Now that the dust has settled.Was Bloodlines 2 really that bad?
Yes
>>724756424elaborate?
>>724756462No
>>724756397Why is Jesus dabbing
>>724756397it was far far worse
Bloodlines 2 is overall a better game than the first one, but it's flawed in different ways, and has the constant feeling of missed potential. Patches are probably going to address some of the worst pain points, but what the game really needs is a huge injection of side content, and that's dubious.
>>724756495When you pass the blunt, it's common courtesy to turn the other cheek.
How come one (1) person keeps repeating the mantra "Bloodlines 2 is a better game, but..." and then tries to garner VTMB fans by pretending to sympathize with the aspects of the game they like the most? Is it a paid shill, a sociopath who is bad at his game, or a retard?
>>724756967I think it's because Bloodlines 2 is so much better than the first game but you have to put an asterisk over it.
>>724756967no one's trying to sell you shit faggot
>>724757135>Bloodlines 2 is so much better than the first gameI know a lot of internet retards like to get off on being "technically correct" by using semantics and extremely irrelevant objectives, but VTMB 2 being "better" in aspects like the graphics and the engine does not make it better than the first game when everything else is worse.
>>724756495that's Caine
>>724757307Bloodlines 2 is better in terms of:>Writing.>Characters.>Combat.>Stealth.>Disciplines.>Audio design.>Music.>Voice acting.Stuff like that. It's actually a lot worse from a tech/engine perspective because it stutters all the time.It's worse in terms of:>Hub design/utility.>Quest design.>Tutorialization.These are significant weaknesses.
>>724757251You are specifically targeting me and trying to get me to buy VTMB2 but you're too stupid to understand why I liked the first game in the first place. You want me to be a faggot? Fine. Drop your pants and spread your ass, queer queen, I'm going in dry.
>>724757135>>724757251>Saar! Saaar! Nobody is trying to sell you bitch lasagna benchod, saar!You should have studied harder and eaten less cow dung while growing up. Now you are stuck with this shitty job of shilling garbage games at a competitive rate of 1 cent per post.
>>724757343Caine he do that tho
>>724756397I just saw Chrstine Burke from a Chicken Soup for the Soul. Sad she never made it big on TV. Serena has the most beautiful voice in the game.
>>724756967what kind of a world of darkness halloween monster is she
>>724756397I think it is obviously pretty bad but I'm also having fun with the combat. It's shallow combat but not as shallow as the game makes it out to be from the tutorial. Using dodge cancels to combo and juggle enemies, getting different context-sensitive kicks with different uses, like a forward dodge cancel into a kick gets you a knee attack that works great for juggling enemies while kicking after a slide gets you a low kick the launches enemies backwards and seems to hit low enough to go underneath their guard once they start blocking, stuff like that. Messing with different combinations of the discipline powers is fun too but there's so few of them that there's only so much you can get out of it.
>>724756967man I just now realized how retarded some of those Bloodlines lines were. The whole thing was a satirical tongue in cheek joke just a tad below postal 2 level.
>>724756590>Bloodlines 2 is overall a better game than the first one>future patches promising to let you skip all fabien segments>also promising to make it easier to skip combat>"the game really needs better side content">Bloodlines 2 is overall a better game than the first oneyou have brain problems
>>724759054Never post on my /v/ ever again, retard.
by today hyperbolic standards its hard to tell. I think the game might be to linear to really be like VTMB1 but overall it could shape into a enjoyable experience, hopefully the expansion actually add more content to the game which is which the game really needs I have some game playhttps://youtu.be/lPsQ6gZH-6s
>>724759054>The whole thing was a satirical tongue in cheek jokeno it had plenty of serious moments if you actually played the game and didn't just shitpost you stinky n00b
>>724756967I was talking to someone who tried to claim 2 is bad because it has jokes and because it's not super dark and serious and mature like the first game.
>>724759586I was talking to someone who said they weren't raped after you viciously tongued their asshole and swallowed their load, what a coincidence.
>>724756397Yes.Next question.
>>724757441Kill yourself.
>>724759586the first game had jokes but still dealt with a lot of serious topics. AIDS, addiction, snuff films, racism, sexism. it didn't really joke about those things. does 2 deal with serious real world topics like that?
>>724757441>Bloodlines 2 is better in terms of:>>Music.lol
>>724756397Yes, Its basically what Farcry is to Morrowind. Its not an RPG, people wanted something with more RPG elements, not less where you can do everything on your first run. I summarize the game in the way it handles the nosferatu of the setting and that the player cant play them.The wrong game for the wrong developers, you needed an RPG making studio to be on this, not a linear FPS studio.
>>724760243Of course not.
>>724756397As a sequel, it's a 0/10. As its own thing, it's a 6/10.
>>724756495Just rejected Satan.
>>724757441
>>7247603252's soundtrack is better, but I wish the music looped.
>>724762014>2's soundtrack is betterlol
>>724759265>if you actually played the gameyeah done it plenty of times. VTMR was better.
Real question is if the game has soul or not. Yeah VTMB is flawed but is soul overload and something unique to be experienced. If the new game is more polished but had no soul it isnt really noteworthy and is just another okay game to add to the pile we get every year which is technically proficient but it’s t memorable or interesting in any noteworthy way. That’s just slop.
>>724760243>does 2 deal with serious real world topics like that?Those are all topics that relate to humans, and Bloodlines 2 does not give a single, solitary shit about humans.
>>724762434All of The Chinese Room's games have soul.
>>724762806yeah but at least they could've made the game not suck. 2004 VTMB is overrated but that's not a good reason to make a shit game.
>>724762854Dear Esther had some but not VTMB2
why did she make a machine for pigs
>>724762875The game doesn't suck, though. It's definitely undercooked in places, but it's a good game.
>>724762806well that's convenientAIDS for plaguebearers, ghouls being addicted, snuff films made by vampires breaking the masquerade, i guess that doesn't have anything to do with vampires
>>724763079>The game doesn't suck>It's definitely undercookedlol you're saying it sucks but trying to be nice about it and deny it
>>724762043The soundtrack is better than 1, I don't know why some people are in so much denial about it.https://youtu.be/VdWGtVAIwmc?si=ILEmegglUrLkBSf3
>>724763251>The soundtrack is better than 1lol
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jXkQkBeuwQc
>>724757441I genuinely wonder what causes these oddly specific strains of autism that drive people to make posts like this.
>>724763348
>>724763170VTMB2 is a lot like Swansong in that it takes place entirely from a vampire perspective, decoupled from human concerns outside of a few rare quests where you impassively interact with humans.>ghouls being addictedOh, yea, that's a major part of Bloodlines 2, but again, it's from a cold, impassive vampire perspective, not the weepy human perspective of 1, where you play a fledgling.>>724763241It has an incredibly strong central storyline wrapped in a game structure and hub it doesn't really know what to do with. It's LA Noire meets Homefront 2.
>>724763558>it's from a cold, impassive vampire perspective, not the weepy human perspective of 1, where you play a fledgling.you can play it cold and uncaring in 1, idk why you'd think it's only from a weepy human perspective
>>724757441>Writing.Let's see, Elder getting clowned around like a thinblood, antitribu Tremere going unnoticed for a century, all the contrived plot holes, wasted characters... Lol no writing is no good>Characters.All the characters combined in VTMB2 are barely as interesting as smiling Jack alone, and that's just one out of a couple dozen more>Combat.Lol no, ONLY for unarmed, disciplines are much worse and everything else is nonexistent>Stealth.some parts are better, but no, enemies are somehow way more retarded in this game.>Disciplines.Hell no, all disciplines are neutered and the fun ones are not even in this game>Audio design.Here and there sure>Music.lol no>Voice acting.When female Phyre exists? Or Damsel's VA that recorded on a noticeably different set up? LMAO
>>724763348>>724763414imagine wasting vitae just to make your body shit
>>724756397Yep
>cain>exiled from eden???
what happened to the dlc clans? your clan doesn't even matter in this game so the dlcs would only give you some more skills to learn, right?
>>724763776Disciplines were terrible in 1, though. Also, female Phyre is great.
>>724764481DLC clans add skill trainers for you to fuck and clan specific dialogue choices and also Lasombra can dress up as a priest and get unique dialogue.Also each clan feels different to play because they have different underlying stats and animations.
>>724763558>weepy human>manages to wipe majority of sabbat in la, relatively old tzimisce, slow kuei jin takeover for atleast a decade>giga uber ancient>gets fucked by random hobo with iron pipe
>>724757441>Bloodlines 2 is better in terms of [SHIT THAT DOES NOT MAKE A GOOD GAME] but is worse in terms of [SHIT THAT MAKES A GAME GOOD]
>>724763668>>724764807Bloodlines 2 takes place from a humanity-oriented perspective telling street level stories of street level people with street level problems. Bloodlines 2 is generally disinterested in this. They try to shove a few of those quests in with Fabien, but overall the game is very distanced from humanity.
>>724765062
Why even bother shitting up board with some of the most bait inducing shilling after your shit tier game is released and nobody cares anymore? Did some chink room faggot forgot to take down 0.01 c per word shilling task from pajeet online farms?
>>724764608>skill trainers for you to fucki don't wanna fuck tolly>clan specific dialoguethe main game doesn't contain many clan specific dialogue options so i'm suspicious>lasombra can dress up as a priest:/>each clan has different stats and animationsi don't care about animations and i don't notice much difference between the main game clans. idk i think the clans got done dirty
>>724764608>Also each clan feels different to play because they have different underlying stats and animations.too bad a lot of the animations look goofy, especially for tremere
>>724756397best thing about this game is it’s dedicated shill
>>724765349This is never going to stop. The devs are already working on improvement and story DLC, so VTMB2-posting will continue without pause for the next year or three.
https://youtu.be/ZVo_KKW_a5Y?si=2nhhIpTm4XM1-jGo
I've stopped posting in VTMB threads because of so many pro-2 shills so I'm sure other anons have stopped as well.I'd guess that's why there's a high proportion of shill posts in this thread: real people have just stopped responding to bait.
>>724765653What an idiotic video. I especially like how he's confused by Mr. Lemon, a character that is rambling on but is dropping huge hints about the plot.Lemony Moss = Memory Loss.
>>724765653i dont really care for vtmb2 but isnt the voice acting and dialog basically on par with vtmb1?
>>724765754It's basically just people complaining about Tolly being a raging fag.
>>724764563>Disciplines were terrible in 1Only the Lasombra disciplines are mildly interesting and even then they are not as fun as they could be.Everything else is nerfed to the ground particularly with how the blood points and feeding are handled. Dominate only killing one guy instead a whole bunch of them, not doing anything outside of combat, no story integration.Blood Sorcery, being absolutely pathetic.Celerity, being lame and shitFortitude not being a thing despite being a Ventrue hallmarkNo dementation for Fabienetc, all the "powers" in the game feel like thinbloob abilities. when they shouldn't be
>>724765930>Dominate only killing one guy instead a whole bunch of them,You have to combine it with Mass Manipulation. Use Manipulation and then Terminal Decree.
>>724756424FIRST POST. /THREAD. EVERYONE GO HOME.>>724756486We're done here.
>>724765628maybe if the game wasn't shit lol>patches will save itsure
>>724763380>I genuinely wonder what causes these oddly specific strains of autism that drive people to make posts like this.I assume it's an employee trying to save their rep in in the industry.
