The old sandman was balanced and I'm tired of pretending its notIf you stood still its only your fault you got stunned
variant weapons ruined tf2.
>>724976508Agreed. Stunning was a completely valid effect for Scout to have offensively, it rewarded good aim due to the duration being dependent on distance, and the health reduction was an acceptable counter.With slow, the Sandman is an infinitely worse Natasha.
The stun is retarded and I'm glad they got rid of it.
>>724976738I saw your retarded ass posting on some other tf2 thread. How exactly would this game benefit from making sure the players quit after about 50 hours at the most?
they should make the ball do significantly more damage and bounce off players back towards where you hit it from, so you can catch it and hit it again with no cooldown as long as your aim is good and you don't flub the catchIt would still be a meme but at least it would be a fun meme
>>724978038a damage increase with a speed boost would make the sandman fun to use
I 'member when sandman took away your double jump, and would fully stun enemiesthat was hilariously broken but in a fun way
>>724976508The only nerf I see as balanced is the guillotine, because stun + cleaver was too OP. The rest is retarded bullshit.
Comptrannies killed tf2. Not everything has to be le fair and balanced
The slowdown should also affect fire/reload speed. That ought to make the right balance of being obnoxious but without completely inhibiting control.
>>724976508Agreed. And the FG combo was amazing with it.Just people crying for no reason
>>724976738Being able to experiment with different weapons and playstyles is why TF2 remains the most fun you can have online for free.
>>724976508Old Axetinguisher too.Competitive is cancer.
>>724976930>>724976508Yeah, it's great when an enemy invalidates me from shooting any more. We love it when Short Circuit deletes projectiles because it costs metal to use, sucu a valuable resource to the engineer so that balances it. Same thing.
>>724979385Man the pre nerf degreaser, flare gun, axt combo pyro was so fun to play.
>>724976508>If you stood still its only your fault you got stunnedThat's precisely the problem. It's not hard to hit a moving target with a projectile in this game.
>>724979517>>724979385I personally miss when Pyro could Reserve Shooter minicrit
>>724978893>remainsYeah no. Game pisses me off way too much nowadays.
for me it was Equalizer getting split in two weaponsgayest move possible
>>724979940Escape plan is still the best melee so it was warranted. Sandman is completely useless now
>>724979940Escape Plan is still one of the best "utility melee" weapons in the game, so splitting it from the equalizer was a good move.
>>724976508Game went to shit when they added unlocks at all
>best combat class game gets a free shot on you for hitting you with the fastest projectile in the game>all he has to meaningfully give up is a stock weapon that he wasn't using anywayThis would have only ever been considered fair if it was on a shitty class that can't disengage from any fight if he didn't want it.There's a reason no one thinks the Holiday Punch is overpowered.
>>724977684>>724978893And then you dumbasses wonder why it attracts so many undesirable trannies and dramafaggots lmao. You all go on about how great the game is but flee like bitches when you're made to play it like it's supposed to, wish nothing but the worst towards TF2 fans
>>724976508>play on a weapon revert server>come across one or two scouts that happen to be using the sandman> they are just using it as a free "win the 1v1" button instead of hitting sick-ass flying guillotine combos from across the room or map>be enlightened on the fact that these are the retards that are still crying on /v/ about their crutch getting nerf nuked>more than a decade laterwhat a good reminder those servers are
>>724980909bitter retard.Game was always supposed to get updates you tranny
>fastest projectile in the entire game
>>724980909>when you're made to play it like it's supposed toI love it when a neckbeard tells me how a gamedev they don't know thinks and feels
>>724976738Agreed. Every update pushed the game further and further from the version I loved. I think demomen charging at me with swords was the tipping point for me.
