double d wouldnt say that

>>724774553
It's OPs self insert character

>>724774527
>losing is fun!
Okay buddy

you would think that the "just playing for fun" audience wants to play against people on their skill level because the time/skill investment is too much for them to keep up with the big boys but evidently they dont even want even matches as shown by all the whining about skill based matchmaking.

"playing for fun" just means stomping even worse players who cant fight back.

i dont get mad when i lose in casual marvel rivals and say good shot or good one to others
only ranked mode is toxic and people who win are toxic and say nasty stuff

>don't get mad
It's literally that easy

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ok
you may now return

It depends. If the opponent is also playing a meme play style or is playing the game normally, whatever. It's the absolute sweat lords that ruin the game and suck the fun out of it.
Using a table top example: It's like when people brought Taudar in 40k 6th edition. It's nothing but pure gremlin cheese.

>>724774553
but CUHRAZY double D would
he's out of character in that scene

>>724774730
>"playing for fun" just means stomping even worse players who cant fight back.
This is the truth for the uninitiated. It's also normal to feel frustrated after a loss even if the game is otherwise fun, but many can't cope with that feeling.

I for one enjoy certain competitive games because I enjoy getting better, and when I face a team or player that's much stronger than me, I try to treat it as a learning experience. If someone is better than me, I'd much sooner admire them, but people can get on your nerves sure.

I would also argue that skill based matchmaking algorithms don't always do a flawless job at pairing you with people that are in the same skill range. If the game's population is low, it will throw that to the wind and casuals might get torn apart by seasoned players. Only the strong survive in that instance. You have to learn to have fun even while losing but also to improve, or else you will ALWAYS be losing, and that's not really fun to anyone. So it's a git gud or get off the pot sitution

>>724774956
One of my favorite gaming moments was when an EVO champion in Street Fighter V invited me to a lobby set after playing him in ranked because he wanted to prepare for the matchup in an upcoming tournament.

I lost like 20:1 and it was still great.

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>>724775041
>One of my favorite gaming moments was interacting with some e-celeb
Jesus Christ.

>>724775579
yeah man you should feel nothing when you pour time into a hobby and one of the best in it invites you to play matches in it.

you arent even human you are some irony poisoned gnat.

>>724774527
i don't get mad when i lose to a better player
i get mad when i repeatedly lose in ways i can't learn anything from because shit happened too quickly to understand anything

>>724774527
>playing to lose
What, what is this detroit lions ass way of thinking

I've never had a problem with just losing, that's the way she fucking goes, it's losing and knowing you lost become some aspect of your gameplay is stunted and you're running repeatedly into a brickwall that other players have gotten past is what gets me.

People who get mad at games never say they play for fun.

>>724774553
But Lisa from the Simpsons or that guy from that gay office show definitely would,yeah double D was too based

Why do people who "play for fun" always so mad?

Fightans are not fun anyways.

>>724774527
The fun is winning, and I play just for fun.

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>>724775041
Being the bottom to a stronger man is the most you'll ever be.
I bet you were onionsjacking the whole time too.

>>724775041
This anon basedjacks irl.

>>724777486
are you the best at anything?
have you ever put your ego on the line in the first place?

>>724774527
I have fun when I win. Get fucked.

>>724777342
because its just a shit tier defense mechanism.
very common on /v/.

>>724777486
I'm shocked your not tripsfagging

>>724777486
Have you ever worked a job or had somebody do a job for you that you couldn't do?? Congratulations, you're a weak skinny beta manlet that will always depend on other men,I bet you came out a vagina too,faggot.Retarded animal poster

>>724774741
>people who win are toxic and say nasty stuff
UNIRONICALLY why are they like this

Competitivefag here, why do casualtrannies refuse to have fun like us? Why do they insist on getting all uppity instead?

>>724774527
there is no fun to be had in a game without stakes

>>724774527
and thats why I choose who I play with, which are usually others who just got off work and are more there to fuck around.

>>724774527
I'm playing for fun but also for some semblance of sportsmanship,
I can't respect metawhores or players who win because of external modifiers such as P2W, better buffs, stats and hitboxes and whatever there might be that make a player far better
if the balance in a game is so bad that A beats B with hands tied behind their back, then naturally I won't applaud A for winning, nor will I feel content losing to someone who used every crutch they can to win.
I'm not saying people should intentionally gimp themselves with "trollbuilds" or anything like that, I'm just saying people who use "the best" and solelyl "the best" are just sweaty and annoying.

It's like playing monopoly and one of the players starts with more money than the others, then, when they win, nobody is going to think it's commendable or impressive.

Losing usually isn't fun, but a balanced, equal standing can make for a fun contest regardless of winning or losing.
It's like when people used to trial and error new content in a game and having fun in the process of figuring it out instead of instantly looking up all the guides and strategies, then bitching at others for not already knowing or not doing some turbosperg skips that ruin devs vision and player's experience

This is what metafags are in essence - people who ruin the experience for everyone except other metafags

>>724775041
But was it better or worse than prepping your wife's boyfriend?

>>724779694
retarded

>>724775936
not him but
>literally invited to be a punching bag, getting humiliated and not even counting for a decent "practice" for some tryhard pro
>i-it's an honor! I love it when my idol spits in my mouth and pisses all over me because I got to be "close" and use my superior's attention as validation for my existence!
To each their own I guess

>>724774527
I can play something for fun and get mad when I lose.
Those things aren't mutually exclusive.

>>724775936
Sounds like you have a humiliation fetish anon

>>724780072
The idea is that you learn and stop being so much of a punching bag

>>724780072
>>724780208
you are retarded.
guy was preparing for a tournament and he wanted to learn to play against the character I play. thats normal. if he didnt think he could learn anything from playing me he wouldnt have bothered with an invite. meanwhile I got to play one of the best in the world. literal win/win scenario.

you are mentally ill and insert your humiliation fetish obsession into it.
most definitely never competed in anything and shit at everything you do.

>>724774527
I stopped playing multiplayer slop 15 years ago, so yeah, I'm playing for fun

>>724780291
>you are mentally ill

Very true, it's good you're aware of your disability , that's the first step it fixing it. Next we need to work on that humiliation fetish you got.

>>724780291
>GUYS IT WAS THE BEST EXPERIENCE OF MY LIFE
>Bro that's retarded
>W-well actually it wasn't that special...
Nah, we called you out, you have to live with that now.

>>724780549
>>724780364
meds

>>724780580
>meds

Did you take them yet? You have to be very consistent with medication or else it can stop working completely.