>>724756397It's really, really hard not to compare it directly with 1And yeah, I get it, people are mad it isn't a RPG in the sense that you get a character sheet and points to piss away here and there so you experience a different game than someone who built their character differently But ignoring all that what do you get: a beat 'em up with a shitload of superpowers and a plot that more or less hits the highs and lows of an okay VTM ST campaign. They should not have included the segments where you're playing as the other guy, as it absolutely KILLS the momentum of the game. Quest wise you're in town to do one thing and it really sucks that they didn't use the side quests to flesh out the weirdness of the settingThe Damsel cameo was stupid as FUCK
Yes it sucked like a major dumpster fire. It had limiting character creation designs, named your head character Phyre, has millennial juvenile writing in it, have to make the choice of Embracing a D.E.I. obese black Head Hunter or else every Kindred in the city dies and made our main character we controlled get bossed around by everyone and not have the choice of keeping our identity a secret.
>>724756590>Bloodlines 2 is overall a better game than the first one
>>724763874Neonates wouldn't get it.
>>724756590The dialogue and narration of the game is too cancerous to ever be remedied. I watched it for like 5 minutes to see what people were complaining about and I couldnt even tolerate watching it. Also telekinesis gun usage is lame as fuck for a vampire game especially if you have to lean into it for bullet sponge bosses.
>>724766824
>>724765062What kind of cope you retard are sniffing in to write "well, if you understand the deep multilayered gameplay present in vtmb2, you can only understand how great a game it is, but first we need to understand how western literature pale in comparison with vtmb2"
>>724766785How is not better? Is there literally argument aside from nostalgia?
>>724767079An inventory would be niceweapons would be nicecharacter sheet would be nicesidequests that aren't fetch quests would be nicethe game not being 50% walking sim would be nicegood writing would be nice
>>724767079>Is there literally argument aside from nostalgia?yes. dismissing all criticism means you're failing.
ABSOLUTE CINEMA.
>>724767172The game is just disinterested in being a typical RPG.
>the one vampire you meet who isn't manipulating youbest girl
So is 2 as gay and modern politics focused as everyone was afraid it would be?
>>724768376Velvet is open about manipulating you from the start, that kind of her schtick, and also her quests are laughably easy to mess up because if you say anything she doesn't like, or do anything she doesn't like, or pick the random option she doesn't like, she'll just sulk in her corner and never talk to you again.So like a random woman.
>>724768550yeahthe anarch leader literally mocks the protagonist hunting Sabbat by saying "Make Gehenna Great Again"
>>724756967Same sad chucklefuck that replied to you 4 times.
>>724768550It's not really that woke, it's just pure shit.There are some girlbosses here and there, there are some negroes, for some reasons they tried to amend the "do not take if male" joke line by "but if troons do, it's ok." But it's not that much woke, it's just a shit game.
>>724768550No. If you want a super on the nose political game play Bloodlines 1.
>>724768550Not really. The dialogue just isn't good. Like with each character there's an obvious thing they were going for, the catty Nosferatu information guy, the Malkavian detective narrating everything noir-style, the stereotypical Toreador nightclub owner - but whoever was writing their dialogue wasn't good enough to actually pull it off so most of it just makes you either cringe or roll your eyes. Most of the characters also don't really have much to them beyond these one-note concepts.
It's neither bad nor good, just a completely forgettable, generic, pointless FPS game that wouldn't have ever been made if Paradox wasn't desperate to do capitalize on having rights to the IP. In one sense, the way it turned out was the most tragic outcome of all.
>>724768916Yeah it's aggressively a 5/10
>>724768376Velvet manipulates the shit out of you. She's just a little more open about it and actually cares if you die or not doing her tasks (Some of the others involved too even). Yeah if you fuck up or are rude to her she cuts you off but that's more on you than her. Are you an asshole to everyone you want something from? Would you respect, let alone continue working with someone you sent out for milk but they came back with an empty jug after needlessly killing 5 cows trying to get it?But if you play along and even manipulate her back, then she loves it! She sees through your bullshit flattery and flirting as much as you (hopefully) see through hers but she loves that you're both just having fun playing these stupid littles games (while also getting her shit sorted while your at it). Too many kindred take it too seriously.Plus you're still earning boons friend, and lore-wise she's usually good for them. Maybe not always the most useful methods of paying them back but she's still a decent size player in Cali.
>>724766824SHOOT HERSHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT HERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
making a game where you're a super elder vampire is fucking retarded anyways, there's no good plot that can happen if your character is superman vampire and it's retarded if you make them weaker than a random hobo. this game was destined to fail from conception. maybe one day we'll get a WoD hunter game where you fight vampires and werewolves.
>>724768916Is it really completely forgettable? I remember every single character, every musical theme, and so on. It's easily the best written vampire videogame story to date.
>>724768838>The dialogue just isn't good.The dialogue is excellent. What the fuck are you talking about?>most of it just makes you either cringe or roll your eyes. Not at all. It's essentially flawless in writing and presentation.
>>724769165You could have been the brick sent into Seattle politics. You're an Elder, Seattle has 100 years of vampire schemings: well, you're 400+ years old, bitch. You simply go through everyone, everyone is afraid of you because you're just casually walking through all the schemes and not fucking caring. They try to divert you, they fail, again and again, and you just don't care.It would require someone that can write on the dev team, though.
>>724769130Fuck it's late, half of this was a response to >>724768569 bitching about her getting mad when fucking up and my brain just equated both the original post and the response as the same thing.
>>724769358>You could have been the brick sent into Seattle politics. You're an Elder, Seattle has 100 years of vampire schemings: well, you're 400+ years old, bitch. You simply go through everyone, everyone is afraid of you because you're just casually walking through all the schemes and not fucking caring. They try to divert you, they fail, again and again, and you just don't care.That's literally just VTM Swansong, though, with Boston swapped for Seattle.
Would a thin blood game be good or are they just too disliked?
>>724769245Yes.
>>724769295How much are you getting paid to do this? Because honestly I could do a much better job at it than you're currently doing and I could use the money.
>>724768838>Most of the characters also don't really have much to them beyond these one-note concepts.I disagree. Every single character in the game is either lying to you or lying to themselves. None of them are who they appear to be on the surface. That's one of the reasons why Ysabella and Benny are getting story DLCs. Because there is so, so much more going on under the surface waiting to get fucked sideways by Burial At Sea-style retcons where they did nothing wrong.
>>724769421VtM is always most fun when you're playing as a neonate doing all the bitch work.
>>724769373Hey man, I like Velvet, sure I do, no biggy. But you can only stomach so much womanness from a woman if you select the wrong option she will sulk in her corner, and it's stupidly easy to choose the wrong option. I only managed to get a happy Velvet in my fucking 4th playthrough. That's how woman Velvet is.
>>724756397>Bloodlines 2there's only one bloodlines and that cashgrab ue5 slop has nothing to do with itit's a vtm game i guess but there's more than 10 of them already and nobody cares they exist
As awesome as this moment was, I wish the game would stop wrenching control away from me in order to tell the story it wants to tell.
>>724769637Nigger you must be retarded if it's that hard for you to figure out which dialogue options are the good ones in VTMB.
Did he leave The Chinese Room voluntarily, or was he kicked out? It's like he vanished off the face of the earth after 2023.
>>724769758>Velvet isn't a little bitch that will hate you because you did her quests *incorrectly*You can't be serious, or probably you never played the game.
>>724769829Isn't there a Penchbing (or whatever the dude is called) fan on this thread. Like he can quote all penchbing theorems from his PHD and also say how Penchbing was a visionary in three different languages. He'll tell you Penchbing is a true genius, who revolutioned Walking Sims or something.
>>724769878>Tells you to do her shit a certain way>You fuck upYeah every NPC gets pissy with you when you do that. Moreover, you're the idiot that admitted it took him 4 fucking playthroughs before figuring out which dialogue options were the right ones. The only excuse for that is an inability to read you illiterate troglodyte.
>>724766470>the cameoyeah I think they jumped the shark with that one
>>724770078What's supposed to be wrong with the Damsel cameo?
>>724770034Velvet is the hardest NPC to get happy in the entire game, her quests have several hidden failstates and she tells you she wants some quests done that way but you really need to understand she wants them done another way. She's a little prickly bitch, anon. Why are you getting so angry about this.
>>724756397Yes it was, now kill yourself.
>>724756967There is a shill, he has been at this for months. The game flopped and now he is just desperately shitting on VtMB and crying while he just has a massive mental breakdown. >>724763380Its not autism, this faggot is paid to do this See>>724770456
Why is everyone so horny in Seattle?
>>724769752It's a shit moment from a shit game with a retarded ugly protagonist that has some stupid faggot that never shuts the fuck up in its head. The game flopped, everyone knows its ass, You failed. Enjoy pretending to like eating shit until you get laid off cuck room faggot.
>>724770121It feels forced and pompous. That's not a cameo, that's a center piece of the entire game. And it shouldn't be. In general the game's treatment of the WOD universe is just a mention. It was supposed to be a different game altogether. Just like the Soul Reaver game lumped into the Legacy of Kain universe felt out of place, so does this game. The devs mock us by adding a character from the original game as if they try to tell us that this game most definitely belongs in the series when it doesn't. It is a distraction from an otherwise awful story.
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>>724770606Hardsuit Labs had a Damsel cameo, too. It's just designed to explain the connection between 1 and 2. Campbell refuses to open the box because of what happened in 1. And Damsel is feeding info and resources to the seattle anarchs.>That's not a cameo, that's a center piece of the entire game.It's like a 2 minute long sequence during a quest.
>>724770969>It's like a 2 minute long sequence during a quest.yes that's the point. They make a goddamn walking simulator for 2 minute cameo to appease the fans. 0/10
>>724771019How is it any different to Bloodlines shoehorning in characters like Smiling Jack for the fans?
>>724758539the worst kind of monster- she's a mundane human with a fucked up chronic eczema condition
>>724756397I think the biggest by the devs and the publishers alike is that Bloodlines belongs to the WoD universe which ended in 2004 with the Time of Judgement scenario. SPOILERS: Vampires and other unnatural beings faced their end times when a red star appeared in the skies in 1999 and through the first half of the 2000s they withered away, while Thin Bloods afraid of facing the same fate told the mortals' governments about the vampires.. VTM was discontinued in 2004 and re-launched only in 2011. Effectively, Bloodlines and new VTM shit is the same thing as pre-Disney and post-Disney Star Wars. Tying the two together feels lame and roced.
>>724771454*forced
>>724771454You do know that even before the paradox buyout the Gehenna, apocalypse and other "end of times" scenarios were just that, right? Scenarios. As in Not Canon to the meta plot.
>Play it pirated thank fuck>Its actually dogshitDon't buy it bros; I'm offended that I got it for free
>>724757441you say the funniest things shill
>>724768376actual retard
>>724772298yes, but it fit the Bloodlines plot nicely, along with the discontinuation of the VTM line. Bringing it back instead of starting something new is just pandering to edgy millennials who won't like it anyway.
>>724769295>It's essentially flawless in writing and presentation.this has to be b8 rather than shilling
god DAMN i get insulted enough irl i dont need this shit
Something like 4% of players have managed to get the achievement for doing 30 parries, which means that none of you bothered looking in the codex and learning how the parry mechanics work.
>>724776113sounds like bad design then if a major mechanic is going completely unnoticed
>>724776113perhaps game is not worth playing time that you can get 30 parries...
>>724776113>>724776627This happens when the game is a linear corridor shooter that starts off teaching you basic commands so you're likely to assume if there was anything else they would have shown it. Instead the ONE thing that doesn't treat you like a baby is the part where it hides most of the combat mechanics and you're supposed to look for them.
