Time to go public goy.
>>724967915the 28% aren't thinking
New spam just dropped
In one day you've spammed the same article several times and that's because people keep pointing out that the people behind the data have a complete conflict of interest with them trying to run their own storefront
>>724968226schizo take your fucking meds
>>724967915Steam isn't a monopoly but the games industry would be a lot better if it was.
>>724967915steam is the monopoly we all wanted.unless you can provide me with a way to have access to all my vidya through a single app, with 1 way to pay, i dont want it.
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>>724968529I'd rather a platform that's DRM free surpasses Steam
>>724967915There's nothing wrong with this when the company doing it is doing a good job, jews just want to split us apart and get you to install 12 different launchers so they can all mine and sell your info, like streaming services do
>>724968612Daily reminder what when you see anyone trying to push the "steam monopoly" thing, it's ALWAYS a shill post without exception.
fake moot should really range ban all of india already
Hindu games store thread. Take some cow dung cakes on your way in:https://m.youtube.com/shorts/xuvjj9S9gUk
>>724967915It can't be a Monopoly if it has competition. Granted, shitty competition, but competition nonetheless.
>>724967915>go publickill yourself. the quarterly earnings treadmill is among the worst things that plague mankind right now
>>724968529reminder that TV piracy shot straight up into orbit after the streaming wars fragmented everything by requiring people to get 5 subscriptions to watch 5 different shows
>>724967915>"only">pc gamer article
>>724949836>>724963157Why is this allowed?
>>724968612>>724968717picalso, gog exists and is perfectly viable
>>724968717Alright, buy from GoG and stop buying from Steam.
>>724967915>Most of the developers surveyed were C-suite level.Nice of the article to include this little tidbit so early on so that we can dismiss that meme survey right away.
@grokwho funded and supplied this results to this study??
>>724967915Steam has plenty of competition, gamers simply choose to use Steam. For example, I never bought nor will I buy Alan Wake 2 because it is not available on Steam
steam's gonna have to increase their revshare cut to 40% to start lobbying.
>>724968529This is why I hate people who complain about Steam. If Steam is a monopoly then it puts the arguments in favor that monopolies are a good thing. Look at streaming like that other anon said. 5-10 services for shows spread around requiring you the consumer to get fucked and pay more. No thanks, I like Steam and Im glad gaming didn't go that direction.
>>724968781>person constantly wanking steam nonstop calling someone else a shill
Monopolies hurt everyone. As a gamer I'm a against Valve's anti-consumer monopoly even if I respect Gaben's contributions to gaming as a whole. Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
the correct solution is for game distribution to be built on an open standardideally anyone should be able to make a launcher that feels native that can download directly from any storefrontand open standard would also make it possible for individual developers and publishers to self-distribute if they wantyou could even create new business models that only handle hosting and distribution and not salesit should be possible to move purchases from one store to another for a service fee to cover future server costs
Steam is the only marketplace that supports Linux. That's not Valve's fault.
>>724971370>the correct solution is for game distribution to be built on an open standardit's called the internet, or more specifically bittorrent.
>>724970190these disingenuous fags spend all day whining about Valve instead of Google and Microsoft who abuse their near-monopoly status by making everything worse. It's crazy.
>>724971614you need more than that.you need standards around metadata, how drm gets handled, the compression schemes, local data storage, cloud save standards etc.old scene rules are interesting because they were an early form of such standards.we can do better now.
>>724972027>you need more than that.you really don't
>>724972061you do. and i think valve should be the company that takes the lead.many people see valve as a benevolent monopoly, but that could all change overnight with one dead gaben.
>>724971535This.You can't bitch about someone else having a monopoly and then refuse to even offer support to everyone in the market like your competitor does.
>>724971972Its how you know they're being funded by Timmy Tencent and the Big Dick Shareholders.How DARE a PRIVATE COMPANY hold such UNFAIR and INDISPUTABLE CHOKEHOLD on the market?! How DARE them to NOT be making the minimum viable product possible and give ALLLL THE REST OF THE PRRRROOCEEEEEEYYYDS to the SHAYYREHOULDERS!?!?!?!!!!!BE PUBLICLY TRADED OR DIE!!!