>>724981153I don't think so?Huntsman, flare gun, crossbow, direct hit, loch and load are all faster
>>724981018>bitter retard.Don't act high and mighty, we're both in the designated bitter old faggot TF2 thread>Game was always supposed to get updatesYeah and see where that lead the game, you asswipe.Shit as early as the demoknight was catastrophic>you trannyYou're the tranny for liking this garbage.Now you call me that again and we reply endlessly to each other like that>>724981368>how a gamedev they don't know thinks and feelsI love how the dev's vision always matters except when they pump out an update you don't approve of like MyM for example, which was even worse than unlocks but not worse than Mannconomy which birthed most of the cancer that plagues the industry today. Their plan was always stupid and the only work they deserve merit for was making the base game, everything else has been objectively awful for everyone. The fact that you played it when you were twelve and are now a nostalgic little bitch for shit that's always sucked ass doesn't make it actually good. The art direction is 11/10 however, still the best part about the game, this turd would've been dead a decade ago if it didn't look as perfect as it does
>>724982008I'm not bitter, I still play it and it's still a good game.I wish ambi, sandman, combo pyro, caber all got reverted but people who complain about muh cosmetics or unlocks are retarded
>>724982156>I wish ambi, sandman, combo pyro, caber all got revertedThen play on castaway, dumbass, they're a club of the worst faggots around but they provide what dudes like you want, weapon reverts, free voice chat, sprays, not so tyranical moderation and such. Sadly no one can provide what I want
>>724982008Was mym made by the original devs? If so I think we can all agree that was a shite move, otherwise I would also say it fucked over the adhoc connection system the game intented to have for players.Why the pivot though? You were the one who said >but flee like bitches when you're made to play it like it's supposed toOr are you a different guy?
Stuns do not belong in FPS shooter games because it feel like you're basically sitting on your hands when you get stunned. Stuns are more acceptable in MMOs and mobas as you continue to have control of the camera when stunned.
>>724982156Have you played on the Castaways server?
>>724982447Quality post. Shit, I don't even think slows do either.
>>724981459https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Projectiles
>>724976508>>724976930Go back to your ASSFAGGOTSStuns do not belong in tf2, and never did.
>>724983896I stand corrected then. The fact the projectile arcs does balance it tho
>>724976508It's actually baffling to me that ANYONE complained in the first placeIt even put you in 3rd person it was a fucking BUFF if you got cleaverd it was a fucking skill issue, it'd emblematic of the horrible """balance""" changes that MyM and ranked mode introduced
>>724976508I'd still use it even in the shit state it is now if it could still combo with the cleaverBut of course they had to go and change that as well
>>724984476the only people i can see bitching about it are heavy and sniper mains heavy mains because they get fucked by everything already, and snipers because it would allow scout to actually be able to defend himself against them outside of immediate range
>>724985597Heavy also gets unrevved when stunned, so the stun is extra long for him before he can fire again
>>724984476how on earth is being defenseless a buff
Ambi nerf was fine. Sniper being cancerous doesn't justify Spy doing the same.Caber nerf was fine. Demoman should not be able to oneshot light classes in melee range and punish you for doing what you're supposed to be doing against him at very little cost to himself.Sandman nerf was fine, stuns are shit.
>>724986032ambi needs it's range tweaked, it does less damage than it's supposed to outside of close range headshots, and even then those don't scale properly caber was totally fine, only one class was actually vulnerable to it and he can also instant kill at any range, at most tweak it so it leaves the demo with only a sliver of health from fullsandman was whatever, removing the cleaver combo was a crime
>>724986280The problem with caber was that it punished the opponent for getting in the range Demoman shouldn't be using his explosives effectively. All of Demoman's melee options require him to sacrifice his potent midrange or take extra time to be holstered. Meanwhile with a Caber user, at any moment he could pull up an unconditional melee crit and kill you instantly. Even if it took him down in the process, it makes interactions tend towards lose-lose.
>>724976508It took about as much skill as the Huntsman which is to say find a choke enemies are contesting and spam it.
>>724981153>fastest projectile with no splash damageIf your weapon doesn't have splash damage, then it better have hitscan
>>724988442it took more skill since scout is a fast moving class
>>724986032bazed
