>>724940196
He did literally nothing wrong.

PLAY THE FUCKING PIANO, JANNY!!!

I mean...he's stuck in a false reality for eternity which is being manipulated by his psychotic little sister all while knowing the truth of the world. He wanted release. He wanted death...to be free. Maella denied that for her own selfish reasons. If you look at it from Verso's perspective, it's most likely a living hell. He can't kill himself. Maella could easily bring him back or even prevent it. The Verso in the canvas world knows he's just an imitation of the real Verso created by "his mother" so he's really no different than the denizens inside the canvas, but he knows the truth. It probably would have been a blessing if Maella at least wiped his memories, but if she did that then she knows it wouldn't be the same as him knowing the truth.

I personally see Maella's ending as really fucked up. It doesn't feel fucked up if you don't look at it from Verso's perspective, or you just didn't give a shit about Verso and felt like he was wrong, though I don't see how he was wrong. He didn't want to live in a false reality and wanted to grant the "real" Verso peace. He lied and swindled to get what he wanted but he probably knew the others would stand in his way if they knew the truth about the canvas world, so he lied to them.

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>>724940196
this board is the same exact threads every fucking day

>>724940196
Kinoest ending I've seen in a game in long time

>>724941152
White take.

Okay marketer-san...

>YOU MEAN I HAVE TO LIVE, HAVE SEX WITH MY BEAUTIFUL ASIAN WIFE, LOVE MY CHILDREN AND DIE OF OLD AGE????? NOOOOOOOOO THIS IS A LITERAL NIGHTMARE!!!!
has he gotten a soÿjak yet?

>>724941637
But he didn't ask for that. He didn't want that. It doesn't matter how "nice" it sounds. He didn't want it. It's not a hard concept to understand. He didn't get to choose how to end his life on his own terms. He knows who he is and the world he's in, and he didn't like it. Suicide isn't exactly an option for him. He's being forced to live in a reality that he didn't want to live in in the first place. There is more depth to it than just "OMG GET TO BANG LE HOT ASIAN WIFE EVERYDAY LOLOL" Also he won't die of old age. Painters can give their creations immortality and even revive the dead.

>>724941637
>die of old age
are you retarded? he has already been alive for a hundred years during the game

>>724941786
He looks older at the end so it's implied Alicia removed his immortality. Also, life it's not about what YOU want you whiny little faggot. Nobody asked to be born, but your death affects people around you wheter you like it or not.

>>724940196
Garbage act 3 / ending

Maelle's ending would be perfect if there was an option to let Verso go.
Escapism is based, but don't force others to participate in your delusions.

>>724942290
His soul is still trapped in the painting doe

>>724940196
Is it EVER actually explained how he's still alive when the entire plot revolves around his death? I can't believe people are actually calling this slop GOTY when the writers couldn't be arsed to even proofread their story. Or is it some kinda joke wrapped in like 30 levels of irony where you call an objectively shitty game good despite the nonsensical (probably AI-written) story, boring gameplay, shitty UE graphics and an AI generated soundtrack?

>>724941786
>He didn't want it
Too bad. Literally everyone else inside the painting didn't want to cease to exist entirely which he was fully aware of during the multiple attempts to make exactly that happen so his desires do not mean a thing anymore.

>>724942434
It isn't his soul. Verso is not Verso.

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>>724940196
versobros...

>>724941994
in those 100 years he never aged
now he has visibly aged

>>724942461
It's so simple that it never even needs explaining

>>724942683
If it's so simple then why didn't I understand it?

>>724943028
Idiocy

>>724942461
bruh

>>724942547
Don't matter. They're linked. Otherwise, can you explain why he didn't dissapear when Aline was kicked out of the canvas? We know Aline painted Verso, so he being one of her creations should have been gommaged when Renoir got released

>>724943137
A painter's creations don't vanish when the painter leaves. The other Alicia was painted by Aline too, as was the Clea that the real Clea (also outside the painting) painted over. The world is full of Clea's paintings that remain with her gone.

>>724943306
And that doesn't make sense. Why would Renoir only wanted to kill Lumierans specifically? The only thing that makes sense is that by Aline being kicked out her creations die. They only ones that don't seem to be affected are the ones that have to do with her family for some reason.

>>724943438
there is no way you played the game with audio and subtitles on

>>724943507
I accept your concession, retard

>>724940196
Big contender for KWABOTY

>>724943545
what concession, the fact that everyone that played the game got those questions answered but you didn't? I'm just trying to understand if you can complete the game without getting anything from it or if you are just lying.

>>724943438
Explain right now why none of Clea's creations died when she left the canvas.

