>Japanese audio>"Take this!">Dubtitles>"EAT SHIT MOTHERFUCKER!!!"
This has definitely happened not only once, but enough times to justify the existence of this thread.
>>724879964>>Japanese audio>>"Take this!"Why are they speaking English?
How do I go about moving to Japan ? I am a SWE major but I'm willing to teach english or something.
>>724880235it sounds cooler
>>724879964Depends on what the original japanese is. Some heavy hitting jap phrase can be rendered as "take this" but that loses the meaning.
>>724879964>More emotion and intensity for a conflict>erm bad????? English is the better language
>>724880413For exampleYou might see まったくそのとおりだ and the official english was>That, I can't denyBut when you look at the MC's face afterwords it's a lot more like>You're damn rightThere's an element of "Let's fucking go" here. That you lose if you read it just as "I completely agree"
>Japanese audio>"YURUSENAI!!">English text>"I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU"
>>724880521English and Russian are the best languages for novels because of the huge vocabularies and endless expressions, sayings, aphorisms etc.
>>724879964>kore demo kurae>Spread that boy pussy and get ready to get herpesWhy are they like this?
>>724880521>More emotion and intensity for a conflict>erm bad????? Yeah. Like imagine the context is a friendly competition. The japanese obviously kept the intensity down to match the low-stakes. Then imagine later own when stakes are high and the characters start going ぶっ殺す and you can't up the intensity because you already used your motherfuckers on a table tennis match.>>724881258That's very context dependent. Because 許す isn't just forgive. There's also meaning like, "approval", "allowance", and other things that hard to describe in english. That 許さない could be more of "I won't let you" you know.
Japanese dub>iku... iku... iku...English dub>FUCK YEAH DIRTY SLUT OH FUCK BITCH HAMBURGER SLUT
>>724881541you could say this about literally any language ivan
Me when I live under a rock:>>724880162
It's undeniable translators fuck things up on purpose but a lot of errors stem from having no context to what you are reading. You might have no idea what character is talking, who they are talking to or where they are. It might not be in the order it is presented in game. Translation is a huge clusterfuck that requires being able to play through the text you are translating but this is never going to happen in a professional setting.
>>724879964>japanese audio>okami no ~ to iu hanashi da nante kuso kurae>can you believe all that all that nonsense>actual translation: all that talk about ~ by the government, they can eat shit (alternatively, screw that)why do they do this
>character is established as super nice and gentle>voice: "oh no!">English subtitles: "SHIT!"
>>724881254>好い加減I hate that word so fucking much>adverb, means quite (e.g. ii kagen tsukareteiru->quite tired (had my fill, I'm tired))>na-adj: half-assed, not paying proper attention to details (e.g. half-baked job)>na-adj: irresponsible (e.g. saying shit that is out of place and you'll regret)>na-adj: (to the) proper degree (i.e. stop half-assing things, get it together and do things properly)fucking words, so many fucking uses. I'll never learn to use it
>>724883676>character established as a foul mouth cusser even in japanese>in english he drops f bombs like nobody's business
>>724883505>okami no ~ to iu hanashi da nante kuso kuraeokami-no: wolve'sto iu: ishanashi: speechda nante: kind ofkuso: shitkurae: eatTranslation: Gobbling that shitty speech up like wolves.
>>724884057just feel it sis
>>724884167>misinterprets お上 as 狼now this is a shitpost
>>724884273It is clearly written okami.
>>724884059I don't remember a single BlazBlue character saying Fuck in the Dub. The games are rated T for Teen. Plenty of yelling shit though.
>>724884057Why are you trying to memorize every instance of use separately, retard? The phrase refers to the extent something is done. The context decides if too much is done or too little. That's all you need to know to understand every sentence formed with the words.
>>724884057Every context of seen that it's something like "cut that shit out"
>>724880235>character clearly speaking English in the Japanese audio>english dub and sub rewrites it into a completely different line
>>724884756Even in the pic.
>Japanese: Konichiwa>English: HelloWeeaboos: wtf incorrect!!!!!
>>724884792和製英語, false twins
>>7248843653I don't even remember that character being in that game.
>>724884867It should be more like "morning" right? Like sure "morning" and "hello" are basically interchangable depending on the context but if someone said morning and you're job was to transcribe their words you wouldn't put down hello. Language difference require concessions but I don't think こんにちは has weird usages that'd require changing it to hello.
>>724884954I don't need the localizer to treat me like a retard that doesn't know how to figure out context clues.
>>724885232I caught one
>>724884756then you haven't been looking hard enough>いい加減なこと言いやがって本当に情けないことだ>>724884595because ii kagen can mean "right, proper degree," but it can refer to "something that's convenient to you but inconvenient to others" as it can "the right, proper degree (as in get your shit together)." furthermore, the adverbial use is not the first thing that would come to mind upon hearing the expressionsince the expression doesn't exist in English, you have to try extra hard to identify opportunities where it could be usedit's a similar deal with shit like 存在 (大事な存在? the fuck is a precious existence?).tl;dr they're separate meanings, and just knowing the meaning is not enough
>>724879964>Japanese audio>They still speak in English sometimes
>>724885471>then you haven't been looking hard enoughStill works for me even in example.
>>724885246engrish and wasei eigo are cancer you need to translate into proper englishe.g. donmai is gibberish. it doesn't mean "don't mind" it means "don't worry, it's all right, don't let it get you down"meanwhile don't mind X means "(X wo) kamawanaide" or "(X wo) ki ni shinaide"
>>724885232Morning indicates time of day which hello does not.
>>724885980I said "basically interchangeable depending on the context".
>>724885810It literally is the english don't mind (what happened) being abbreviated and your longer wording is what don't mind means.
>>724885471You sound like a retard. How the fuck do you not understand 大事な存在 innately?
>spend a lot of time studying japanese>japanese audio plays>understand maybe 0.0001%g-ganbare desu
>>724886467The mistake of thinking comprehension in japanese=comprehension in english.
>>724886565>ganbareIs "a lot of time" to you like 5 minutes or something?
>>724886682more like 5 years.
>>724886372it's wasei eigo. it's used when you fuck up (e.g. at sports). it's not used to say stuff like "don't mind a word he says, he's trying to get under your skin." hence it's not the same>>724886467find me an english speaker who'd say>you're an important existenceunironicallyeven "you're important to me" sounds awkward as fuck. do you see the problem faggot? point is you wouldn't even think of using sonzai like that as a non-native. that's what makes it hard to use
>>724884792Fucking Cygames does this shit all the time:>JP Audio: "Meri Kurisumasu!">EN Text: "Happy Holidays!"Do they seriously think Japanese sounds like gobbledygook that much that nobody would notice how blatantly wrong that was, or do they just hate Christmas that much?
>character says "Yo!" >translator changes it to "Hey!">character says "Papa or Mama">translator changes it to "Dad or Mom"For what purpose?
>>724882717NOW CLUCK LIKE A CHICKEN
>>724886858>point is you wouldn't even think of using sonzai like that as a non-nativeYou are beyond fucking retarded, holy shit. Gb2 da jay, you are way too dumb to be among normal people.
>>724887240Yo is a product of the 80s-90s and the translator was thinking ahead to not be behind the times
>Precise and accurate human to human verbal communication is sometimes very hard>Japs: What if we have an insane amount of subtlety when it's already difficult conveying things in a way that is as literal as possible?When was the last time 10 English studying japs had to squabble over a line of English regarding its intent and context?
>>724885810>donmai is gibberish. it doesn't mean "don't mind" it means "don't worry, it's all right, don't let it get you down"that's what don't mind means you grotesque tranny freak
>>724887375so you're half-literate and can't speak for shit. got it
>>724887526"don't mind" is gibberish in english you illiterate retard chimp
>>724879964I wish I wasn't so dumb and could actually learn Japanese. There's so much untranslated shit that I wanna play/watch/read.
>>724887537You know I'm going to bring this up every time you crawl out of your hole again, right?
>>724886565i just understand a few words i want to understand and that's good enough
>>724886798how much of that time has been used watching jap series with no subs? Even jap sub you are reading not training your ear
>>724887642not just a tranny but also an esl apparently, do us all a favor and stay away from anything to do with translation
>>724880369With ANY american degree you can get employed as a slave in the JET project. One in country you NEED to take advantage of your time, make connections. Work on your japanese skills. learn the mysteries of the immigration system, rental system, ect. You will be a combination translator, english speaker, desginated gaikokujin, as well as any software engineering ability.I suggest working on your ettiquite, your honorifics. Your bowing techinique, your drinking and your wardrobe now.
I’m so glad that publishers got the memo and started using the audio tracks that everyone wants. No longer do people have to pretend Steve Blum, yuri lowenthell and Jennifer hale are good enough
>>724887768>don't mind without a subject is natural englishI give up. you're too retarded
>>724887802You didn't warn him about the seiza test? If you can't sit like that for 10 hours straight they reject your citizenship request instantly.
>>724879964>Japanese audio>"Sore!">Subtitles>"Take this!">Actual meaning of the audio>"That!"Man, it's almost as if you people wouldn't understand anything without localization.
>>724887679same>>724887704not a lot admittedly. I spend a lot more time reading. in fact most of the time has been reading, but I'm not very good at that either 多く勉強は楽しくないです。頭が痛いです。feelsbadman.
>>724887872>don't mind without a subject is natural englishYeah. We omit the subject in english sometimes too.
>>724886565You are doing it backwards. People learn speech then reading.
>>724887872If the subject is obvious in whatever the context is, it's perfectly normal to just say don't mind.
>>724885631>Sonic: HEY GUY!
