Fucking nuclear reactors, how do they work?
>>724973417Heat pipes are like pipes where the heat flows through, meanwhile pipes aren't like pipes but instead share one fluid level.
Let's put superheated steam in a big barrel and just keep it there for later.
>>724973417A huge kettle
I really hate using a single belt for the space platforms.
The heat of the fission cooks the water
>New fluid mechanics lowered the amount of pain points with fluid flow oddities>It also completely disconnected the need to make neat looking reactor setups as you can pretty much put the turbines anywhere nowI'm not going to say the mechanics never frustrated me, but it feels like it was simplified too much.
rail spaghetti = belt spaghetti > bus > city block >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bots
>>724973417you boil da water
>>724973417Just skip it
>>724974758>using rails>in spageHoly shit nigger what the fuck are you doing
>>724974758Nah, having 1 million bots flying around doing shit is kino. Especially when thny're combined with rail & belt spaghetti.
>>724973417use magic rocks to boil water to turn a turbine
>>724974752How is that different from anything else? You can put anything anywhere you want, it's a fucking sandbox nigger
>>724974758>bus anywhere but soulless shit tier
>>724974482heh
>>724975257>t. bot nigger
>>724975257having a bunch of belts together looks cool
>>724975354What's the matter, busboy, not enough CPU in your pants?
The fuel cells are inserted into the reactor where a lot of bullets are shooting in every direction, causing pollution and heat that we send down pipes into exchangers that boils water and we move the steam into tanks that remain at 500c until demand causes turbine to spin and generate electricity.
>>724974482This, it is steam power but less cool.
>>724976108>YOUR NUCLEAR POWERED FACTORY CAUSES IMMENSE POLLUTION BECAUSE... OMG IT JUST DOES, OKAY?
>>724973417Basically, neutrons fly against atoms, splitting them and the split atoms release new neutrons, which fly against other atoms. Every split creates energy/heat.You have water, that evaporates by the heat and turns a turbine, which then turns a generator.Any more questions?
>>724975690bus>takes planning>elegant>looks pretty>european codedbots>takes almost zero planning>slapped together>looks like SHIT>african codedbuskings WIN
>>7249761083.6 pollution, not great, not terrible.
Why the fuck I need to build stupid spaceships to visit another planet, can't I just build a really long railroad there or at least a sola powered staircase
Fusion is better anyway
>>724974758Spaghetti you say?
>>724976108>First off, the green circuit situation... it's well under control.
>>724973417Spicy little guy shoots a little ball, that ball hits another spicy little guy, he shoots of some more balls. Those balls hit some strong little guys and they vibrate like crazy. Cool little guys hug the angry little guys and take it to a cute little fan. That cute little fan spins to bring joy to every household.
>>724973417I fed a fish to a pelican at 'Frisco Bay, it tried to eat my cell phone… he ran away
>>724977520thats a white trash brilliant ad
>>724976108its incredible how much we do with just steam manhow does the earth even still has water? we consume trillions of cubes of water every hour
>>724977812the water rides around the planet on something called a “cycle” so it can visit each place that needs it
>>724977913So it just picks up a bottle or two on the way to replenish itself?
>>724973417It's the exact same as steam power but you also have to do heat pipes
>>724973837That's retarded. Liquids already have temperature, just make 1x1 heat exchange stations with hot water/steam/nitrogen/helium/liquid potassium coming in and cold whatever coming out,like pyanodon
>>724977326wtf how do you make the silo move
>>724974752I think it was needed at very, very large scales. The new system is vastly simplified in terms of processing power too, and you don't really want to have to be analyzing a setup that's over 30k x 30k tiles long to figure out where the fluid system is messing up. I'll take the computational gain over the old version any day.
>>724979087Have you tried putting wheels on it
>>724973417And no i don't want to scientists, y'all mfers lying and getting me pissed
>>724979252Would've sucked if you had to deal with vulcanus fluid on the old systemOn the other hand, I'm disappointed they didnt make a science you make directly as fluid and you have to bottle up like you do with barrels, would give them an use case to ship up barrels of science in rockets
>>724977326That's not spaghetti, that's sushi
>>724974752the fluid system was always ass to deal with as soon as you started dealing with any scale above a handful of machines. Reactors needed pumps at every possible juncture to make sure fluid would flow as fast as possible. Build order for pipes mattered and would directly affect which machines in a junction got fluid first. Machines could deadlock themselves if they output too much fluid because it took forever to flow in the pipeline. I think maybe 250x250 is a bit large of a bounding box for a single pipeline but ill take new fluids over the old system any day. It allows your pipelines to be much more freeform without having to put pumps after every underground to maintain the fastest flow rate.
>>724974752I made a reactor that was had water brought in by train, enough throughput to satisfy a 4x4.Perfectly symetrical, no pumps except when removing water from the trains, all 4 sides had stations, there were no waits for a new train when the current one left.But when you zoomed out and put alt on you could see that for some reason the water preferred the top left of the system, with the bottom right struggling with steam production, there was enough water, but it pooled in one part of the system for no reason.I am so glad they changed the system.
>>724974752Just headcanon that all assemblers and chemlabs have their own pumps inbuilt
>>724980068I don't remember the dev notes but I'm certain they started looking at the fluid quantities for foundries and shit and went "Fuck this"
>>724979087That's what the rockets are for.
>>724976108a daring synthesis
>>724973417Nuclear reactors work the same way all other power generation methods work (except solar and wind, but wind is close enough to count). They boil water and use the steam to turn a turbine.
>>724980932i scrolled through them the other day and their primary reasons was the amount of fluid throughput that legendary machines with legendary beacons could put out. the old pipe system literally couldnt move fluid through adjacent pipe segments fast enough to keep up with the machines without retarded pump setups. This was on top of the old system’s flow rate being unintuitive and impossible to figure out without consulting the wiki. I think they said this version is more intuitive, more performant, and has a vastly superior user experience even if it is simplified.
>>724980932that's pretty much the same reason they finally gave us a simple items per second that a machine uses/makes added to the UI. With the addition of quality and the more variable beacons it's a lot more work to do the math yourself every time.
>>724980068A lot of those problems go away when you stop trying to force all of the fluid through one pipe. DESU they went too far with the new system, it's so freeform there's no good or bad choices when you build.
>>724981303legendery piping should then have legendery transfer rate legendery capacity and legnedende pressure/depressurization numbers
>>724981531It also leaves pumps without a real purpose
>>724981531a lot of them, but not all of them. the new system being more performant is honestly enough for me to prefer it anyways as opposed to fluid having to calculate which boxes it goes into every tick. builds would look ugly as shit if everything needed its own pipe. I could see it working if they had larger pipe systems like in some mods I used to run, but that isn’t the case.
Gleba ruined the game.
How autistic is the nuclear stuff in Factorio? I liked fucking around with it on Industrialcraft 2
>>724984485Its pretty simple. Mine uranium, process into u-235/238. Make uranium fuel cells and place into reactor. If you want something more complicated there are mods.
