Why did the Xillia remaster sell so much worse than Graces f? It's a vastly better game, with actually good characters and story, and prettier graphics to boot.
>>724937221is it? i heard graces has better gameplay
>>724937310Gameplay? It's an anime button masher.
>>724937357you arent helping your case of saying this one is better
>>724937221>It's a vastly better gameAlready wrong there.
>>724937472Nuh-uh.
>>724937516I hate that this brat is the best healer because both her JP and Eng voices are dogshit.
>>724937552>can't appreciate the ventriloquist lolishe's one of the best across the entire series
>>724937472can you at least substantiate your claim, why is this better than graces?
>>724937648Graces is like a sunday morning cartoon. This is for older teens/young adults.
>>724937695one isn't inherently better than the other though
>>724937648I was saying this is worse than Graces.>sound design is lacking>Ufotable>blatantly unfinished>tether system
>>724937221The problem lies with the egg itself and not the basket.
>>724937221>retards only remastered the first parthmm I wonder...
>>724937221No, Graces is the better game.
>>724937897It's a standalone story, the second game is more like a DLC pack no one asked for, just an asset flip.
>>724938026Xillia 2 is never getting a remaster. The director admitted the game was made to make want otakus to have children of their own but it made them want to fuck Elle instead, so it was a failure.
>>724937357>It's an anime button masher.Sounds like tales in general
>>724937221What's the point of just remastering one of the two games, stupid decision.
>>724938213...Anon. They outright said that X2 was in progress. And that two more entries were in the remaster process; the bigger question is if X2 is one of those two.
>>724938269They want money.
>>724938269See >>724938213Between that and the increase of the aoc it would make Japan disappear as a whole, this game can NOT be released anymore, it's too dangerous.
>>724937221lmao they ripped off Echoes of Wisdom, pathetic
>>724938213>The director admitted the game was made to make want otakus to have children of their own but it made them want to fuck Elle instead, so it was a failure.that sounds like bullshit, but I believe it
>>724938419I mean I didn't even know you were supposed to see Elle as a daughter myself.
€40 is too much for me to be willing to pay it over just digging out my ps3 and playing the original.
>>724938410Those badly drawn wanted signs existed ever since Symphonia, probably before you were even born.
>>724938474Did that many people have a ps3? Been looking forward to it myself since I haven't a owned a console since the ps1.
>>724938474PS3 drops frames really bad when you use mystic artes
>>724938534nah, you're wrong
>>724937221Graces has by far the worst cast in the series so I agree. Pascal is the only good and fun character in the entire game.
>>724938701Wrong.
>>724938538I personally had one but never heard about the xillia games and probably would've no-lifed 2 if I knew about it earlier
>>724938701based. i barely remember anything about my past graces f playthrough. incredibly dull characters
Graces was way better brochacho, I'd rather a terrible story and great gameplay than an all around mediocre game. Developing your characters in Graces was super fun, but the lame spider web skill tree in Xillia did nothing for me. Plus, Graces is one of the only Tales games where literally every character is fun to play as. Don't tell me you'd spend more than an hour as the loli or the old man in Xillia.That said, I never played Xillia 2 and will probably pick that up when they remaster it.
>>724937221Zero marketing, while Graces was plastered everywhere for a bit
>>724937221Xillia is unfinished and trash. Graces is the last good mainline game before Tales jumped from a cliff.
>>724937221It's a niche series, they overpriced it, and it's censored.
>>724939563>censoredoh no, my smoking pipe
>>724939563>incel having a meltdown because of fictional tits
>>724939563But it's uncensored, retard
>>724939563It's not censored.
>>724940139So since it's not censored are you going to have a melty as well?
>>724937221I never finished Graces f on my PS3. I vaguely remember that saving took for-fucking-ever so I rarely saved. Then I got to this endgame side quest with the small exploding robot who ended up wiping out like 2 hours of progress. Never touched it afterwards. Until the PC version, that is. Being able to save in like one second is super nice. But I still didn't manage to beat the f arc, I just got bored.For Xillia? I like both games but the second one is just more fun. And I don't feel like paying "full" price for a game that I bought more than a decade ago, especially when the second one is the actually fun one, gameplay-wise, while still being an asset flip.
>>724941258>Then I got to this endgame side quest with the small exploding robot who ended up wiping out like 2 hours of progressIt's hilarious that everyone got btfo'd by that, provided they were playing on decently high difficulties.
>>724937221When the villains are way more interesting than the party, you know you've fucked up. Xillia's cast just sort of suck. Half the playable cast or just Milla orbitors, they have basically no reason to be involved with the plot outside their romantic attraction to another party member, it's a worse FF12.
>Same concurrent players as a 4 year old game.Lol. Lmao even.
>>724938538PS3 is one of the best selling consoles. It outsold the 360 despite coming out a year later. If your American though it might make sense, as Xbox dominated the US, but every other region had PS outsell the Xbox.
>>724937221People wanted Xillia 2, not the shitty first one.
>>724941513Forgot pic.
>>724938264But what about that combo video someone made with 1hp damage passive against weak enemies who barely fight back and have no power armor in a situation that never really happens in normal gameplay??
>>724941804Why the fuck are so many people still playing Arise. Its an utterly boring game of an already niche franchise.
>>724941898Sunk cost for falling for the bait to buying that dogshit.
>>724941898It's on sale, 75% off right now. It's a nice game for a tenner.
>>724938264>BLAH BLAH BLAH TIDAL WAVE>DEMON FANG DEMON FANG DEMON FANGSorry, I can't hear you.>>724941898Because it looks pretty. That's it. It looks enough to appeal to the majority, unlike the rest of the series which looks really fucking old. Even for the time, Graces, Zetiria and Berseria looked like complete ass and only appealed to the fans. The only game that has aged slightly well (outside the 2d games, which normies don't like) is probably Vesperia, due to it's art style.
>>724938213You're a failure in lifehttps://www.gematsu.com/2025/10/tales-of-xillia-2-remaster-in-the-works-next-remastered-tales-of-title-to-be-announced-relatively-soon
>>724939563>censoredOH NO THEY HAD TO FOLLOW NEW JAPANESE LAWS RELATED TO SMOKING MINORS
>>724941898Most people buy games for the graphics.
>>724941898It has the best graphics. That's the reason for 90% of people. Practically no one gives a fuck about gameplay. I don't even really remember Xillia 1 gameplay. I think Jude or Jyde, in the German version, fucking lmao, was pretty fun to play, but that's it.
>>724942049>falling for obvious baitCome on, anon?
Who the fuck plays a Tales of game for the gameplay? Even the best gameplay we've had only reaches "fine". Play for the cast and character interactions. This is why Xillia flopped, who gives a fuck about Jude.
>>724941898Most people will not touch older games in a series until they're fully remade.
We need remasters of the games that never got translated. I don't know why Namco keeps dragging their feet with this especially since they have Elden Ring publisher money now.There's whole games people never played because it's stuck in Japanese on a console that had a retarded 3D mandate at the time.
So apart from the pipes, what else if anything else got censored? I'm actually curious. I'd also like to stop having to emulate the PS3 version. I have it on physical as well, but I'd like all PS3-era Tales games on PC as well at least.
>>724942302Because the older Tales of games have likely had their source code lost.
>>724942393Honestly this is likely the case.The Japanese are fucking notorious for overwriting or deleting source code.
>>724942226Me. Combat is way more satisfying than all Yakuza games or Kingdom Hearts not called KHII.
>>724942393They ported/remade Phantasia 5 times. Doubt that's a problem for that game.
>>724942393>>724942468And? That didn't stop Nintendo from emulating Majora's Mask on GameCube. They also still made a remake eventually. Point is they can do it they have the money and tech but they sit on their ass. It's not like this is AA Namco era. This is post Elden Ring Namco.
>>724942496>Yakuza gamesWho the fuck plays Yakuza for the fucking combat? Way to pick another game that combat isn't the focus. Next you'll say FGO I'm sure.
>>724942552No one cares about 2d games.
maybe because a lot of other good RPGs or RPG-like games came out recently?you only have so much time (and money) if you're an RPG enthusiast
>>724942557Post-Elden Ring Bandai Namco are still Bandai Namco, arbiters of of stupid fucking decisions and not giving appropriate budgets for projects.
>>724937221Why not X1 AND x
>>724942069Until someone actually posts the law in question, I am going to assume this is more bullshit like the "CERO banned pantyshots" myth that somehow keeps making the rounds despite being trivially disprovable.
>>724937221>It's a vastly better gamenot with that ending it isn't
>hearts r and innocence r on pcCUM ON NAMCO, i love that all tales game are coming out on steam man, i still remember that all we had were emulators and zesteria on steam, very grim
>>724941898it looks pretty and the combat feels good, cope and seethe
>>724941898It has a cute love story.
>>724937221i'd rather just wait for a sale honestly, this and graces would've been 20-30 bucks if it came out before 2020>>724942302assuming they didn't lose the source code, it's just easier to refurbish a ps360 game for modern screens over 3ds/psp/ps2 etc. gamesi hope to god they don't live by this because symphonia 2 is the last unported game that was in 720p
Playing it now. Why is it so boring?
>>724944958No, they still would have been 40+ bucks if they came out before 2020.
>>724944852It's just whatever. It's kinda there. I never thought that it's particularly good. The best part of the game is probably the finale where that other nigger just crashes into your final fight and you have to go at him with all of your super powers unlocked, now that shit was funApparently they also kinda mishandled the whole relationshit thing in the DLC campaign? I don't really know, I never bothered with it since it looked like they grossly mishandled everything about it.
>>724945131>Apparently they also kinda mishandled the whole relationshit thing in the DLC campaign? I don't really know, I never bothered with it since it looked like they grossly mishandled everything about it.Not really. Unless it's people malding about now getting the actual wedding (which was the credits of the base game anyway). Alphen and Shionne are an established couple in the DLC, with a sub plot being Alphen trying to secretly plan the wedding and trying to propose to her.
>>724945420*not.
>>724939563While they censored the pipe+beard, they also uncensored Agria's middle finger.
