What went so horribly wrong for this franchise?
>>725512723No Frontier 2
>>725512723Slippery Slope theory of adding QOL to a game. QoL and more QoL until the core game mechanics are gone. People believed the shills that fast travel was cool, that gathering was stupid old people stuff. The fans lost against the shills and the shills killed the game by signaling people actually liked Monster Hunter World and enjoyed the brainrot gameplay that started with it. Rise just made it worse, then Wilds doubled down on everything bad about World. You know things are bad if people are starting to talk good about Rise.
Not releasing MH Dos in America and ruining my ability to look forward to any game for the rest of my life
>>725512723Same think Square Enix did with Final Fantasy.Spit in the face of their core fanbase to appeal to the masses.
>>725512723Capcom chasing the "mainstream audience", it worked for world for reasons I can't understand and Capcom double down in everything they thought the mainstream audience like of World with Wilds only to have another BN4 situation.
they moved from sony to nintendo and attracted consolewar fags
>>725513017>reasons I can't understandBecause they paid off like 100s of streamers to stream it.
>>725512723got too anime
>>725512723triple cross mhgu rerelease could save us
>>725513135kys Generations started this garbage by adding styles and transmog
>>725513160>and transmogAnyone who unironically defends clown suits in ANY game has got to be some kind of falseflagger, because that's just too retarded of a take otherwise. Layered armor is one of the only good things "modern" Monster Hunter has introduced. There's no justifiable reason why you'd object to it unless you're such a no-life sweat that you're trying to gear check randos based on what it looks like they're equipping.
World and its consequences (Wilds) have been a disaster for the Monster Hunter franchise.
>>725513364It's a way to filter out fashion hunters in your lobbies. If I see you in an optimal clown suit I know you're not gonna fuck up our hunt.
>>725513160Generations was the last Monster Hunter game. The devs even seemed to acknowledge it. It really felt like a last goodbye to a series we all loved. A labor of love.
>>725513364its because hes mexican and he saw the world "trans" in there he hates optimus prime and open ttd for similar reasons
>>725512940Sunbreak was good. and i say explictly sunbreak since i have a reason to actually use the movement options isntead of face tanking everything like i cheated maxed out defense buffs
>>725513450I've seen so many people say World/Rise/Wilds are too easy and then you turn around and say shit like this, fucking lmao
>>725512940It makes me wonder, what's the dividing line between QoL and casualization?
>>725512723Tendies
>>725512947This but P3rd
>>725513487https://youtu.be/2Xz_xUI44Io?si=OyIjHTnziTceP5m1We never knew how good we had it... Really did feel like a goodbye.
>>725513487>t. gen alpha bab larping as a vetCHADAnd a goo goo gaga to you as well
>>7255127234 introduced mounting and Generations introduced styles. Both of these lead to shit like clutch claw, wall banging, rampage, rideable monsters/Palamutes/Seikrets, a bunch of weapons gaining counters+dodges, focus mode, and the wound system.
>>725513487>a mountain of recycled assets>a labor of love
>>725513729Is /v/ finally ready to admit that 3rd gen is the best point of MH?
>>725513846Yawn
>>725513890Portable 3rd exist
>>725513564QoL doesn't affect the gameplay itselfhaving item loadouts and a visible blacksmith tree is QoLrunning while healing and restocking at camp is casualization
>>725513729You can't just not innovate. It's like saying 3rd gen introduced underwater, 2nd gen introduced new weapon types, etc.Say what you want, but I doubt you could innovate the series any better.
>>725513564>>725513564QOL would be things like easier menu navigation, more intuitive controls and mass-crafting etc. Casualization would be no longer needing to buy gathering tools, excessive material rewards/zenny at the end of quests, no need for paintballs, fast travel, moving while healing, "aiming" after you've commited to an attack etc. Gimmicks are usually unbalanced and tend to lean more into the casualization side, like wirebugs, clutch claw and focus/wounds. Dos had a cool gimmick that WASN'T casualization in my opinion with the seasons, so it can be done right.
>>725514371Wow thats all very interesting. and how many idiots do you see actually taking advantage of that properly when they arent getting their asses handed to them?
>>725514134>>725514371Fair and decent answers. I see QoL get thrown a lot and was curious on where people drew the line between it and making games too easy.
>>725514371>QOL would be things like easier menu navigationand yet the fuck up in 5th gen and overcomplicate the menus
>>725514585the meanings are intentionally blurred so companies can dumb down their games to appeal to mass audiences without backlash
>>7255138462>5>4>1>3
>>725514826Literally perfect, including Frontier naturally
>>725514563Taking advantage of what?>>725514585Ultimately it's up to the person themselves to say what they think is the game being too easy vs simple qol stuff. I was just saying what I personally think it is. The issue is that easier games sell better to a more casual audience, and that was specifically what capcom wanted to do with wilds. I'm curious as to what their next game will look like, as they've absolutely noticed critical and financial differences from say, world (which was already very casual). I'd love it if they made a new mh game with actual hunting/prep elements again and proper difficulty, despite how much of a pipe dream that is.>>725514620Yeah, I don't know how they fucked that up so badly. I try to interact with 5th gen+ menus as little as possible. I still enjoy the games for what they are, but I don't see them going back to what they were before. Personally I started with World, and after I had my fill of that I moved backwards to older games and saw how much was taken out or dulled down. Only ones I haven't played yet are some of the 3rd gen games. I've enjoyed them all though, even mh1. People overplayed the stick controls as being the worst thing ever but they're actually quite fun to use.
wilds and rise are the only bad mh games. funny how those are the 2 most recent
>>725515307>Taking advantage of what?al the easy sutff in rise like faster travel healing while walking or running. i can tell you right now that it does jack shit.. most players arent experts at monster hunter or moderately competent, they're just fucking around with their friends
>>725512723>a fucking Dota 2 collab
>>725516297Is that a man in female zinogre armor
>>725516331A woman.