>>724776113
>>724776113That's how you know that your mechanic is shitSHIT
>>724770327
Shouldn't have called Bloodlines 2 "Bloodlines 2"Should have just called it "Nomad" or something.
>>724756424fippy bippy
>>724773051They did try to start something new though. That's how we got the wet fart that we now know as Chronicles.
God I want VV to manipulate me
if she pretends to breatheshe's a thot
>>724769245I've always wondered, how do you prove to your employer that you are shilling the game? Do you take screenshots of your posts? Or do they just assume (probably rightly so) that all positive posts are from you?
caine he's just sorapeable
I think biggest issue regarding VTMB 2 is that V5 product through and through. People have issues in that Phyre is treated as if its ancilla at best. well, in V5, there are no elder, and all NPC methuselaths and elders are ancilla tier compared to VTM revised. what about complaint that disciplines? well its been nurtured in there as well. no dementation? well yes, because its no longer a thing. its just dominate+obsfuscate effect to drive people crazy. what about flesh crafting, you know THE thing the Fiends are most known for? well, any gangrel or anyone with protein can do that now. what about obteneration or necromancy? its same thing now, so any lasombra can start raising zombies or any giovanni conjure up shadow tentacles. If VTMB was condensated version of revised, VTMB 2 is condensated version of V5. is serviceable for current day and age, but wholly underwhelming if you know what came before it. and Paradox even used same tactics to sell this game. they repeatedly said that "oh VTMB was nothing special, it was bad actually, so you cant expect us to make "GREAT" game, do you?" well V5 is better too, because Revised/V20 was too "complicated". same thing they do to Werewolf the Apocalypse. "guys, guys, Its new thing, NOT A LEGACY TITLE, you sillies, we just use 95% of terminology and concepts for shit we spew out because we just want to sell you "the Product". same with Hunter the Reckoning. Imbued? what's that? no no guys, its not Legacy game, its just castrated version of hunters hunted/hunter the vigil. VTMB 2 for all its flaws and good thing, is just a reflection of V5 and what is V5? its raped corpse of V20, filled with VtR 2e Cum and given post rape makeup to hide evidence. For me, i was not surprised by this flop. and I'm not just talking regarding all drama and mismanagement regarding development. It was not suprising because i can see it from V5, W5 and H5. lets take older game, castrate it to hell and sell this sloppa.
>>724778178Tolkien was right, Evil cant create. it can only mock and imitate. and Paradox and White Wolf are straight up Pentex subsidiaries.
>>724778178Kinda surprised they didn't at least try to pivot it off to a Chronicles of Darkness game and make the first Vampire: The Requiem game but NWoD seems to be kinda fucked compared to OWoD.
>>724777967haha look at all these strings on the jester puppet!
>>724777767maybe tracking software
>>724777967
>>724763251lmao
>>724770567based
>>724778796AAAAAAAAAA DIE YOU FUCKER
imagine having a dick so big you gotta fuck farm animals just to get off
>>724777596
to be fair, you need a very high iq to appreciate a nosferatu playthru
>>724778254you know thats a fake quote right
>>724777967It's great how the expressions aren't just random, you can see the mental process of>Outrage>Suspicion>Befuddlement>Dejection
>>724757441No nosferatu, no buy. Simple as.
>>724779341I don't care if it's fake if it's true
>>724779390The Source Engine is a sex machine for lighting, physics, and facial animations, and it's a shame Gabe took a fat shit on Troika's doorstep and left them with a bug-riddled prototype of Source 2.
>>724756397not really, i think its an ok gamejust make a vtm anime and people will come around lol
>>724779448gullible
Should I try out the clan quest mod?
>>724779440based loud minority
>>724779460>and it's a shame Gabe took a fat shit on Troika's doorstep and left them with a bug-riddled prototype of Source 2.Troika chose to start developing on an engine that wasn't finished yet. Valve kept sending Troika updates for the engine. Activision was the one that froze development even when the engine updates were still coming.
>>724779537Yes. The actual clan quests aren't that great but the Sabbat hub and full questline is pretty good.
>>724779460>bug-riddled prototype of Source 2.>Source 2What?
>>724756462bad plot, bad script, bad voice acting, bad graphics,bad combat, bad design, tranny looking main character, ugly all characters, cringe, simplified, should be free for the quality but is full price and many other issues.
>not only bloodlines 2 is a major flop, that fact made some paradox retard so assmad hes in every vtm thread spamming his retarded shitThis game is a gift that keeps on giving Now if only it could drag tcr with it kek
>>724765754not even close retard
>>724765754people have only complained about "bet of night" being a poor copy of "deb of night" without any of the charisma
>>724781367>bet of nightMore like fatty blight.
>>724781146Listening to the voice acting side by side, the new acting is a lot better quality-wise because it doesn't sound like an American cartoon. Half the cast of VTMB1 is an American animated TV show actor. Talented enough, but absolutely mogged by VTMB2's cast.
>>724768605Sis the original has several jokes about republicans, there would’ve 100% been a maga joke in it if it were made today
>>724781389i don't really care that she's fat. kinda wish people would stop focusing on that because it takes away from legitimate complaints about her not being a great voice actress and bet of night just being a poor imitator. she was the community manager or something? just seems like she's not really a voice actress and is lacking charisma.>>724782035>Listening to the voice acting of VtMB2
>>724779951post hours played
>>724782319Don't worry, I've made fun of her morbid lack of voice acting talent and the horrendously written dialogue as well. It's fucking embarrassing how hamfisted the "innuendo" is in those segments.
>>724779951As a fan of VTM in general, it's kinda sad to see how desperate and coping fans of the first Bloodlines have become.
>>724782487>It's fucking embarrassing how hamfisted the "innuendo" is in those segments.Because The Deb of Night was known for its incredible subtlety. The average person cannot tell the difference between Deb and Bet. It's literally only a seething group of VTMB1 fans who are upset about Bet.
Shovel ware wokeslop trying to capitalize off an IP. Anyone that says otherwise is a fucking liar.
Funnily enough, my first playthrough went bug-free but latest patch has introduced a few for me.The whole pseudo-noir vibe makes me want to reinstall Discworld Noir, if I can get it to run. In some respects very similar. Up to the scent chasing.>>724756590>Bloodlines 2 has the constant feeling of missed potential.This. I had a lot of fun with it, but it's a decent game that feels like it could have been great. There's some solid, interesting design hampered by otherwise baffling choices.>>724782035>the new acting is a lot better quality-wise because it doesn't sound like an American cartoon.And the people who find it better will like it /because/ is sounds like an American cartoon.It's not a matter of innate quality, it's a matter of preference, on that one.
>>724782319The writing is definitely the biggest issue for those segments, I would say.I think the original Deb of Night works in n small part because the writing of VtMB1 is so unabashedly, unashamedly low-brow.There's a pretense of seriousness to VtMB2 that that feels both like it wants to be serious (fair enough when it works) but also like /it wants to be taken seriously/ (more of a mouthful when it doesn't).In no small part because of that, I don't think the jokes land well. From a pure pacing perspective, too much words amounting to too little. The whole thing seems so self-satisifed with its own on-going subplot it forgets to make individual vignettes interesting in and off themselves.All in all, I don't even want to say anything about the performances, because it's probably where the game's writing is at its weakest.
This is what Safia's actress looks like in real life.
>>724783576I don't really have an issue with Bet of Night, but I do think it's very noticeably not written by the same people as the rest of the game. Perhaps The Chinese Room should have taken a firmer hand on the script. They had minimal interference aside from telling her to remove a joke about NFTs.
>all of the white people are at Sunday church>thread devolves without them calling out the shill who keeps using the same “tactic”GIMME THAT OL’ TYME RELIGION—
Every character is so fuckable. I wish we had actual sex scenes instead of fade to black over sex noises.
Working on the whole Fabien subsegment. We have three main possibilities for the copycat murders:- Safia did it. Seems less likely to me because it would seem to contradict some events.- Fabien did it. Which opens some cans of worms with Fabien needing to knowing a lot more than he remembers about other plots.- There were no murders. They are toal delusions. (-Friendf of mine adds Misty could be a very unlikely suspect. Too little narrative presence though, would feel like a cop out to me.)Trying to find proof in MC segments that at least one of the murders happened. Does Ravena even exist? I don't remember talking about her sister to Verona (but I'm sleep deprived, so may just be that).While talking delusions, anyone noticed more diffferences between present and memories similar to Fabien's "office" door?
I can forgive the shittiness but damn, vtmb2 lines were homestuck level cringeness even for gook like me
>>724780173good morning pedro
>>724784610There's a huge red flag with Fabien. When he goes to Dale's apartment he can't remember how he knows the address. I think he's repressing what he did.It's not explicitly confirmed but a number of things point that way.
There only real issue is where Fabien got the rebar. Also where are the missing heads?
>>724756967This is cut content that isn't part of the game though, that faggot unofficial patch restored it.
>>724786775Fabien being the murderer is definitely the explaination that has my preference, given the set up and writing tone (conversely, there being no murders at all is the worse, "that was just a dream" rarely works... off the top of head, Vagrant Story is the only game I can think of that pulled it off).Just trying to look up what we have in terms of solid data for now. I can accept there being no way to prove things, but the clearer picture we can get the better.(Should have taken a picture of that door, can't remember what the plaque above the "fabien" postit was. Something like storeroom.)
>>724763874He's just that much of a troll
>>724786775A lot of Fabien's seemingly random babbling can be seen foreshadowing.Things that immediately come to mind from latest replay:- At Aurora Panshop, when looking at the audio stuff, he comments how he always wanted to be the guy wearing the wire in an investigation.- When interrogating at Verona, his mention that cops are "trained killers" speaks about himself and his role in the cam (when talking to Fletcher at the start, he tells Fabien to either erase the girls memories, or get rid of the corpse which hints at us what Fabien's job for the cam also entails).
>>724787339Fabien being such an unreliable narrator really muddies the waters. Even his claim that he can't fight could be bullshit. His scent trail is super agile running up building and stuff, but his "memories" are all him shuffling around the streets.Verona's sister is the tough one. There's no way he could have snuck in. So did he arrive at her dressing room and... just completely block out murdering her? Where did he get the rebar? Maybe the DLC will shed more light from Benny and Ysabella's perspectives.
>>724770557The weather is shit for 9 months of year, so everyone has a lot of pent-up energy
>>724778391Paradox does not give a fuck about CoD IP
>>724787990Reading between the lines, the fact Campbell keeps Fabien around is probably because he does ugly things for the court, but either has them erased or chooses to repress them.There's a really dark vibe to Fabien that you kinda get hints of. That he has basically no conscience. The way he treats Wheeler is extremely eyebrow raising because if he treats his friends like that...
>>724787287i have the same amount of evidence your post carries that you suck Mexican assholes for rent money
what goods can stores offer you in bloodlines 2?
>>724788152There's also the cell phone that seemingly ties the Verona murder to the Sabbat subplot.But then why the Benny/Max-tied garage and the Ysabella-tied Atrium murders? Those people are active part of the plot.Part of what bothers me with the Safia explaination.
>>724779197Goddamn accessing those PCs is pure soul.
I can't tell you what soul is, but I know it when I see it.
>>724782035disgusting shill, have you no shame at all?
>>724790916there are people who hear griffin's or futterman's or mcglynn's voices and don't nutand they're mega fucking homos
>>724782792>Discworld NoirI kinda want that crossover now...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy78MlASEEw>>724790103As I was saying in the threads leading to the release of bloodlines 2, people seriously undersestimate how much weight the way they handled computers carried in Bloodlines 1. Does a lot for mood and... let's go with immersion.