>>724887704listening is basically 50% knowing the words, 20% knowing what to expect between content words (fixed phrases like nan desu keredo mo, ka mo shiremasen, sasete itadakimasu, to omoimasu, to iu wake de, etc.), the rest is developing an ear
>>724879964>japanese audio>"hai">subtitles>"hi"
>>724887004Jews are called kikes because kike means circle. Their illiterate immigrants would not sign an X, they used a circle. That's how much they hate christians.
>Japanese audio>"Damn you!"]>Dub>"FUCK YOU NIGGER!!!"
>>724882717>HAMBURGER SLUTkino
>>724888313ハンバーガースラット
>>724887913Fuck. You're right. I just thought of it as normal etiquette like using the correct shoes for the bathroom, and operating toilet control panels.. Pic related. >Citizenship.Hey, now lets not get TOO crazy. If he wants that, he's realistically going to have to marry his way into the Family Register, and he should of course take on a japanese name. Sort of the way a sumo wrestler does but not as fancy. Have the relatives help.
>>724888439The fuck? That wasn't the toilet control panel I wanted.
>>724888434You gotta to be KIDDING ME.
>>724888838事実です。正解です。素晴らしいですね~
>>724884057https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6zh7g25cyY
>>724882717Too bad, you get my cum>JPDM8
>"Take this!"soulless>"EAT SHIT MOTHERFUCKER!!!"SOVL KINO
>>724884057>I'll never learn to use itYou'll learn how to use it once you play a couple of JRPG's.It's an extremely common phrase with a simple useage.
>Japanese audio>狐の鉤爪を解き放て>English translation>Let the kitsune guide you!
>>724885631https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW4AiEqKGto
>>724879964>>Japanese audio>>"Take this!">>Dubtitles>>"EAT SHIT YOU MOTHERFUCKER NAZI CHUD, TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMANS RIGHTS!!!"
>>724886565Stop studying and start listening.
>>724890078nah the japanese still revere their own language, right? they respect it enough to prevent that from happening, right?? right???
>>724880162Yes? Literally every single dubbed game is like that. Anyone who plays with the jp voice and en subtitles come across this multiple times a game, in pretty much every modern release.
>>724881541germanic languages were a mistake
>>724886029Lmao at furigana on something that small.
>>724888439It's way easier to just get a Japanese name off of a senile old rakugo performer.
so whats the best method or app or whatever to learn chinese
>>724887802Gaikokujin sounds derogatory and I don't even know what it means lol.
>>724890659中国に行ってくれ>>724890748it's actually the politically correct term for gaijin, aka foreigner.
>>724890815>中国に行ってくれi intend to one day, but id like to know enough to not be a bumbling retard first
>>724890748外国人外 = gai = outside国 = koku = country人 = jin = person
>>724879964Honestly, why do they do this?The person just says "死ぬ". We hear it all the time. Basically means the equlivant of "die"But then they'll go ROT AND BURN IN HELL YA BASTARD!!!!
>>724879964Every single Barret ability in FF7R
>>724891035Sounds cooler in japanese than in english. That's why you see>drop dead go to hell fuck you on the jmdict entry.
>>724891035Because their ego insists that they change things the way they want to.
>hai>YES SIR, RIGHT AWAY!!!!!
I translated "やっぱり" as "Yessiree" the other day, in the context of someone you encounter at a restaurant eating something saying something to the effect of "やっぱり nothing beats a good (food item)".In fact, "yessiree" might actually be the single English word with the closest parallels to that usage of やっぱり that I've ever encountered since it somehow manages to encapsulate that abstract "self-satisfied" sense of something living up to one's expectations, while also having entirely different usages that have fuck all to do with that usage.
Ninja Gaiden 4 has this thing where there's two subtitles. One is Dubtitles. The other is subtitles that more match the Japanese if you're playing with Japanese Voices. Yakuza 7 does this too. More games should do this.
>>724893996>In fact, "yessiree" might actually be the single English word with the closest parallels to that usage of やっぱり that I've ever encountered since it somehow manages to encapsulate that abstract "self-satisfied" sense of something living up to one's expectations, while also having entirely different usages that have fuck all to do with that usage.so what would the most literal translation of やっぱり be
>>724894147Yakuza stopped doing this with either 7 Gaiden or 8. Dubtitles are all you get now. I'm sorry you had to find out this way.
>wanting to learn the Japanese language just to watch anime shows/movies without English subtitles and to read mangas in Japanese!>2025https://japantoday.com/category/features/opinions/why-you-shouldnt-learn-japaneseThank me later, boys!
>>724894147>>724894636I've never seen this before. Can you share a screenshot?
>>724888231i never actually realized that's why they did those circles
>>724885810>it doesn't mean don't mind, it means don't mindtranslators, ladies and gentlemen
>>724894523>so what would the most literal translation of やっぱり beAll garbage that sounds awkward when used as an isolated translation of someone sitting there guzzling slop at a restaurant.>As expected, nothing beats (slop)!>Sure enough, nothing beats (slop)!>I knew it! Nothing beats (slop)!>Of course, nothing beats (slop)!Because none of these "literal" renderings of やっぱり actually capture its essence in usage as nearly something of a "filler" word that doesn't express "real" meaning, but instead some abstract, virtual meaning.Kind of like how people say stuff like>Boy, that burger was delicious!"Boy" means nothing here and is purely "feeling-based". You couldn't back-translate it to>少年よ!そのハンバーガーはおいしかったな!In the same way attacking やっぱり with a literal eye misses its framing completely.
>>724895215
>>724894523>so what would the most literal translation of やっぱり be"still, after all, as before"that guy wouldn't know though - his brainlet rambling was a dead giveaway so i'm not sure why you asked him in the first place. most like you're not too bright yourself
>>724894804My plan is to wait until japanese has so many loanwords that I won't have to learn anything
>>724896452Like what? :c
Japanese Audio>GREAT!The average localizer scrambling to emphasize the excitement and energy of a Japanese dude speaking english>AWW RIGHT >YEAH WOO HOO >YAHOO WAKKA WAKKA>HUBBADAHUBBADA>WICKED SICK AWESOME>IT'S HAPPENING!>YATTA!>I LOVE YOU!I'm not saying it's wrong but sometimes I feel like it's a kneejerk reaction to do.
>>724896452The trouble with your logic is that half the loanwords won't even mean what the actual loaned word is.
>Japanese audio>"TAKERU DIS GAIJINU, COMFORTU WOMEN DID NOT EXISTU">Dubtitles>"I'm gonna fight you!"
>>724896628whaaa, you mean アベック doesn't mean "with"? i'm shaking right now man stfu
>>724896043so it is the sort of filler phrase that don't make too much sense even to a native and that nobody actually says outside of books and movies?>>724896316I wanted to know if it was a nonsensical saying in its native form or simply untranslatable
>>724896452If anything the amount of loanwords made me drop Japanese.I wanted to learn a foreign language, not English with awful pronunciation.
>>724896796>I wanted to know if it was a nonsensical saying in its native form or simply untranslatablethe concept is that something doesn't change > eg. something is as you originally expected or anticipated / you're going with your original idea or plan / something is still great or the best and not something else (no change has taken place = after all, still, as exptected)
>>724885810EOPs dunking on this totally correct post for some reason.
localizers trying to justify their existence like HR and middle managers when we all know they should be digging tatters out of the dirt for a living instead
>>724879964Japanese dialogue in anime and videogames is very limited, they'll all say "Take this!" or "Stop it!" or "Die!" in the exact same way with the exact same words. English isn't nearly as limited a language and thus you have more than one option for these lines, which includes "EAT SHIT MOTHERFUCKER!!!"
>>724879964literally Persona 3ENGhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjps0CY0PyEi'm pretty damn sure if memory still serves me correctly he says "ora ora ora ora" instead
>>724894804>you shouldn't learn Japanese because it will take a long timea compelling argument surely worth listening to
>Think I got the basics of grammar>Watch anime expecting to look up words>End up looking grammatical structures insteadクソヤロウウウ!!!
>Subtitles are dubbed in English in the japanese release in "literal japanese">The english release contains localized English insteadclock tower is an interesting game
>Japanese: Anata... daisuki da yo...>Japanese: Sayuki-chan...>English: I'M YOUR PROM DATE YOU UGLY SACK OF SHIT>English: FUCK YOU
>Japanese audio: thank you>Dubtitles: I love you
>>724896796People know what it means and how it feels to use it. It's when you try to wrangle its ideas into English that you end up with awkward, trash ass sounding translations that make no sense for a given context.I'll give you another extremely simple example of やはり・やっぱり and variants thereof to illustrate how it is used.>do you want to do (thing?)>CHOICE 1: はい>CHOICE 2: やっぱやめるWhat purpose does やっぱ serve in Choice 2? Most people will simply say "YES/CANCEL" for these options (they do this in Pokemon, for example), but it's important to know that やっぱ here carries a feeling of "after thinking it (the current decision) over..." which is not its -literal, dictionary definition- but this is the intended vibe and closer to -what it means there-.tl;dr - 矢張り, although an extremely simple word and concept that is easy to understand within Japanese itself, is often far less simple to bring into other languages elegantly unless you really like stilted sounding shit.
>>724897537i don't think you know what dubbing means
yappa guy's exuding hitherto unknown levels of ngmi energy frfr lil bro is cooked
>>724897727HA HA HA HA HA HA *INHALES* HA HA HA HA
>>724897743>i don't think you know what dubbing meansComparehttps://youtu.be/j0i7NRa1CVk?t=3079tohttps://youtu.be/9KTDrpfLE08?t=5091they dubbed the game literally to match the japanese subtitles exactly in the first linkthen they re-dubbed the game to appear more natural to English in the later linkwhat the fuck is your problem? literally compare the 2 examples
>>724888838As you can see, anon - it's no yoke.