>>724984485The only thing that could consume you would be laying out the pipes and making things compact, but you don't need to do that at all anymore.It's just heat from nuclear cells in reactorsHeat up water in boilersUse steam to power turbinesPower
>>724976335YOU DIDN'T SEE POLLUTION BECAUSE IT'S NOT FUCKING THERE
>>724984485its very easy to pick up and requires a little brain power to make it not wasteful>nuclear fuel in reactors makes heat>heat can be moved around (with some functional limits) by heat pipes>heat exchangers consume heat from heat pipes and water to make steam>steam is routed to a turbine to make powertheres a few design considerations for effective setups like>reactors operating next to one another get an additive +100% more heat bonus per reactor, so you are incetivized to build them in clusters>reactors also will keep burning fuel even if they dont get any hotter, so if you dont want to waste fuel you need to program inserters to only add it when its needed>the heat in heat pipes decays over distance so theres a functional limit on how far away they can be
>>724984485very simple in comparison
It's always fucking steam. Where are my energy crystals?
>>724984610>>724985651>>724985896>>724986095No massive explosions and uninhabitable craters if you mess up? I was expecting something more punishing.
>>724973417split atom, boil water, get electricity
>>724986430The only way to make a reactor blow up is a fully heated one being damaged enough by the biters or youIntentionally heating up a nuclear reactor and letting a demolisher eat it is one of the ways to kill one.
>>724986708I wonder what it tasted like.
>>724986773Green jolly ranchers
>>724980932They've also admitted the old fluid system was a barely functional ghetto of patches and duct tape and figured it was about time to rip off the bandaid
>>724973417The one thing Factorio is missing is visible pollution effects. I want the ground around my factories to be toxic sludge.
>>724986948You could tell, it was fucking retarded and it needed to be done. It was a nightmare trying to calculate the exact ratios you needed and anyone who preferred it has never tried to have more than 100SPM, I'd bet money on it.
>>724987130Have you never noticed the withered trees, the greening of the water, the sanding of the soil?
>>724987615I have and it's not enough
>>724986708does that work on medium ones? seems very excessive if it doesn'tseems excessive even if it does really
I'll give this game a try when it goes on sale ;3Until then, I won't even watch it on twitch.
>>724978138If the planet had no sun it would be solid so in it's liquid state it can be turned into gas easier
>>724987615NOT ENOUGH
>>724987130>long time factorio fan excited to play it for the first time
>>724986430>I was expecting something more punishing.No, you’re heavily encouraged to mass produce and enjoy infinite riskless power on Nauvis. The actual problem with uranium is that it is a pain in the ass to export to other planets, so all your nuclear powered machines/train networks have to be on Nauvis.
>>724986708Or you could just import some uranium and kill them in 2 seconds with turrets
>>724973417boiling watur
fissile material is placed in a container and stimulated to decay and give off energythe energy is used to activate additional fissile material and so on and so onwe use control rods to slow it down and keep it from getting out of controlthe excess leftover energy is used to boil water
>>724994960That's just combustion with extra steps. Wake me up inside when we get Thermionic Emission circuits
>this new power source is THE FUTURE>look inside>boiling water
>>724996208It's a good medium for heat tho what's the problem
>>724996359Funny reddit popsci meme, please understand.
>>724986341Technological advancement is all about finding new ways to utilize steam my nigger. It's only a matter of time before we start utilizing it in the field of masturbation technology. Just think, within 10 years you will no longer fap with silicone onaholes, a tube sock, or even a kleenex. You will blast your dick and balls with hot steam until you cum and it will be glorious
>>724974923i like trains
>>724977812do you know what steam is?the water is not consumed.
>>724973417Does the number of heating pipes matter when trying to distribute heat and keep it contained without diminishing over time?Or does that not matter at all?I just got to Gleba and the heating tower is super cool and useful for easy power, but seeing its pollution production quickly killed any hope of replacing it with Nuclear power on nauvis.
>>724976574fucking kettles all the way downwhy are humans special? learned fire so we could boil water to stay healthyoh farming, good thing the sun boiled some water so it could float over our field as a raincloudindustrial revolution, neat we can burn coal to boil water and spin stuffwow electricity, now we can boil water somewhere else and move the energy heremastered the atom? neat lets boil water with itgetting depressed with all this boiled water, better calm down with a nice cup of tea, lets just boil some FUCKING WATERFUCKING BOILING WATERI'LL GO RELAX NOW BY PLAYING SOME VIDYALETS JUST BOOT UP STEAMSTEAMGOD FUCKING DAMMIT
>>724973417
Don't you EVER talk shit about my big faggot water boiler.
>>724973417rocks get hot > make water hot > super heated steam > turn turbine > its just a water wheel.
>>724997963The pipes distribute the heat throughout so ideally you'd use shorter pipes, in practice I never bothered to keep heating pipes clean, they get plenty hot. If you want to replace nuclear on the only planet with uranium you should only really replace it with solar/fusion, the other options just aren't as good.
>>724998434How in the everloving fuck did he do this without the train reader mod?
>>724998359Photovoltaic effect says hi. Welcome to the Dyson future baby!It'll probably be superceded only by some exotic sub-atomic generation that directly pumps energy into electrons or something.
>>724973417U-235 fission triggers fission other nearby U-235 atoms, creating a self-sustaining reaction that also creates heat. We use mediums and barriers to control local U-235 concentrations and tap the heat for electrical energy via water/steam.I know this wasn't a genuine question but I've recently come to realize how many people genuinely don't understand nuclear reactors. I've had educated people who were absolutely ADAMANT that we had no method of controlling reaction speed inside a reactor lately.
>"boiling water reactor">look inside>magic rock spinning next to orange coil
>>724984485Not much.There used to be a big rabbithole you could go down to maximize efficiency from one but it's dead easy ever since 2.0.Put down 2x2 reactors next to each other, put down heat exchangers, make a bunch of turbines. Ratios are pretty simple and worth following here because NPP parts are expensive. For more efficiency, place a combinator controlling fuel rod input so that fuel is only inserted when:>Reactor is at a low temperature>Steam reserves are low>There isn't already a fuel rod insidePerfect reactor achieved, save the blueprint for the rest of time.
>Factorio thread>No bases posted>No builds>Nothing
>>7250010472.0 killed all the big mods and spage has never really driven me to finish it. I last touched my initial playthrough a month ago.
>>725000338solar doesn't work too well in my area because of all the fog aka BOILED FUCKING WATER
>>724998359Kettle boiling is just a step on the path. A grand building doesn't become unimpressive because we "still" use steel for its central structure.>>725000338Direct fusion into kettle will mog if we can ever get it working, sorry.