>digital distribution platform Rokky's survey finds that digital distribution platform Steam is evilYes. Yes. Another Tim Sweeney. Get out of here.
>>724967989Too busy counting their paycheck from valve
>>724968529LMAO PC gaming is COOKED
>>724973608Never thought I'd live to see the day of unironic steam dick suckers on /v/
>>724967915The only people who care about Steam being a monopoly are salty retards running failed storefronts (i.e. EGS) who can't figure out what gamers want.
>>724973608> How DARE them to NOT be making the minimum viable product possible and give ALLLL THE REST OF THE PRRRROOCEEEEEEYYYDS to the SHAYYREHOULDERS!?!?!?!!!!!It's funny to think that a lot of Steam's dominance probably comes down to its private owners being content to lay back and have it generate a shit load of money for them, as opposed to being legally mandated to maximize shareholder value by generating infinite profite increases on a quarterly basis.
>>724975302The first thing Epic Game Store did when they came to be, was to buy Rocket League so they'd abandon Steam and be an Epic exclusive.They didnt make the game, they didnt have anything with its development, they just came in, gave a wad of cash and tried to establish a walled garden console-like exclusivity scheme and thought people would just bend over and take it.I dont buy from EA Origin because they pulled games, I dont buy from UPlay because they pulled games, for as long as I care, if a game is an Epic Game Store Exclusive, its not out on PC. Period.
>>724975665Sorry I couldn't hear anything with that cock in your mouth
>>724975709Eh, its a pretty good cock. Nice, girthy and full of gaymes.How about yours?
>>724975872I'm not a faggot lmao
>>724975924The Epic microdick you keep taking in the ass says otherwise.Maybe its too small for you to feel.. is that why you're so angry? Need a nice, footlong Steamy dick instead?
>>724968717That's the devs choice not steams
>>724968529I don't want accounts at all. I want everything to come on physical disks with no online storefront or DRM included.
>>724975302>can't believe the market isn't running to inferior productsI have blaze, uplay, battle.net, microsoft and the epic store on my computer because corporations mandated it to play certain games I like. Every one of those is objectively worse than steam in everything except download speed (which is almost negated by local steam distribution letting me download from my roomates/family rather than an off-network server).Steam isn't perfect but I'm not being told to use an inferior product just because you think it's too popular. We already had a decade+ of companies trying to force their store and they almost all broke and moved to steam because they couldn't hack it. Want to take a larger share of the market? Make a better product. Until then stop shilling and acting like I made this decision because I had no other options.
>>724968529Is this how goyim act? Ever since the DT fiasco I haven't given valve a single cent so being this spread out is only natural.After valve banned majogami I am also being forced to spread myself into consoles once more as well.
>>724975872>Nice, girthy and full of gaymes.Given I can't play otaku stuff on steam like DT2 or majogami, and can't even play porn on it without going through the humiliation ritual of buying an axe wounded game and then getting a mod from the devs to fix it, it sounds like a tranny dildo more than a proper cock.
>>724975302they have been a thing for a while, almost a decade by now even, how are you noticing just now?their faggotry makes me want to see the fatso kick the bucket so steam goes public, they already went full mudslime kike banning jp games and even bikinis altogether so im not losing out on much when it inevitably happens
>>724976793Blame Visa.Or was it Mastercard?If you wanna fight a monopoly, thats the one fighting against anime.
>>724977024I can buy majogami on even the NoA westoid eshop anon, it's a T rated game.This is 100% on valve being good goyim and attacking japan unprompted.Also I will remind you DLsite already made their own payment processor yet steam refuses to even try.Guess gabe is too busy having an epstein party on his yacht fleet to give a shit.
>>724971972Google is, surprisingly, not the one censoring Teen-rated Japanese games just because they contain "problematic" fanservice. Their app store has loads of risque gacha games, whereas you can't even put console games less than a decade ago on Steam.
>>724967915For something to be a monopoly they need to be able to dictate prices with no alternatives or be the sole producer of something or some other kind of "unfair" advantage.Steam isn't a monopoly, anyone can compete with steam and undercut on price right now, developers can also list on other stores at the same time as steam and 1 person in their basement could create a steam competitor.
>>7249679154chan is a monopoly on image boards
>>724968717What's your Gog name? I'll gift you a free game and we can play together.
