>low to mid-range gaming PCs are almost $2000 nowwtf?
>work 2 months at mcdonald>can afford a high end PC>still complainsstrangle all americans
>>724965709save for the gpu you should already have the rest of the components just swap that
just buy a PS5 bro
>>724965942>third worlders consider McDonald's the peak of their career
>>724965709just buy a steamdeck bro, pcs are a rip off.
>>724965709You can get a full-fledged gaming workhorse that plays all the games a PC can play with graphics that are 98% as good for $500
>>724965942If you don't pay groceriesIf you don't pay rentIf you don't pay insurance, transportWhich, you probably don't, because you're shartyteen underage.
Add $1000 atleast and that would be the price in my hellhole, americans are so spoiled
>Prebuiltno shit you're getting zogged
>>724965709you can get a high end one with a 5070ti under 2k. retard
>>724966405>plays all the games a PC can playlol. lmao, even.
>>724966592>5070 ti>high end
>>724966834you can play 1440p maxed out
>>724966952that's mid end, high end would be 4k. i think a a 5070 ti is more than enough for most gamers(fuck, a 5060 ti is when most probably don't even notice the dlss bullshit) but it's def mid end.
>>724966952>>724967097the 5070 ti is a mid end card priced like a high end. buy amd,.
>>724966405please just let me install windows on iteven linux
>>724967174>buy amd
you can build a perfectly fine pc for 700 dollars or so.
>>724967097>>724967174>mid-endNigga what TF is a mid end? The word is mid-range.
>>724966458If you pay for those things you just need to nut up and get a trade bitch
>>724967345on OPS build the 5060 ti alone will cost $500
If you are broke just build a 5060 system
>>724966405If they make this and legit make it actual Windows 11 it will be a strong consideration for a lot of people. I'm surprised Microsoft never went forward with this back in 2014. Making a console/prebuilt PC for 500 bucks would be great actually.
>>724965709Why spend so much on a fish tank and a Rbg for a 5060
>>724966405can you pirate xbox games? i mean, if you can get windows to run on it, that'd be dope. but buying games or subbing to gamepass? yuck!
>>724966301>bitches and moans for 2k usdyou're the third worlder here, you also missed the point of the post entirely, inbred mong
>>724967174AMJeet bros, we need to kindly reinstall our programs. Hence aborting!
>>724967097No PC can max out new games at 4k.
>>724965709AI bros discovered VRAM usage can just spill into RAM.
5060-5060ti is PS5 Pro territory. Do PCpoors really? Just buy a console
lads I'm an idiot do I have to buy a windows usb after upgrading my m.2 ssd? to reinstall windows on the new ssd
>>724965709wanna bet that they're banking some 500$ of that price just from the "AI Ready" label? fuck that shit
>>724965709Ram is 200 bucks now. If it stays like that gaming is gonna get fucked
>>724968268just use a regular usb stick?
>>724968268make a partition on the NVME and use it instead of the USB stick
>>724968320just checked. I have 128gb in my PC, holy fuck the price of it now
>>724966405>98%Not even close. Maybe 40-50%.
>>724968406yeah but how do I put windows on it
>>724968535https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows11?msockid=04168f87140b65e50ab6991d15eb643c
>>724966405Do you Xbox fags get paid with gamepass cards? lol, lmao even if you think I'll spend a cent on Xbox consoles. Their user interface is an advertising hellscape, even if you ignore it you'll get bombarded with "subtle" reminders to rent GamePass DRM, and that's not to mention you don't even get games like Baldur's Gate 3 and Wukong because the platform is small because Microsoft consoles have very little value. Xbox Series X now costs 600 dollars and 800 dollars. The OP's point is the only thing that's agreeable, 2000 dollars for gaming PC is the standard now. The cheapest PC builds have 8GB VRAM which makes them unusable even at 1080p dynanic scaling, lol. Timmy Unreal Engine 5 and NVIDIA monopoly buckbroke PC Vegans. AMD GPU only get support for 4 years on average now too, based as fuck. PC crash in my lifetime again.
