Sequels are always underwhelming.Even if they objectively improve on the original, they never get the same amount of love and respect.Examples:All the Sony sequelsHades 2Max Payne 2KCD 2Mass Effect 2Silksong
>>724779781Counterpoint: Dark Souls 2
Just Cause 2Resident Evil 2retard
Sly Cooper
>>724779781/v/ will hang me for saying this however someone must be a contrarian to the contrariansHalf-Life 2 > Half-Life 1
>>724779781Sonic 2 is better than Sonic 1. And sonic 1 was my first game ever. Spin dash makes it more fun.
Advance Wars and Super Smash Bros. were both made obsolete with the release of Advance Wars 2 and Melee>Mass Effect 2All of the Mass Effect games suck if you're playing them individually
counter examples:THPS 2Jagged Alliance 2Star Control 2 Street Fighter 2And Uncharted 2 is the unanimously preferred Sony sequel
>>724779819Sure thing contrarian kun >>724779826Alright ill take JC
>>724779781tales of xillia/thread
>>724779781Suikoden 2
>>724779781Megaman 2
>>724779781devil may cry
>>724779781Dark Souls 2 and Samurai Warriors 2 jump to mind.Left 4 Dead 2.Monster Rancher 2.Sonic Adventure 2.No doubt there's more I just can't think of them immediately.
>>724779781Metal GearMetal Gear SolidZone of the EndersStreet FighterDark SoulsFatal FrameWarcraftPhantasy StarStar OceanJust a few off the top of my head
>>724779781I would actually say most 2nd games are better if I had to guess.for me a good one is halo 2. It's more linear than ce but I actually had way more fun with 2. I think the linear set pieces were well crafted and the story was great. I also enjoyed legendary and think the people crying about it is overdone.That's just one from the top of my head but I generally feel like this is the case for most sequels (sly cooper, half life, lunar etc.)
>>724779781Hello? Dark Souls?
>>724779819Based kinosseur
>>724779781First game is made because someone had a vision. Second game is made because first game made money.
>>724779781Dark SoulsRed Dead RedemptionFar CryFallout>b-but the reception doe!I don't care about the biased reception of the unwashed masses.
>>724779781>Mass Effect 2>Resident Evil 2>Dark Cloud 2>Sly Cooper 2>Hades 2>Dead Space 2Off the top of my head.
Crash Bandicoot 2Silent Hill 2Gex 2Twisted Metal 2Monster Hunter 2Risk of Rain 2Helldivers 2Kingdom Hearts 2Dark Cloud 2Danganronpa 2Diablo 2Dead Space 2Infamous 2
>>724779781Unless there's some kind of major technical leap actually warranting a sequel, often times it ends up feeling like a downgrade even if there's a bigger budget. It's just more of the same with a new paint of coat but something can still get lost in the process. >>724779864I like HL1 more than HL2, but I would say Source mods were better than GoldSrc mods especially for multiplayer. And VtMB is one of my favorite games made on the Source engine.
>>724779781dmc 2 mogs dmc 1 thoughbeit
>>724780270>Silent Hill 2major downgrade in gameplay. enemies had more symbolism but less variety in how they functioned as game enemies. >Kingdom Hearts 2it's common to say the gameplay got a bit better but everything else got worse and a lot of people disliked it>Diablo 2fun playing casually with friends but i still missed the darker atmosphere of 1 and that it wasn't so focused on random loot and crafting and all that shit
>>724779781>Street Fighter 2>Borderlands 2>Silent Hill 2>Red Dead Redemption 2>Mass Effect 2>Assassin's Creed 2>Diablo 2>The Sims 2>Team Fortress 2>Resident Evil 2>Baldur's Gate 2>Ori and the Will of the Wisps>Battlefield 2>Batman Arkham City>GTA 2>THPS 2>Half-Life 2>Helldivers 2>Silksong>The Witcher 2/3>Warcraft 2/3>SOCOM 2>Star Wars Battlefront 2(PS2)>Ratchet & Clank 2>Divinity: Original Sin 2>Tomb Raider 2Just off the top of my head.
Ninja Gaiden 1 is better than 2
Fear 2
>>724779781romancing saga 2saga frontier 2mario bros 2super mario world 2mega man 2metroid 2mario land 2tobal 2bushido blade 2final fantasy 2street fighter 2 (and street fighter alpha 2 especially)drod rpg 2phantasy star 2dragon slayer 2lords of the realm 2warcraft 2diablo 2half life 2portal 2that's about all i can think of off the top of my head right now, play more videogames before making threads, retard
>>724779895>Uncharted 2 is the unanimously preferred Sony sequelKillzone 2 and Little Big Planet 2 are up there as well
>>724780427>Red Dead Redemption 2Third game>The witcher 2/3 >Mass effect 2 >Half life 2Nah , the rest I agree or I havent played.
