>blonde hair that looks more like Asgore's instead of Carol's>more Asgor-y vibes>explains why Toriel hates AsgoreRudy is trans and Asgore had all the kids with him.You are fucking your own sister in the weird route.Sweet home Alabama.
>>724929871Incomprehensible thread
>>724929871Very comprehensible thread and I hear you loud and clear but you forget Toriel is a terrible person and Asgore isn't as blessed as Noelle
>>724930217No matter how blessed she is, you shouldn't fuck you sister, Kris.
>>724929871>YourI'm not Krissy though, just using his dick
>>724930601>forcing a guy to fuck his sisterYou sicko.
>>724930859I would have totally fucked my sister when we were teens
>>724929871i swiped
Please dont have sex with your deer sister, anons.
Is dessriel actual incest in this case?Kris is at least adopted
>>724931190Yes
>>724931106Don't have sex with your real sister either. Perhaps just contemplate the mysteries of Noelle
>>724929871>You are fucking your own sister in the weird route.adoptive sister sure, kris isn't blood related to asgore and toriel dipshit
>>724929871Not blood related so not real wincest
>>724932279Dessriel on the other hand......
>>724931190>>724932238>>724932279Kris is yet another Asgore affair child with a human woman who was going to put Kris up for adoption if Asgore didn't take full custody. Human genes overwhelm monster genes, so no one noticed or suspected. It's why Toriel barely cares about Kris
>>724929871Few holes in your schizo theory>(You) are not KrisMaking Kris fuck her sister would fit chudgrave route as an extra evil/based act>Kris is adoptedSo it wouldn't even be real wincest
>>724932754>Every kid in town is Asgore's child>the entire fucking town is just a way to contain the monster Genghis khan himself and prevent him from making every human his offspring like the human one did
I know the ending of Deltarune but you won't believe me, Susie is Dess
Susie is Dess is an anagram of deltarune that tricky dog has made fools of us all once again
>>724933698Meds
>>724933901The secret anniversary still remains hidden but once it's found he will be justified and people will look at the archive in wonder at what has transpired here
how can your sister be another species?
>>724934935You are adpoted
>>724934952so she's not your sister at all it's just a meaningless title
>>724935009Stepsis
>>724934935>>724932754
>>724929871>noelle is asgore's daughter>looks fully deerhow weak are assgore's genes
>>724929871>Raping your own sisterI'm now interested in this tumblr dog shit
>>724930217>Asgore isn't as blessed as Noelleher sister is "dead", her dad has magic aids, her mom's a cunt, her childhood friend barely acknowledges her, and there's a entire route where she metaphorically raped. its beyond over for her
>>724936425NOELLE'S BEING WEIRD AGAIN only instead of shaming her about it and watch her twitches and spasms as though she were divining the future
>>724936425OP rudy genes
>ralsei is a sissy femboy>is a depressed nihilist who’s probably going to die>noelle is a stereotypical girly girl>has entire route where she gets psychologically tortured and rapedToby hates femmine people
>"um kris can you kindly fuck off i'm trying to bag a baddie so please jerk off in my dead sisters room instead.">kris farts in her vague vicinity>"susie who's that? i only care about my beloved krismas"the actual fuck is her defect.
>>724937863She is a cuck through and through
>>724932832So this is the power of a BOSS Monster...I pray to Gaster we never know what becomes of Asriel's college.
>>724938993Let's hope the Frisk and Chara college friends isn't true.
Ok, I just thought of an idea where Noelle could have the genes of Asgore, Carol and RudyWhat if noelle is the illegemate child of dess and asriel?
>>724940673>noelle is the illegemate child of dess and asriel?>dess and asriel are implied to only be a few years older than kris and NoelleDid Dess get pregnant when she was 7?
>>724942920plausible
>Kris as you know, you are welcome to come over any time and fuck my daughterThe fuck was her problem
>>724946163>COME ABOARD AND BRING ALONG ALL YOUR ARYAN SPERM!
>>724929871* (Well, this is somehow a Deltarune Thread.)
>>724946308>308▶>>>724946163>>COME ABOARD AND BRING ALONG ALL YOUR ARYAN SPERM!kris is yellow(Asian)
>>724929871No little chuddy you aint gonna add incest to the tags of deer rape on rule 34
Dess raped Kris.
>>724946163Carol was basically trying to get kris into an pseudo arrange marriage same with what the dreemurrs tried to pull with chara in undertale>”oh you found a human around your age that you REALLY like that’s great asriel. Say how about you let this new human share a room with you? No we’re not going to adopt them just think of them as someone you’ll spend the rest of life with”they both had similar results
>>724930371Post the rest anon
>>724929871real
>>724929871>DEFLOWERS and KEKS his own Sister Kris is savage
>>724949824Stepsister*
>>724951412>StepsisterBORING
>>724929871Kris is adopted retard, did you think Toriel shit out a human
>>724946163She wants Grandkids
>>724946621Japanese are aryans
>>724930371Zoomer retardation. Consanguinous relationships are bad, but they aren't even the same fucking species. Which is probably also bad, but for opposite reasons.
>>724939121No, the non-character undertale humans are not in deltarune.
>>724953123what if he is chinese
>>724946621>kris is yellowo rly?
>>724953336I meant to add theory there, but yes, it's obvious Chara and Frisk won't be in Deltarune. It was a joke.
>>724930371>>724947484sauce?
>>724953594Sorry, I jumped the gun
>>724953678A Kriselle post on Tumblr of all places. There's like 20 images in total
why is /v/ psychotically obsessed with cuckoldry?
>>724954310The link, anon.
>>724954310it is not like Suselle is set in stone canon and Kris and Noelle had 0 chemistry. Noelle's silly crush could go anywhere honestly and not like Kriselle is some supreme chud's choice.
>>724954489>and not like Kriselle is some supreme chud's choice.It kind of isWell actually no, the chud's choice is (you)elle. After all, Kris has no game, she's into the edgy cosmic demon living in his chest
>>724946163Carol wants grandkids and kris is someone the least retarded “male” that’s Noelle’s age in hometown
>>724929978At this point this game is for off-site schizo underage ship fags. There is only so much to talk about a tumblr indie games 3 and 4th chapters.
>>724953941I mean, I like Frisk and Chara and I disagree with you about them being non-characters, but I am satisfied with the college headcanons/fanfic stuff. Apologies accepted.
>>724954558i mean kris is a they so even if they want Noelle to be 100% gay it could still work
>>724954386It's how they cope with losing the battle for their hobby in 2014, punctuated by the ghouls raising their victory flag in 2015 in the form of Undertale.
>>724954627Well, there are Toby Fox's bsky/X posts, like this one. Who could it be?>Asgore>FRIEND>Asgore's TV
>>724954646Kris is a boy, the monsters just call him "they" because Toby is himself a homosexual
>>724954771Either Tenna returns and is extra annoying, Asgore’s TV is super annoying, or Asgore’s flowers suck balls and are super evil.
>>724954771>Someone tested ch5>Instead of comments on how awesome the festival scenes are>The comment is about tenna Spoids fucked up the game
>>724954959Tenna is awesome though.
>>724954950>a boy, the monsters just call him "they"Like in real life.
>>724954771The character in question is Satan or the most annoying person ever, place your bets. I'm going all in on Satan.
>>724955384Should've worded to say Tenna becomes extra annoying. I like him, too.
>>724954771>PedoSky>crossdresses>donates to Burn, Loot, Murder>gender ideology>oikophobic, deconstructivist post-modernistOne of the premiere indie developers of the last ten years, ladies and gentlemen...
>>724955617Got it. I'm not exactly sold on him reappearing either, his story is practically done.
>>724955997I don't think he would get more annoying per se, just maybe more depressed if you keep him around in Castle Town instead of giving him away like Susie promised (and brought him back to life for).
>>724929871god this and andy & leilei threads would cause the melty of all time
>>724954771He's basically saying that Tenna is at fault for something here lol, that's a spoiler. Toby wants to fuck with the Tenna fujos.
>>724956439I just think he's referring to the phrase itself, "I miss Tenna", not the character, and asking for an opposite to refer to this new character that apparently we will not miss.
>>724935145if pornography has taught me anything, step-relationships are to be encouraged. the lord placed a some ass in your path for a reason and you're just gonna be like no thanks senpai, then we'd already live together and be able to fuck like rabbits!
>>724954771>"What's the opposite of 'I miss Tenna?'"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MacoenOy9Ss
>>724954410Gimme a bit, I found it before chapter 3/4 and the new kriselle stuff buried it
>>724955989Do you actually have a life outside of these threads?
Suselle is more incestuous…
>>724958335>dess is just stretched out susiekek
>>724958018>do you even exist outside of the brief snapshots of time when something of yours is posted?I don't know, do (You)?
>>72495833510/10 meme, Suselle is really just incest on a psychological level.
>>724955989>>724958631nta but you clearly missed the point, life is not just about culture wars brainrot you know?
>>724958631no
>>724958808>life is not just about culture wars brainrot>lol stop fighting the battle against ghouls taking over culture and your very way of life; you already lost centuries ago!I know, but as long as the sane are allowed to speak...
Someone post the significance of the Northern Lights and Dess/Noelle again
>>724958631>>724959142Faggots that spend all day in a doerape thread on a taiwanese rhizome cultivation forum prattling about oikophobia aren't changing anything. doubly so if they're anti-gun ownership subhumans.
>>724959851Wat
>>724959851>anti-gun ownershipNo, I'm fully in favor of people owning guns. People, not oikophobic ghouls.
>>724954771Does this mean they'll be starting localization soon? Surely ch5 must be somewhat close to being done if he's showing it off to his friends.