>>724977125>whereas you can't even put console games less than a decade ago on Steam.> less than a decade ago this was supposed to release on steam 5 days ago tho
>>724967915Monopoly on PC games market is a retarded concept. Steam has to compete with piracy. Pirates provide free service, and torrent trackers require barely any resources to run.
>>724977240ironically enough this is not even true anymore because the sharty shithole has like 50% of the activity this jeet latrine has, so the "marketshare" for imageboards is barely 60% 4chan once you account for the gorillion alt chans on top of the 30-25% the sharty has
>>724967915those 72% are retards
mid to late 2000's pc gaming was genuinely great because there was no monopoly ruining everything, steam's biggest sin was killing gfwl and all the other stores
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>>724977704>steam's biggest sin was killing gfwl and all the other storesI would expand it to steam killing physical PC games in the west in general.Thanks to that 90% of the bullshit in modern times (vidya industry wise) happened.I would also add shit like paid updates (DLC), popularizing lootboxes, telling the industry that GAAS style slop was more profitable and thus making everyone pivot into making the next dota2/TF2 and eventually the next fortnite, and now mod DRM, but most if not all can be traced to killing physical PC games.
What makes it a monopoly?Every game I can think of is also released on Epic.
>>724977925i wish i could go back in time amd prevent valve from doing those things, 2025 without all that crap would be amazing
>>724967915i dont care about developers seething about their failed storefronts that nobody wants to use
>>724968370Retard.
>>724977601Those numbers are pretty close to the 'super monopoly' numbers that people throw around for steam and gog/epic
>Most of the developer surveyed were C-suite levelSo... not game developers?
>>724977925>I would expand it to steam killing physical PC games in the west in generalThis. A lot of modern PC cases don't even have a slot for a disc drive.
>>724978125i said 60%, not 95%
>>724977120Oh its Valve's fault!Its not the fault of the guys who made Dlsite become their own payment processor because they got cut off for selling anime games from E-rated to X-rated!And its certainly not the fault of the guys who almost got Manga Library Z closed by refusing to process their payments. Its their fault really, for wanting to make some cash on old rare perfectly SFW manga, they should do something worthwhile instead like distributing new, American comics!Yeah you're right. Its Valve's fault for not wanting to lose the one way they can be paid for their service. Its not the fault of the duopoly that just decided they think all anime is perverted, and the world would be better without it.
>>724978339Oh my bad, if you wanted to talk about porn games you should mention the stats for the DLsite games :)
>>724978446>Oh its Valve's fault!when valve is not even pretending to fight back? they are an accomplice with no plausible deniability
I accidentally bought and played XIII on Steam even though I already own it on GOG because I haven't looked at my GOG library in so long I forgot
>>724976185Tell that to almost every major game publisher to have a crowd laughing at you.
Let's say it's actually an monopoly for a moment, what's 1 (one) solution to the problem.
>>724978572For all we know, if Valve decides to fight back we'll only notice in ten years or so.Microsoft decided to be cute and make the Microsoft Store in 2012, and try to make Windows versions that are fully locked to the store in the same year. We're only seeing the fruits of Valve fighting against that now.When-if Valve decides to do something against the Visa-Mastercard duopoly, we'll only see something starting to form in 2030 if we're lucky.Because what CAN they do right now? Fight back and get cut off by the two guys who handle 70% of all the money on the planet?
>>724978938Have the government come swinging in and break up Valve with no compensation.
>>724978938Split up the country the same way ISPs do. If you live in a certain county you only get Steam, otherwise you only get Epic
>>724979038Into what? How many parts are we talking about? What companies are going to be borne from this?>>724979094Ah yes, because the American Cable Company model is something to strive for.
>>724978938Saudis acquire Walmart (even PCf*ts go outside for groceries)
>>724969356here, have a higher res one
Steam has a de-facto monopoly. As in: if you don't launch on steam, your game is doomed.But the funny thing is, this was and still is enforced by gamers, not Valve.
>>724979174>Into what?into nothing>What companies are going to be borne from this?Epic and GOGyes i'm trolling
>>724968717You mean like Steam? You can easily put your game DRM free on Steam, Valve won't for you to use DRM. It's purely on the publisher.