>>724780072
>literally invited to be a punching bag, getting humiliated and not even counting for a decent "practice" for some tryhard pro
>i-it's an honor! I love it when my idol spits in my mouth and pisses all over me because I got to be "close" and use my superior's attention as validation for my existence!
This is not a normal reaction to the idea of somebody better than you at a hobby wanting to practice with you. This is a sign of mental illness. Normal people don't feel like they're humiliated when they lose in a video game or start conjuring up weird fantasies. Just letting you know.

i get mad when i win against a better player because they should have played better

>>724780549
You're genuinely someone who only wants to curbstomp opponents

>>724780715
flukes happen, m8.

>>724780291
>if he didnt think he could learn anything from playing me he wouldnt have bothered with an invite
>"I lost 20:1"
Uh-huh, keep telling that to yourself
Again, to each their own,
Personally I wouldn't waste my time getting steamrolled by some tryhard showerlet just so they can feel pumped and better about their skills

>>724775041
I remember seeing posts like this years ago and people would be happy for the anon. Now they project their cuck fetish on him. Holy shit, this really is not the same place it once was.

>>724780787
yes you already made it obvious that you are not good at anything at all with the way you see practice and improvement you are repeating yourself.

>>724780771
You eat flukes, you don't shit on them

>>724774527
Implying i play multiplayerslop

>>724780787
If you can't fathom how somebody can improve in a matchup even against a player they're way better than you're just admitting you're dogshit.

>>724780847
we need a third world firewall on /v/.
almost all of these posts would instantly disappear.

>>724780915
>sloplying I slop slopslop
Fucking faggot

>itt people getting ragebaited by a guy making shit up about meeting his favorite e-celeb
damn, what a way to derail a thread. i almost respect it

>>724780858
>>724780937
I can, but I can't fathom someome BETTER improving by shitting on someone that's not even registering enough to be a match
we're talking a self-admitted 20:1 situation here
like holy shit, this is comparable to one fluke or the pro practically giving one free win out of pity

you don't put yellowbelts to fight blackbelts and expect the yellowbelt to improve from getting thrown around like a ragdoll, nor do you put toddlers in to the deep end
Not to insult anyone losing 20:1 to a pro, I just think it's laughable to see the situation as anything more than getting humiliated while some pro is self-fellating their own skills

>>724774527
Getting juggled removes my ability to play the game. To give an old example, it isn't fun to lose in Melee to an inescapable Ice Climbers glitch.

>>724781161
>you don't put yellowbelts to fight blackbelts and expect the yellowbelt to improve from getting thrown around like a ragdoll
you are both shit at videogames and martial arts it seems.

>>724774710
Then you're playing to win, so make like a winner and start practicing.
You oxymoron

>>724781337
Now if this isnt some cope projection then I dont know what is

>>724781456
You never stepped foot into a dojo Im 100% sure of it.

>>724781337
yeah you go ahead and spar with your master, get one kick knock'd out and then pretend it was a learning experience lol
brother, nobody learns if they can't even compute what's happening, and I keep telling you how 20:1 is such a situation, but you refuse to listen

>>724781526
beginners sparring with their masters is 100% normal you retard secondary.

did dude thinks that martial arts clubs have perfect skill based match making

>>724781152
are you so bad at every game you ever played that you cannot imagine getting invited by a top player?

>>724781161
>I can, but I can't fathom someome BETTER improving
You can still improve at a matchup even against somebody much worse than you. How do you think top players learn matchups against characters where they don't know anybody near their level that plays them? You also do improve from fighting much better players so long as you have a decent foundation. I've been on both ends, this is not as laughable as you think it is or the scoreline might suggest. You're looking at it from the perspective of a new player who has no idea what his buttons even do and is panicking fighting somebody whose good at the game rather than an already high rank player with decent fundamentals fighting a pro.

>People don't like losing
No shit, Sherlock. Why do you think genres like old arena shooters, RTS and fightan games are dead? Because stomping newbs IS a bad thing for player retention.

>>724781576
do you expect that master to not hold back and improve themselves?
A spar with a master means only one side is intended to be learning, while the other one is tutoring or trying to point out flaws instead of one-sidedly bashing their students face in with no chance of learning anything other than "you have shit balance, that's why I'm throwing you across the room so that you may learn why I'm throwing you across the room"
Which could just as well have been taught with words instead of being thrown but tough love teaching is a thing

>>724781870
>You can still improve at a matchup even against somebody much worse than you
I'm not saying it's impossible, but I am saying it's nothing short of a humiliation ritual to participate in a completely uneven matchup where one is so out of the other's league that there's hardly anything they can do other than curse their lesser reaction times and lack of talent

>>724782090
and people tell you that you will forever be bad at everything with a mindset like that.
>that there's hardly anything they can do other than curse their lesser reaction times and lack of talent
see you injected even more eternal loser talk unprompted.

>>724781920
literally every fight is an opportunity to improve.
handling flailing retards is a skill that needs to be honed too because you will not exclusively run into people who follow proper form and rules.
a master will hold back, same way you do not generally go all out in spar matches, but he will also not lose on purpose, because the point isnt sandbagging.

>>724782140
you sound exactly like a japanese salaryman. its a bit uncanny. but again, i could almost respect the derail, this is just turning sad now though

>>724782090
>I'm not saying it's impossible
And I'm saying it's pretty normal.
>I am saying it's nothing short of a humiliation ritual
>there's hardly anything they can do other than curse their lesser reaction times and lack of talent
Respectfully, this is very much a personal issue with you. Most people do not feel humiliated or curse their genes when they get destroyed in a game especially against some pro whose likely been playing for ages. I'm pretty sure that anon just saw it as a fun challenge and chance to learn. Love yourself more, anon.

>>724782329
you sound like a subhuman loser

>>724774527
if you're playing a pvp game in the first place the "just for fun" argument has already gone out the window.

>>724782369
Anon is clearly talking about martial arts here, why are you moving back to vidya? Are you incapable of thought? You are basically saying that getting your shit pushed in in a fight is a learning experience. Honestly you should love yourself more instead of just getting shat on like that and spinning it as something positive.

>>724782501
>You are basically saying that getting your shit pushed in in a fight is a learning experience.
obviously.

>>724782501
>Anon is clearly talking about martial arts here
No, not at all if you actually read the chain of replies. We were pretty clearly talking about matchups and the ingame match that started the conversation. You should reread the last few messages and consider seeing a doctor if you really still don't see that.
>Are you incapable of thought?
Are you trolling or are you really just getting needlessly upset over your own lack of understanding?

>>724774710
It is when it's a worthy opponent who you learn and grow from.

>>724782140
Ok, come make a thread when you hit the million jackpot from the tournament you won, I'm sure you're not an eternal loser like 99,99% of the playerbase of whatever melanin enriched fighting game audience you belong in to

>>724782279
Opportunity, sure, but I'm pretty sure serious fighting game matches against a professional with thousands of hours in the game who's bored to death from the lack of challenge isn't helping either side grow

To each their own, once more - you won't catch me getting used as a mop for someone else's ego inflating, but if that's what you think is fun or a learning experience, go ahead.
It'd be pretty silly to try convince someone on the internet how much of a learning experience your hour session of assrape was,
I won't believe you but I'm not going to call you a liar if you say it was one.

