Even supposed Thief fans tell you to use cheat codes to skip multiple shitty levels
>>724765431TruePerformative gamers are the lowest
>>724765431not vidya but
>>724765431I don't skip any levels.I like the supernatural levels.Thieves' Guild is overhated. I like Thief 1 more than 2 (both are masterpieces though).
>>724765431>use cheat codes to skip multiple shitty levelsFirst time I've ever heard of it. I don't even know the game has cheat codes.
>>724765431I never skip Thieves guild. Also Thief fans will often berate Deadly Shadows and I liked it. I don't have to agree with other fans, I have my own opinions. TDP is considered the best game in the series by most fans, I liked The Metal Age more. I don't have to conform with every opinion of a Looking Glass fan. Some of them all think Down in the Bonehoard is the best mission ever, I prefer anything that involves sneaking into mansions.
>>724765923Preferring Thief 2 and normal thieving missions is the common thing.
Poor OP has to resort to bait like this just to talk about the game he likes
Escape! is the only shitty level in the entire trilogy
>>724765431Down in the Bonehoard is possibly my favorite level in any game
Can't wait until Nightdive shits up the Thief games
Nothing about this piece of shit was remotely good
>>724766124Whoops wrong pic
>>724766164i laugh when people tell you to play these versions instead of the remake.the remake makes it so much more bearable.
>>724765431I dont pretend to like it I beat it once I have like 13 or so hours on steam its not a lie. Its just not my favorite game ever or anything.
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>>724766258People will call it ragebait but it's the truth. The remake is just System Shock but better.
>>724766087I hope they somehow can never get their hands on it. I'd prefer Thief being out of reach of consoleshitters too. Hopefully their new Blood port scam (not even going to be accurate to DOS) ruins them.
>>724765431I dontI think most people shit on Thieves Guild mostly just to sound more knowledgeable about the game. Its the worst mission sure but you shouldn't skip it. Also Mage Towers is fine and Song of the Caverns is one of the best missions in the game. You should also always play on expert and if you get filtered by the first spider in Cragscleft or Bonehoard in general you should kill yourself.Gold > TMA any day btw
>>724765431I like Deus Ex and SS2. I've tried to play thief on 3 separate occasions and never gotten further than like the third level. I think maybe because its stealth mechanics are too ambitious for what they were technically capable of so it's just got shitty awkward stealth and shitty awkward combat that are painful to sit through. Those things are certainly shitty in DE and SS, but they're not actively painful.
>>724766761That's weird, Deus Ex's stealth is awful compared to Thief.
>>724766861DE's stealth is simple so it's easier to work with
>>724765431>My year of birth starts with "2" - the threadSorry there isn't yellow paint, super powers, quips, and trans BIPOC inclusive characters, zoomtroons.
>*betrays you*
>>724765710
It's pretty gay that fan wikis and YouTubers reinforce this idea about how you're supposed to feel about specific levels or missions in games. I had no idea how it was apparently 'despised'. I never felt that when I was playing it. If you had issues navigating the sewers then perhaps you're just not good at navigation in general.>recommended for new playersOnce you patch to run on New Dark then you just play it. Fucking telling people how to experience the game is retarded.
>>724767195This post is really embarrassing if you aren't underage.
>>724767961Also I'm not sure if /vr/'s generals get all preachy about how you're supposed to play Thief. But if they tell you to patch out Gold then fuck them too.
>>724765431Idk if it's bait to start a thief thread or not but stealth is genuinely a difficult genre to get into, especially for modern gamers. The people that tell you to skip levels suffer from overfamiliarization, as a total beginner you probably won't be able to tell what differentiates a good level from a bad one, you'll only judge them by personal appeal. If you actually want to get into it just take it slow, play a bit and come back. Experiment a lot with your tools as they're half the fun when you get into it. Eventually it will click, or maybe you'll realize it's just not for you.
>>724765923I still want to play tds because the storytelling and atmosphere in these games is peak but I just can't handle how ass the movement feels. I always give up after the hammerite church
>>724767961Agreed. The internet is great for many things but I hate how it has become a way for people to find what they're supposed to think without even experiencing things themselves.
Anyone looking forward to the VR game next month?It's probably going to be short and shit but I'd like to play a VR stealth game.