>>724979404Steam is DRM, drone
>>724978989>Westoids need a decade and the biggest vidya company to do what a niche japanese company could do in half a year.Goddamn grim.
>>724970190Steam isnt a monopoly though. You can sell your game on any platform, steam also isnt forcing exclusivity deals. Epic is the only platform that does (not including activision that sells their games only on their platform, thats not a monopoly)
>>724979404Account based DRM is still DRM
>>724979515It's still technically a monopoly if a single company dominates a market, it doesn't have to mean that they achieved this monopoly by nefarious methods
>>724979382> Two years after Steam was broken into many companies....... Its how you know they're being funded by Timmy Tencent and the Chinese Shareholders.How DARE a POLISH COMPANY hold such UNFAIR and INDISPUTABLE CHOKEHOLD on the market?! How DARE GOG to be the one storefront everyone goes to?? How DARE all these devs tweet about how 96% of all their ales comes from GOG?!?!?BE CHINESE OR DIE!!!
>>724979598Monopoly implies there is no other option. Steam literally cannot have a monopoly. Most games are sold across 2+ storefronts (steam, GoG, epic, whatever publisher store exists ubilive,battle.net etc)Are you thinking of consoles who dont have any different stores or platforms?
>>724979746Near-monopoly then, sillyhead
>>724979554okay, how do you expect people to pay for your product? by your definition anyone paying for your product using a bank account is going through an account based DRM, even paying by cash is an account based DRM because you as an individual are an account separate from others, it's all DRM all the way down, just make your own website and sell your game with an online CD-key verification system.
>>724979746when 99% of the sales on PC happen on steam, steam has an effective monopolywhy the fuck are steamgoys so terrified of accepting reality?
>>724979448Yep.What I'm really hoping is that the game monopoly Steam has becomes a duopoly between them and DLsite in the future.Because fuck EGS.
>>724979357Solve this imaginary problem. Pitch solutions
>>724979890i would rather have gaming in the west die entirely and for japan to be the only profitable region
>>724979847But you can just not buy on steam, you can buy the game on a different platform. How is it a monopoly if you can buy it elsewhere?
>>724967915no, they're not. no other storefront has wanted to compete. just selling games it not being a competitor
>>724979945As long as EGS can suck a cock, I'm with you.
>>724967915Damn bro I didn't know that no other store sells video games, that's crazy
>>724968529Why can't I just fire the .exe from my desktopYou know, like I did back in 2002Why do I have to log into your gay social media and ad vehicle
>>724967915>Social features>Achievements>Robust controller support with remapping>Windows/Linux/Mac>Big Picture Mode>Mod supportSteams not perfect, UI could be more responsive and modern. Personally I prefer PlayNite as a launcher. But no competitors are doing all of the above. Most of the other launchers are tied to a single publisher.
>>724980169Game publishers would rather kill themselves than release games without DRM.
Monopoly: when people prefer one service?
>>724980169Use GOG
>have a functional platform that nobody else seems to have been able to copy for 20 fucking years>win by default
>>724980169>Why can't I just fire the .exe from my desktopyou can, it's called piracy, like Gaben said - piracy is a service problemyou're completely entitled to dislike steam as a service and the lack of physical ownership, just because millions of others bend their knee doesn't mean you have to
I'll never leave steam cause my gamer score is there :)
>>724980376We need legal intervention immediately
>>724980395>you can, it's called piracy, like Gaben said - piracy is a service problemPiracy is not a service problem.Piracy is a quality problem.Making games that are good enough to make people feel bad for pirating and even jump through bullshit VPN hoops to buy through DLsite/the jp nintendo eshop is the true way to beat piracy and have lifelong loyal gamers.