>>724965709>>724968201>Literally advertised as AI-readyYour own fault for looking at prebuilts, peasant, but the market will correct itself the same way as it did for GPUs despite all the fearmongering that they would never be affordable again, otherwise iGPUs would have taken over. Gamers Nexus made an entire multi-hour video to shill that FOMO idea.If it doesn't correct itself, do understand that it'll slip to consoles.
>>724968507Ai data centers buying up all the supply so just like when the gtx 30 series came out they are jacking up prices.
>>724965709Bait.The entry-level PC is still 500 bucks.
>>724968213"Just buy a DRM machine">No offline play>Paid online subscription >Ads on home screen>No productivity apps>Bing bang wahoo Netflix Amazon Prime Hulu on frontpage>Maybe 1/5th of the games PC has>Shit performance with stuttering >Forced controllerKek fuck consolpoors
just buy this
>>724968645>Do you Xbox fags get paid with gamepass cards?UOOOOOOOHHHH I'm trying to get a cheap membership before they shut down to experience Halo 5 once. How do I get paid?
>>724968802I got a 14600k for free, granted it was initially a literally-dirty resealed eBay seller scam, it was still under warranty and I could just fake the receipt eBay sellers just eat for some reason.
>>724968079>spends all the money he earnsbabby's first real job, will still be poor when he's nearing 40
>>724965709hmm
>>724965709>mfw I bought a pre-built GTX 1060 with Ryzen 1600 around £700 back in 2018.
>>724968782>>No offline playof course there is>>Paid online subscription$2 per week for a 300+ game library >>Ads on home screennope>>No productivity appsso?>>Bing bang wahoo Netflix Amazon Prime Hulu on frontpagenope it's a different page and you have to install them>>Maybe 1/5th of the games PC hasyes the amazing pc library of indieshit >>Shit performance with stutteringdoesn't happen on the pro. >>Forced controlleror kb/m if you plug it in
>>724969181>deepcoolthat ruined an otherwise nice builddeepcool fans are bottom of the barrel-tier crap, I don't know a single person who owned a deepcool cooler and ended up switching after a year of use due to the fans screeching because of bearing problems
>>724969450I just picked the first which came up in the search. The case is a mini tower and not compatible either.
>>724969450ended up NOT switching*
>>724968802>8gb cardOutdated already. Less vram than a PS5.
>>724969181>>724969450>zotac
>>724967881so pick a 9060 xt
>>724969630It can run anything 1080p
>>724969709my 3090 and a friends 5090 is a zotac. not bad gpus.
>>724967708the tradeschool meme, the same as the just learn to code meme. funny
>>7249698041000 dollars for a 1080p machine? That cant even play GTA 6 or any Nintendo Switch 2 exclusives? Kiss it. I could buy a PS5 and a Switch 2 for that much.
>>724965709>5060ti>32gb ram>low-mid rangethis is unironic bait
>>724969942Best case its mid range. A 5080 can barely run modern games anymore.
>>724969907>Nintendo Switch 2
Just buy this
>>724969709>years ago>buy a zotac 970>it fails>rma it>get another one>it fails>rma it>they feel sorry for me and give me a 1060 6gb instead>it works flawlessly>i end up getting 2 payouts from the 970 lawsuit because i owned 2 of themthank you zotac you are my greatest ally
>>724966458>pay rentwhy dont you own your home?
>>724970078how much did you get, I had 2x PNY 970s but didn't bother claiming
WHY IS ELECTRONICS SO CHEAP IN AMERICA, FUCK OFF AND STOP COMPLAINING!!
>>724965709You don't need RTX 5000 series card. You don't need DDR5 memory. You don't need Ryzen 9000 series CPU.
>>724970130$30 twice i think
Where is the RX9080XT?
>>724969992I dont care that much for it, but I could buy a PS5 and a 120hz 4k tv for 1000 dollars almost.
>>724969630>>724969804The PS5 doesn't have dedicated VRAM, it shares RAM with the system RAM. Meaning, what it takes for graphics can't be used as RAM.
I just built this rig for $405goodbye i5-2600K
>>724970329It has 12.5gb that is dedicated to gaming. Pro has 13.7 and its GDDR6
>>724970230>you don't need to play games>you don't need a PC
>>724970160sales tax isnt included in their list prices. its still cheaper, sure, but not massively so.