I think ill create another thread later, but maybe someone will reply hereAre there any modern games with level design so complex that you can get lost in? I absolutely love the feeling of filling a mental map of extremly complicated level. I am asking after finishing Black Parade Deaths Dominion which I absolutely loved
>>724765431I never hated the Thieves' Guild, I actually enjoyed the overly complicated layout of it. Also, maybe I got lucky, but I never missed any of the key items and had to backtrack. The Mage Towers and Into The Maw of Chaos were fun as well, if a bit different. Never understood why people pretended to hate those two levels in particular.If TDP/Gold has any actually unfun levels, it would be Undercover and Escape!. Now those I take issue with.
>>724765710I like supernatural levels too. I like the idea of a normal mortal surviving such eldritch places while at the same time looting it clean.
>>724765431If you wanted a Thief thread you did not need to bait. Thief has great mechanics, atmosphere, and ideas even if the levels aren't amazing. That's what FMs are for.
>>724769387>even if the levels aren't amazing.Shut your fucking mouth, you filthy whore.
>>724768896I'm gonna buy it yeah. Mainly because I'm into VR, aside from being simply a Thief fan. But I'm going to assume it's going to disappoint anyone who is actually a fan of any Looking Glass game. They're still using Thi4f setting.
>>724769453There are just too many misses. Thieves Guild, Mage Towers, Lost City, Escape. Even some other levels I don't find very fun like the prison break level I forgot the name of or how Undead Cathedral forces you to scour for loot on expert.
>>724765431cruelty squad38% of players completed the first missiom
>>724765431The only bad level is the Thieves Guild, zombie levels, while not the best levels, are good.
>>724765710Me too. Thief 2 was the answer to people who wanted more heists.
>>724769595I like the mechanics of Cruelty Squad but it looks too shit to sit down and play seriously. I don't care if I got filtered or if it's supposed to look like shit
>>724769578What's wrong with Mage Towers and Lost City?
I actually like Thieves Guild.
>>724765710>I like the supernatural levels.liar
>>724765431>I live to steal.>I steal to live.
>>724769595I love Cruelty Squad. I just don't want to speedrun the levels, I want to explore and use the weapons or the Golem suit.
>>724768648>mage towershow many missions do you want to tell people not to play before you're not even thieving anymore and it's just all down in the bonehoard? this is why I categorically reject what the consensus is. I don't like Bonehoard all that much, but I still play it.
>>724769837Thief 2 is for people who don't like raiding tombs or having fun.
>>724769532>. They're still using Thi4f settingOof. That's pretty tone-deaf. I hope it turns out well but I highly doubt it.
>>724769837>how many missions do you want to tell people not to play before you're not even thieving anymore and it's just all down in the bonehoard?Exactly, lmfao. These niggas are literally forcing themselves to dislike things that they don't actually dislike, but think they should for reasons they can't even explain. What the hell is wrong with people? How much of a buckbroken human being do you need to be to do this? Just play the fucking game.
There is literally nothing wrong with mage towers. Adding mages to lost city was gay thoughever.
>>724769954Well yeah I prefer Metal Age. I'm a stealth gamer. Not a tomb raider, not an Ultima gamer. So i play Thieves Guild and I play Mage Towers. These gold levels balance out Thief TDP much more to my preferences. If they weren't there my experience might have otherwise been more negative. In fact because they're there it made the levels I liked less more tolerable. The only reason I didn't scold Bonehoard was because the experience still felt balanced enough.
>>724770294too linear and for no good reason
The only shit parts of Thief are when you have to haul some asshole to the Exit, like Escape from Cragscleft where you had to haul not just one but TWO people out of the Hammer prison. Basso the Boxman's sister better put out good.
>>724769837Real ones play the fanmade levels.
How cone nobody ever talks about the fourth game?
>>724768559>stealth is genuinely a difficult genre to get intoThe problem is you can count the amount of true stealth games on two hands
What are some good fangames for 1 and 2?
>>724770437There was no fourth game.
>>724769662>people who wanted more........thieving. In Thief. Huh
>>724770529Name 10
>>724769837Who did you mean to actually reply to?
>>724768896I can see stealth being well suited for vr but idk it'd be a fucking miracle if they don't fuck up the story beyond belief but who knows.
>>724770679I missed up the reply on my browser. Accidentally highlighted your comment.