>>725512940>QoLThe reason wilds is bad is because of focus mode
>>725513814>ran well on a fucking handheld>deviants>valstraxMeanwhile you jeets can't code for shit
>>725516868Of course it ran well, it was still using 3ds/psp assets.
>>725512723Infinite camp restocking warping combat to extremes.Loss of hub culture.Move towards gimmicks like open world and cinematic bullshit eroding the entire identity of the franchise.
>>725512723"Horribly wrong" is a massive exaggeration
>>725517289No it's not, it's been ship of theseus'd into something unrecognizable.
>>725517289No one is talking about wilds anymore
>>725512940>QoL>WORLD STARTED ITyou can really tell who is a 3dsbab and who isnt lmaoThe casualization started on 3U with the defense4 and Gens killed it by adding so much ""QOL"" that it was piss easyPaving the road for world
>>725517415You fags say this but it's unanimously told that 4U was the most difficult the game had ever been.4U is brutal if you don't know what you're doing which is 95% of Worldbabs.
which version of monster hunter g should i play, ps2 or wii version? im so bored and have replayed FU, 3U, and 4U more times than i can count and have already played through dos.
>>725512723re engine
>>725513814>complaining about reused assets in monhunYOU STUPID FUCK
>>725517626wii has 2nd gen qol, better movesetsnot sure if someone set up private servers for it yet so you can play beyond village low rank
nothing really. anyone complaining is just falseflagging.
>>725514371I wouldn't mind more experimentation in the vein of Dos, but the hunting sim elements of the series were never that well-executed. Gathering quests were awful for replayability, and gathering materials and zenny in prep for a quest became busywork rather than real gameplay once you knew what you're doing. I myself stuck with the series for the core combat: I wanted a fair, dynamic battle against giant enemies who are smart and not retarded. I don't mind the "Monster Fighter" approach the series is taking that much. I'm more concerned with the way they've completely butchered the combat by turning the hunters into anime protagonists and added so much unfun op cheese that you have to go out of your way to optimize the fun *in* the game. Seikrets, infinite restock, environmental traps, mantles, parries on every weapon, damage creep etc. The old games didn''t need MMO boss mechanics on endgame fights to be challenging. The battle pass/gachafication with rng charms/decorations is also disgusting.
>>725517831cope
>>725518721case in point kek
>>725516297Remember this?Remember Mr Beast for MH Now?
>>725517831Wilds was such a flop even Capcom was damage controlling.
>>725519186>spoilerIf I started playing that game I would have quit the moment I saw that shitBut who the fuck would even want to play a mobile world clone lmao
how to fix monster hunter:remove trapsflashbombspalicoes
>>7255175964U village is the easiest it ever was up until that point. 4U/GU don't get hard until the end of HR Hub and G rank Hub with their endgame stuff. 4th gen started the trend of shifting all difficulty to the "endgame". Previous games didn't have "endgame". He's right that World didn't start it. But World had the worst examples of it. All you have to do is compare the biggest casualization/balance changes and gimmicks between each gen.>2nd gen added palicos>3rd gen added double palicos, slime, base defense>4th gen nerfed village, rebalance stats and added tons of skill bloat/DPS bloat, added broken weapons and broken weapon skills, added arts and OP gimmick moves, added endgame RNG grinds for quest level and relics and deviants.Then you compare that to all the shit 5th gen added that>Healing while moving, restocking at camp, OP heal items, Even lower monster health and easier content until TUs. Removal of negative skills and doubling down on the skill bloat. Free fast travel. Even less materials/zenny needed. More OP palicos/dogs. Way more OP gimmick moves. Way more iframe spam. etc etc etc.World didn't start it, but they broke a dam, and defending it or trying to go "Well this game did it first!" just excuses it. You need to draw a line somewhere and World crossed it and killed the franchise and made it brainless normie shit for westerners.
>>725517415Anything after MH2(Dos) was filled to the brim with QoLs. So kindly shut the fuck up
>>725513704>tfw X is bye in hunter language>tfw last game is Monster Hunter XX
my favorites are p3rd and iceborne :3
>>725512723Wilds.Capcom has progressed into the "shit" part of the Capcom Cycle. It'll be about another decade before we get a good MH game again.