>>724763251kek
Why is Fat Larry so cool?
I wish I enjoyed bl2 but it was really boring.quit the game after the nossy bossfight
>shill spamming the thread talking to himself about the storysad
>>724792609Oh but when you reply to yourself about your member berrys for the first game that is okay?
Redemption clears both bloodlines in terms of atmosphere, writing, content variety and combat, you need to consider positioning, lure enemies into ambushes, items, equipment, it's light years ahead.
>>724782319>i don't really care that she's fat. kinda wish people would stop focusing on thatYou literally can hear the fat in her voice, her vocal cors are affected by her fatness, this is not a fucking joke.
>>724792838kyou posted that the last 12 threads and nobody agreed so...try posting at a different time of the day or get someone from your discord to reply to you idk
>>724756397>like vampires>like video games>like rpgsEvery time I think I'm interested in this series, I see a screenshot or piece of dialogue, "yeah this looks like hot garbage." It doesn't help that the only fans of this I know irl are autistic trannies.
>>724792669>when you reply to yourselfI don't do that. That's called "samefagging" and is frowned upon. We try to keep discussion high quality and engaging here, not talking to ourselves...
>>724793160200 of the posts in these thread are you replying to yourself. No one loves the first game. It sold only 70.000 copies.
>>724793000I'm not the only that reached the conclusion that Redemption is the best WoD video-game available, I know there are other posters.
>>724793281You are mentally unwell.
Congratulations on destroying what could've been a mediocre franchise renewal Paradox and ChinkRoomImpressive stuff, truly
>>724794764There exists a timeline where V5 was abandoned entirely, fa/tg/uys still had their V20 tabletop sessions, and newfags were introduced to Chronicles of Darkness through Paradox's newest smash hit of 2024 (released 20 years after the cult favorite VTMB), "Vampire: The Requiem: Nomad".Sometimes I wonder if I'm actually a genius or if everyone in control of things I love are genuinely mega-retards.
>>724756397Yes, it is total shit.Replay Bloodlines and forget that Bloodlines 2 even exists.
Thinking about it I just realized one of the biggest problems I have with the game at its coreA game about an elder could've been fineA game about a Malky detective coul've been downright kinoBut the mixture of the two completely kills each other off, wrecks pacing, and sucks resources of each other.
>>724796536I know stahyvhun and reclinegod but who's pink shirt?
>>724796825There were two detectives but pink shirt came and went a couple times
>>724796918damn u rite i retid
how do you guys know where to spend dots in the first game
>>724756424Fpbp/ThreadVtmb 2 troons lost
>>724768550It's not, unless you consider women running everything in Seattle woke. That would be the only thing you could latch on to call it woke.It's just dogshit when you consider it's supposed to be the 2nd Bloodlines game but it's just a shitty melee game with no RPG mechanics, choices only matter for the 6 powerpoint slideshow endings, the clan you pick is irrelevant in gameplay, the dialogue feels written by a redditor, and breaking the masquerade just teleports a hunter behind you, he stakes you and you can't do anything about it.If this was called Vampire - Path of the Nomad or some bullshit it would've been fine game. But as a Bloodlines game, lol lmao, it manages to be less technically impressive than the 2004 game.
>>724765413>tremereYou don't like poking and slapping niggas to death?
>>724797419I just try to raise everything up equally together. >guns or melee>wits, stamina, dodge>lockpicking, hacking, socialProbably just pick one from a group to raise, then next time another group, repeat. Main thing is just make sure you steadily raise offense and defense stats since combat gets harder, don't neglect those and you should mostly be fine.
>>724797496could've been entertaining if there was actually some feedback to it but it just feels like watching animations playing rather than actually hitting anything
>>724797419I can't speak for everyone, but I have two presuppositions:1) VTMB isn't a difficult game;2) Roleplaying is more important than optimization.I pick one discipline that I boost to level 5. Then, I either boost a second discipline to 4, or raise both of the other disciplines to 3. For example, as a Gangrel, I would do Protean 5 / Fortitude 4, because Protean and Animalism don't mesh. Meanwhile on Brujah I could do Potence 5 / Celerity 3 / Presence 3, or if I'm using firearms Celerity 5 / Presence 4.Let's say I want to play as a Ventrue. I start with two points in Social and one in Mental. I know that I won't be able to easily feed on random people or prostitutes, so I want to raise my Appearance to get access to blood dolls. Now, do I want to raise Charisma for Persuasion, or will I be using Domination as my main discipline and want to take Manipulation instead? That's a choice you could make. Mental gives me access to Perception for Firearms, but the shotgun is serviceable enough and only requires Ranged Combat 5. Intelligence means I can access Research to use skill books to get more abilities, but do I want to invest into "useless" abilities to raise dots? What if I'm playing a low humanity Ventrue (like with the Diabolic history) and want Intimidation instead of Persuasion or Domination for conversation? Wits allows for Hacking and Combat Defense, but how important is all that extra defense if I had decided to take Fortitude 5 / Presence 4?Looking at the abilities, I could do that low humanity run and boost Intimidation and Subterfuge (again, I want blood dolls), but then what about my Dodge and Combat Defense? Firearms seems like such an obvious choice, but if it's easy to find skill books and trainers to meet the minimum for the shotgun, do I want to invest in Security instead to just bypass fighting altogether? If I'm using ammo, Finance seems like a no-brainer, but what about Scholarship for my Persuasion?Just go with whatever. Have fun.
>>724793281
>>724756590>Patches are probably going to address some of the worst pain pointsOh, good. Maybe the patch will fix FUCKING EVERYTHING ABOUT THE GAME. Got me convinced, you shilly billy.
>>724756397>V5 lore retardation but without the same gravitas given to the actual lore so it's neither so prevalent it's interesting or so absent it can be ignored>Serviceable but boring melee-focused gameplay but without any of the cool visceral shit that made other melee-centric games like Dishonored or Vermintide good>Terrible level design>Mediocre aesthetics and range>Vampires only>Thinbloods are boss-tier without any of the shit that made them coolish in v5>12 hours of gameplay with no consequences for the MC and 1 hour of gameplay with actual RPG-choice selection>like 5-6 hours of walking segments playing a Malkavian that isn't actually delusional>DLC will be two literal who's that are barely in the gameYeah, it's kind of ass. If it didn't have VTM attached to it it'd be like a 5
>>724799991people have been saying patches will save the game even before it released lol they know it's shit
>>724799991How are they even going to patch the things that players actually get annoyed over like the lack of RPG mechanics or the game being linear as hell with any setpiece being Earthblood tier>sneak around till you fuck up>moshpit murdering
>>724788829I believe every word of this man's post
>>724797419The game unfortunately has moments where it shoves you into enemy spam combat that you NEED to be prepared for or you're going to want to kill yourself but it doesn't happen before downtown, so essentially it's best to focus early on in>lockpicking>computer>either intimidation or persuasion>your choice of discipline though I don't recommend pumping more than 2 as they're expensiveHaving a flawed character is part of the game experience so I'd recommend focusing on doing a couple of things really well and leaving the others for another character. Around downtown though you should start investing in either guns, melee weapons, or unarmed. They're all viable but gunplay sucks until later levels in it. Also, never pump physical stats except stamina, bloodbuff defaults you to 5 instead of adding stats and it lasts long enough to lockpick or fight
>>724777181Combat is a joke though; why bother? You can dodge and attack in such quick succession you can become and invincible kicking blur. No bland powers needed.The game sucks, which is unfortunate, and will be forgotten by history for being utterly mediocre.
>>724797419Choose 1 combat style and 1 social style to fucus on depending on your character, then lockpicking > computer to make your life easier.
>>724767079More polished does not mean better
>>724793281This is the lowest of the low hanging fruit bait I've seen you post, shill.Nobody cares about the Hardsuit Labs version; it doesn't exist. 1 is a cult classic; your feeble attempt at a sequel is a failure and no amount of revisionist history posting will change either fact.
>>724756397It's trash.I told myself I'd rush to the end to see the big story revelation but I'm bleeding motivation with every minute played.It's the kind of game that makes you replay the 3 exact same fetch quests every night and takes your "No" as a yes in conversations.
>>724768376>Posts a Toreador vampire doing their textbook manipulation schtickSusan apologists are so fucking stupid
>>724793281>70.000
>>724801326What?
>>724769165>making a game where you're a super elder vampire is fucking retarded anywaysFunny thing is that for an elder Phyre is on the younger side not to mention the double digit generationWhen Paradox was promoting the whole "unleash your elder" tripe I thought we were getting a 7th gen 800 year old monster.
>>724801223Find the source of the fucking what?
>>724776113Since parries are tied to dash they are clunky as shitIt only takes 1 retarded ghoul to bump into you from the side to veer you off course.
it still cracks me up how cain was smarting off to God almost immediately
>>724778178V20 was already very accessible and easy to get into, I don't understand the thought process behind making V5 even more retard friendly
>>724801223you don't need to do the sidequests
>>724802142you don't need to play the game
>>724797419just look at the Feats tab on your character sheet, decide what you want to be good at and raise the related attributes and skillsyou'll want to be capable in combat because the game has non-optional combat sequences so pick one combat skill with the related attributeso long as you stick to one combat style, you'll have ample point left for non-combat skillspersonally i'd prioritize brawling over melee and guns (clan dependent) and hacking over lockpicking if you're really worried, you can also read a guide about free skill increases and skill books
>>724801506Phyre is at leas 8th gen or lower, not quite giga elder but old enough to be one. It's just sucky that the setting doesn't lean into your character being an out of touch boomer psychopath nearly as much as it should for playing an "elder"There's a case to be made that PC Elder vampires should be struggling with losing their humanity a lot more than fledglings and there's a strong story avenue there, but playing a sympathetic monster takes good writing skills that no one that has dared to touch V5 really has except for the CYOA people and the rest of them rightfully lean against it towards more of a Machiavellian or Retribution styled plot
>>724802259if you just want to know the story, you don't need to do the sidequests
>>724802318>hacking over lockpickingYou can certainly skip dex for lockpicking and perception if you have auspex, but I think lockpicking ends up being much more relevant than hacking overall
>>724802318>personally i'd prioritize brawlingonly really works for gangrel. unarmed helps with feeding during combat but otherwise gets outclassed by melee weapons except for protean gangrel.
>>724769358>You simply go through everyone>They try to divert you, they fail, again and again, and you just don't careHow can that possibly make for an interesting political intrigue story though? A character who doesn't need to care or fear almost anything is boring, only works as a NPC.
>>724802432>Phyre is at leas 8th gen or lowerHe seems to be on the same tier as Smiling Jack which is 10th gen
>>724802142anon you do realize you're not making a good case for the game therebtw that bitch is a they / them
>>724803024Just because I posted a picture, doesn't mean I love the game, also I don't care, it's cute and petite, it's gettting the D.
>>724756397It's just a Thief or Dishonored style game with a VTM varnish on it. You play it if you want, beat it, and then that's it.The reason people went back to the first game is because it had an atmosphere you wanted to be in. They wanted the first game to be a better game, and have more in it. The second game doesn't have that vibe, so it's forgettable.