>>724958335>Noelle/Susie is psuedo-incest>Kris/Ralsei is psuedo-incest>Kris/Susie reminds Kris of their cool big sister figure and their brother's ex-girlfriend>Noelle/Ralsei would be getting with a doppelganger of her best friend's older brother who was also her big sister's ex-boyfriendHe really is the "KING OF ERO GAMES"
>>724961476loc, qa, etc took a year for chaps 3-4
Why doesn't Kris want to be with Noelle? She loves him. Why won't he love her back?
>>724961587A decent part of that time was spent waiting for the GameMaker devs to unfuck the engine for the game.
>>724961845Because he thinks he's going to kill himself to save everyone, because he's still foolish enough to think I would let him
>>724946163They were the perfect age for one another. Toriel wanted Kris to have a friend but Carol saw the bigger picture. She wanted them both to fall in love early and in the future make grandchildren. Sadly the death of Dess complicated things but thanks to the Soul. Her goal is now getting close.
>>724961943thisI'm going to kill him AND everyone else
Make your predictions for the future Chapters' release dates:Chapter 5: September 2, 2026Chapter 6: November 25, 2027Chapter 7: October 24, 2028
Kris and Noelle will fuck on a regular bases and nothing is going to stop that. This is destiny.
>>724962335>and nothing is going to stop that.Including KrisESPECIALLY not Kris
>>724962569
>>724962637JOBra.
>724962637>>724962619
>>724962637Too slow, charafag
>>724962619It would be funny and based
>>724962637Nah she is too good to be the knight
>>724961845Why did tobby raped hussie?
>>724962992But The Knight is good while Chara is an evil piece of shit
>>724962619>He's the Outlaw AND the Knight AND the mayor AND the North StarHow does he find the time?
>>724929871Are you high on jenkem or something?
>>724963361AND he's frozen in there
>>724963185Kris is his self insert, which means he is very rapeable.
>>724963353>Knight>GoodIs this bait? The Knight is explicitly a bad guy.
>>724963453and he's the the sheriff
>>724963560It probably hasn't even killed anyone yet
>>724963590If that's the case, the only person Chara killed was themselves before losing their SOUL.
>>724963590she's killed trillions
Who did this? >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwErQqLy2BU
>>724963743Every single female character did this, though.
>>724963590>It probably hasn't even killed anyone yet
>>724963685Chara killed himself in order to facilitate a genocide, and then came back to life to commit a different genocide
>>724964630Excuse meThe knight probably hasn't killed a person yet
>>724964760t.
>>724964630That big ass nose looks like it could kill someone
>>724964684The Knight's actions also directly lead to a genocide, too. That's what the Roaring.
>your choices don't matter>except when it comes to whether or not you spare the disgusting creatures who try to kill you even after you've supposedly softened them up enough to surrenderRobert has this doublethink thing that a lot of ghouls have...
>>724964630she didn't even kill tenna
>>724964902Killing darkners actually does not matter
>>724958335>"suselle is bad because noelle just sees susie as dess 2.0">meanwhile kris is also letting dess live rent free in his head 24/7krusiebros....
>>724964874Nah the roaring is the breakdown of the barrier between the light and dark world, leading to a state in which "real" and "imaginary" are not distinct. Plus we don't even know if Kris and the knight are actually trying to start it, or just cultivate dark magic for some other purpose, while trying to thread the needle of getting what they want without breaking reality.
>>724964918Only if you recruit Shadowguys and Pippins because Susie saves him.
>>724964849>("I'd get mad, but I'd be jealous too if was a no-nose chump like her!")
>>724965004No, it's just the only part of the game that changes the story.
>>724965104>Nah, the Roaring is [headcanon]Good job, you made me reply.
>>724965060Well the difference is1. A guy going after the sister of his childhood crush is much weirder than a girl going after another girl because of her resemblance to her own older sister2. While Kris does have some feelings for Noelle, you have to drag him kicking and screaming to actually act on them, and he knows it's kind of fucked up
>>724965137Random dialogue choices hanging out with your friends affects more than whether or not you kill imaginary creatures in the dark world
>>724965189Nothing in the game states that the roaring would result in everyone dying. My explanation for what it is is consistent with how dark fountains work and the logical conclusion of continuing to proliferate them.
>>724965208Excuse me, a guy going after the sister of his childhood crush is much less weird than a girl going after another girl because of her resemblance to her own older sister
>>724965329Except Ralsei’s blatant explanation that tells you that it will turn all Darkners into stone and make Lightners lost forever in an endless night hunted by Titans, which is proven right by the prophecy in Chapter 4 saying we need to save the worlds and that the heroes will appear at "worlds end", and the Titans and its spawns being killing machines.
>>724964902Kill yourself
>>724965280>imaginary creaturesWell it's a good thing Robert considers that NOW. Where was that in his first game?>guhhh, da one dat nobody played?His first big game, in 2015.
>>724964874The Knight doesn't actually want The Roaring to happen and the Heroes will save the world(s) no matter what. The Prophecy cannot be changed.
>>724961495>ralsei x susie is one of the only non vaguely incestuous shipsi kneel
>>7249654861. darkners aren't people2. 3 children, one of whom isn't even real and another of which is holding back, kill a titanAlso what do you think the "endless night" is, dumbass? It's clearly the light world falling into darkness, with the barrier between them breaking down.
>>724965632Neither did Chara's attempted genocide actually succeeded. I think the point of the argument here is conquences of actions. The Knight is still evil for endangering the world.
>>724965606Yes, he was a worse writer 11 fucking years ago, give him a break
>>724965729>darkners aren't peopleMissed the point of the game and Susie and Ralsei’s arc award.
>>724965606Oiko-schizo, what does screaming into the void of 4chan actually do. You're not changing anyone's mind here, and you're certainly not changing any Christians mind after your psychotic episode last thread.
>>724965632The knight and Kris probably intend for the roaring to START in order to accomplish something that can only happen under that condition, but then to stop the roaring before people actually get hurt. Very risky, arguably irresponsible, but they don't mean harm. >>724965734>I think the point of the argument here is conquences of actions. No, it's intent.
>>724937767yeah, the dykes are giga-glorified as wellwell, i guess undyne did job spectacularly on DR though but she isn't a dyke there (yet)
>>724965895>No, it's intent.Then your entire argument is just headcanon since we explicitly don't know what the motivations of the Knight actually is.
>>724965734They summoned a Titan because they knew (You) would seal it. There was no danger, The Prophecy still has to be fulfilled.
>>724965632I'm still in the "The Knight is a mindless monster who only thinks of the prophecy" camp and is working with Kris only because it's well aware that Kris' betrayal is part of the prophecy as well.
>>724965829The point of the arc is to set up the rug pull of Susie and Kris having to accept that the darkners are actually just projections of people's own imagination and insecurities onto a psychic tapestry. They are echoes of impressions of reality and indulging in the illusion of companionship they offer is akin to remaining asleep in bed because you don't want to face the real world. Ralsei is nothing more than Kris's and Dess's understanding of Asriel at a specific time point manifested as a creature. Did you seriously not get that it was supposed to be weird and unhealthy that Susie would negatively react to an old ass CRT TV being left out in the rain? Objects are not actually your friends.
>>724966046>since we explicitly don't know what the motivations of the Knight actually is.Nah I know.She wants Kris to be happy.
>>724962289>predictionsChapter 5: December 25, 2026Chapter 6: October 31, 2029Chapter 7: April 4, 2031...Chapter 8: January 2, 2033...Chapter 0: July 30, 2036
>>724965808>he was a worse writer [10] fucking years agoBetter writing can't save abhorrent ideas.>>724965834>what does screaming into the void of 4chan actually doRemind you that Robert's and his followers' ideas aren't as universally accepted as the modern wall-to-wall propaganda apparatus would assure you.>you're certainly not changing any Christians mindWhen did I say that I was?>your psychotic episode last threadLink? I know you people are poor judges of mental health, I just want to know what exactly you're talking about.
>>724966070Sure, but opening Dark Fountains and trying to sacrifice people are explicitly bad things to do.
>>724966143>>724965729NTA gonna agree with the other guy: You missed the point of the game.The objects and Darkners may not be real as in Lighters but their world is real to lightners. The relationships Kris and Susie are building are real relationships. The way people feel about darkners are real feelings. It's not that Darkners aren't real, it's that the feelings people have toward those objects are real even if the objects are inanimate. There was a whole arc where you resurrected a dead guy to tell you that.
>>724964580I need these two pussies
>>724964580Not Kris, thankfully. Nobody finds this sexy
>>724966046We've been able to infer this since Chapter 2, but Chapter 4 has Ralsei explicitly reason that The Knight doesn't just want senseless violence or to end the world>* If the Knight's only goal was to hurt people...>* They would have acted sooner, right?If they wanted to cause The Roaring, there was absolutely nothing stopping them from summoning Titans earlier, in places where we wouldn't be right there to stop it.
>>724966576Wtf my name is nobody?
>>724966386Nah you're just a sucker who fell for the meme. Imaginary things are in fact not real, and getting genuinely emotionally invested in them as though they were real while neglecting the world around you and your family and friends is a self destructive coping mechanism at best. (This is also a meta commentary about video games, as the characters are as fake to us as the darkners are to them)
>>724966625The point is that we don't know the Knight's motivation, we can just speculate on it. So we can't just assume it has good intent and so it's good. But at the same time the guy that started this seems to think that the Knight killing Tenna and Jackstein doesn't matter despite the game explicitly saying otherwise.