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>>724775041
Wtf are these replies? I play Melee at locals and when my country's best players plays friendlies with me, it's fun and cool. Getting to play against someone so much above my skill level is always eye-opening and getting tips and talking shit while having fun is cool.
How are people turning this into some cuckoldry/humiliation fetish thing? Don't you play with/against top players ever in your game of choice? Or against better players in general?

>>724774527
Why do you assume people get mad?
They just move on.

>>724782798
People on here barely even play video games, dude. They play gacha at most and have a mental breakdown about how they're now a cuck when they try anything else and lose.

>>724774527
DORK!

>>724782798
This entire thread is just a ragebait thread. Normal people that play vidya just move on after losing and don't think about it. Not to mention how many of the faggots here actually play games at all

>>724782762
what a sad creature

>>724782798
its a miserable loser who projects his mental illness on regular people having a good time competing.
its really that basic. just look at all his replies.

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>>724782762
>once more - you won't catch me getting used as a mop for someone else's ego inflating
Believe it or not, you're inflating my ego right now. I'm sure you do that a lot on here by letting people know they're not as pathetic or retarded as you.

>>724782798
it takes a special kind of mindset to be able to have fun while getting curbstomped repeatedly,
you either have to be completely buddies with the person who's winning, or a total submissive idolizing fanboy.
The only game where I can think of a total, repeated and unmistakeable defeat as fun experience is something like EDF, where the chaos and insanity is gamedesign

>>724782762
we wont catch you getting good at anything either.

It's always casual babbies and shitters who cry about "le tryhards" and "le minmaxers" and insist that the only way to "have fun" is being a retard like them.

Every time. Without fail.

>>724783062
>>724783087
Yes yes, I'm sure the /v/ poster who gushed his defining life moment being bullied by a pro is on his way to the pedestal right now,

Remember this loser when you hit the top!
I'm rooting for you :)

>>724783062
>Believe it or not, you're inflating my ego right now.
yeah.
it literally feels great not being him and being made aware of his existence.

oh no not the passive aggressive emote dude is FUMING irl right now lmao

>>724774527
I never lose to another player because I don't play multiplayer garbage

>>724783358
That's neat, anon.

>>724783210
Why does a tryhard & minmaxer go to casual game to have fun instead of a ranked game where they would get the experience they deserve? it's almost like they don't have fun playing against other tryhards and minmaxers...? Funny how that works.

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>>724783080
>you either have to be completely buddies with the person who's winning, or a total submissive idolizing fanboy.
What?
No you don't, it's just chilling and playing friendlies. Or helping someone warm-up for mu or practice it. Hell, sometimes one player asks me to help him practice tech chasing Fox with Sheik if he gets has a good Fox player in next set. Like if you play with total randos online and get fucked up nonstop then yeah, understandable to get frustrated. But if a good af player wants to play against you, only a retard would say no. If someone plays soccer in a team and fucking Ronaldo comes by and asks "hey wanna kick some ball?", would anyone who takes soccer seriously say "ewww no you are gonna just destroy me I'm not a soiboicuck!"?
No offense to you personally but I just see this kind of stuff,without /v/'s cuckoldry obsession, in some gamers who play ranked etc. in vidya and it baffles me. Hell, if the pro gives you tip you should be thankful(tho at least in Melee scene players happily gives feedback when you ask).
Sorry for emotional outburst but I'm just so confused why people play Ranked etc. if they take it seriously but thinks playing against pros and getting fucked up is humiliating.
I just

AAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>724774527
Shut the fuck up.

>>724783729
>if a good af player wants to play against you, only a retard would say no
Why? is it some incomprehensible concept that most people recognize it's not a fun or a learning experience to get perfectly stomped without getting so much as an input in?
I get if someone wants to duel their betters to get better, but those betters need to be "realistic difficulty" instead of literal elephants stepping on mice

>>724783729
you are replying to a disturbed and broken individual.

>>724780072
>>724780208
Most sane people take recognition by a certified talent in a field as a sign their toils haven't been in vain and use it as an opportunity to improve by testing themselves against the best.
If you're a welder and some hotshot welder invited you to come by and took a huge shit on all your welds then you'd say "cool, I learned some tips from a pro" and not "aww man, I just went through a humiliation ritual"

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>>724784051
Because you easily see your own mistakes and flaws that pros punish you for? Especially when they point it out like "you keep jumping too much" or "you are rushing in". They show your bad habits the best.
And we were talking about someone who got a game off of pro. So yeah there is a huge skill gap but still more than enough to learn.
If you are day 1 who doesn't know basic tech then yeah, but you know we ain't talking about that. We are talking about people who fucking play and take the game seriously. If you play in tourneys and get of course seeded low and lose to a pro, do you call it humiliating? Of course not. So why would you call playing friendlies and losing to a pro humiliating?

It genuinely makes no fucking sense. What game do you play competitively?

>>724784380
Nice cope, did he at least let you swallow the spit he used on you?

>>724784461
Also for you, what game do you play competitively?

>>724784408
If the situation is in a such manner where the better player is actively teaching, then I can see it, but at no point was it implied that the better player is explaining, mentoring or giving tips instead of just using the other player for some twisted combo practice
That's why I said you need a fanboy mindset to handle getting your ass beat, because I was completely under the assumption that this professional, in any situation, would not be bothering to play seriously and teach,
in fact, I don't expect situations like these to have much typing or voicechat involved at all, unless they're irl friends.

Being "invited" usually isn't very cordial, but rather a soulless pop up "accept, yes or no" in a lobby, so it's not exactly weird of me to expect such situations to be nothing more than one guy getting silently steamrolled for a pro's warm up

funny enough the actual best way to raise middling player from mediocrity is to throw him to the wolves against the best and have them play hundreds of times.

thats why those who have access to strong scenes are the most privileged.
but said players also need to not be crying faggots.

>>724774527
Lose as in a close match between equally skilled players?
or
Lose as in a onesided stomp where the game becomes a cutscene of you dying/plays in such a cringy unfun way that it ruins the experience for everyone?
That’s an important distinction. Some people want to play ganes for fun but sometimes the other player forces you to not actually play the game because you’re getting stunlocked or spawncamped. Or they are using a bitch ass weapon/character that is anti-fun to play against.

the actual humiliation ritual here is telling the whole world that you cannot handle losing twenty quick matches against good players so you have to go on about gay fetishes like cuckholdry.