>>724943671
Surely you can then summarize it in a sentence instead of redditing your way through it like a neckbeard faggot.

>>724942461
Are you for real? He is not the real Verso, just a "paint" made with his memories
He knows he isn't "real" and has to keep up with the bullshit made by the Dessendre family

>>724943692
Because not even the writers are sure how the rules work. They're probably going to expand on it in the future. Those are details that are not important at the moment, like how the writers convinced or made Alicia to burn the house.

>>724943438
So, which let's play did you watch exactly?
It looks like the guy you watched skipped some parts, too.

>>724943852
Is it common for you to simply replace "I don't understand this" with "nobody understands this because an explanation doesn't exist"?

>>724943937
Im still waiting for that sentence

>>724940196
Who would even took Maella ending?

Like you choce between mentally ill teenage girl and
chad dude that died for his sister.

>>724943946
In video games? Yes it's very common for writers/developers to leave some things unanswered without any lore explination only to expand on it later on. You would know if you actually play video games.

>>724940196
People who choose the Maelle ending will turn around and say some shit like MOON is their favorite game then wonder why people are talking about media literacy

>>724943979
If the explanation goes against your established conclusion (which is wrong) you'll write it off as making no sense so what's the point

>>724944108
I won't. At this point anything you have to explain it will be just a guess so why would I criticize it? I'm plainly saying I don't know and the writers probably didn't either when they made the story.

>>724942596
I don't get it

>>724943045
Yeah I doubt that. See, I got an almost perfect score (93, only 7 off) on an IQ test. If someone as smart as me couldn't understand it, then the writers failed.

>>724944225
And I'm plainly saying that if you think the explanations are guesswork then you could not have been paying attention to what happened on screen during the game
For as long as you insist that Aline's creations vanished solely because she was ejected then you cannot have the plot explained to you

>>724943796
I admit, that's a good theory and would explain it, but as far as I know, this isn't stated ANYWHERE in the game. If that was the intention, it would've at least been hinted at.

>>724944429
That's a weird way of saying you have no idea either. So no explanation?

>>724944621
None that you'll accept or understand

nigger chatgpt can explain the plot to you and it hasn't even played the game

>>724944694
Humor the chat.

>>724940196
Good.

>>724944782
Renoir wanted to gommage everything.

>>724944732
This is not about understanding the game plot, tard. This is more about understanding the dynamics of how the canvas works. We know Renoir wanted to expel Aline from the Canvas and we know once he did all the lumierans got BTFO. The logical explanation would be that because they are Aline's creations they would vanish if the painter got expelled, but then why doesn't painted Verso or Alicia dissapear too if they were Aline's creations? My guess is that the developers are still figuring out how all this shit works.

>>724944883
So why didn't he? Only the lumierans got gommaged

>>724945042
No idea man, the gommage started and then it just hard cut to the party alive on the overworld. It was never explained why only Lumiere was hit

>>724945042
>Seeing your expedition through would plunge us all into the abyss. For in ridding the world of the Paintress… You’d lose the sole force standing against the one who would erase us. The one who invokes the flowers of the Gommage. An act of love. For he does love her. Your Father.

>>724945042
How were Aline's creations being gommaged for 67 years with her still around?

>>724945180
That's what Im saying. We have no idea. But then some retards here think they have it all figured out and all the answers are inside the game somewhere in Esquiel's ass and if you say they aren't you didn't played the game

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>>724940196
>is faggot

>>724945289
The monolith was somehow suppresing Renoir's power and he could only destroy things slowly.

>>724945336
No we all know what happened, you're just a diagnosable moron

>>724945441
That makes no sense, Renoir doesn't destroy things they just expire when their creator goes home

>>724945445
Another post and still no explanation, tsk tsk
>b-but I won't do it because then you'll laugh at me ;_;

>>724945518
What? Nigga the canvas was originally Verso's and he's fucking dead.

>>724945592
The writers haven't figured out how to square that circle yet

>>724943438
>The only thing that makes sense is that by Aline being kicked out her creations die.
No. Renoir gommaged Lumerians because Aline was so submersed in her delusions she recreated Paris/her family and escaped into a fantasy in which she can play house. Renoir evoked the gommage to dispel her escapist fantasies so that no Lumerians would be left and therefore nothing to tether her to the canvas.

I mean, you played the game? Right? Ejecting Aline from the canvas did not kill the Lumerians. It happened in the story. They were erased because Aline was no longer there to protect them from Renoir (family exempt due to immortality hax) It's the same reason why Grandis and Gestrals still exist in the canvas long after (real) Verso left it alone. The same reason why Nevrons exist despite Clea fucking off. The ONLY requirement to sustain life in the canvas is soul fragment of the original painter serving as the fulcrum.