>>724966965>The point is that we don't know the Knight's motivation, we can just speculate on it. So we can't just assume it has good intent and so it's good.We actually can because, unlike you, we aren't fucking autistic, and have narrative instinct.>But at the same time the guy that started this seems to think that the Knight killing Tenna and Jackstein doesn't matterIt doesn't. In fact it's probably for the better, if anything.
>>724966960That's right. The message of Deltarune is that video games are fake and don't matter.
>>724967165I wonder if this guy is one of those "Weird Route will actually be the good ending"fags.
>>724967165Not that they don't matter, but that they're not real, and you need to remember that.
>>724966960> Imaginary things are in fact not real, and getting genuinely emotionally invested in them as though they were real while neglecting the world around you and your family and friends is a self destructive coping mechanism at best.The entire point of Chapter 3 is that it's perfectly fine to get emotionally invested in objects to escape from things happening with your friends and family, and forming relationships with objects is a worthwhile escape. >(This is also a meta commentary about video games, as the characters are as fake to us as the darkners are to them)So did you just not play Chapter 3?
>>724966283>universally accepted as the modern wall-to-wall propaganda apparatus would assure youNo matter how noble of a cause you dress it up as, screeching into the void remains screeching into the void. Note that I'm the only one addressing you and that nobody aside from yourself is actually cataloging your words. And wouldn't you have more success on twitter or reddit. Most people here wanna fuck the doe or dino.>mental healthSee above.
This thread is total dog shit, damn.Is this what it's gonna be what it is from now on?The Janny's pet screaming at itself for like 90% of the thread and maybe like 10 posts actually sort of talking about the games?
>>724967272Yep. The Dark World is just a game. Why would anyone care what happens there? It doesn't affect the REAL world.
>>724967418>The entire point of Chapter 3 is that it's perfectly fine to get emotionally invested in objects to escape from things happening with your friends and family, and forming relationships with objects is a worthwhile escape. It's literally the opposite lol
>>724955562FRIEND is a Darkner, he is based off of something real.I cannot say what that something is.Darkners come in two varieties: Materially-based, and Immaterially-based.Most Darkners are derived from an object, non-living matter.However, a rare few Darkners can be formed from less tangible sources - Sensations, Emotions, Concepts, Memories.These kinds of Darkners are capable of self-perpetuating and self-defining. Once manifested, they can exist in the Darkness of any fountain - and perhaps, under the right circumstances, even exist in the Light world.Another factor to consider is that the psyche of the Lighter who creates the fountain which spawns the Darkners deeply influences the Darkner's formation.Susie knew the Darkner based off of Gerson's memory, but she all she knew of the man himself was that he was dead - ashes preserved in a brittle shell.Perhaps this is why her attempt to spawn a Darkner based off Gerson resulted in what it did.Tentatively one might conclude that - for the purposes for creating immaterially-based Darkners - only memories, concepts, and emotions rooted in the Lightworld are valid foundations.
how would they get along
>>724967605Pssst, slaughtering everyone in a fantasy world just to indulge in the fantasy of doing so is the same thing as pretending your CRT TV in the living room is alive and your friend.
running out of topics... idk what if ralsei remained black
>>724967551Are you this guy?>>724963353Because you started this conversation, my man.
>>724967428>Most people here wanna fuck the doe or dinoA monstrous developer attracts monstrous people who want to fuck monstrous characters, yes.>b-b-but Noelle's---A monster, as is reinforced by her homosexual lust for another monster.>nobody aside from yourself is actually cataloging your wordsI take it whichever site archives /v/ posts is down, then.
>>724967883No he's not me, why would you think that
>>724967715Noelle would be friendly but probably wouldn't get too closeKris would rage autistically from seeing another human and would do everything they can to avoid a confrontation
>noelle wants to fuck susie because she reminds her of dess>kris wants to fuck susie because she also reminds him of dess>berdly wants to fuck susie because she reminds him of his fictional gamer girl waifujesus is there anyone who wants to fuck susie for a NORMAL reason
>>724967715We could've had this in the Undertale livestream if Toby wasn't a coward.
>>724967551Janny's pet and other schizos. Unless they get doxxed or something
>>724967605This bitch is legit crazy
>>724967923Because you seem like the type to whine about Chara unprompted.
>>724967818Wouldn't be the same thing without the hat
>>724966243Nah Nigoby is going to release chapter 6 and then 7 and it will be up to you to discover chapter 5 on the internet..
>>724968012she is going to rape (You)
>>724967652>It's literally the opposite lolNope.Tenna helped Kris during a hard time in his life, and the point is: there was nothing wrong with that.
>>724967715>Noelle immediately presents her exposed belly to the new older human boyFucking SLUT
>>724968009Don't you whine about the Janny's pet supposed attempt to dox someone in every single Deltarune thread?
>>724968442>Boy*Girl.
>>724968012That's the best part
>>724968364P-Please no...
>>724967652>It's literally the oppositeWhat was wrong with this picture?
>>724968534Kris Frisk and Chara are boys
>>724932754>>724932832That's basically what was up with Zeus in mythology, checks out
>>724968640They're looking at a screen and not each other
>>724968654>Kris... is a boyCorrect. Frisk and Chara are girls.
>>724962069post the second part
>>724968654*Girls
>>724965834I'm still curious what my "psychotic episode last thread" was, not only what you think I said, but also what "last thread" you're talking about.
>>724968773>>724968924Wrong, tranny
>>724965208We've known since chapter 1 that Kris is using Susie as a replacement for Asriel.
>>724965834What'd he do this time?
I think carol is grooming kris
>>724966143>Did you seriously not get that it was supposed to be weird and unhealthy that Susie would negatively react to an old ass CRT TV being left out in the rain?No, one of my favorite activities is getting free electronics off the curb. I love CRTs.
>>724969571Something about how the Greek bibles contain the true history of Christianity and monarchism is the true way forward and that the enlightenment was evil. Thread wasn't even about Deltarune anymore
>>724967790Yeah nothing ever happens in the dark world. Unrelated question, has anyone seen Berdly around?
>>724968767They seemed better off when they were looking at the screen.
>>724969931Making Frozen Chicken is how you know that the weird route is the morally compromised route, unlike killing darkners which doesn't actually matter one way or the other
>>724970060Appearances can be deceiving
>>724969186Carol, biological women aren't trannies. Human women also exist.
>>724970354Not in underrune universe
>>724967662Friend is a bunch of glitched Cat Petterz cats
>>724968364I hope so
>>724970469That's true, they are all they/them blobs.
>>724970831Nah they're all human menwith cocks
>>724970209Do you have any evidence to the contrary?
>>724969692When your kids are covered in fur you tend to do that.
>>724968062>>724968456Mad that the janny's retardation made you look bad on Halloween?
>>724970115Still shows that they matter. Otherwise Noelle wouldn't have gotten stronger, gotten the thorn ring, or learned snowgrave.The dark worlds clearly are real since they can kill you.
>>724970886You sound gay.
>>724971009Not everyone that talks to you and posts in these threads is the same guy.
>>724971029The dark world is the matrix, you froze Turdly's mind rendering him brain dead. Something similar happened to Dess
>>724971296>Semi-final boss in the Snowgrave Route is Berdly reincarnated as a second Roaring Knight.
>>724971394Nah cause The Knight appeared when Kris put his soul in Dess's comatose body, creating a DETERMINATION powered super darkner
>>724971505Why can't Toby put epic stuff like this into the game instead of gay bullshit
>>724971296And it leaves his body cold to the touch in the real world. The same way him frying his arm cripples it in the real world, and mind breaking Noelle in the dark world carries over to the light world. You even see weird explainable magic phenomena start manifesting in the light world like the egg turning a pickle into another egg, that sudden gust of wind in Noelle's room.The dark world very clearly is a lot more real than it lets on, the same way that the mantle game was a lot more real than it seemed, with the character crawling out of the screen.
>>724971505>Kris's original soul is in Dess's body.>There might be a time where we swap souls and take control of Dess.>Just like that part in the Sword Route where we controlled that pitch-black enemy before Kris kills it himself.
>>724971761>Most yjk character in fiction>make her blackwhy?
>>724971761Too realistic.
>>724968009>>724967551Stop samefagging, falseflagsissy.
>>724969186it is writtenkris is a viable candidate
>>724972813No, he isn't.
>>724972813>>724973340To elaborate, Kris is the one who gives the love, ergo, he cannot be the one who receives it
>>724971761These two look fucking HIDEOUS. Never pollute these threads with this fucking garbage again, understand?
>>724962992>Kris and Asriel bring their partners for a family dinner>It's Ralsei and Chara>Toriel is mortified by the realization
>>724975758How far does their brotherly complex go?
It is with fear that i know the new detarune fans 10 years from now are going to be exposed to evil dess posting
>>724977054The pedoephile
IdeaWhat if you swapped Susie and Noelle domestic lifes?Susie as the rich daughter of the mayor, and Noelle as the poor neglected oneHow would they turn out?
>>724977054how bad can she be?
>>724929871Deer pussy. DEER PUSSY. DEER PUSSY!
>>724977331Susie would be a haughty asshole, Noelle would be a shy sensitive girl who wears a sweater too big for her and covers her hands. Possibly with little holes in the sleeves for her thumbs.
>>724977331susie with noelle's domestic life is just dess
>>724972042Swing and a miss, cocksucker
>>724947302How violently autistic would Kris and Noelle’s kids be compared to Asriel’s and Chara’s?
>>724965632>HumanDoesn't say Kris, huh?
dear lightners. if noelle is gay and wants to fuck kris, and berdly is straight and wants to fuck kris. that would mean kris is ______
>>724978263a hermaphrodite?