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>>724784758
>but at no point was it implied that the better player is explaining, mentoring or giving tips
That is fucking bonus points. But if you are too dumb to learn then it's on you. Like you should pick up at least SOMETHING from playing against a pro.
>Being "invited" usually isn't very cordial, but rather a soulless pop up "accept, yes or no" in a lobby
>>724775041
>when an EVO champion in Street Fighter V invited me to a lobby set after playing him in ranked because he wanted to prepare for the matchup in an upcoming tournament
Do you even read the thread? That is more than exciting for anyone who is in comp scene. You don't even need to be a "fanboy".
Hell, if for some alien reason someone like moky asked my lameass Ganon for mu practice, I would jump in happily. And I personally "am not biggest fan of the guy" to put it nicely. It would be a good learning experience for me and if I fucking got a game from him that would be fucking cool. Hell if I got 3 stocks from him without him SDing that would be something I remember for a while. That's just powerfantasy on my case tho.
Also.
What game do you play competitively. You didn't answer that. Do you go to locals or tourneys in general?

>>724780324
But you're always winning in single player, right?

>>724784380
Yeah, it's cool to be respected and recognized for your abilities but I don't think anyone's getting recognized or respected if they're getting invited to be a doormat for someone that doesn't even struggle a little.
I don't think it's even relatively comparable to something like an actual self-disciplined bodybuilder/sports player giving you tips like you're pressing button too much
I also don't think the recognition of a basement dwelling arcade master is in any shape or form as much of a compliment than getting to practice against someone who's good at sports or martial arts, but then again I'm old fashioned, I don't really see the appeal in e-sports

>>724785272
in case it wasnt obvious enough already:
he doesnt play anything. he's just here to be a bitter defeatist faggot spouting copes.

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>>724775041
lmao the replies to this post. Like of course you are going to lose but these people are STILL upset by it. Why? Because THEY DON'T LIKE LOSING. THEY DON'T PLAY FOR FUN. OR LOVE OF THE GAME. THEY ONLY PLAY FOR WIN. AND IF THEY CAN'T WIN THE GAME IS BAD.

And they don't play "comfy single player games" because they play for fun. They play them because that is environment where they are always the champion, the winner, the chosen one. Being put into a situation where their odds of winning are below 90% just won't do for their mentality.

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>>724782798
No fucking shit your experience is different, you're playing physically with the guy sitting next to you and shooting the shit. Anon was just used as a sandbag by someone who gives no shits and who will not think about him the second after its all over, and he treated it as a religious experience peak of video games moment he will never forget.

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>>724785470
>but then again I'm old fashioned, I don't really see the appeal in e-sports
So wait.
You are here arguing about a topic you don't see appeal of, know anything about, nor even participate in.
And jumping into a discussion you have no experience nor any knowledge about and argue how people should feel about this topic?
Maybe you should keep your mouth shut if you have no idea what you are talking about. Like seriously, do you also go to other boards and argue about topics you have literally zero(0) experience in? Do you like listening someone talk about a thing you are passionate about and listen him insist you are wrong and should feel differently? Consider closing this thread and look in the mirror for a while

>>724774527
I hated this cartoon as a kid. Everybody was ugly and unlikeable and the artstyle was gross to look at. Even the music was annoying discordant brass horns.

>>724785470
>but I don't think anyone's getting recognized or respected if they're getting invited to be a doormat for someone
Oh looky look. It's all about you again. You you you. You don't win. You don't gain fame. You don't like the game. Playing the game isn't fun for you. You need some external reward/stimuli to motivate yourself to go through this miserable task of having to participate in the act of play. You you you!

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>>724785873
Anon. I also play with some pros online I have never seen IRL and without voicechat and get destroyed.
How about you. Do you play vidya competitively?

>>724775579
I still have to endure one of my friends repeating the time he got a kill on some random streamer I've never heard of. He tells it at least once a week. Shows you the vod of it if youre at his house. The man is almost 40. I don't get it either.

>>724785746
That is correct, I don't play esports, I think they are for mentally ill teenagers who believe they have what it takes to make money despite such people being only a tiny percentage of the population.
Being that toxic competitive player in games where your prospects of making it are microscopic is is hilariously sad, but what's more sad is people like OP who say you say you can only play to win or play for fun,
like you can't be playing for fun if you find yourself getting pissed off from being undisputedly shat on by someone who beats you whether they're better or using some meta cheese or not is irrelevant.
Nobody is a buddha here, everyone gets pissed off if they lose repeatedly, even more so if the opponent is cheating or exploiting bad balance

>>724785873
Lmao when Dota 2 was still in beta/new you could see lots of pros in your lobbies and people loved it even when they were losing. You sound like a typical narcissist who cannot see past their own personal needs and ego.

>>724786243
yeah we know that you talk about shit you dont understand you made it EXTREMELY obvious by now.

>>724786195
No anon don't you get it these e-celebs are SO important! Look at all the anons ITT reinforcing it! Your friend is a better person than you for having had such a blessed experience as that!

>>724785905
You can play pvp games without being a competitive e-sports player, I don't see what the problem is,
I came here for OP:s claim that you can't be playing for fun if you get mad at losing, but getting mad at losing is completely normal

>>724786318
>loved it even when they were losing
Yes, we know Dotafags enjoy being buck broken, no need to remind us .

>>724786243
Playing a multiplayer game isn't "playing esports" you fucking retard.
>bro wanna play chess or uno
>nah bro I don't play esports
EKSDEEEEEEE

>>724786159
>>724786318
I'm not the fucks equating losing to humiliation, I'm saying there is a big difference between going
>oh cool my opponent's a known pro
And
>holy shit sandbagging to this celebrity god who won't spare a single thought to me after this is over was the height of video gaming to me!
One is a normal reaction, the other is parasocial patheticness.

>>724786457
And so do people in rts, fighting games, arena shooters... It's not some genre specific thing. Just because you don't like playing games, and cannot play them for fun, doesn't mean the others also can't.

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>>724786243
>That is correct, I don't play esports, I think they are for mentally ill teenagers who believe they have what it takes to make money despite such people being only a tiny percentage of the population.
Then why do you even insert yourself into a topic you know nothing about?
Literally what is wrong with you?
>Being that toxic competitive player in games where your prospects of making it are microscopic is is hilariously sad
ANON
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE GUY'S POSITIVE COMPETITIVE EXPERIENCE WHERE IN FACT SAID GUY WASN'T TOXIC AND WAS ACTUALLY HAPPY AND POSITIVE DESPITE LOSING.
ARE YOU DIAGNOSED SOME KIND OF RETARDATION!?
And ironically enough you are being toxic and a total asshole inserting yourself to topic you know nothing about, are constantly proven wrong because surprise surprise you know nothing about it, then rely to petty insults and insists players are toxic for playing competitively with other competitive players. And some of them are better, and if they lose to that and are okay with it, that is somehow toxic?
Again. Are you actually retarded somehow? This isn't insult anymore, it's a genuine question.