>>724880369>How do I go about moving to Japan ?Japan recently elected a new Prime Minister and her main platform is "fuck immigrants we don't want them in our country" so it's possible immigrating to Japan could become more difficult in the near future.It's already not that easy because in order to live in Japan you need to have an actual reason such as work or education. While some countries in Asia will gladly accept you if you got the money (like for example the Philippines) you can't just retire to Japan to live out your weeaboo dreams unless you are actually being productive in some way.
>>724898241https://youtu.be/j0i7NRa1CVk?t=3020fixed timing for the first link
>>724893996>Yessireedubtitle-tier shit I hate when fansubbers use american-isms
kill all localizers
>>724898241read what you originally posted. also go back to /djt/ nora, you're unwell. but before you go, is this you >>724897734 ?
>>724898472>I hate when people use natural-sounding language similar to that of the land from which I hail because... uh, because I just DO, OK!? JEEZ!
>Used to hate Kanji>Very quickly realize that reading is near impossible without itListening is fine because of the way japanese is spoken is a lot better than seeing walls of kana.
>>724898498my post is perfectly fine. the first link is literal japanese...the dub LITERALLY SAYS "Are you too being dragged into the abyss?", and the sub changes it for "Are you, too, being attracted by the vast darkness?"My japanese is progressing perfectly fine. The JLPT is next month.Also that post is not me.
im reading itoko no ko rawsit's cute.
>>724879964as long as you aren't changing the meaning of a line, localizing is fine. nobody says "take this!!" in english, so a line that gets across what they're trying to say without changing the tone or intensity is good
>>724898747skill issue
>>724898865Probably, I'm just now so used to seeing kanji that I can guess most of a sentence reading just them instead of the kana (Outside of particles and words that don't have a character).
>>724898651Japs would never say "Yessiree", it's immersion breaking.if you don't know how to translate it naturally without expressions, you shouldn't be translating things for other people.
>watch a lot of anime>read a lot of manga>play a lot of japanese video games>complain about localizers and bad jp->en translations>refuse to start learning japanese because "i wont be able to play my games until like 3 years in"
>>724898747Kanji isn't as difficult as most people make it out to be. They get intimidated by kanji because the ways they're taught to learn them sucks. Being given kanji out of context and asked to arbitrarily memorize their kunyomi and onyomi readings isn't intuitive. No Japanese person does that. It makes more sense to learn them in context with the vocabulary you study.
>japanese: "he's protecting us.">english: "they are protecting us."Why
i can't be the only one pissed off at pic related
I baseded when I heard the big boy words in my vidya
>>724897379I see!>>724898830No, YOU are cute! :3
>>724879964Californian localizers know best.
>>724899356>trannies.Nope, commiefornian bitches need to get the fuck out of anime industry. Hippity hoppity commies off my property, said the Japs when they found out trannies had been ruining their content for years now. Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Bick dicks up your ass are bad for your health.
>>724894804My rebuttal: True, but I like it :)
>>724899356Notice how people love to complain about the "problems" in FFVIII's script, but not a single person has done a retranslation project in all the years it's been around, while games like FFVI and FFVII get showered with all the attention. Really makes you think doesn't it!
>>724897642QUE TE JODAN
>>724899201ummm that is a close to perfect translation?
>>724899862>Japan, a country that doesn't believe in God>[shoehorn God's name in a localization (i'm not going to dignify this by even calling it a translation)]far from it mate
>>724899086This. You learn the words first. Then you learn the corresponding kanji grouping for that word. You are going nowhere with learning how to read individual kanji with kun'yomi and on'yomi. It's just going to fuck you up when you try to learn kanji groupings as ateji, gikun and jukujikun.
>>724880235食らえ
>>724899945you a retard of the elite class lmaothank god can be said as an atheist
>>724880235Engurishu > nippon
>>724900093>thank god can be said as an atheistum...who wants to tell him?
>>724900254Tell me because i'm in the mood of laughing at idiots
>>724879964japanese dub>check in the boxenglish dub>have you ever tried to fuck a box?
>>724899945>>724900254I'm waiting...
>>724900339You think you don't but you do
>>724900339>Tell me because i'm in the mood of laughing at idiotsyou are calling me the idiot? I bet you celebrate Christmas (which celebrates the birth of Jesus Christ), read American dollars (IN GOD WE TRUST), channel Jesus Christ's name when something bad happens, keep using God's name to carry you through conversations...the list goes on.You have never witnessed what would happen if our COMMON SENSE which Generated those valuable meanings was CHANGED.I seek to rewrite America's COMMON SENSE to erase Jesus and God. That's the only way we can defeat Zog and put a halt to westernization once and for all.And that means stop saying his fucking name you're just empowering the christians by saying it.
>>724900254he'll just cope about how times change and phrases don't have to literally mean what you're saying and it's about what they convey
>>724881254>That, I can't denyAny person who didn't pick that isn't a real Warrior of Light. You've ignored the very essence of your character and what they like to do.
>>724900617>>724900504Nahhh i know you guys googled and realized its a common idiom regardless of religious affiliationI'll take this low effort double kill and pray you will do better next time
>A phrase cant be perfectly translated into another language>AAAA IM GOING INSANE
>>724900442well i'll be fucking my box now good thing that box was erect
>>724900442I miss when hentai dubs were funny.
>>724884792>>724887004Video game subtitles are for the English VO. When translating, the Japanese script uses English loanwords that are typically being used to mean something else.
>>724887435Why are people so afraid something being "dated" anyway?
Games are for playing, not consulting.
>>724900996Japanese has a suffering passive form.English doesn't.This means there are some japanese sentences that are LITERALLY impossible to translate to English without completely neutering the sentence.Here's an example:雨に降られたRain fell. Seem simple? THINK AGAIN, the sentence is ACTUALLY "I got rained on".
>>724900845>regardless of religious affiliationNo, it's dissonance on their part.
>>724901036Saying merry christmas means something else?
>>724901220As for that, that's just an instance of localization, as in, "This show is being treated to be aired on English language TV".
>>724898747>>724899086Isn't it basically like learning the actual prefixes and suffixes of words and how they can apply to other ones?
>>724901135My end goal is learning enough to parse the nonsense (kino) wordplay in this series.
>>724899086Learning words from sentences is fine as a beginner but you should really study kanji components as an intermediate learner.
ok but what is furikuri supposed to mean?
>>724901515no, good luck!
>>724901751The approaches aren't mutually exclusive though, are they? Learning components does not mean memorizing and quizzing yourself on every kunyomi and onyomi reading in the dictionary
>>724901164this is a poor example as that sentence translates into a passive sentence in english as well and it makes your point seem sorta moot. this would be a better example:先月、急に父に死なれました。my father died unexpectedly last monththe japanese sentence is passive and it cannot possibly be converted into an english one with the same meaning
>>724902548>dubs are made for drunk college students watching adult swim>surprised they're written to appeal to that audience
If you wanna visit Japan some day you'll be better off learning Kurdish, Turkish, Vietnamese or Tagalog
>>724902919>drunk college students would know who Arthur Fonzarelli and gamergate are
>>724902548ghost stories and its consequences
>video game localizers are widely known to be THE biggest tranny menace around>nu-/v/ still defends them
>>724903265and what's your proposal? oh, wait, let me guess, you think AI should replace them.
>>724903115They don't, that's why it's funny. Go watch some Aqua Teen and ask how many of the actual references its intended audience are supposed to get.
>>724903318Cope and seethe some more
>>724903318Nobody here has ever coherently explained why AI shouldn't be used to translate all games.
>>724903578Because you should learn the language yourself while it's still in use by some of Japan's population
>>724901164rain fell on him tooyou're not bound to use the passive in english. awkwardly bending over the language will beget awkward overcompensated translations>>724902783oh come on. don't be a bitch like that. you're not losing muchwriting "his dad died on him" would be going too far methinksyou're right there because you can't use passive voice with intransitive verbs in english, but still you're not losing too much in that caseeven shit like 妻に逃げられました can be translated into "his wife ran away on him"
>>7248996378ths mechanic sucked balls hence nobody want to touch it.
>>724903787"His wife left for milk."
>>724903318Yes. I'll take actual retarded machine translation over tranny fanfiction. What now, faggot? Are you going to claim that localizers are preferable?
>>724881541Let me guess, you're a hohol
>>724903578japanese is context heavy. MTL is used in many h-games and its still not good>inserts he pronoun when the context is a she>has trouble translating broken up speech like stuttering, mumbling, or sex sfx.if you have time on your hands watch this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4KQ8wBt1Qg
>>724903787pointless post. 100% superfluous kys
>200 posts>no one has posted this fucking gem of dogshit yetthe gameplay is good, but its a really fucking bad translation, actual trannylator horse shit that should be illegal.
>>724904210>get mad that nobody has started spamming reposts everyone has already seen yet
I love this type of threads but its too late for meGoing to bed, please be still here by the time i wake up
what are they talking about in this vid?https://youtu.be/NJt1E3fr_oY?list=LL
>>724904132Why would he praise Russian then
>>724890659You learn chinese the exact same way you learn any other language.
>>724896796>I wanted to know if it was a nonsensical saying in its native form or simply untranslatableyappari means "after all" "in the end" "as one would expect" or something like that. e.g.I wanted some ramen but yahari(in the end) hamburgers at the best.(eats cake) yahari(as expected) nothing beats big sis' cakesyahari(figures) we gotta buy the ice cream (after all)>>724903976now you're cherry-picking shit on purpose. you usually bound to lose some stuff in translation. sometimes the details are important, sometimes they aren't. the point is you gotta ask yourself how important that little tidbit is and whether the nuance is necessary to understand what's going on and whether you'd be doing a disservice to the original by dropping it (e.g. lost conect, foreshadowing, introduced or diminished ambuiguity, etc.)