>>724978374wait no, for some reason i read "noelle is straight"
>>724978263a futa
>>724978263a fuckable little BITCH
There are too many sexhavers in these video games
>>724978151Always bet on Vessel cage.
>>724978646why does he have a pencil gun
>>724929871>Rudy is trans and Asgore had all the kids with him.i kneel
>>724977331susie would be beta susie, maya fey but a dinosaur noelle would be a turbo cunt, she would likely actually physically assault people who pissed her off unlike susie (except for that one time)remember that normal noelle went out of her way to do a genocide run in dragon blazers, multiple timesthe real question would be if she's still a masochist, or if she became a sadist
>>724978151no, it suspiciously doesn't it also seems to imply that the girl isn't susie, but the prince is indeed ralsei
>>724978263Noelle is bisexual, Berdly is bisexual. everyone in Tobyland is bisexual.
>>724979421That can't be right, nobody likes bisexuals
>>724978263my self insert, of courseestablished character traits mean nothing before the power of self inserting
>>724979563There's a reason he isn't selling lightner plushies.
>>724977719>Homoerotic fantasies about an internet strangerNext time don't make it so obvious by responding, samesissy.
>>724978727For the same reason he has sword gun.
>>724937863Kris was her original crush but they grew apart after the unexplained Dess stuff made their families less close.Noelle wants Krismas to be back but she won't even bother unless Kris makes the first move, reigniting the spark with them. At that point, Barney the Purple Dinosaur doesn't matter as much to her.
Post it.
>>724978263Noelle isn't gay and Turdly is retarded
>>724954637Frisk and Chara are Kriss' biological parents
>>724980447Two women can't make a kid
>>724980447then who is asriel out drinking with in college?
>>724980651his wives
>>724965208Jerk off before posting.
>>724980529Holy canon trvth nvke.Fem!Chara and Fem!Frisk remain the undisputed canon.
>>724980651The bull that cucked him.
>>724981553Why is she friends with him?
>>724980680Which are?
>>724978646I love vesselBut why does vessel loves Kris?Why can’t they love me?I gave them love.
i want dess to look like this
>>724983323Berdly is the only good character in the game
Anyone else wish you could give Tenna to Noelle? She has that line about how she really needs to get a CRT for her retro consoles.
>>724983745Vessel loves the you inside Kris.
>>724979679Meds
>>724958335This was my major red flag when Noelle insisted on Susie playing guitar and the fact they dont really bond in her house but mostly talk about Kris
>>724983827RIDING IN MY CAR
>>724981553he would never say that
>>724983323presumably it was a study partner thing created by their parents and since berdly needs a lot of help, they spend a lot of time togethernoelle does comment that berdly is much nicer to her in private though
>>724983910Yeah, but would you be friends with him irl?
Let's discuss the main girl, what are your hopes and fear regarding the path Toby takes with her
>>724977346Bad girl
>>724984994hopefully she doesn't cut her hair when she undergoes her mandatory life changing anime girl power up
>>724984732yes
>>724984994Imagine if Toby creates alternate scenarios for the Festival date and allow you to date Susieor Noelle. We can compete with Dispatch as the waifu dating sim game
>>724978263rapeable
>>724985618is kris the most molested character in vidya?
>>724985578Fair enough
>>724985605Why compete when already have a niche as the waifu raping sim?
>>724985690missing the SOUL
>>724983323because nearly everyone else her age is more retarded(somehow). why do you think carol was basically trying to force kris and noelle into a relationship?
>>724985690It's a race between Kris and Noelle and Kris has a head start
>>724980651frank and kara
>>724985939frank's red hot and chara soon?
>>724983323>friendsI don't think this is true.I think he just started demanding she do his schoolwork ever since he won the spelling bee and she hasn't stopped or told him 'no'. Being a people pleaser is tough, it just makes everyone want to walk all over you more.
>>724985939>frank*francisca
>>724985939How would Clover and Asriel even know each other in Deltarune?
>>724986008frankie*
>>724985997didn't berdly say that he and noelle were studying for the spelling bee before he won it?
>>724980447>Frisk and Chara are Kriss' biological parentssomeone post the image of asgore adopting kris because he accidently ran over frisk and chara
>>724985997She does seem to care about him, she puts her life on the line for him a couple times in chapter 2, and he does the same for her. And she defends him when Rudy talks bad about him.
>>724984021I want to replay the whole story but as Vessel>>724985831What do you think the red background is made of?
>>724976351suselle whales have the gall of saying this couple has no spice btw
>>724986384The picture is incredibly out of character, Kris is is a softy pushover that only pretends to be an edgelord, and only by himself. Not that that's a problem
>>724981553Artist? This is hilarious.
>>724977331A lot of Susie's issue aren't just because she's poor but because she's a foster kid, so just having a stable home life and lifelong friends in town should be a major improvement to her confidence, even with Carol as her mother. At the same time, who knows how losing Dess would affect her, and if Kris was her best friend and still pushed her away after whatever happened she might deeply resent that. It's hard to say without knowing exactly how it happened. I can imagine her developing Berdly levels of cockiness, even like a chuuni wannabe-hero persona, to mask how she feels about not being able to save/find Dess and losing her best friend Kris at the same time.I think poor orphaned Noelle would end up a lot like Ralsei, trying her best to be sweet and kind and keep smiling to hide how desperately lonely and powerless she feels. But compared to Ralsei's tinge of sarcasm and cynicism that slips through the cracks, she'd be hiding a much more bitter and cold side.If anyone ever makes DeltaSwap this would be a great place to start
>>724986459Nope, he would talk like that if he got over his tsundere bullshit since he's giga chuuni (weeb for for "edgelord") btwCheck the OG sketches of the fun gang
>>724985939would you fuck kanako even if she has determinaids?
>>724986486this design is awesome. I want witch-noelle now. I wonder if lightners can change their appearance in dark worlds like that
>>724986645>since he's giga chuuniHe's just aloof and secretly pretends to be dark and dangerous like every highschool sophomore, but never actually expresses it because he's not stupid enough to believe that it's real
>>724986459Kris is a freak who's ashamed of being one. He is an actual sadist who enjoys hurting people, he just hates the fact that he does enjoy it and tries to repress it.
>>724986912>He is an actual sadist who enjoys hurting people,No, in fact he's horrified and spiteful if you try to make him do it, despite having given him an excuse to indulge in a hypothetical desire to hurt people
Is there are more mediocre and low-effort game, especially engineered to cather to emotional immature children and manchildren, than deltarune?GARBAGE ARTSTYLE THAT USES PIXEL ART AS A CRUTCH, JUST LOOK AT THE GODDAMN SPRITES AND TELL ME IT TOOK MORE THAN 2 HOURS TO CREATE THEM.ABYSMAL LACKLUSTER REPETITIVE COMBAT SYSTEMCRAP NARRATIVE THAT PURPOSELLY GOES AT THE SPEED OF A SNAIL AND SO FAR HAS NO CLEAR DIRECTIONI sincerely hope deltarune crashes during their next episode release when people notice how shallow and uncreative it is.
>>724986486What about Noelle's latent masochism and sadism? Does this make even more of a possible serial killer.
>>724986815He's still larping as le epic warrior of badass darkness (the dess/jotaro finger point) even when fighting the roaring knight and the titan, he's a hopeless chuuni
>>724977346She regularly posts her ass on /k/
>>724987045calm down
>>724986679All humans are natural carriers of determinaids. It would have no effect on me.
>>724986912The Krisfag fears the Eram truth nuke.
>>724987332Yep, YEP!
>>724987016That's why he's so mad. He's got the perfect excuse to do it, and is enjoying that fact. He's just as much horrified at himself for going along with it as he is at you for making him doing it.Kris likes poking at Noelle, watching her squirm, making her cry. He's always liked it. And he's always had feelings for her. So when he's made to act out those deep dark desires on her in the worst way possible, and she likes it, it completely breaks him. Remember, Kris can stop you from doing something if he really wants to, and almost all of the actions available to you require some initial impulse to do it on his part.
My name is Noelle, and I like to ________ ...
>>724987362I so badly want a scene of Noelle goading Kris into abusing her more. Telling him its ok, that she likes being hurt, that she likes being made to hurt others, and that she knows Kris does too. With her begging him to stop denying himself so they can finally be together. All the while Kris is completely horrified by the utter monster his innocent childhood friend has become and the intense desire he has to listen to her.
>>724987716do evil routes in Dragon Blazers...
>>724987716Watch from the chair
>>724987716torture virtual animals
>>724987467>He's got the perfect excuse to do it, and is enjoying that fact.He wouldn't be so horribly mad about it if he secretly wanted to do it, and nothing in the game even implies that he does. The most we have is that Kris likes Noelle and so part of him likes that aspect of the weird route. Not that he wants to actually harm or kill anyone.
>>724987789>>724987847>>724987868What the FUCK is WRONG with her?
>>724988286
>>724987332>>724987362>>724987786You all are taking it way too seriously. They blew up some pokemon in an imaginary world who gives a fuck. And turdly got frozen but who gives a shit. It's really not that big of a deal in spite of Kris's seething about it.
>>724988369Noelle...
>>724987054A version of Noelle who's colder from the start ironically wouldn't be Snowgrave material. You might be able to push her around a little but she won't crack like Noelle, you'd just be scratching ice.I think there would still be a path to villainy for her, but she wouldn't find it by following us.