>>724943430Because money and because releasing the second game alone would be retarded. Xillia 2 is a direct continuation of Xillia 1, so.
arise was greatI like how it triggers the fags on r/jrpg and r/games because it depicts a heterosexual romance and weddingbased and white pilled
>>724937221>People learned about the censorship>The game didn't come bundled with Xillia 2
>>724942567You play for the story with that shitty writing, tourist-kun?
>>724946424>heterosexual marriagedestiny was almost 30 years ago you are very easily impressed and very new to the series
Which team wins the battle royale?
>>724942663Phantasia is always among Top 5~6 in all popularity polls.
>>724946445>People learned about the censorshipNo one cares about a pipe and mustache being turned into just a mustache except for 4chan contrarians.>The game didn't come bundled with Xillia 2But there's definitely actual people who care about that, and it's a fair complaint given how connected they are and how Xillia 2 uses like 90% of the X1's assets.
>>724946953No, Tales of tends to have shit stories bar one or two exceptions. I've already said (if you knew how to read) that I play the games for the casts and the skits.
>>724947239Talking about Yakuza. People play beat n' ups for the combat and gameplay.
>>724947368People don't play Yakuza for the story/combat, Yazuka has shit combat. People play Yakuza for the setting and world. Running around playing all the weird and wacky minigames like running a brothel or a housing empire. It's like saying people play Shenmue for the combat.
>Wingul in his powered state speaks in Melnics the made up language from Eternia >In Xillia 2 Ludger’s phone ringtone is Eternal Mind for EterniaI think someone on the Xillia dev team really liked Tales of Destiny 2 (EN)
>>724937221Tell you what anon. Sell me on this game and I'll buy it right now. Tell me the appeal points in a specific pointed fashion so I can grasp what makes it a desirable product. I've only played Berseria, so you can tell me why I should go for Xillia to continue my expedition with Tales.
>>724948206Milla hot
>>724948206>Shit plot>Shit characters>Blantantly unfinishedIt does have better combat though, not that that's saying much, seeing as Berseria had shit combat.>>724948318She's a worse Velvet, why play the beta test when you can have the good version.
Berseria stans are so retarded it's unreal
REEEE, why did only Velvet and Eizen get figures, I want Magilou and Eleanor, they are so cute.
>>724948361>better combatSnap Pivot simulator does not have better combat than other Tales games.
>>724948765Shota-fucker Magilou.Do wish we got a bit more on her about her mindbreak.
>>724946969White clears
>stans
>>724946969Jude is basically unhittable, so black.
>>724938701Graces cast in skits > every other Tales party> Graces cast in the actual story>>724949203if were going by game mechanics Asbel can parry everything
Tales tier list? Not a big fan of Berseria despite a lot of people putting it at the top. It meanders a little too much and pacing is so fucked.
>>724946969Cress says "I'm the best!!" Then he slices lodger in half with lincoln park in the bg. "Slow and steady wins the race"... these words echoed in lodger mind before he become dead...
>>724949562Cless*
>>724949412>Asbel can parry everythingHe can?
>>724938701hard disagree, in the skits and just the general interaction like combat special quotes everyone in Graces is so entertaining. I'm still surprised at how Malik is so good at interacting and playing off pretty much everyone in the party.
>>724949502>Meandering with fucked pacingBut that is every single Tales game? All of them pad the fuck out of act 2.
>>724949776He is cress because he doesn't settle for less... nice try lodger...
>>724949203Ludger can take on the entire Xillia cast on his own
>>724949808All characters can parry everything other than Blast Calibers (Mystic Artes) in that game with proper parry (dodge/sidestep) timing, even arena-wide magic spells.
>>724937221didn't it come out a couple days ago? how do you know it sold worse
>>724949865For Berseria it felt like nothing was happening and they're mostly waddling then when shit happens it goes at like 20x speed. its just plotpoint on plotpoint on plotpoint and im like holy fuck
>>724941898most recent game, why would there be any other explanation
>>724947503All wrong. Might as well just read visual novels of you can't appreciate the gameplay of Tales or anything else. Turbo retard.
>>724949502I might have to give it a replay at some point but the dealbreaker for me was the combat, I fucking despised Berseria's combat.
>>724950025It had a third of the max concurrent number of players, it's not a good look.
>>724949502Abyss > Vesperia > Xillia 2 > the restEternia is the best 2D one btw
I hate chart autists so much it's unreal
Someone has a playlist of the shit that happens on Millas path and not in Judes? Not playing through the game twice.
>>724950164what did all the other ones peak at?wait i can check that myself:zestiria 9696berseria 8085graces 3546vesperia 3450symphonia 1414xillia 1307okay yeah that does seem bad>>724950164>>724937221there was completely minimal buzz about xillia before it came out. I heard about graces f coming out like dozens of times in the leadup to its release. But xillia I heard was going to get rereleased like once and I assumed it was going to be in like late 2026, not nowSomething happened as far as cut-through on people talking about it and holding it in anticipation
>>724950470Just check the LP. It's pieced in separate pages from the actual Jude LP.
>>724937221Because the story is not interesting, Jude is a simp and Alvin betrays you, gets forgiven and he betrays you, gets forgiven, betrays you, gets forgiven, shoots Jude's sister, but he is okay with it.Can't remember any Tales game where i hated almost every character, Xillia 2 is where it's at.
>>724950860what lp?
>>724937221because the opening song reminds me of Breaking Benjamin's Until the end:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbJguDesi9ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4x-GJNmgVs
>>724950270>vesperia anywhere near abyss and xillia 2
>>724950134This opinion has never made an ounce of sense to me and I can only assume anyone actually retarded enough to utter it is the kind of retard who just never tries different characters and just used Velvet the whole time.
>>724951391He's only played 4 games, they have to be near each other.
>>724951281https://lparchive.org/Tales-of-Xillia/
>>724950270Vesperia is quite mediocre compared to xilia 2.
>>724951494I was kinda wanting videos, not a few screenshots and bad jokes summarizing it.
>>724951494I've forgotten about the LP Archives. Been a while since I've gone there.
>>724951680It's basically nothing and not worth looking into. Jude is more of a fool and gets knocked on his ass instead of catching the arrow in that one cutscene, and you are introduced to Muzet earlier and lore dumped sooner in Milla's route.
>>724947194>No one cares about a pipe and mustache being turned into just a mustache except for 4chan contrarians.It's not so much as what was censored from the game that angers the players and turns them away from buying the product. It's just the fact that they censored something at all. People don't like censorship in any way, shape or form no matter how small or insignificant the change might be, people just want remasters to stay true to t he original. If they decide to remake the entire game, then that's a different story where major changes are bound to happen most of the time.
>>724952572I got bad news for you anon, every single re-release of any game ever has changed or censored something
>>724937221Its an unfinished 7/10 game at best. An incredibly mediocre Tales game compared to the heights of Symphonia, Abyss, Vesperia and Graces.Xillia 2 is a better game at least.
>>724952825Xillia was a huge let down to me in the early 10's as well, especially after playing Phantasia, Eternia, Symphonia, Abyss, Vesperia and Graces.Game was so incomplete and weak.
>>724952727This is not true in the slightest. It's just these shitty DEI-addled modern companies that view every remake/remaster as an opportunity to correct some "shameful" thing that doesn't align with their current shareholders' ideologies.
>>724953376There has been plenty of games from the 90s and 2000s that get re-released and end up cutting out stuff or changing entire scenes because of console rating or not wanting to offend people
>>724953376>can't help but mention DEIAre you american or just a woman? Grow a pair.
>>724951441I have played Phantasia PSX, Destiny PSX, Eternia, Symphonia, Rebirth, Abyss, Innocence DS, Vesperia, Graces, Xillia, Xillia 2 and Zestiria thoughever>>724951598Nah
>>724953618Far less than today, and it wasn't okay when they did it either. Why are you so desperate to defend corporations serving you an inferior product? I swear to God nu-"gamers" are among the worst consoomtards on the planet? Why can't you fuckers stop rewarding shitty behavior for one fucking second?>>724954020Until the problem is corrected, it will continue to be mentioned.
>>724952825>Heights>Graces
>>724954126>MUH consoom!Go outside, touch grass and get over yourself
>>724952825>trying to sneak Graces in alongside Symphonia, Abyss and Vesperialmao
>>724952825>Graces>High
>>724937310This meme is why.
First time playing Xillia here. I can see why people praise the combat so much, it already feels better than Vesperia and I'm only 10 hours in, just unlocked mirage step and I'm dodging shit left and right and comboing all over. Is xillia 2 really that much of an upgrade? Hard to imagine.
>>724937310Graces is better. It has the best battle system in tales history.If it wasn't censored I would enjoy it more. Xillia 1 is the Xenoblade 2 of the franchise.
>>724952825>Xillia 2 is a better game at least.I don't believe anyone that says xillia 2 is better. Yes it's combat is more refined, but the story in xillia 2 is absolute dogshit. Silent protagonist, gated progression around repaying a loan, revisiting the same places you've been to before with no exploration.
>>724954493It's mostly the same combat as the first game but more refined
>>724954573>filtered by the silent protagonist and debt systemLudger is a great MC, and some day retards will figure out not being able to hear someone's voice doesn't mean they don't have a personality (unless you're autistic, normie, a speedrunner, or all of the above)
Maybe don't release two remasters in the same year.
>>724954493More refined and the MC is a blast to play as.
Playing through the Aball return section in Berseria right now, and it's honestly painful how young, happy and excited Velvet is throughout this whole section. Everytime she opens her mouth I jsut feel bad because it's obviously all a trap, but I'm surprised at how much hearing Velvet like this is unironically upsetting me.
Imagine>story on Abyss's level>graphics of Arise>gameplay of xillia 2>characters of berseria>content of vesperiaImagine...
>>724942351No they actually uncensored things like Agria's middle finger. It's less censored than the original release.
I should replay Eternia sometime, but it's such a pity it has stuff missing.