>>725000913Oh and make sure you set stack size to one for this obviously
>>724976574>>724998359It's honestly baffling that no one has tried other methods than boiling water. Not saying that no one has thought of them but I'm guessing they didn't prove to be cost efficient enough for anyone to invest real money into them.>>725000338Like this one. Sounds nice and simple but relies too much weather conditions as well as batteries and requires vast areas of land.
>>725002137TEGs exist they're just shit.It really does just turn out that boiling water is the most efficient method of converting heat into electricity. What we have done is found lots of different ways of generating heat, which is really the part that is actually "generating energy". Boiling water is just part of how we capture the energy we generate and then distribute it.>sounds nice and simpleSolid state electronics is one of the most bullshit, magic-adjacent things humanity does.
>>725002137>It's honestly baffling that no one has tried other methods than boiling water. Not saying that no one has thought of them but I'm guessing they didn't prove to be cost efficient enough for anyone to invest real money into them.The simple reality is water is just so abundant on earht and offers such an efficient method of energy conversion there's really no reason to ever consider anything else. There are lots of ways to do more direct energy to electricity conversion, like the thermoelectric effect and the piezoelectic effect off the top of my head, but this stuff is very limited in application right now. Maybe one day.
>>724974482i was so disappointed to learn that nuclear power wasn't pulling electricity directly out of those glowing green rods from the Simpsons. It just boils water to spin a turbine, just like coal and gas power plants.
>>724974758>not using bots Didn't beat the game.
>>724973417I should become a nuclear scientist. I'm sure Canada needs more nuclear energy
>>724973417Radiation rocks makes water boil that makes steam which spins a generator turbine which makes zero emission electricity.
Post your white science platform or you get seven years back luck
>>724986341>Where are my energy crystals?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generatorWe have them, they just aren't used for like utility scale stuff, it's a power source a lot of satellites and space drones use.
>>725002137The thing about water is that it has an extremely high specific heat capacity and a high boiling point, which make it exceptionally good at storing and transferring energy to a point where there's basically no point trying to find an alternative given how abundant it is. These are some of the same qualities that make water good at harboring conditions for life, so there's a high probability that if we ever meet aliens they're probably just boiling water too.
>>725003482
>>725003598science/sec?
>>725003482I never updated what I initially built to a "proper" design because I never needed toBillions of white science backed up enough to supply me forever.
>>725003768not sure, i build this purely for aesthetic, but its pretty high i guess
>>725002137batteries are also temperamental little boxes of chemicals that like to break down frequently and explosively
>Gets out a piece of paper and a pen >Folds paper in half>You see, this pen is like a neutrino... "the bullet" if you will...
>>725003903As opposed to the literal chemical fuels we still use in powerplants around the world?
>>725003482Imm stuck making rocket fuel after all my gas went into solid fuel and lube
>>725004056generating a significant and sustained amount of power from batteries (on the scale of powering a small town) is a massive engineering challenge in itself, combined with the logistical problems of ensuring they are stored, cooled, and regularly inspected so the careful chemical reactions that make them batteries don't corrode them open and make the whole array explode. they're also expensive as shit and just as bad for the environment, and the energy density technology just isn't there yet.if you leave a chemical fuel like gasoline or diesel in a container it will happily sit there for years until it either evaporates or chews through the container, if it even does that. batteries on the other hand like to bulge and split because the chemicals that make them run yearn for freedom and to react with one another
How the fuck do you mother fuckers get parts for your rockets to keep making launches over and over?Blue chips are a pain in the ass compared to rocket fuel and LDS.I'm trying to make a build that is clean and provides enough to have me covered while I'm on another planet but silos are werid as fuck.I think you can use them in two ways? Automatic logistic launches and manual launches? So, would you have a manual silo and the others just leave as automatic so bots use the network to supply requests in orbit?
>>725004350You know most planet have infinite resources? Is piss easy to import chips from Vulcanus.
>>725004242Yes, batteries will break down and should not be used to carry a full power load for the entire grid. That doesn't change that calling them some sort of explosive hazard is retarded; especially every form of power storage is, including the harvested ones.Moving from "batteries are not efficient enough to enable solar-only power grids" to "batteries are dangerous and are gonna explode on you!!!! solar bad!!!!!!" is just asinine.
>>725004350fulgora gives you free rocket launches from scrapvulcanus gives you free iron and copper for absurd scaling
>>725004436what other context are you discussing batteries in for solar other than to power large electrical grids retardsurprise the few electrical grids using batteries have had these exact same issues trying to employ them this way. of course they're not bombs waiting to go off but the hazard of overheating/critical failure is a risk with large battery arrays
>>725004242>if you leave a chemical fuel like gasoline [...] in a container it will happily sit there for yearsGasoline starts breaking down very quickly, in under a year. Even the additives only prolong the breakdown somewhat by breaking down first until it's gone.
>>725004350Scale, anon. On green chip production in particular. Never underestimate the amount of green chippies you need.What you're really asking is a more fundamental question than just "how do I keep my rockets fed". Expandable train networks in particular are an important part of moving to more scalable bases.Once you're set up in space fulgora can put out a lot of bluechips too.>silosI just have them all on automatic and set one to manual when I need it. Beacons affect them, so clustering is useful.
>>725004661The question is in how far much of the grid you're relying on batteries to support.>surprise the few electrical grids using batteries have had these exact same issues trying to employ them this wayYes, and they also crucially work just fine while dealing with those issues.Solar is an obvious part of any modern/future power grid and pretending that it's not viable when it's literally done right now is just retarded.
>>725004817>costs almost as much energy or more to produce the cells from start to finish then they produce in their usable lifetimei'd rather we just go full nuclear
>>725004947>costs almost as much energy or more to produce the cells from start to finish then they produce in their usable lifetimeThat was true like 15 years ago. Energy efficiency on solar cell production in China has improved massively since then.
>start game>reach blue science>restart>repeat for thousand times
>>725005281Are you me
>>725005281>8/sec>Gets you through the early game>Scales up easily, doesn't even need better power poles.
>>725004817>Solar is an obvious part of any modern/future power gridNot when panels generate a paltry 30 watts per square meter
>>725005281>1/sec production>Consumes only 2 green circuits per second.>Can be supported four times from the green circuit build previously posted
how do you even calculate ratio in this game?i never bother with it and just build big
>>725005453Lot of space out there. You'll note I said "part of", I'm not an anti-nuclear retard, I just get annoyed at retards that boil massive, society-spamming infrastructure concerns down to blind tribalism.
>>725004817Solar should only become a mainstay when you aren't contending with atmospherics so you can draw a constant source from your parent sun. Otherwise boiling water is the best way to go until you can figure out a way to make donuts out of hot plasma with magnetism. Then the only things you need to worry about is plasma confinement, shield maintenance and watching for any power fluctuations that might cause the donut to spin off and fly out of the chamber.