>>724988093>He wouldn't be so horribly mad about it if he secretly wanted to do itThat's exactly why he is so horribly mad about it. He's like one of those repressed homosexuals who vehemently hates gays because he has gay tendencies himself. >and nothing in the game even implies that he doesThere were all those mean spirited pranks he did to Noelle. Covering himself in fake blood to make her think he was bleeding to death, telling her ICE-E was real and was going to eat her, hiding under her bed and scaring her when she tried to sleep, shaking the ferris wheel, pretending to tear out his heart and chase her around with it. Then there's things like him drinking the juice right in front of Alphys and throwing it on the floor. There's the strong implication that all of the dialogue choices you're present with in the game are Kris's ideas. And last but not least ERAM telling you all about the things Kris doesn't want to admit he likes.He doesn't have a conscious desire to hurt people, but he has the subconscious urge to do it. Its an intrusive thought that he just can't shake, a morbid curiosity that he always has. He tries to appease it in healthy ways, but he absolutely does get something out of the other ways.
>>724988480I meant her tendency to torture small animals and watch fucked up videos online. Normal Noelle is genuinely disturbed beyond her cute outward personality.
>>724987045It didn't crash after Undertale, or Chapter 1, or Chapter 2, or Chapter 3+4. Even if it somehow failed expectations, you'd have severe cases of sunk cost fallacies.
>>724988595>He's like one of those repressed homosexuals who vehemently hates gaysIE, a nonsense strawman faggots came up with, in part to align with their shared fantasy of turning straight men gay>There were all those mean spirited pranks he did to Noelle. They were not a big deal and he was like 8 years old. The only prank he did that genuinely crossed the line was the ferris wheel bit, because that's genuinely a bit dangerous, but that was out of stupidity, not malice.>There's the strong implication that all of the dialogue choices you're present with in the game are Kris's ideas. They're all things he could think of as a plausible answer to a given question or situation, but not all of them are things he would actually consider doing. One obvious example being that if asked if you'll play the piano again, you can try to say no, but Kris will literally bite the shit out of his own hand to keep you from actually saying it. >He doesn't have a conscious desire to hurt people, but he has the subconscious urge to do it.No, he has the urge to fuck his childhood friend and to mess with and control her. He's not got a genuinely violent bone in his body.
>>724988595>There's the strong implication that all of the dialogue choices you're present with in the game are Kris's ideasI'm so tired of you people
>>724988806The closest thing I can see of a crash is here depending on what ships are canon in the end.
>>724989103>Please don't>ProceedHe's trying to tell us to not proceed but we can take pieces and parts of his desires and choose which ones we want. He wants it, don't let him trick you. He would be all-in on convincing Noelle he's possessed by an evil spirit if you weren't there
>>724989103not all but some of them are, that pic being an example of which obviously is kris'
>>724989114kek you don't think Tobias is going to make anything canon, right?He lived through Homestuck, he knows that's a path that leads only to ruin.
>>724930217Toriel has yet to do anything wrong beyond "living her own life" and "being slightly inconsiderate of her kid once" but i guess that's an unforgivable offense for you guys
>>724988286>>724988350>Carol enables parental censoring in Douk 3D>Noelle opens up the toolset which isn't impacted by that in any way and gets her kicks with unlimited strippers and women in alien distress while her parents still see a completely bloodless and titless gameSHAKE IT BABY
>>724989541she betrayed and forced millions of children to relive their trauma of having a whore mother
>>724989541Most Underrune fans project their own life into these characters, which is why certain characters get hated less or more depending on the site.
>>724989617i don't think carol ever put parental censors on in the holiday house, given what dess was like
>>724989541>Toriel has yet to do anything wrongSkeletal fingers clacked out this post
>>724988894>IE, a nonsense strawman faggots came up withThere really are people like that out there, anon. I know a few. I don't mean people who hate faggots, I mean people who are obsessed with hating faggots. But if you've never observed the phenomena yourself I don't blame you for doubting it.I'll use a different analogy instead. Those people who hate furries. There are loads of people out there who make it their entire personality to hate furries, then a few years later you see them with a furry pfp casually posting about their waifurs. I'm sure some anons here have personal experience being that person.> The only prank he did that genuinely crossed the line was the ferris wheel bit, because that's genuinely a bit dangerous, but that was out of stupidity, not malice.I think hiding under her bed was worse. And you forget the fact that he did this, and kept doing it. He'd do it till she cried, then keep doing it, and would only stop after Dess beat him with a wiffle ball bat. To the point that Noelle developed an abuse fetish around it.> but not all of them are things he would actually consider doingBut they are still his ideas. I'm sure there are plenty of fucked up things that some part of you wants to do, even if every reasonable part would never let you do that. Like the occasional desire to murder someone because they pissed you off. Sure you wouldn't actually do it, nor would you seriously consider it, but some part of you wanted to do it. Kris wouldn't really hurt Noelle, nor would he seriously consider it, but some part of him wants to because he's a sadist. Sadism isn't some incredibly rare trait. Its a pretty common one. He doesn't even have to be a violent person to have sadistic desires.>He's not got a genuinely violent bone in his body.(you), Tenna, The Knight, and Spamton would beg to differ. He consciously dislikes violence and being violent, but once he's given a justification, a proper cassuc belli to cut loose he really cuts loose
>>724989541She divorced her husband. They even still had a kid at home.
>>724989103Those are both Kris's thoughts. His id wants him to proceed, to gratify his violent urges, while his conscience is begging you to stop.
>>724989114How?Realistically you can't crush Ralsusie, Kriselle, Suselle or Krusie anymore by making one of them canon. At worst it will continue to live on with fanarts and such.
>>724989425>not all but someBig fucking difference>>724989391>>724989778Oh man, Kris is desperately covering Noelle's mouth so what she's saying (which Kris already knows about) doesn't get "heard"Whoa, Noelle asked "Who's going to hear" and "Kris" said "Me" and the whole room suddenly turned fucking evil and Noelle starts pissing herself because A VOICE THAT IS NOT KRIS'S VOICE CAME OUT OF KRIS'S MOUTHWowee zowee, "Kris" is reading Noelle's mind and responding to her thoughts that they could not possibly know aboutGee fucking willickers, "Kris" just made Noelle cast Snowgrave while they were FUCKING UNCONCIOUSWHY WOULD KRIS DO THIS?!
>>724989541>"living her own life"For a married woman and a mother of two that really is, it also is for the queen of a country. It stops being "your life" once you get those kind of responsibilities.
>>724989541deeply transexual post straight from twitter
>>724989834you're asking the wrong questionwhat you should be asking is'why would chara make kris do this?'
>>724989784Suselle being canon would break these threads, making them unusable.
>>724989673So what's being projected onto Toriel then?
>>724989994People's bad moms/ex wives.
>>724989834>WHY WOULD KRIS DO THIS?!So did you just skip all the story bits where this is literally the exact kind of prank he's pulled on Noelle before? minus the mind reading
>>724990016
>>724989834>WHY WOULD KRIS DO THIS?!No, we did that. We just used him to do it. We exploited Kris's sadistic desires the same way we exploited Noelle's masochism and suggestibility. Both of these are traits that they already had, even if they were completely suppressed. We just stripped that suppression away and forced them to act on those desires.
>>724990091Did you just skip the whole story of Undertale and Deltarune where Toby Fox grabbed you by the ear and yelled "TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS ASSHOLE"
>>724990279
>>724990339What's your bullshit excuse for this one, chucklefuck?
>>724990058The great thing about arguments like these is that they're impossible to disprove without doxxing yourself.
>>724989707>There really are people like that out there, anon. I know a few.Nah it's a libtard meme>I think hiding under her bed was worse. Every kid did that. Or in a laundry pile or closet or whatever>and kept doing it. He'd do it till she cried, then keep doing it, She liked it. That's why she did it. She's always liked being afraid. It's because she's a deer. Do you think Dess would have let him keep being around her if he was actually hurting her?>I'm sure there are plenty of fucked up things that some part of you wants to do, That's still further than what the dialogue options are, which are just things that Kris could conceive of as an option that someone might do. No, I don' think that Kris secretly wants to fuck Berdly, for example. >because he's a sadistNo. If he were a sadist he would take the excuse to absolve himself of responsibility and run with it. Instead he hates and resists every moment of even the weird route, which isn't even actually hurting Noelle (at least for now). >(you), Tenna, The Knight, and Spamton would beg to differ. Tenna is an imaginary friend, he's working with the knight, Spamton is a dangerous schizo retard, and (you) are a cosmic demon.
>>724937863Noelle's crush on Susie is just a ploy to make Kris jealous and force their attention back to her. Same reason she keeps making dark worlds,.to remind Kris about their old relationship and what they lost when they stopped interacting with her.
>>724990339Kris has no sadist desires. You're just making shit up about him.
>>724990409Kris was either joking or has met Sans before since he had a save file before we started playing.
>>724990342>Did you just skip the whole story of Undertale and Deltarune where Toby Fox grabbed you by the ear and yelled "TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS ASSHOLE"Did you miss the part where he grabbed you by the ear and yelled "THIS IS JUST A VIDEO GAME ASSHOLE"?
>>724990553>>724987362
>>724990553All the details in the game beg to differ. He's constantly doing minor acts of sadism, and he can be made to do major acts of sadism. And ERAM plainly spells out that he is a sadist who enjoys being able to do fucked up shit.
>>724990553>>724990342>>724989834I like how (You) fags completely ignore that Kris used to do shit like put a 'haunted' pizza box on his head and chase Noelle around or hide under her bed to give her a childhood trauma of humans under the bed. The game literally spells this shit out for you and you just ignore it so you can screech "I KNOW WHAT TOBIAS WANTS MORE THAN THE GAME, SHUT THE FUCK UP ASSHOLE"
>>724990557>dude Kris is ACTUALLY a secret looper and he's specifically JUST using that to ask Sans questions that don't make ANY FUCKING SENSE for him to be asking instead of doing literally anything elseFuck off retard>>724990689That's right, it's a video game. And you're the one playing it.