>>724802893That's interesting, I could believe that too. I don't want to be a fag about evidence though but how do you figure? I assume the fact that Phyre gets access to a lot of relatively crazy discipline abilities would mean they would be able to get at least 6 dots
>>724803179>Thief or Dishonored styleIf only anon, then the game would actually be good
>>724803290What you're talking about is execution, it's clearly inspired by that style of game, skulking about from point to point
Playing 2 now for the first time. Once you get a hang of the combat, it's pretty fun. I'm Lasombra so teleporting around in shadows, biting everyone and then vanishing again is fun. Downsides so far are the fucking awful lack of save system, clan reactivity and I hate how stupid a lot of the outfits are.
>>724802551i'd argue it works well with potence as well but then potence affects melee weapons tooyou really do need unarmed for combat feeding which is why i think it's a good first timer choiceon your second run when you know what you're doing you can juggle 2 combat skills, 3 even
>>724803379I didn't love Lasombra, and I wanted to. In the end Banu Haqim is probably the better fit for a stealth play through.
>>724792534cuz he know he got a weight problem an' he just don't give a fuck
>>724803502Yeah they are and I also I think they're a better fit for Phyre as their accent could pass as middle eastern which is their schitck.
>>724802893jack is more powerful than the average vampire at his level
>>724803179>a Thief or Dishonored style gamelollmaoat best it's a Telltale game with some tacked on barebones stealth brawling nobody wanted to make and nobody enjoys playing
>>724803701He's from Constantinople from the 17th century, so that would be the Ottoman empire.
>>724803502>>724803701I played Banu Haqim and tried to go for stealth for th emost part, but their skills are not that good for it outside of invisiblity and I hate invisiblity because it's just boring, I got the blink from toreador because it's more fun to reposition than just go invisible.
>>724803378>clearly inspired by that style of gameWell yes but the core design principle is a bit different. The level design doesn't actually support that type of gameplay and your inability to use abilities for OOC purposes. I suppose you're right that this falls into execution but the game from the ground up just uses that style of game as a loose reference and not a real guide
If you could have a videogame for any of the splats, which one would you pick and what would the game be like?
>>724804269VTM, I would like a sequel to Bloodlines.
>>724804269I'll cheat and say that I would love for a CDPR Exalted game.
>>724804269Said it before and I'll say it again. Disco Elysium like CRPG isometric VtM game. I know there is that one in dev hell but it looks shit.
>>724804494what year would you want it to take place, this newest game has it set pretty recently, right? I assume it's set in the 2020s?
>>724803379I started as a Tremere and while it was fun watching enemies explode into bloody bits I felt pretty weak and relied a lot on Ventrue powers I had unlocked. Started again as a Ventrue and it's leagues better. I dunno if I have the tolerance to do another full playthrough but I am tempted to try the other clans. Wish the save system was better so I wouldn't have to fear losing progress on the playthrough I'm currently on.
>>724804782>Wish the save system was better so I wouldn't have to fear losing progress on the playthrough I'm currently on.They are bringing out a revised save system in a future update. Hold on future playthroughs until thats done.
Since when are Assamites justice-obsessed champions of the downtrodden?Is this the game's shitty writing or V5's?
>finally get to play as a Lasombra in a video game>it's the absolute worst>no Obtenebration because V5 is retarded>none of the Clans have a weakness anymoreFigures.
>>724804269>>7248045832nd a Disco-like. Hell, you can do a Disco-like for literally every splatbook as even Werewolf is roleplay-focused before combat. Failing that I think>Wraith isometric rpg>Huntard soft-horror like Nocturne>Changeling Dishonored/Imsim> Werewolf dating sim I think the game that would blow over the best is still a Bloodlines sequel but I think something akin to Planescape: Torment with any splat but especially Vampire would be kino of the highest order
holy shit you're literally playing Luigi for the guy
>>724804935V5 clans still have weaknesses except fucking Tremere again but they didn't make it into Bloodlines 2
>>724805143and someone was trying to say vtmb2 is completely detached from human cares and is super dark vampire only
>>724756397>no RPG elements>choices do not matter at all>no clan-specific dialogue>every clan can learn every ability so clan choice doesn't actually matter>combat is janky and repetitive>parkour system barely functions>city is empty and bland, NPCs have like 3 canned lines, everything looks the same, and there's nothing to find>masquerade violations do no matter at all, it's basically the GTA wanted system>animations are fucking atrocious>writing is fucking atrocious>Fabien sections are among the worst in gaming history, walking sims where you go from Point A to Point B and you're forced to click on every dialogue option or it won't let you exit the conversation>the "side quests" consist of: a fetch quest, a kill quest, and a track and kill quest>you CANNOT SAVE THE GAME AT ANY POINT>no fast travel at all (which wouldn't be a problem if the map was actually interesting to traverse)>4-5 enemy types>no inventory, no gear, no weapons>boring, forgettable soundtrack>nothing silly that you can do that makes the world feel more alive, like dancing in clubs, getting approached by a random NPC who claims to recognize you, etc>no blood meter>feeding doesn't run the risk of killing the target, you just click the feed button and watch the cutscene playIt's unironically one of the worst games ever made.
>>724805247the devs claimed that you would never do anything that a human would in their game becaue you are le super speshul elder snowflake, they lied about that too, you are just a courier and assassin
>>724805143>>724805247AND WHEN YOU FINISH THE QUEST NIKO SAYS HE'S GIVING YOU A MAGIC ITEMBECAUSE WHEN THEY CUT QUEST THEY FORGOT THE GAME DOESN'T EVEN HAVE ITEMS ANYMORE
I hate this game, but I hate the "people" who are claiming to enjoy it more. If you actually do enjoy it, I hate you more than anything and I genuinely think you deserve to die.
>>724805415>>724805247It's more like your character is very detached from Humanity but you keep getting roped back in by your retarded coworkers
>>724805330>>parkour system barely functionsit's janky and uninvolved, but it does workhard agree with everything else, though
>>724805846It works sometimes, and then sometimes it just doesn't. It also doesn't really feel good to use even when it does what it's supposed to. I'd ask if the devs ever played Dying Light, but of course they didn't.
>>724804782>>724804874if there was a way to skip Fabien altogether I'd replay it
>>724805079damn, yeah that would be cool
>>724805953They're supposedly adding that but the entire game sucks fucking cock and balls so that doesn't really change much.
>>724805953That’s also in a future patch
>>724804583Probably could've had that with Fabien but that's a ship sailed.
>>724805914>It also doesn't really feel good to use even when it does what it's supposed to.yeah, that's the bad partit's not cool or interestingyou just hold space to get to the next linear conversation faster
>>724805330>no blood meterwait, seriously? isn't that like the first thing to do for a vampire gameplay? even the shittiest vampire mods for tes games and such had that
>>724806193The blood meter is replaced by each ability having individual "pips" that you can refill by feeding, using potions, or getting passives that regenerate a certain type of ability. They can have as few as one pip to as many as five from what I saw.
>>724805953>>724806008says a lot that they're making the most crucial plot device of the game skippable to make it a little less shit to play
Remember when that guy kept pushing the idea that the combat in vtmb2 is incredibly complex with tons of different types of attacks and ways to approach defeating enemies?You guys make me laugh sometimes still.
>>724802893jack is 9th becket is 8th jack is 400 years old beckett is 1820's beckett is a pussy jack has dots in a bunch of shit he has a legit character sheet if you wanna look at it search the white wolf wikicalling a 8th gen an elder is retarded but the again v5 goes up to what gen 15 now jfc
>>724763251>randomly click in the video>sounds like someone ripping a fat fartlmao
>>724804917They always had a stick up their ass, but I think V5 gave them the compulsion towards justice
>>724756397>Was Bloodlines 2 really that bad?>400 year old vampire survives in sunlightyou tell me
>>724806052Yeah though Fabien isn't really enough of a disastrous nutcase to properly engage with both the world and the character drama. Disco in particular works so well because you play Harry, not in spite of playing Harry>>724805967We might get something with the non-game jam version of the VtM disco-clone, but the dev himself said it's in dev hell unfortunately
Even the devs said it was going to be total ass, what do you think?
>>72480638216th gen, though they're indistinguishable from thinbloods
>>724806296They already gave you the ability to fast forward with the sprint button so they fucking knew it was a tedious slog of shit.
I will never let people live down defending this game because Fabio is one of the most poorly written and poorly delivered character's I've heard in recent gaming, unironically. Fucking quirky reddit chungus le funny maymay boy xd in a "dark vampire game" holy shit man. It's not even that it's woke it's that it was likely written by a 14 year old fat bitch.
>>724806489do blood bonds still exist in V5?i thought the drinking vampire blood to unlock abilities you forgot thing was weird enough, but the game insists you drink 4 times from each primogen to unlock their tree and there's no way to comment on that
>>724806337That guy's name was Sandoosh Suckfart.
>>724806789Yeah blood bonds still exist the game just doesn't give a shit
>>724806596they did?>>724806728try 45 year old fat bitch14-year-olds have a sense of what's cool and what isn't
>>724805169No, I meant that in the sense that in the game, the Nomad doesn't show any clan weakness whatsoever.
>>724806789Yes it does but I think the devs may have forgotten about it, blood bonds are a mechanic in Night Road (another V5 game) and the other VNs/CYOA
>>724793304Redemption is the best. Ever since I first played it in 2002 it got a special place in my heart. Bloodlines was ok too but not even close. Bloodlines 2 is just sad.
>>724806382Elder status has nothing to do with generation.When V1 Chicago by night is published, Damien is a 6th gen neonate that has just been embraced by Critias, while Lucian is two millenia old 8th gen elder.This isn't comic book power level bullshit.>>724806789Yes but they enshrined the old "must be drinking directly from the tap" rule, which I think helps preventing some stupid abuses.>>724806728That's the point, what you're witnessing is the child-like persona the character projects to protect against his own trauma.Like it or not (I don't much myself), it's at the very least fitting to purpose.
>>724807090>it's bad on purposeShut the fuck up retard.
>>724807090Worthless fucking shill, abort yourself.
>>724806382>jack is 9th
>>724793281MASQUERADE VIOLATION
>>724806895this is so shittythere's already a gameplay mechanic in place that explains how you unlock the abilities, it's that 4 humors shitif they really wanted the disciplines to be unlockable at at trainers, they should've just made them say " okay now let me show you how it's done" and that would've been fine
>>724804917Via Sanguinus (Road of Blood)10: Acting impulsively in any situation.9: Allowing actions to be dictated by emotion.8: Succumbing to Frenzy.7: Failing to diablerize an unworthy vampire.6: Acting cowardly or dishonorably5: Allowing the unworthy to go unpunished4: Showing weakness before the unworthy3: Failing to honor an oath2: Submitting to the will of an unworthy prince or elder1: Becoming oathbound to a CainiteHe might very well be on a modern version of it. If not he's clearly aping or was selected by a vamp with similar thinking. He might be more human in his thinking but there are definitely old school Assamites that are all about being undead judges of the unworthy. Supposedly that's what Haqim was all about.
>>724793281This might be the lowest effort bait I have ever seen on the Internet. Holy fucking shit bait.
>>724807119That's not what I said you dumb fuck but I understand nuance is hard to come by when lacking a proper education and the upbringing that only decent parents could have offered.
>>724783702>amrita achariasaar...
>>724807432>shill instantly spergs out and starts projectingBetter talk to your supervisor about how to do your job more efficiently, Ranjeep.
>>724803213> I don't want to be a fag about evidence though but how do you figure? AFAIK Phyre doesn't have any discipline above lvl 5 and his attribute scores don't seem that high either considering he gets manhandled by ghouls and thinbloods. His only notable feat being decapitating Campbell while frenzying.