>>724769032Bleak faith forsaken sucks but has huge intricate levels
>>724770541But enough about Boktai
>>724770530>good fan gamesThe Dark Mod>okay fan gamesFilcherIf you don't care about stealth being the primary focus: Gloomwood.>apparently inspire by Thief but I don't see itBrush Burial. Yeah I don't get it, didn't feel the same.>FutureIf Serpens Eternal Thievery ever becomes a thing, that one. Noirmancer too. There isn't much.
>boomers squealed with glee when they solved this
>>724771459better than any lockpicking minigame by bethesda
>Thief fans or as I like to call them Zero Punctuation fans
>>724765710>Thieves' Guild is overhated.>>724765923>I never skip Thieves guild.what is the point of contrarianfagging over such a beloved franchise?
>>724771954>contrarianfaggingIt's not contrarian if I state to take out any levels that allowed you do actual thievery in favour of all dungeon crawling would make the whole experience more unhinged and at the seams that it would fall apart. If any of the thieving levels were not there then I would scold Bonehoard tomb robbing. Fuck your claims of contrarianism you dumb bitch ass nigger.
>>724771501projection
>>724772139Ah, you're one of those. Carry on then.
>>724771954If playing the fucking game means you're a contrarian then the """"consensus"""" is clinically insane.
>>724772229Thieves Guild can't even be considered to be part of the game, feggit.
>>724771459>when BotW does it it's called innovation of the highest caliber
>>724765710This. Bonehoard is kino and my favourite FMs are interesting takes on the same idea like Sepulchre of the Sinistral.
>>724772264Just stick to TDP then. Playing Gold and yet still choosing to skip entire levels is unhinged. Go praise the version you think is better, as it is, instead of being a performative, butthurt faggot. You sound like one of those people who treat modding as part of the intended game experience and think that any bit of inconvenience in a game needs to be modded out instantly. Fuck off.
>>724772191At least I can plainly state my reasoning about why I'm not being a contrarian. If I came into every thread to bash Down in the Bonehoard it would probably piss off TLLG fans. Well I formulated my opinions on levels as I played them. I didn't look at their forums to see what everyone else was saying, I never once adjusted by opinions to match anyones. I played this game before any e-celeb had covered it. My opinions about Thieves Guild are original in the sense that the level carried over the aspects of the game that I wanted to play. So that's not contrarianism. I'm plainly stating the kind of level preference I have, whilst there are better designed levels, this was still apart of the final evaluation of the game for me. It was important that it was there.
>>724772542Thieves Guild is bad and so is Mage Towers to a lesser degree. Gold also made Lost City worse. But Gold is still worth playing because Song of the Caverns is one of the best levels in Thief.
>>724772657>Song of the Caverns is one of the best levels in Thief.True
>>724772542But I haven't installed Gold since my first playthrough of it? I only play TDP, and in Thief threads the common but also correct opinion is that TG is shit. And what's with the modding projection?
Dark Mod mogged the original DESU. Also it's free and has over 100 levels.
>>724772705>in Thief threads the common but also correct opinion is that TG is shit.Yeah there's always one schizo who comes in to shit on gold who then gets ignored if that's what you mean by your post.
>>724772726Call me when it has an actual campaign and sovl beyond one hit wonder missions like requiem.
>>724765431I played it on the hardest difficulty and it's not that hard. The Gold levels are noticeably more annoying though (I didn't know they weren't part of the original game at the time.)
>>724770437That's Thiaf aka Thifourf, different franchise as you can tell by the name.
>>724772705Okay, then just say that. If someone wants to play Thief for the first time, tell them to play TDP first. Skipping levels is absolutely the wrong way to approach any game, as it builds distrust regardless of whether what you're skipping is actually good or not. Encouraging people to do it will make them imagine the skipped content as much worse than it really is, and in this case where you have 2 versions to choose from, it also frames the issue incorrectly.>And what's with the modding projection?It's not projection and I still think the comparison tracks. You should never mod a game on your first playthrough, either, unless you really need to in order to make it function or something like that. Likewise you should never skip levels on your first playthrough.
>>724772754You're a retarded faggot.
>>724765710This. Bonehoard is the best level in the series btw.
T1 > metal age, 2 is monotonous, just doing the same things constantly, 1 is bit or miss but tries to do fun things, 2 felt like they gave up
>>724773293Ah so that's you shitting up thief threads
>>724768896Oh it has a release date now. And costs only 30 bucks. Probably on the shorter side, but should be worth the experience. Something to look forward to.
