Was the leveling experience always so shitty, even in 2004?>do the exact same 5 quests but with different skins over and over for hundreds of hours>nobody ever talks, world chat is completely dead>nobody groups up outside of dungeons, so it's a single player game with all the negatives of an mmoWas it this shitty in 2004 or is this a modern phenomenon? I can imagine in 2004, people socialized a lot more with strangers. Things like talking to strangers over the internet were still not taken for granted. Also, open world was a relatively new and mind-blowing thing at the time. I can imagine doing the same reskinned 5 quests over and over again felt more exciting back then.I've made two classic characters since 2019 and both times I've gotten burned out at lvl 25 just because of how insanely boring it gets at that point. Even when playing it as a "second monitor" game the boredom is mind-numbing. Literally no one socializes. The world feels dead. Might be an EU realm thing because half of the realm population consists of humorless german autistics and rude french assholes.
>>724781729Nobody cares about the quests. Nobody reads them. Everyone knows that quests are just a vehicle to get the player to explore the beautiful zones and get immersed.
>>724781729People actually grouped up back in 2004 even though it was quicker to solo quest/grind. People changed
>>724781805true no one read them, but thats because the quest window is horrible and the text is too tinythe quests themselves are the main vehicle of the game, without quests player just leave the zone. the least visited zones are the zones with almost 0 quests in them
>>724781729>>do the exact same 5 quests but with different skins over and over for hundreds of hourslet me guess, you need more?>>nobody ever talks, world chat is completely deadthat's a modern problem>>nobody groups up outside of dungeons, so it's a single player game with all the negatives of an mmoanother modern problem. While WoW admittedly always had some anti-social design, there was never a real penalty to questing with a partner so long as it meant you were killing things twice as fast.
>>724781805Immersed in what exactly? Killing mindless mobs at a snails pace with the exact same skill rotations for hours. Occasionally some rogue 20 levels above you one shots you out of nowhere and you have to run back to your corpse. After hours of playing, all the social interaction was some player on the same faction hogging quest mobs and refusing to group up. And some guy saying LFM [Quest 8 levels above you] and him not even getting a reply because nobody talks.
>>724781729What's next, are you going to complain about gameplay in Pong being too basic?
>nobody ever talks, world chat is completely deadWasn't in 2004, nor in 2020 when classic launched. The novelty of conversing with people online has worn off and thus the social aspect of MMOs has died with it.
>>724782285If you don't feel immersed casting fire balls under the mushrooms of zangarmarsh as the rain falls on the water then maybe you're just a sociopath
>>724781729>nobody ever talks, world chat is completely dead>nobody groups up outside of dungeons, so it's a single player game with all the negatives of an mmoNeither of those things are true, provided you are willing to start conversations and help people. I added about 20 people to my friends list after things just in the last month, and that was while playing a mage who spent 80% of his time AoE grinding. >>724781805Turn off restedxp auto turnins. There are fun quest here and there.
played classic the last time in 23 and i actually had fun time leveling (outside of getting ganked by bored lvl 60s) much better than the actual classic release when everyone was just trying to aoe dungeon farm.but yes classic leveling can be a bit grindy and not everyone want to talk or team up but i still met some nice people along the way.
>>724781729>have to transfer off Maladath because population collapse for Nightslayer >Black lotus is 125g each >Mongoose is 30gShit is actually deranged at the moment >>724783692Honestly the biggest issue is a lot of people are introverts. If you start a conversation they'll hold it but they wont initiate. If you want things to be social YOU have to kick it off.
>>724781805I read them and I enjoy them.I'm sorry you're retarded.
>>724783919Blizzard are chronic retards that fuck a lot of shit up but a lot of issues people anons like >>724782285 have is that they suck at the game
>>724781729no in 2004 the whole internet was different, no thirdies and no mindless normies. also people didnt use things like discord, only raiders went on team speak or ventrilo, or like youd have an after school hang out server but you didnt live on it. back then people actually interacted with each other, now you have bots, gold farmers, and zoomies following a quest arrow on autopilot while on discord with their friends
>>724784005>>724783853
>i think the black immigrants are a problem in the we->money stolensuck my dick
>>724782285>and him not even getting a reply because nobody talks.they whisper him, dumbass. you can't see the private replies in world chat
i must be the only person on the planet who actually enjoys the WoW world, environment, music, art, etc. That is the genius of WoW. the combat and questing are fun, but it's truly just a vehicle to go see red ridge, or duskwood, or stranglethorn vale, or the pirates in tanaris, etc etc
>>724781729For me it was always a comfy experience just leveling by myself. I never talked with anyone or did dungeons / raids. Just doing quests and exploring the world.