>>724807432That's literally what you said. You said his annoying personality quirks are intentional, written as a face for him to hide his trauma. That doesn't change anything you stupid faggot. Do you know why that doesn't work as a writing tool? Because it's not compelling, it has no depth, it's surface level and embarrassing. It's even more embarrassing that you're defending this so hard and so poorly.
>>724806942Yeah seems so. They also don't give you any clans that have real clan weaknesses that would matter in a setting without your ST incorporating it. You can't use technology anyway so Lasombra have no weakness for instance, and if you are Toreador or Ventrue you're apparently the most functional one because you never have an autistic fit over not getting your tendies
>>724807406>2: Submitting to the will of an unworthy prince or elderthat's intriguingthanks
>>724807638hm. Good point
>>724807638the book with "elder powers" came after this game was finished
>>724807567I don't think what's the saddest, that some of you are actually desperate and insignificant enough to want to believe you're talking to paid shills or bored and uncreative enough to keep pretending you are.>>724807639Yes, I said it looks like surface level because it's meant to look like surface level. /The issue lies elsewhere/. You'll also notice I said I don't much like it but let it not detract from your daily self-enforced Two Minute Hate.
>>724805143>>724805514Why is a vampire giving a shit about human healthcare? What?
>>724808007No excuse considering they still had all of V20 to take from
>>724808068>SAR YOU ARE NOT DOING THE NEEDFUL SAAAAR>KINDLY LEAVE FIVE STAR RECEIPT OF BLOODLINES 2 DEAR SAAAAAAAAAR
>>724808068>I don't think what's the saddestGood morning sar.
>>724808068>I said it looks like surface level because it's meant to look like surface level. This means nothing, you're communicating words that have no idea or meaning behind them. It's surface level because it's meant to be surface level. It's bad because it's meant to be bad. You're saying the same thing I am but then immediately saying "I disagree". >/The issue lies elsewhere/The issue lies everywhere. You not calling a spade a spade and pretending there's invisible "other" reasons it's "ok kinda bad I don't like it but cmon man it's not BAD" is such low IQ, contrarian faggotry. >but let it not detract from your daily self-enforced Two Minute Hate.Cry me a river retard
>>724808091Young vampires (fledglings and neonates) still have attachments to their mortal life and care for the same things they did before.The stupid part is having this guy be a primogen but I guess it comes with the whole Elder mass migration bullshit that V5 introduced
>>724808068>how dare people criticize a game on /v/>shills? what? no, never, never happened ever on /v/hownew.ru?
>>724808446Primogen is dependent on more than just raw power, could be a result of an intricate web of everyone hates everyone else or no one wants to take the job. But the Beckoning is the most likely culprit yes
>>724808446Nines and Damsel were properly written modern vampires that just changed their rebel nature to rebel against the vampire equivalent.
>>724808174>>724808279>>724808323Sad. Really, really sad. Your parents were serious fuckups, huh?
>>724808323Diagnostic confirmed, no sense of nuance.Not like you need it anyway.>>724808446You can also I guess put it on him being Assamite - a very recent Camarilla inclusion and more importantly I guess the only representant of his clan in the city. At which point the Primogen title is purely honorific and/or a scam to force him into working functions for the sect.Keep in mind also, despite the name, the Primogen of a given city isn't necessarily the oldest representative of his clan in the city, nor the one with lowest generation.
>>724808768>>724808828>no argument>so upset the passfag shill responded twice
>>724756397It's an okay game, it's not great as a successor to bloodlines 1, I think everyone can agree on that part. Basically, if you have the famous triangle, with "Story" on top "Gameplay" on the right corner, and "RPG Elements" on the left, bloodlines 2 falls fully on maxxed out towards story, and dipping more into gameplay at the cost of RPG elements. For instance: Masquerade violations are a total joke. You need to collect blood types to unlock off-clan abilities, and you COULD lure NPCs into an alley to suck them, OR you could just bite someone right on the street, skip the whole annoying luring bit, get a masquerade violation warning and then scale up the nearest building and wait literally 5 seconds out of sight for the warning to go below red and repeat. The mere fact that you can get all clan abilities also means you don't really feel like you are one specific clan, outside of a couple "We from clan [clan] do things like this" mentions. I'm not a lore guy so somebody else tell me if elders can learn off-clan abilities if they drink vamp blood. Why you couldn't be gangrel is beyond me as well, it would have fit perfectly in this. What really annoys me are the faggots who see issues like this and go: "fucking UNPLAYABLE waste of time, 0/10, do not play, fuck this game, fuck everyone, kill yourself", Do you really approach games that way? You see a couple flaws and you declare that you shouldn't play ever? Do you only play fucking flawless games? the game is like a 6 or 7 out of 10. High marks on the story, high marks on the vibes, low marks on the RPG stuff. It's perfectly fine and fun to play through once and then let it sit and play a different clan in 6 months or so, when they introduced the "skip fabian" button.
>>724808909>a couple of flaws>>724805330
>>724808909Sar you are being very correct sar! This Bloodlines 2 masterpiece is 10/10 sar! Kindly do the needful and make the preferred purchase for 60$ and also for the upcoming DLC sar!
>I'm a strong independent vampire I don't any stupid g-ACK
>>724808697Modern is a strong word for Nines, wasn't he close to 100 years old in the 2000's?Regardless what I meant to say that some vampires are more hesitant to let go of their mortal ideals once embraced. Like how Christoff spent a good chunk of the middle ages moping how he was turned into a monster away from God's light.
>>724808909Honestly, I think the only real reason for no Gangrel is no protean. The devs seemingly didn't really want to have to deal with form change and removing it basically meant removing the clan for all intent and purpose.
>>724809453Yeah, it tracks. Probably the same reason why they unceremoniously killed the only Gangrel in the game off screen despite teasing some sort of mission where you two work together.
>>724809185Lore accurate shotgun power
Kek, the shill ran.
V5 is not bad in itself, the elements people cry about the most were introduce to fix problems in the setting that people have been crying about since forever.-Tremere pyramid; people wanted to have blood magic, but not be bound to an obviously retarded power structure that only the tremere player would really care about and just annoy other players-beckoning; vampire politics was literally a mmo where the longest you've been around the more powerful you were and there was no mobility at all, getting some of the oldfarts out allows for a vacuum of power and subsequent power struggles between people on a more equal footing.-second inquisition; vampires controlled everything, the masquerade was a suggestion, it was x-men at night, now vampires are scared and hiding again, personal horror is back and you gave an excuse to not let your players use cellphpnes to solve all plotsRules for feeding and frenzy are better, the usage of disciplines are better.
>>724809226>Modern is a strong word for Nines, wasn't he close to 100 years old in the 2000's?yeah he mentions being alive during the great depression
>>724809081Yeah, I think I covered most of that in saying that the RPG elements are disappointingly missing / reduced. Even talked about what a joke the Masquerade system in specific is, and the story even draws attention to it, by mentioning how every human has a camera now. Yet, you can freely do a whole bunch of vampire shit out in the open, and nobody cares as long as you run away before the red warning is all the way full. I kinda disagree with the parkour being bad, it's fine. It just works a bit different than you might expect. I have a love/hate relationship with the Fabian sections, They're very fun, and enjoyable aside from the fact that they make you run across the entire city with no parkour so you spend MINUTES just fucking walking, which sucks unbelievable amounts of ass. I would also add to the list that not only does feeding not risk a kill, even if you do kill the human after the feed, it does not really matter at all. Fabian will just remark on it. But again: You can list any games flaws (or things you hoped for) like this, and pretend like that makes it terrible, and having played it, I don't think it is terrible. Yeah it doesn't have what the post (or I) mentioned, and that's a shame, but it's still fun to play through. >>724809453Makes sense to me. But considering you are first person locked anyway, all they would have to do is give you different arms and lower the camera or something, lmao. I would have loved to play as Gangrel.
>>724808768>>724808828>he's paying to shitpost
>the shill came back after he saw me post about him fleeingKEK!
>>724809869(You)
>>724797419VTMB encourages going wide early on because there aren't really any stat checks higher than 4 besides some lockpicking that you can meet with blood buff anyway, and there are a ton of free skill points you can get through books and dialogue choices. You don't really need to specialize in a combat skill for a long time considering how many stealth missions the game hits you with early on, how easy the early combat encounters are, and how shitty all the early game weapons are regardless of stat investment.
>>724810102arguments found: zero
I liked it
>>724810382>there aren't really any stat checks higher than 4In the early game, I mean.
>>724809869As an old school DM, the biggest problem with the Pyramid is that it was either perfectly non--existent in game or, if you actually played it realistically, it was so oppressive that most players ressented it.Running both V5 and V20 concurrently, I'll say this: V5 brings a few significant issues but most of what people scream against is Revised "The gangrel are all leaving the Camarilla at once" level of retardation at worst; easy to ignore or amend for one's game.The deeper issues are harder to deal with though, because at their core they're changes that magnify fractures within the player-base.>>724809704All I can do at this point is repeat myself: if you're not trolling, please do get help. This is sad.
>>724810642>All I can do at this point is repeat myselfyea
>>724810393You don't deserve an argument. You deserve nothing but Final Death.Your very first line>the elements people cry about the most in contrast with the where the fuck did yo get this shit examples shows such a complete disconnect with anything anyone else thinks that you're not even worth trolling. t. Has been running Rein Hagen shit since it was Lion Rampant.
what would a true vtmb sequel even be about
>>724810420oh God the knockoff Deb is horriblegood thing there's literally 1 place in the whole game you can hear her
>>724810769Maybe not quite as futuristic as this but more about vampires vs technology than VtMB was. Jack tells you about modern technology making things harder but it doesn't actually come into play that much.
>>724809869>v5 is not bad in itselfSure, but the game still lost a lot of what made the setting immersive in the transition to V5. Said allowance of social mobility for the vampire by killing off elders just replaced them with ancillae and ordinarily you would think it'd lower the oppressive tone the game has with your character basically being a stronger player comparatively but the thinblood focus also lowers your power level. It's just making the game worse and less flavorful for no reason
>>724808909>game is mostly story>story is irredeemable dogshitHow can you say vtmb2 is above anyones contempt if it falls completely flat in every way compared to a game from 2004. No one wants to play a shameless cashgrab of a sequel to a beloved game you clown.
>LA>New York>Boston>SeattleWhen will yurop get a VTM game that's not Blood Hunt
>>724810868Her voice is so terrible I never stuck around to listen to the radio at all.
>>724805330100% agreed on all counts save the parkour system; it's functional and can flow well, but rarely does.
>/v/ meets Phyre
>>724805330>>no clan-specific dialogueThere is but it's pointless fluff, same with occasional callouts from characters. Lou called me a stuck up Banu a few times
>>724810769whatever the lead writer comes up with after browsing the WW wiki, or God forbid, a VtM sourcebookthe problem with this game isn't that the main story is about an Ottoman Turk getting netorare'd by a menahera ugly fat basdard, or that the story isn't connected to VtMBit's that there's nothing to do in it, it's just an interactive (if we're being generous) story told through conversations where your choices don't matter and flashbacks where you have no choice at all
>>724756590buy an ad
>>724811369will the game reveal why Lou did this to him? or how he started talking to people after all that time?