The series went to shit when they stopped using the right stick for attack
the constant removal of friction in video games, gamers don't actually understand why they like games and think smoothing out every single edge possible because of "tedium" and "QoL". people don't fucking understand that when you give the player everything they could ask and more then the rest of the game is going to be boring. people don't understand the concept of power creep and then wonder why the omega fight is just the way it is. if the player is going to be this super human that can move freely and do whatever he wants and swing whenever he wants then the only way for a monster to go against that is by being as godly
>>725520724Sure, MH4U’s Village progression was the easiest up to that point. But calling that proof that the game itself was easy completely misses where 4U’s difficulty actually lives. The core hunting systems and endgame design.Village quests have never defined Monster Hunter’s true difficulty, even in Freedom Unite or 3U.They’ve always been onboarding tools. The Hub and G-Rank content have always been the measuring stick.And in 4U, those hunts especially Apex monsters, G-Rank Elder Dragons, and Guild Quests demand a higher level of mechanical mastery and precision than almost any generation before or after.So yes, Village was easier but the ceiling of 4U’s challenge was brutally high, much higher than in any prior title.Earlier gens had difficulty spread evenly because everything was grindy and clunky not necessarily harder, just slower and more punishing mechanically.4U refined that formula, it moved the difficulty into hunts themselves rather than UI jank or prep time.Apex Rajang or Lv140 Guild Quests required,>Perfect iframes,>Knowledge of hit zones,>Management of Wystones,>And team coordination that punished even a single mistake.That’s not casualization that’s concentrated, skill-based difficulty. It’s not about suffering through bad QoL it’s about surviving razor-sharp combat design.The idea that “DPS bloat” or “broken skills” trivialized 4U ignores how monsters scaled up to match.G-Rank monsters hit harder, enraged longer, and had AI patterns tuned for aggression.Even with optimal charm rolls or high-level relic weapons, the game still punished sloppy play mercilessly.You could have the perfect setup and still get deleted if you mistimed one roll or missed a mount.TLDR: You weren’t power-creeping the game you were barely keeping up with it.1/2
>>725520165Flashbombs are the only way I was able to use the smaller weapons like Sword/Shield and Dual Swords while solo hunting. The lack of flinch is brutal
>>725521550Yes, relic and Guild Quest RNG were grindy — but that wasn’t mindless farming.The higher the quest level, the more lethal the monsters became.Lv140 Rajang or Frenzied Deviljho weren’t just “bullet sponges” they were designed to test stamina, consistency, and team synergy.Beating them wasn’t luck it was mastery over the entire combat system.4th Gen didn’t “nerf difficulty” it shifted it into control and mechanics instead of prep misery.It was still on the 3DS, with:>No fast travel,>No item restock,>No healing while walking,>Slow animations,>And a camera system that required manual precision.That’s a far cry from the “brainless normie” systems of World or Rise.4U demanded focus every action had commitment and consequence.World didn’t kill the franchise, it evolved accessibility. But that accessibility stripped away the tension.Healing mid-run, camps, scoutflies, restocks all softened what used to be the psychological edge of a hunt, the idea that every mistake mattered.4U, on the other hand, maintained that tension while refining control and depth.It wasn’t casual, it was pure.
capcom is scared to release 4u on modern systems because they KNOW it will outsell wilds and world
>>725514826>>725514925Wrong. It's 2 > 1 > 3 >4 >>> 5
>>725521550>>725521629tldr, but sunbreak is literally just a better 4u
>>725519645Me because they added all the weapons, and espina and malzeno is coming. I hate the fact that my monster hunter autism is so high i'm now going to the monster hunter go polls.
>>725521564then add it to the weapons that need it instead of it being a universal consumable?
>Biggest Capcom series>Still no collection of older games>Every other capcom series got a dozen ports and remasters and remakes ?????
>>7255218281 is alright at best, and 3 is not even close to better than 4 or 5
>>725522164they dont want people playing pre-world games. u think wilds will sell anymore if 4u was available for purchase on pc?
>>725512723Going mainstream
>>725512723i lived on nintendo for a while which ruined it overall
>>725522164Because they know people would play 4U etc over World/Rise/WildsAnd they don't want that as they're setup to be games as a service and make you buy cosmetics etc.
>>725522313you are truly delusional if you think more people would play 4u than the newer games
>>725522164Old bad, new goodNow shut up and play wilds
>>7255174153U defense was bad but it wasn't even half as close to what world did, no he is right. If you look at the casualization of the series world did the most damage. And that post implies QoL after QoL meaning he has seen it. I still have my PS2 copy of MH and Tri in my garage. Ive been here since day 1. You people act like we don't exist or are some sort of fairytale. No, many of us are still around as hard as that is to believe.
>>725513564Look at MapleStory as an example that killed itself with more ease of access by pandering to mentally ill retards>Remove all movement and just have teleport everywhere and remove any semblance of anything other than grinding and giving out gayer and gayer cosmetics
world is the absolute HARD limit of how much they can deviate from the original formula and the game still be good
>>725522361Delusional? Nah, just willing to recognize skill > convenience. People love 4U, Generations, and old-school MH because you actually have to think, dodge, and adapt not mash buttons while your palico heals you mid-roll.Sure, World/Rise/Wilds are bigger cash cows with cosmetics and QoL babysitting, but don’t pretend that ease = fun. If anything, 4U still has a massive cult following precisely because it didn’t hold your hand, and anyone who’s ever beaten an Apex Rajang knows why the difficulty sticks in your brain more than a glorified paid transmog game ever could.
>>725521527>We listened to our community Means you know they fucked up some shit Games in general are all about dopamine balance. Your brain fires off nothing when everything you do is piss easy
>>725512723nothingthis is world-retards getting a taste of their own medicineeveryone is gonna suck wilds dick the second the new one is introduced just like what happened to rise
>>7255223614Ufags are extremely delusional just because their favorite is the last traditional monster gen. No newfag to the monster hunter series gives a shit about the old games. Recently I decided to replay monster hunter 1 since that is my least played in the series, and whenever I tried searching online for some tips all I would get would be videos on worlds and redditors whining about how horrible the old games are and how elitist the old fans are. The only times these modernfag subhumans go back to the old games is to make a video about horrible they are or to make a video about how amazing they are for slogging through such horrible games in order to get the "monster hunter experience" or larp as oldfags.Not a single one of these braindead consumers will ever go back to the old games. At most they will watch one of those aforementioned youtubers then parrot the same shit opinions on the series. Not even 4U which was the most casualized of the traditional games is enough to entice them.
>>725522832This. Nu mhfags don't like old monhon. 4U would be like kryptonite. Let alone the actual PS2 era of MH.
we're talking about the 4u that allows infinite mount spam correct? that 4u?
>>725512723Casualizations that GU started, finished with World. Whatever came out afterwards is no longer a work of someone with a vision but rather a product. Drooling morons will argue in bad faith that casualizations started after [insert any MH before GU] and we all, and they too, know that it's wrong.