>>724893996Only redditers and millennials say crap like "Yessiree"
>>724881541Bro Albanian?
How do I cope I'll never be able to learn another language at my almost 40's, specially one hard as fuck like japanese... no matter how hard I try my learning process of my brain is not the same...
>>724903578Not much to be gained from it.The challenges of translating a video game are difficult to appreciate for someone who hasn't ever done it before. You can have a "perfect" translator do a "correct" version of a game script if you throw the raw text dump at them, and still have things come out "wrong" because they can't see what's happening on the screen.Without an actual separate note pool by the writers/scene designers (you don't often get this btw, and literally never in retro game ROMhacking shit), by the time you've gathered up enough contextual data for an AI to avoid these problems to do a better job than a human translator, you've already played through the game enough to understand the problems/contextual matters and could have produced a solid, foundational translation to build a localization upon.Laypeople think it's just as simple as feeding text into the machine and getting out results, but you still need to be able to provide the machine the background info and other stuff that, again, by the time you have it, you never needed the machine in the first place.
>>724904357Yappari is sometimes used basically as "thought so/should've guessed/its like that." depending on context. Anyway, I was memeing with the black cultural context you lot would be more familiar with on the translation shitpost due personal connection to that sort of language. kek.
>>724896452You still have to learn japanese grammar. Which is the hardest part about japanese.
>>724904254>mfw 4:10
>>724896628Are you saying a lot of japanese people don't really live in a """mansion""" ? :^)
>>724881258Impractical Jokers intro.
>>724897310>i don't know japaneseYes we can tell.
>>724898747Kanji are cheat codes that makes japanese easy.The real final boss of japanese isn't kanji, it's fucking katakana.
>>724904427You should still try. You're in your late 30's acting like you're close to 90. You can still learn new things.
>>724904497It has two rulesSentences always ends with a ender (verb, adjc, or noun + da/desu)Anything that modifies anything must come before the thing it modifies
>>7248990601) that's not true2) even if it was, start today, coz in 3 years time you'll be pissed off at yourself for not starting today.
>>724900030Eat this?
>>724904738lil bro doesn't even know about particles
>>724904738it also has a rule of: context.Which says you can say shit in whatever order you fucking want and drop things that aren't needed if discussed prior = they are assumed from that point on to be the topic. Japanese is autism as a language.
>>724899121It's a post-modern academic thing where they don't like to reference a person's gender.
>>724899945>thank heavens you're safehappy now retard?>>724904427you can. just do it. a huge part of it is your outlook. it's the pygmalion effect. if you think you can't, you'll just give up. if you think it's doable and keep at it, you may just end up mastering it (I won't lie, nothing is certain in life).moonrunes have tons of tricks to them. they fall into one (or more) of 6 categories. you can check etymologies, learn the parts they're made from, see visual aids, etc. kanken autists have tons of tricks to them. stroke orders can be guessed like 98% of the time from the basic rules + common patterns. the remaining 2% is outlier patternscompounds fall into one of 5 categories (similar meanings (落下(fall/decrease)), opposites (左右(left and right), 生死(life and death)), former modifies the latter (和服 (japanese clothes)), latter is object or complement of the former (登山(climb mountain), 作文(make text)), former negates the latter (無事, 不正, 非常, 未来, 否定)sadly, most of these tricks aren't found in materials geared at westerners
Since this is the dedicated shit nobody cares about thread, I'm doing my monthly imports for November and need to decide what my calendar for 2026 will be.
EAT THIS!NEEEEVERRRRRRRRR!!!https://youtu.be/N8ehQX5SZEw?si=MkIOWNX4EACb3wPJ
>>724899862apart from the typo, yes.>>724899945In English (the language that the game was translated to), everyone says "thank god" even if they're not religious.So that is a perfect translation.
>>724904830The ones that go after da only add context Lika Na, Wa, Zo, Se, Sa etc>>724904849Yeah i know that, as long as it ends as i said, you can change the word order as you wish, but you go to remember that modifers have to go before the thing they modife, this doesnt really matter when its the verb getting modified
>>724904210??? What's wrong with thisWriting all that ye olde way of speech looks hard. The watered down translation in the middle isn't nearly as interesting as the final
>>724904943I'd go with Sakura
>>724899945>Doesn't believe in God.They could've used either way for this... It depends on the context of the game world if there's gods and if the characters believe in a religion or not if its accurate or not.
>>724904943idolpre, mostly because i find it funny that for 10 out of the 12 months in 2026, idolpre won't even be airing
>>724884792Saar localization saar pls understand
two nukes weren't enough
>>724899862>You are safe! That's good.Literally what he said, disregard: >>724905251
>japanese sub"We have to take down that dark castle before the emperor uses his crystal to destroy us">english dub"HOW MANY LICKS DOES IT TAKE TO GET TO THE TOOTSIE ROLL CENTER OF A TOOTSIE POP?"
>>724904964>NEVERRRR!>IMSOGAAAAAAAY!!https://youtu.be/Zd0kuiJm06Q
>>724905291To be fair, my 2025 Calendar was for an annual series that stopped airing over 20 years ago.
>>724904725Honestly I feel this, Hiragana are easy and I can easily recognize the kanji I know and fairly quickly recognize, pick apart the composition of, and learn new kanji, but for some reason I can never remember the right readings for フヒナメテラ and レand I'm not even sure I'd recognize ヌ as a katakana since it's not a sound that really ever appears in loan words
>>724905357You don't get it, Japanese is just so dry and emotionless we HAVE to add some comic relief, and by some I mean every other sentence
>>724904210the text in the middle is mostly fine but while 婆さん is accompanied by ただの(ordinary, common, etc.), implying that they're nothing special (hence the unmagicked on the right)also batch gives off the impression that he's got a shipment of them. I think they could use something like crowd, multitude, gathering, roomful, or something that doesn't carry such a scornful, derisive tone
>>724879964Dubtitles are cooler in this case.
>>724905489You don't, fuck it, I love dry and humorless shit that's absurdist.
>>724905357>english sub"We have to take down that dark castle before the emperor uses his crystal to destroy us">japanese dub"HOW MANY REROS DOES IT TAKE TO GET TO THE RAW FISH CENTER OF AN ONIGIRI?"
>>724905657"how many reroreros does it take to get to the cold prepared fish center of a rice donut?"
>>724905251神様に太くて長いのを授かったから非常に感謝です
>>724905357>japaneseThis is it friends, we're at the last door before the demon king.>english dub>THE SNACK THAT SMILES BACK GOLDFISH
>>724904289ok how
>>724905825That's the long way of saying the second one, probably at a temple or shrine or something.
>>724904943based 探偵 appreciator
>>724904943Wouldn't all the clamp girls be grandmothers by now.
>>724879964Dub is cooler
>>724898484>XC2.jpgBased.
>>724904943shota conan calendar...
>>724899051"Hai!" as Yes Sir! (in context to military/martial arts commands) is okay culturally as it fills that role. forgot what was that one where it was "right away sir" typically (the sir is implied due to context and tone not in speech.)
>>724887240Japs unironically say Papa and Mama in English, but from what I can tell, it's a childish thing as their babies are equally learning to speak.
>>724903003Sanae-chan is deporting them as we speak
>>724905357They're exactly the same, can't you see?
>>724908137>it's a childish thing as their babies are equally learning to speak.>"from what I can tell"Ah, yes, a sound opinion-that-sounds-right-so-just-trust-me-bro from someone who doesn't engage with Japanese anything, ever.Meanwhile, it's extremely easy to find examples of older characters using パパ and ママ in all sorts of Japanese media.
>>724908445I'm on too schizo a modern chan to possibly assume what you mean. Elaborate on your post with visual examples that the rest of us can interpret.
>>724887240So they can say they have work to do, translating papa to dad takes effort you know
>>Japanese audio>shouting move name>Dubtitles>"ARGHH!"fuck you granblue fantasy versus rising
>>724879964WrongAnime always over uses words likeBASTARD YOU BASTARDDAMN IT DAMN IT THIS GUYHEY GUY
I wish localizer stopped at that instead of.>Usual fanbait voluptuous shapeshifter character is wearing full clothing this time.>Japanese Audio Translation>"what's with that outfit?" >"Everyone was always saying something to me, so I tried toning down the exposure. How is it?"">"Maybe you should try changing your body next?">English Localization>"What are you wearing that for?">"oh those pesky patriarchal societal demands were getting on my nerves, so I changed">"give it a bit and they'll be BEGGING you to change back!"
*walks in butt ass naked*
>Japanese audio>BOKU WA SEKKUSU DAISUKI ITSUMO SEKKUSU MAINICHI YARITAI SEKKUSU>English subtitles>"Why hello, young lady, it's important that you save yourself for marriage"
>>724908445Its more of an endearment form to use those short hands rather than use the keigo terminology for "mother/father" terms. Hence why in u/ma Tokai Teio's parents cried because she stopped calling them in familiar terms.
>>724909436> I want to have sex with you every day, non-stop!Should've been the translation.
>>724909436Do the japanese have a word for sex ?
>>724909745yes, but they don't know what hugging is.
>>724909745性交
>>724909865they have a word for rape which is three women bunched together which also means loud.
>>724909937bitches do be loud tho.
>>724910016Exactly why rape is inherently funny in Japanese as a concept.