>>724980418It's hard to blame everything on Valve when people who unironically stand by this are a big reason for Steam's monopoly
>>724979801Someone call the justice department lmao
>>724980418My cheevos
>>724980580>>724980580Write a solution to the monopoly. Any suggestions? What would you change to legally stop people from access a platform to purchase games.
name one other storefront that does this
>>724980542I don't feel bad for pirating good games, give me a physical copy ffs, sd cards are cheap as fuck nowadays and can store more than your game should ever take up, I don't even bother pirating shit games, fuck I'd even take CDs for indie devs and their smaller games, I will never be more inclined to pay for a rental license that can be taken away from me at any time vs a physical copy that I can install 30 years in the future when society has collapsed and all I have is my bunker and my computer
>>724967915nothing steam does is anti-competitive though. >not squeezing out smaller corporations>not signing exclusivity contracts>not forcing people to use their service>not undercutting or price gouging>not intentionally taking losses to bankrupt other companies>don't force you to buy from their store>you can add non-steam games to steam if you wanttheir only advantages is being consumer-friendly and having an established platform (huge)
>>724979956You can just not use google and you can just not use windows, but they are still monopolies
>>724980542>Piracy is a quality problem.The sheer quantity of random crap people will buy off steam sales without even playing suggests this is not in fact true. Gabe was seriously on the money that if you made your digital storefront vastly more convinient than piracy, than metric shit loads of people would be too lazy to bother with piracy. So it probably says a lot a lot about people who are pissed off about being "forced" to use Steam DRM, but who can't be arsed to just pirate the games they want.
>>724969313Gookmoot takes payoffs to give bot farms access to 4chan
>>724981349in the recent sticky fiasko it was pretty much confirmed that the sites admins are partially responsible for botting 4chan
>>724980819Honestly I'd love for PC games to come on real disks again but I'm pretty sure computers (pre built since we have to imagine a drooling retard as the base) don't come with disk drives anymore. Personally I built mine with one and thats because Im probably one of five people who still burns media but certainly the average person doesnt
>>724967915Why is Darksiders always featured in Steam store screenshots but the games sold like shit?
If GOG had the same level of catalog and a good launcher for Win/Linux, it would be perfect.But game companies love their Denuvo.At least now they have all the Resident Evil games worth playing.
>>724981264>someone giving you cents on a steam sale is literally the same as an obsessed fan that will buy the game full price multiple times plus merch if he can get his hands on itsteamgoys not being disingenuous challenge impossible
>the 50000000th /v/ thread where no one actually knows what a monopoly is
>>724977402This port of a Vita game from 2017 was banned before it even got a store page. With preemptive censoring applied, even.
>>724981761A monopoly is when I'm being paid a $5 EGS gift card (actually do they even have that capability? Lol) to trash Steam
>>724981842no, you don't get the point im trying to makeusually goyim start arguing>um akshually sweaty standards were different back then, pedo games were rampant and devs learned now to not have attractive female characters in their games anymore :)and again, majogami released last week on the switch with no issues, even on the NoA side (likely thanks to bowser getting replaced by a japanese man recently)
>>724981435yeah, you know the reddit meme about zoomers not knowing what a floppy is and conflating it with a save icon or some shit, well you ask anyone what an IDE connector is and 90% of modern people will probably hit you with that fluoride stare like you're some fucking ancient alien visiting Egypt, technological illiteracy has gone too far and it's what allowed the current shitty systems to thrive, pure ignorance feeds greedy kikes>I built mine with one and thats because Im probably one of five people who still burns media but certainly the average person doesnthonestly it would be a good thing to gatekeep retards from video games, just like gatekeeping retards from everything was the norm, it's what keeps up the quality
>>724977905>qstalledmeme
>can release game phyiscal>decide to jew people on steam with 010101010>still complain
>>724982184works on my machine. let me guess, you updooted like a retard, right??
>>724982340Nah I ditched it for Transmission years ago.
>>724968529whats funny is if you acctually ask the people parroting 'muh monopoly' what we should do in response to said monopoly, what platoform should we support, they just say "NONE THEYRE ALL BAD JUST PIRATE" So literally pirates who dont pay for anything are the ones who think their voice matters the most.
>>724981667>Consoooomerism type A is le dumb!>Consoooomerism type B is le based!Cool. Anyway. So how is Gabens outlook on piracy as a service problem fundementally wrong again?
>>724979357Riot Games don't have this problemActivision Blizzard don't have this problemSony exclusives don't/didn't have this problem Minecraft didn't have this problem
>>724982552>they just sayrelease physicalcheaper than steamno? then fuck offoh you are also a jew?just make the same than steam WITH CHEAPER GAMESof course there will always be pirates what kind of retard wants to waste 10 bucks for games no worth replaying
>>724982786what?
