover doesn't count.
>>724806864Crusader of Light gets spitroasted by dark men btw
>>724806125don't ever reply to me with some unrelated bullshit after I btfo you ever again.
>>724805807Hasn't the Janny pet thing been an issue since June? What are you referring to that happened a month ago.
>>724807139I'm not gay for wanting a story to be told genuinely.
>NOOOOOOOOO toby was totally NOT moral fagging in undertale
>>724797964>play the evil bastard route in a super meta game>get mad when game calls you an evil bastard in a meta wayThe fuck were you expecting? For genocide to end with Chara sucking you off?
>>724807251You turning into a harmless schizo into a full blow troll. That's what. Now fuck off.
>>724807375Game DOES actually end with Chara sucking you off. She literally thanks you for showing her the light and making her realize her only mistake was not killing everybody.
>>724807417What the fuck are you talking about?
>>724807251yes don't listen to the schizojanny's had at least one hotpocket scouring the board and tattling on the threads for a while now, it's pretty obvious when he shows up too
>>724807375>The fuck were you expecting?For the meta layer to just have never existed.Or at the very least for it to be more overt in the marketing so that I wouldn't be tricked into getting interested in the game.
>>724790008Post the full image coward
>>724807251>>724807606Samefag.
>>724807751>men want one thing and it's fucking disgusting
>>724807751>Berdly as the weird but wholesome uncle>Kris teaching his kid pianoI was expecting something more cursed
>>724807751>You will never have a cute monster girlfriend.>You will never have cute human X monster kids.>You will never be able to hold your wife and feel her soft fur gently brushing against you.
>>724807910damn...
>>724790008>>724807751Sauce
>>724807375Unironically Chara actually does suck you off for doing it but everyone gaslighted themselves on the contrary just because of soulless pacifist.
>>724807523He accidentally admitted who he was by getting mad about a completely different thing. Which confirms the fact he's samefagging.
>>724766078I play them as they come out so it's hard not to think of them as almost sequel games.I wish I could play Deltarune from start to end because I think it would change my perspective on a lot of it.
>>724807523>>724808012Samefag.
am i the only one who ships the whole battle throuple? they complete eachother and are adorable and it just feels wrong when one is left out (except noelle sorry noelle maybe when you get more character development and screentime And Also Youre Not In The Fun Gang, your relationship with susie feels strictly romantic than friendly and organic, you havent settled your shit with kris yet but you have potential, and you only addressed ralsei like once ever)
Crusader of Light vs. Yagipedo, FIGHT!!!
>>724807248make me, also stfu
>>724766078This scene in the picrel is worthless. It's impossible to connect to any of these character because of the stunt that chapter 4 pulled earlier.
>>724807248Quiet down, soft little femfaggot
>>724808005Honestly, Chara in soulless pacifist mostly seems annoyed with you not moving on to a different game.
>>724808235I am not the schizo whining about le janny pet just because people started talking about a topic I don't like.
>>724808235It's not even paranoia, he just assumes other people are samefagging because he does, and he's now beyond confirmed that he's that particular retard by bringing up you know who on accident.
>>724808135Crusader wins because he's more autistic and genuine.
>>724808086Thanks for calling it out, that samefagging was pathetic.
>>724808125They're very cute.I hope we get SOME KIND of actual Noelle/Ralsei interaction in Chapter 5 just so we can have some basis to figure out how those triangles could fit together
>>724806275>>724808216
>>724808529Noelle and Ralsei honestly seem like birds of a feathers.>Nerds>Fluffy/Soft>Submissive>Look up a lot to Susie and like hanging out with Kris.>Gooned characters.
I admit it. I'm a mind broken, pathetic loser whenever Chara is mentioned, discussed, or posted about in any regard. I am a fucking LOSER!
>>724808529Where's the Susie boobs edit?
>>724807949>>Kris teaching his kid pianomy hungry ass thought it was a fridge
>>724808428Who are you replying to, schizoidnigger?
>>724808625Bullshit. Toby Fox promised something good for people who like Undertale. I played Undertale, and I like that game. I cannot, in good faith recommend Deltarune to an Undertale fan, because of its rotten story.I, on the other hand have already invested time. Don't act act surprised when I notice that the game changed into something I never wanted. I want the character interactions to matter. As of now, they do not.
>>724808698It's not just Chara, it's Undertale in general now.
>>724808698I wish I had a girl I could fix like Chara...
When you see one of the known schizos who waste their lives waiting to post the same bait in these threads every day, and you feel compelled to give them a (You), I would recommend trying out just replying to them with images like this instead.>>724808803
>>724808428Pretty sure it's obvious that you're the one samefagging
I like the meta aspects of Deltarune mostly because when all is said and done it will be the best adoption of what it will actually be like to be Paul Atreides.
>>724808982It's not bait, that guy genuinely believes on what he posts. It's raw autism.
>>724808625I have to know what was the answer to the mystery, what was the point of all this, even if I don't like what I see.I would have never got into this if I knew where it was heading, but it's now too late.