>>724908301I hope you're right. Last thing Japan needs right now is their own Meloni.
>>724879964>Japanese audio>"MERRY KURISMASU!">Subtitles>"Happy Holidays!"
>>724902548you can cry about it, but they both convey her as a stuck-up bitch freaking out cause he's part of the school's prison system and perving on her
>>724903578Japan doesn't even use the same sentence structure for a start, any translation would be localization regardless of who does it.
>>724890659Shit, I don't have that do-not-learn-chinese pic anymore.
>>724909292>spregs out about bad localization>only example is improv done by VA
>Japan doesn't even use the same sentence structure
stupidity is being enriched to a weapon-grade level in this thread i better inform the authorities
>>724897734Yes / Never mindYes / On second thought, nowow that was hard
>>724899945>a country that doesn't believe in God>Japanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOFVqMdxBmU
>>724905989https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiTsduRreug
>>724910629The latter parts are often spoken first, it is why raw machine "translations" are often nonsensical, as a machine without context won't take this into account. Don't be a fucking retard now.
>>724885329Oh no, you're not that interesting. I used your post as a way to hear myself talk.
>>724911238god i hope you trolling right now
>>724879964WE HAVE THIS FUCKING THREAD EVERYMONTH SINCE THIS SHITTY BOARD WAS FIRST CREATED
>>724911720Maybe someday localizations won't be dogshit, but it's looking grim. Look forward to the next decade of threads!
>>724911720忘れないで、お前はここから永遠に
>>724911816NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>724911940Ive been here since I was a 5th grader and I am now turning 21 this January. Is it really over?
>>724910310>Congratulate me on my transition!Hope you don't mind me doing that since it conveys the same message as your original post.
>Japanese: TEME!!>English:
>>724912040you're cooked brah.
>>724911720We'll stop when translations stop being shit.So, never.
>Japanese audio>"Nigger!">Subtitles>"Run away!"
>Original audio the character says hi.>Translated as "yes"
>Japanese audio"We need to get to the castle.">English audio"Blo'dy 'ell mate, better get a move on to the fockin' castle, else the blo'dy Queen'll string us up by the balls, I tell you wot"
>>724912219kony chee wa, dude!
>>724912424dragon quest 11's dub almost made the game tolerable but they all spoke so slowly as if the player was an actual toddler.
for those who have actually studied japanese for a while, what advice would you give to absolute newbs?
>>724912424>xenoblade chronicles 3 localizationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNUUAKxw49U
>>724912774鮫に気をつけてahem but yeah do it every day even if you're just reading like a 5 minute babby mode news article. every day, it needs to be part of your life, otherwise you'll drop it. if you drop it you won't learn.
>>724879964>be me>addicted to doujin hentai for 15+ years>probably read about 4000 invidual doujin>starts learning japanese just to read the few that are yet to be translated>found out my biggest turn on in doujin is dirty talk>japanese dirty talk is pure fucking garbage and reading it kills my boner instantly>the only word for cock authors use is chinpo and it context of the language it equates more to weenie than cock>realize even with fluent japanese I'd still appreciate my doujin better in englishI'm not even a native english speaker and I have the same issue with my native language where the only word for cumming is cringe as fuck to read because it's overly formal for the action performed.My life is eternal pain.
>>724913259Japan has a criminal lack of synonyms, and english has a ridiculous amount of them.
>actually here is the original script>most soulless basic writing that ever existedI hate how insane and retarded localizers get but the constant plain scripts people argue for is just as baffling.
>>724912774Read for at least 2 hours every day for a few months.
>>724912774Don't waste time worrying about what's the "best" way to study. Some people swear by Anki decks, some swear by textbooks, some swear by apps like Renshuu. There are pros and cons to each, but the best way to study is whatever gets you personally to stick with learning the language.Also, don't worry about the pace of your learning. Inevitably you'll come across videos on Youtube that are like "I BECAME FLUENT IN JAPANESE IN 2 MONTHS" that exist to sell a lie. Learning a new language is a unique and long journey for everyone. There really is no secret to supercharge your learning of a new language. You have to do the work
>>724912774Move your ass to Japan and ironically and against all odds (specially in Japan), socialize. That's the fastest way. In less than 1 year you'll be speaking fluent japanese.
>>724913554Let the original text live and die on its own merits. If the source material is retarded, let it be retarded. If the localizer wants to write their own script, they can write it for their own game.
>>724913554Yeah, more of this please!
>>724913554>WYPIPO DON SEASON THEY FOOD
>Jap audio>Jeremy>Eng audio>Yay-gey-mee
>>724899637>Why oh why did none of these so-called complainers decided to do this massive work for FREE?I don't know man it really boggles the jogglesIf you went around fixing every shitty loc of a jap games you'd be working for free forever because all of them are fucked in one way or another
>>724904823OP is actually talking about the speech lines for a cooking game.
>>724913259all explicit dirty talk is trash, even in english
i hate how localizations make everybody talk like they spend all day on twitter
>>724913915Very flavorful lolcowlization
>>724913259You must be reading some awful manga then. My eromanga experience got way better once I switched to Japanese.
>>724912774you have to be comfortable with sucking at it for a really long time (and by long, i mean like ~2 years of a few hours of time towards it everyday)spend more time consuming native japanese content and trust your unconscious braini'm personally a big believer that the best way to learn is through comprehensible input, all textbook study materials are to be used to make incomprehensible material comprehensible t. just passed N2, studying for around ~3 years, still get mogged by native japanese fifth graders and feel like a complete scrub
>>724914189yeah sometimes it feels like they mispronounce basic shit on purpose, like they're embarrassed to be there.When I was a kid my mom's boyfriend would pronounce it "draygun bayll zee"
>>724913259Aside from the fact you're talking out of your ass, because translated doujins will have garbage zoomer shit like "gooning" in them, do you unironically think "ティーダのチ〇ポ気持ちよすぎだろ!" is "Tidus's weenie.." Absolutely moronic.
>>724900831trvthnvke!!!!!
>>724914736>feel like a complete scrubThat's because you are one.
>>724900831>You enjoy a hearty battle and helping people>that means you're basically the same as a cold blooded killer with dopamine receptors so shot he's torpedoing his own country and people just for a chance to feel somethingShut the fuck up retarded zenoswanker, this postmodernism take SUCKS
>Weeabooneese dude is being rude>English starts talkin' like a pirate arr
>It cannot be helped.>It is what it is.
>>724914948yeah no shit i'm just trying to reinforce the fact that it's pretty discouraging because the amount of time and effort needed is a lot more than people realizethere's probably a lot of learners like me who have a bit of a sunk cost fallacy so it would be a massive waste to stop now
>>724891019Ah yes, the soto kuni hito.
>japanese idioms and culture will be too confusing for the reader unless we localize them>the localization:
>>724915263>because the amount of time and effort needed is a lot more than people realizeNot that you would know anything about it since you never made any real effort to learn Japanese. If I ever need any tips on wasting time, I'll ask you, though.
>笑って>character is smiling but not laughing or giggling>gets translated as "laughing" anyway
>>724915263>it's pretty discouraging because the amount of time and effort needed is a lot more than people realizeWelcome to learning any Asian language as a native English speaker. Suck it up.
>>724915067tbf in context Zeno's explicitly asks you to put the hero thing aside. The idea is that on your home planet with everyone else you're a hero. But here, alone with Zenos, after the physical embodiment of entropy has been defeated, no exestential threats, no one to judge you. No consequences. You can't seriously tell me you lack the base urge to have a climatic 1v1 all-out battle to the death. I mean on a meta level that's why you're playing FFXIV and not cooking mama no? To indulge in violence.
>>724915637please give me some tips on learning the language, and write it in japanese.よろしくお願いします
No one ever mentions it because they are always crying about kanji but the real last boss of Japanese is 擬態語 and 擬情語
>argue that Japanese has too much subtlety, nuance and cultural context to be accurately translated to English>while also arguing that Japanese is too plain and boring and needs to be "punched up" in EnglishWhy are they always so disgustingly dishonest, bros?
>>724915961I'm fine with spurrt spurrt and doki doki
>>724914824>Aside from the fact you're talking out of your ass, because translated doujins will have garbage zoomer shit like "gooning" in themLmao so because you read garbage doujin you think I do the same, I have never read the word "goon" once in a doujin once in 15 years, you don't know shit.チンポ will never be an equivalent to cock and is referred to as "childish language" in dictionnaries and before you tell me "英和 草" I've check jp dictionnary and it's the same so suck my dick.It's well known japanese lacks many insults, slurs and overall foul language and it makes their porn boring as fuck.Basically you have no fucking taste and there is a reason actresses in jav only moan like dying otters for hours instead of talking because the moment their open their mouth it becomes unbearable to watch if you're above 15yo.
>>724915961Isn't that just memorization at that point? Onomatopoeia isn't anything special.
>>724915675I did that one time. I'm glad my editor caught it.
>>724916049>like dying ottersHuh, that's actually a really apt fucking description of that noise.
>>724916049>childish languageI'm so glad translators use "pp" in its place! (this has never happened)
>>724915916Have you memorized all the kanji yet? If not, get to work.
>>724916049>チンポ will never be an equivalent to cockIt's not supposed to be retartd. It's a jap original not a play on some english garbage.>childish languageIt's gets censored dumbass. You don't censor weenie. They're not the same which you would know if you actually had the level of "tastes" you claim to.>actresses in jav3dshitter no wonder you're braindead.
チンポ is my japanese name
>>724916049>is referred to as "childish language"The DOWNTOWN crew sure likes to say ちんこ despite it getting censored 95% of the time, so if it's enough for Matsumoto.....