>>725512723World.
>>725522832>>725522907>>725522917Alright, let’s get some things straight. Infinite mount spam in 4U? Sure, you could mount, but good luck actually finishing Apex Rajang, Frenzied Deviljho, or any high-level G-Rank monster while relying on mounts alone they punish sloppy play mercilessly. Mounting was a tool, not a cheat, and timing was critical.Meanwhile, modern ‘quality-of-life’ additions like healing while moving, infinite potions, fast travel, scoutflies, and iframes in World/Rise/Generations? That’s not skill, that’s babysitting. You can literally roll through attacks with zero strategy. 4U, even with mounts, demanded precise positioning, pattern recognition, and full mastery of every weapon’s nuances. You miss a dodge? You die. You mismanage a Wystone? You bounce off everything. End of story.And let’s address the “nobody would play old games” claim, cult followings don’t lie. Apex hunters still grind 4U and GU for relics and G-Rank challenges. People go back for actual difficulty, mechanical depth, and tension that modern MH stripped away. It’s not nostalgia, it’s skill respect.PS2 era? Harder than anything you’ll see in Rise. Every fight was a gamble with zero handholding. Miss one attack and you’re carting. The idea that mounts or skills make 4U easy is straight ignorance the game punishes you harder in 30 seconds than a full World expedition.So yeah, keep calling 4U “kryptonite” that’s just proof it still separates the casuals from the hunters.
>>725523159They will argue in bad faith that Apex mons are 1% of the game and that people can choose to casualize the rest of it via mountspam or just by using CB.
p3rd mogs 4u.
>>725523159You are combining two different points about 4U and responding to them as if they are the same point made by one person.I never said 4U was bad and neither did the anon responding to me. It is just an objective fact that it is the most casualised of the traditional games. What the anon that responded to me merely agrees with the point you made with your second paragraph, hence the fact that you paraphrased his post at the end of your own. 4U is kryptonite to the modernfags who are such casuals that they cannot even handle the most streamlined version of the traditional monster hunter games. Claiming that it has a "cult following" that GOES BACK to the play it just proves the fact that no modernfag will ever play the old games. The only people playing the old games are the few who are nostalgic for their niche difficulty. Just try to go on any of the fan servers for the old games and you will see how much of a ghost town they are.
water combat > mounting
Wilds was so bad I started playing older MH games, played 4U this year and well, i was not impressed at all. The game really wasnt much harder, everything just sorta took longer. 4U is probably better than Wilds I guess i had more fun playing it, but I'd rate it lower than GU, World, and Rise.
water mounting when
>>725516297Kinowould have loved a tf2 collab
>>725523773Underwater combat was ass though
>>725523816Not a chance in hell you got to or past G1
water mounting in the open world ocean when?
>>725517596>4U was the most difficult the game had ever been.You could literally spam mounting
>>725523842no, you mount with your assyou swim with your arms and legs
Every MH game is basically the same (this is a good thing) and the consolewarring faggotry is only done by autistic losers with nothing better to do
>>725523924The modern games don't even have the same controls as the old games, tourist
I dislike underwater combat
>>725524000That webm looks so coolI miss underwater combat
>>725512940If QoL overtime ends up overwriting core game mechanics, then maybe your core game mechanics were dogshit from the start.
>>725523973and yet they play the same autist
>>725513364Transmogrification is just another part of MH's degradation through erosion of consequence.What made MH good was that it had a pretty solid system of consequences on the things the players would chose. i.e ; not preparing items before a hunt and then getting fucked over, using the wrong armour or weapon against a monster and carting for it.These consequences are later removed gradually via casualizations or "QoL" as the faggots would say it, where it no longer matters if you forgot to bring items before a hunt. Just teleport to the camp and restock! It no longer matters if you brought the wrong armor/weapon. Just teleport to camp and switch, or even switch to a second weapon through your bird.In the case of transmog in MH, players had to choose to either optimize their performance in hunts using a mix of shitty looking gear in exchange for aesthetics, or to look cool while suffering with shit armour skills, or maybe find a balance between both. It's simple consequences, and with it, people get the freedom to choose. With the introduction of transmog, layers of decision-making are eliminated. Players don't need to consider whether they're doing max damage or looking cool or anything in between when they can just get all of those with no consequences. It's "convenient" isn't it?
>>7255233314U's real casual weapon is IG, it's far more broken than CB yet only gets a fraction of the attention because the wails of hammerfags about impact phials drown everything out
>>725524000no..no.....NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! you HAVE TO LIKE IT!!!!!!! OTHERISE YOU ARE A WORLDBABV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SAVE ME ICHINOSE
>>725524095Games with different controls do not play the same. Metal Gear Solid 1 does not play the same as Metal Gear Solid V. These games may have the same core concepts for the gameplay, but they PLAY completely differently from one another
>>725523973if you weren't in /mhg/ during tri release you're a tourist
>>725524134>Reddit spacing>WoW terminologygrim....
>>725512723FUCKING CUNT
>>725524196reddit spacing isn't a thing election tourist
>>725524196didyouevenreadthepostirepliedto,nigger?
>>725524134this post is literally so fucking retarded, you should not have to choose between fashion or viability that is just fucking retarded, GU literally did it the best it has the old armor system but you could still fashion as long as you went out of your way to unlock them.