>>725005581The game literally tells you how much you're using/producing if you hover over the assembler/building.If you can't count or don't want to multiply your ratios yourself, there's a calculator mod that gives you an in-game calculator, or you could just get Rate Calculator mod and use it to tell you what you're making for how much.Some mods are genuinely useful and not bad.If you're strictly vanilla, then I'd go into editor and look at my production statistics on isolated builds so you know exactly what's going on.
>>725005616>Lot of spaceHow about not bulldozing habitat meadows and forests in order to put up planet spanning fields of non-renewable fiberglass substrate
Even when I make a particular effort to have things clean and well-ordered it still inevitably becomes a mess. With train lines running straight through the middle of my resource lines, and a million underground belts, and bulging areas of plastic production.
>>725005453Solar at the current juncture is fucking dogshit but once you make the jump towards space it becomes a viable source of unlimited energy. Providing you can stay within close proximity of a star. The big challenge will be finding methods of distribution beyond batteries. Whatever Tesla was cooking up when it came to wireless energy transfer would've been a better alternative compared to what's available now.
>>725002986Boiling water is one of the most efficient methods of extracting energy from a heat source.
>>725005667>it's not perfectly efficient so we shouldn't use it at allCome on anon.>space solarPersonally I doubt we'll ever have an efficient way to transfer solar energy from space down to earth, possibly even in a literal space-elevator scenario.>Otherwise boiling water is the best way to go until you can figure out a way to make donuts out of hot plasma with magnetismThe point of that is still to boil the water, anon.>>725005815Okay, no reason not to throw it in wide empty arid regions or on the endless rows of suburban homes.
>>725005828That's where the true soul of factorio comes from.The intertwining of spaghetti and a properly planned factory. The intersection of order and chaos.
>>725003482I can't remember what the other crushers were supposed to do. I just copied my first run's platforms for the science.What I really want to see is people's calcite farming platforms though. That seems more interesting.
When do you start doing rails? Are robot malls good?
>>725002986Don't forget that the majestic towers are just for cooling. They create draft, nothing more.
>>725004817>The question is in how far much of the grid you're relying on batteries to support.When using majority Solar power? The majority of the grid, every time the sun is not there, which includes HALF THE DAY. The more Solar power you add to the system the bigger is the need for massive, absurdly gigantic, energy retention system. Batteries simply don't cut it. They're far too expensive, far too finicky, but also the energy density doesn't work. What will you do, make entire towns of batteries for every city you have? Entire towns you will need to replace every 7 years at best?At the scale we're talking, potential energy using vast reservoir of water stored in mountains is the only real way to store energy and is, incidentally, what we use. And it has its costs for the environment or simply in Dollarydoos. Not only that, but we can't install a reservoir in all our mountains.A well made power energy grid can maybe stomach 20% of Solar power without crashing out, and only by powering up some coil reactor every night. What Cali does is powering up coil reactors every night to make up for Solar, which is not really eco friendly, is it? But that's the Cali way: massive solar farms killing huge portions of the environment, with solar cells whose making is a nightmare ecologically, to produce a paltry amount of power during the day, only to power up some good old coil during the night. It's absolutely retarded but eh people laps it up.
>>725006173You need a robot mall to build shit. Your shit gets built by robots past a certain point in the game and your robots need shit to place down. So you need a 'mall' to supply your robots.And the sooner you start on rails the less work it will be to expand to patches in the future. That said, if you're in Space Age if you just use quality big drills and foundries your 5million patches will essentially be far larger than you can ever use anyway.
>>725006193Engineering involved with them is fun too. Just a wide array of fins on the bottom that make the hot water separate into droplets so they shed heat more quickly.
>>725005973More like we shouldn't rely heavily on it while shutting down pillars like nuclear, gas and coal. Having to account for rolling blackouts because your datacenters keep pulling on the public supply doesn't help anyone. It can work for supplemental points of passive generation like whatever the government was attempting with poverty blocks stacking panels on the roofs. To go alongside with rainwater collection. But there needs to be a greater drive towards consistency rather than this slapdash bullshit of poorly made bandaids while vast portions of the budget is getting siphoned off. By those not tied into the systems subject to their consequences.
Is there a better feeling?
Why do Jews and lefties hate nuclear energy so much? The world would be such a better place, if all our electricity ran on nuclear power.
>>725006367>The world would be such a better placeBecause nuclear power doesn't create a chattel slave class to exploit
>>725006248I don't think 20% solar power is unreasonable, though it does depend on where you are. I think you're highly overstating the environmental impacts in particular.The point is that just painting solar as bad and batteries as nonviable is absurd.>>725006316Gas and coal really are that bad and do need to be killed immediately. It's not even a climate change thing, their pollutants actively kill people constantly. Fossil fuels' energy density makes some sense for mobile vehicles but the fact that we run stationary power plants off them is absurd, and I think the retards who stopped everyone from moving to Nuclear decades ago are the most to blame for our current situation.>>725006367It's just the uneducated, on both sides of politics. Nuclear's strongest proponents and strongest critics are both generally on the left.
>>725006248>At the scale we're talking, potential energy using vast reservoir of water stored in mountains is the only real way to store energy and is, incidentally, what we use. And it has its costs for the environment or simply in Dollarydoos. Not only that, but we can't install a reservoir in all our mountains.Some companies have been experimenting with flywheel storage, thermal energy stored underground in salt vaults and something involving Swiss hydraulics stacking concrete blocks on top of each other. The first one would be hilarious at scale because you just know some cunt is going to cheap out on the safety measures. Ending up with wheels cutting through tin walls at speed like they just crawled off the set to Wild Wild West. Anything else is gotta be better than relying on dwindling rare earths for shitty exploding batteries.
>>725006367because it oppose mass migration.
>>725006285nta but early game I always get fed up with having to set up assemblers for stuff and I never like setting up complete bot mallsever since 2.0 let you directly control assemblers I have created THE MACHINE which has slowly increased the number of associated wires and combinators criscrossing it until I am a little too afraid to start messing with anything but the basic controls
>>725006367Big coal is too powerful
>>725006605>dwindling rare earthsRare earths aren't really dwindling, our production is just increasingly being outstripped by demand. They aren't "rare" in that their ore is rare, they're rare in that they don't have distinct ores we can mine just for them. Most rare earth production is a byproduct of other resources.
>>725006770>2.0 space exWhat?
>>725006958ive been playing it for a few weeks now. space exploration is updated to work with 2.0 but doesn't work with space age or quality yet, i'm pretty sure.
>>725006443>Because nuclear power doesn't create a chattel slave class to exploitMore like if said chattel class fucks up during the maintenance they take everyone else down with them. Any decadant worth his weight in gold doesn't want to go a day without his blood tributes let alone one that will give him cancer if he touches it.
>>725003489>Onboard RTG on the Voyager II is meant to run out by the end of this yearKino that the lad managed to last all that time without any real external maintenance. Your average shitbox today can barely pass a decade without throwing a waterpump.