AGAIN JUST AS A REMINDER
YOU INSERTED YOURSELF INTO A TOPIC YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

>>724774527
I've yet to see a single instance of this meme format present a fact

>>724786619
>Just because you don't like playing games, and cannot play them for fun

I play games to have fun
You play games to be pissed on by a "pro" and like it

We are not the same

A friendly reminder that tryhards ruin the gaming experience for noobies and spread the "challenge is fun" cancerous rhetoric that kills online gaming for everyone

>>724786436
>You can play pvp games without being a competitive e-sports player
Of course you can! All good for you!
>I came here for OP:s claim
Clearly not when you insert yourself into a discussion about stuff you don't know anything about.
Read before posting

>Want to play fighting game after long day
>Enjoy it because 90% of the time the game is fun and mostly everyone picks the rushdown characters or fun gimmicky characters
>You’re having fun for a bit
>That is until you come face to face with someone playing that zoner character
>That Zoner character who can throw out dozens of projectiles at once and forces you to play the fighting game like those laser maze scenes from spy/heist films, except for you being a fucking rectangle that can’t bend
>Zoner character is balanced around esports and Evo shit with $200 controllers, and not online with basic $30 controller
>The effort it takes to play the zoner character is also very minimal compared to the actual fun characters so you know your opponent is actually just dogshit and using a crutch
>Match ends up being a stomp because you need the percision of a brain surgion to beat the zoner character in person, not to mention lag and cheaper controllers
>Frustrated load into another match hoping to find someone playing a fun character
>Lmao nope it’s the grappler character who is also designed around esports and evo shit too
>A single 10 frame grab is capable of dealing 80% to most characters and he has 4 times as much HP as any other character
>You have to hit them 200 times while all they have to do is grab you once then do 2 jabs, so no pressure
>Oh and also said grab is an entire cutscene that takes 5 real world minutes to complete
I hate this notion that you can’t get mad if you’re “just playing to have fun” because it acts like there is no character or move can’t be unfun to play against.
It also lifts the blame off the opponent is intentionally tryharding at the game at the expense of everyone else. Why is the person who got their fun stripped away by someone playing like a little bitch being blamed for “taking the game too seriously”, but not the player who plays like a bitch specifically because he takes the game too seriously?

>>724786618
Nah you are retarded and you dont know what you are talking about and you most definitely never got into such a situation either.
People who play these games have all sorts of milestones on their journey.
Can be as minor as winning your first match period, or not going 0-2 at a no name online tournament with five entrants.

Actually getting to the point where you are considered good enough to be matchup practice for one of the best in the world is absolutely one of them.

I cant believe I even have to explain this your view point is actually pathetic.
YOU are the one who obsesses with what the so called "eceleb" thinks about it. Thats not what it is about at all you retard.

>>724786398
Is it talking shit to say that only a tiny percentage of players make "pro"? aka, you know, actually being able to bring in the bread from their competitions? (not some pitiful runnerups or consolation prizes, mind you)

Are you a professional? can you saying it's a fair aspiration for teens and young adults to chase after some unicorn gaming tournament money instead of, you know, playing the game for fun and not stressing over some retarded ELOs and ranks?

>>724786531
>what game do you play COMPETITIVELY
That question was about e-sports, brother

>>724786715
e-sports are by nature toxic,
I haven't seen a single community that's sane and cool, stop capslocking, it doesn't make you look more right or intelligent.

If I make the assumption that someone gets used for some pro's ego, what's that got to do with me "inserting myself in to a topic"
you people are the ones who specifically replied to me instead of all the others who pointed that experience out as something easily seen as humiliaiting,
hey, at least I'm replying and not baiting.

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>>724786886
>the only fun you can have in a fighting game is playing brainless rushdown vs rushdown

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>>724786618
He asked the anon for mu practice and that's pretty fucking cool in comp scene.
Do you play any game competitively and go to tourneys?
Please answer.

>>724787027
>Brainless spamming projectiles is ok though!

>>724786781
You getting pissed off in the first place is a sign of not playing for fun.

>>724786987
>People who play these games have all sorts of milestones on their journey
Yep, and playing just to be noticed by their parasocial deity is an extremely pathetic one to have.

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Just imagining a scenario where Messi walks up to an amateur football player and asks him if he wants to play for a bit, but then the new player says "no, that would be a humiliation ritual its more manly to not play at all".

THIS is how out of touch /v/ posters are.

>>724786845
>Read before posting
The initial impression I got from someone gushing about getting annihilated repeatedly by a pro would not have changed by reading it a thousand times,
Without further context, I would always call it humiliating to just suck some pro's toes just for that sweet opportunity to get pounded for an hour as a learning experience
That's why I said to each their own,
of course this situation is vastly diffferent if this pro was actually mentoring and teaching instead of just kicking ass as a warm up.

>>724787217
>Comparing real sports to e-"sports"
This the new cope for basements dwellers?

>>724774710
>he never played df

>>724787404
lol THIS is the cope levels we reach now.
lets ignore that football is literally a childrens game.

>>724787216
Bro the fucking guy won't even remember your name. You are not playing it so that they remember YOU, YOU THE OH GREAT ONE. Holy shit you are so fucking narcissistic.

>>724787216
mentally ill

>>724774527
>multiplayer
It isn't 2004 anymore.

>>724787459
Every game is a children's game

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>>724787007
>e-sports are by nature toxic,
I just don't
>If I make the assumption that someone gets used for some pro's ego, what's that got to do with me "inserting myself in to a topic"
...Yes you are. If fucking Magnus asked some mid-level chess player for warmup or something, would you be screeching that he's being used or something? You know nothing about competitive gaming. You know nothing about SFV most likely. And you think all e-sports is toxic.

If you were talking about a scene/hobby you are in(I hope you at least have some hobbies) and some fucking normalfag inserted him-/herself into topic and start telling you about how your scene is toxic and how you are being abused for some fucking random retarded logic and clearly showing they know nothing about the topic, would you say "wooooow I never realized! Thank you random person who knows nothing about my hobby/community for telling me how I should feel! You are completely right!"

>>724787404
Always has been,
even from CS 1.6 days, the e-sport pencil necks have always dreamt of being treated with similar prestige as some body-honed olympic goldmedalist

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>>724787463
>it is narcissistic to not worship the feet of someone who will not remember you and make it a permanent "best moment in my life" memory
Yeah, no, this is bait, I'm done.

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>>724786886
they raped fighting games because of retards like you.

>>724787663
You don't do it for external stimuli. Not for fame. Not for winning points. You do it because you like playing the fucking game and love to see the people who put their lives into the game. And you are not done with this because it's bait. You are done with this to protect your broken mind from being exposed. If you didn't continue doing that you wouldn't be like this in the first place.