>>725524248yes, i read it and saw the reddit spacing and wow terminology, and concluded (correctly) that the situation is grim
>>725524083Thats a fallacy and you know it
Capcom.I really don't know how you fuck up Monster Hunter, but they did it.>runs like shit>the story is, even for a Monster Hunter game, fucking laughable>they'd rather focus on shitty collabs with fucking guitar manufacturers than fixing the game>monster variety is shit
>>725524196he used "reddit spacing" to make text readable for you moronic anime pic pedophile trashand "wow terminology" is widely understood so he doesn't have to make shit updumb fucking secondary cunt
>>725524134there was something special about using a full set and playing better than the clownsuit metafag autistsmetafagging is a legitimate cancer and transmog did enable that even harder
>>725524323>anime pic>mikulmfao???
>>725524309If your game can't hold its own over time despite QoL then its probably time to change or give up
>>725524323>moronic animesure, and i'm the secondary/election tourist
>>725513890How the hell is he playing 3U on a Super NES with no cartridge installed?
>>725524161But Ichinose made P3rd which removed fighting underwater
>>725524353this literally does not make sense and you can apply this to every game ever. have you even ran your logic tree down any roads.
You niggers liked fucking World but hated Rise. Literal cattle community.Now you get Wilds and Idc have fun it is, Rise is still better.
>>725524367you are, because you think reddit spacing is an actual thing
>>725524196It's not like you were going to have the attention span to read it in a full block of text, retarded nigger
>>725524353What the fuck are you talking about? You are saying that if a dev hamfists casualization and the game becomes shit that is ok because it was bad anyway? Stop posting
>>725524258So you're one of the many faggot who doesn't like consequences. Got it. Good news is, modern games and MH is pandering to your ilk.>>725524330My point exactly. Now that everyone can minmax their output without the consequence of looking fugly, powercreep becomes easier to achieve and capcom has to keep up with the powercreep arms race somehow.
>>725524424i just like what i like bro, rise devolved into just spamming wirebug attacks, didnt like it.
went downhill after they abandoned the psp
>>725524393IS THAT LAND?!?!? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I'M GOING CRAZY!!!!!WATER-SAMA PLEASE SAVE ME!!!!!
>>725524134layers of decision beingactively gimping yourself and not interacting with a system of the game so deeply ingrained as the armor system so you can personally enjoy the way you lookoractually playing the game and interacting with it's systems.this is not something the player should have to decide on, you can easily have both without having any consequences to the core game. it's BETTER for players to engage more with one of it's core systems. the problem is that they changed the armor system so you don't even have to think about what you want or don't want. you can just make god characters no problem.
>>725524424I think you clicked on the wrong tab before posting this. This is 4chan /v/, not reddit
>>725524409>>725524530>cope from anons that MH always had a dogshit gameplay loop and QoL actually made it sufferable to get through
>>725524595Too bad the PSP never got a sequel system. Imagine if there were a PSP2
>>725524558Where do y'all make this shit up from? Wire bug is like 25% of your combat, it's used way more for movement chasing the monster or getting to it at the start of a hunt.Please ACTUALLY play the fucking game.
>>725524442>>725524430>No, you see, you HAVE to read my entire insipid, worthless opinion, even though my use of WoW terminology and reddit spacing betrays the truth right away (that it's insipid and worthless)my advice would first be to have an opinion worth considering
I don't like bugs
>>725523882Post a video of you spam mounting apex rajang
why are tendies still so upset that it wasnt as successful as world?
>>725524714Reading MH threads like this on /v/ is a mystery grab bag to determine if you're talking to somebody who's ever actually played the game they're shitposting about
>>725524742This isn't the board for that. If you want to see some mounting just go to >>>/gif/
>>725512723>new shiny FOTM piece of shit called World comes out>despite countless CANCEROUS game design decisions it's on "real" platforms for the first time so the reception is very warm from all of the new fans for whom the entire series is just that one game >the opposition that actually cared about the series and could track the trajectory of the design is derided as rose-tinted glasses wearing boomers as usual, just like Capcom wanted it>unchecked by Capcom's tourist new fanbase the cancer festers fully "blossoming" into the absolute mega ass cancer called Wilds>now even the fucking secondaries can't ignore what a pile of shit it isfin.another game series annihilated by "accessibility"
>>725524134Retarded ass post. Jesus christ
>>725524207I'd punch him in his fucking teeth.
>>725524624What makes you think that choosing to look good in exchange for suboptimal skill set is equal to not interacting with the game's systems? The very act of players choosing itself is an interaction with the game's systems.>>725524875Likewise, retarded fucking nigger.
>>725524207I can't wait for all future Monster Hunter releases to be visual novels
1....GOOD2....UNRELEASEDFREEDOM/UNITE...GOOD3...GOODp3rd...GOOD4U...GOOD BUT LEVELS AND MOUNTING GAYGENERATIONS...haven't playedWORLD....haven't playedRISE...GAY BUT HIMECUTS GOODWILDS...not retarded enough to buy or even waste time playing a pirated copy
For me what killed this series is consolewar faggotry, as soon as everything became World vs Rise aka proxywar for Sony vs Nintendo I knew any sense of community that existed before would be forever drowned out. This is probably just the fate of any series that grows too big though
>>725525157THIS POST... BAD
>>725525204sorry I'll go play generations, dos and frontier immediately and create a proper take
>>725525172>letting retards have this much power over youRise literally came out on PC before sunbreak was even a thing. the game was exclusive for like a fucking year
>>725512723MH taught me that financial success isn't everything. World may be the best selling MH but what happened to its community is irreparable. Hell, /mhg/ never even returned in the /vg/ league even after its success. NuMH simply has no culture.
>>725525297Isn't Wilds the best selling one? But yeah World killed the IP, QoL is just casualization, World killed what made MonHun MonHun , the teamwork and the mystery.