DS2 was better than DS1 and I've yet to hear and actual argument that's not based on feelings, nostalgia and/or groupthink to prove otherwise
>>724780710i haven't played any of them, but i hear ds2 has a bunch of king's fieldian elements to it, since it was apparently directed by the king's field guy, so for me i can believe it is better, but also a lot of people just don't like king's field so it also makes sense to me why ds2 is so widely hated
Poker Nights >>724780476lol Fear 2 is abysmal dogshit
>>724780710DS1 has a better map that's connected and feels less sluggish at first because there's no adaptability. DS2 does most other things better though.
>>724780710Dead Space? Dark Souls?Death Stranding?
>>724779781XenobladeNiohDiabloStarcraft Final Fantasy
>>724779781DKC2
Quake 2 was better than Quake.Unreal Tournament was better than Unreal.Pretty sure Doom 2 was better than Doom too, but I don't remember these well.
Do people seriously prefer Final Fantasy 2 over 1?
>>724779864I prefer HL1, but I can see why people would prefer HL2, and like both at the end of the day. It's not a choice that'd make anyone mad, I think.
>>724780270>SH2>Diablo 2Downgrades.>Helldivers 2Not even a sequel to the first game.
Halo
>>724779781It's trueMother 1 > Mother 2Portal 1 > 2Smash Bros 64 > MeleeGuild Wars 1 > 2It's because regression is actually interesting. The flaws, the grit, the crunch, the jank, the original intent of the poise. After the first release, they overpolish and/or follow things that generated revenue, not intrigue. Also team bloat and diluting the vision of the original creator.
>>724779781>megaman 2>megami tensei ii>street fighter 2>shin megami tensei ii>resident evil 2>persona 2>soul calibur 2>megaman battle network 2A lot of sequels do get it right actually.
>>724782158megami tensei 2 is way too long and becomes a real slog, i prefer the brevity and literal straight-forward structure of megami tensei 1
midtown madness 2 is straight up an improvement over the original and people are still making content for it today
>>724779819OP obliterated>>724779924Reatrd
>>724782265I feel the complete opposite. The map design in SMT is abhorrent, you can't get any sense of distance traveled and its an absolute chore to navigate the overworld, its also stupidly easy to get lost, I lost track of how many times I had to look up a guide for where to go next.On top of that you've got the absolute dogwater time wasting final dungeon that wants you to go up and down 15 floors of labyrinth and they even fucking expect you to go out and do a fetch quest and then come back (thankfully the piss poor programming makes this optional in reality)Its the only MegaTen game I've played where I could not wait for it to be over cause it was such a slog. It sucks man.
>>724782817i wasn't talking about smt at all though, i was talking about megami tenseiyou know, the two fucking games on famicom that came BEFORE smt? ("b-but muh telenet pc megami tensei" never played it, don't care) i've never played a single smt for more than 5 minutes, they took everything bad about megami tensei 2 and turn it up to eleven, based on what i saw before i noped the fuck out
>>724783273>i wasn't talking about smt at all though, i was talking about megami tenseiOh so you're just actually retarded then, I see.Megami Tensei 2 is the peak of the series.
>>724779781It happens a lot, you're just an idiot.SonicSonic Adventure MetroidMetroid PrimeMotherTeam Fortress
>>724780270Kingdom Hearts 2 is not the second Kingdom Hearts, and 1 > CoM
>>724779874Smelee is a shitty broken game though that mentally ill troons who killed Hax likes. Brawl is the best Smash game and only people in the above group disagree.
>>724783329nah, it started out strong with the whole playing a pseudo megami tensei 1 inside megami tensei 2 thing, that part was sick, everything after that sucked fucking ass though
Based reverse psychology spoonfeeding. I bet you guys can't list games that aren't shit!!
>>724779781Saints row 2 was pretty based
>>724779781shrek 2 exists
>>724779781Halo 2 > Halo CEDiablo 2: LoD > DiabloSplinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow > Splinter CellDark Forces II: Jedi Knight > Dark ForcesRogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader > Rogue SquadronTIE Fighter > X-WingDino Crisis 2 > Dino CrisisKotOR II: The Sith Lords > KotORTony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 > Tony Hawk's Pro SkaterMega Man 2 > Mega ManMega Man Zero 2 > Mega Man ZeroFallout 2 > FalloutBaldur's Gate II > Baldur's GateFarcry 2 > FarcryJust Cause 2 > Just CauseTurok 2: Seeds of Evil > Turok: Dinosaur HunterBatman: Arkham City > Batman: Arkham AsylumHalf-Life 2 > Half-LifeSystem Shock 2 > System ShockSaints Row 2 > Saints RowFable 2 > FableARMA 2 > ARMAGuitar Hero 2 > Guitar HeroBattlefront 2 (2005) > Battlefront (2004)Battlefield: Bad Company 2 > Battlefield: Bad CompanyWH40k Space Marine 2 > WH40k Space MarineHelldivers 2 > Helldivers
>>724783573>stop discussing ANYTHING, it's a psyop!