>>724782285>Immersed in what exactly?The world? Are you retarded?
>>724782224>but thats because the quest window is horrible and the text is too tinyI agree with this take only time i ever read this stuff is if i can enlarge the font and change text size.
>>724784339No, millions of people enjoy it. A loud minority of people will bitch about every single thing because it's their personality.I run into plenty of people in Classic just leveling and enjoying the game without rushing themselves in a manic frenzy.
>>724784339This is why WoW is still so popular despite its drawbacks. Most people who play the game aren't like the ones posting on /v/ or even /wowg/, they just like being in the zones because they're easy on the eyes and feel cozy.
>>724781729leveling as a group is unironically better in modern versions of wow compared to vanilla.vanilla WoW has stupid quest design where the whole party fights over quest turnin items, which just slows everything down, especially since you often gotta wait for respawns of mob camps.people realize that, so they dont group together.reminder that WoW was originally advertised as THE mmo where you can level solo.
>>724781729>do the exact same 5 quests but with different skins over and over for hundreds of hoursYes, this was actually ground breaking at the time because most other mmo's had you squat in dungeons or "camping" spots for hours on end, grinding the same respawning mobs over and over again.>nobody ever talks, world chat is completely dead>nobody groups up outside of dungeons, so it's a single player game with all the negatives of an mmoThis wasn't a problem in 2004 though, comparatively, it was, for its time, the most "single player friendly" mmo.
>>724783853>Honestly the biggest issue is a lot of people are introvertsdisagree.. in my experience, while a lot of people claim to be introverts, they're really just socially rejected extroverts. You can get them talking, and they will talk about shit that NO one wants to hear about (like politics, or the jews, or whatever crazy thing they want to speak about), or they're just socially abrasive. They are friendless and alone for a reason, and that reason isn't social anxiety or being introverted. I say this as someone who might be naturally extroverted, and engages everyone in conversation to whatever level they are comfortable with. I see it a TON. I wish that the world was as you see it, with a lot of interesting introverts just sitting around waiting to be approached.
>>724784985>>724785048based, this gives me hope for the game then
>>724781729The quality of people online has gone to shit. In 2004 the majority of people online were white and mostly well adjusted. They were either people with jobs or teens from well off families that can afford computers and internet.Nowadays the people online are fucking pajeets, mental cases, trannies.In the past I met likeminded people online and met girls, two of them became my girlfriends. You wouldn't know what you will get if you talk to a random person online.Now you talk to someone and it's some pajeet retard. After enough encounters online you just stop bothering with random people.If you make the mistake of trying to talk to people online you'll get some weird freak bothering you and he'll start asking you where you are from and he'll want to see pictures of your dick.
>>724788031Very true. I think a lot of it comes from the fact that people now just talk in discord though, guild chats and local chats used to be a lot more chatty. Even on mobas I used to use in game VOIP to talk to friends, which would result in talking to randoms. Nowadays I would always just use discord or a direct call
>>724781729>do the exact same 5 quests but with different skins over and over for hundreds of hoursKino>nobody ever talks, world chat is completely dead>nobody groups up outside of dungeons, so it's a single player game with all the negatives of an mmoLiesKys
dead dogshit tranny game
Stinky noshoes hordies ruined it.
Ignoring the changing demographics of online users, a big reason why WoW isn't as fun as it could be is that the game was shit out unfinished and instead of finishing the game they released expansions that simply move to the next bit of content and old content is abandoned.What sucks is that the side content is bad. Take professions as an example. Shit sucks. You can't make anything of any value until you hit max level when you will be able to craft 1 single piece of gear that is usable for 1 specific spec. The entire point of blacksmithing is that you can make a helmet that is good for a warrior.The professions are money sinks that require you to buy items from other people, like enchanters being forced to buy overpriced rods from engineers.You make pure trash you only make to get your level higher, then to make things worse the professions are designed that at a certain point the only way to progress in the profession is to go to middle of nowhere and grind some mob for a 0.5% drop of some shit just so you can get 5 more points and learn the next useless blueprints.Blizzard had to fix this shit and give you better things to craft. They should have done things like make locked chests more common and have better loot so people who craft keys can open them. If you are a tailor you should be able to craft better cloth than quest rewards.A lot of the game is like this. There is no point do doing this extra shit. WoW is just raiding. PvP sucks and is pointless. There is no meaningful world pvp. There is nothing you can do with gold.