>install thief>install newdark>disable texture filtering>enable bloom>install angel loader Yup, gaming time
>>724773291>make them imagine the skipped content as much worse than it really isThieves Guild IS that bad.>It's not projection and I still think the comparison tracksI think anyone playing Gold should skip Thieves Guild and I also think using any version of GMDX makes you a niggerfaggot regardless of if it's your first playthrough or not.
>>7247733362 bloating mission count with a repeat of ambushed, a repeat of framed and generally feeling unfinished really brought the experience down
>>724773432>Thieves Guild IS that bad.Wrong
T1 worst missions are undercover, mages towers, escape and everything afterLost city is fun, bonehoard is fantastic, thieves guild isn't bad
>>724773464Thieves Guild is so bad that replacing it with fucking Nightcrawler or even a Dront mission would still result in more positive first impressions for new players.
>>724771152What about the Black Parade?
I've never liked the gold total aspect of thief, I'm sure there's design utility in it I'm not fully aware of besides just the obvious but to me in return it neutralizes one of the most interesting aspects of the game, making efficient routing choices to a few goals. with expert loot requirements you basically can't do any routing, you need to resign yourself to gridsearching every square foot of the level, taking on every danger, intersecting every guard path. to get something close to elegent map traversal you have to bump the difficulty down and miss out on objectives that aren't the problem.
>>724773763it's bad but thinking it's some kind of endless torture level is sort of a filter for people who grasp how to use the compass. if you use your compass the only thing that will trip you up is the firepit mechanism.
>>724773841Unfiltered kino
>>724773841He said games rather than FMs. I'm confused about what he meant, Black Parade is in its own right 'game length', so is Thief2X. Just confused on the framing is all or what he was actually asking for.
I'm sorry but you can't ever convince me less breaking in and stealing missions with guards would have made Thief better. I didn't care for spooky supernatural tomb robbing unless there was at least something to break up the monotony. If it had been tomb robbing with no breaks in that I'd have quit. It's only because the game continued the same general format of the superior versions of it that I didn't quit. You can play some damn good fan missions that obviously mop the floor with Thieves Guild. Yet it was apart of the experience so I have to evaluate it that way. Going straight to talking about good fan missions is not the correct way to evaluate everything positive about the game. But if you were to replace any of those good fan missions that were of that general format then I wouldn't have complained either.
>>724772726Has anyone ever remade the original thief games in TDM?
>>724765431I don't pretend to like that, I actually really liked that. The only thing I don't like are those missions with the undead. Fuck those.
halfway through TBP (haunted mansion level)the detail of the mansion is impressive but not a fan of how claustrophobic it all is and there's not a whole lot of stealthing to be doneI'd probably be enjoying it more had the previous level not also been an undead level also I should have played this on halloween
I'm currently replaying T1 for the first time. During my first playthrough the Thieves Guild filtered me, I had to use a guide at one point and overall I had negative feelings about the level. Now on my second attempt I noticed that it's not that complicated at all. Just use the map and compass and you can easily find your way around, only a few areas in the southern part of the sewers are more difficult to navigate. And I say this as a Thief newfag, I don't understand why veterans criticize this level so much. It's also a good addition to the plot - previous missions have already shown that Garrett is unrivaled in his profession, but the Thieves Guild is the ultimate proof of that, he manages to single-handedly outdo an entire organization of thieves in theft.
>>724765431ctr+alt+shift+end
>>724773336>but tries to do fun thingsWhat It did was just recreate Ultima which is why RPG fans praise it. 2 was more focused on every level where it was about manoeuvring around guards patrols and stealing things. The most popular consensus of it all is that people wanted an Arx Fatalis game, rather than whether they cared about any time spent in the city and planning out the more elaborate heists. Which is why The Metal Age is sacrilege from their perspective.
>>724776823theres nothing difficult about thieves guild i still dont understand why people keep bringing it up
What the fuck was his problem?
>>724771152>>724773841I forgot to mention some rando game dev I found on twitter/X. Some guy is making a Thief-Like but it has no steam store page yet, called Daemon's Ballasts. It has guns, but I think it's still leaning towards Thief, in a few ways which look important enough. From the gameplay clips posted It does look like this one at least appears to be real at face value, at least real at the conceptual level.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKAoX-xmrikThis is his x accounthttps://x.com/huelesceI thought I may as well mention it because it's rare to find someone trying to make indie Thief adjacent games. Very rare.