>>724969989My 5070ti runs everything at max and never goes above 65 degrees celsius.Are you guys running fucking 8k displays at 1000 fps or something?
>>724970396Any reason you don't understand the concept of unified memory?
>>724970419You can get an RTX 3000 or 4000 series card, DDR4 memory, and a few generations older CPU and be just fine for every single game on the market right now.
>>724968148Ding ding. A 5070ti is high end and the 5080 is aswell. 5090 being a flagship doesn't matter cause its a dogshit card thats overpriced and cant run 4k 60fps on new releases.
>>724966251The purpose is to play video games, sis
>>724970601>buying used / outdated computer partsfuck off
>>724970419the consoles use an underlocked zen 2 cpu and the base ps5 and xbawx have a rpughly rx 6700 tier graphics chip, you really dont need to buy the latest gen pc hardware to keep up or even outperform consoles.
>>724970754You can buy those parts NEW at cheaper prices than retail of latest series hardware. How new are you?
>>724970654>. A 5070ti is highlol no. midrange >5080 still gets beat by a 4090 >5090 can't run 4k 60fps nativeIt can in 95% of my game library. What games can't you run on yours?
>>724970862I'm in a first world country. Nowhere here sells a 30x0 series GPU brand new. lol
>>724970085because the jews bought em all
>check out a few PCs>they have a little comparison that shows what FPS they'll run a few modern games at>most of them are in the hundreds for a 5070ti, sometimes over a thousand for a really light game>except for Borderlands 4 which is listed at 85 fpsI didn't really pay attention to that game's release, does it really run that bad?
>>724970795GPU in a Pro console is a little faster than a 5060 and a little slower than a 5060ti
>>724970961You are full of shit. I just did a search for 3000 series GPU on Newegg and it's there
>>724971056randy told his playerbase to get fucked when borderlands fans complained about the performance lmao
>>724971056The only way you're getting 85fps on BL4 is with framegen.
>>724971174>everyone on the interweb lives in USA fucking retard
>>724971231Newegg is an American electronics store since before you were born, zoomer
>>724971318I know. How many times do I need to spell it out that I don't live in your retarded country?
>>724965709Pre built has gone off the rails. I just built my own top of the line for 2500. You have to wait for sales periods and shop around best buy/walmart/amazon/microcenter/newegg. Do price matching and look for other ways to save a few bucks. Ended up with 3200 dollars worth of parts for 2500.
>>724966405But can it play TF2?
>>7249670974k will never be a standard.People have been trying to play at 4k since they were SLIing Titans 10 years ago.It will always be basically fringe.
>>724965709>$1800 upfront>same amount over 2 yearsThat's surprisingly non-jewish (shit value aside)
everything under a 4090 is dogshit and not worth owning
I'm gonna buy this on black Friday I guess
>>724966405Does it play Guild Wars?
>>724966251biboosex
I'm still happy with my old 3080
>>724971376What's this "I live in a first world country" garbage if you are complaining about not being able to use Newegg or ebay or any of these outlets? Third worldies manage to get budget PCs, what's your excuse?
>>724965709>ryzen 5lol lmao
>>724965709There you go OP cheap budget build play anything.
>>724965709>04746looks cozy
>>724971707>16gb ram in almost 2026lol mao
>>724971607>laptop niggers Just get a desktop.
>>724971707>500 GB SSD This is enough for 2 (two) modern games
>>724965709AMD Ryzen™ 7 5800X3D + AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT 16g + 32gb of ram and you are done for the next 5 years
>>724965709>5060TiMight as well get a Switch if like to wipe your ass with your money.
>>724971661I've got 2x PCs , both with 5090s. What do you have?
>>724972138lol wow
>>724971885it's enough to work, ram prices are fucked right now.>>724971986Yes. honestly a 2tb is only double the price but then the build is almost 900$, just finish your games and uninstall them.
>>724972254>just finish your multiplayer games and uninstall themWhat's next, don't play multiplayer games?
>>724968802why would you pair a 5060 with an i7 and 32gb of expensive ram
Computerfags are the snobbiest most autistic people out there. I just buy a prebuilt once every ~6 years and I can play whatever games I want without being a faggot about it, without having any issues or troubleshooting. I suggest you do the same.
