Publishing a game costs you $100Here is the actual jokeTwo factory owners start talking to each other.I haven't paid my worker's in six months but they keep showing up!How about you?8 months!Next I'm gonna charge them an entrence fee!
Cant hear you, playing Fire Emblem on my Steam Deck ©®™
>>725377685Maybe don't publish a game if you don't expect a return on it.Alternatively, if you just want to put a game out for recognition or something, is $100 really that much?
That's right. When Marx wrote Das Kapital he mentioned the mass ownership of 'ecks were part of Historical Materialism.
>>725377685It's just a deposit that they had to add to curb the influx of shovelware when they opened the store for everyone.You get it back once your game grosses $1000, and if you're not confident that your game will make that much then the system is working.
>>725377886They are literally making millions from this but you didn't get the joke.Did paying the money actually improve how much bad games are on steam?NoDid they make you pay to work?Yes
>>725378067Literally most games on steam don't hit that and the service is still full of trash you got played
Reminder that what came before steam, and what all their competitors with their faux-stores are aiming for, is a return to publishers and retailers taking 70%+ and you not getting paid at all until they've recouped the publishing and retailer costs.
$100 gets you>unlimited bandwidth for people to download your game>The ability to have automatic emails sent to inform wishlisters when your game is on sale>a forum to talk to your community>global payment processing>DRM>Cloud saves for your players>remote play for your players>customer support is handled by Steam for most issues such as refunds>algorithmic discovery tools>matchmaking, leaderboards, stats tracking>an analytics dashboardAnd more. Sorry your shitty indie game didnt sell. Maybe make a good product next time and actually advertise rather than dump it on Steam
>>725378187>you got playedNo, the shovelware pushers got played. And I'm glad they lost their money.
>>725378295>No [I didn't get played,]Is that why you don't browse games on Steam and instead use other sources to find out about games?
>>725378285And all of that would have been included from the cut they take.You are too stupid to understand that literally millions in profit is taken without providing anything since dead games don't use any resources.
>>725378076Its not like gaben is holding you at gun point to publish your asset flip on steam, cheaper alternatives exist like itch.io, gog...even pixiv at certain degree....hell epic even pays you to pick them.
>>725378295Ah yes children that wasted their money and summer making a game got scammed.Good job guy
Should be 10,000$, maybe the store wouldn't have so much shovelware.
Peddle your wholesome chungus game on itch.io or some shit, there's already enough third worldies who eat the cost on Steam. 100 dollars is literally nothing
>>725377685>anon discovers admission fees for selling on a capitalist market>calls it communism
>>725377685If there was no entrance fee then the indie shovelware slop would be 1000x worse. Also that $100 deposit is refunded when you get atleast $1000 in sales. Don't make a shit game and you'll get your money back.
>>725378597You are too stupid to understand that you only make money if you make a game people want to play>be shitty mumble rapper>chant over shitty rap beats to make album>shadow drop the album onto iTunes>no one buys your shitty album>WTF APPLE MADE ME WORK FOR FREERetarded commie. You better get used to factory work because you aren't cut out for a truly competitve environment like gamedev
>>725378646Everything is dead steam is a monopoly.Just like Only fag's most people won't make much and this is taking candy from a baby literally.Don't want trash on your platform how about you pay someone to do quality control.
>>725377685Steam is not a developer's employer. Steam offers a service, taking its cut in return.If you hate business this much, don't sell anything, and get a job instead.
Lmao post your game OP, I need a laugh
>>725378796Bet it's millions every single year
>>725377685deck wonpenguin wonwinbloat lostindia lost
>>725378076>Did paying the money actually improve how much bad games are on steam?It did tho.>B-But look at these thousands of bad gamesOk imagine if it were millions.
>>725378743>>725378835Yes that actually might fix it because at 10k you don't get children falling for this scam
>>725377685Well yeah, why would it be free in this capitalist society? You're buying a space for your game. They could charge more plus add periodic fees on top of it, but apparently they don't?