>>724810903V5 is also not good in itself. You clearly see the loss of team members who knew their fucking Bullfinch and Joseph Campbell from memory, and the priorities of who came in for v5.The old guard made Mage the Ascension. The new guard caused a diplomatic incident in eastern europe that got the entire company gutted.>>724810769Are you stuck with v5? I mean conceptually it's simple. The hardest part is that you want to be able to have a character that could be as many of the vamp types as possible. You have vampries running around the city. You want some depth so it's not just a fighting or shooting game. The social aspects of the various vamp factions that sometimes work together, sometimes double deal, sometimes triple deal. You want some combat options, and some social options. You want SOME of the other splats showing up, like werewolves. Maybe even a mage or fey. And of course the inquisition. And keeping the masque.So, what stories are you telling with those lines and constraints? There's a full decade of good work from the setting you could go with as well.>>724811294A walking simulator with parkor seems like not such a bad idea. This isn't it though.
Swansong is 85% off on Steam currently. Is it irredeemable dogshit or worth it at that price to scratch the vtm/wod itch?
>>724756590Thanks chat gpt.
>>724768343>ITT: some failed millenial writer trying to gaslight us that his “game” (wannabee moviescript/novella) isn’t actually dogshit
>>724811780Hey, at least it's not a >Gehenna seems like not such a bad idea right now. option like some of the RP discords that they could draw from.And the problem is that the development bears the curse of Cain.
*wipes out sabbat pack*heh, nothing personnel... blanks
>>724812085Why does the front and center hunter look a lil vampy
>>724812182Autism
>>724811951Well, first it's v5 writing, and if you go in expecting VTMB, or anything close, you will want a refund. It's not a detective game. It's mostly a poltical vn. It's janky. It has shit VA. It got clubbed in the head, so last half quality falls off a cliff into a concrete parking lot.Remember that it's 6.6 from the critics with the homo bonus, and 3.8 from the people for a reason.When I say jank, I mean a vn without save, reload and fast forward. I'll let you decide if that meets low standards or is irredemable.>>724809869LOL.>>724812182He drank some vitae on his way out. It's just for the performance. He can stop anytime he wants. Really.
>>724756397yes
>>724812182>>724812807Damn hunters needing to dope to compete with superior vampiric specimens
>>724812085Having an SF team that is specialized for urban warfare kick donw my door would be pretty scary, vampire or not.
>>724769245>I remember everything about a game I played in the last 72 hours
>>724812085>New hunters are just spooks and SF teamsNever forget the TRUE Inquisition
>>724813725Most work hunters do is just detective works ant pattern recognition to find leech, then they go full SF team preferably during day.Times changed now you don't need to use plebs with pichfork and torches to swarm something stronger and faster than human, now we have highly skilled soldiers with automatic weapons loaded full of incendary ammo that allow to fina death vampires from safeish distance.
>>724813725Amen
>>724810642>All I can do at this point is repeat myselfSaying the same objectively incorrect thing (the game is a 6-7/10) over and over won't suddenly make it true.
>>724814478Said german monk is using modern sniper rifle and have bunch of military guns using assault rifles and landmines against kindred.
>>724756424>>724756486chad
>>724814943Welcome to the Society of Leopold AKA the original inquisition. Faith power combine with moder weapons and no mercy for any supernatural.
>>724810917Because the story is not at all irredeemable dogshit? It's a good story. Entertaining, got some twists, you get some light infuences on how it ends. I'm saying calling it irredeemable dogshit is clear hyperbolic nonsense. It's fine. It's not amazing but it's perfectly fine. The story is actually a very entertaining one, it's mostly that people who played bloodlines 1 want the immersive sim experience, and this has zero immersive sim elements. It's a different beast. Honestly the biggest Flaw is calling this "Bloodlines 2" because it isn't fucking bloodlines 2, it has fuck and all to do with bloodlines, the only similarity is playing in first person in the WoD world. They should have called this: "Vampire: The Masquerade: Sword of Caine" or some bullshit. People would have still compared it to bloodlines, but it would have more distance, instead of calling itself a bloodlines sequel, which understandably brings certain expectations.
>>724765653Feels like it was written by a teenager on a regimen of marvel movies and reddit posts.
>>724812085I understand people's aversion to the sort of HFY, Goblin Slayerification of supernatural settings stripping them of their menace, but given the masquerade exists to begin with I think it's kind of necessary to have some degree of recentish threat scenario to justify it.As usual the execution is what's key, and something showy like this ain't it.
is there anywhere to buy a key for this game for really cheap? it doesn't really seem worth $60 and g2a only has it for $50
>>724811902Gideon was good with puzzles and he had figured out that Lou was using Campbell as the rebar killer. She did it out of spite because she's an evil bitch.
>>724815592Nigger if you're willing to buy a key from a third party site that's operating on shady buisness, just fucking pirate it at that point. None of the money you pay for that key is gonna get to the dev anyway, so why go through the effort?
The atmosphere is just incredible.
>>724815723i want it on steam cuz it's easier setup
>>724815592Buy some cheap VPN subscription and buy it on GOG's website. Use Argentina for the cheapest price. Worked for me. I preordered the premium for 52 USD.
>>724815796there's nothing easier than piratinggo to btdigg and search bloodlines rune
I should make a game….
>>724810883Every fucking VTM story is about the Masquerade coming to an end nowadays.
Just pirated and finished it. It was an extremely mediocre game. Took a lot of cues from boring modern game design. It was fun enough running around roof tops, but beyond that you never feel like a vampire and you interact with all of like, 2 humans. Mood was the one thing that people really love about the first, and they weren't able to do that. Shouldn't have been set in Seattle if they wanted snow, and there's too many people on the streets at night midwinter. If it was called anything else, people would've loved the game. Also the ending is bullshit since it relies on a pretty bad system of *NPC LIKED THAT*. If I say I want to take the city, I shouldn't see a side character take over.
>>724816340>It was fun enough running around roof tops, but beyond that you never feel like a vampire and you interact with all of like, 2 humans.That's deliberate. You interacted with even fewer before they added the Fabien sections.
>>724758795Wait til you get to the Underground :)
>>724812807But would you say Swansong is worth the 7.50 or the 9 bucks with dlc or just pirate it instead? A lot of anons seem to say the story and characters are actually pretty enjoyable
>>724816450I can only imagine how the DLC segments with Benny and the Negress will be, I imagine it'll be extremely linear though I hope it at least has a dedicated hub
>>724816973Swansong had DLC?
>>724763251That's really interesting, the game lacks its own composer or something. I swear I used to listen to Is It All Worth It in some Vampire the masquerades vibes video. This soundtrack is a mix of fart sounds and depression (I like it). The only problem is that the other OSTs like BELLTOWNS or EIDOLON carry the exact same mood as the formerly mentioned soundtrack, but sounds worse. Songs I like: Is It All Worth ItStill Got A PulseI gave up, I stopped listening to the soundtracks after Downtown theme. I think Downtown theme is the best in the game, but it's paying a homage to Rik Schaffer. The other songs are fucking generic and boring to listen to.
>>724817145There's only one story relevant DLC for 2 dollars everything else is either cosmetic or a minor gameplay addition, and a book/ost
>set game in 2025>everything looks and sounds like shitKINO
>>724817538ACKSHUALLY it's set in 2024
>>724817363Fuaaaaaaaaark this is where it's at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hu170IhZAk&list=PLBD52E8E1408D64B5Here's a game that prioritizes a rich experience above all else. It's the minor sounds that make the less impressive songs equally impressivehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrGmuInMc0o&list=PLBD52E8E1408D64B5&index=5Fight Club OST had the same sort of thing going onhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0Zj3AwG1IY&list=PL-1kvMPmp96rnsrJgwZrEdYfI7N8liSh0&index=2It allows the music to fade into the background so it doesn't take up your whole attention, but it's still really nice to listen to. They just don't make music like this anymore; it's all in your face nowadays
>>724812085Could you imagine if Paradox wrote in BOPE targeting innocent cartel vampires in Rio De Jainero due to the recent raids a la the "Chechens killing gays are actually vampires" incident?
>>724756486Based
>>724815592Just fucking pirate it you fat whore, it's not worth money.
>>724756397worse
>>724817597>Bloodlines 2 canonically happens in the same year where some retarded Wolves decide to spiritfuck the world with a wyrm spirit lobotomy, a Huntard group brings down a small army in Ireland, and different hunters commit creature murder on the west coast
>>724817624MadamMinty disables linking on other sites so you can't just watch it in the thread here, try to use another channel if you can. Seems kinda shitty to upload someone else's work and then set restrictions on where it can be used.
>>724817624They had the foundation of some of the best 90s music and made good use of it
>>724816340>and you interact with all of like, 2 humans.From what I understand that's actually not that unusual for the WoD Vampire setting. Remember there's a whole underground vampire society, and humans are mostly avoided as they are little more than food, and targets for manipulation for nefarious deeds. I'm not quite as harsh on the mood as you are, I've gotten into a nice vampire society mood playing it, liked the vibe. I've never been to seatlle so I can't say how many people run around at midnight on the streets but I assume that yeah, it's a bit exaggerated to work as a video game. It also clashes with the fact that they didn't have the budget to have cars drive around the city. I know they gave you a really dumbass in universe reason in the form of some sort of sewer maintenance or whatever, but really? The entire city block is banned from driving? That's downright asinine. >If I say I want to take the city, I shouldn't see a side character take over.I ran into a similar issue, where for political reason I played the suckup to everyone, with the goal to go: "Actually, fuck you all, I was playing along to see your plan" at the end, but I guess I gathered too many friend points, because despite saying "fuck you" at the end, Lou ended up in charge, lmao. >Should have had a different name.I agree, I said somewhere in this thread that if it was named Vampire: The Masquerade: Sword of Caine", then people wouldn't be quite as annoyed that this isn't an immersive sim experience. They would still be disappointed because it's the same franchise, but you can say: "It's a different type of game in the same world". With it being called Bloodlines 2, while I personally think the game is slightly above mediocre, and certainly not "unplayable, irredeemable trash" as some people call it, you really can't say much against the people who are upset that it lacks mechanics and Ideas Bloodlines 1 had.
>>724817527>cosmeticWasn't swansong a VN?
>>724817823Anon you need to stop putting these kinds of ideas out there, they're too goddamn funny
>>724817624https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUIODiXNCgQ>They just don't make music like this anymore; it's all in your face nowadaysEither that or it's ambient orchestral music that is just like white noise when playing and boring if you try to listen to it outside of the game
>>724817597Oh yeah? How about I fuck your tender little ass, nerd faggot, how about that?
>>724818435It's actually a weird CRPG with no combat, kind of like Disco
Behold my vampire killer
>>724784280>white people>churchthats for niggers
>>724817363>That's really interesting, the game lacks its own composer or something.It has four composers.Craig Stuart Garfinkle and Eímear Noone did most of the soundtrack.https://youtu.be/7cOHvYTZDWw?si=KA08gtn1IELf4ewAhttps://youtu.be/PTfMq7mHrTw?si=p0uvo2VJZHgGNu4hhttps://youtu.be/V74qf-Is3PA?si=Q18Qnx7VHG2uFEOMMike Lane was bought in for some primarily electronica tracks. https://youtu.be/G4sTBmdjDn8?si=5ht5p_LvEKWEp362Rik Schaffer's unused material from VTMB1 and his score for the cancelled version for VTMB2 was also used.>The only problem is that the other OSTs like BELLTOWNS or EIDOLON carry the exact same mood as the formerly mentioned soundtrack, but sounds worse. Those are Rik Schaffer tracks from the cancelled Bloodlines 2, and the reality is that they were trying to salvage deeply mediocre Schaffer material out of some sense of honoring his contributions to the series.