>>724972070am4 x3d chips are retard expensive at most retailers now
>>724972375friendslop can range from 5 gb to 100gb, if you mean something like marvel rivals shrug pick one multiplayer game you want on ssd, install lower prio stuff on HDD.
>>724966251Based
>>724971932Too much workAnd I don't plan to stay in one place for my entire life
>>724972541>they jumped from 170$ to almost 350$I hate this timeline.
>>724966405>graphics that are 98% as goodAnd a framerate that's 33% as good.
>>724972667you can just move the desktop anon, unless you travel for work a lot which if you do just buy a steam deck.
>>724972172I've got an RTX 3070 and a 10th gen Intel CPU. I can run every game no problem
>>724972678well what are you gonna do, they dont manufacture them anymore. supply and demand o algo
>>724972745120fps in cawadooty is enough
>>724972982>8gb vramhopemyou enjoy looking at mud textures i guess
>>724972982 at 720p maybe
>>724965709capitalism
meanwhile im here with my $800 Ryzen 5 5600 + 32GB RAM + RX 6600 playing any game at 1080p maxed out or 1440p mid-high settings.>inb4 1080pit's low-mid range we're talking about, and 1080p maxed out or 1440p mid settings is what low-mid range is.
>>724968025>I'm surprised Microsoft never went forward with thisIm not, they would have lost their walled garden and it would just be a glorified steambox
>>724973427And what fps exactly?
>>724973427>1080pwhy even go past 1080p
>>724973427>rx 6600>1080p maxed outif you only play pre 2018 games then sure
>>724972870Traveling on a plane with a desktop is a bad idea.
>>724973185I run everything at 1440p. Fuck 4k
>>724973581nah, i have a 5700xt ad i play most games at 1080p with medium or high setting, i can’t touch UE5 games trough.
should I buy a used 3080 system for $800? Just wanna play bf6 at 1440p
>>724973124OP just wants a PC to work and run games, who gives a toss about detail of mud?
>>724972667Sounds like adhd
>>724970010
>>724966405you're paying 500 dollars to play games at the same resolution as a ps2 25 years ago, got the same framerates and everything
>>724965709Could easily shave off $500 from that without losing too much performance. That ugly case + setup adds probably $200 to the price. Either way you can definitely make a great 1080p or perhaps even 1440p machine if you don't mind upscaling and frame gen for around $1000, and there's always the option to upgrade later.
>>724973692lol no you don't. >on low settings
>>724973593good thing you can send it to you another way if you are moving countries.
>>72497354960>>724973559personally i dont NEED more>>724973581i said any gamethe only caveat is "any" doesnt mean "all"if a game includes OPTIONAL RT when maxed out, obviously that stays off cause AMDand i am excluding any game that runs like shit on any system due to bad optimization, i.e. a game that runs at barely reaches 70fps at 1440p on a 5080 will obviously not run decently on my PC, but that is not the fault of my system, cause it running that bad in a near top of the line GPU it's clearly a game optimization issue
>>724969989>can barely run modern games anymore.>card released this yearStop being blatantly retarded on purpose please.
>>724970963Just inherit a house.
>>724972870>>724973593>>724974275Inserting myself in this conversation. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DKN9M1W9 I just shove my entire full-tower PC into my trunk and bring THAT screen with me. It's not a recommendation, the colors are terrible and look like SDR. Upping the saturation doesn't fix it. The 144hz doesn't make up for it, you're better off going with something cheaper. But, I don't regret going for 1440p. At least in THAT respect, maybe as a byproduct of the resolution, it looks sharp enough for my needs. Imagine being that fag who keeps their PC at home turned on just to stream to their phone.>Magic packets!!Every miniscule movement gets misinterpreted as one.
<--- bought a MacBook just to play runescapeit really is that simple bros
how much could you build a 5060ti system for $1000?
>>724975268esl moment
>>724975268Probably about $1000
>>724975268https://www.bestbuy.com/product/skytech-gaming-skytech-shadow4-amd-ryzen-7-5700-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-16g-32gb-3200-mhz-ddr4-sdram-650w-gold-psu-black/J3GW8HKCJ9just put 150$ more
>>724975268you could build it but maybe just buy amd
>>724975268https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V4MnYdBasic bitch system, you can even grab cheaper case or PSU but those will last you a decade. You can upgrade the storage to 2TB or buy it later.