>>724982401funnily enough I never got transmission to work on my linux install, just use whatever works, I guess
>>724981435Even if OEMs didn't come with disk drives, cases with drive bays are exceedingly rare these days.Not to mention storage size of physical media vs asset sizes and read speeds of drives vs modern internet download speeds makes most people rather choose the internet as a method of installing software over spinning plastic.
>>724982884>>724981435>these daysWhen I built my computer almost 5 years ago, basically zero modern cases had a disk drive slot.You needed to buy a case old enough to not even have a glass panel to get a disk bay (which I did).
>>724982884mfs won't pay 10 dollars for an external optical drive but will gladly pay 100 dollars every month for their 250GB bandwidth limit 5MB/s shitternet connection, that's how you know society is cooked
>>724982832like this or more clear?
>>724980169Updates and stuff. Also what if you want to uninstall the game and reinstall it later? You could have every single publisher handle that individually but most of them would probably prefer not to, and if they did handle it many of them would bungle that tremendously. Or if they go out of business, what then?
>>724968717There is literally nothing stopping you from putting your game on steam without DRM. Steamworks DRM is optional.
>>724983392>updates and stuffmay release the games completed and not in beta state
>>724983754Retard
>>724967915I support Steam. They have been good to me.
>>724979847An effective monopoly isn't a monopoly. The reason Stream is so prolific isn't bit because of exclusivity, but simply because every other service is vastly worse.
There are too many goys who convince themselves their adservice is the second coming of Jeesus and keep using it. This creates an effective monopoly and devs are tempted to use it to survive. In theory, people could snap out of it and use something else easily solving the issue but goys will be goys. That's impossible.
>>724975089how do i become a paid shill
>>724981427Can't say I was aware of that and would love to have some schizopost that goes more in depth into it. But honestly it's not news to me, anyone who isn't retarded can look at various aspects of the board and intuit it.>disabling user side unique ip counters for literally no reason>sudden absence of BBC and shill posts every time Israel gets attacked >having few to any means of monetizing 4chan other than selling out
the only people who complain about monopolies are fifth columnists who want to make your life more inconvenient. remember that. the word 'monopoly' itself is a loaded term designed to manipulate people.
>>724967915Steam isn't a monopoly because EA/Activision/Ubisoft/Fortnite have their own launchers.
>>724967915Can't wait for $15/month Valve subscription that unlocks unlimited installed game slots.fuck free users and their maximum 3 installed game limitAlso uncapped download speed will be fantastic. Totally worth the extra $5/month. Gotta pay brotherman his slice.
>steam is....lel bad
>>724979357it's called a free marketusers are just going for the superior option
>>724979847Why don't developers sell their games in other stores? It's not like Steam is stopping them from putting their game on GOG or whatever, but most of them simply do not. I would buy their games on GOG if they did, for example.>>724980542It's not a quality problem, it's a service problem. If the quality is low, then I don't pirate the game because I don't want to play a bad game anyway, getting it for free is irrelevant because free shit is still shit. Piracy is a service problem because if the legit way to get it sucks fucking ass, then an alternative option that is better (doesn't suck) and FREE at the same time is incredibly tempting.For example look at modern video distribution. It's INCREDIBLY bad. They expect you to pay a subscription forever, they take away content at random, no matter how much you pay in total you will never be left with anything. This service is shit. It sucks ass. I do not want to pay an endless subscription only for content that I like to randomly disappear one day. The alternative to all this gay as fuck faggotry is to download a .mkv file that works forever, nobody can delete it from your PC AND on top of the superior "service" the .mkv download is also free. It's FAR superior to the paid option.
>>724972892Don't forget that some even removed Linux support from games that signed up with them.
>>724971535You would make more money from selling xboner exclusive games than ports to troonix users, that's how irrelevant they are.
>>724967915steam is effectively a monopoly, but that's only because everyone else is infinitely worse except GOG which is likely to remain niche because frankly their launcher is also shit and the actual reason to use GOG is the offline installer .exes that normalfags don't get sold on since they don't care about DRM
>>724967915Steam may suck but it stops no one from selling their games in other stores or even out of the garage at home if they wanted to, so is not really a monopoly because the problem lies in other stores sucking so much ass.It also isn't DRM because developers have to choose to use steam DRM so if the game doesn't launch without steam being open that is on the dev for choosing for it to be that way.TLDR: The problems are with devs and other stores, not with steam.