>>725006297Yeah. For me a cool thing is that the tower is a ruled surface and could be achieved with straight iron rods.
>>724982701Gleba is easy. Git gud. If you're not making 1 rocket per minute you're not playing right.
Aquilo was worse than Gleba. Not because of complexity/difficulty. But because it was disappointing. The other three planets offered new engineering challenges and offered quite a lot of content. Aquilo is almost exclusively about how good your platform logistics are and the actual setup on the planet is severely limited.You go into Aquilo thinking 'wow, can can't imagine what kind of cool challenge I'll get after having to beat these other three planets' and then it's over in 30 minutes and the rest of the game is just infinite-mode.
>>725007681Dude, landfill(ice), concrete and heating pipes. Also needing to drop supplies.
>>725007430>>725006193Got damn what a beautiful machine.
>>724976257Everything big is steam power.Coal - Steam.Gas - Mostly Steam, some actual gas turbines though - with steam as heat recovery.Solar - Mostly Steam. Yep. outside rooftop photovoltaics, most solar is Solar Troughs, which heat water... for Steam.Nuclear - You better believe it's steam.Geothermal - Who would of thought, something with 'thermal' in the name is really STEAM.Wind, Photovoltaic Solar and Gas Turbines are the only efficient things that aren't just steam. (Reciprocating engines aren't efficient.)
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>>725008032>finally perfect the arts of antimatter >use it to boil some waterIt's water all the way down
>>725008215>year 3000000>we're building Dyson spheres>to boil water
>>725008183
>do gleba first>nuclear plants become obsoleted
>>725008940Not on Nauvis.
>>725006516>I think the retards who stopped everyone from moving to Nuclear decades ago are the most to blame for our current situation.I agree with your assessments, but what are we supposed to do?
>>725008971Only because I had nuclear plants already built. It's way easier to make fuel cubes from oil and then dump them into heating towers than to make the uranium processing pipeline.
>>725009068>but what are we supposed to do?Own nothing and be thankful going by the words of those who fucked up on the intial trajectory.
the world isn't ready for nuclear. when we have an abundance of energy, the old lessons about conserving energy ("turning off the lights" when you aren't in the room) are going to be tossed out the window. You'll be encouraged to have things emitting light and making noise all of the time because it'll be wasteful not to use it.You think brown people are obnoxious now with their music, wait until they're encouraged to just blast it at max volume 24/7.
>>725009109Yeah, but Nuclear doesn't produce pollution. Look at how much pollution a single heating tower produces constantly.
>>725005840the sun beams wireless energy at us all day long, shouldn't be too hard to figure out
>>725009997bring it faggot bugs, I walled in my base and have lasers and tesla turrets everywheretotal biter death
hydroelectric power - makes up ~15% of the world 's electricitysure, it uses water, but at least there is no boiling involved, right?>water cycle>[energy from the sun heats the water in oceans ... water goes through a phase change to become a gas that goes up into the atmosphere ... portion of this runoff enters rivers, moving water towards the oceans]fuck
>>725006367>Takes 20 years for a nuclear reactor to break even>In the meantime no other technology can become more efficient or else it will take substantially longer to break even Too much risk
Any of you irl energy nerds can chime in about the new salt reactors that are supposedly smaller and safer? I heard the chinese started deploying some of them.
>>725009627the world is not ready for nuclear, if not for retards who don't understand how it works, but because controlling and maintaining an artificial shortage of an essential resource is always useful for geopolitical reasons
>>725008940>>725009109>>725009997Nuclear power is better than using heating towers on Nauvis. That oil you are using for rocket fuel could be used for something better. A single uranium patch, even a small one, is enough to give a ridiculous amount of power for a ridiculous amount of time. And it doesn't come at the cost of fucking with your plastics or rocket parts.
>>725010203i dunno much about them but isn't it molten salt? I have no idea how that shit works
>>725010203>cleaner>higher energy density>decent reserves to pull from>can't be weaponizedDeuterium is the one they really want if they can manage to have it self generate fuel on the fly. But this shit is a lot better than conventional reactors for the simple fact that it's less likely to cook you when it fucks up.
>>725010310You can also set up circuit conditions to use the temperature as a variable to only insert rocket fuel if the heating tower actually needs it, but that's also worse on Nauvis than anywhere else to do.Uranium power is very very cheap. Even if you want to use it for your rockets, but I'd honestly switch IMMEDIATELY to fusion once I unlock it on Aquillo.For the inner planets, if you're good with designing platforms, solar power is all you need.Unlock advanced asteroids and foundries and you can make some very strong builds from calcite in outer space alone, along with reprocessing from vulcanus.Circuit conditions turn these things into very efficient systems if you know how.
>>725008868Well if you dont think boiling human components for energy is cool I dont know what to tell you.
>>725010682Is that mostly theoretical or have they started making reactors with such benefits? There's been some news articles of the chinese reactors hitting some milestones recently, but I'm not a subject expert to make sense of it.
>>725010765I'm just going off what https://youtu.be/d1TpqmQ0I7U is saying. Since it's stolen US designs made in China I'd say take it with a grain of salt (lel).
>>725010989Stolen or not, if the chinese are going to build it and use it, and the US won't (supposedly, if this narrative is true), then the chinese will be better at building it and will keep getting better at it. It's just how industries work.
>>725009068Build out what we can, be it solar, wind or nuclear.It's all just a waiting game until effective fusion power anyway.
>>724973417They're super easy now that you can attach wires to reactors
>>725011202Considering they had an 80 year head start on them and still refused to pursue it maybe there is something more to the story. Regardless a salt powered generator made from refined byproducts from general mining operations sounds a hell of a lot better in practice then cucking out with the current mandates. Anything is got to be better than that pathetic shit. Humanity as a whole would benefit from the ability to generate energy at scale beyond 91 regular and redneck cornwater.
>>725008390>>725008215Gamerbros keep WINNING WETLY
>>725010203Seems to be safer.Ultimately they're still broadly nuclear reactors, not complete gamechangers and the differences beyond that require specific knowledge you're not going to get from a 4chan post.>>725010682Salt reactors use salt for the coolant instead in a reactor instead of water (before transferring the heat to other water to then boil). they aren't a different form of fuel; the same fissile elements are still present.Nothing you greentexted is necessarily true of them.
>>724974482Radioactive atoms are unstable. When a neutron smashes into an atom of fissile material (such as uranium-235 or plutonium-239 or uranium-233), then there is a chance that the atom will split, releasing smaller atoms, fast moving neutrons, and gamma rays. These fast moving neutrons bash into more atoms or into the coolant's (such as water or sodium) atoms, allowing the cycle to continue. At scale, this movement and bashing and smashing results in the atoms of the fissile material and then the coolant vibrating. Lots of atoms each vibrating at scale is also known as heat. This heat is used to boil water. The steam turns a turbine. The turbine turns a generator. The generator generates electricity.