>>725525157>1....GOODcalling card of the worldbab1 is unplayable, a fan can admit this
>>725525297>https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//mhg/>last match was 2016take me back
>>725524134This post is ignoring that fashion hunting in and of itself was a complex form of metafagging. It wasn't "what parts look good?", It was "combing through ASS to see what parts look passible while not being total dogshit stat and skill wise" Capcom has always been dogshit at balance and transmog doesn't change this. There are actual oceans of borderline useless sets in past mh games, many of them not even useful for the bare minimum of clownsuiting, many MANY of them being late game monsters. Hell, a majority of final bosses don't even have moderately useful armor. Stuff like goldbeard and neset were huge outliers. This whole thing about "equipping 5 parts with no functional skills for de looks" simply was not as common as you guys act like it was. Browsing through ancient gamefaqs threads for good looking mixsets with actual useful skills was the reality. It was just a coping mechanism.
>>725524908>What makes you think that choosing to look good in exchange for suboptimal skill set is equal to not interacting with the game's systems?i fundamentally do not agree with the notion that disregarding the entirety of a core system mechanic is the same as interacting with it because you chose to ignore it in favor of your own personal aesthetic taste. because at that point the system might as well not exist anymore it never would have mattered if it was there to begin with. the decision making should always come from the the skills the armor actually provide, being able layer your armor just makes it so more people actually think about the skills they want and getting more people to interact with the core of your game is always better. the problem has always been that there is no downside to getting everything you want now, there is no or little to no picking or choosing if you should bring one skill or the other and if that will change how you engage with the hunt. it just seems incredibly silly to me to think layered armor is in any way shape or form a problem when it's literally just a cosmetic thing that allows you to further personalize your hunter, and to be against it when we are literally playing an action rpg is just fucking weird.
The only correct way to play Monster Hunter is to play all the old (actually good) games in order of release:>Monster Hunter>Monster Hunter G>Monster Hunter Freedom>Monster Hunter 2 dos>Monster Hunter Freedom 2>Monster Hunter Freedom Unite>Monster Hunter 3 tri>Monster Hunter Portable 3rd>Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (both the Wii U and 3DS versions)>Monster Hunter 4>Monster Hunter Generations>Monster Hunter Generations UltimateAlso if you don't play online, it doesn't count and you didn't really play all of the games. Fan servers exist.
>>725525357wilds was the fastest selling but it has not beat world or rise
>>7255254261 is fun, G is better, and Freedom is a sidegrade2 is the best
>>725525668where does frontier fit in
>>725525741frontier is ludokino that transcends every game
>>725525741Ask your mother
>>725525357>Isn't Wilds the best selling one?Lol. It's fastest selling but also fastest to stop selling.They sold 10 million at launch and haven't hit 11 yet after 7 months. Word of mouth tanked the interest in this game.They definitely will hit 11 mil by the time G rank drops, but the damage this game has done to the brand speaks for itself. Depending on how G rank is received and what they do to the base game it may not outsell either 5th gen MH game.When the crapcom e-celeb shills left so did interest since Wilds is not a game for MH fans.
>>725525668>Monster Hunter>Monster Hunter Freedom>Monster Hunter Freedom 2>Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (both the Wii U and 3DS versions)you can ignore these>Monster Hunter Generations>Monster Hunter Generations Ultimateyou SHOULD ignore these
>>725524134It was fine in GU when it was an endgame reward and the game said fuck you grind the pieces as if they were regular armour. So now your shopping list of parts was bigger.They fucked it up going forward since they decided layered parts only required a fraction of the grind, and really a fraction of a fraction since armour as a whole was easier to obtain.5th gen ruined everything man.
>>725525357>Isn't Wilds the best selling one?hahaha
>>725525806You're so right, WILDSxister
>>725525867lmao someone got offendedfeel free to imagine whoever you want as the boogeyman, tranny
>>725525917The jews?
>>725525784This guy gets it
>>725526017What did he get? All I got was a bag of rocks
>>725526017one of my only gripes though is that it's 2nd gen hunting horn, i wish someone with one of these private servers would just backport literally any version of HH after it.
>>725512723>>>/vg/you spam this every day.
>>725526558and yet, you don't shit on the AI, gacha trannies and cumbrain threads that are here on the hour
>>725514134>restocking at camp>being mentioned at allopinion rejected, and spat on.No one who needs to restock is worth listening to, and anyone worth listening to doesnt need to restockfor good players, restocking is purely QoL, since it lets you stay out free hunting for longer or in the classic event of "fuck, forgot the cold drinks" it saves time from having to abandon quest, something that gives you 100% of your items back if you do, so it literally only saves time.I also only half agree with "moving while healing" since, sure, not flexing makes it more casual. but I want to see you dodge literally one attack from a late game monster while walk-healing, you cant, because its too slow to dodge anythingThis, to me, proves you arent a fan and dont play the games and are just reiterating what you read on /v/ since anyone who played the game would know walk-healing doesnt really help you at all, at least not 7*+what you failed to mention was "healing on the bird / bird pick up" and "dodge roll out of heal animation"THESE are what break the game, since you didnt mention them, you clearly are not a MH player.
>>725525668Never played any monster hunter game before. Which one is the best without casualization? Which servers?
>>725526929>schizo strawmanwhile you are shadowboxing ghosts in your head, another /vg/ containment breach is happening.
>>725512723They took a game with a highly focused concept: Hunt Monsters, and made it into a drama about some retard kid while removing all the gameplay that involved hunting monsters and to top it off it runs like absolute dogshit from a constipated dog.
>>725526558oh whats that?! a video game post on a video game board>/VG/heh i heckin showed that chud>proceeds to spam linux threads
>>725527057>video game board/v/ is for video games/vg/ is for video game generalsyou spam this thread once or twice per day, its a general. you arent even talking about the game anymore you just copy paste the same points over, and over, and over.move on.