I just realized that whatever comes after collecting all black shards actually has beating the Knight as a prerequisite, so I hope we get more hard bosses in the next chapters. Gerson and Titan fights were fun, but not really hard
>>724809172>Month old random post makes this schizo sperg out DAY AFTER DAY.Jesus Christ. Raw unfiltered autism.
still havent gotten that ban screenshot
>>724809296Why yes, you >>724805807 did sperg out about this, and have been having an even further melt down about this for the past month.Everyone knows you're an obnoxious samefagging retard.Nobody's willing to offer any sort of respect to you or even begin to pretend you're not obviously you.You got exactly what you asked for.Glad we're on the same page.>>724809464We already know you and your janny friend have only been deleting posts so nobody has a ban message to provide as "proof" of shit we've known is a problem for the past 7 months.Hell just 3 days ago we have an example.
I DMd Yagi about the creepy orbiter and suffice to say he's pretty upset
>>724809698Didn't you say you TOTALLY never messaged him and weren't stalking him?
>>724809597I only said a month ago because that's when you've started shitting these threads. I didn't know that was when some guy who broke your heart and that's why you do it.
>>724808656I think ideally they would get along, but the way Ralsei has addressed her makes me think that her getting involved with the Dark World stuff is BadNoelle implicitly plays some role in The Prophecy but Ralsei doesn't seem to want her in Castle Town, despite her nominally being an ally. He hasn't made a room for her, he hasn't encouraged Susie to invite her even though he talks about wanting her to make "real friends." He knows that Noelle likes Susie but only brings this up to discourage (You) from having Kris pursue Noelle, which is something he DEFINITELY doesn't want to happen.Outside of real story stuff, you can also imagine that he might feel threatened and even jealous of Noelle's similarity to his role, in the party and in their friend group. Noelle for her part is mainly fixated on the fact that he looks like Asriel, which can be another fun angle to play with.
>>724809842Yeah, no people were complaining about you back in June. It's too late retard.
>>724809464Because jannies don't actually do their job and keep schizos like him to shit their thread. This thread had literally no humanposting and he STILL shitted on it.
I really wish chapter 7 to be just a hallway to the final boss(es) like how New Home was. I don't want to wait that long again.
>>724809698Big if true. I wonder how this guy would react if the kid told him to fuck off. Maybe he would finally kill himself and leave these threads.
>>724809225This is what Sans criticized in his fight, btw. The desire to want to see the end just because you can, so you have to.
do you guys think carol is antisemetic because jews dont celebrate christmas
>>724810172if seeing the end just because I can is such a bad thing, that that hack Toby Fox should have given me a genuine character so I could connect to the game's world, instead of not, the way he did.
>>724809936Hey, I thought there were no Janny's pets and that was only a schizo theory by people who notice who you are (who are incidentally all one person).
>>724810191extremely
>>724809936Don't you mean spamming the thread? What you're doing?
>>724810297I am referring to you, shitter. You're the fag they don't ban.
>>724810172The game criticizes that after constantly baiting me into that?Plus, I'm not even reading every book and burning every book like I've used to. I didn't bother looking for secrets and unused content breakdowns like I used to, besides playing the two main routes and getting the main secrets.All I want is closure for the cliffhangers from 7-10 years ago.
>>724810297>>724810456Samefag.
this is still the best part of the game. When Deltarune actually felt like the Legend of Delta Rune. Before the theorybait and the memes took over. No bullshit, a story told genuinely. I want the Kingdom of Darkness that was promised.
Final thought:You can't unrape the doe, Toby. No messing with my save files or anything will ever break my determination to break her.
>>724810487Or there's more than one person that doesn't like you.
>>724811030>just ignore the entire frame narrative of the game with Gaster and SURVEY_PROGRAM and the Vessel maker bro, why can't I just have a generic fantasy zany adventure?That's never what this was advertised as
>>724811030You should fight this schizo, my man:>>724811092Talk about Ralsei with him.
>>724811190Not everyone was there for the Survey program. I know I wasn't. You cannot expect everyone to know about Gaster. I didn't care about Gaster, I still don't
>>724811092Same could be said for you, dumbfuck
>>724811337The game still starts out with the frame narrative of Gaster and the vessel maker, it's clear from the get go that this isn't a run of the mill wacky fantasy adventureIf you don't like Toby games go play any of the hundreds of JRPGs that do what you wanted Deltarune to do
>>724811480>I can accuse others of being one guy samefagging when shitting the thread>But how DARE people do the same to me!!!He's such a pathetic schizo. Doing this for four years and nobody believes it's multiple people.
the sad part is that the humanfags really would shit up the place and avatarfag every thread to the image limit if not for him (hes still an annoying faggot THOUGH)avatarfags will literally form like cliques and shit if left unchecked and will usually have a set of simp retards to defend them if it happens for long enoughits the eric shit all over again where the dude who hates him is just as annoying because he never shuts the fuck up about it thats just how /v/ is now i guess, just POOPSHIT ANON vs the equally annoying ANTI-POOPSHIT ANON, in every fucking thread of a game you like
>>724811190>generic fantasy zany adventure?What other game is like that, huh?Because I never found one despite searching for.Toby is the only one who can do this particular style of fantasy comedy and do it well, he just doesn't focus on it.