>>725011448>Considering they had an 80 year head start on them and still refused to pursue it maybe there is something more to the storySaying "80 year head start" is a bit of a stretch, considering the US's first Uranium NPP was built less than 70 years ago. Thorium was known as a viable fissile materiel 80 years ago but the technology for a practical reactor is much newer.The reality is that the United States has had no major public funding towards new forms of energy generation for the past 40-50 years, and major projects like this need to be state-driven. Additionally these days the Chinese have essentially a monopoly on most high-tech production. It's not just that things are built there, it's that the Chinese are the only ones who know how to do it. Most people do not realize the true extent of China's manufacturing dominance for this reason. The west has a couple of key technologies (namely in semiconductor production) but outside of that it's completely fucked.
>>725002137Solar?Stirling Motor?
>>725010203I just realized that the molten salt reactor concept has ties to the documentary with the bald guy that George Lucas ended up photobombing that one time. Fucking small world man lmao.
>>725010203You mean the molten thorium salt reactors? Yeah, they're a much cheaper and safer alternative to traditional nuclear reactors. A kilogram of enriched uranium goes for about 25k. A kilogram of thorium salt goes for $30
>>725013525>A kilogram of enriched uranium goes for about 25k. A kilogram of thorium salt goes for $30I'm watching a doco right now that just said exactly this. The money isn't in the reactors anymore. It's the fuel refinement and distribution. If you can produce twice the potential energy concentration for a fraction of the cost you are effectively slaughtering them on the open market. >inb4 nepotism screwed the concept over in the same way that the Lewis Gun got the shaft during WWI due to conflicting interests
>>725013795Yeah, the traditional fissible material is much more difficult to procure. There was also opposition to thorium salt because it's much harder to weaponize it, nations that maintained nuclear reactors also wanted to have the ability to weaponize them on demand.
>>725013858That's another point of contention too. But the fact that the concept of relatively clean and low cost energy generation is not being acted upon is hilarious. Like "Who gives a shit about the rest because I've got mine" mentality at scale.
We are so fucked as humanity once we advance far enough that no new water-boiling technology can be discovered.
>>725014003The fossil fuel industry as well does not want to lose money. A lot of very rich people are interested in nuclear power plants not being built because that would make their bottom line go down. Imagine if nuclear powered cargo ships were being built, that in human terms, with adequate maintenance can keep going forever, instead of needing to guzzle 200 tons of fuel per day. It extends to every avenue of fuel industries. Sure, we will never reach a level of miniaturization that will make nuclear cars a reality, but we are already at the point where it is completely usable for commercial shipping.
>>725004350>So, would you have a manual silo and the others just leave as automatic so bots use the network to supply requests in orbit?Nah I just request the materials and assemble them in flight.
>>725014023We will use the sun to melt ice planets one day, believe!
>>725014785>they're gonna boil Europa to fuel the Sol Dyson Swarm before moving onto sucking up asteroids from the Kuiper BeltGrim
>>724973417they boil water, it's as shrimple as that
>>725015325Gleba feels like less of a chore when you realize everything is unlimited
>>725014149Imagine running a flagship on something like this. If not a water based craft but an actual proto starship. You'll have more than enough energy to burn why not go one step further and use it to hoon across the way.
>>725015395
>>724976658Ask me how I know you're a blueprinting faggot
>>725010203the barrier to nuclear is entirely regulatory and political, not tech. even if you take the basic design proven from the 1960s, update it, and build it without ultra retarded regulations and politicking, it will be an order of magnitude cheaper and still safe than the clusterfuck it has become. thorium or molten salt may bring an advantage but you don’t even need those. the tech development priority should be small modular reactors that can be deployed with least custom field engineering and approval necessary. regular nuclear reactors these days are all large bespoke projects that end creating an insane clusterfuck on the engineering paperwork side, all to cater to special snowflake local politics, regulations, and ever changing building and environmental requirements creating insane delays and cost overruns. instead it should turn more like into a process where you’re deploying standard, pre-approved units with paperwork contained to that and doesn’t have to be repeated.
>>724982701Gleba is comfy. Aquilo is a shit planet with a shit gimmick and I stopped playing there.
>>725015395Post your base, then.I'm sure you didn't just use bots to do everything you were too stupid to learn how to use belts for.Show us you're not an animal. Go on,
>>725016332nta, but here's a link because I am again in the range of some absolute subhuman who got everyone banned:https://litter.catbox.moe/ucfq48ryzqdha08i.pngNow what, faggot?
>>725016332People who use bots on gleba are pants on head retarded. Belts give you control of what goes where and basically ensures everything on it is sorted by freshness.
>>725016332I just use filter splitters to make a spoilage bus man
>>725016897Do you actually need that much power
Does anyone know if the latest Widowmaker character skin mod is v1.0.2? There's a bug with the expansion enabled where I couldn't research copper wire and circuits when the mod was active. Disabling it, researching those requirements and re-enable again usually fixes it.
>>725006338wondering why my pc has come to a screeching halt before realising arty range has just finished researching
>>725015325>>725015826I do not fucking get it
>>725015965>even if you take the basic design proven from the 1960s, update itAs a matter of fact, that is called a boiling water reactor (BWR) instead of a High Pressure water reactor. Unlike a HPWR, a boiling water reactor doesn't get generate enough steam pressure to do a chernobyl kaboom but still generates more than enough pressure to spool up the turbinesAnd of course, that info doesn't matter. The democrats have attacked new nuke plants ever since jimmy carter
>>725017503I just wanted it to be square.
>>725019080It's quite hip
>>725019157Commercially, and artistically
>>725018429Neither do I
>>725019716Huh?
>>724982701gleba is the only interesting challenge in the entire expansion
>>724987919no, it only works on the small once which are pretty easy to kill to begin with
>>724973969makes you wanna crack open a cold one
Playing Factorio made me realise I'm probably not actually autistic.
>>724977812Water is a renewable resource. It grows back, so there is always more where it came from. Just like Malaysian housemaids.
You like my Fulgora train tracks?
>>725008215find a better way to convert power than spinning magnets around and we can move on
>>725022185Lightning rods
>>725023068And how is lightning made?BOILING WATER that forms into clouds and releases electricityCheckmate atheist
>>725011331Fusion wont solve anything. Fission could be the magic energy source of the future if we wanted it to be, but we dont and I dont see why people would just come around to fusion.
>>725023612Because fusion doesn't create the kind of radioactive waste that fission creates, which is the main point about all anti-nuclear sperging.
>>725023732If they were educated enough to understand this point they wouldn't be anti nuclear
>>725024050>to understand this pointhuh?
>>725023732>radioactive wasteWhy don't we just recycle it?
>>724973417>how do they work?They boil water. As do all the powerplants
>>725024472Because oil and gas corpos pay for that to not happen.