>>725526934>what you failed to mention was "healing on the bird / bird pick up" and "dodge roll out of heal animation">THESE are what break the gameBased, fuck these tourists, imagine complaining about restocking of all things or slow walk healing when dodge cancel and the rise+wilds dog exist
>>725527021>>725527132cry
>>725527132nigger, so do gacha threads
>>725527203>I'M SILLY!!! comiclooks like restocking and fast travel is certifiably cringe
>>725527132have you considered there are thousands of poster on this board daily and that maybe once in while theirs gonna be topic or two about a popular game series more than once a week?or are you admitting every time a popular game gets mentioned on here go go crying about /vg/almost like your doing it for free?
>>725512723World and now even worse, wilds
>>725512723unreal engine 5 happened and made everything run like hot ass and no one wants to fix anything because "DLSS BROOOOOO"also the switch to hyper realism with world killed the artsyle
>>725521629all of this only applies if you play solo, if you play with 4 people 4U is piss easy, everything dies in 4-6minutes both GQ and the endgame G-Rank hub quests.And the same can be said for 3U and FU and GU and World and Rise and Wilds.People misremembering/twisting what the games used to be to move their own narrative....
>>725527614not a single MH game runs uses unreal dumbassalso world had major performance issues on launch as well and still has loading issues to this day on consoles, its literally just that the mainline MH dev team is pure ass at their job
>>725525580Choosing what weapon or armor looks best with its stats in mind is a form of engagement with the game, even though you might think that visuals is not "core" of the game so its best to just allow players to pick their preferred visuals without consequence.Take GU for instance, the crab leg was considered THE best LS in the game, stat-wise, but not everyone liked how it look so people had to pick different LS that may suit to their preferred visuals, but not as strong, and that's the consequence they had to endure. It's soul.>>725525560You can call it complex metafagging, sure. But now with transmog it just becomes a lot more "convenient" isn't it? No more carefully picking which combination is best. No more ASS, none of that gamefaq threads about good-looking-sets with decent stats.Back then when you play online, you can make out ideas of what kind of player he is with the weapon or armor he chose.If its a guy with steve GS & ukanlos X helm + teostra, you know he means business.If its some guy with a cool looking fullset like Seltas X complete with the gunlance you know he's either new or just having fun and really like how he looks.If its some guy with really optimized relic setup that looks good you know he's grinded his ass for it.There's really none of that anymore. Everyone can have good skills and can look good. If you fail to see the problem in this then sure, alright i guess. You're winning anyway.
>>725527614>unreal engine 5 happenedretard
>>725527614RETARD GOD
>>725524645Stfu
i cant fathom being opposed to layered armor, this is like the shittiest point to be upset about for the newer games
>>725528213I mean, Capcom is definitely chasing aspects of it.
>>725513017>reasons I can't understand-Biggest graphical leap in MH history-The most accessible MH of its time-The most "cinematic" MH of its time-The most well-marketed MH of its time-Caused the biggest MH Console war of its time-Released on more popular platforms (PS4 & Xbone(& PC a couple months later))Sold like hotcakes and it's only downhill from there.
Layered armor is pandering to casual trannies when you really think about it. Real men are forced to choose between fashionable but unoptimal or the strength of the clown suits. Layertrannies are spoiled babies who want their cake and eat it too.
>>725528513the only reason i can even come up with personally for being upset about layered gear is that there are more people making sluts than cool set combos, Wilds really enables it with the cat ears and gloves and whatever other cosmetic bullshit they're putting in, it's careening the game into the same bullshit that FFXIV became where being a social hub is more important to the developers now rather than making a good game
>>725528513You just want fashion to be more convenient, i get it.
>>725524207Make a fucking movie next time
>>725528719no one cares
>>725512723(You)
>>725512723gatekeeping since 2007
>>725528998thanks for the (You) layertranny really showed me how much you don't care now go play princess dress up in rise
>>725529156No one cares
>>725512723Every game is massively casualized in some way from previous entries that the fanbase freaks out about, but Wilds really just went too far by showering the player with resources and loot, adding free aiming, and the game being ridiculously easy until endgame. My first cart was against 5 star gore magala, and I'm not even good at monhun, just average. The experience just felt shallow. I dropped the game before any updates came out.
>>725528513Mon hun has always been filled with casual elitists, these are also the people seething about the newest games because the skill ceiling went way up and the skill floor lowered
>>725529258double down harder layertranny
savage omega filtered the 4ufetuses
Normalfag audience realized they hate Monster Hunter
>>725529274"i am not even that good at monhun" yeah and rurikhan isn't even that good at monhun too. You fucking nigger literally everyone had their first cart in high rank or later if the've beat at least one monhun before that.
>>725525668There is no point in playing first gen, second gen has pretty much everything the first one had and also your item box has more than 2 fucking pages for the whole game.
>>725520978lol this. Anyone who complains about the sanctity of MonHuns difficulty or QoL features and started with Freedom 2 or beyond is a hypocritical faggot.
>>725522738>just like what happened to riseBut Sunbreak literally fixed everything wrong with Rise?I personally wasn't a fan of Rise but Sunbreak is actually amazing and you have to be a massive contrarian to say otherwise.
>>725512723They wanted the mainstream audience with realism, movies and graphics but threw gameplay for it under the bus. Wilds 9 star hunts are serviceable if you can run the game but that's about it.