Notice in the very same breath they will complain about the $100 fee being unreasonable, and steam having too much shovelware.Notice how they will pretend steam is too restrictive with its pitiful $100 publishing fee, despite no other major platform doing anything near as open.We get these threads every single day, day in and day out. This is the most transparent shill campaign this board has ever seen.
>>72537874310k is too much but I do think $100 is too cheap. $500 is more than fair
>>725379015Now imagine if they actually hired people to check games out!
>>725379107This type of seething autism makes me love Steam even more. God I love my Deck ©®™
>>725379090If it sells nothing they are providing nothing but they are taking money.
>>725379261>If it sells nothing they are providing nothing but they are taking money.Sounds like capitalism to me
>>725379156Then anything you made would never get listed because you are a talentless troon
>>725379261If they're not providing anything then you don't need Steam and can self-publish the game on your own website, no?
>>725379128Nope make it 10k at 500 you will still trap Timmy
>>725379261They're providing hosting space and access to an established payer base of literally millions that they cultivated over 2 decades.
What is your job in the communist utopia? Mine would be Troon Execution Expert
>>725379156>Now imagine if they acted like an arbitrary gatekeeper like every other storefrontNo, I think that would be bad.>>725379261>buy ad in newspaper>doesn't lead to any sales>WHAT THE FUCK THEY TOOK MY MONEY AND PROVIDED NOTHING
>>725379261And that's fair.
>>725379261You might genuinely be a retard, you're not buying anything with the $100, its a publishing fee to put your game on the store, and it gets refunded to you when you get $1000 in sales.
Indie devs are some of the most entitled drama filled retards, and OP bitching about spending $100 to self-publish just proves my point.Hey OP, fuck off back to twitter to brag to your retarded followers on the progress of your shitty fucking game.I'm sure you're one of those self-absorbed faggots who make a big deal out of your game re-using technology already perfected in the 90's.
>>725379316Oh no but I keep my money?Good >>725379396Not if it sells nothing and is seen by nobody for all I know they hide it completely and jut take the cash
>>725379526>Not if it sells nothing and is seen by nobody for all I know they hide it completely and jut take the cashYou can link it right now and I'll take a look at it to prove that you're being retarded, but you won't because you're a coward.
Kek this retard lost $100 and will now be evicted
>>725379416There is a gatekeeper if you think there isn't you are delusional.And yes if nothing sells would ask for my money back advertising is another scam.
>>725379431You are a jew
>>725379742>There is a gatekeeper if you think there isn't you are delusional.There isn't.They'll put your game on their storefront for $100. Hence all the trash.>And yes if nothing sells would ask for my money back advertising is another scam.I hope Epic asks for their money back from you then, you delusional retard.
>>725379828You literally worship a worthless jew names Marx lmao
>>725379441Milions are taken from people and nothing is provided hell for all I know the game is set to invisible too all user's unless they search for it specifically.
>>725377685phenomenal bait butsteam literally returns that 100 if you sell well
>>725379508I don't make games I'm just here to prove to a friend that communism is alive and well and that you are all retards.Thanks for participating.By
>>725379934>he thinks just because its on steam it must do wellYour indie game must suck ass if you're seething this much over $100
>communism is when a private corporation takes your money to facilitate your product's salesTruly insane how mindbroken rightoids are lmao
>>725380046You understand communism probably as well as you understand what makes a good video game
FINE. HERE IS MY GAMEhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2386870/Furry_Femboys/Steam is a monopoly
>>72537912810K means you have to get a bank loan or convince your rich family to give you the money.
>>725380461Nigga do you realize how much 10k is to some people around the world? We'd miss out on some great games certainly
>>725380420I knew it was some gay furry shit.
>>725380695There was no game read the thread
>>725380785That was a shitposter impersonating OP. OP posted his game
>>725378743that would kill humble and fanatical
Why are there so many retarded third worlders here now?