>>724989934>these threads/v/ is decent at best. Losing the random threads with irregular lifespans wouldn't change much.
>>724987847KEKKYCHOKKYROOOOOO
>>724990797>Kris put a pizza box on their head when they were 8>so obviously they secretly WANT to RAPE AND MURDER THEIR FRIENDS nowKill yourself.
>>724987362>>724989834>remove the SOUL to drink some chocomilk? yep, but for Noelle?? nah bludYUP YUP Kris Dreemurr my heroit's deeper than that but still funny
>>724990696This doesn't call him a sadist.>>724990779No, he does minor acts of mischief. "Kris littered in front of Alphys that means he wants to stab people!", shut the fuck up>>724990797It's a harmless prank, doofus. If you think it indicates a genuine deep seated desire to cause real harm, you're fucking autistic.
>>724991096It's because he knows Noelle wants it
>>724990797>pulled a harmless prank on his friend when he was 8 years old therefore he's a serial killer
I just know this is the same faggot who kept posting "Noelle is an EVIL BITCH for doing the Genocide route in Dragon Blazers" and just pivoted to "CHARA- I mean KRIS is SECRETLY LE EVIL" because they weren't getting (You)sAre you happy now, faggot?
>>724990489>Every kid did that. Or in a laundry pile or closet or whateverNeither me, nor anyone I knew ever did that.>She liked it. That's why she did it.Yet Kris feeding into that isn't sadism? That sounds like a textbook sadomasochistic relationship to me.>Do you think Dess would have let him keep being around her if he was actually hurting her?I don't think Dess had much of a choice, their families forced them together and she was dating his brother. There was no keeping him away from Noelle.>No, I don' think that Kris secretly wants to fuck Berdly, for exampleI don't think he would either, but he would mock Berdly with the facetious idea of a date. One which Berdly would absolutely misrepresent as genuine interest. We know from the Sweepstakes that Kris loves antagonizing Berdly, likely since he doesn't have to feel bad about it because he's an asshole.> If he were a sadist he would take the excuse to absolve himself of responsibility and run with it.You seem to think its impossible for someone to dread or deny their own desires. Its not impossible, and its extremely common. Maybe you don't have things that you hate yourself for enjoying, but other people do.>which isn't even actually hurting Noelle Yes it is. Its made her into an open sadist and serial murderer in addition to being a willing puppet to (you).>Tenna is an imaginary friendWhich he's incredibly violent towards>he's working with the knightWhich he gets really into fighting>Spamton is a dangerous schizo retardWhich he pulls out x-slash for>Spamton is a dangerous schizo retardWhich he beats with a hockey stick and throws in a cageAnd they all have one thing in common. He can attack them without needing to feel shame or remorse. And given this opportunity, he does.
>>724991256I'm the one that insists (correctly, because I'm not retarded) that Chara was plainly evil, but obviously that doesn't apply to Kris. He's a hero, just a bit autistic.
THEORY: Noelle will see Susie kiss Kris at the festival and then it will be revealed that Deltarune was in fact the extremely long intro sequence to Hotline Miami 3, starring Noelle, and the first level will be the festival itself. Both games run on Gamemaker, coincidence? I THINK NOThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNE2oCZH_4k
I think that realistically there is a part of kris that enjoys the terrible things, just like how many people have thoughts or feelings deep inside that they aren't comfortable with or wont act on. I dont think this means he WANTS this shit to happen but its like when you get the urge to do something and you decide to not do it because everything else you feel goes against that. Kris is a teenager going through all sorts of crazy stuff. theres gotta be a deep down liberating feeling to acting on his darkest thoughts, while the entire rest of his psyche knows thats fucking crazy and tries to walk back everything you do in snowgrave.him being a little prankster doesn't mean he truly wants to murder fuck everyone.
>>724991096You're just proving our point, idiot.
>>724990923>dude Kris is ACTUALLY a secret looperIts hardly secret. He has a save file, which means he had complete control of the timeline before we arrived. This is a staple element of the series. He very well could have met Papyrus in a previous timeline we weren't present for.
>Kris is a violent sociopath because he seriously fights back against bosses trying to kill him
>>724991201>serial killer Kris or (Us) hasn't killed anyone. He doesn't have the urges to kill people, so we can't use those. He does, however, have the urge to beat the shit out of Berdly, so we can use those.
>>724991371Also everyone will have animal heads because they're monsters but Noelle as the protagonist will wear a human mask. By default you start with one made from Kris' face that she made herself complete with glitter and sequins to cover up the crude stitching but there will be others as well. Personally I've got my fingers crossed for the classic Nixon mask
>>724991496I don't come here to read your fanfiction, retard
>>724990923>That's right, it's a video game. And you're the one playing it.Man you are mentally unwell. Like did you crawl into crying fits over Spec Ops the line, too? You must be some kind of giga mouth breather to see this image and have some intense philosophical debate over it instead of realizing "It's a game and Toby is saying we accept our actions in the game".
>>724991042>so obviously they secretly WANT to RAPE AND MURDER THEIR FRIENDS nowKris has neither raped nor murdered everyone. You're one of the unstable schizophrenics who thinks the weird route is LITERALLY RAPE when it's not. Kill yourself, mentally ill brownoid.
I think Kris desires Noelle so that's why he doesn't really fight that much when you control him, and Noelle actually likes when Kris acts scaryThese two act as if they were divorced and thus wr can happen
>>724991110>It's a harmless prank, doofus.Yeah we're pranking her too.DoofusIt's funny to us.
>theyhe
>the deltatroon playerbase is not 100% mentally ill perverts
>>724991465The "intrusive thoughts" analogy is fine in a vacuum, but in practice all it's doing is shifting blame onto Kris for things that we make them do. Especially when all of the worst things you can make Kris do are when the game makes it abundantly clear beyond ANY reasonable doubt that YOU are in control and Kris DOES NOT WANT this to happen.
>>724991712NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND MAKING NOELLE SCARED IS LITERALLY THE WORST THING EVER TO KRIS!!! HE DOESN'T WANT THIS!! POOR WITTLE KRIS NEVER WANTED TO HARM A FLY!!!!>takes out a knife he just casually has around at all times >summons a dark fountainNO YOU DON'T GET IT WE DID THAT TOO!!!!
>>724991323>Neither me, nor anyone I knew ever did that.Not beating the autism accusations>Yet Kris feeding into that isn't sadism?It's not sadism. He's not hurting her, or allowing (you) to do so.>I don't think Dess had much of a choice, Of course she could. If Kris was a legitimate threat to Noelle or could have gotten her in real trouble, Dess would have told Carol and Kris would not be allowed near their family again.>I don't think he would either, but he would mock Berdly with the facetious idea of a date.You're headcanoning an excuse. The option was not presented ironically.>You seem to think its impossible for someone to dread or deny their own desires.It is. Either he wants to do it or he doesn't. It's one thing to publicly deny your own desires, it's another to refuse to do them in private and with no risk.>Yes it is.It isn't.>Its made her into an open sadist and serial murdererDarkners are not real. Berdly is, obviously, but he attacked first.>in addition to being a willing puppet to (you).She likes it>Which he's incredibly violent towardsAnd?>Which he gets really into fightingIt's a sparring match, they aren't actually trying to kill each other>Which he pulls out x-slash forYeah, because he's fucking dangerous>Which he beats with a hockey stick and throws in a cageBecause (you) are even more dangerous and freaky. Also he knows he can't actually hurt you in any way that matters
>>724991771>The "intrusive thoughts" analogy is fine in a vacuum, but in practice all it's doing is shifting blame onto Kris for things that we make them do.Shut the fuck up >>724987332>>724987362Play the fucking game before you shit up more of this fucking thread.
>>724991110>This doesn't call him a sadist.Yeah it does. I don't know how it could be any more clear than "Remember when you mind broke Noelle into murdering Berdly yesterday? I know you enjoyed it">"Kris littered in front of AlphysHe didn't do that. He heard Alphys was desperate for a drink, made that specific drink, then knowing about her social anxiety, walked right up in front of her, waited for her to ask for it, then drank it right in front of her while maintaining eye contact, and threw the empty cup on the floor. That was genuinely mean spirited.>that means he wants to stab peopleThat means he gets off on hurting people, not that he specifically wants to stab people. You can be a sadist without being a serial killer. (you)'re the one that turns him from a repressed deviant into a killer.
>>724991613You must be a seething little faggot to still be posting like this in these threads
>>724991846All of those things are really funny and Kris is based for doing it.
>>724991042He likes hurting Noelle and wants to have sex with her. If Kris had his way that would probably mean hair pulling, choking, and sex toys. (you)'re the one who turned it into a rape.
>>724991831Here's an analogy for you anonIf I fucked your mother in the ass until she came, there must be a part of her that liked itDoes that mean your mother wants me to fuck her in the ass?