>>724765431Dunno about anyone else, but I've played through Thief multiple times on expert without skipping any levels.
>>724765431>supposed Thief fans tell you to use cheat codes to skip multiple shitty levels"supposed fans" is the key herewhoever said that is not a fanalso>not even Thief goldTDP does not have "shitty" levels
>>724768896for VR I would prefer more of a 3d front end to the old dark engine that lets you play the originals and fan mission with the goggles in full 3d. While retaining seated play with traditional controlsRight now best you get are half assed solutions that exist now like desktop+ 3d mode and reshade 3d plugins. Vorpx does not support thief because of the ancient engine its usingmotion controls really are a niche within themselves and its kind of bummer they will release a new thief game focused on it. Then blame on the dead franchise when it inevitably flops
>don't worry bro, the level design gets way better after Bafford Manor
>>724775106nah too much work
>>724766319I didn't like it that much.
>>724765431Souls games.
>>724773464Get funneled to KO an innocent chef, find the secret passage downstairs, find the secret door so you can get funneled to the second mandatory KO of an unarmed dude, find the secret bracelet, find the secret key to find the secret safe with another key, so you could find the secret lever so you could get funneled to the third mandatory KO of another innocent chef so you could find the second secret safe and steal the objective, then complete the loot goal by finding all that loot, which is secret loot because thieves don't trust each other and hide it, then exit to complete the mission by walking five steps and opening a door that you for some reason weren't allowed to use to enter the damn place like it's Skyrim or something, and instead had to got through a linear sequence of secrets.
>>724766124why?Won't say it's my type of game but you really can't put yourself in the shoes of someone back then and see why it was good? It's basically a precursor to bioshock and has one of if not the best atmospheres in any game back then.
>>724766258(you)>>724766319(you)
>>724765431Anyone have any good FM recs? I tried out a couple but I hate when they throw in segments where you have to stand around and listen to an npc
>>724780704my top 3augustine's revenge (city)the mystery man (mansion/castle)ascend the dim valley (greatest of all time)for a 2001 goodie: hidden agenda (mechanist)for some short & quick onesshadowplay by schlock (rooftop)the tower by rowena (city)if you try them all and like none of these maybe thief fms in general aren't for you, there are still some legendary ones like into the odd that might be worth trying. there's also t2x and the black parade of course
>>724780704These are generally good, along with Black Parade.I'd suggest browsing https://www.thiefguild.com/fanmissions and finding something that interests you.
>>724780704Endless Rain is a really good introductory FM. The Chalice of Souls is really good too.
>>724765431I like the atmosphere of the game but I really can't get into stealth games. I always end up constantly savescumming every few minutes just to perfect each encounter which kind of breaks the immersion.And no I don't pretend to like it at all.
>>724780704I've been consuming Thief FMs like crack for the last 6 months and I can't stop. The best one to start with is easily T2X. Its low difficulty and level size is similar to original games. You wont get lost, you wont spend hours searching for a 3-pixel level hidden behind a pile of rubble. I felt really bad playing it because its excellent but after 50+ FMs T2X feels like a kiddie pool party.Ignore >>724781289this list is outdated by like a decade and recommends goofy shit like Rocksbourg and Augustine's Revenge.Post 2010 FMs are almost universally better than 2000s ones.
>>724767961it has the most comprehensive map in the entire game how can anyone get lost
>>724783745i understand calling rocksbourg goofy shit but augustine's revenge is genuinely good. just because the aesthetic & architecture are on the primitive side doesn't make it shit. i respect anyone who sees melan and skacky's city missions as 10000x better than bbb's style of city levels, but to me they're both fucking amazing for different reasons
>>724767961I've never felt like the navigation in the guild is bad. If you can find your way around The Sword, then the Guild is a breeze. I just think that it's unacceptable to have game design where all of the mandatory steps are hidden, and some of them are hidden in insane ways. All of the Downwinders are forced to dive through shit-water-filled pipes in order to open the door to their boss' mansion.Also, the blatantly obvious funneling of the player to singular, developer-intended official solutions is just diametrically opposed to the Looking Glass design philosophy. Making levels where you have one door leading to one room with an NPC standing facing away from you looking at the only exit that you have to take means that someone tried to make blackjacking that NPC mandaotry. Anyone who does that misunderstands entirely what Thief games are about. So, even if technically Thieves Guild isn't a godawful level, it's a WRONG level. Sara Verrilli didn't understand what correct Thief level design is, and the parts of the level that are not terrible are accidentally not terrible.