>>725016536>Efficiency on your Silo Beacons>On fucking Gleba>Where energy is FREE>That disgusting, unorganized spaghettiIt doesn't have to look ugly.This is basic shit anyone can do.The only things you should be using bots for at all is the adjacent shit like seeds and excess bacteria for sulfur production.
>>725024779The other anon asked for a non-bot factory. He got a non-bot factory. I didn't put much care into it, as it developed organically.Feels good not being a blueprinting faggot.No fucks given.
>>725025357He posted a base with downs syndrome. At that point he might as well go with a bot base, that shit is nasty looking. Look at his base. It's all over the place. No good outflowing spoilage. It 100% backs up and can't restart on its own. It took me seconds to notice that. Why didn't you?And don't tell me you don't use your own blueprints. Are you an actual retard? Why wouldn't you save your own builds that you made? Do you have mental problems?
>>725024779You run efficiency on Gleba because it reduces your nutrient consumption, dumpass.
>>725016536>Using processed fruit as fuel>When Jellynut is the best fuel source in the game at 10MJ you can just pull for free.>Not to mention the terrible science build that results in a containment breach if anything goes wrong
>>725026164>Silos>Nutrient consumptionStay in school, kids.
>>725023612>very little safety risk, worst case scenario is an explosion of the actual building>no pollution, completely clean>cheap, functionally infinite fuelLast one is the big one. It really does mean you can just scale power production essentially infinitely. This is a Factorio thread, you should understand the fundamental difference it makes to be able to just paste something down anywhere.
>>725026226>kids>reaction face>i'm not mad your mad
>>725026321I'm honestly not mad.Just disappointed.
>>725026164Nutrients have insane throughput why limit the consumption
>>725016852You know what else does that? Bots.>>725021958I usually just doublehead the trains and run a single bidirectional track out from the main line to each mining island. The shared rails (the roundabout and everything to the left of it, in this case) remain single-direction for easier traffic management.
>>725024779>That disgusting, unorganized spaghettiGleba was built for sovlgetti.Uploading the actual screenshot elsewhere for filesize not because I got rangebanned:https://litter.catbox.moe/m2cjlzeuxpv1d3wv.pngm
>>725027027>404
>>725027027>.pngmwhoopshttps://litter.catbox.moe/m2cjlzeuxpv1d3wv.png
>>725027027>Spagget good!You COULD do gleba on a single looping belt, technically, given how it works, but doing it by the ratios is totally fine.You just have a higher tolerance for chaos than I do.I want my organization. It helps keep things more aesthetic, too.In this game, failing to plan is planning to fail. You've definitely had to pin point issues that go wrong with your builds here and there, I bet.
>>725027215Honestly it's more about learning the process for that initial time. Obviously I could do it better if I tore it down and started again. Generally I do think some degree of spaghetti is a good sign of having fun, because it's a sign you're the limit of what you currently know how to do. I've always enjoyed being forced to build that way, more than actively tried for it.Also this was my initial first gleba base, and I didn't realize I could drop supplies without a landing pad until I was most of the way through, so I was building from scratch (hence the shitty fucking iron/copper stacks). Having already done Fulgora like that I decided to just roll with it and keep doing that for my first playthrough.
>>725027027Why are people proud of bot bases on Gleba?That is not something you should be proud of.It's like a woman being proud she's always having abortions like it's something to be celebrated.You have a job to do, and you want to feel good about intentionally failing? What?
>>725027108Do I need to say it
>>725027412Where do you see a bot base
>>724974482
>>725026504>You know what else does that? Bots.No, they don't. As soon as you throw items into a chest they get stacked and lose individual freshness.
>>725027412>no you cant use bots for low volume transport of specific items even though that's basically what they're designed to doWhy do people think like this?
>>725027412>you have to use no bots at all or it's a bot baseCome on anon.>>725027479Yes.
>>725007681I made my aquilo as self-sufficient as possible because it seemed like a cool challenge. Iron, copper, water, carbon, etc all come from dedicated platforms that grab everything from asteroids. I also process all raw materials on-planet because I wanted a reason to build a big base, so I ship raw tungsten, yumako and holmium rather than the end products.
>>725027763It's the "you didn't beat the game" of Factorio. Nobody knows why it exists. Trolling and farming Yous, probably, because people reply and engage.
>>724973417it boils water
>>725023068did you know generating power from lightning is a poor idea because it's ultimately derived from the sun? hydroelectricity is far more efficient because you're closer to the "source". if we could figure out a way to make solar panels more efficient they'd be the absolute best way to generate energy.
>>725028290>Hydroelectricity Oh wow so at this point we're not even boiling the fucking thing ???
>>725028386technically the sun is boiling it for you. then you wait until it falls.
Fuck it I'll post the other two as well.Fulgora I definitely abused bots pretty badly. I was kind of thinking of turning the whole place into a qualitymaxxing train autism place but I don't know if I can be fucked. Spage wasn't fun enough to really drive me to play this, hence why I'm still chipping away at this playthrough like a year after release.https://litter.catbox.moe/67qoiuqgr50po7c5.png
>>725028290>if we could figure out a way to make solar panels more efficientI have a bright idea - point some flashlights on them. Electricity at night!
>>725028762Nevermind Vulcanus was too spread out to screenshot command easily and it's a fucking boring planet anyway.
>>724973417uhhh Factorio sisters, we have nuclear reactors at home
>>725028762Only after posting this did I realize it's backed up on fucking blue chipshuh
>>725028924But that's a flame heating it up not radiation
>>725029352thermal radiation
>>725029352ever hear of thermal radiation chud, look it up
>>724976658>bots are african codedbut they work, and they work well, and the only reason they don't take as much planning is because they are well programmed and can find their way to their destination themselfes. Are you implying that africans could create something like this? Belt-spaghetti, now that is african coded.
>>725028762The medium island trash mines run out pretty quick don't they
>>725029430>>725029442Fuck you
>>724984610NTA but I'm mostly having issues with the empty cells it makes. Right now I just have an arm that puts it in a box but as soon as the box is full it stopes working and my factory shuts down.
>>725029573Ever heard of belts?
>>725029573Anon... there's a reprocessing recipe.
>>725028762>using bots to deliver gearsNGMI
>>725029573I'm quite sur you have a centrifuge recipe to turn empty fuel cells back into u238 as soon as you unlock nuclear energy
>>724976335It reduced the realism in how much pollution uranium mines make, and just transferred that pollution to the rest of the factory.You can always use a mod to make it more realistic, and just make areas around any uranium mine death zones.
>>725029545Yeah but the deep ones seem to last forever so whatever.>>725029712I'm using bots to trash everything. It's a terrible solution but it can't really be fixed without reworking everything, and realistically platforms.I feel like the best solution for Fulgora would be highly train-dependant, as I said. Have a trash processing island, have a separate train picking up each ingredient from that island, and so on.
>>725029573I'm assuming you just blueprint your way through the game instead of being an actual retard.
>>725028762Why only red belts? Fulgora is blue belt heaven.