>>724990343Imaging if instead of a pain in his chest it puts pressure on his prostate
>>724991771>but in practice all it's doing is shifting blame onto Kris for things that we make them do.no, what? I get that people try to forcibly argue that its all on kris but it seems more clear that we are taking advantage of those intrusive thoughts. its not a crime or a sin to have a terrible thought, to feel something thats not "ok", but when you have a metaphorical literal imp on your shoulder pushing you to actually act on those thoughts then its a whole different situation. it IS us, we are the one making this happen, but it makes it make sense when they say that he "enjoyed it" or however its worded, he's being taunted with the feeling of release you would get from acting on your impulses that we normally keep under control, while clearly struggling with it and showing in action that he does not ACTUALLY want this shit. getting into an argument with your brother and wanting to punch them in the face is normal if it gets heated, but even in the heat of an argument most people can control that impulse because we know thats not (normally) the right thing to do, kris appears however to have an "us" on his shoulder that sees that impulse and says "oh fuck yeah we're doing that"
>>724991724I agree! The weird route is not that big of a deal! Kris should stop being such a wuss
>>724991474okay meme answer asideIt's not like Kris is completely defenseless against our control, Kris can play an entire song in the piano with the Soul insideThe easy answer would be that Kris loses control in the weird route but the newer chapters show that Kris can somewhat manipulate your choices multiple times
what if chapter 7 will only be released in f95 and is just a rape noelle simulator haha that would be funny im not toby fox by the way
>>724991256Chara was evil (pre-genocide, she was a bateman tier psychopath whom Asriel had the misfortune to fall in love with). Noelle isn't evil, but she has a lot of fucked up desires and tendencies. She enjoys watching bad things happen, and making them happen, and likes the rush she gets from fear and horror. She also liked to torture her pets in Cat Petterz. None of this makes her evil, but it does mean she has similar traits to evil people and the capability to become evil, like she does in the weird route.Kris isn't evil (at least not for being a sadist, he might be from a utilitrian point of view depending on the specifics of the Roaring Knight plan), he's just got some dark personality traits. Ones that, once again, give him the capability to be evil.
Kris is like Leland Palmer from Twin Peaks. Leland for the most part didn't want to rape and kill his daughter and the women who reminded him of her but deep down the desire was there, and BOB possessing him gave him a way to act on that deep desire he had. Kris and the SOUL in the weird route are like that.
>>724991846>Remember when you mind broke Noelle into murdering Berdly yesterday?Didn't happen. Berdly attacked us>He heard Alphys was desperate for a drink, made that specific drink, then knowing about her social anxiety, walked right up in front of her, waited for her to ask for it, then drank it right in front of her while maintaining eye contact, and threw the empty cup on the floor. That was genuinely mean spirited.No, it's genuinely hilarious. It's a fucking drink>That means he gets off on hurting people, He doesn't. And Turdly is the only person who's been hurt in any path of the whole game
>>724991945No, he likes controlling and scaring her and fucking her. And she likes it too
>>724991572Its not there. You can see it when you interact with the first save point in chapter 1. At which point you overwrite it. This has been part of theory discourse for seven years.
I can't believe that Chara forced kid Kris to stop giving Noelle presents
>>724992101>kris appears however to have an "us" on his shoulder that sees that impulse and says "oh fuck yeah we're doing that"Except he does literally the opposite, and throws a tantrum and resists us every step of the way, because he's actually a softy and a hero, and just pretends to be edgy
>>724991501I never said he was a sociopath. All I said was that he is capable of being violent when he wants to be, and gets really into being violent when given the option to do so against people who either deserve it or whom he can't seriously hurt when doing so.
>>724992101>it seems more clear that we are taking advantage of those intrusive thoughtsThis is based on the idea "every time we make Kris do something it's taking advantage of something """some part of Kris"""" thought about doing"This pretense is demonstrably false, as there are multiple times where we tell Kris to act based on information which we have and that they cannot possibly know (eg. asking Sans about Papyrus without ever learning about him, responding to Noelle's thoughts because we can read her mind).Without the premise that all of our possible actions are somehow derived from Kris, there is no reason to attribute anything we make Kris do to what Kris wants.This is exactly what should be expected, because we're not playing as Kris and steering them in the right or wrong direction, we're a completely separate entity that has taken control of Kris's life.
Kris has spent years paralyzed by trauma and likely misplaced guilt over Dess. This causes them to distance themself from Noelle.Noelle, distraught from losing not just her sister but her best friend, begins to cope by acting as if everything is okay all the time, showing only momentary weakness and vulnerability when forced to acknowledge the truth like at the spelling bee.She focuses in on Susie because Susie focuses in on Kris. Her goal is to make it extremely obvious that she likes Susie to gain Kris' ire and win them back in a classic jealousy play.Then Noelle from some outside source like Friend, or even from past experience from what happened with Dess, learns how to make dark worlds and starts to do so in places she knows Kris will be or go to.First the classroom where she and Kris used to attend Gerson's lessons. While making the fountain she drops her house key, which becomes Starwalker in the dark world. She uses the chalk to bait Alphys into sending someone to the closet and then locks them inside.Second she tells Kris and Susie to meet her at the library, where she opens another fountain before Berdly arrives and tricks him into entering. The open closet in the computer room is likely to plant the idea that someone could hide in a closet for chapter 4. Important to note that this is the first appearance of Friend, and also the first dark world we see Noelle in. Should Noelle be the Knight, this means they always appear in the same dark world the other does.Next, Kris opens their fountain. If Friend is like Ralsei, it can likely sense when another fountain opens. It's also possible Kris just told Noelle that they would be opening a fountain after going out the bathroom window. ERAM knows things only Noelle should know and is accompanied by Friend.The church dark world is the most suspicious. Only someone that knew both that choir practice was cancelled and that Kris and Susie would be coming back later would be able to make that dark world safely.
>>724991768Makes sense, the cast are too
>>724992757>he doesyou quoted me describing what we do. everyone has negative feelings, even people that want to do good have these feelings, its why "imp on the shoulder" was coined as an expression. its just in the game we are there. we are the imp on his shoulder except we have the power to force his hand (to an unknown extent)
>>724992747I can't believe people are still defending Robert writing his characters to use the third-person plural pronoun when referring to a singular character, when the two characters are meant to be childhood friends so any waffling about "ambiguity" should be dismissed out of hand.
>>724991771No one is saying Kris is the one doing this shit. We're saying he is on some level enjoying it, even if he also hates it and is fighting against it.
>>724992991>everyone has negative feelings, That doesn't make him a secret wannabe serial killer you autistic psychopath
>250 replies just goes to show you how many tranny freaks there are on this website these daysi guess the anime-to-tranny pipeline was a real thing after all...
>>724992885>demonstrably falseI think its pretty clear we're bound in some way to his thoughts, the way he can throw us off by thinking about jockington eggs, the way "please dont" is so clearly him trying to get us to stop and it places out soul out of the way. the nudges about how he enjoyed things only make sense in the context I am discussing>>724993112I am not the person that said that you fuck. >>724991465in my first post up here I even ended it speaking against it. Kris is a teenager going through a lot, he has unsavory thoughts sometimes as even normal healthy people have, when we're not around he makes great effort to take back the effects of us forcing those feelings into reality
>>724993124you are 14 years old and black
>>724992715>Kris has a save file>Kris has no save file>Kris has three save files>all of these are valid starting conditions for the gameWhatever this was supposed to indicate, without any corroborating evidence at all (and in fact several major details going against the idea) or any sign that the power to SAVE in Deltarune has any significance to the story and setting like it did in Undertale (currently none) this might as well just be trivia
>>724991815>He's not hurting her, or allowing (you) to do so.He clearly was, even if only in a very minor way. He made her cry a lot.> If Kris was a legitimate threat to NoelleI'm not saying he was. Just that he did a lot of mean spirited stuff to her because he enjoyed doing that kind of stuff. None of it was a serious threat to either of them, it was just upsetting for Noelle.>The option was not presented ironically. That whole scene read as Kris fucking with Berdly and Berdly not getting it to me>It is.Now you're the autistic one. This may not be a thing for you, but plenty of people feel shame and self hatred over the shit they jack off to. Post nut clarity is a term for a reason. Hell, I did it for years. Sometimes I still finish, look at what I was just getting off to and think "what the fuck is wrong with me". >but he attacked first. He's also an idiot who didn't mean to hurt either of them, and was actively trying to help Noelle when she killed him.>Because (you) are even more dangerous and freaky. Also he knows he can't actually hurt you in any way that mattersYeah, that's my point. Kris has decided its okay to hurt (you) and those few others, so he takes out all his violent urges on (you) and those others. Proving that he does have violent urges.
>>724993328If saves are diegetic I wonder how Toby's going to explain chapter skipping. It implies the player isn't actually needed in the story and the fun gang can do everything themselves.
>>724993085>We're saying he is on some level enjoying it, even if he also hates it and is fighting against it.To what end? If the second part is true, what does the first part even mean? What does it mean for Kris?Why accept the Evil Cat From Hell's words at face value and uncritically repeat them as fact?
>>724954410Different anon, the artist is gooselycharmI'll see if I can get a direct link
It’s thanks to /co/ that I associate mean spirited with kafkaesque made-up nothing
>>724992898High iq post anon, Kris and Noelle relationship is genuinely deep that she would unironically do all of thatMemes aside, that Starwalker explanation would be kino
>>724992521Kris, stop posting and go to bed. You have school tomorrow.
>>724954410>>724993641https://gooselycharm.tumblr.com/post/723570107794833408/something-else-part-1-part-2-part-3
>>724992580Bondage gear and ball gags then. Maybe a collar and a leash (though he might want to switch out for that one)
>>724993282you wish, boyfucker
If I fuck you in the ass, but because I'm a gentleman I give you a reach-around until you cum, then some part of you enjoyed getting fucked in the ass.Does that mean you wanted me to fuck you in the ass?Still waiting for your response.
>>724992747why would chara do this?
>>724993638>To what end?To acknowledge that he and Noelle are freaks that are both perfect and the worst for each other, and prime prey for (you) to exploit. >Why accept the Evil Cat From Hell's wordsI think ERAM is the horn headband, and it was speaking to Kris from the point of view of his worst traits personified.