>>725380873Yah this but exactly the opposite
>>725380998Because there is no first world anymore.Parts of American look worse then Afghanistan
>>725381034Nice backtracking OP. Your game is shit
>>725377685>Counter strike 2free>DotA 2free>deadlockfree>left 4 dead 2got it for free
>>725381163Op is gone its just you and me Mr furry
>>725381259Cope harder OP
Do not talk to steam cultists. They don't have brains.
>>725381168There is no such thing as free somebody paid
>>725380581Steam is an american store company.
>>725377685shut the fuck up already, Tim, you stupid chinese cock sucking bitch
>>725381329I'm not a furry your existence is cope I literally can't beat that
>>725380046>>725378597>>725377685you're the one begging them to be communists because you can't accept the reality of having to pay for a service for some reasonyour friend is probably making fun of you and shitting on you at this exact moment
>>725381448Nice 12 year old comeback faggot
>>725381536Thanks now turn that dildo to max and cry or whatever your kind does
>THE $100 FEE IS THERE TO KEEP SHOVELWARE OUT!Is that so? Well thank goodness for that, that fatfuck gabencunt put in this fee so only the most prestigious and quality games like picrel could sell on Steam!
Failed individuals always blame the system for their own failures.
>>725381970I agree now move to north Korea and be successful.Do it i double dare you
>>725381848I wish they were more aggressively policing the EA tag on games.Too many idle with minimal patches to the point people just get disappointed and give up on waiting for 1.0.
>>725381691Im not even the guy you were arguing about, I just think you're a pathetic faggot.Sorry that $100 is too much for your brown third world ass.
>>725382090yes I would lead a successful life there too.>n-no you wouldn'tyes I would. Keep crying, failed loser.
>>725382185I'm not op but you probably went to an alter bring back mister fuzxy
>>725381848https://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/text/gabencunt/what causes someone to do this
>>725382259Do it
>>725382184So you agree that the 100$ fee is useless and a scam, and that Greenlight should be brought back, right?
>>725382394in fact I already live in North Korea and I'm successful. Keep crying.
>>725382396Ew, don't reply to me again.
>>725382461너는 안 하지만 나는 그래
>>725378076>Did paying the money actually improve how much bad games are on steam?absolutely>Did they make you pay to work?no? They paid you to not workFeel free to publish a game yourself & see how much work it is100$ is a bargain for it
>>725382580I accept your concession.
>>725382602와, 잘했어. 나도 머신러닝 쓸 수 있거든.
>>725377685>retard who can't use quotes will look at two billionaires with their slaves and call it communism
>>725378597>since dead games don't use any resourcesthats objectively wrong.
>>725382307Nice English, shitskin
>>725382698Why would you tell people you love eating dog balls on a gaming thread?
>>725377685$100 keeps the big flood of third worlders away.Honestly it should actually be more expensive.
>>725383012Bastard bitch!
>>725382461Could you set me up for a job ? I went to college and everything.
>>725382951Are you back fuzzy!Did you get the ball?That's a good boy!
>>725383064>$100 keeps the big flood of third worlders away.Have you ever opened the New Releases tab once, ever, retard?
>>725383064>$100 keeps the big flood of third worlders away.i wish it did so op can keep his shitty game out
>>725383253its probably why he is so asshurt.
>>725383184why would I do that
>>725383325By saying this you admit that it doesn't.
>>725377685I don't publish games so I don't care if indie slop devs have to pay $100. Also I only play games that people make videos/articles on so I don't see all of the shovelware.
>>725383379?????
>thirdies expecting preferential treatment and top of the line marketing for $100
>>725381486>6 toes on left foot>two toes on right>fucked up eyeshot
>>725377685steamies are redditors and redditors love communism, go figure.
Legit how fucking poor can you be if 100$ is too much for you????This is a few hours of minimum wage work in most 1st world countries.Is this a case of pajeets being mad a platform developed for white people is out of their reach?