>>724811594The schizo started shitting the thread despite no human posting, though. Just because a conversation ended up being about Undertale.
>>724811491I liked Undertale though. I cannot recommend Deltarune in good faith to an Undertale fan or a Jrpg fan. And no other game has Deltarune's Soundtrack. No other game has Chaos King or Second Sanctuary or Third Sanctuary or My Castle Town
>>724767760>chapter 4 all serious>the juice drinking>the old man gerson battle gags>YOUR TOO SLOW>the scooting around with the pianoChapter 4 might've been more serious overall in tone to set the midway climax, but it still has enough lighthearted moments and i think the tone fits the setting just fine
>>724811594I mean can you really say it's equally bad when one dude is pumping the thread full of shit and replying to the guy telling him to fuck offReally out of anyone sort of most massive blame falls on the jannies who shouldn't have created this situation to begin with so nobody could really discuss deltarune.Can't really expect that one retard to not try to turn every thread vaguely about Toby Fox into the /utg/ and you can't really blame anyone noticing him and telling him to fuck off.
>>724811936I wouldn't even recommend Undertale to a JRPG fan.Toby's games are really designed to appeal to old school nintendo game nerds, specifically channeling Earthbound and Mario RPG etc, but the amazing music and character writing are what give it mass appeal to normies
>>724809698Post it?
>>724812038NTA but if you're still going despite whatever you were fighting against not being present, then you've successfully replaced them and are just as annoying if not more.
>>724755262Should I buy Chapters 3 and 4?Loved Undertale, but not a big fan of coming-of-age games. Played Chapter 1, wasn't too big a fan of it for some reason, maybe because of the linear gameplay. Played Chapter 2, loved the cute cutscenes where the characters bonded via playing silly minigames. And thought the Weird Route and its implications were exciting and more interesting than the normal route.I like seeing Susie and Kris interact but I'm not a fan of Ralsei and I prefer Kris to be paired up with Noelle in battles. Either way I like to see Susie and Kris and Noelle interacting and having a good wholesome time together, as long as it doesn't delve into too much teen angst. So anons? Would you recommend?
>>724769269>and the designs and aesthetics are highly memorable, to the point of many memes being born out of it.I still think the old black and white battle screens were way more memorable and iconic than the current sprite based battles
>>724811491>any of the hundreds of JRPGs that do what you wanted Deltarune to doCould you please name some of those JRPGs to me?
>>724812282No. I played them, and I feel like chapter 4 is the worst of them, one of the worst experiences I've ever had in a game.
>>724811858>>724812038oh dont get me wrong hes still definitely a faggothes probaly some newfag that things he has to constantly be an asshole to fit inim just saying in an alternate universe where he was a stain in the sheets of a shitty bug filled bed in mexico, wed be dealing with 2 blog posters shitting up every thread instead like you said the root of the issue goes down to the jannies of this shit site wish people stayed on 8/v/ since it has ids and the utdr thread there has been fine for its entire lifespan
>>724812282Deltarune really isn't a coming of age game at all
>>724812396Like I said in another post, if the guy keeps going despite whatever he was facing being gone, he has successfully replaced them. It's like elimating a pest with another one. Nothing changes.
>>724812248The retard spamming the thread IS here though it's pretty obvious he is, and like I said about the nature of the thing it's uniquely a problem since he has the jannies banning people actually trying to talk about Deltarune.
>>724758521based prunsel
>>724812586Yeah, he's you.
>>724812282I say it's 50/50 for you to like the new chapters or not.
>>724812282You shouldn't if that's what you want. 3 and 4 are the Susie and Ralsei show and 4 is full of Ralsei angst.>cutscenes where the characters bonded via playing silly minigames.This is the only part that's in 3 and 4 that you will like.
>>724812282>loved the cute cutscenes where the characters bonded via playing silly minigamestheres a lot more of that>weird routetheres some more stuff and its good its just not as much as we got in ch2 because we arnt with noelle in either chapter>ralseiyoull unironically come around on him, i wasent expecting to either>teen angst theres a little bit but its not like retarded homestuck act 6 shit
>>724799467Got it, dying in Deltarune is a good thing, but only on the Playstation version
>>724808982>>724808625There really is nothing good coming out in terms of video games lately. Deltarune and Silksong where the last two announcements I was expecting something out of.
the avatartranny cries out as he strikes you
the thirdie cried out as he ruined your thread
>>724813356Is that... one post with Chara in it? I must shit 200 posts telling them off at once!
Just let people have fun and avatarfag sweetie, this is our space now.
>>724813540Except the posts you're making pretending to be other people outnumber the posts of people telling you to fuck off like 10:1.
>>724813631Not the guy in the picture, schizo.
Still waiting on that DM from that man you keep referring to as a child you're totally not stalking or messaging by the way.
Col, where are you, you little thread shitter
Robert "Radiation" Fox
yagikiddiediddlerpedowedo is on his last legs now
>>724813897That just means he will shit the threads even harder.
>>724813628This is so true! I agree!
>>724813107Why did he do it?