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>>724786886
>Why is the person who got their fun stripped away by someone playing like a little bitch being blamed for “taking the game too seriously”, but not the player who plays like a bitch specifically because he takes the game too seriously?
because blaming people for playing the game in ways that are possible in the framework of the game is retarded.
drop the game at that point you will not be able to police the whole worlds population to play by rules you specifically feel are acceptable.
literally play something else.

>>724774527
Fag

>>724787576
I don't need to recount 20 years of FPS, moba and strategy games to tell you that e-sports is cancer,
WHY do you think I don't play them anymore? lol
It's not because I'm a failed pro, I simply loathe the people who think they are pro, strive to be pro, and then find themselves at age 28+, completely shitting the bed at having wasted years of their life getting good at a single game, only for that game to die or be replaced by the next thing.

E-sports are simply cringe, every pvp game should be enjoyed as recreational hobbby and not treated like a job

Fighting game players are hypocrite. They want new players to master execution within a year, meanwhile they rely on legacy skill. They get mad when devs simplify execution, because they think muscle memory = skill.

They won't buy a tekken sequel without legacy characters or familiar inputs. Every sequel, they play their 2 main characters with same moves.

People who play for fun, get mad because these esports/ranked cucks basically locks you out of playing the game itself.

This is further proved by how street fighter players only play sf seriously, tekken players only play tekken seriously, and are shit at every other franchise.

>>724787007
hey retard, what if people knew that "esports" isnt a valid career path and still participate in it because they think its enjoyable?
ever considered that possibility?

>>724788095
>WHY do you think I don't play them anymore?
probably because you plateau'd hard because you have terrible narcissistic traits that prevent you from actually improving.

>>724788095
Maybe like 0.01% of players actually do this esports thing to some degree. You didn't lose because you played vs them. You lost vs Joe. And now you're upset and coping about it.

>>724787558
correct. now where's the argument?

>>724788276
>now where's the argument?

Yeah where is yours? All you said footballs is a children's game .
e-"sport" fags can't fathom having fun.

>>724788159
I know a few masochists like that, nothing wrong with playing for some imaginany e-peen rank to flex it, it's only a problem when they become elitist about it, many games have been ruined for pandering to e-sports fanatics.

>>724788236
I never said I lost, I said I stopped.
There's gotta be something extremely wrong with anyone who's able to tolerate the atmosphere in some CS, LoL or Overwatch game these days, especially in ranked

>>724788491
goddamn you are retarded.

>>724781339
you things have more than one motivation, right? you're not dumb to think everything is monocausal, right?

Here's some enlightened info:
Everyone can master anything you want, all you need is time and discipline.

Being good at street fighter, football, starcraft means nothing. All you did was spent more time and discipline than your opponent. If you are not earning from sports but still wasting time on it then you are a pleb. All entertainment is cheap.

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>He doesn't play waifu characters with one hand and get wins in daily quick play matches
Not gonna make it ig.

>>724788651
>Being good at football means nothing
You have to be pretty damn fit to be competitive in football. You'll likely outlive every "eSport" cuck that doesn't know how to take care of himself at that point.

>>724788606
>goddamn you are retarded

Happy you finally realized your problem anon, you best take your meds as well. Wouldn't want you to think e-"sports" are actually sports or have any actual value outside of your basement, right?

>>724788651
But it's not a sport. It's entertainment. Just that some people aren't entertained by it, they only want to win.

>>724788763
retarded

>>724780072
If u knew anything about competition you have to play people better than u to improve

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>>724788757
counter strike pros mog the shit out of anorexic football manlets desu.

>>724788783
>But it's not a sport
wrong.

>>724787437
I have never lost a single game in DF or Rimworld because I always just savescum if something bad happens.
Losing is not fun. Ever.

>>724789038
So if someone asked what sports you do you would say video games?

>>724789107
I also lift.

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>>724789057
Holy shit. Are you that chud that posted himself abusing DKC save states a year and a half ago?
That explains why this thread is so rancid.

>>724789145
Ok?

>>724789145
Lifting your headphones to put on your head doesn't count anon....

>>724789172
I never posted that, but I do use save states when emulating classic games.

If you're not miserable while playing games you're not a real gamer.

>>724788095
Anon you sound like a bitter person.
What community or hobby do you have or belong in etc?

>>724780847
>I remember seeing posts like this years ago and people would be happy for the anon
Bull-fucking-shit.

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>>724789678
>Street Fighter V
Yeah, but no. That guy would've been railed if SF V released exactly how it was in 2009.

/v/ had SFV tournaments too you know.
of course you dont.

>E-sport
Only dumb teens care about such shit

>>724789963
It's not e-sports to click find match button.

>>724783210
Tryhards despise minmaxers though?

why would I ever not try hard

>>724784380
>some hotshot welder invited you to come by and took a huge shit on all your welds
Did he actually give advice on how to improve or did he just shit on everything? If the later, he did it to demoralize his potential competition, nothing more.

>>724786152
>you don't need to have fun with the product you bought goyim just play it PLAY IT JUST PLAY I NEED THE ENGAGEMENT METRICS!!

>this thread is still on going
bloody hell

>>724790315
You can learn just from seeing what he does.

>>724789145
based retard

>>724790627
No. You need to have fun. If you only get serotonin from winning or seeing the number go up, then you are not having fun from play itself.

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This has been one of the most absurd threads I have seen in a while.
Someone actually plays vidya and likes it, to the point he doesn't even mind losing to a pro or being a mu practice for said pro. In fact he's happy to been able to play against him(and even got a game from pro which is kinda cool)
And /v/ fucking loses it.
Starts calling it embarrassing.
Says it's humiliation/cuckoldry fetish.
Some insists it's abuse, and that all competitive gaming is toxic.
Some say it is loser behavior to be in any comp gaming community.
Most people don't know anything about comp gaming but starts talking like they know anything and how one should feel about playing comp and that pros shouldn't play against willing newbies/mid-level players etc.

Yeah, tourneyfags have always been tourneyfags but Jesus Christ. This is one of the best examples what is wrong with /v/. You simply can't even be happy for someone's non-mainstream hobby/experience. "You should be playing real sports". /v/ is basically blue /b/ but this is new level of normalfaggotry.

Imagine.
If you are good at vidya or want to be good at vidya and be in community where people like vidya, you are considered a loser in /v/.

>if you like candles but hate the smell of somebody shitting on your candle then you don't like candles

Maybe he shouldn't have described it in the absolute faggiest way possible.

>>724774730
SBMM is not made for "playing against people on their skill level" though. Not at all, actually. You absolute fucking RETARD!

>>724779245
Casualfag here, why do competitivetrannies refuse to play the game as is? Why do they insist on removing all fun mechanics because they hinder MUH META instead?