>>724954493It has the best combat in the franchise, period. Graces-fags could never.https://youtu.be/hqrZoVG2zSE?t=25
>>724954754Thanks for remain me to finish bersaria, i stopped like 2 dungeons before the final boss, I think it was because I got bored of the combat, also I remember exploring the snow zones and not finding anything lol
>>724952825>unfinished>>724953191I keep seeing this. I played Xillia a few times on PS3 and didn't notice anything unfinished, unless I just forgot. For some reason I never remember much from Tales games, I think because it's not as referenced as other JRPGs.Why's it considered incomplete?
>>724954713The problem with silent protagonists isn't their lack of voice. It's that they barely talk. They're mostly passive to the story happening around them needing other characters to carry the story.
>>724937221This is my first time playing Xillia but is Millia's EN VA's mic really just inferior compared to everyone elses? I'm having a hard time hearing her lines.
>>724954995>I played Xillia a few times on PS3 and didn't notice anything unfinishedAnon... the second world being like 2 zones max? it still make me seethe to this day.
>>724954995People just point to it being the one major mainline title to not feature a cameo battle, how some characters like Leia seem to have unfinished movesets (she's amazing in X2) and how Elympios after the big reveal is rushed. Keep in mind, you might count with one hand how many Tales *don't* have a rushed Act 3.
>>724954947Looks stiff.And that is some dogshit background music choice.
>>724954713Ludger... had a hard life...
>>724954947>donguribased
>>724954549>It has the best battle system in tales history.It is very good, but no one would say it's the best. It does CC cycling better than its predecessors, but Destiny has a far more free-flowing combat system. Zestiria expands on Graces's arte tree system by letting you skip arte tiers and letting reserve members switch in mid-combo, and Berseria allows you to freely customize the arte tree.Granted, Graces has Accel Mode, which is one of the best gimmicks in the series.
>>724954947Should've remastered both at the same time, need to replay 2 asap
>>724955020>finish game and enter NG+>now they decide to have him voice the choices you makeI never understood why they didn't just have the fucking lines to start with.
It continued with the horrible iron stance mechanic that made every boss an unfun slog which is a shame because the normal battles can be quite fun. They did a good job of fixing this in xillia 2 at least. Every Tales fan left now is a pedophile third worlder, so it's for the best this series is dead as they don't deserve nice things.
>>724955528Le spoilers when he and Victor are on-screen and talking.
>>724955509They are, technically. Different developers are handling each of the remasters and they're just releasing them as they finish. X2 is next.>>724955528So you don't start questioning why the main character and a villain have the same voice
>>724955656>>724955680Ah right, forgot about that.
>>724955656>>724955680People keep saying this yet the devs outright confirmed in the official guide that wasn't the reason and that they 100% expected the players to realize Victor was Ludger. The stage doesn't even try to make it a mystery.
>>724941898because outside of the circlejerk on 4chan. the only actual problem with arise are the bosses made out of tungsten
>>724955819Would've made more sense than whatever the devs came up with for the excuse.
>>724954493Three more characters and the original cast has an expanded moveset and skills.
>>724955819So what was the reason then?
>>724954798>Zestiria took 3 years and was a nothing burger>Arise took 5They don't care, sadly.
>>724955161Yeah, it was noticeable back on PS3 too. Really accentuates her lisp. It's much better on Xillia 2.
>>724955161That's always been the case, there's been a entire meme about her mic being so poor sounding it sounds like a lisp since the original PS3 release
>>724937357How did agria got alive in Xillia 2 ?
>>724956419It was a microphone issue. You can tell because its the same actress for Milla in 2 and you dont hear the lisp.
>>724949839Same. I loved this cast. Only annoying part was Richard getting mind controlled. Mind control is always lame in any story.
>>724955161When I came back to the game a second time I tried to play through as Milla. But she sounded too shit, and I don't like playing video games in Japanese otherwise I miss off-hand dialogue during combat and stuff. So I played as Jude again, I'm sure Alvin's extra bits are more interesting than whatever Milla's playthrough replaces them with anyway.
>>724954995Look at the fields and caves of the game,It's always the same cheap beta scenarios recycled over and over. There are 3 in-game unlockable costumes.The second "world" has one town in the original game and a few roads, and also yes the lack of a Cameo Fight.
>>724956624>I'm sure Alvin's extra bits are more interesting than whatever Milla's playthrough replaces them with anywayThey are.For Milla's route, she talks to Muzet, has to travel alone, and then has to solo Muzet before coming back. That's pretty much it.
>>724946969Black isn't worth shit.Blonde has both Cress and Milla.Blue is boned.Brown pretty much is just Lloyd.Red has Ruca and Luke.White has Ludger.Ludger is hard countered by the Eternal Sword and Luke required Asch to do any of his largest feats. So it comes down to Cress and Milla vs Lloyd vs Ruca. I give Lloyd an edge over Cress overall, but Milla as support gives him a clear advantage and Ruca isn't beating both either. So Blonde wins.
>>724955984>>724956335They simply liked the idea of a silent character players could somewhat self-insert into the choices they made and thus shape their understanding of the character, and to make the scene at the end right before you sacrifice Julius where you see Fractured Ludger talk hit harder.
>>724956483She isn't, it's a Fractured Dimension
>>724956789>RucaYou mean Reid, right???
>>724956789>I give Lloyd an edge over Cress overallLloyd is reliant on an exsphere.Cless is not.
Reminder Xillia 2 will be rated Cero Z / Pegi 18
>>724956789>I give Lloyd an edge over Cress overall,The only problem is that Lloyd's skills mostly come from his uber exsphere, Cress is almost entirely all natural (if you remove the eternal sword factor) he whoops Lloyd
>>724956868Yeah, my bad with that one.>>724956946Lloyd had much better feats in Symphonia than Cress ever had in his game. An exsphere mainly just brings out your full potential and Lloyd at that level is superior to Cress at the level he showed.
>>724957024Well, the game does have little kids dead in pools of their own blood in a couple stages so...
>>724956789Ruca is stronger than most protagonists. He's just an easily bullied and gaslit shut in.In that group, it would be down to Cress, Milla, Ludger, Lloyd, Ruca and Reid. Luke's Hyperresonance doesnt work on non fonons so he's out of the running.I'd also say that Cress is a better swordsman than Lloyd (and most protagonists in general) given that he does all of his barring the Spacetime shit by himself with no magic plot boosters.
>>724957024Good
>>724937552Leia's similar to Natalia from Abyss in that she can basically be the healer for your party with the right setup. Elise is nice to have in the same party as a general spellcaster.
>>724957140>Cress is a better swordsman than LloydCress never beat someone on the level of Kratos 1v1.
>>724957181Natalia is the actual best healer in Abyss because Healing Circle and Revitalize take too long to come out compared to her just shitting out Carmine Core boosted Heals.
>>724957280Cress soloed Odin.
>>724957389Kratos could do the same, which is why his life protected Odin.
>>724957301Yes but Tear's my wife so checkmate
>>724957123I still think theres a chance they will censor this. They might got away with this in 2011 but not nowadays
>>724957301>>724957432It's ideal to use both in the same party because Tear's fucking insane damage if Natalia focuses on healing.
>>724957420Origin*And I don't recall Kratos being able to do any of that. Also, I thought he just wanted to commit suicide by proxy in that 1v1.
>>724956836>"I'd want to protect a little girl more than a little boy"based sexist pedophile
>>724957553It makes no sense for Mithos to have the seal protected by Kratos' life and ability if Origin himself was stronger. Kratos was meant to be an impassable wall and he didn't hold back in the fight with Lloyd.
>>724957432Extremely based
>>724957452If they do censor that, I have to wonder what Abyss Remastered is going to do about that one scene in Akzeriuth. Would they just cut the entire scene out? The scene's not as memorable or intense if they just replace the model with a generic NPC.
>>724937516ToT
>>724957301>Natalia is the actual best healerAt the cost of being the worst bitch damage wise, I'll take Tear any day just to have Holy Lance shitting out loads of damage with the occasional heals. And Abyss is not even that hard for you to actually need Natalia healing your ass nonstop so who gives a fuck.
>>724957420>>724957553Odin doesnt appear in Symphonia. The entire point of the duel was to see if Lloyd was capable enough to wield the ES for good and to get Kratos to undo the seal blocking access to Origin.
>>724957745Best team was Guy (Asch if you cheat), Anise, Tear w/ Pendent, and Natalia. Jade sucked ass and Luke was the worst front-liner.
>>724938534This. Zoomer dumbfuck.
>>724957745Tear stopping to cast any hymn is a big damage loss since it locks her down massively. Natalia exists to alleviate that stress so Tear/Anise can vomit FoFs all over the field while your PC stalls the boss.>>724957806Jade has fights where he's situationally better for the 4th slot.
>>724958003Turn off all the bad spells on Tear when you use her.
>>724957659The point of sealing Origin with Kratos is that Mithos knew that Kratos was almost impossible to beat in setting, so it didnt matter if Origin was stronger than Kratos. Its just to stop others from getting his aid
I've always liked Leia's legs.
>>724958072Obviously. Its just that if Tear is ST healing, you should just cut the middleman and run the better healer.
>>724958123>almost impossible to beat in settingWhich only matters if he's so impossible it's safer than Origin protecting himself. Which is why he did it, unlike every other summon spirit with no similar protection provided. I don't appoint a guardian to a force stronger than said guardian.
>>724958250You run both with Tear as a DPS and Natalia as the healer.
>>724957806>Jade sucked assJust say you suck at the game or you're just a Natalia fag because I never needed to use her once. I don't care about your "optimal" setup when I can just have Jade, Tear and Anise shitting out spells nonstop to stunlock bosses, tell me one good thing Natalia will do when she is not needed for healing unless you want to tell me sharpness will carry her nonexistent damage.
>>724958263Kratos cannot be stronger than Origin. It makes 0 sense in setting or based on Origin's known feats and hierachy among the spirits.
>>724958246
>>724958345nta and I prefer Jade miles over Natalia but his spells tend to frequently knock down the enemies instead of keeping them combo-locked which Natalia can do with Gallant Barrage and other stuff. I think that's why people prefer Anise over him too since her Bloody Howling is a concentrated AOE with multiple hits + FOF spawn + no knockdown.