>>724965709Just wait for the sales in a month or so retard
<-- puts together PC part picker list<-- tries to order the parts.<-- website declines card and bank freezes my accountlike clockwork!
>>724976261>Peerless AssasinWhew! Another one. I hate how stupid they are with refusing to paint the fins the same color as the the rest, but I also like their performance to the point of buying two. They scratch like crazy, though. If you didn't install it cleanly in one go, you're going to find deep scratches when the time comes to change thermal paste.
>>724968782>Just buy a DRM machinet. Win11 user with five hundred games on steam
>>7249668345070 ti can run 4K DLSS quite comfortably.>inb4 fake resolutionYes, but it's very close to 4K while running like 1200p so it's absolutely worth it.
>>724976465They have to cut the cost somewhere, it's $35.Fans are also not the best and might get loud sooner rather than later but other than that great cooler.It's not like you look inside your PC if you are playing games.
I will not buy a $1,000 brick for a $3,000 soul drainer.the gaming desktop is where the soul goes to die.
>>724966251I hate that this is probably going to be the answer due to gaming companies eating costs on the parts
I don't know shit about PC parts there are a million and I have no clue what the differences areLike I thought picking a GPU would be simple, there's only so many, from two companies and only 1 or two gens is relevant at any timeAnd then I went to pick and it turns out there's like a million different kinds of each GPU by different companies or something, I don't even know.
>>724976863bigger number more powersmaller number less power
>>724977536Why do you guys omit so much and try to trick people into thinking things are much easier than they actually are?The issue that no one mentioned is there are sixty fucking two fucking different priced results for one goddamn number.
>>724976612No, it looks like shit
>>724978040you've never tried dlss at 4k so how would you know. probably still on a 1080p ips monitor.
>>724977990those are just different manufacturers all using the exact same chip. the only difference is in cooling potential and warranties if you are a burger.
>>724968213>Buy PS5 PROFESSIONAL >8th gen games still locked 30fpstop kek, imagine buying a new gpu and you had to wait for devs to unlock the framerate or give you a remaster.
>>724978040>No, it looks like shitDLSS P-B-Q at 4k looks better than literally anything you can get at 1440p. by saying it looks like shit, you are saying that everyone at 1080p and 1440p is playing something that looks even worse than shit
>>724966251>no games>no mods for games>paid online>bricks itself if you say the nigger word
>>724978148>probably still on a 1080p ips monitor.NoThe fake stuff looks like shit, dunno what else to say. Sure it got a lot better since it got introduced but still it's the same shtick with each version>WOW DLSS IS LIKE MAGIC IT'S GOOD NOW!!!>>724978369Just not a fan of the ghosting/smudges while also enabling shitty optimization
>>724966405I'd rather pay like $300 more for the PC experience
How much should I save up for a 1440p gaming beast?
>>724966405>graphics that are 98% as good You mean 50%. At 30fps. With 1% lows below 20fps.
>>724965709That's cheaper than just my gpu
So hard drive prices are ridiculously fucked right now, is it the same for SSD prices? I didnt follow them like I did hard drives prices for the past year (prices 2.4 times higher than exactly 1 year ago and continuing to rise!) so I wouldn't know
>>724969181>WD green
>>724978907HDD and RAM prices got fucked by AI.Try looking at external enclosures with pre-installed drives those can still be reasonably priced. SSD prices should soon follow.
>>724978661youd want a cpu/gpu combo of 9070 xt + 7800x3d which is 900 usd. then you need a case, psu, 32gb ddr5, a mobo and an ssd, so probably 350 usd more to get the passable parts. so youre gonna be spending at least 1250 usd (plus tax).
>>724965709Just build your own it's really not that hard, pick a build you like online and buy the parts it's way cheaper that way.
>>724979217>>724978907Didn't RAM get expensive as well?
>>724979391Yes, I've mentioned that.But at least in Yourope it's not as bad as in Burgerstates.
the pc you have right now is the last you'll be able to afford.