Stop being retarded and pay attention.

>>724942010
Cuck mentality + skill issue

>>724945687
>No. Renoir gommaged Lumerians because Aline was so submersed in her delusions she recreated Paris/her family and escaped into a fantasy in which she can play house. Renoir evoked the gommage to dispel her escapist fantasies so that no Lumerians would be left and therefore nothing to tether her to the canvas.
Then why didn't he gommaged the painted Verso and Aline? Those are literally the biggest part of her escapism fantasies. The lumerians are literally just dolls and in the grand scheme of things literally inconsecuential.

>>724941786
Don't try to explain freedom to failed normies, they'd kill their parents for a day of being a npc

>>724945845
He was literally planning to gommage Verso after apologising to him which you would know if you ever watched that major cutscene

>>724945909
Kill yourself already

>>724943137
I saw you in another thread a couple of months ago making this exact same argument in this exact same way using the exact same language. Literally everybody understands that people are removed from the canvas because they are deliberately and actively removed by Renoir because they are no longer under Aline's protection, and that it has nothing to do with their lives being intrinsically linked to hers. This is made abundantly and unequivocally clear within the game, there is no debate around it. But somehow several weeks/months later you still don't seem to have understood this simple fact despite everybody telling you the same both then and now.

>>724945945
Nigger you made that up lmao. He already knew what the real Renoir was going to. There was no reason to wait.

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>>724941436
>Maella

>>724946017
>it has nothing to do with their lives being intrinsically linked to hers.
I literally never said their lives are linked to her lmao schizo. And btw this is the first time I've been in a E33 thread after months so you fail in that too dipshit.
Now take your meds

>>724946214
Don't point it out, it's the fastest way to spot which posts can be completely ignored and I don't want them to correct themselves

>>724945845
He did try to gommage Verso but Maelle blocked it, you see this happening in the cut scene. There is no painted Aline, she didn't paint a copy of herself, why would she.

>Maelle is born in The Matrix
>people are suprised she doesn't want to destroy The Matrix
it's literally the steak vs cum porrige choice, except she knew about it beforehand
and just as you wouldn't wan't to live underground and could not sleep every friday due to nigger rave party in the cave next door, Maelle doesn't want to go back to her broken aristocrat family that hates her deep down
Verso better stop bitching and do the best with the situation he's in

>>724946357
Easier than programming functional mirrors

>>724946357
I meant painted Alicia. He did tried to removed painted Verso but either Renoir is the biggest retard alive or he really hated the lumerians for some reason because he also forgot to gommage Esquie and Monaco. Esquie especially since the team couldn't really have done much afterwards without him. What, he wanted to apoligize to them too? To the fucking dogs?

>>724946534
It's debatable if he COULD gommage Esquie without first amassing more chroma
Esquie was painted to be the most powerful being in the world

>>724946534
Oh also before some faggot points it out, yeah Esquie is not the dog. So it would be "apologize to the dog"

>>724946383
>family that hates her
False. Sounds like projection.

>>724946838
Aline absolutely resents her

>>724946709
>It's debatable if he COULD gommage Esquie without first amassing more chroma
I'll buy it because I don't have an explanation either. Still it doesn't explain why from all Aline's creations he seems to only target the lumierans specifically.

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>>724940196
reminder that marchefags deserve the rope

>>724946838
Clea 100% hates her deep down, she adored Verso
Aline tries not to but she lost her only son because of her and it's known just like dads tend to love their daughters a bit more, moms are the same with their sons
Renoir is the only one who truly want her back and don't blame her for Verso's death, but again, he did lost his only son because of her actions

>>724941786
He just needs to wait till Maelle dies of paint poisoning, may be a hundred years more.

>>724946903
Resents maybe, she doesn't outright hate her.
>>724947112
>Clea 100% hates her deep down
Did you beat the endless tower? The dialogue at the end makes it 100% clear that Clea loves her.
>Aline tries not to but she lost her only son because of her
Again, she probably subconsciously resents her, but not outright hate. You don't just suddenly start hating your other child you loved before if she was partially and indirectly responsible for your favorite child dying.

>>724940196
Name a more kino ending in vidya.