>>724765605Same can be applied to games like Dorf Fort and Rimworld. Any game where the stories told by people about said game in fanatical and magical ways that make it seem larger than life usually winds up being shit that way.
>thief was always meant to be a hack & slash dungeon crawler game>thief was always meant to be pure supreme ghostable stealthmake up your fucking minds
>>724784702Augustine has a certain jank flair. The architecture looks like Mario 64, shit just hangs in the air, many buildings have windows that lead into the out of bounds void, and the proportions are hilariously off. The story is nice though and the rooftop part of the level (after you're done robbing Peach's Castle) is well done. Still, its a silly shit mission, putting it in the same league with professionally done projects like Seven Sisters and Black Frog is wrong.
>>724785343>gaetaneshitWhy'd you ruin the otherwise good point you were making? You could've gone with Scarlet Cascabel, Eshaktaar or Schlock but anon oh no...
>>724785669Whats your problem with Black Frog? The final missoin is drawn out and features INTO THE FADE horseshit, but the rest of the campaign is insanely well-done. And you mention Cascabel which was clearly inspired by it
>>724785669was playing The Korrigans as you posted this commentdo people generally dislike gaetane I thought the L'Arsene series has been decent so far though I haven't played any of his other stuff
>>724768896I will hold off on it until its known what the level design is. If its linear straight corridors then hard pass. Half of enjoyment from thief came from the atmosphere and mood of the game. Second half came from the sprawling levels to explore and learn
>>724776635If it makes you feel better the next few missions are pure stealth.
>>724765431the trannies who tell you to do that are the same faggots who play garbage like bioware gamesThief Gold is solid. Even the thieves guild.
>>724786481her(biological) earlier missions are certainly polarizing for the very rough and amateurish gameplay and level design, which she improves at little by little, and then clearly gotten better by korrigans', and by the den most people consider it very good, but there are still some who dislike the specific quirks in gaetane's style that can be seen in the den and black frog (ironically some of these quirks are ones which drk was also known for in rocksburg)
Augustine is such a cool villian. I don't care if he's one dimensional, the idea of a pagan god LARPing as an eccentric richfag waiting for the right greedy bastard to come along and steal an obviously evil artifact is just a cool premise.
>>724776635Black Parade is mid tbqph
>>724787714No. It has some low moments like Trial of Iron and the final level but everything else is 10/10
>>724787848>final level sucks assThat is in line with the thief series.
>>724776823The first time I played through the game, I wandered around and found the safe before finding the key and I realized that I had done the objectives in the wrong order and that I'd have to do a ton of backtracking and I seethed super hard and quit for like 2 weeks. I eventually finished the game and really liked it, but I can see a lot of people getting filtered.>>724769260I also liked Mage Towers and Into the Maw of Chaos too. Mage Towers was a bit too long maybe but it was cool and I think people would have liked Into the Maw of Chaos if it didn't have the complete dogshit Escape and Strange Bedfellows missions right before it. I also thought Undercover wasn't so bad, using a disguise is an obvious trope for a thief so I guess they did what they could. It seems like everyone has one random mission they hate that most other people like, I personally hated Lost City.
>>724782070>Endless RainIt was the first FM map I played after The Black Parade. I got annoyed by the amount of fake doors and dead ends.
>>724787848Trial of Iron is one of the best levels to me. I thought the game was pretty solid until the final level.
>>724787494>Augustine
>>724779293I was pretty sad nightdive discontinued development for VR in System Shock 2. I just wanna play these old games in VR.
>>724780704Disiroentation was my favourite growing up
>>724789951kek took me a minute to even realize. im too tired
Seven shades of mercury is my favourite FM. So unique and cool. Anyone else?
>>724789902Trial of Iron is just fine to me. I think all of TBP is good at having very distinct levels. Old Faces is The Sword but even longer and stranger. Jaws of Darkness is kinda like Mage Towers but with tons of new monsters and challenges. Etc. Trial of Iron is just a level.