>>724790898
Didn't happen, stop samefagging

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>>724790898
Yes modern /v/ doesn't play games outside of mobile game slop and their obscure game from 2002 they spent the entire time since release playing. Would explain why some of the anons in this thread are butt pained from seeing others be good at modern releases.

I suddenly don't feel as soi for one of my favorite gaming moments being joining a streamer's minecraft server anymore

>>724790627
>And /v/ fucking loses it.
>Starts calling it embarrassing.
>Says it's humiliation/cuckoldry fetish.
>Some insists it's abuse, and that all competitive gaming is toxic.
>Some say it is loser behavior to be in any comp gaming community.
desu that was all the same guy.

>>724791130
thats not really a thing that happens much at all.
like there's smash being played without items I guess? cant think of anything else.

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Funbros...

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>>724791325
its fine if you had a good time.
on the flip side I once got into a discord server some /v/ grown youtuber set up and the whole place turned leftoid/trannified.
that was unpleasant.

its why I usually prefer to stick to much smaller circles of people online.

>>724792260
>compfag being dishonest as usual
Oh, I wasn't aware we were solely talking about Smash, I am terribly sorry.
You dishonest faggot

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>>724792269
>Struggling in KoF and FighterZ
this guy getting destroyed when this thread was happening live was hilarious.

>>724792493
well list some other examples.
Im sure you can think of many.

>>724792875
NTA but Overwatch legitimately died because of eSports compchasing and constant tweaks for the sake of "the meta"

>>724774710
It can be but the difference between being btfo and just losing are massive & thats what retards like op dont understand.

>>724774710
>>724793158
Depends on how many players there are too.
It's easier to have fun and yet lose in a team game than a 1v1, significantly moreso in a free for all, deathmatch, or battle royale.

>>724788028
>because blaming people for playing the game in ways that are possible in the framework of the game is retarded.
That’s like saying you shouldn’t hate a company because they avoid giving benefits to their employees because the legal system has loopholes that legislators didn’t account for.
The company 100% knows what they are doing is wrong, but decides to screw over people because they technically can and it benefits them.
People who play like bitches are doing the same thing with multiplayer games.

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>This guy is still sperging out
If you spent this time training with whatever character you wanted to use, you'd have made good progress by now. Then again I am calculating based on IQ higher than a toddler's.

>>724793846
wow thats a terrible analogy.

>>724793942
He's too busy imagining the fanfiction about himself getting invited to get pounded by his favorite e-sports streamer

>>724774527
Its kind of odd. I had fun playing Team Fortress even if I lose, but in Overwatch I got really frustrated if I lose.

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>>724774527
I say this when I lose to not lose (heh) face and to make the other dude look like a tryhard.

>>724777486
>onions
Newfag

>>724794909
this is literally me wtf

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>this thread
What a read. Same level of insecurity that one schizo teen had with Mario games. Fucking amazing.

>games are literally designed friction
>people experience friction in games
>get mad
/v/ is dead you're all a bunch of scrub retards

>>724795856
many games these days are actually designed to gas you up instead.

>>724796335
Yeah because ppl got too whiny and won't play the game unless they get number go up to infinity.

What are some good 1v1 PvP games for smurfing/sandbagging? I hate losing but it feels so good to humiliate newbies.
I mainly do it in Starcraft 2 and online Chess. Just tanking my rating to rape beginners over and over.

>>724790898
People who were passionate about video games shitposted about hating them and eventually found themselves surrounded by people who genuinely hate video games and were retarded enough to think they're in good company.

>play for fun with 5 hours gameplay
>get invaded by 2000 hours sweatlord
>get matched against streamer who has 10000 hours in the game
>get matched against a full stack party solo q
>can’t have fun anymore
Pvp is ruined by these subhumans

>>724788095
>It's not because I'm a failed pro, I simply loathe the people who think they are pro, strive to be pro, and then find themselves at age 28+, completely shitting the bed at having wasted years of their life getting good at a single game, only for that game to die or be replaced by the next thing.
Heeyyy there it is! Anon lays his life story flat out there. Don't worry anon I'm 31 and probably wasted more time than you, there's always time to make a change

>>724777486
These posts read like a woman.

>>724782798
You see, there are unironic cucks ITT

>>724787217
kek'd
cute hog

>just looking for normal love
>get raped
>" hmm you seem upset that you got raped, mayhaps you weren't actually looking for love after all :)"

>>724790898
The absolute state of c/v/ck

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>>724790898
To be fair modern competitive games are fucking shit and they're basically hamster wheels to get you to buy microtransactions and play for as long as possible even though you're not really having fun, it's like if they put opium in fast food. It's not healthy and people don't really feel the need to play anything else at all unless they find something that's very appealing to them (and hopefully not ANOTHER garbage competitive game) or they deliberately try to shake it off. Team Fortress 2 is the last good competitive game with a good amount of popularity and it's sad that the only thing game developers took from it were the lootboxes.

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>>724788110
>people want their games to play like the games they like
damn what a revelation you truly figured it out.

legacy skill isnt infinite by the way. people plateau and its not that hard to reach the plateau most veterans are at.
and yeah if you whine about execution you are a loser thats just factual.

>>724798382
They have hamster wheel elements because OTHERWISE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE LOSING WOULDN'T PLAY THEM.

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>anon is STILL throwing a temper tantrum in this thread
I'm browsing because this amuses me. But now this is just getting sad.

>>724788110
>muh hard inputs
There was this fighting game where they made all moves 1 button presses but guess what happened? Yeah the players with strong fundamentals and neutral still won and people like you got mad and quit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrLOennA43U

>>724793158
So if you get btfo you... practice? Or do you still not practice and complain about it online?

>>724800285
That's the thing, the management of such games pursues retention above all else (the more people play the more likely they are to attract other players and spend additional money on the game) and so they push the idea that it's unthinkable for a game to lose players over time and not be as popular anymore even though it's perfectly normal for people to not want to play a multiplayer game as much anymore, so they add all sorts of hooks to get people to keep playing it.
>"50/50" matchmaking where people go on winning and losing streaks, banking on the idea that people will forget about the loss streaks and remember the rush of winning so they keep playing because "it feels good"
>seasonal battle passes that take a really long time to fill out and sometimes need to pay money to fully unlock all the things on it
>the cosmetic system itself which makes people feel good for being able to parade their cosmetics
>daily login bonuses and daily events to fill out
>never-ending amount of updates that constantly change things (which often don't need that much changing) to get players to revisit the game
>heavily sub-divided ranked system (even if the competitive games are often team-based) where people are incentivized to climb it primarily for bragging material, which also dilutes any criticism of the game's balancing ("I'm ultra interstellar quartz rank bro, that thing you're complaining about is not a problem, get good")
>every time something new is released it's often overpowered to encourage people to buy it early before it gets nerfed
>punishing for leaving
Those are usually a pretty blatant sign that the game is made to maximize money and not fun, so that's why I don't respect modern competitive games. Note how some of those overlap with gacha, and not all of those apply to all competitive games but most of them do. Compare all that to Unreal Tournament 2004, both it and Quake 3 Arena were played a lot in the past before people simply stopped playing them.

never seen a good player in anything cry about skill based matchmaking.
good matchmaking should in fact try to get you into a 50% winrate over time as long as there arent one of the best players in the world.