Even if steam dies, it's main competitor will never allow game trading and no bare minimum DRM system like anti-steam fags seethe about so much.>Game tradingLetting people give their """used""" copies to other people denies the dev a sale, so devs hate it.>No-bare minimum DRMAny dipshit can just ask their buddies for a zip file no matter how pirate-illiterate they are, therefore denying the dev a sale, so devs will never want a lack of DRM.>"Just release physical!"You do realize someone has to pay for the production of those disks right? Not to mention the amount of people who don't even have disk drives in their PCs because who the fuck uses disks anymore?>Less sales because who the fuck buys physical>Less money because you have to pay for productionget with the fucking times, physical is dead on PC, regardless of whether that's good or not.
The most popular game in existence isn't on steam.
>>724968717>LE DEE ARR EMM LE DEE ARR EMMdownload your shit and crack it thenzip it up at max compression to have your retarded installer larpthey're functionally indistinguishable afterwards valve literally doesn't give a shit about the schizo cases
>>724992551Beyond Steam having (shitty) competition, there's also the elephant in the room that most people playing video games aren't doing it on PC. Console (and especially handheld) are worse platforms for gaming, but from a legal perspective they're perfectly viable ways to do vidya if you happen to hate Steam. I'm not sure Steam being a "PC gaming monopoly" means anything as far as existing anti-trust laws go.
>>724982832He was basically saying that if you can't/won't release physical or cheaper than steam, then go fuck yourself, because you clearly just want the numbers of steam without offering any advantage to using you over steam.Basically what most of us told Timmy to do when EGS was supposed to offer cheaper prices that never materialized, because nobody promoting that storefront gave a shit about offering value to customers, and were only interested in doing what's best for megacorp publishers.
>>724967915It's not a monopoly, it's just better. Devs and publishers can sell their game straight to the consumer, or use one of the other storefronts.
>>724967915I regret ever giving steam a cent, good news is I haven't bought a game from steam in three years.
>>724995129 >>724983081Ah I see. Well there is that and then the community features that no other platform will replicate. For example steam is the only one that allows full reviews whereas on other platofrms youre lucky if they allow a thumbs up and thumbs down button but that is gleefully ignored as irrelevant. Maybe if the other platforms offered the same robust features people would use them.
>study sayspaid for by video game publishers with an unlisted conflict of interest
when all you can do is buy digital licenses, then to keep your assets from disappearing overnight, you must have a monopoly as otherwise the storefronts will continue to shutter and so with it your licenses
>>724967915>look mom I posted it again
>>724968717Yeah but the developers and publishers don't want that. The ONLY reason they cry about Steam is the 30% cut. Using words like monopoly is just emotional manipulation to try and make the customers start using worse services because they offer better cuts to publishers, nothing more.
lollmao
>>724996652get fucked, noob
It's not a monopoly if it's just winning actually. Indie devs could put their games on egs for free all they want but they know it's a complete waste of time.
>>724967915The problem is that most competing store/launchers think they can get away with making something barebones in this day and age, forgetting that steam itself has evolved into something much more over the last 15 or so years.
>>724996847ok jew
>>724996847Imagine being this retarded. Independent study means an outside group apart from Rokky was paid by Rokky to do the study. Get fucked, noob.
>>724967989>>724967915>muh monopolyExplain Fortnite. Explain League of Legends.Explain Genshin. Retards.
>>724979554>>724979446If that's your definition, then GoG is also DRM.
>>724998445Fortnite is honestly the only reason epic launcher isn't dead
>>724998492You have to explain how it's possible for big games to exist outside the monopoly.
>>724979847what does any other storefront or launcher do better than steam that would give me, the consumer, any reason to move away from steam?>hard mode: no gog because i already use itI literally cannot think of another company that is nearly as customer oriented as steam. Proton alone is enough for me to feel happy that gabe gets to chill on his several yachts. even if i had never spent a dime on steam, he is making sure that all my pirated games work flawlessly
>>724979847Nice that you agree that Steam doesn't have a monopoly then, retard.