>>725377685>>725383554I want a good laugh. In your own words, explain communism and how Steam is the same.
>>725383464You said that the $100 keeps away the third world shovelware games.You said you never open New Releases tab on Steam. Why? Because it's filled with said third world shovelware. Which means that the 100$ fee is a SCAM. It doesn't even do the ONE thing you steamcucks claim it does. Gabencunt removed Greenlight which was a working system to actually keep the shovelware out.
>>725383610How many of these "developers" are actual children publishers?I'm serious is this thing taking advantage of kids?
>>725383720you dont know what you are talking about you jeet.the actual flood of garbage if it was free would be biblical.
>>725383817>retarded steamcuck can't follow a conversationAnd you call me a jeet lmao.I already said we had a good system before, the Greenlight system, where THE USERS voted on what gets to be on Steam, if Valve is too lazy to moderate the platform themselves.
>>725383720yes the 100 dollars is too low tbqh. It should be 1000$ at least to keep turd worlders like you away from publishing on steam
>>725383925didnt read, jeet
>>725383720>why have publisher fee it doesn't keep out shovelware>why have anticheat it doesn't keep out cheaters>why have borders it doesn't keep out illegals>why have passwords it doesn't keep out hackersCongrats on being the biggest retard on this board today, if you can't understand that its to prevent most shovelware then seek help.
>>725383938I agree but make it 10k I want art fag's to loose their homes
>>725384037I accept your concession.
>>725377685Lets see how much it costs to publish a game on the shelves......
>>725384117>equating border security and OPSEC with moderating a fucking videogame storeSmartest steamcuck.
>>725377685The people crying are also puppeting dead checkmark account on twitter with all ai art and complaining about publishing on steam. Their game sucks ass because it's usually templates with ai assets swapped in hastily
>>725384117You are literally falling for marketing>its to prevent most shovelware then seek help.Look at the math most people don't make 1k even if the game is OK.The road to hell....
>>725383720>Greenlight which was a working systemlmao
>>725384239I accept your defeat.>>725384365>put game on steam>instantly think it means successIndie devs are a mistake.
>>725384157
>>725384365>Look at the math most people don't make 1k even if the game is OK.and?
Xbox Ally X > everything
>>725384456>>725384460>chimps out when runs out of arguments and goes for "UR LE INDIAN" cardThat's how you know they lost.
>>725384365>I am entitled to success because I paid $100cant make this up
>>725384441Explain what was wrong with it then, retard.
>>725384516They are making milions
>>725384602It had entirely devolved to shitty asset flips that botted entry and actual games were completely swallowed and ignored.Additionally, having a fucking popularity contest to be allowed to sell your game is fundamentally retarded.
>>725384674yes, and?
>ITT the same whiny faggot who cries endlessly about how no one bought his game, played his game, tested his game, in game dev threads, on /v/, and makes zero effort to tell us the game.This is why you failed OP. Stop crying like a blubbering faggot and tell us the game name.
>>725384541there's no other argument to be made against you because if you complain about losing an investment of 100 fucking dollars than you're poor. End of the story.
>>725384591Cool how about they give the milions they are making back to gamers?
>>725384790why would they do that
>>725384734Not caring about every single penny you own is literally proof you are poor and a larping faggot.
>>725384724>he thinks OP actually sold a gameNigga this is one of Timmy's shill threads. Notice how it started as "this price is unfair!" and then shifted to "steam has so much shovelware, steam should just arbitrarily choose which games to sell!".
>>725384721I hope someone in government witnesses your intelligent attitude and makes you pay $50 every day you go to work!Wops they already do never mind.
>>725384861dude a fucking haircut costs me 100$. Of course I wouldn't care if I spent 100$ to publish a game on steam.
>>725384948I think its time for your meds.
>>725384861A $100 investment is an objectively trivial one-time cost for any economic endeavor. You will encounter larger costs regularly on literally any business and nobody that makes any real amount of money would second-guess a $100 investment, especially if it was returned.