>>724766319The remake is an worthless sauceless piece of garbage. It accomplishes nothing whatsoever to justify it's existence as a remake.Graphics? Repulsive puke inducing dogshit, what's the points of remaking it if you're just gonna give it that ugly ass plastic look.Gameplay? Absolutely braindead. I've played 7th gen games with tighter combat than this shitMusic? There was music? Yeah just a complete failure all around and an objectively worse experience that the OG
>>724772542Cant believe debate about version of a game is heated lmao
>>724765710same opinion here. nothing will ever top my experience with thief gold, and I played it somewhere in the 2010's>huh, that's a fairly fun and competent medieval thieving simulator>oh shit zombies and magic cults this is not medieval yurop at all>fuck year resource management against supernatural threats>I am deeply afraid of the insect men>am I in... space?>you are the best trap level ever
>>724765431No they fucking don't, where did you hear that?
GOAT FM
>>724765431I like the idea of knocking out people from behind in one hit if you catch them unaware, but I thought it was kinda goofy that this also works against the dinosaur lizard things and the big mantis dudes.
>>724765431>Kidnap>Casing the Jointthe only maps from the original duology that are skippable
>>724791812nicked might just be the goat author in general, top quality fms for nearly two decades
>>724765431after years of hearing people say it is just as good as Chaos Theory I finally played it when they added it to steam and it is pretty bad
>>724765710>Thieves' Guild is overhated.bruh moment
>>724791812Listed
>>724789763It filtered me for awhile because I somehow missed the rope arrows
>>724790009facebook canned it. Still does not excuse not providing a simplistic 3d driver, which modder do for free, to enable it on the goggles. By VR version they usually mean full body tracking which is a ton of extra work to implement
>>724788991>I wandered around and found the safe before finding the key and I realized that I had done the objectives in the wrong orderI had the same issue. Now, during the replay, I realized that the first dialogue between the two thieves you hear after going down to the sewers explains that the vase is in a safe at Donal's place, while the key to it is at Rueben's - then it's enough to look at the map to figure out where you need to go first. One of the cases where an overheard conversation is crucial to understanding the order in which a task should be undertaken.
>be Firemage>create Builder's Paradise>at last, the first mechanist mission that doesn't suck dick, this will be my magnum opus!>you know what>what I...add an invincible enemy NPC that keeps following the player everywhere while making funny noises and falling in slo-mo...surely this wont be fucking annoying and ruin the atmosphere...
>>724787494The Trickster reveal is one of my favorite cutscenes in vidya. In such a cliche moment where the main character is betrayed, you'd expect him to throw out some cheesy line to show that he's still a badass hero and that it's not over yet. But Garrett isn't some badass hero, he's just a thief. He's visibly scared, he screams, and then he lies on the floor and literally shakes with fear for his life while vines grow around him. Moreover, the words that the Trickster says to him resonated with me as the player as well:>Did you think those ancient phrases were mere words, manfool?Garrett probably thought so, and during my first playthrough I also thought that the pagan texts shown before some briefings were just flavor text and I didn't actually pay much attention to them. Peak writing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AAzkPkiImo
When the guy at the end of Thief 1 says "Garrett, you were THE METAL AGE all along" I shidded my pants
for me it's not holding any opinions of my own and just parroting ones that I heard or read
>>724769578>Thieves GuildGood level EXCEPT for having to find the ring and backtracking>Mage TowersGood level>Lost CityGood level>EscapeForgettable but short1/10 for making me reply.
>>724793314>the first mechanist mission that doesn't suck dickhidden agenda and durant
I played a few levels of thief like 7 years ago and got really immersed and was loving it then life distracted me from it and if I try playing it now I don't feel even 10% of what I felt then.
>>724794178Kino>>724794569Gold ruined Lost City. In TDP you were the first one there in a long time, you were isolated and alone in this abandoned and forgotten place. Gold adds a bunch of other people, ruining the tone and atmosphere.
>>724796313it's not that big of a deal. not like there's much interesting to see there or do in the first place
>>724777945>2 was more focused on every level where it was about manoeuvring around guards patrols and stealing things.except for all the levels where you don't steal things like Ambush!, Trace the Courier and Kidnap
I just do and say what mandalore say
>>724765431>talking shit about Thief on /v/If you wanted your knickers boiled you should put them in the wash, and it's still not going to be enough to get the cum stains and skidmarks out
>>724765605>entire game is just playing pretend>needs some cuck to referee the gameSeriously what the FUCK is the point of this and other PDF shit when there's actual board games?