>>724914824>>724916049Also because I'm in good faith I'll link the only doujin from the 4000+ I've read that I know has some zoomer linguo and which isn't a deliberate troll from some scanlation group.https://exhentai.org/g/2562213/aa7f0e6b3a/It is still better in english than japanese and there is another more 1 to 1 english translation anyway.
I like how they don't say "fuck fuck fuck" nonstop like r*dditors
>>724916049チンポ is as vulgar as cock you retard. Words like おちんちん or ちんこ are more childish.
>>724912774just start consuming real japanese content as quickly as possible. there's a massive gulf between learning 'about' japanese and actually interacting with the language
>>724916075You can fill an entire dictionary with them, and then there's the dialectal variants which got people looking at me funny when I used a few I learned in my time in Fukuoka
>all these niggas throwing foreign characters at each otheryes, yes, I phoenixwright y'all
>>724916049>bilingual dictionaryngmi
>>724916712>It's gets censored dumbass>unironically advocating for censoring to prove his retarded pointThank you for reminding me why many doujin suck ass in their original language.>shitting on JAVYou're a fucking tourist lmaooooo why you stay on my dick nigga? The fuck you doing in this thread?
>>724912774KLC graded readers after you learn basic grammar and kana
>>724916860>m*ass*ive discountcringe
日本人がいません
>>724917167Japanese people exist
>>724917059I guess words like shit and fuck and nigger are kiddy words then
>>724916567This is just proof that white cucks are not as "hard working" as they thibk. I'm a "pajeet" on a nihongo professional vosal from this year and just reading this thread and already knowning the Japanese is really really funny. This is why you are being conquered.
>>724917427i think i just got off the phone with you, trying to get an apple gift card or something
>>724879964>character says "Hi!">subtitles: "Yes!"retard language
>>724917027>>724916889Keep choking on my チンポTL Note: Chinpo means penisThis word is not even the biggest offender, anyone who has read a-10 knows how much his shit doesn't work as good in jp than english.
>>724916005Because good people are honest. None of the well known localizers that are regularly called out are good people. Hence dishonest.
>>724916959What, like びりびり?
>>724917472Woow amazing white joke. Going to talk about throwing cow poop festivals next like your cuck Tyler?
What could be the cause of the localization problem?
>>724917758Danger-hair and trains aside, all of the expressions/idioms that are culture-specific that the translator needs to either find a close enough equivalent that fits the tone, or just give up on and do it literal. Which isn't a problem exclusive to Japanese at any rate. Good luck translating a lot of Russia's figure of speech to English.
>>724917686Why would you basically announce that the cow poop festival thing actually does bother you lol
>>724917669Immerse more you fuckwit. They come to you "for free" but you need to get out there and find them.
>>724917758Women and their 'male' allies
>>724917987>Immerse more you fuckwit.I just play vidya, not read or watch shit aimed at kids.
>>724879964>Japanese audio>"onii-chan">English text>"step-bro"
>>724879964This isn't limited to official translations. Fan translations are significantly more guilty of this. I still laugh at certain fansubs of certain manga for children where the trannylator will insert swears every other word to try to make it seem more mature than it really is because they're insecure about liking a series made for children.
>>724918115>not read or watch shitThen enjoy remaining an imbecile for the remainder of your life.
>>724887315What did yugi mean by this?
>>724917972Indian gigachads getting 5star hotel free in japan for work while you're here stroking cock for porn game.
>>724918156that's why you mentally blacklist those fan translators
>>724918156>I still laugh at certain fansubs of certain manga for children where the trannylator will insert swears every other word to try to make it seem more mature than it really is because they're insecure about liking a series made for children.Basically every DeJap SNES romhack translation.
>>724916860https://exhentai.org/g/3605260/83c87131b5/Translation hasn't even been up for a month. Original doujin was uploaded 3 months agohttp://exhentai55ld2wyap5juskbm67czulomrouspdacjamjeloj7ugjbsad.onion/>another more 1 to 1 english translation Oh come on. If you're saying this you're japanese clearly isn't good enough to assess whether the writing is good or not. And yes I mean porn writing, you can't even evaluate porn writing.>>724917059Did you not know ちんぽ gets censored? You got blindsided so hard you made that garbage attempt to sidestep it? You really are a moron.
>>724918156>watch completely harmless, safe magical girl sentai show>subtitlers drop swears in just because they feel like it
>>724879964Drakengard 3
all translation is parody
>>724918332I'm pretty sure that was just genuine incompetence. Like they saw 貴様 and were just trying to make the characters sound rude. Innocent in their ignorance.
Anyone ever use (and have luck with) HelloTalk? What's the strategy, just go into DMs w a bunch of randos and just try to make a penpal until it works out and ask them to point out unnaturalities?
>>724918908>penpalDo zoomies even know what that word means these days?
>>724901164>Japanese has a suffering passive form.I suffer in japan.
>>724918403>Translation hasn't even been up for a month. Original doujin was uploaded 3 months agoLmao translation came out a week ago I knew you were a larping faggot, you just jumped onto 1 fucking doujin and based your entire opinion of years of scanlation of one group, so fucking entitled to his shit take I swear.>Oh come on. If you're saying this you're japanese clearly isn't good enough to assess whether the writing is good or not. And yes I mean porn writing, you can't even evaluate porn writing.nice ad hominem faggot surely you got one more in the bag to make your point more valuable. Any n5 could read a doujin but the thing is you don't read any.>Did you not know ちんぽ gets censored?Lmao you can't even read rethorical statement, you got worse problem than me brother, still defending self censorship btw, next you're going ot tell me white dick is better than black bars.You're some /djt/ larper trying to be a japanese purist, get the fuck out of here you don't know shit you resort to saying I don't understand the deep language ramification of ちんぽ lmao.
>>724918965Is it NOT just someone you talk to that's a great deal away that you get to know over time? Called penpal cause it was normally done through mail, but that's obsolete nowadays so the meaning got broader.
>>724884057it makes me chuffed
>>724919084>Lmao translation came out a week agoOf course It'd be recent. I'm guessing you have no arguments.>so fucking entitled>Anon didn't like the translation so anon is entitled. You're getting offended on behalf of a translator. >Any n5 could read a doujinI would never claim you were N5.>Lmao you can't even read rethorical statementYou got so assblasted you claimed I advocate for censorship. Because I brought up the fact that a word gets censored. You're just braindead.
>>724879964>Dub>KISS YOUR BUTT GOODBYEGOD WIZARDRY IS KINO BROS
weeb thread
>>724919084>still defending self censorship btw>government fines you if you don't censor something>kick and scream that the people in that country don't pay thousands of dollars or go to jail over itfinal reply
>>724920138weeb boardweeb websitekill yourself baka gaijin
>>724887642If you don't mind, I'm going to go ahead and call you a retard.
>Nods>"Mm"I hate it in my games, I hate it in my animes, I hate it in my heart.
Bros, how do I start learning Japanese? I know 0 nip but it seems interesting to learn the language. Any advice is appreciated
>>724923001Find a wall. The wall can be anything written,spoken,made by native speakers of japanese for consumption by other japanese speakers. And then bang your head into it until breaks or you heads can't take it anymore. Then find another wall and repeat for years.
>>724918210POOjeet MAD lmao
>>724879964How many 12 episode SoL anime do i need to finish with jap subs before i graduate to something else
>>724915821>想いが動かす力Translated to >With Hearts AlignedI fucking hate this game.
at least you're not waiting for subtitles
>>724890748Because it has the word "kokujin" in it, which might as well be a slur. For all you noobs out there, also remember : 黒人 vs 国人>>724891019>>724894523Informal form of yahari. やはり. My relatives put a ridiculous elongation on the tsu sometimes ,when it's a filler word or negation.>>724893996https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjZdHdd88joVid related.
>>724923001>learn the kana>learn grammar (tae kim)>download anki and a starter deck like core2k or kaishi 1.5k>download yomitan and install the jitendex dictionary>immerse in japanese content that you can somewhat understand. no english>do anki every day to supplement the immersionthere's your zero to n5 tutorial. there's a billion guides out there but they all follow this basic format unless they're trying to sell you something
>>724924932Thanks a lot anon, I have a question with>>immerse in japanese content that you can somewhat understand. no englishIs there anything in particular you'd suggest? I know it should be based on what I find interesting but is there any topic/content that you recommend?
>>724896796>so it is the sort of filler phrase that don't make too much sense even to a native and that nobody actually says outside of books and movies?Absolutely not. It's a very common word. It's context dependent though, and is also it's own opposite, like やばい. I wouldn't necessarily go for a word for word translation when either of those words are in the sentence. Also, in text, watch for katakana use, and also watch for the い to be dropped off the end in informal use. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uXJBa44-fUMNote the subtle pitch differences here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkNbeXcaGr8https://www.youtube.com/shorts/St-4BKOomsc
>>724901654My goal is to one day understand ALL of sayonara zetsubo sensei.
>>724901751>>724902412>The approaches aren't mutually exclusive though, are they? Learning components does not mean memorizing and quizzing yourself on every kunyomi and onyomi reading in the dictionaryCorrect and correct. You should be picking up kanji immediately, through immersion as SOON as you can read the furigana they've thoughtfully provided for your yochien ass.
>I hate japan, anime, weebs, boobs, sexy girls, and video games!>I'll dedicate my life to learning japanese and translating anime!
>>724904725>>724905443The key to that is to internalize a barely english functional Fresh off the Boat in your head. Donmai donmai.
>Japanese attack dialogue>KORE DE...>OWARI DAAAAAAAA>English attack dialogue>THIS ENDS NOW>CONSIDER YOURSELF FINISHEDIt's like sort of the same thing but the English version was sassy about it.