>>725384693>It had entirely devolved to shitty asset flips that botted entrySo it's better to just open the floodgates and have 0 quality control instead of implementing basic moderation and bot protection features? Valve is fucking less competent than Microsoft then.
>>725384815Because the point was too clean up the story right?Why keep the money?There are other options that don't involve fucking people over
Valve is filled with lazy do nothings that refuse to manually do anything>Greenlight is being bottedModerate it? No just remove it>Now the front page is filled with garbageJust hide every game by default until a game has enough wishlists or reviews>Now slop devs are botting their wishlists and reviewsJust stop taking wishlists into account entirely and make it so reviews from game keys don't countCompletely fucked the market so now only streamerbait gets any traction but atleast valve, the multibillion dollar company, didn't have to do any actual work.
>>725385074>Because the point was too clean up the story right?no
>>725385010I'm just bored and your IQ is just too low
>>725385164meds
>>725385070Yes, it is better to let anyone publish their game rather than play catchup with bots while decent games languish unable to make an arbitrary number of votes without obnoxious social media campaigns.The current solution lets anyone put their game up. This is good.The current solution disincentivizes people from spamming the storefront with games they know won't sell. This is good.There is no actual downside to the current solution and you have not even tried to give one this entire thread.
>>725385129Manually doing things is a shitty retarded way to run a platform. Valve got where they are because they know they need to set up a SYSTEM that works.
>>725385193I'm gonna show your government how stupid you are and invent another tax.You deserve an air tax.
Steam is actively taking games they label as "too risque" off the store right now because of some puritans causing a stink and niggers here want to give these biased faggots even more decision making power
>>725385319utterly schizophrenic drivel
>>725377685Don’t they literally give you the 100$ back or something? I thought it was a deposit to filter out tards like you.
>>725377685As a user I approve of this so that the market doesn't get flooded with slop that games the recommendation/approval system like greenlight did.
>>725385220If you are a kid and you make your first game this takes your money and you get nothing.You might quit making games in general.Also that's literally taking candy from a baby.If you can't see that you have no morales
>>725385293>Manually doing things is a shitty retarded way to run a platform.They already have to manually approve each and every game you release on their store to check it for malware and shit, and they have already declined various games from Steam from being too risque. You're telling me they can't also do quality control at this stage? Get the fuck out.
Socialism is confusing a cultural problem with an economic one, and offering a solution that only worsen the cultural problem.If your population is a bunch of souless bugmen that think on nothing, just number go up. If they don't have any sort of higher desire or purpose or plan, you end up with shit.And if you change to socialism? they will keep being souless bugmen that want to make the number go up, but now with a muddied up system.You're supposed to aspire for a better life and think on how to do it, using money as a tool for that.Not be a retarded number go up bugman.
>>725377685do factory workers normally take home 70% of the revenue from the sales of the products they make?
>>725385389Yup what's your point?Air is expensive
>>725377685Eat shit, Steam Deck won
>>725385497>so that the market doesn't get flooded with slopFucking steamies man LMAO
>>725385518I do in fact have no morales.Goddamn when will gookmoot put up the third world firewall?Tired of the thirdies shitting up this board.
>>725385518Risk on financial investments does not and should not evaporate magically for children.
>>725385497You are just replying with marketing you are either a bot or a parrot
>>725385610Imagine steam without the $100
>>725385585meds
>>725385565Socialism should honestly be banned, especially here in the US.
>>725385518Steam doesn't allow you to publish a game if you're under 18, just so you're aware.
>>725385518Kids shouldn't be able to publish games on steam.
>>725383720I mean it's porn and slop, but it's not the kind of extremely low effort shit you will find on most digital marketplaces- phones, itch.io, old steam greenlight.
>>725385576Actually in comunist times the factory was owned by the workers.So the deves would own steam
>>725385527No, I'm telling you that they shouldn't arbitrarily pick and choose based off quality, not that they can't.Every other fucking platform there is does what you suggest.Epic. Gog. Sony. Microsoft. Nintendo. Why does every single relevant Indie game pop up on steam and not anywhere else?