>>724976335>>725029835The reactors themselves don't produce any pollution though.Mines are one of the biggest polluters typically in most bases.
>>725029742Its slightly after. First you get nuclear, then with space science iirc you unlock the kovarex process.
>>725029954Space + not realizing until just now how retardedly easy lube is to get there.
>>725029869My only issue with using bots on Fulgora is, when a requester chest makes a request for whatever you set junk levels to, every bot tries to stuff every requested item into one chest, then they have to pull them back and put them back into the main logistical chests.I haven't figured out a way to make bots only bring one type of item to an empty chest.I guess I could technically make the chests specific to one item, but fuck that, I'm doing quality, that's like hundreds of items.
>>725030015It's its own research, not kovarex, and it only takes purple science (plus RGB).
>>725029573>but as soon as the box is full it stopes workingYou filled up an entire chest with deplete fuel cells and you somehow didn't figure out what you can do with them? Are you retarded?
>>724974895This desu.
>>725030143Oh you are right, I thought it was part of kovarex.
>>725005281I personally get filtered by purple. Probably because I refuse to look up blueprints.
>>725028386Sure we are. Lightning and hydroelectric are both ultimately enabled by water evaporating.
>>725030078>every bot tries to stuff every requested item into one chest, then they have to pull them back and put them back into the main logistical chests.What? Normally a bot will complete its delivery regardless of if the request gets removed after the bot starts too, so I don't know how that's happening.>I'm doing quality, that's like hundreds of items.I'm sure the efficiency is close enough to fine if you just make one chest per item and accept multiple qualities.Putting your storage near your recycler request would probably solve the problem too realistically.
>>725030446>I get filtered by purpleHow? It always feels easier than the others. Do you just not have enough resources?
>>725008215Ronaldo was right.
>>725005281>start game>reach full defense perimeter >You Must Construct Additional Mining Outposts>depot suffocates >repeat infinitely
>>725029559Fuck you, fire man. How about we settle this right here in the botmall?
>>725030446It's not as bad as you think but yeah, it requires resources you usually don't have nearby and absorbs a ton of certain others. Historically when I've said 'fuck it, I'll do it tomorrow', it's been military science, purple science, platform construction, or Gleba
>>725029917No, it's because I'm retarded that I don't use blueprintsI don't know how to save and place them
>>725030557I don't know man, it's hard to make a decent sized area that makes rails and furnaces locally.
>>725029573>>725030740based retard
>>724974361>space platforms are literally just progressively-larger sushi beltsgenuinely made me never want to replay the game againjust annoying and boring design that you're forced into for every ship
>>725030863Beacon that bitch till it works
>>724980068only advantage the new system has is that it can handle the retarded high fluid throughputs quality lets you obtaini don't like it. several parallel pipelines feeding a machine block are much sexier than the shit we have nowthe sound removal is also a sin2.0fluids also really aren't better UPS-wise at all, somehow
>>725030893>>724974361>only part of the entire game that incentivizes mixed beltsI think it's cool and the best part of spage.Still looking forward to spaceships in the spagified spex more though
>>725030893Bro just have a big fucking cargo that buffers everythingIf you have too much of something just circuit condition it and toss it all into space
>>724974361Then mix it in the belt if you are so great.
>>725030968I still think the old fluid system was fun to deal with sometimes. I'll never forget the time my friend built an NPP too far from the shore and I made a retarded train conga line to sate its thirst instead of letting him cut and paste it closer.
>>725031037>that shipI truly kneel
My main issue with purple and yellow is that I don't know how much raw materials I should put in or what parts I should just make somewhere else to feed into it.
>>725031037784x6448
>>725030483I'm not explaining it right>count main logistical storage with a combinator>set a decider to output ANY item over a certain number, say 2000>hook the output of the decider up to a bunch of requester chests feeding into recyclers>naturally with the speed of my scrap processing (which uses different recyclers to prevent clogging) there's the occasion where there's over 2000 of more than one type of item>this means the requester chests are requesting sometimes tens of thousands of items at once and the bots try to bring them all>one of the items makes it to the chest and the bots have to take the other items that didn't make it back>it's like a 1:50 ratio of items that make it to the chest to items that have to get sent backTo be honest it's not really a problem as I have more than enough bots to cover the ones that are basically just flying around doing nothing, but it still bothers me that I haven't been able to figure it out.
>>725031037nice space cock
>>725030870Not sure about 2.0 but it used to be that you didn't unlock the ability to make blueprints until you launched a rocket if I remember right.He's still a tard though.
>>725031037Didn't they nerf what mines and walls do to asteroids?
>>725010203u233 is much spicier than the conventional stuff - you need thick fucking gamma shields and humans still can't get anywhere nearthe core gets irradiated MUCH harder so you gotta replace the entire thing every couple years
>>725024515I boil water too. Am I a nuclear power plant?
>>725032053Technically yes. But you don't boil water. Your device does.
>>725031223>one of the items makes it to the chest and the bots have to take the other items that didn't make it backFairly sure this shouldn't be happening unless you have trash unrequested on in the bluechest, which you shouldn't.>count main logistical storage with a combinator>set a decider to output ANY item over a certain number, say 2000Pretty sure this might be the problem too. Generally for limits I've found the best way is>read from logistic network (from roboport)>filter for items you actually want to trash>add to negative of limit set on a constant combinator>send that to requestor chestThis has the advantage of accounting for items in transit etc.
My body is a machine that turns water into ammoniated water
>>725032226can you stop
>>725032327Only once
>>725032327It would be extremely painful.
>>725032294Silly anon, stompers aren't an ingredient in a recipe
>>725032217Holy shit, I didn't realize it but just changing the input from the logistics chests themselves to a roboport fixed it. Like you said, they accounted for items that the bots were already on in transit for/with.
>>725032464You're a big bladder
>>725032294You can't park there.
>>725031425I'm just not gonna update that's all.
>>725032779Pretty sure I had a mod that reverts them but I'm not going to boot it up to check
>>725032294Why everybody always get assaulted on Gleba? I got a big farm and lots of pollution but I never face the so mythical Gleba hordes even with a titanic spore cloud. Camps are so far out in the wild the first time I had to travel far away to find eggs to kickstar Agri science and even then everybody was just small clusters.
>>725032993this was an x1000 science multiplier run with the gleba-only mod, so not quite the usual experience
>>725032993space age release had a much harder glebachunk absorption of spores was massively buffed in a patch
>>725032217I posted that then realized my method requires one combinator per item which you wouldn't want to do with quality.There's almost certainly a way to do it with only a few but I'm tired and don't remember if there was a hacky way to multiply one signal by another to filter out items you hadn't set limits on.>>725032568Oh, yeah, the roboport logistics output is very useful. It'll even go negative if there's unfulfilled requests iirc.
>>725031206Do you play on a version where the building doesn't tell you how much maximum material it can use per second to produce the product? I used to play on that version.