>>724958472Jude was so lucky
>>724958472>>724958668*gets shot*
>>724958340Obviously, why do you think I said "cut out the middleman" and just run Natalia to heal in any fight that needs it?
>>724958635Jade is actually kind of underpowered. For example, Limited (the first spell that Anise learns) is stronger than his entire fucking kit before like Level 28.
>>724937221The only good tales game is symphonia
>>724958705*forgives her shooter*
>>724958635That's why you just turn everything off him except for prism sword, absolute etc. Just like how you turn everything off Anise but bloody howling, it's that easy, he is a million times better than Natalia's shitty ai trying to do anything there.
>>724958906This is still insane for happening at all but it's a Tales game so whatever.
>>724958668True.>>724958705>Gets shot>Gets along even better with the one who shot her It was that easy
>>724958845Damn.
>>724958870...said no one ever, unless they played it when they were 10 as a GameCube kid
>>724958945>>724958906Yeah, but that's in X2. I don't remember if she willingly talks to him again in X1 outside of battle.
>>724958668I'd choose her over Milla.
I didn't mind and really enjoyed Dawn of the New World.
>>724958937Jade is still worse than Natalia.
>>724959094>you'll never inheirt her parents' inn and live a quiet village life pumping seven kids into her and growind old and happy togetherWhy even fucking keep on living in this gay planet I swear to fuck
>>724959124Same.
>>724959094Me too
>>724954995>>724955210I mean, the director has flat out said the game was unfinished. I suspect an entire act was cut seeing as Muzet and Gaius were supposed to be playable, which obviously wouldn't make sense with the way the game ended.
I still need to go back to it. Proably gonna start a new savefile when the time comes.I stopped not too long after Zelos joins the party. seeing it just wasn't going to click with me.I don't like the visuals (from the chibi models to super cartoony and bright fields), the japanese dub is low quality (each voiceline has weird mic static accompanying it and the voicelines themselves sound like they were recorded with a low quality mic), the combat felt clunky too.Characters and story were fine, but yeah, it feels like a meh inbetween 2D and 3D tales despite being a 3D title itself.
>>724959529Xillia was unfinished (just like many others).
>>724957704Only game that had a censored death was Berseria. Why would anything else be the same?
How can Leia be so precious
>>724954573I genuinely felt more sympathy and affinity for Ludger than anything for Milla or Jude. His entire story is designed to make the player relate to his tortured life and absurd unending sequence of bad luck struggling through everything.Jude is fucking fun as hell to play as, but as a protagonist he is milquetoast boring.
>Milla this>Leia thatElize is right there and canonically is also in love with Jude because he's a shit Mary Sue.Should have brought back Symphonia's romance options.
>>724954151>>724954231>>724954256There is more content in Graces f than Xillia and i am tired of pretending otherwise. The story is definitely weaker and the cast is maudlin, but everything else is just generally better in every respect.Pic related i find to be incredibly polished and gorgeous looking for a Tales title. But i could never bring myself to ever play it a second time due to how completely mediocre it is in every other respect.
>>724960098He spends 75% of the game only being around because he wants to fuck Milla, it's an awful trait for a protagonist to have. Half the Xillia cast is only there because you need party members, it's such a half assed game.
>>724960409If I want content I go Vesperia. Graces' cast and setting is just so godamn BOOOOOOOOOOOORING and milquetoast. In a series known for looking and employing plenty of anime cliches, Graces is somehow the most "power of friendship" anime of them all. I LOATHE Asbel.
>>724954493Playing as Jude endgame is PEAK Tales combat. Snap Pivot is honestly the greatest Monk action ever created and it features ONLY in Xillia.
>>724960447I'd argue ko-shing is pretty much Jude done better, 90 percent of his motivation is just wanting to fuck kohaku but he's still funny and has some other things going for him
>>724960970Shing's dumb as a bag of rocks. His only saving grace is that his crush has a brother who's banging a rock.
>>724944538It's not that bad but in a addition to the enemies being hard to stagger the arte animations are too fucking long, especially playing as Law feels painful.Now compare Law to Jude, by the time Law finishes his long ass Talon Storm Jude has used Talon Storm->Cerberus Strike->Aqua Sweep->Steel->Flame Ring w/Milla.
>>724961103>he doesn't want to bang a rock
Magilou is so deliciously flat. I love her.
>>724961169I do, and Hisui is the greatest man in all of Tales for it.As the young kids would say, he won bigly.
>>724960970Eh i'd say Shing is more similar to Alphen than Jude. Or maybe Alphen is adult version of Shing because his game came later.
>>724960304Elize cannot be an option because she fucking deep tongue kisses everyone using Teepo, including Gaius.
>>724937221censored slop
>>724961668What a slut
>>724954549>Xillia 1 is the Xenoblade 2 of the franchise.Based
>>724961668>yfw connecting Elize's sensations to Teepo>yfw using Teepo as an onaholeImagine...
I absolutely loved tales of growing up, i played symphonia, abyss and xilla so much. I also completely moved on from it, the rate in which new games come out severely slowed down, also after vesperia it felt like Namco delegated it to a low budget series. Graces f doesn’t have an overworld and reuses so many areas and environments. The series feels like it lost a good chunk of its audience and they wont be able to follow up arises success
>>724938213i choose to believe this because its funnyi loved agria the most tho
MMMMMMMALRIGHT HERE YOU GO
>>724941898I think it's alright.The only serious problems I found with it are that the music is mostly forgettable (except for that superb theme in Niesz) and that the last dungeon is ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT. Holy fuck, it is bad, made a solid 8/10 game a 7/10 instead.
>>724957024Will they uncensor the scene where Elle calls you a lolicon>?
>>724961698It's fully uncensored.
>>724962686Is Elize schizo and venting all her intrusive thoughts through Teepo? Or is that thing haunted and going to try and eat her someday.
>>724963183>Who was easy to write?>Honestly, Teepo. Teepo’s expressing natural reactions to situations. When there’s a scary scene, Teepo is scared. It’s simple. His actress, Haruna Ikezawa, built the atmosphere really well. We could truly see that once the scenes were done.>Teepo expresses Elize’s feelings, right?>Yes. But the voice direction insisted that he was also his own character. Teepo exagerates things, which makes him say things that Elize is not thinking. So unfortunately, I don’t think he’s just expressing Elize’s feelings. For example, if Elize thinks “I’m thirsty,” Teepo would say “I wanna drink a beer!” He exagerates things like that. Elize has a certain darkness characteristic of children. Young children can sometimes say cruel things. Teepo is an extension of that. For example, on Milla’s side, there’s a scene where Milla shows them a glass ball that has special meaning to her. When he sees it, Teepo says “It’s just a boring glass ball.” Elize didn’t say it herself, but she thought it. That’s the role we gave Teepo. But because of him, Elize has less lines. We had to find a balance, like: “If there’s three lines, it’ll be Teepo-Teepo-Elize”. Teepo also represents how people can say anything when they are anonymous on the internet. That’s why Elize had to let him go if she wanted to start using her own words. I was often asked if it was a good idea to make Elize put him away, but I personally think of him as a gimmick. Elize wouldn’t have been able to become an adult if she had kept him.
>>724960447Jude spends 99% of Xillia being a pushover and simp of Milla, Leia spends her whole arc being a simp of Jude. Alvin betrays the party every 3hrs and Elise is a freaking kid. Xillia 2 was an improvement, at least the characters finally had their own agenda.
>>724963370>teepo is anonMy god
>>724963183>>724963370Teepo is a mess of a plot twist and they really don't do enough with him and the reveal. Shouldn't have made him exist purely for boob jokes.
>>724963175no, it's not, stop lying
>>724963497But we don't have our loli companion...
>>724963550>muh pipeJump off a cliff.
>>724960646Change Vesperia with Graces and still works. If Graces has the most dumb cliche friendship story, Vesperia had the most boring and slow as molasses one carried entirely by Yuri, and still never gets good.
>>724963652>n-no, listen, that one doesn't countcensorship is censorship, it doesn't have to be gooner stuff only
>>724963812Yes it does. Fuck your retarded pipe.
>>724963812>muh pipe
>>724963370>>724963545I can only imagine the Xillia 1 cast side eyeing Elize when she showed up with Teepo again in the second game. Still using the puppet, are we? While Leia covers her chest preemptively. Ludger and Elle probably think Teepo is great, they seem dorks that way.
>been almost a year since I played Graces F>never did the post-game because of burn out and figured I'd get back to it at some point>now feel if I go back to it I'll have forgotten all the character moves and combosI wish I had the autism gene that lets people no-life games to 100% on release
>>724963886>>724963897retards
>>724963183In the first game they said teepo IS Elize, it's basically her thoughts unfiltered 2 made it so that teppo is more of his own thing I think it's weird but I guess making the loil character a massive pervert was a little too much even for Tales
>>724938213All I got was you want to fuck your brother and screw the world.
I feel like aside from symphonia, abyss, and maybe vesperia, tales of has had the harshest reality check for me. I replayed most of the games thinking “wow most of this isnt very good”.
>>724964036They already retconned her putting it away after X1. If not, it'll probably retread the same events but with everyone from the X1 team going "Yeah, that's pretty much it" and then her putting it away again but for X2's ending this time.
>>724964054I hate fujos so much it's unreal
>>724955528The re-release will likely let you have his voice active to begin with. It was a really poor way to hide a twist.
>>724964183For tales to live, they need to make it a full fujo game.
>>724964283Learn to read
>>724955653Xillia 2's power combo system is so addictive. Giving you a really good reason to try and extend a combo as long as possible instantly made the gameplay much better. It should be a series staple.
>>724960739Nier replicant added a snap pivot too. You press toward an enemy and hit x and Nier will swooce around to the back.
We need more Yuri in the next Tales of, it's the only way. And not the Bait of the Vestiria DLC, I want full on lesbian kissing.