>>725385723socialism died 40 years ago, it barely exists nowadays outside of china and the dprk
>>725385779no it wasn't like that whatsoevert. lives in a post-communist country.
>>725385723It is mostly used by the CIA as weapon nowadays.
>>725385723communism is factually illegal in america its just not that actively enforced.and you will not be able to a society without any "socialist" elements at all.
>>725385779>by the workers>look inside>it's owned by the state
>>725385671Scams work on children that's why you are not allowed to do business with them.This is a great scam that will make millions from children.
>>725385518I would take candy from a baby because I'm just that evil hahaha
>>725385779loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
>>725385956>and you will not be able to a society without any "socialist" elements at all.FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>725385729Like that stopped anyone ever
>>725385975This isn't a scam though, you just keep calling it one because access to the market doesn't also guarantee success.
>>725385773>New & TRENDINGSteamies so retarded they can't even navigate UIs
>>725385869Yes it was I lived during that period
>>725384790Gamers got "paid back" with the games they bought.
>>725385970Theory vs practice.I'm not defending a faild ideology I'm pointing out you are falling for one of its scams
>>725386124>you didn't look at the tab that no one actually uses and is hidden behind 3 submenus!Damn you got me.Do you browse by latest upload on youtube?
>>725386349>UHM, OKAY SURE, BUT THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE I CAN'T NAVIGATE TO IT!!!Smartest steamcuck.
>>725377685uhh yeah do you know how much it costs to self publish?
>>725386326>Actually in comunist times the factory was owned by the workers.>in communist times>I'm not defending a faild ideology Uh, no you were doing exactly that.
>>725386078If providing something that has close to 0 value and selling it for $100 isent a scam what is?
>>725386491Something does not have close to zero value because some people can't make use of it.They are also not selling it.Additionally, scam implies deception, of which there is none here.
>>725386491The value of it is the massive market that is Steam, and for $100 you get access to it. That is assuming your game is actually good. Its not a scam because your shovelware couldn't get 10 purchases.
>>725386452No I'm pointing out another comunist scam.It just sounds like a defense because you don't understand that's a common joke.Everyone in communism knew the government was full of shit just like I know this company is taking a piss on people with this $100 and is calling it rain.They can solve it without puting the financial burden on you but that's no fun.
>>725377685Wtf i love communism now???
>>725386491people spend way more on worthless garbage all the time, what makes something a scam or not is if one of the parties to the deal is being deceived about the nature of the transaction. is valve being deceptive about what the $100 fee gets you when you want to put a game on steam?
>>725378667Why should a kid think that their first ever game is good enough to be published on a major retailer like Steam? That's insane
>>725378076I wonder why OPs make these fake anger threads just to argue stuff they don't even believe in.
Quick reminder that communism/socialism was an objectively superior economic system and the only reason it ever failed was extensive external influence from the US and their allies.
>>725385723Socialism barely exists in the US, you live in a corporatist society.
>>725386680>Something does not have close to zero value because some people can't make use of itBut it's not some people it's a fuck load and we are talking milionsYou can hide under Bs law all you want.
>>725386491>Steam says to put a game on the platform pay $100I pay $100>my game is now on the platformTOTAL FUCKING SCAM HOLY SHIT HOW CAN THEY ALLOW THIS?????????????????
>>725387042The majority are shill threads
>>725386814The government allowing a company to charge you to allow you the opportunity to make more cash goes against the entire premise of communism.
>>725386976Do they tell you upfront you are gambling with your money and what the odds are of you making a profit?
>>725386814>It just sounds like a defense because you don't understand that's a common joke.Steam isn't masquerading as being owned by developers so the joke doesn't make sense.