>>724993617>It implies the player isn't actually needed in the story and the fun gang can do everything themselves.that's gonna be a pretty hard thing to make diagetic unless it turns out the soul turning into a flashbang was kris' doing and not (Ours)
>>724993478>He made her cry a lot.She likes being scared>I'm not saying he was. Then who fucking cares? When you call someone a sadist, you're implying a desire to cause actual harm, not just to fuck with people. Especially in the context of Kris fucking with someone who he knows likes to be fucked with.>That whole scene read as Kris fucking with Berdly and Berdly not getting it to meNo, it reads like Toby putting in a fag pandering option but wisely deciding not to actually go through with it>but plenty of people feel shame and self hatred over the shit they jack off to.That's feeling shame over something that they did, not something they considered doing. Which doesn't even apply here, because Kris explicitly DOESN'T want it.>He's also an idiot who didn't mean to hurt either of them, In that moment, in that route, he was seriously trying to hurt Kris, and Noelle defended him.>Kris has decided its okay to hurt (you) and those few others, so he takes out all his violent urges on (you)No, not "violent urges". Each one of those were him either defending himself from an eminent threat or attacking someone who deserved it. Except for his fight with the knights, which was just a friendly duel and also a pretend fight to fool his friends.
>>724993328(you) are the same (you) from Undertale. So I don't see why saves wouldn't be diegetic. Especially not when determination has been named as a mechanic in this world just like in Undertale.
>>724993617the player is needed for the story to collect the shadow crystals
>>724994050>(you) are the same (you) from Undertale.No.
>>724994143why not? toby said deltarune is for people who has finished undertale
>>724993794If you like getting handjobs from dudes then you're a fag. Getting fucked in the ass is just a more extreme act of faggotry. So if you like doing gay shit then you are a fag.
>>724994143Too much stuff carries over for that to not be the case
>>724994143yes
>>724994181That doesn't mean the character is the same. In Undertale, what the player is diegetically isn't clear, but it's certainly not the SOUL, because that's Frisk's actual human soul. But in Deltarune, we actually ARE the red soul, which got summoned into their world through a demon ritual, probably
>>724985997He also thinks Noelle has a crush on him and has no idea how to let her down without hurting her feelings (of course he's wrong, but he's a bit stupid). So he's in a spot where he's reliant on her to help him study and also misunderstands their relationship in general. IIRC Berdly cares quite a bit for Noelle, in his own stupid way. Unless I'm misremembering he was going along with Queen's plan in Ch2 because he thought it was what Noelle would want.
>>724994258There is no narrative continuity at all.
despite everything, it’s still (ME)
I just want to have sex with Noelle tbqhwyf
>>724994013>She likes being scaredBecause of Kris scaring her so much. She developed a taste for it because of how much she was exposed to it in proximity to things she liked (her family and being comforted by her sister)>When you call someone a sadist, you're implying a desire to cause actual harmNo I'm not. A sadist is just someone who enjoys the pain of others. Fucking with people (at least the way Kris does it) is obviously a minor form of sadism.>That's feeling shame over something that they did, not something they considered doingThey feel shame and disgust over their desires, the fact that they get sexual arousal from weird and fucked up shit. Of course actually acting on those desires makes them feel worse, but they still feel shame for having them to begin with.>because Kris explicitly DOESN'T want it.He wants Noelle and wants to do sadistic things to her, but not in this way.
I actually think it’s interesting connection that Kris enjoys scaring Noelle, who admits she likes to be scared cause someone (i.e. Dess) would comfort her, but once Dess gets hit was a case of the Gaster’s Kris promptly cuts the prank behavior
>>724994483would you give her what she wants though?
>>724994523>Because of Kris scaring her so much.No, it's her nature. >No I'm not.Then you don't know what the word "sadist" means and you should kill yourself for wasting my fucking time.>They feel shame and disgust over their desires, the fact that they get sexual arousal from weird and fucked up shit. No, this is a meme you read about IN porn that has no bearing in real life.>He wants Noelle and wants to do sadistic things to her, No, he doesn't. He spooks her and fucks her on the couch and that's exactly what she wants too. It's a slightly quirky vanilla relationship whose only fucked up element is that Kris is being dragged around on puppet strings that Noelle misidentifies as being some sort of alternate personality.
>>724994371Except for (you) willing a genocide route into existence in chapter 2 or bringing the Undertale flee mechanic back in to Deltarune when doing the egg in chapter 3.
>>724969432damn carol really hates the lgbt
>>724994731>No, it's her nature.Then how come carol and rudy aren't like that?>No, this is a meme you read about IN porn that has no bearing in real lifeIts my personal experience and the experience of some of my friends
>>724994754>Except for (you) willing a genocide route into existence in chapter 2 Darkners Are Not People
>>724929871will never understand why this garbage is so popular here when it's so fucking full of reddit garbage
I hope my good friend Chara drops by to say hi. Kris and Ralsei have been rude to me so far.
>>724994860>Then how come carol and rudy aren't like that?We don't know much about Rudy>Its my personal experience and the experience of some of my friendsYou having autism and feeling guilty about choices you DIDN'T make is not common and does not describe most people
>>724994921Are monsters any better?
>>724994930The deer girl is hot and you can manipulate her
>>724995035dont do this it makes mustard
>>724994995They're one level more real yeah. But the more important distinction is that there's a big difference between wiping out all of the actual people in a setting and mopping up a bunch of imaginary echoes of people's memories in order to improve the abilities of one of the game's actual characters. One is unmitigated destruction for its own sake, the other is a slightly distasteful "hard path" to find an alternate solution to an in-universe problem.
>>724995220They're all equally fake to (you).
>>724994860>Then how come carol and rudy aren't like that?Unironic question?
>>724993827Chara has a soft spot for human/monster childhood friend romance.
I wonder how the outside argues about all of this, must be boring not being able to mention rape
>>724994860>Then how come carol and rudy aren't like that?It's Rudy's Knight side
>>724995282True, I'm just saying that the weird route is way more, "playing by the rules" than undertale's genocide route.
>>724995435The funny part is that there wasn't even rape. Well I guess Kris got raped. But whatever
>>724995356both
>>724995435I still wish I had that screencap of that tumblr post saying Kris was the most raped character in fiction.
>>724995613I'd say the weird route is breaking more rules since kill vs spare was the central mechanic of Undertale. The whole world was constructed around you having the ability to kill everyone if you wanted to. In Deltarune, the weird route feels like an exploit. You're doing something you shouldn't be able to do by exploiting an oversight in the game (the game being the dark world). The dark world is meant to be this safe place for fun adventures where nobody can get seriously hurt, but you break that by killing a bunch of enemies and then killing another player (Berdly) in real life(the light world).
What if Noelle also had a thornring to complete the marriage ritual faha>>724995808i think i saw it, it was about how almost everyone is grooming (non-sexual) Kris to do things, not just Carol
>>724996045I'm hoping it goes this way in game
>>724995117What's the origin of this image format?
>>724969828and he'd be right so...which minds didn't he change again?>>724965497ghoul post
>>724994050>(you) are the same (you) from Undertale. So I don't see why saves wouldn't be diegetic.They are, but it's in a fundamentally different way than in Undertale. You have three save files (incompatible with the implied 1 SOUL = 1 SAVE in Undertale) and you manage them in the meta-layer of the game which is a DEVICE set up by ______. The implication seems to be that Gaster is facilitating your SAVE files, which makes sense since he can also do things like pluck you out of the game and give you a checkpoint for the Knight fight.Deltarune has had absolutely none of the "deja vu" and the power to SAVE being a major part of the story like it was in Undertale, the most we get is being able to somehow carry over some items across save files (and also some extremely minor differences depending on your save slot). The most acknowledgement it gets has been Ralsei nudging you to SAVE once, which is about as much as you'd expect from any typical RPG.
>>724937863>"Remember all the time Dess dragged you to her room and molested you, Kris?">"What, you thought I didn't know? Don't be silly, I'm pretty sure everybody in the Holiday residence knew.">"Even as a little kid I probably knew more than I should have about that kind of thing, Carol and Rudy were pretty liberal like that.">"Besides, you know how thin the walls are between our rooms. I had to know something was up.">"Angel above, I remember how loud it tended to get.">"At first I was disturbed, horrified even. Why would my sister do something like this?">"But then, the more time passed... I started to become aroused.">"You have no idea how amazing I felt hearing you two go at it.">"Especially when you would beg for her to stop.">"...But you always enjoyed it in the end, didn't you?" >"I considered, many times, entering Dess room when you two were alone." >"Asking if I could join, if I could have my turn with you.">"But... I knew Dess would refuse.">"As messed up as she was, I think she on some level understood that what she did was wrong.">"If I tried to get involved, she would try to keep me out of it.">"Something about protecting my innocence. Silly, really, not much left to protect after a while.">"I guess you two really are a lot alike in that regard.">"Well, she's gone now. And you... I guess I can understand why you distanced yourself.">"I sometimes wondered if you hated me for what she did.">"But now... Now I finally know for sure how you really feel.">"And this time if i tried to have my turn with you, Dess wouldn't be around to tell me not to.">"Don't bother trying to escape. I've waited far too long to accept anything else.">"Feel free to beg though.">"That just makes it all the more nostalgic."
>>724996353Still, Kris has that Save file that you overwrite. So it has to mean something.
>>724996045>What if Noelle also had a thornring to complete the marriage ritual fahaI unironically believe this is going to happen in Chapter 5We get another ThornRing in the Flower World (which is how you can make the Twisted Sword without doing Snowgrave), Noelle makes a vow to You and puts the ring on Your finger, securing Kris as your new vessel.
I had a dream last night that chapter 5 was really bad
>>724991547GOTY>>724993724Anon delivered>>724996289It was from a couple of threads ago.
>>724996926It's over.