>>724964562>We need more Yuri in the next Tales ofSay no more
>>724964673this but unironically Only Yuri can save tales
>Xillia ends with Spirit Climes clearing>Fennmont looks normal now>Elize leaves Teepo in a chestYou won't convince me that Xillia didn't happen in a Fractured Dimension.
>>724964725So popular he's banned from official polling. Like the only time Japs don't show off their shit taste, like having the Blue Twink from Zestiria being the second most popular Tales of character,
>>724958906First guy to pay her attention after Jude continuously rejected her.The cute rowdy tomboy neighbor will never win the mcbowl.
>>724960304Based on subtext in the xillia 2 hotspring joke ending, Elize is a horny little shit who wants ALL the boys inside her at once.
>>724963183IIRC Teepo was just supposed to be Elize's real unfiltered thoughts. So yeah beneath the nice girl is a bad bitch who's horny and lewd as fuck. Apparently it got retconned in Xilia 2, but I never finished it to find out.
>>724964374You first, that anon is right. These remasters are giving free Grade right off the bat, so unlocked voice will happen nonetheless.
>>724960739Snap Pivot really made Jude the funnest martial arts character in the entire franchise. It singlehandedly made Xilia 1 bearable.
>>724964374Both Graces and Xillia remasters treat the game as if it's in NG+ in regards to the grade. XIllia 2 will be the same.
>>724964374Read the post again and then read it slowly.
>>724937221>arise director said arise did damage to the brand>cue this never happened fags>every remaster sells worse & worse as they shove their faggy nu censorship and le bandai is for everyone sensibilities into themLol, lmao even
>>724958906Weirdest ship in Tales history
>>724965602Not seeing how Arise is related to shit remasters selling shit.
>>724965602>arise director said arise did damage to the brandSource
>>724963545I haven't gotten to the reveal yet in Remastered, but I remember the story getting over it REALLY fast, like it skipped a few major scenes.
>>724957054>The only problem is that Lloyd's skills mostly come from his uber exsphereExspheres just tap the innate potential their bearer already had. They do so by pulling out to the surface the body's own mana and manifesting it as power. This is why using one without a key crest is dangerous: the key crest is made of a special ore which inhibits an exsphere from reaching lethal levels of preying on its host like the parasite it is, and actually sucking up the mana. (Which is what it is intended to do, to cultivate itself into a cruxis crystal.)
>>724966034After the reveal, her and Teepo both snap at Leia, who gets upset, then they apologise. That's the entire reveal, a complete waste of a decent character trait.
>>724957054>>724966210 (cont)Or to put that bluntly, Llyod as he is at the end of his recorded adventures quite possibly could be even stronger than he realizes. Because his exsphere might actually be holding him back. The more energy it taps, the more it still siphens regardless of the key crest mitigating the effect of it being able to do so. If he'd learn how to bring his strength to fore under his own power rather than lean on the sphere as a crutch, he'd basically be able to pull off the "i'm not left-handed"-meme.
>>724964994No, she is a good girl.
>>724965602>>arise director said arise did damage to the brandIsn't it literally the best selling Tales game?
>>724937221Beat it on the emulator last year, barely remember anything. Milla was a god, until she wasn't? The shy loli was a huge pervert all along. Alvin betrays the party like 10 times and is always forgiven, even after shooting someone. There's a second world, but it's literally 1 town + 1 field + 1 dungeon, basically the exact same plot twist/structure as Arise. Don't remember anything about Gaius, the Chimeriad and Muzet, not sure what their arc was, just building the cannon that opens the portal to the other world, I guess? Very standard Tales game, virtually everything is a recurring trope.
>>724963942>muh pipeFuck off, uncensored.
Graces was shit and mocked and reviled on /v/ on release. Interesting to see the zoomies growing up and now considering it a classic alongside Abyss and Vesperia.
>>724967214How would you know? You weren't here when it released.
>>724967214They try but it doesn't work. See the replies to >>724952825
>>724967102Milla was never a god, just a proxy used as bait to draw out those who used spyrix technology, primarily Exodus.Gaius and Nachtigal believed the cannon was a superweapon, and neither knew it was actually meant to tear open the Schism to the other world.Muzet wanted to be needed and felt Maxwell had abandoned her. Gaius overwhelms her with his huge di- I mean mana lobe and it's enough for her to follow him.Agria sexo.
>>724944538>and the combat feels goodI have never in my entire life played an ARPG with worse feeling combat than Arise. This is bait.
They confirmed that they do have a brand new project on the works in addition to the ports, right? How long do you think we have until they show anything for that? Tales of Arise showed a trailer super early then went radio silent for like a whole year if not more, right?I really wonder if they have a new director/producer who knows what people like about Tales than can save us from the Baba era. But it's been so long that I really doubt there's anyone passionate about it other than giving the series to new young devs.
>>724966795face of a serial rapist
>>724967692Baba era was the golden age of Tales. We got most of our best titles under him. Do not let anti-Zestiria propaganda confuse you.
>>724967692What DO people like about Tales?
>>724967863>constantly assaults jude despite his struggles>unwarranted peck on alvin's cheek>acts as a doting grandchild so rowen lets down his guard>gaius immediately bends the knee to her advancesShe must be stopped.
>>724968042Girls fucking like tigers
Graces F annoyed the fuck out of me with its A-Arte trees. Basically, I'd have to open that shit up in the menu whenever hitting a new area to check which input corresponds to the new enemies' weaknesses. I'm sure there's some autistic heuristic for memorizing all of that, but it never dawned on me.
>>724968085>gaius immediately bends the knee to her advancesmuzet opening a black hole and crashing this planet with no survivors. it's so sad when a woman is replaced by a younger model
>>724967873I may be a retarded nostalgia fag, but I can't believe there's anyone in the fanbase that genuinely thinks that unless they've only played 1-2 games total.
>>724967051And has more players currently than Xillia lmao.
>>724968042Usually fun casts, also the skit system hard carries the franchise.
>>724968628I've only played 3 Tales games, which Tales has the best cast? Which one the best skits? Are they both in the same game? They should be, right?
>>724967873Literally only destiny remake and hearts are the only baba tales games worth of note because he was directly involved in them every other tales game he worked on was a disaster
>>724968398Destiny RGraces FXillia 2Innocence RHearts R
>>724968786Berseria has my favourite cast. It's smaller which gives more time to each individual character, and the cast itself is really well balanced out among each other, each coming from a variety of backgrounds and goals which leads to good interactions. It's also just really funny.
>>724968786>Best castAbyss, Xillia 2, Berseria, Hearts R>Best SkitsXillia 2, Graces F, Hearts R
>>724968965The samurai guy was a complete waste though.
>>724967102The twist behind Milla was that she wasn't a god, but bait used by the real Maxwell. I think she was actually based off of one of his lovers or something like that.And yeah while the story was very generic, I think it was carried by Jude and Milla. They both had pretty good arcs and make a good couple. And it's not like Tales games usually have good stories anyways. People glaze the hell out of Vesperia, but always ignore how it goes to shit in the last third and even prior is very generic. It was just hard carried by Yuri.
>>724968836Symphonia DotNWXillia 1ZestiriaAre three of the worst games in the series.Also if Graces F is one of your highlights, you know your fucked.
>>724968786Not necessarily. For example, Abyss's cast has everyone playing 4D chess with each other, but it doesn't really make for an endearing cast and the skits aren't very interesting. Berseria has a lot of banter. Hearts goes really hard on comedy. Graces f (only the epilogue) has a lot of shittalking for the lulz, but the cast itself is pretty dull throughout the main story.
>>724964036>>724964171>>724965017Teepo is an experimental third generation booster. The scientists running their illegal experiments on orphaned children they laid hands on through human trafficking, managed massive improvement over second generation boosters by intimately connecting each booster to its wielder.That's why Elize is such an introvert. She's basically a split personality in split bodies. All her extrovert traits live on Teepo. Quite importantly: she doesn't know this. She just thinks the doll is magically alive and is her besty. She doesn't learn about any of this until Exodus agents hunt her and Teepo down, and rip out his data because they want to use it for their own research. This resets him to a blank slate and reveals the truth to her, but also turns Teepo into a much more literal outlet of her inner thoughts and feelings because the personality that was built up to buffer some of that is no longer present. (This is also where you can start setting Teepo to 'off' mode in the game.) It reasserts with time though, even though she now knows it's fake.And yes - at Xillia 1's end she resorts to no longer relying on Teepo as her only friend in life.That's still the case in Xillia 2, actually. In Xillia 2 she just brought Teepo along on a school fieldtrip because a few of her classmates were intent on a show-and-tell of their stuffed animals. Elize was wanting to impress them with Teepo being actually 'alive' in the hope of them being more accepting of her and making friends. It was pure coincidence that she was packing him when she ran across Ludger and co. and a lucky streak, because after all: he's still a mad-strong third-gen mana booster. And because it's been literal years and she's not discarded Teepo entirely, his original personality that he had before has fully rebuilt - so he's acting on a much more independent basis again.All of this makes perfect sense. Nothing really was retconned in that regard.
>>724967102Pantsu...
>>724968042As far as I've been around the community, the consensus has always been fun characters. Fun juggle based action rpg combat. Lot of anime tropes for better or worse. Usually shit/incredibly tropey stories.So we're willing to suffer through the "church bad, racism bad, all adults are corrupt, environmentalism good" type stories with cringe anime dialogue and voice acting, because the we get attached to the characters and like the moment to moment combat.This is why even games like ToS2 with some of the worst characters and most infuriating voice acting in all of JRPG history was still somewhat enjoyable because the ganeplay was pretty great for its time, and it could survive enough off of Symphonia nostalgia.IMO one of Arise's biggest flaws is giving every boss power armor so they can't be juggled which ruins the gameplay of so many big moments. And then the characters were okay (too melodramatic, not enough chemistry) but not quite interesting enough to make up for it, so it ended up being mediocre overall.
>>724969074Eh, he helped balance the male cast so it wasn't just Eizen and a literal kid. I wouldn;t have minded if he had more to do, but he wasn't bad and added enough to the groups dynamics to justify himself. He was also a much needed middleground in the group, compared to Eizen/Velvets wannabe edgelords and Phi and Eleanors goody twoshoesness.