>>724965709I secured a decent pc for $700
>>724979519I secured a nice Rolex for $50
>>724979504Accidentally deleted the last part of my post, but it's kinda weird to have gpus not being fucked and then it's something else.Guess this shit will never stop
A 5070ti is all you need. Don't fall for the meme of anything higher.
>>724978545No games is a fun comment that always gets a smile out of me. While sure you’ll get fewer indies on Xbox and PlayStation most of the fotm ones eventually find there way, Enshrouded and Last Epoch for example. Either console (Switch excluded) gets the vast majority of games released today that matter. What you mean you say is you being pc gamer don’t have a reason to play elsewhere, valid but look at it like this. Someone with no Steam account or pc is going to find a console the most frictionless way to play most games as pretty much everyone already has a tv all they need is the box. When you look at mainstream games there’s very little only pc gets.Subscription for online play is annoying considering how much of our daily lives are controlled by the internet, movies, tv, music and in many ways games. If Microsoft is able to shed it successfully in the future that might apply pressure to Sony and Nintendo but I’m not overly optimistic. Essentials was the only tier I used and found it pretty good but Premium for time limited trials was a skip. I will likely pick up another ps5 or Steam Deck this holiday after a disastrous switch to Xbox earlier this year, no Steam account or pc so I’m on the fence considering I’m not a fan of indies or metroidvanias. Megabonk looks as bad as Terraria did but that was on a big screen maybe it would be more tolerable on a small one.Mods are nice for sure but I rarely beat a game and feel the need to replay it simply because of mods, they are fun for texture swaps and in some cases extending a game’s length (Xcom) but usually move on by then.Also individual games can ban you but I’ve only heard of extreme cases where charge banks occurred getting your account nuked. Again account not the machine, Steam I’m sure has account banned ppl in the past for one reason or another. Is it that hard to not be a dick online? Steams refund policy is top tier though all digital storefronts should aim to mirror it.
>>724980585nobody cares nerd
can i jusrt use AI to make a good 1440P PC?
>>724980942yes saar
>>724979314>7800x3dwhat about a 9600X?
>>724980585most of the popular games being played now don't even require you to pay to use your internet for them. anything f2p on console doesn't need a sub, which probably helps those f2p games become as popular as they are. paid online is a literal ea sports/cod tax. the only thing good locked behind it is like messages in souls games but sony had a free weekend when shadow of the erdtree came out which was pretty nice of them.
>>724980942Do it faggot, what could go wrong.
>>724965709>AI ready>>724968802AI poweredWhat actually does this mean? I feel like it's meaningless and everyone knows it is, but who are they tricking?
>>724981006might as well go for 7500f if you wanna penny pinch.
>>724980585> Someone with no Steam account or pc is going to find a console the most frictionless way to play most gamesI'll give you that but if you game regularly and care about gaming, odds are you aren't going to be satisfied with "mainstream" games. Games I spend the most of my time on are ones that can't even work without a keyboard and mouse or a setup with trackpads and custom key bindings like a steam deck.
>>724965709maybe things will be differ...
>>724981575Means it has Nvidia GPU inside. It's cheap marketing like saying "HDR" or "GSYNC" on the box despite the monitor only having 400 nits of brightness and only adaptive sync.
>refuse to buy AMD for years despite them being objectively better value>"Why are gaming PC's so expensive now????"I swear Nvidia's dominance is the greatest advertising case study the world has ever seen.
>>724982063You can't even buy AMD most of the time. They either have no stock or prebuilts don't include them at all. Intel/Nvidia have the OEM game on lockdown while AMD is all custom gaming consoles.
>>724982063amd hasnt even tried to compete in price since the rx 480 anyway fag, for almost a decade their tactic was to release a shittier card for 50 dollars less. this poor unfairly treated victim amd bullshit is nonsense, everyone dropped intel for amd when they started delivering with ryzen. amd just isnt innovating with gpus.
>>724982063As a AyyMD user I can tell you they are just as bad as noVideo.We are simply unlucky that CryptoBoom got followed by AI boom.
>>724982336>>724982539Case in point.>>724982473In the real world they've consistently been far, far more than $50 cheaper at retail for the past half a decade. Usually $100-$200 on a performance matched card.