>>724909745Yes, but they havent' had it since the first airing of Uchu Senkan Yamato.>>724909830What a sicko.
>>724912774Can you get to japan, possibly via JET program? Otherwise, failing that, get to whatever level you need to start consuming media, and consume.
>>724923646It's honestly completely bullshit. Koji was basically writing in his own headcanon in places he thought were too boring or things people wouldn't bother to read like item descriptions and he gets to become the lore consultant. I wish I could do my job completely wrong and they get promoted
There's so many free guides out there now, back in my day you had to go to college and Japan to learn it so it was ironically something only normal people could do. I hope you guys are enjoying of the one good thing about the world today as opposed to 20 years ago. Too bad Japanese media isn't one of those things. Still better than the alternative, but it's not like there's VNs coming out these days.
>>724925071NTA and currently a dekinai but I've recently been making some progress by rewatching something I previously did a long time ago, only this time with JP subs. Since I vaguely remember it I'm not at a total loss about what's being said so I can focus on how it's being said.
>>724917987Ok now how do you remember shit like くたくた, ちょくちょく, ぼちぼち, わっさわっさ
>>724925071anything you can think of. dragon quest 1, pokemon, youtube comments, etc. you're gonna rely heavily on context until you find your bearings. stuff like shopkeeper speak and semantically opaque expressions, e.g. お力になれなくてもうしわけございません->sorry I wasn't able to help (doesn't mean "I am sorry I wasn't able to become your power"), are gonna catch you off guard. it's a matter of getting used to shit>>724910807please stop mocking trannylators. it's heccin rude and unwholesome you bigot!>>724912774that moonrunes have tons of tricks to them. and you should take words in with them (出(で) from でる and 出(だ) from だす, 食(しょく) 食事(しょくじ), etc.)you need to use the language to get good at using it. even trivial shit like 今日はアニメいくつかの話を見ました。明日はゲームをやります helps. this goes for conversations too.looking up how to express what you want to say is an essential skill. you can't just say "a long time" and go "oh that's 昔." you have to know shit like とっくに(I solved that a long time ago), 久しぶり(の)(it's been a long time since (we just met)), ずっと前(long before that), 長い間(I've been studying for a long time), etc.use templates to make grammar stick. some phrase that serves as a template that will in help it stick in your head: 大人しくしていれば誰も死なずに済んだもの (v+ずに+済んだ+もの) -> if you'd stayed put we could have gone over this without anyone dying
>>724913889>Let the original text live and die on its own merits.actually there's an entire debate centered about that. the objective is for the work to sell. there have been cases of works where the translation outshone the original and retards are debating whether that was a good thing (because if people saw the original they'd be disappointed)>inb4 stop defending trooncalizersI never was. thinking in terms of black and white is retarded>>724926117no one ever will. immersion is no panacea and the retards blindly pushing for it only care about being half-literate. it never hurts to have dictionaries and look up synonyms, usage, and shit
>>724926117>Ok now how do you remember shitYou stop underestimating the power of watching a scene in a show or reading something in a book and it staying with you to remind you what it means.I'm sure there are words you've only seen or heard once or twice ever in your own language that you can pin back to a specific moment somewhere.
LOL
>>724927707oh my fucking god
>>724927707soul vs soulless sorry to say a localization CAN be good if the writers aren't retards
>>724927707wtf lazy japs forgot to write the dialogue. thank localizerbros for filling in the missing lines
>>724881541>english>endless expressions, sayings, aphorisms etckek. Literal illiterate retard, and a subhuman slav to boot.
>>724927707I can appreciate those Trails localizations in the sense of "they make pretty sweeping changes but they have their own voice and make it fun in their own way", but you will take my beloved あんですって~!from my cold dead hands.>t. played Trails in Japanese
>>724927707Fanfiction at its finest/worst
>>724879964I blame americans, unironically.Same issue with "gotta"no one says gotta, especially learned people.
>>724925313I say this
>>724929189>no one says got-ACK!
>>724880413>heavy hittinghow is spamming swears "heavy hitting"for me its a sign of immaturity in both the character and the writer. Maybe because it just reminds me of some lower class mutt or nigger since thats how they speak on the daily.A simple "fuck" is hard hitting and impactful if the guy saying it literally never says it and is some old, refined gentlemen sort, but thats not what we get, we get DmC: Devil may cry levels of cringe.
>>724928553hes not wrong, youre just a muttmerican who barely learned English in the first place.Get out of my sight, you lower class scum.
>>724883345>but a lot of errors stem from having no context to what you are readingThen thats a fundamental flaw with the studio, they should be informing their troonslators and VAs better.
>>724910807Congrats, you solved it elegantly.Much better than that lolcowlizer rambling and that garbage yessiree that was missing the nuance of やっぱり in the first place.
>>724929621>they should be informing their troonslators and VAs better.Not their jobs and not their problem.Ted Woolsey took time during his translation of FFVI to video tape as much of him playing through the game as he possibly could just to have something to reference since Square didn't give any to him when he requested them.Of course, it IS their problem but in reality, it's always on (You) to do your due diligence and play through the game. The real problem is when they don't even give you a copy of the game to do this, but then, they deserve shit to work out for them poorly at that point.
I WILL become Japanese!
>>724887240Perfect example of an autist that doesn't actually communicate with other humans in english.
>>724898295I live in Japan and don't see this happening. Sanae has tricked the far right into thinking she's their ally by pandering to them with that kind of talk, but since becoming PM, she's done nothing but continue the previous administration's immigration policies while signaling that Japan still needs to accept immigration. Her mentor, Abe, is the whole reason Japan had immigration loopholes to begin with, and she worships the guy, so it's hard to believe she'll actually be tougher on immigration at all.She seems way more focused on appeasing Ishin and lifting limits on how many hours of overtime we can work, anyway.
>>724880235>TA-KEH DI-SU
I am fine with translations not being literal but I hate complete rewrites and when localization is used for censoring things, events and characters
>>724879964When I play japanese made games or watch anime all the characters speak like theyre autistic, very blunt and straightforward. and they use words or phrases that americans dont say in current day so it loses some immersion. i cant tell if thats just how they are or the localization.
hate it when japan uses a borrowed word from latin or french and it gets localized to something else
>>724933476looks like you have found your マイブーム
>>724903578I've been using machine translation to translate my game, but I've been intensely scrutinizing and double, triple, quadruple checking every single line that comes out of AI. Usually what ends up happening is that I have to whittle down the context until it spits out something that resembles the original context. I refresh the page constantly and have it grade each line or the entire exchange or accuracy or flow. I use multiple models and aggregate with a rough pass. I'm probably overdoing it, but I don't want to take any chances. I don't know if machine translation is at a point where you can just hash out a translation without heavy oversight, but my experience is built entirely on oversight so I'm not one to talk.
>>724933608that's one of the disadvantages of AIshit. it can only pay attention to sentences, without taking notice of the rest of the text, and it lacks context (intertextuality, referents and deictic uses, figures outside the text, etc.)
>>724932138Furthermore, all the ones in power (those with money) push immigration heavily. No one wants to do shit jobs at shit pay? Just import immigrants instead of raising the wage. This has added effect of suppressing the entire pay column: if cleaner gets 8$/hr, you're happy with 20$/hr wages. If cleaner wages go up to 20$/hr due to scarcity, you want a raise. Suppressing low-paying job wages directly suppresses higher pay roles too, netting you massive profit. Its not a conspiracy, everything is going exactly as planned.
X normalfags think right is betterI'm ESL and I prefer left
>>724934648You clearly don't know japanese then
>>724934712spotted the localizerthe character in question wasn't actively listening to their conversatio
>>724935010>聞かれているmeans that someone is listening in (and you're inconvenienced by it). whether they're actually paying attention is another matter entirely
>>724935123How does this conjugation imply inconvenience? (Serious question I'm N5 and trying to learn).
>>724912774that it really does just come down to reading/listening and looking up stuff you don't know for 2000+ hours. Simple but does work.
>>724912774that you should get gamesentenceminer and use its ocr overlay to play whatever untranslated game you've been itching to play for years
>>724887648if theres that many untranslated things you want to read then get gamesentenceminer and get through them sentence by sentence to learn the language https://morg.systems/58465ab9
Do Japanese people stutter as much in real life as they do in manga
>>724896806It's the same in every languages, and actual Japanese don't use that many loan words. A lot of games and anime like to add english words to be cool, like IRL most people won't say 40パーセント but 4割 instead.
>>724935010You're L'ing yourself. Active or not she is listening.
lived for two years in Tokyo. it was overrated. joining a group of delinquents over our shared interests for the initial d arcade was fun though.
>>724935349>会話を聞かれているwhen someone does something to you that you don't like you use を+passive form (suffering passive. N3 shit iirc)強盗に財布を盗まれた! (ah, some asshole mugger stole my wallet!/I had my wallet stolen by a mugger!). (彼は)お父さんを殺された (they killed his father). ps: the pic uses は(topic marker), which subsumes をon the other end when someone does something desirable/to assist you you useVて+もらう (active voiceて+directional verb ~もらう/~いただく) instead. e.g. 先輩にクッキーを食べてもらった (senpai ate my cookies, I'm so thrilled!)you also have Vて + くれる/くださる for when someone does something for you, but it's from their own initiative
>>724934648Right conveys roughly the same meaning while conforming more to Hollywood writing on top of sounding a bit nicer. A verbatim translation (after taking into account the grammatical voice and implied possessive determiner) would be "Mikami is listening to our conversation."