>>724968965People usually use this argument, but Abyss and Berseria had Anise and Rokurou, that were nothing burgers.Bigger casts in Tales frequently have a bigger number of good characters, too. I wouldn't say they are better than Luke, Jade or Velvet, tho.
>>724967102>Milla was a god until she wasn't?She wasn't. She's an artificial human creayed by Maxwell and used as a bait to attract the elympians who jumped to Rieze Maxia and used spyrixes and ended up forming an organization called Exodus so Maxwell could deal with them personally.If anything it's the other way around; she was a human who thought she was "a god" until she was no longer a human and "ascended godhood".>The shy loli was a huge pervert all along.Yup.The doll is an extension of herself and it basically serves to give a voice to her true thoughts and feelings.>Alvin betrays the party like 10 times and is always forgiven, even after shooting someone.It's like 3 times really.He worked with Exodus.He worked with the Chimeriad.And then he kinda went rogue after the party lost Milla. His confrontation with Jude and Leia in Hamil is supposed to tell you how much he actually relied on Milla as some sort of moral compass to keep him walking on the right path.>There's a second world, but it's literally 1 town + 1 field + 1 dungeon2 dungeons; Helioborg Fortress and Tatalian Abyss, but yes, it's super barebones.>Don't remember anything about Gaius, the Chimeriad and Muzet, not sure what their arc was, just building the cannon that opens the portal to the other world, I guess?Gaius' arc is realizing that he still has a ways to go when it comes to being a good king for the people, given how he was ready to doom Elympios for the sake of Rieze Maxia and its inhabitans.The Chimeriad and Muzet all followed him because he gave them a place by his side and a purpose to live.>Very standard Tales game, virtually everything is a recurring trope.Pretty much.If you like generic JRPGs you'll like it, otherwise you won't.It is how it is.
>>724966034There were several major plot threads all connected to the nature of Elize and Teepo.Including the human traffickers in Alvin's hometown, and Wingul - who is also like Elize. Except in his case, he had a booster surgically implanted directly into his brain and it made him literally schizo. Cool, calculating and reserved under normal conditions, but a raging unstoppable sword-psycho if he activates the booster.
>>724969114Phantasia GBA, Destiny PS1 and Legendia are worse, Vesperia faggot tourist.
>>724968790And both of these are super inaccessible to most people because Hearts was locked to the fucking Vita. Would not be surprised if most people in this thread have not played Hearts.
>>724969452>PS1 games have aged poorlyNo fucking shit retard. He still made some of the worst modern Tales of Games.
>>724969452Filtered by kangaroo kino.
>>724968085> Teepo motorboating every pair of titties in the party.You forgot one, champ.
>>724967692>They confirmed that they do have a brand new project on the works in addition to the ports, right?Yeah.>How long do you think we have until they show anything for that?They said it was still a few ways away and that there's at least 2 remasters in the works, so I'm guesing it's going to take something like 2 years for them to announce it.For now we have Xillia 2 Remastered and a potential Abyss remaster to look forward to.
>>724969553So, you're wrong and stupid. Glad you realize.>PS1 games have aged poorlyNot Phantasia or Eternia.Fuck off, tourist
>>724969114So it's a lot of excellent games plus some not good games, vs. remasters and.....a not-Tales game that was retrofitted into one and took 5x the amount of time to make. You know what? I'll take the former
>>724969452>>724969859Apparently both sides are tourists now. :)Though if you do think the old games haven't aged well, you are probably a zoomed retard. Phantasia still plays pretty well even today. I haven't played Destiny in forever so can't really speak on that one.
>>724958635>I think that's why people prefer Anise over him tooI have quite literally never seen that
>>724937221Abyss remaster when? I hated playing it on the 3DS and PS2 emulation is always wonky for me for some reason.
>>724969216Based lorebeard anon
>>724969410I don't get why everyone hated Alvin so much. I actually thought he was a backstabber done well since he was raised as a child soldier with no one to rely on except his mom. And now his mom is bedridden and suffering from dementia so he's just trying to make ends meet so support her, even if it means joining anyone who will pay him well. And even at the end after trying to assassinate Leia it's pretty clear he regrets it and genuinely wants to form genuine friendships, but just doesn't know how to because of his past.
>>724970387>Abyss remaster when?There's at least 2 remasters in the works and Xillia 2's.Chances are Abyss is one of the other 2 because it's the last big PS2 Tales game in need of a remaster, so soon(tm).https://www.thegamer.com/bandi-namco-files-tales-tales-of-the-abyss-trademark-potential-remastaer/
Which of the games currently available on Steam should I start with? Symphonia?
>>724969105>The twist behind Milla was that she wasn't a god, but bait used by the real Maxwell. I think she was actually based off of one of his lovers or something like that.Yup. Milla was bait and a foil. She was meant to flush out Exodus so they could be safely dealt with, while simultaneously keeping the REAL Maxwell out of harm's way.She was specifically raised to believe herself the real Maxwell though. The Four knew, of course, but were under strict orders from the real Maswell to play along and turn Milla into their sacrificial lamb.In the end, Milla sacrifices herself and dies - her spirit reentering the cycle of reincarnation. At that time Undine, the stickler for the rules within the Four finally has her heart break and is the first to intervene before being joined by Efreet, Sylph and Gnome to pull Milla back into the living world. It's a monumental earth-shattering taboo to mess with the cycle of spiritual reincarnation, and the result is Milla is reborn as a half-broken great spirit with her memories gone and her personality shattered. She doesn't recover herself until she witnesses the remainder of the party struggle against the real Maxwell; and in particular until Jude stands up to defend her honor. (In case there was any doubt the love between the two wasn't reciprocal; that fact alone should take the guess work away, no?)Bringing Milla back took a tole on the Four as well and at the end of Xillia 1, she's basically the last and greatest of the remaining great spirits, so she assumes the mantle of the real Maxwell. Becoming the god for real.And yes - she was created by Maxwell in the image of his first wife. Who happened to also be -spoiler- THE FIRST KRESNIK starting the whole fuckery with Origin and the watches.(This is revealed iirc in Xillia 2 in the segment where Jude can gain the ability to summon the original Maxwell, rebirthed from a mana crystal.)
Non-garbage PC port of Symphonia when?
>>724970086Not the GBA version
>>724970387They updated Abyss's trademark. It might happenWe know Bamco has said they intend to make at least two more remasters as well
>>724970773The PC port of Symphonia is trash with reduced FPS and shitton of bugs. Emulate the GC version
>>724970773Yeah.Symphonia>Vesperia or Xillia>Berseria or Graces f>>>>>>Zestiria>>>>>>Arise imo.>>724970794Never ever. It should be obvious by now that they're not going to re-remaster it or patch it up.The next stop is a multiplatform full remake.
>>724970773Release order. That said, Symphonia PC is a mediocre port of a mediocre remaster from the PS2/PS3.
>>724970890>The next stop is a multiplatform full remake.That would mean you're not getting a new mainline Tales until next decade
>>724970794Literally never gonna happen, and even if it did. it would still be based on the PS3 version which was based on the PS2 version which is worse than the GC version
To be honest, I'm surprised there are so many Xillia loremasters ITT. Thought it was a weaker and less popular entry, but clearly it's very dear to some people. Do you replay it yearly or something? How tf else would you retain all that minute information?
Milla's millas
>>724970829Also Destiny R DC
>>724971000I didn't say that it was going to happen now.What I meant is that when they decide to do something with the original Symphonia again, it's going to be a full remake, because again, it's clear they have no intention to re-remaster it or patch things up.
I don't like how Graces F just throws Richard back in your party during L&L. It feels artificial
>>724971057I finished my first playthough on the PS3 version like 2 weeks ago, kek. Still, I did like it, but that's because I'm a sucker for generic JRPGs.
>>724971057Replaying the games with different characters is very common, so people end up memorizing most plot points/lore.
>>724971057Xillia, and by extension Xillia 2, got a FUCKTON of extra worldbuilding, and NPCs frequently allude to shit in the background. People seem to like all the little detail Abyss had to its in-game history, and the Xillias didn't shy away from doing even more of it.
>>724971057Can't speak for other anons, but I'm cursed with the worst kind of memory: the one that makes me able to recall the most useless things I ever was exposed to, even years after the fact, while not being able to fucking memorize my own phone number, social security number, etc. without stupid amounts effort.
>>724971057I only remember Xillia 2's massive world guidebook that got bits and pieces of it translated on Tumblr
>>724971057It's on the shorter end for a Tales of Game and it's so shitty it's easy to remember. Kind of like how FF15 is easy to remember because nothing happens.
>>724971057Basically what >>724971397 said. It has one of the most interesting settings what with the focus on its more modern tech and whatnot.
>>724937310It absolutely does, but everything ELSE about Graces is worse by a good margin.
>>724941898I really don’t get it because the game is nothing like any of the other tales of games
>>724971915Graces has much better world design and dungeons.
I couldn't unhear Chie when I first played the duology and it took me out of it
>>724941898You're shocked people that didn't care about Tales in 30 years are playing a Game Awards game that barely feels like Tales at all? Lmao.
>>724972121Eh, that's true I guess. I thought the dungeons in Xillia were fine, but the world design was definitely the beginning of the fucking end for world design in this series, you're right.
>>724972121Shame it was a Wii game, because the game looks like absolute shit.
What if you were to get ready to play Xillia but God said MUTTON, FRESH MUTTON?
>>724971712Yeah, but I played it last year and I already forgot about the boosters. I think there was some research facility in the mountain town that experimented on kids or something (what for?). There was a woman NPC engaged to the town's good guy, she was evil and behind that whole thing but the party forgave her anyway (bleh).Why 'Xillia' anyway? The world is called Rieze Maxia, so why not Tales of Maxia? And it's apparently pronounced Ecksillia for some odd reason.Mutton, fresh mutton.
>>724969296Eizen was way less of an edgelord than the samurai. Eizen was more of a dork. Samurai just concealed his edginess under a veneer of friendliness. Dude was crazy as fuck.