>>724783694>Mega Man Zero 2 > Mega Man ZeroEvery single first sequel in a series inticreates has worked on has been dogshit and Z2 is no exception.
>>724780414KH2 is ass outside of the boss fights. Awful mob design. Awful level design.
>>724779895>star control 2MY NIGGER
>>7247840623 > 1 > 2 > 4And they're all better than X 3-8Why is it that they kicked so much ass with Classic MM, MMZ, CotM and BMZ, but everything else they've made falls apart?
>>724779874Playing Advance Wars 2 without 1 is like playing Symphony of the Night without Rondo. Fuck, Japan never got them separately, and HD kiddies only played them bundled as well.
>>724783694>Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight > Dark Forces>Dino Crisis 2 > Dino Crisis>Helldivers 2 > HelldiversThese aren't sequels in anything but name. They aren't worth comparing.Fallout, Baldur's Gate, Arkham Asylum and System Shock are all better than their sequels. People confuse more content/complexity with better games.
>>724779781Toy Story 2
>>724779781Dangitronpaul
Jesus OP got destroyed pretty quick
>>724784817>>Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight > Dark Forces>>Dino Crisis 2 > Dino Crisis>>Helldivers 2 > Helldivers>These aren't sequels in anything but name. They aren't worth comparing.U fokking wot? They're literally sequels with the same protaganist(s) from the first. Except HD2. Dark Forces II went from a DOOM clone to a 3D FPS. Dino Crisis 2 is still a fixed camera angle Resident Evil but with dinosaurs. Kyle Katarn, Jan Ors and Regina are all in their respective sequels. The only one that maybe fits your argument is Helldivers since the first one was a top down shooter. But even then that's a reach. You're still a faceless trooper fighting for Super Earth. >spoilerJesus Christ, you're retarded.
>>724785642>Dark Forces II went from a DOOM clone to a 3D FPSYeah, it's a completely different genre of game. They're not even remotely comparable.>Dino Crisis is same!Are you retarded? 2 is an action game where 1 was survival horror.>Admits that Helldivers 2 plays nothing like 1, "but the story is the same!!!"You're either autistic or stupid. My point was that these games aren't similar at all. They have the same branding, the words connect them, but the actual engines and game systems are entirely different. Comparing them is as retarded as comparing Zelda 1 and 2. 2 got the Zelda brand slapped on to sell units, it's not a reasonable point of comparison.>Only engagement with nuance in taste is "YER STOOPID"Ok so yeah, autistic or retarded, got it.
>>724779781Dark SoulsNiohBaldur's GateSystem ShockDiabloMGS
>>724779781Paper Mario 2 >>> Paper Mario 1Octopath 2 >>> Octopath 1Melee >>> Smash 64Final Fantasy XIII-2 >>> Final Fantasy XIIITears of the Kingdom >>> Breath of the WildMonster Rancher 2 >>> any other Monster RancherIt happens decently often.
>>724779781System shock 2
>>724779781NFS underground 2
>>724787525False
Jak
CK2 > CK
>no one ITT mentioned Hitman 2
Rarchet and Clank 2 is better than 1
>>724781254>Unreal Tournament was better than Unreal.You can't compare multiplayer and single player FPSAlso the actual Unreal 2 sucked
>>724779781You sure about that?
>>724779781It happened for Freespace. The sequel improved a bunch of stuff and people are still making mods and campaigns for it.
>>724779781But it has happened
>>724780113Came here to say this. Halo 2 also had online multiplayer back in the wild west days when XBox Live was basically unmoderated.
>>724780414>This nigga trying to say that Diablo 1 is better than Diablo 2Lmao
>>724780710>>724780848DS2 is an interesting case. Almost a real life Mandela effect in that it is a good game with the ghost of a bad game standing behind it. It's one of those cases where herd thinking hasn't caught up with reality yet.The reason for this is that DS2 has existed in 2 states. When it launched, it was actually a buggy mess that people had a legitimate negative reaction to. This is when most people copy-pasted their impression of the game from.Then, Scholar of the First Sin fixed most of the bugs and added more content. So anyone playing SotFS edition had a good experience/impression of the game. Now the good version of the game is fighting the herd opinion that was already formed by the initial launch.As time goes on, the SotFS edition will win, as it is the only version that gets played now. It's just taking a really long time for some reason. Contrast this with games like No Man's Sky and Cyberpunk 2077 that patched up their shitty releases and immediately became universally beloved. I think the difference here is that DS2 went from bad to good, while those games went from bad to amazing.tldr; The opinion of the masses who have never played the game can be slow to catch up to nuanced changes.
>>724793069This is also why justifications of DS2 being a shitty game come down to weird rationalizations like "floatiness" or "map connectivity", things that are nonsensically subjective or tertiary to the actual gameplay.
>>724779781Silksong is better than Hollow Knight by a few orders of magnitude. I'm sorry you feel betrayed that you're expected to actually play the game now.
>>724783716this, but unironically
>>724784509because inti needs tardwranglers