>>724796957if you need to ask then rpgs simply aren't for you
>>724765431>Even supposed Thief fans tell you to use cheat codes to skip multiple shitty levelsthat's a pretty considerable leap from "yeah a few levels are stinkers"
>>724797228Yeah I'd rather play real board game rpgs
>>724765431I just don't bother with Thief Gold. Those levels were cut from the original release for a reason, one good one isn't worth the shit ones. I dislike the mage level even more than the thieve's guild.
>>724765431Then they aren't fans.Just unskilled posers
>>724794569I'm stealing that pic taffer thanks
>>724769387>playing FMs>playing maps not made by LGS >AI Stephen Russell
>>724766124You are gay and retarded.
>>724798203luckily russells voice acting is mid and he already sounds like an AI so it probably works really well
>>724795391I actually just finished Hidden Agenda. It's a good, well-crafted level but a bit simplistic and short. I did like the realisation that its Eavesdropping prequel
>>724798861>russells voice acting is midthis is why I hate FMtrannoidsyour silly overdesigned maps wouldn't even stand against deadly shadows slop
>>724766051based
>>724765431>Games people pretend to likeAny MMO ever
>>724799002>overdesignedplay bbb-kino now
>>724794178It's also probably the last time Garrett ever actually trusted anyone. He climbed down to Hell just to get one over an immensely powerful being just because that being swindled him. His ego would never again allow any deal to have uncontrolled factors. Everything goes as he plans, or it doesn't go.
Any Western game that isn't Doom or Tony Hawk.
Immersion and scale gets instantly broken once you realize you seem to be instantly teleporting around an apartment building (mount olympus). One room has cronos, another room with hercules, one is a giant rubix cube, etc. It never felt like an adventure.
>>724799270He trust the very bitch who gouged his eye in the next game. He works with Keepers again in T3 and nearly gets himself rekt for it.
>>724799595>He trust the very bitch who gouged his eye in the next game.He doesn't. Didn't you pay attention? He agrees with Viktoria about the danger of the Mechanists, and then Viktoria puts a curse on herself and him, compelling both to do what has to be done no matter the cost. That's why Viktoria dies, and that's why Garrett completes the job after she did. The promise kept by the Earth was basically mind control affecting both.
>>724767961I don't understand what's the challenge. There are parts of the city itself that are confusing, but if you're not a retard and have basic navigational skills and a working memory, with a bit of trial and error you will find a way.
>>724765605My first ttrpg was D&D 5e and I really liked it until I got introduced to PF2e which is basically 5e+ but even so it's better in every waySince then I've read into a lot more tabletop systems
>>724765431Totalbiscuit is right.
>>724765431Nope. One of the greatest games of all time. Easily the best stealth game of all time. I've been playing fan missions for over a decade. Amazing atmosphere that no other game has been able to capture for me.
>>724765431I hope the thief games never get a remaster, they ruin fanbases
>>724802226he's right but that's off topic
>>724803281>he's right but that's off topicIt's not off-topic it's very much relevant. People pretend to certain games just to prove they're some epic 30+ Millennial hardcore gamer.
>>724765710I really liked Thief 3.
>>724765710basedkys op
>>724771152I hate Gloomwood because the dev would rather be wanked off by other devs on Twitter than actually study fun map design
>>724765431>Liking Thief just to spite MGS/Kojima fans
>>724771152>Brush BurialThe world and mechanics are cool but it is just way too hard to consistently get a read on npc's detection range and what you can get away with to be a proper stealth experience.
>>724803381thief has a much lower barrier of entry compared to arena shooters, AND it's single player exclusive, so it's a different topic entirelyarena shooters "died out" because it's simply too difficult for the average guy. not complicated. thief has pretty simple gameplay and you can take it at your own pace
>>724805784>thief has a much lower barrier of entry compared to arena shooters, AND it's single player exclusive, so it's a different topic entirelyOP didn't specify if it was about singleplayer or multiplayer. So It can be either or. Pay attention.
>>724806227it can be either but multiplayer games are inherently more difficult than single player games so yes it does have a place in this argument
You're a fucking faggot if the only thing you do is to argue for the sake of arguing.
>>724765431i didn't even know that you can skip levels in thief.
>>724791812>>724792056The Duncan murder mystery was the best I've played so far. It was insanely good. Haven't tried Nest of Vipers yet.
>>724807015what's the problem, little man
>>724803578>I really liked Thief 3.
>>724804438Splinter Cell is better than Koji shit. >>724792092No it ain't. But whoever told you equal to Chaos Theory wasn't being honest.