>>724968042CombosThe lolisInomata's designsThe lolisThe lolisSome cool music when Sakuraba doesn't phone it in90's anime comfort food stories and settingThe brown lolisSome girls that aren't lolis
>>724972402>Why 'Xillia' anyway?It's your typical Japanese Engrish:>"The name comes from the English word "xillion," a play on million and zillion, which signifies a countless number. Producer Hideo Baba chose this name to represent the countless events, encounters, and possibilities in a person's life. The "X" in the name can also signify the unknown or crossing"Something something, 15th anniversary title so it gets the "big boy number" name
>>724972329I thought it looked good at the time. I remember being super excited for it, and being blown away that this and DotNW were on the same system.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzOAVkkGAs
>>724972621>supposed to represent a word like million/zillion>eckz-zillia
>>724972402Gonna be honest, I thought most Tales of games just had random gibberish as their titles. What does Vesperia or Zestiria mean? Is Destiny meaningful other than just sounding cool? Legendia?
>>724968628It's this for me. Gameplay in this series runs the gamut from dogshit to pretty fun, but without a fun cast and the skits, this series would genuinely be awful most of the time.
>>724972329Eh, Xillia looks like a late PS2 game. It might look better than the PS2 Tales, but hardly better than the better looking games in the platform.
>>724937221maybe because the graces remaster was flawless while the xillia one is an unplayable buggy mess
>>724972551Samurai was only edgy when he was in his autistic bloodlust, otherwise he was pretty reasonable and often sided with what Phi wanted because he liked the kid. Eizen was always trying to take the edgy options with Velvet and was way more willing to screw over innocents, he was the most pragmaticly asshole of the group.
>>724972763Vesperia is actually one of the easier ones and explained in-game: Brave Vesperia is a star in the night sky after which Yuri and Karol name their guild
>>724972674Look at how shit this looks. Vesperia looked way better.
>>724972763Vesperia is a star in that world IIRC, there's a scene where the party talks about that star and I think they name their squad after it or something, it's been a while. Berseria is a reference to Berserk, obviously, given the way the MC looks and acts (plus the whole betrayal thing at the start of the game mirroring Guts' arc). Not sure about Zestiria.
>>724972763>VesperiaThat's actually one of the only tales games to explain it's meaning in game. It's named after the star in it. And it's what Yuri's own group is named after as well.
>>724972990Well, yeah, Vesperia looks better than all the other games on the PS3 as well.
>>724962214You and me both brother, those games blew my mind when I was young. Any other series that might fill the void a bit?
>>724959791It's kind of funny really because they still "killed" the kid, they just did it in a dramatically different way to try to censor it. Bodies on the ground in blood or some kid drowning in mud are simply less visceral than an on-screen maim murder or explosion or so forth. And for Akzeriuth they can just change the camera angle to remove the worst of the implications. People act like child death is a BIG NO-NO PERIOD CAN'T EVER HAVE IT NOPE CENSORED but the reality is it's still pretty common as a drama thing, they just try not to depict them directly on-screen and in your face.
>>724972990>Vesperia looked way better.Not really, vesperia looks like a blurry mess due to the agrressive use of philters slightly masking how ugly the game actually looks.
>>724972875The samurai just wanted to kill his (actually successful and honorable) brother because he was jealous of his success, and then he does just that, he's a complete psycho. The ending says he even regressed back into a daemon, so he was a lost cause all along. Pretty pointless character IMO, his arc was paper thin and the personality was one note.
>>724970775It's funny because I beat Xillia but don't remember 99% of this shit. What the fuck.>And yes - she was created by Maxwell in the image of his first wife. Who happened to also be -spoiler- THE FIRST KRESNIK starting the whole fuckery with Origin and the watches.So Milla is a clone of the great great great great ancestor of Ludger and Elle?
>>724972909>>724973000>>724973017I was looking to see if Vesperia was a term used anywhere before the video game, and apparently it just comes from Vesper meaning evening in Latin. So Evening Star is a cool enough fantasy name for a star in game world.Also second trivia piece given to me by Google AI, apparently Vesperia was a name considered for Canada before Canada was a thing. Huh.
>>724972990Vesperia looked pretty crunchy too. But it did have the benefit of being on the X360 compared to the fucking Wii so it HAD to look at least a little better.
>>724972763Abyss is very obviously named so based on the entire world that exists beneath the surface world in-game. Sometimes it IS just nonsense or whatever sounds cool though.
>>724959791>>724973189what pissed me off about the Berseria censorship is the fucking apologists saying it didn't have an impact.Bitch that stabbing moment was supposed to be paralleled later on in the story when Velvet gets stabbed in the exact same way but refuses to fucking die.
Can anyone confirm only the pipe costume has been censored? I keep seeing fucking niggerbastard shills saying only this got censored when the bamco notice clearly stated that VARIOUS things were adjusted and the pipe was merely an example of the VARIOUS things that were censored. So, what else has been censored?
>>724954798>story on Abyss levelAbyss story is dogshit. A plot that depends on the entire cast, both protags and antags, being retards who refuse to talk and share information with each other just to drive conflict, despite how illogical it is to do so, can never be considered good. It's a massive pet peeve I share with Bravely Default. "Kill each other. Talk never." bullshit.
>>724972402>what for?To find which kids were more compatible with the boosters and then raise them to be soldiers.>There was a woman NPC engaged to the town's good guy, she was evil and behind that whole thing but the party forgave her anyway (bleh).Yes but not really?I mean, they don't interact with her much after the accident happens and she becomes mindbroken and bedridden, and during that scene at the bridge it's not like they openly say "we forgive you for what you've done" or anything.
Other than pipe shit nothing was censored in Xillia remaster? Elize swimsuit still in?
>>724973287>An alternate reality where Vesperia was a place in North America and people played Tales of Canadalol
>>724973353NothingNo really. It's literally nothing besides the pipe they even undid Argia's death scene censor when she flipped the bird at Leia.
>>724972584>Some cool music when Sakuraba doesn't phone it inI love the way he used the bass in some of Abyss' trackshttps://youtu.be/o1BtcVc8yHkhttps://youtu.be/IbUpdzeC_Ys
haven't played any Arise games but I got Tales of Arise recently, 20 hours in its pretty comfy however it has some of the most horrible AI regarding your party members I've ever seen so much so that I'm slowly losing interest because the boss fights are just an uninteresting slogare any other games in the series better? whats that newly remastered game like?
>>724973379And still better than 99% of Tales, contrarian-kun.
>>724973379When your entire party consists of jackasses all using each other and the protag for their own plans, and the big bad is using everybody and essentially invoking the worst of shit to kick into gear by deliberate misinformation even among his own group because of a misanthropic goal, it's annoying as shit, yes, but it makes sense. The point that crosses the line for me is the fact that the protagonist has to be the one to amend and apologize for his actions without anyone else recognizing their hand in causing it, which makes him suicidal in the process.
>>724973456>they even undid Argia's death scene censor when she flipped the bird at LeiaSeriously, even in the English version? Hmm, I'll have to grab this remaster on sale.
>>724973481they're basically entirely different, Arise's gameplay is a huge departure from the franchise.
>>724973481Arise basically isn't Tales you got tricked.
>>724972875I'll give you Eizen mostly because he does wind up a monster come Zesty Clean. That does mean he had a deep streak of evil and I'm vaguely starting to remember him being practical/amoral, but samurai was way worse than you remember him too. He was already turning into a monster when Velvet finds him and you need to be already insane to start heading that way in that game's setting. Samurai was just a charming monster, who didn't want to rock the boat with his allies.
>>724973523Good to know I was always a contrarian since the day I played Abyss back in 2006.
>>724973353>So, what else has been censored?The long answer is that they might have changed some lines of dialogue here or there in the english translation, either to fix typos or use less offensive terminology in line with their idea of making the game age-appropriate or whatever the fuck.It's the kind of stuff where you're going to have to play the PS3 version and the remaster side by side and autistically compare every single line of dialogue of every single NPC and story beat in every single location.The shorter answer is that they changed the pipe and probably nothing else.
>>724973481Most Tales games are better than Arise. Xillia 2 is the peak of combat, but really most of the GC/360/PS3 era games are good. The 2D ones are also solid for older RPGs, but are pretty simplistic.
>>724973626>>724973662I'm enjoying it for what it is despite it's flaws. Whats the next best game to try out in the Arise series?
>>724973481The AI is gimped intentionally, otherwise the 3 AI bots would hard carry you. But the thing is, pre-Arise games all had local co-op, so you could play with your gf or bro controlling another party member, making the combat much more fun.
>>724973345Yeah some of them like Abyss, Hearts, and Berseria are pretty obvious at a single glance. I'd argue even titles like Phantasia and Symphonia, while needlessly fancied up, are pretty clear in story themes.
>>724973481If you liked Arise you're not going to like the rest of the franchise and viceversa.
>>724973834I liked both.
>>724973402The collab costumes were cut, but that is it.
>>724973792The previous games were also broken by co-op. I remember beating Sword Dancer 1 in Symphonia at like level 4 or something because me and a buddy would just stunlock it to death.
>>724973790Code Vein
>>724973758>they might have changed some lines of dialogue here or there in the english translation, either to fix typos or use less offensive terminology in line with their idea of making the game age-appropriate or whatever the fuck.Fuck off anon, it's all there. The game is fully voiced, they're not re-hiring the actors 15 years later.
>>724973983Everyone should share their bazongas with Elize...
>>724973790My favorites are Phantasia PS1, Destiny PS2 and Vesperia. The first two never came here officially but have fan translations, Vesperia had 2 versions (xbox 360 and a later PS3) PS3 had some exclusive content, but never left japan. Definitive Edition is based on the PS3 release, so it's probably the best version to play but I will warn you that the english dub is kind of fucked because they got other people to do the voices, so there will be scenes with character's voicing changing between the new and old cast because of it.
>>724973790>Whats the next best game to try out in the Arise series?Arise isn't a series, it's just an entry in the Tales franchise (in name only desu).It's also the latest mainline game.Everything that comes before it are older titles released in Sony's and Nintendo's consoles, some of which are also on PC.