>>724981890I'm so glad I bought my baby with 9800x3d and 5070ti at the perfect time. 5 years of peace.
>>724968508>>724972745>>724974059>>724978647>>724978708It should be illegal to let the mentally handicapped such as yourselves browse the internet at all.If you were scammed or are too retarded to build a PC that's your issue.A skill issue, if you will.https://youtu.be/WyxLun2H_Cc?t=416
>>7249820637000 series was overpriced as fuck, terrible at RT and upscaling and now is getting fucked by AMD with no FSR4 support.Why the fuck would anyone trust AMD after this? Especially when they said themselves that next gen will be a big overhaul again meaning their new RT/FSR tech won't work on current gen.
>>724983051I'm not a pathetic poorfag that would game on some 500$ trash.
>in shit european country where tech is expensive as fuck>still managed to setup a 1440p build that runs everything for 1000 eurIf you're in the us, you have no excuse
>>724982063AMD were only better value if you looked at it in the short term. In the RX5000-6000 days AMD's cards provided raster parity at approximately 10% discount. However over the years those cards fell behind, because they're>stuck on FSR2 while the competitor cards get all the newest DLSS upgrades (the quality difference here amounts to an entire resolution tier honestly)>are really bad at raytracing (which is only becoming more prevalent)>don't get new features (FSR4 is locked to RX9000-only)>direct driver support ends a lot quicker than the competitorsso when you look at it in the long term, those AMD cards are worse value. Having a better architecture and long term feature support matters more than a 10% discount at the day of purchase. There's a reason why the RX5700XT sells for half the money of a RTX2070S on the used market, even though it was supposedly better than the RTX card back in the day. Those cards aged like shit, and there's no value in that.Now the RX9070XT? That's a good card and if it's found at MSRP it's obviously a better buy than the alternative RTX5070Ti.
>>724983242Yeah this shit really blows my mind sometimes. Those countries are supposedly 5x richer and they can't afford basic shit.
>>724972534No thanks Mr shekelberg
Nvidia GPUs just flood the market. Even Gamers Nexus did a video about it. For every AMD card there's like 5 Nvidia.
Do you guys not live near a Microcenter?
>>724966251You can't play EU5 on PS5 you dumb nigger
>>724971607>OLED laptopthat sound retarded. On a PC, swapping the screen is trivial, on a laptop you're fucked
>>724983242>>724983425the difference is that you are probably adult men with jobs. the east european poorfag debuff still overcomes being an underage/neetfag american like most /v/edditors.
>>724983339>>are really bad at raytracing (which is only becoming more prevalent)good enough for lumen, which seems to be the ubiquitous form of raytracing going forward. not that I like lumen at all.
>>724983051>2060hell you can even get a 3060 for the same price advertised in that video and it's got 12GB of vram, the same level as a 5070, which is just mind boggling>>724983205everyone has to start out somewhere, the first gpu that I ever bought with my own money was a GT710, now I have a 5090
>>724983425>Those countries are supposedly 5x richer and they can't afford basic shit.it's called basic economy, prices are adjusted according to wages, money in and money out, you can make 5x more in another country but things are usually 5x more expensive, that's why there's many expats who work for big money in another country and then go back to their home country to spend all their money
>>724983684PC parts are more expensive in Europe.
>>724966251please don't shitpost with the rock child
>>724983339At the time, AMD was consistently releasing FSR 1-3 universally regardless of platform. They only fell back to Nvidia's strategy of locking FSR 4 to the platform because having consistent universal support proved to not fucking matter to retarded gamers.I don't know in what universe someone concerned about software support for their card and not getting new features would have bought Nvidia over AMD, during a period where every single Nvidia generation had locked new features that could run on older cards but did not. That is just insane and retarded.
>>724983761true, but you can also buy a far bigger and better house for half the price than some cardboard shitbox in USA and it's not situated in some nigger hellhole. yes, wages aren't everything, economy is complicated, but in an average scope in countries where wages are higher you can also expect things to be more expensive.
>>724983425Standard of living in Poland improved drastically in the past 20 years.Standards of living in US got worse.