What's the best way to play 1-60 classic nowadays with no expansion being added? Retail classic? Turtle? Hardcore? I don't wanna start and be forced to turn it into tbc, it's only vanilla for me.
>>724781729We got rude French assholes in FFXIV too. What a coincidence.
The leveling experience is the best part. The end game is the more boring part.
>>724790809some expansions tried to address the crafting issue.blacksmithing has always been the historically shittiest one that could only be justified by the toppest end guilds funneling materials into a smith.in later WoW expansions they let Blacksmiths forge belt buckles with gem slots. thats not massive, but its something.imo the aim should be to be like alchemy. always useful in every expansion and vanilla too. sometimes not massive, but "nice to have". or alternatively like engineering which is a very selfish profession but has tons of fun tools.
>>724781729>Was the leveling experience always so shitty, even in 2004?Yes. If you didn't make friends by level 30 you may as well quit because it never gets any better.
>>724781805I read them and find (some of) them integral to the experience as a whole. I talked about it with some friends recently and was suprised they had no idea who the Defias were, why Westfall is such a shithole currently etc.
>>724781729>nobody ever talks, world chat is completely deadIt was very chatty back then. Most of my internet friends that I still chat with are from those leveling days of my first WoW character back in 2005.
>>724791697"back then" blizzard didn't need to inflate player count with bots
>>724781729It was a way different experience, because it was a BIG SOCIAL game, no guides, big fucking world, a million people servers full.... like gt5 nopixel stuff, or minecraft servers it was very inmersive, warcraft was just the background
>>724791697and you didnt get banned for stuff. i remember in stormwind chat they were talking about oiled greek wrestling and the winner "takes the prize".
>>724791936streamer culture has cause immeasurable, irreversible damage to multiplayer games
>>724791936Why do these mentally ill freaks even want to be on the same layer as assmongoloid? What do any of these freaks get out of it?I would understand it if you could grief him.
People who say you level for the enjoyment of the ambience and immersion the zones provide; why not just play retail?One thing blizzard never let's you down on is the musical production value and the zone design.Draneor was gorgeous Bfa had some great ass zonesThe game has only been improving in this regard.Im a huge nostalgia fag and love old outlandish with all my childhood heart but you can't seriously tell me draneor dosent absolutely knock it out of the fucking water.
>>724781729When classic released I had a good time leveling and for a time it felt like back in vanilla, sort of. It was when I hit max level and the game had try hard guilds trying to min-max everything in raids like people do in retail that I lost interest.
>>724792558the music has gotten way worse since the music man quit blizzard in disgust some years ago.and I cant stand the girlboss writing with homo and tranny inserts everywhere its ruining the setting.stuff was fine until legion, then its nothing but misery.
>>724781729In 2004 you couldn't get people to shut up in most zone chats even on small population servers. Everyone grouped up outside of dungeons, even giant introverts like me. Quests were harder because game knowledge was much worse overall.Classic is also easier because the patch they choose to go live with patch 1.12 which was an end of vanilla patch. It has numerous class buffs and NPC nerfs to speed up progression.
>>724793106Ye maybe since dragonflight but draneor ost blew classic out of the fucking waterhttps://youtu.be/fXyH27S_y24?si=NthD0CmYE5IJnLoc
>>724793130Classic was never difficult.
>>724792558I don’t want develop carpal tunnel syndrome doing a 12 button rotation just to down mobs that never could’ve killed me in the first place. Andorhol in vanilla is a place where all I press are fireball, fire blast, and frost nova. But if I fuck up when I cast frost nova I will die.I played WoD leveling when it came out and it sucked dick. NuWoW leveling might be the very definition of movie game even if no one realizes it. You walk from vignette to vignette in service of “lore characters” and that’s it. The world isn’t real since it can’t kill you or provide a challenge.