>>724817363>I swear I used to listen to Is It All Worth It in some Vampire the masquerades vibes videoIt's just an unsed song from the first game:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv8PJHMucc8I'm pretty sure the fan patch added it to some area.
>>724819093>some sense of honoring his contributions to the series.or because they thought it would encourage fans of the original to buy it and pay for the dlc jukebox lol
>>724819264It could come off as dickish if they didn’t use it desu. They were pretty much fucked no matter what because the game wasn’t good.
>>724819264No, this isn't about the jukebox. They shoehorned unused Schaffer material into the main game. Some of it is good, primarily the unused material from 1, but his work on 2 was always sub-par. He just wasn't vibing.Regarding the music in general, it's annoying that the themes don't loop. They really need to change it so that when you're just wandering around the hub as Phyre, it loops between different themes. Instead of becoming silent until the next combat encounter or whatever.
>>724817917>and different hunters commit creature murder on the west coastNet good if they killed v*mpires
>>724819093The decision to replace Schaffer with Garfinkle and Noone was absolutely the correct one. I wonder why Mike Lane was brought in, though. Maybe scheduling issues when they were retooling the story or something? There's also a number of tracks that aren't actually on the official soundtrack. Dunno who did those.
>>724819596vampires, ghouls, thinbloods, a wolf or too, maybe more. Game isn't out yet
>>724819596Why stop at vampires?
>>724818369The vibe, like everything else in the game, is merely serviceable. There were moments that were nice, but overall most of it goes unmemorable. It was lame as fuck how you had a bunch of Archons running shops though, you have nothing better to do with your time? No where more aesthetic for me to look at every time I have to return for another pointless fetch quest. That's another problem, the world was very lifeless, even inside clubs and biker bars. And it's uncanny watching NPCs mouths move while no background chatter was scripted, I noticed it in the Underground and was very bothered.
>>724819093It's so weird that are reusing his music from years ago, shit that was made from before the original game's release where it and the new tracks have completely different directions.Compare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUxHWxm_IBktohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCdOlcPY4P0
>>724820150>And it's uncanny watching NPCs mouths move while no background chatter was scripted,What's interesting is that NPC chatter was intended. There's stuff in the scripts for it. The glacier lobby is meant to have people chatting, as well as the police station. I don't know why the final game cut that.
>>724818846Hu, weird. I wonder why I filed it in my brain as a VN type game.
>>724820197A Sharp Mind is Garfinkle/Noone. Any track that has that Gibson guitar sound in it is Garfinkle. He built the entire soundtrack around it.https://youtu.be/8P09yNOlxWQ
>>724820382Sandeep and Ranjoop probably ran out of time.
>>724820382Probably because it's a lot of work to get it to not end up being annoying. VtMB had NPC chatter and it ended up in the final game for a lot of characters but a lot of it was intentionally cut because like for Fat Larry, you stand close enough to keep triggering it and he'll spam it while you're trying to buy/sell stuff. Or for the generic hub NPCs it gets annoying constantly hearing random chatter just because you walk near them. And since it's essentially just "fluff" it can be cut without a huge downside but saves time and money. I was actually working on custom systems for the random chatter in VtMB and it's workable but takes a lot of time.
>>724820550Interesting
>>724820480Disco is a sort of VN styled game as despite having genuine investigative work and gameplay in it ultimately you go from point A to point B and chat some dude up to move the plot along. Swansong is pretty much along the same boat so you could be mistaken for thinking it's a VN. It did release pretty close in date to the New York VNs
>>724820737I can definitely see that, but I feel like a compromise would have been letting the player press use on NPCs in these interior spaces to hear them exchange a line or two. It bothers me that these really atmospheric indoor spaces have no LIFE to them.
>>724821046That's basically what I was doing for some of the NPCs in VtMB. It actually worked pretty well, but it does take quite a bit more time compared to simply pointing the NPC to some dialogue lines to play.
>>724820150Archons? I think you mean Primogen, but I get what you mean anon. Personally, I can see it either way. Primogen are kinda "vampire officials" having them be owners of small buisnesses anchors them to the city, and it works better for some NPCs than others. Silky hanging out *in* his bar makes a lot of sense, Katsumi in her dive bar is good, because she's there sometimes, giving the impression that she does other shit, Mrs. Thorn makes a lot of sense because you get the vibe that she pulls a lot of strings from her position, hower Niko, and Fletcher feel like they're just kinda there not doing much. Oh and of course Ysabella with her club works pretty well as well. >LifelessYeah you feel a lot of that in the game actually. Can't dance at the clubs and bars, the NPCs are all hella static, nobody walks around. You can tell they were operating on a shoestring budget. Fabians biting scenes are not even animated, it just fades to black. That's a thing I haven't seen mentioned yet btw: People mentioned how you can't accidentally kills anyone drinking, stuff like that but what nobody has mentioned: When you bite somebody in bloodlines 1, a spotlight is put on you and your victim, everything else fades to black around you, and it creates this effect of the intensity and intimacy of the bite, how in the moment both vampire and victim forget the world around them, and all they know is the "kiss". Bloodlines 2 is kinda lacking that intimacy, and I think it could have been done really effectively. For instance I quite like how you hear heartbeats when you use vampire vision, remindung us how alluring human necks are for vampires walking around.
>>724819028it should have the mp5 collapsible stock at least
>>724792838Anon do you know who wrote redemption's story?Everywhere it says its the Greenberg jew, but I remember the lead writer was female. Wiki only says that he "co-written" it.
>>724822475That's funny because I was thinking that Niko scoping out targets from life stories of the desperate makes a lot of sense, but you're telling me the top warlock in the city is a barista?
>>724819762What game?
>>724756967VTMB threads will go back to normal once that slop of a game and everything around it dies out
>>724820737YO YO YOI'VE GOT DINOSAUR EGGSBUY 'EM AND HATCH 'EM
>>724823001I love his lines but hearing them every 5 seconds where he's interrupting himself each time when you're in the trade window gets so annoying
>>724822862Two new Hunter games, one of which is in Hollywood where you investigate some murders and apparently get rizzed up by some misunderstood supernatural creatures, and the other is a game where you play a Canadian hobo getting beat up by a vampire cop and murder some thinbloods or something. Both CYOA tho
2 was so bad it got me to finally try out pic related. Game's great
>>724823813I quite like it. Definitely a better vampire game than Chudlines Poo.
>>724822831It makes a lot of sense for the sidequests he gives, but I'm not deep in vampire lore: Do the Banu Haqim mettle much in mortal affairs? I understand them to be lawmen, judges etc, but I thought they cared more about law and assassination in the vampire world? As for "Top Warlock is a Barista", I guess from the quests I got the vibe, that due to her position there, she gets a lot of deliveries of important occult objects and such done. I dunno, maybe a Librarian would have been more fitting? Also, and this is fully unrelated, I was very annoyed that the one time we get into a different store, they have the menu from "Wake the dead" copied. Like really? Budget that tight you couldn't make a second board?Also on that note: while I think "wake the dead" and "Onions Division" are fun joke names for a hipster coffee place, that's REALLY not the vibe Mrs. Thorn gives off, AT ALL, and then if you look around the coffee shop, it's also not at all the vibe of the shop. It looks like a hella upscale place, with fancy seating, and shelves full of expensive looking books 'n shit. She and her shop look like upper class british snobbery, the name and logo of the shop as well as the drink names look like ironic hipster joke shit. Neither of which is bad on it's own but if you combine it, it clashes horribly.
>>724823887>>724823813The idea of tying your evilness into game difficulty is great but it's a fine line to walk between hard and tedious and the game failsCombat as a no-embracer just gets boring, though to be fair that's quite common with these souls-lites or whatever you wanna call them. Meanwhile if you embrace even just a few people, it becomes easy mode
>>724820737Crabnipple this aaaah crabnipple that whole lotta crab nipple.
>>724824046Regardless of the way you play it, it's still infinitely better made and more fun than VTMB2.
>>724824068Fuckin Cammies, I wanna KILL EM
>>724824235Shut up Damsel
>>724823813nah it's doshitthe writing and the characters are atrociousyour sister is the only good thing about the game
>>724824295>the writing and the characters are atrociousBut enough about Chudlines Poo.
>>724824162Of course. It has actual interesting dialogue, no quippy characters, great atmosphere, and a damn level/skill system. Most of the sidequests are fetch quests to be fair but at least they usually reveal something about the NPCsAnd I'll just reiterate how amazing the atmosphere is. Though the game is very depressing, with almost every NPC being down on their luck in a shitty poor town
>>724824349>Though the game is very depressingI remember having to break it up into smaller sessions sometimes because the atmosphere genuinely made me sad. Existing in that world would fucking suck.
>>724823813Hey I'm currently playing that, started before VTMB2 came out and paused it to play that trainwreck instead
>>724822475>That's a thing I haven't seen mentioned yet btw: People mentioned how you can't accidentally kills anyone drinking, stuff like that but what nobody has mentioned: When you bite somebody in bloodlines 1, a spotlight is put on you and your victim, everything else fades to black around you, and it creates this effect of the intensity and intimacy of the bite, how in the moment both vampire and victim forget the world around them, and all they know is the "kiss".it's also a gamified because whether you're able to let go depends on your willpower and humanity
>>724824417Lmao, anon cares about his mental health. Everyone point and laugh.
>>724824337anon vampyr is woke garbage too
>>724824524>LE WOKEAaaaand discarded.
>>724823813I'd recommend you to play Cyberpunk 2077 too.It's not about vampires, but in jankiness, mechanics, gameplay elements, dialogue options and atmosphere, it's the only game that resembles VTMB. Even the kino of using computers to unlock doors, turn of cameras or read goofy emails is there.
>>724824445>GEHV ME UR BLOD, PREESTStupid annoying bitch
>>724759148Dilate u little twerb
>can't suck off the abominations>instead there are healing potions every 3 steps all of a sudden in the undergroundsomeone passed game design school with flying colors
>>724771848So its literally >I dont care if you finish the game after you bought it??
>>724824454Never noticed that, because it was always easy as fuck to keep high humanity, lmao.
>>724823960Banu Haqim are Masquerade enforcers first and foremost, them and the Nos are supposed to be the ones actively hunting and stopping masquerade breaches, not so much meddling in the mortal world. They're independent as a clan though so as long as the job is generally being done there isn't much oversight other than the kickbacks to mentors. Probably the guy doing his own thing
>>724825086>fledgling achieves golconda in 3 nights
>>724824854In addition to the abomination spawning ground, the IAO forward operating base, and 3,000 year old Chinese temple all located within an enormous open air cavern directly underneath the floorboards of Lou's hotel, there's also uhh a bunch of thinblood alchemists living there too okay?!
>>724825086yeah it mostly comes into play if you deliberately rp as an out of control animalfrenzy is very difficult to trigger too, but it can happen
>>724825225>sneaking my way around the chinese temple>doing pretty well>accidentally fall down cause my dude didn't hold on to the edge of a roof>fall to ground level>like 10 fucking monsters spawn>just let myself get killed and do it over cause I'm not dealing with that
>>724825286>playing VTMB for the first time>just started>doing some sidequest>currently hacking a PC>used my last blood for bloodbuff before>suddenly VERY LOUD NOISES>my guy went into frenzy while in the PC menuscared the fuck out of me
>>724825430kek, magical moments in bloodlines going crazy from not preplanning
>>724824854The final boss fight is in a pool of blood, that you apprently absorb through your shoes, to regain your blood points. Funnily enough, just standing it it only gains you blood very very slowly, but doing a finisher move (not bite) gives you a ton. Go figure.