>>724972763>Phantasia: first entry so generic Fantasy™ name>Destiny: the worst one in the entire franchise, utterly generic "the Swordian's destiny!" wording>Eternia: it's the name of the world, comprised of Inferia and Celestia>Symphonia: refers to uniting the game's two worlds in balance, similar to a symphony being harmonious>Rebirth: the spiritual rebirth of Queen Agarte and the Huma/Gajuma as a whole>Legendia: second worst after Destiny, something something how the legend of the Teriques affects the plot>Abyss: the literal abyss between the Outer Lands and the Qliphoth>Innocence: the perceived lost innocence of the protagonists when they're confronted with what the people they are reincarnations of did>Vesperia >>724972909>Hearts: people's Spiria, their emotions>Graces: I don't fucking know. The graces of friendship, and how Asbel doesn't give up on Richard? Probably third worst>Xillia: >>724972621>Zestiria: comes from the word "zest," referring to the main characters' "zest for life" and passion for their beliefs ie how autistic Sorey is>Berseria: pretty literal, it's a game about the story of a berserker>Arise: I'll just let the devs answer this one: " Arise includes the meaning of“stand up” or ”sunrise”, but separate to that we came up with “Dawn of the Heart.” Perhaps that sounds like an abstract catch phrase, but not just within the game itself, but encompassing theplayers thoughts and heart. Because of the difficulties of the current times, we wanted this theme to carry through the whole game and be felt by the player"
>>724973737Samuri is just combat thirsty, he's not a good guy by any means, but he's not really actively malicious, he's just sort of a bum who wants to drink, he ends up worst post game but that because he didn't have the fullfilling fights he has during the course of the game. In the actual game he's pretty chill, mainly because by being in the party he's working towards his goals. Like I said, he's usually one of the party members to talk down Velvet and Eizen when they are trying to be edgy, usually on Phi's behalf. Hell, during the Aball scene, he tries to calm down Velvet in an attempt to save her from showing her demon form to Niko. He's probably the friendliest of the party outside of Eleanor and Phi.
>>724937221Nobody fucking wanted this.The hype was for Abyss, not Xillia and not even bundled together with Xillia 2.
>>724973983Why is a 10 year old girl obsessed with growing bazongas?
>>724973983>Fuck off anonNo.>it's all there.Listen, I don't particularly care (you probably missed this because you clearly didn't read the very next chunk of text after the quote), but I'm not going to dismiss the possibility given the year we live in.So, until you or anyone else actually do what I said I'm going to say "they probably only changed the pipe" instead of "they only changed the pipe", thank you very much.
>>724946969Ludger kills everyone by himself but keeps Milla and Velvet for impregnating.
>>724973904And given you didn't elaborate, I do not believe you.Take care.
>>724950270holy based
>>724974153Thank you anon, very educational.Also Zestiria being even more gay than previously known to be is somehow not a surprise at all. That one sounds like some Californian hipster thought it would be a good idea.
>>724974153>>Zestiria: comes from the word "zest," referring to the main characters' "zest for life" and passion for their beliefs ie how autistic Sorey isThe Zest is because that nigga canon zesty anonboypussy is the name of the game
>>724974342She wants a sexy future. And to be smothered by other's bazongas in the present.
>>724974535Sorey has a zesty butthole ready to Mikleo
>>724974342>>724974582She needs to learn pregnancy also makes bazongas bigger
>>724946969In gameplay or lore? In gameplay it'd probably be Ludger who's just anime Dante with a hammer. In lore probably Black because Yuri is a mary sue.
>>724974535Zesty niggas
>>724965602Arise was literally a sword art online rip off
>>724947692i can't believe this post just went unappreciated. Tales fags are ungrateful also>imagine having licensing beef with a little JRPG
>>724974283Xillia 2 was not bundled originally, it was a separate, full price title. So there is no reason to bundle Remastered versions even if reddit believed otherwise
>>724968176Yeah the weakness system in graces seriously dragged that shit down. Every move had like 4 attributes and if you accidentally hit an enemy with one resist say goodbye to your combo and you basically had to memorize all of them to get consistent stuns. Play above moderate? Lmao everything gets 10x accuracy/evasion get fucked.
Also, I never understood why people unironically thought they might have removed the bazongas skits before the remaster came out.They're not offensive whatsoever.Alvin and Rowen play a prank on Jude, that's basically all there is to it at the end of the day, so it's partly mischievous and partly innocent in nature.
>>724974878Because Anti-woke retards have brainrot and jump at imagined shadows.
is there an easy way to farm ancient bells
>Start playing Vesperia on switch since I heard good things about it>Decide to try hard mode for some spice>Yuri moves slow as molasses and has a massive delay after every combo so he's guaranteed to get hit>Zagi gets random hyper armor for no reason and can just spam his knockdowns over and over if he feels like itWow this game sucks. Now I'm scared to play Symphonia or Abyss since tehy're probably even more outdated.
>>724974976noget fucked lmao
>>724969224>e "church bad, racism bad, all adults are corrupt, environmentalism good" type storiesLiterally none of those are present in Tales and these memes get perpetuated by aggressive misinformation and lies. Abyss was about pre-determination and retribution. Vesperia which always gets harped on as an environmental story is all about justice, what actions and people are justified and to what degree should people be punished.
>>724975050Fuck
>>724974996Hard mode isn't worth doing in like eighty percent of games, since they just bloat stats and give hyper armor to enemies. Only a rare few give enemies new skills, tools, phases. Even less add new/different enemies in hard modes.
>>724970569Yeah and the best part after the first time the party knew he wasn't trustworthy and decided to keep their enemy close and within sight.
>>724974996Manual cancel you need it to make tov early game fun
>>724974996>>Yuri moves slow as molasses and has a massive delay after every combo so he's guaranteed to get hitYou're supposed to backstep cancel your combos, you learn backstep IIRC from the scimitar sold in literally the first town after the prologue. Make sure to buy it, because you can't return there for a long while.Yes, it's dumb. The game also has a fuckton of missable side quests. It is what it is, boomer design. Still a good game despite all of this.
>>724975073Justice is such an important part of Vesperia that Yuri's character arc just suddenly stops and is never brought up again.
>>724974823Gonna be honest, 90% of Tales games have some optimal juggling combo that you learn and just spam over and over for efficiencies sakes rather than experimenting to do new things. So the fact that Grace's forces you to swap up your combo based on the enemy type you're playing was really valuable to keeping me interested in the gameplay long term. Was it perfect? No, but I'm happy they tried it for one entry.
>>724975073>racism badRacism bad, is at least the plot or semi plot of like 5 tales games including PhantasiaAnd church bad happened in destiny 2 (the real one)
>>724975204>>724975194Okay but what if I literally can't beat Zagi because I don't have backstep cancel?
>>724974976Cheat Engine. My motto is "If I am able to farm it, then I have infinite of it" and CE makes it so.
Damn mutton man hit the nostalgia button.
>>724974996Vesperia on Hard on a first playthrough is an absolute nightmare. Slow movement without manual cancelling constantly, always running low on TP and battles taking fucking forever as a result, and all the good skills being locked until way late in the game.Check the in-game manual because it will tell you how to do the cancel technique.
>>724975351Always wished games included shops where you can turn your useless money into rare drops. Gold is always pointless at some point in every rpg.
>>724975342Isn't the "church bad" plot also the plot of Symphonia and Berseria as well?
>>724975351Your motto sucks.You're using a 3rd party program to cheat.Listen, to each their own, but the least you can do is to be honest and upfront about it and say "I'm a cheater" instead of doing mental gymnastics and coming up with flimsy justifications.People like you disgust me, fuck you.
>>724975548Partially church bad but it wasn't the main focus
>>724975548Sorta. The bad guys use the church as a weapon against the good guys and world. But they're both about different stuff, ultimately.
>>724975073The funny thing is that the two examples you thought I was targeting weren't even the ones I was thinking of in my head. "Church bad, Racism bad" are often two ways people oversimplify the plot of Symohonia and the desians. Environmentalism was about Phantasia and the only magitech versus nature theming. Adults are corrupt was referring to Zestiria in which literally every named character ends up betraying you or being somehow corrupted by Calamity.Just pointing out Tales is a series of anime tropes. Even when you point at a trope, it might apply to multiple games!
>>724975731Needs more slutty elves trope usage. Arche isn't enough.
>>724975875But she fucks tigers
Good thread bros. Can't remember the last time we had a good tales thread that hit post limit.
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>>724975731>Adults are corrupt was referring to Zestiria in which literally every named character ends up betraying you or being somehow corrupted by Calamity.Magilou's descendant was a good guy, off the top of my head. He's that old guy in the desert area, if you don't remember.
>>724974996Abyss on 3DS on Hard was annoying for me, because if you weren't the appropriate level for a boss fight, it literally made you do 1 damage per hit. Gain 1 level, and suddenly doing 100s per hit like normal. The level scaling punishing you for reaching a boss fight without grinding to the appropriate level first is the exact opposite of what I want from a Hard mode experience.I wasn't even skipping field encounters. I play by a "run into every enemy once" kind of mantra and only skip enemies if I'm backtracking.
>>724975947There are infinite tigers and only one Arche. She needs backup.
>>724975980Yeah, pretty cool. I posted a semi-bait OP on a whim but the thread actually took off, apparently there's a decent number of Xillia fans.
don't trust anyone who says Graces has the best gameplay. they don't even know you can combo in Tales games
>>724976181Why is that monster beating up an innocent Slenderman.
>>724976181odd remark while posting Destiny DC given how Graces is like 80% Destiny DC in its DNA
>>724937221Berseria has not gone on a dirt cheap sale this whole fucking year AHHHHHHHHHHHH GIVE ME MY /ss/
>>724976354Sorry, you have to pay a fetish tax.
>>724976354Berseria is an angsty yuri game thank you very much.
>>724975981>still upkek
>>724978039Mods are zesty niggas
CC is an anti-fun mechanic