>>724793276Never said it was. Vanilla was more difficult than Classic for a few different reasons. Game knowledge being non existent was the biggest one.Although some quests were "hard" because the drop rates were cosmically low. I spent days in that cave trying to find Helcular's Rod.You could also solo level with no problems, you just had to skip a lot of elite quests.
>>724793337Im sorry, but I've been playing wow since 07, played classic release in 2020, sod, hardcore (got to 45 quit out of bordeom),And now I play project epoch. Classic wow has never been remotely challenging aside from wpvp, which is Just a rock paper scissors matchup.I dont get how you can die to mobs unless they hyper spawn on you in a cave or something or you try to tag a high level elite.Its the most mind numbingly boring gameplay ever made aside from old school runescape, I play for the immersion and ganks.
>>724784339I enjoyed the pathfinder era expansions because they put a ton of effort into the zones. But then everyone complained and now the zones are boring to traverse because you're supposed to fly past everything at 500mph
>>724793208Classic and TBC were ambient tracks for the most part. I prefer that style for zones in general, although it's not universally better by any means. WotLK is where you saw the switch to melody heavy orchestral tracks.Also, WoD was over ten years ago. Not exactly a good indication of retail WoW I imagine.
>>724781729World of warcraft was never good. It released into a vacuum with no competition that wasn't six years old or more at that point. You just played it because everyone else was as a kid and it imprinted on an entire generation. I didn't even like it but still have a certain fondness for it that's pure nostalgia, which evaporates entirely within five minutes of logging in and experiencing the reality of it.People only still play it because to not do so is to accept that it was all a complete waste of time in the first place. Its still a complete waste of time, read a book or something.
>>724793208the main composer was still there for WoD. legion had good music too.he quit either in or after BFA.
>>724781729EU server issue, people cling to their own.
>>724793647>im sorry, but I’m an ADD zoomerWell I figured…
>>724793897>World of warcraft was never good. It released into a vacuum with no competition that wasn't six years old or more at that point.You can say this, but it has over twenty years of competition now and is still somehow going despite Blizzard's best efforts.I will never play it again, but there is clearly something good buried in there.
>>724793947You crusty boomers have been repeating the same talking point till ad nauseum.Im 30 years old. I spend most night reading fantasy novels on my kindle.I play old roguelikes like dungeon crawl soup stone, but god forbid I get bored with classic wow slow leveling process im just an adhd zoomer sperg apparently
>>724792097z**mers are typing all thatthey're the problem, don't blame the tv set for bad news
>>724794069MMO player populations are migratory. WoW's strategy for keeping them was progression resets and it worked. As much as everyone hated and complained about it, they still kept playing. Its a valid strategy for retention that's only failing now because the content that comes with the resets has plummeted in quality severely.Its principally the same as wiping people's bank accounts to get them out of the house and working again instead of living off savings. Don't be surprised when this happens, davos has already been talking about doing it for years.
>>724794653Tranny cope. Everyone is playing on vanilla private servers.
>>724794950>when you run llama2 trained on 4chan on a stolen iphone out of a favelaLmao
I wanted to get into the anniversary realms before Wrath so I don't miss it this time but it feels so monotonous footslogging around Brill for three hours then going to Silverpine which may as well be the exact same thing with dickwolves. Am I just doing it wrong or is there a secret sauce to leveling that "they" keep under wraps
>>724781729where do i find gamer friends who will get online every day and want to play together :( surely im not the only one who wants this
>>724796664its not THAT easy, at least for me.but when some sort of social game pops off on /v/ I try to get into discords that might or might not form and feel out of the people are cool.if they arent I fucked off.found many cool groups of people that way over the last fifteen years or so. before that it was steam groups.
I levelled from 51 to 58 grinding mobs for the timbermaw rep...it was relaxing
>>724798856I like combining leveling with secondary grinds like that.
>>724798856>>724800060you're actually supposed to hate it for some reason. because I said so.
>ask for help in Horde zone>plenty of replies>ask for help in Alliance zone>zero repliesI can only assume Alliance players are real life NPC's
>>724791936wow... it's like i'm really back in 2004...