>>724899051japs would never use english, true enough
>>724936963Not sure why I wrote Mikami. I think I have dyslexia.
>>724899051>Japs would never say "Yessiree"you're watching things through a translation layer. the reason it's wrong is not because they don't correspond 1:1 to what's being said, it's because it's cringey as fuck, which the original isn't>>724936631it's actually an indirect passive. there are 3 types>suffering passive (隣人に大声を出された) (they do something undesirable to the subject)>owner passive (テレビを壊された, 財布を盗まれた) (they do shit to something that belongs to the subject)>intransitive verb (子供に泣かれた) (self-explanatory)
>English audio>"EAT SHIT MOTHERFUCKER!!!">Japtitles>"馬鹿"
>>724937698that reminds me>watch simpsons with jap subs>none of the subs match the english text in tone or intentwhy
>>724927402The thing no self-respecting weeaboo will ever admit, and the point which lolcalizers can consistently hold over them, is that you can't simply "accurately" translate something period. Sometimes it boils down to technical limitations, like it was with RPGs on (S)NES, but the bottom line is that there is no solution to satisfy everyone, because LANGUAGES ARE DIFFERENT WOW BIG SURPRISE. Forget massive context-sensitivity of Japanese, or obscure idioms, or accents and their associations, just the simple fact that somebody shouts out an attack name is not a thing that ever happens in English unless explicitly aping asian sword magic tropes. Not in the impossible-fantastical sense, but in how the closest cultural touchstone is a battlecry. And something like IRON REAVER SOUL STEALER got five too many syllables to really work as one.That particular example is not an unsolveable problem, just like honorifics assuming you are consistent with them, and not bullshitting like Persona. But editorial and autistic arguments stem from fundamental differences like these, the minute implications that two similar words can create. Go read up on various different translations for poetry to really feel how complicated shit gets.
>>724937783The Simpsons came out a long time ago. The integrity of dubs wasn't quite as strict back then, especially with a show so steeped in American pop culture.
>>724938196>there's no way to satisfy everyonestopped reading there. nice cop-out. it doesn't excuse pozcalizers' piss-poor at the end of the day
>In Osaka at a language school right now>trying to learn Japanese so I can become a permanent resident at some point in the far off future>it's not going well>Every school in Japan is "full immersion" learning>Meaning, they are under the impression that one learns a new language via osmosis>Would have been better off learning this shit back in the states, where the teachers were actually bilingual and didn't solely care about ROI or money >stuck between a rock and a hard place, because I emigrated to Japan to get closer to martial arts, as there were ZERO opportunities to learn that shit in the Midwest >but learning Japanese in the actual country it's sourced from is, quite ironically, more difficult than learning it another country>was never an autodidact, so that isn't an option either>tried asking on /trv/ but that place is full of cunts
>>724879964Final Fantasy 16 has a bunch of fuck and shit in it, felt completely out of place for a FF game.
>>724938343>dubsI watched the michael jackson episode JP subbed. it was awkward as fuckthe dub has no problem being expressive, although there are some changes I deviated too far (e.g. when flanders snaps they didn't add an equivalent to "hey buddy GOT A QUARTER?" which kills the impact)
>>724938409And I ain't in the business of excusing it, fuck 'em commies. But the only way you can hold that JUST DO IT EXACTLY HOW I WANT IT WHICH IS THE PERFECT WAY LMAO position is because you've never actually translated anything. Stopping reading mid-post is not a good indication of language skills either.
>>724938440Language schools are a sham. The full immersion environment is just an excuse to not have to source competent bilingual speakers.The thing that gatekeeps everyone from Japan is unironically the language. The syntax and lack of cognates make it hell to follow, and the writing system is considered by many to be the most complex in modern language.
>>724887004I've noticed that if I type god on Android it doesn't autocorrect to upper case G but if I type Allah it does. The disrespect feels related to what you're saying.
>>724888231Interesting, I keep learning things on 4chan.
>>724881541Any language that comes from Latin mogs the ever loving fuck out of English.
>>724938498My bad. Same principle with subs.Watch any American movie subbed from the 80s in JP. It's a miracle anything got translated at all considering the relative lack of skill between the countries.
>>724888230>ne onii-san>hey Peter Also a bunch of singular they/them everywhere.The loss of fansubs in anime is grim. Crunchyroll rips really butchered that.
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>>724938626That's probably because God still functions as a common noun in most contexts whereas Allah when written in English does not.
>>724938440for the easy stuff just write formulas. include nuances (positive, negative, approval, shows rejection, pejorative, etc.)for not so straightforward stuff (often depends on situational translations) come up with cases or recipes on how they're used/interpreted/translated>せっかくだし、何か食べに行こうか->since we're here already, we might as well go grab a bite>たかがゲームだからムキになるなit's just a game, don't get so worked up over it(there are a ton of words that translate to only: たった, だけ, のみ, _無関係者以外_立入禁止(i.e. authorized personnel only), etc.)>anything involving miss (外れる, 乗り遅れる, (番組を)見逃す, 会えなくて寂しい, 会いたかった, etc.)
>>724894804>Many foreigners live here with no more than a handful of simple phrases and do just fine. Lots of signs and menus are in English, and the entire population has received at least six years of English education. Even if you try to speak Japanese, it may not work. Sometimes no matter how perfectly you ask a question in Japanese, you’ll get an answer in EnglishDidn't realize Japan had fallen that much, I still thought they were on English levels depicted in 90s anime.
>>724938440In my experience having conversations with Japanese people is extremely effective for learning, while just listening is not. For me the 相手 being bilingual is actually often a hindrance, since that makes me take the easy route with English. I think the best you could do in your situation is finding someone who wants to talk with you while correcting your mistakes. I have no idea what you should do with reading and writing
>>724899121>Body type is protecting us!I loathe they/them in subtitles, I miss fansubs like you wouldn't believe.
>>724939114they probably still are. their english is atrocious, which is funny considering the myriad eikaiwa sites there are floating around, and how you can look up any fucking idiom in english in all of 2 seconds
>>724939114Their English is terrible, not sure what this guy is talking about. Most get pissed if you try to switch to English after demonstrating some ability.
>>724880162>thread about some common experience for anyone involved in a certain hobby>first post is errm that never happenedWhat's wrong with these niggers? It feels like there's a constant stream of redditfags who come to complain endlessly and gaslight. I think they should kill themselves.
>>724939114Almost every Japanese exchange student coming to my university speaks perfect English.But, there was also an event where Japanese high schoolers toured the premises, and they didn't seem to speak English at all
>>724899356>Whatever #13trannyslator really looked at that scene and thought "whatever, it's fine"
>>724902548this is a parody right?
>ざ波も立っていない滑らかな水面を野放図な小用で長々と乱しremember when this piss(!) sentence broke your bussy? yeah you still have a long way ahead of you
>>724909937wait, the symbol for loud/noisy is also "rape"?no wonder machine translation has been struggling with japanese for so long
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>>724933892Interesting insight. I'm always skeptical when "right-wing" politicians take power. I suppose she's like a Meloni or Le Pen figure?
>>724913259>where the only word for cumming is cringe as fuckcoming. cumming doesn't exist. i don't know why all hentai translators get it wrong. coming, came, come.
I've been playing through FF14's story one a new character and I'm surprised at how much N1 grammar shows up. I also wonder if Japs freak the fuck out when they get a telegraph called インナーサークル
>>724918560Why are they talking like that during intense combat?
>>724880369JET programme. Get paid more than dispatch and eikaiwa companies, they pay for your tickets to Japan, set you up with housing and pay costs of commuting to work.
>>724927707what should her japanese catchphrase be translated to?
>>724941362As someone that did that 10 years ago (and did all 5 years, still in Japan) the only thing that is guaranteed is the flight. I had to buy my own car.
>>724941624rubadubdub thanks for the grub bigbro! Kamala for President!
>>724941742pepehands
>>724941291many items from n1 are very common. higher n lvl is does not necessarily mean frequency. they often build on more basic expressions for a more nuanced tone. it's n2 i believe but ~はしない・~くはない・~くてはいない is one such more nuanced example of the basic negation patterns you see in n5
>>724941783but I have very rarely heard がてら and especially かたわらor Vたら、Vたで
>>724935349It doesn't.He's arguing that since it's passive it shows inconvenience, but passive doesn't inherently show inconvenience. It can show it, the same way as english because it's less direct and can be more vague, but that's it.The meaning in that sentence is pretty clear, "As for all the conversation, we are getting heard by Makima."You can say she might not be paying attention to it the same way you could do it in a non passive form "Makima is listening to our conversation" isn't passive and you could argue she is listening but not paying attention too.In this case it's obvious she is hearing and she is paying attention, it doesn't matter how it's written.
>>724879964Direct translations are impossible and insisting on it is retarded.For example, how do you translate honorifics like like "anon-kun" vs. "anon-san"? You don't. There is absolutely no equivalent in English.You need to a) translate the intended message in other ways, in other lines.ie. Change words slightly to sound more jovial/polite, otherwise you miss the meaning in translation.b) invent a completely new creole dialect of English that has Japanese honorifics.And that's just the most obvious example. Synonyms and translations do not ACTUALLY mean the same exact things.Even word like "bread" means a different object in Germany/US/Italy/etc. because they have different styles of bread.How do you translate "futon"? bed? bedroll? leave it as futon?What about chabudai or genkan? at some point you are not translating, only transcribing.
>>724941783>but I have very rarely heardwhat part of "not necessarily" and "they often" was difficult to understand. i agree がてら is not really used all that often. people might say その足で or something
>>724942214AI post>chabudailow table, coffee table, tea tablefigure out the rest chatgpt-kun