>>724947353
okay, hate might be a bit strong, but they do resent her, even if they'll try no to
she also live with guilt and physical pain in real world, she's free of it in The Matrix
it's not really a choice t b h

>>724946943
Renoir target Lumierans because it's filled with Aline's past boyfriends. I know cuckrage when I see it

>>724947353
Aline consciously chose to paint Alicia as shitty as she could

>>724947540
Bioshock good ending

>>724947540
Harvester

>>724946943
>doesn't explain why from all Aline's creations he seems to only target the lumierans specifically.
Those are Aline's creations. She created Lumiere and its inhabitants. Everything else was painted by someone else.

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is this accurate

>>724947897
>fr*nch "people"
>shaving
choose one

>>724947751
No she didn't she painted her as she saw her at the time. And she was right if we go by Verso's ending

>>724947990
Right, she painted the shittiest version that she saw at the time even though it conflicts with the point of her escapism itself. She could easily have painted her without a fucked up face, missing eye and inability to speak and pretend like the fire didn't happen but instead she paints Alicia with all her pain and disabilities and forces her to live like that while Verso gets to be painted as not dead or even injured by the fire

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Honestly this game made me respect the french more. They really put their lives into it, the insane music & writing prove it

>>724948452
I already respected them enough over their seething hate of russians

>>724947656
>it's not really a choice
For her? Sure. Versos ending is still better overall. She'll be fine.
>>724947751
I don't think it was a conscious choice. In that case, why paint her at all instead of pretending she died in the fire? More like she subconsciously couldn't just ignore that the fire happened, and did the best she could with that and pretended Alicia was only burned in it but everyone survived.

>>724942629
Maelle allowed him to age, likely to his "real" age. He would be old and feeble, and likely unable to stand against her again.

I finished this game on Saturday and my index finger still hurts from the paintress fight I did on Friday.

>>724941152
He murdered his squad

>>724949484
Then you're gonna need surgery if you ever try the Simon fight

>>724949651
Ok yeah that was kinda mean but they deserved it

>>724948670
French people in general actually don't want a war with Russia.

>>724950237
People in general don't want war with anyone. That doesn't stop the raging manlet dictator in Russia.

>>724949939
They didn't deserve it. They were completely in the right to interrogate Verso. His excuse of "they wouldn't believe the truth" doesn't even make sense since they all saw him walk off getting half his torso obliterated.

>>724950362
You mean jewlensky? At least you're right about ukraine being part of russia.

So why did no one save Painted Clea? You really telling me that the entire painted family was just running around the continent and jerking off, while Esquie was there the whole time, and chose not to look for her, which they would have found with Esquie's help?

>>724950830
He still did nothing wrong

>>724951136
Maybe they did, but didn't find her because the continent is a fucking massive place to find one person in. After that they probably figured she died in the Fracture or something since she never looked for them either.

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>surfers

>>724951136
>>724951515
None of you played the game.

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>sulfur

>>724951617
I literally beat the game a second time this week. The Flying Manor is right above the first part of the continent and clearly isnt hidden, Clea trapped pClea but the Expedition entered the manor easily so its not like there was a barrier of sorts. The painted family was alive for nearly 70 years, other than wiping out expeditions, what were they actually doing with their free time? Especially Alicia considering shes just there the entire time.

>>724951136
>chose not to look for her, which they would have found with Esquie's help?
It's honestly strange. E0's flag is a few yards away from where Clea's chamber is implying Verso has been to the flying manor, but during the cutscene before Clea's fight Verso is surprised to see her. That said, he wouldn't have been able to save her anyway. She was painted over by the real Clea to turn her into a nevron broodmother and Verso lacks any painting power

>>724953832
>he wouldn't have been able to save her anyway
Could he though? We see Clea break free to life, even for a short moment, even remembers his brother and looks to get close to him, but she pulls back out of fear and confusion and ends her life to end the pain. I think Maelle could have done something honestly, just to help a little

>>724940196
what the fuck is Alicia's problem?

what will the dlc be?

>>724955218
Alternate Universe where they aren't in a painting, this is just the actual world and it plays out completely differently

reminder that we never see lune gommage and she hates shoes like clea

>>724954761
>she pulls back out of fear and confusion and ends her life to end the pain
Which means he didn't save her. He also managed to do that with the group he's done numerous things that were previously impossible. Maelle was Verso's first access to a painter, meaning what we see in the game would be Verso's first opportunity to help her.
>I think Maelle could have done something honestly, just to help a little
That's another can of contradicting worms. Maelle claims she isn't skilled enough to paint over other people's paintings, yet she offers to fix Alicia's scars and also paints Verso old. My guess is that "cosmetic" changes are easier to do than undoing brainwashing but that's literally just a headcanon. The alternative explanation is "Maelle is lying, but only when she feels like it"

>>724955438
elaborate