>>724774527
people don't really get mad when they lose do they?

>>724801565
And how do you design a game that "genuine true fun"? People don't like losing. That's it. So they need to add some other things. Things, where you cannot lose at. That is also why number go up roguelites are so popular. Because you cannot fucking lose. Just keep playing and you will get bigger number.

>>724803090
Honestly Team Fortress 2 already did it really well.
>servers can support up to 24-32 players divided in two teams, which minimizes the pressure put on each individual player to perform well or else they'd fail their team, making things more relaxed and casual
>cooperative taunts encourage funny, relaxed shenanigans between teams and I don't think I've seen a single competitive game rip this thing off
>players can leave at any time with no real penalty if they don't want to play anymore, not a big deal
>wide variety of gamemodes and maps for people to enjoy, available at all times (even the matchmaking system itself turned out to be good for bringing back obscure official maps that community servers wouldn't run)
>community servers that can run all sorts of unofficial gamemodes and maps beyond what the base game already has
>unique PvE gamemode with up to 6 players against hordes of robots
>loadout system allows heavy customization of class playstyles
>trade system that lets players trade items with each other
>no modern shooter plights (aim-down sights on all weapons, recoil, run & gun accuracy penalty, crouching-based shooting etc.) that encourage putting a lot of micro-effort into the act of trying to land hits on someone in front of you
Not only does it give people plenty of choice in what they wanna have fun with but how they wanna have fun with it too, and there's not that much pressure to seek victory at all costs. It's not perfect though, what with the cosmetics and lootboxes and the F2P system but it's still far, far better than most modern competitive games that are pretty much forgettable. I wouldn't mind if they ripped off the things that TF2 did right but they didn't, they only took the lootboxes and battle passes from Valve's games (although Valve's other competitive games suck, except for Day of Defeat which is neat) and also the sprays (but replaced uploading images with buying pre-approved cosmetic sprays, or unboxing them).

>>724804832
I'm sorry to inform you but most people sticked to TF2 just because of the fucking lootboxes. Most of the players even today are just bots, and that is why you have to pay like 50 refined for 1 key instead of 3 ref what it used to be. So tired of these le old game so good then people themselves don't even play them and moved into something else.

>>724774527
I don't mind losing even a lot, but it isn't fun to keep losing over and over again.

>>724806130
>Most of the players even today are just bots
I wanted to include that it still has a consistent 10-20k players even though the game was released in 2007 and the last weapon balance update was released in 2017 but I ran out of post space. I like that it has technically outlasted Overwatch 1 thanks to Blizzard's attempt at repackaging the game.
And yeah I think the cosmetic system was still them adding opium, I don't really like that.
Still though, the game is still consistently the most fun I have with modern competitive games nowadays, I don't think there's any that are more fun than it.

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>>724804832
You like TF2 because it isn't a competitive game. It's not the 'last good competitive shooter', you just don't actually like competitive games.

>>724808690
It's a competitive game, it's just that it's fun.

>>724810880
when has TF2, ever, been marketed as a competitive game?

>>724810880
No, it isn't. It's only competitive if you want to dilute the term by considering every PvP game competitive. TF2 is not what anybody has in mind when they think of a competitive shooter except the handful of people playing custom game modes with their own rulesets trying to force it into one. Like, half the reasons you give for it being a good competitive game is that people don't take it seriously or really care about winning. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, for the record, but it's like complaining there's no good racing sims anymore and your last good one that everybody should copy is Mario Kart.

>>724811441
It's competitive because it's team-based PvP with its roots in arena shooters, it's a competitive game anon. I guess the term was hijacked and now when people think of "competitive game" they think of 3v3 to 6v6 matches where the teams are trying pretty hard to win, or maybe battle royales. I enjoy competitive games, it's just that modern ones suck.
>>724811851
>It's only competitive if you want to dilute the term by considering every PvP game competitive
Yeah pretty much. You posted this when I finished typing to the other anon and posted that thing about hijacking
>Mario Kart
I mean, I didn't play Mario Kart but if the racing games were pretty much the same boilerplate realistic sports car racing track simulator with pretty much no gameplay beyond that and Mario Kart had a ton of maps and gamemodes and you could goof around or play seriously and had - actually the allegory is breaking down here, but basically it's hard to compare TF2 to the rest because it just outdoes them pretty hard. Maybe Halo comes closer because it has plenty of gamemodes too and maps with vehicles. I don't think I've seen a fun one recently except The Finals, and even that suffers from some of the competitive game red flags I mentioned some posts ago.

>>724812804
I don't think the term was really hijacked as much as given actual meaning and purposefully using it instead of just saying PvP is inviting misunderstandings like this. I also personally don't really recall people referring to every PvP game as a competitive game either anyway so it's not like it was a common thing.

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>>724774527
>LOOK BOYS IT'S AN INVADER LET'S GET HIM AND TEABAG
>NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST KILL ME WHEN I'M ALONE AIEEEEEE FUCKING TRYHARDS HE WAS READY FOR INVASIONS BUT I WASN'T EVEN THOUGH IT'S A 3V1

>>724813306
Fair. Though Team Fortress 2 is still competitive, it just isn't the "concentrate on winning" kind and that's a good thing because it means the game itself can be fun without having to win

>>724814118
Usually when people use term "competitive", they mean more the setting than game itself. Like casual Smash with all items and stages could be called "competitive", but like everyone knows if you say "competitive smash", you mean no items, limited stages, and set rules with stage bans and character pick order etc.
I think TF2 goes to same category. When people say "competitive" with TF2, it usually makes people think about sixes or highlander. Not a playing 5 maps in row with random teams and leaving in middle of match because you feel like it. Same with other fighters, shooters, and ASSFAGGOTS(tho they are muddying the "casual" and competitive)
PvP is the neutral term for a game to instantly explain "ah, it's player versus player". I'm not sure if TF2 was ever marketed as a "competitive fps", or just as a "multiplayer fps" or smth. Correct me if I'm wrong tho.

Competition in general has strict set rules and everyone is expected to follow them in competitive setting and not just randomly leave for example.

>>724793846
You are comparing Player versus Player
To
Worker vs Company with all legal power and unless you take into account unions etc. you still would be having a very, VERY asymmetric versus mode... Which doesn't even make sense as it isn't competition nor game nor makes any fucking sense.
Like I'm not sure that in what universe your comparison makes sense. I came up with few better ones but hell if I'm gonna argue your points.