>>724977704>steam's biggest sin was killing gfwlFuck that shit. I just wanted to play Arkham Asylum and I had to fuck around for an hour to get to it launch because the gfwl launcher kept kicking me out.
>>724967915>Epic attacking againAt this point this is just funny
>>724968717So, GoG?
>>724969356Every time someone says this, I list games that are not and never will be on GOG. Their response?>g-goyslop!Sorry. I'm a goy and proud of it.
>>724967915>study says
>>724981761It's just a naughty word they learned that they think works because Steam barely has anything you can really fault it for. I've noticed that the terms, "bloatware" "spyware" covered in ads" "steals your information" kinda stopped once Epic games launcher made it into the scene
>>725000024There's a stub dll on PCGW that rips out GFWL on the games that had it.
>>725000315Luckily they replaced the gfwl shit on steam and it launched without zero issues for both Asylum and City. I don't see how anyone can miss gfwl beyond maybe getting some fun hatemail from dark souls
>>724977704>steam's biggest sin was killing gfwl and all the other storescan you even grasp how asinine and horrific pc gaming would be if microsoft had any serious foothold in the gaming marketplace
>>724989373okay but this isn't about revenue this is about monopolies. How can anyone claim steam is a monopoly when they don't even compete with them?
>>724977704>steam's biggest sin was killing gfwlYou mean greatest achievementfuck gfwl
>>724967915>Steam is a monopolyGood.
>>724968529I buy physical on xbox/Nintendoif physical is not available I buy Steam, simple as that
>>724968184>>724968226Thanks for informing me about this, i fucking hate regurgitated screencap threads
>>724977704what kind of revisionist zoomer history is this shit? pc gaymen was dead in the to late 00s. all we got was shitty ports
>>724967989GOG and Epic Store exist. It's not valve's fault that every pc storefront sucks.the only complaint i have is i wish steam could go back. to when it was simpler.
>>725000145>I list games that are not and never will be on GOG.It will surprise you how companies you never thought would release on GOG actually end up doing it, granted it does take them some of them a while.Say for example Capcom, who have been aggressive with putting Denuvo on all their games. They ended up putting a ton of their older games on GOG, and even gave GOG exclusive versions of the OG RE games. Sega, who also shipped Yakuza with Denuvo which is still somehow on certain versions of the Steam games, is Denuvo-less on GOG. Konami have also been fairly consistent in putting the Silent Hill games on GOG not too long after release. Even more surprisingly is that even the games they haven't brought to GOG yet (like MGSDelta), are still DRM-free on Steam if you just add the game's steamid on a text file and put it into the directory. They have no DRM. This is what really boggles my mind about the spotty Japanese support for GOG. They're fine with putting plenty of their older games on GOG, shipping games without DRM, selling games without the DRM they spent a lot to license, but actually putting some of their games on GOG that already have no DRM or have an expired Denuvo license? It's like they just forget about those games. It's not a particularly big deal for a consumer who knows what they're doing, but there's plenty of people out there wondering why games like RE2 remake never got a GOG release despite Denuvo expiring years ago.
>>725000790>Having to install a game and install some worthless software on top of it that I don't want>Have to keep the CD key around but can only use it a few times because it needs an online check and have to fight customer service if I want to reinstall a game for a new key>If I want to update the game or need a patch to fix something, I need to visit some third party site and download files >Can only use the publisher's forums to ask for help or talk about the game but it's a no go if the game is a few years old and everyone abandoned it >Ended up just pirating shitloads of games and downloading no-cd cracks for my games to not deal with the nonsense Nobody misses that shit.
>>725000145>Sorry. I'm a goy and proud of it.
>>725002601delete this right now
>NOOOOO YOU'RE SIMPLY TOO GOOD, YOU OFFER TOO MUCH OF A FANTASTIC SERVICE, YOU NEED TO BE CUT AND SPLICED APART AND RUINED SO THE CHEAPSKATE FAGGOT FUCKS CAN SELL WORSE SERVICES AND NOT BE PUSHED OUT OF THE MARKET FOR RIGHTFULLY BEING GARBAGE
>>725002942Won't someone PLEASE think of the shareholders!!!
>>725001320Thats because gog actively begs them for it