>>725387045And that's why it's inferior.What makes a system viable is its ability to resist fuckery.I'm sorry it's not fair but nothing is
100 dollars is way too low it should be like 1k minimum
>>725387045>communism/socialism was an objectively superior economic system>loses
>>725387156It gets 0 exposure and it has to find an audience using outside marketing.Only service is gamers "trust" the install.$100 thanks now fuck off
>>725378076After you sell $1000 worth of copies, you're refunded the $100 it costs to publish your game on Steam.They charge a $100 dollar fee to make it unviable for shitters to flood the new releases section with a hundred near-identical Flash-tier-slop games that no one wants.If you're selling an arcade-style game for 99 cents, it'll take about 1000 sales to get your fee back. If you're selling a modest indie game for $20, you only need to sell about 75 copies.It's not an excessively high bar in any reasonable case.
>>725387256There is no real premise.It's just a stupid ideology that naver made it anywhere.
>>725387449Capitalism lost too, you saw the state oversee mass centralization of finance & industry in the 20th century as it became obvious that the system was unsustainable and kept blowing up. Then they instituted social democratic safety nets to keep the general population satisfied and taken care of. Most governments now run mixed economies
>>725377685$100 is nothing compared to some of the fees you have to pay just to take a test to get a fucking certificate so you might get hired
>>725387384The joke is we are doing this for your benefit.
>>725387654Then why so many people fail?
>>725387129The numbers are irrelevant.>>725387284Putting a product onto a market is not gambling. I am sure that nobody is paying for the $100 under the impression that people don't need to buy their game to get their money back.
>>725387817They lost because they keep choosing winners and not letting rich families with bad ideas fail.Ie the bank bailout
>>725387650Steam isn't a upload and forget, if you want people to purchase your shovelware then you're going to have to advertise it on other platforms too just like every other developer of a game in history, and that also assumes people even want to purchase your game in the first place.
>>725387551>>725387449Western capitalists won because they started in a stronger position, not because their system was superior.
>>725378076>Did paying the money actually improve how much bad games are on steam?Yes. It would be so much worse without the fee.
>>725387650The service is putting the product on the platform.They took your money to put it on the platform and put it on the platform.How is that a scam? Who was deceived in any way?
>>725387284where do you live that selling video games is gambling? there is risk associated with running any sort of business. for video games that's usually why you find a publisher, it's like buying insurance for your car to mitigate the risk of getting in an accident.
>>725387838That's another scam.Like paying to do an interview.Il give you an example.Hospital opens up a position there is a test you have to take it costs $10.3k people take the test one gets in.They pay him with the money from the test.Actually real scam and BTW they canceled the job and gave it to a relative
>>725377685>sell $142.86 worth of the game>get your $100 backIf you can't make $142.86, you have no business putting up a game on Steam.
>>725387650It's 100$ to have the right to put your game there.If you want to advertise it you pay extra, the same way some food companies have to pay extra to put their product on the "eye level" shelves at supermarkets instead of the shelves all the way at the bottom or top that people barely look at.
>>725388061America hasn't figured it out just yet, a good round of oligarch beheadings will clear things up
>>725388042If your chances of making a profit are really low it actually might fit the criteria.
>>725388063Provide 0 value take money!Not a scam!
>>725388391No, because there's no random element.
>>725388487>Provide 0 valueBut enough about you and your game.
>>725387962A lot of people make games that aren't even worth enough sales to break the $1000 revenue mark. No one wants them. That's why Steam charges that fee. It offsets the risk they assume by storing and distributing your unproven game. It's staying on Steam and still getting all the bells and whistles Steam offers while generating zero revenue for Valve. It's actually significantly in the developer's favor.Valve could realistically be charging you a $300 fee instead, because that's how much they'd make if your game did sell $1000 worth of copies, the threshold they've decided makes a game worth it. But they don't, because they want to make it feasible for more developers to publish games and start making money.
>>725388226Or get this the company actually does something and checks you are not installing malware.