>>724983832>They only fell back to Nvidia's strategy of locking FSR 4 to the platform because having consistent universal support proved to not fucking matter to retarded gamers.They fell back to that strategy because creating a good ML upscaler that performs well requires having dedicated on-board hardware, and FSR was always going to be a shit while it remained just a bunch of cheap shader tricks without on-board hardware. Universal support does not matter when it's shit - why should I care if someone is handing out free stuff if the stuff is garbage and I'm better off using the good stuff I paid for?
>>724965709>AI ready
>>724984000Because an open-solution that's slightly worse is significantly better for everyone than a locked-down proprietary hellscape, but you have the foresight of a fucking third grader so you don't care.
>>724984081>slightly worselmao who are you trying to fool, yourself?
>>724984081Evidently reality does not agree with you, seeing as everyone now universally knows old FSR was cheap trash and new FSR4 (the locked-down proprietary hellscape version) is significantly better. Old FSR being shit is a big part of what caused endless hordes of people to ditch AMD and swap to Nvidia, and new FSR4 being very good might just win people back. Maybe AMD could've kept all its customers had they just immediately invested in hardware accelerated features like FSR4 instead of coping with a significantly worse solution like old FSR.>slightly worseIt was significantly worse.>but you have the foresight of a fucking third graderIncredible lack of self awareness.
>>724984308FSR4 is still worse than DLSS4 even if it's a big improvement. 9000 series was selling good for a while because Nvidia cards were simply not available at all or selling at 2x MSRP.
>>724984308>of what caused endless hordes of people to ditch AMD and swap to NvidiaAMD was dead in the water well before that, and I never heard an actual person cite that as a reason. It was just pandered around by shills on forums like this.>Incredible lack of self awareness.No, you retarded faggot. You actively support blatant monopolistic practices for short term gain because you are a double-digit IQ subhuman.
>>724984078is this the new marketing trick to get people to pay more
What games are you unable to play on a 4060 to a console standard of quality? Or hell, on a laptop 4060? Presumably there are some but I genuinely can't think of any
>>724984081It's not slightly worse. FSR 2/3 Quality mode at 4k, so 1440p to 4k upscaling, looks significantly worse than DLSS Ultra performance mode (720p to 4k).It's absolute rancid dogshit.
>buy a decent used pc>send it to clean it, new thermal paste and new pc case>install bazzite os since it's free>get a cheap gaming pcit worked for me
>>724984829>send it to clean it, new thermal paste and new pc caseare you retarded or something?
>>724984650nogwarts legacy and other games that need more than 8gb vram to enable non-horrendous textured
>>724984453RX 7000 series was dead on arrival with no DLSS competitor. AMD marketshare dropped to like 5% lmao.
>>724984650UE5 slop. DLSS quality at 1440p is 1707x960 or less than 1080p. Xbox Series S is not a good standard to hold up to.
>new stuff comes out>buy it>sell old stuffthere you go, you just effectively 'reduced' the cost of the new stuff by 50%+
>>724984427>FSR4 is still worse than DLSS4Doesn't matter. All FSR4 needs to be is something that is at least good enough that you as an AMD user don't feel like the other side has it way better. This was the problem with old FSR, new FSR4 is good enough that this isn't a problem.
>>724967097>Mid end is anything less than the very best 4k 120fps ultra settingfucking retard. ACTUAL mid end PCs can be built for under $1000 with a $200 6650xt GPU>>724965709built my first PC last year for $1200 from scratch. no excuse
>>724984940That's not S standard. Base PS5/Series X uses FSR 2/3 from 360p-800p or some shit in UE5 games.Not comparable at all to DLSS Q at 1440p.
>>724984916what is wrong?a pc can overheat if it's full of dust and the thermal paste old and dry.
>he hasn't seen ram prices go upoh nonono
>>724984937Not him but RDNA3 was terribly priced.If they can't compete on performance and features they have to lower their prices.I hope UDNA won't be another repeating of the history.
>>724985394PS5 and Pro are getting FSR4 soon and already use PSSR for some games.FFXVI quality mode is 1440p upscaled to 4k on PS5. That's still better than 1707x960 or LESS THAN 1080p.
why do you need a powerful computer? to play worse console ports? is assfaggots that demanding?
>>724965709>prebuiltyou are a nigger
>>724980585>LLM reply retarded faggots answer to earnestly