>>725388391that's not how it works
>>725388375>If you want to advertise it you pay extraSteam doesn't actually take money for their front page slots. The main ones are algorithmically driven and the full page features (that changes the banner and shit) are just chosen by Valve.This makes some AAA publishers incredibly mad.
>>725377685You shouldn't follow your dreams if you're poor dummy
>>725388684>Steam doesn't actually take money for their front page slots.You don't seriously believe this, do you?
>>725388231Milions taken no service provided cost to put it up is penny's.Not a scam because I said so.
>>725377685Bro $100 is nothing. People spend more on game dev software. If anything they should be charging more to deter people from spamming the store with trash.
>>725388487How is it 0 value?
>>725388751Yes, because I have seen the anger it generates in those that wish to pay first hand.
>>725388684>the full page features (that changes the banner and shit) are just chosen by Valve.ain't no fuckin way
>>725388765Correct, because they did what they said they would. They put it on the storefront.
>>725388801because he doesn't know what Steam actually provides to developers
>>725388310Insurance is literally a trillion dollar level scam that is literally collapsing your economy.I would shut up instead of making the worst example possible.
>>725388887True, but I wanted to know in his own words.
>>725388375Their cost to put it up is $1 you pay $100 not a scam because I got you to pay 100x fair and square.
>>725388815There's a reason it's relatively common on major indie releases. Take Silksong for example: big release that did literally no other marketing anywhere else. You think the one thing they paid for was a big front page ad on steam?Furthermore a major company outright lying about what is and isn't paid advertising is one of the things which can get them royally fucked by regulators. They don't even scream that they aren't paid, it's just occasionally mentioned by valve devs in a couple of dev blogs. Insanely small reward on lying for insanely huge risk.
>>725388684Oh that's neat, didn't know about that.Well, I guess you can still (probably) pay to show your game on that one tab nobody looks at when you boot up Steam.
>>725377685You can just not sell your game on Steam and keep your $100 and 30% royalties fees.
>>725388801You didn't make anything they take your money.That's the deal you took it so it's fair.It's literally a broken car pretending it works.It's literally in the milions.
>>725389071do you have a link to those dev blogs by any chance?
>>725388885Yes keep your word and still scam people.If you don't disclose the risck and that risk of losing is extreme.There's actually a term for it but I can't remember.Ask a lawyer.
>>725388904anon things aren't true just because you say so (just in case they are: you are wrong QED)
>>725389273Don't have the one I originally was thinking of but I found thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkmAqBvUBOwLying to business partners in something developer-orient like this is a fast-track to getting sued though. Especially with Sweeney's love of funding any indie dev that wants to try sue valve.
>>725389667thanks
>>725389258It works if you make a good game people want to purchase, but you clearly don't understand Steam as a marketplace.
>>725389413>Yes keep your word and still scam people.Scam implies deceit.>If you don't disclose the risck and that risk of losing is extreme.There is no risk of your game not being available on the store (baring you being a retard and trying to sell a porn game without mark it as porn or other stupid things.), which is the service they've provided.
>>725389667that's actually pretty wild, I never would've guessed the banner ads aren't paidpraying Gabe picks a successor who isn't a greedy Jew
>>725389527Sure il give you an example.In Italy they had 40 milion scooters.Introduce insurance 25y later 1.5 milion at best.Started at 50€ maybe less now it's 1.5k.That's insurance kill one of the biggest industry in a country
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>>725389747I'm not a game dev.I just find it funny people defend a new spin on an old scam.
>>725390078>I'm not a game dev.we could tell
>>725389918wait, so are you arguing that game publishers are destroying the economy by taking on the risk of losing $100 from indie developers, or did you just go on this irrelevant tangent to distract me from the original topic? at least post anime titties if you're going to do this
>>725390431Did I say anywhere that I am?But seriously why defend a company making milions while pretending to provide a service or value?
>>725390703If enough people throw their money into something that has no value it will collapse the economy.Is this that something?No but it's still millions going to a billionaire.
>>725387650based gamers