>>725512723World then Rise then Wilds
>>725527203finally an actual monster hunter player in the thread.
true story, i remember by friend what was a 4U purist play rise and got absolutely filtered by HR magnamalo
>>7255300714U difficulty is non existing if you play either IG or CB
>>725530313he played switch axe, but he refused to use wirebugs at all, even for the silkbind attacks
>>725530407>SA without silkbind skillsBro missed peak and is probably proud of it for some reason
>>725530639>he thinks Rise is as good as it gets>he never played FrontierYou have no idea how much I pity you
it's always retarded when people cry about new escape options cause when they are great in low rank, they will 100% use this muscle memory to constantly kill you in G-rank. It has happened with long standing up in 4U, with adept run, and with wirebug. Aldready happening with chicken
>>725530639This was added in SB. SA without wirebugs works but they make the hunt easier here and there.
>>725512723World happened and the series stopped being niche due to its popularity so now it's worse.
>>725512723it became too casual, not immersive enoughthe original games felt like immersive RPGs that included combat to progress the story, and the modern games feel like arcade action games that include upgrade systems to spike the player's dopamineit lost soul
>>725512723Changing the game to please the casual audience.
>>725512723Forced multiplayer.
it was nu-capcomifiedAll the problems with current crapcom can be seen with the robot multiplayer game they madeAnd all of their current games have that generic "wide appeal" built into themIts kinda hard to explain but even their presentations are like some really filtrated corpospeak now
>>725531241The one thing you can't possibly bitch about in new MH is immersion. The world in game is more immersive than ever with all the small details and interactions between monsters. What people are complaining about is that it isn't as good of a boss rush game as it was.
>>725512723Crapcom pandered to tastless faggots with World. Then Crapcom made Rise and Wilds which are just Worldslop games with only minor aterations in slop ingredients. Worldspermfags bitch and sperg out because they are the Jojofags of MonHun
>>725516297the Palico is cute tho
World is the best MH will ever be.
>>725531996I dropped that shit 30 hours in
>>725516297Why the graphics so bad
>>725512723Remember to gatekeep your favorite franchises folks. Call the developers racist chuds and spread lies about their content if need be. Make sure the community remains niche by force otherwise these greedy, corporate hyenas will start targeting the casual market the moment they smell an opportunity.
>>725532175reminder, you LOST.
why so many hates on wilds? i find it very good
>>725512723>sell out and compromise your identity to get the mainstream audience>get lucky and it works>double down thinking it will work even harder>doesn't attract any more of the main stream and instead lose the core fans you had previouslyget fucked capcom
>>725532175vtards when director of monhun does what he wants to do instead of director of dark souls or director of hollow knight
>>725532175Gatekeeping doesnt work when the developers/publishers don't interfere
>>725532407*developers/publishers interfere
>>725512723Rise is the only good MH game.
>>725512723Rise
>>725530639The silkbinds were good, but they weren't the primary reason why rise SA fuckedThat was due to rapid morph and the flexibility of the morph attacks
>>725530684imagine this but on a real server with real numbers and not fucking rainbow ass numbers gigachinga chonger bonk
why do i have a feeling if people in this thread werent poor and had pcs that could run the game they would love wilds? is it just a coincidence the only complaints people have is how it cant run on their 1070?
>>725530684this looks so retarded i cant help but be skeptical when someone says THIS looks good
>>725532641>1070Thats a funny way of saying RX580.
>>725532641I have a PC capable of playing Wilds. I regret it every day.
>>725532641get new material
If you're Capcom, how are you not embarrassed by this?
>>725513564Most of their changes weren't quality of life at all. The only quality of life improvement was just not releasing it on the god damn DS or a souped up gamecube. Being on PC in 60/120 fps did a lot for quality of life though I think they should have gone with the PSP graphics instead of the GRAFIXXX those ones look the best to me
>>725532778>no HD texture pack>last played: october 22ndNot really beating the alegations
>>725532878Capcom is an egregore. It doesn't care about your stats. It doesn't care about your sales. Its not the employees or the shareholders or even the company itself. Capcom is an idea. And that idea is shitting up PC gaming
>>725531767rubbish
>>725522469Eeeeh, 3U had one event fight that was difficult, everything else was piss easy. The QoL that really shifted things towards casualization was how the monster rooster was significantly better, but so god damn easy.FU had the farm which meant you didn't have to gather mid hunt3rd perfected it and added quest inventory space3u made the farm worse and uw control worse, but kept the defense buff and general lack of difficulty from 3rd gen4u you had bullet inventory space, and the wycon that completely streamlined item mass production and honestly this is what got us where we are now.Of course you have Gen/XX to thank for "sharpening? Reloading? I just want to Bing Bing wahoo!" mentality but wycon was the turning point
>>725518994You lying bastard.
Imagine defending World's casualization by trying to discredit the slippery slop that is moving by healing, fast travel and infinite restock.
>>725512723capcom had a capcom moment
>>725530407Completely get him, desu any time I used arts or casual styles in XX I felt so god damn casual I had to put the game down.Capped it at 300h instead of the usual 600-800ish because of it
>>725533262imagine being that retarded that you complain about moving healing and infinite restock in comparison to games where you can LITERALLY AT ANY MOMENT LEAVE THE AREA WITH GIANT MONSTER AND DO ANYTHING YOU WANT. Riding around on dog/chicken and healing is a fucking life and death situation compared to zoning.
>>725517415see, this is why there's no point in talking about this shit on 4chanyou'll get one person saying world is easy, one reply saying gu is easy, another saying 4u is easy, repeat until you hit "monster hunter was shit anyway".it's just retardation from insecure babies
>>725533413World is easy
>>725533413XX is easy
>>725533434GU is easy
>>725533434gu is easy
world and rise are both good games while wilds is notif understanding this is beyond you that is not my problem
>>725533371nah
Monster hunter was shit anyway
luv p3rd, hate 4u, luv world, hate rise, hate wilds. simple as.
>>725533413Yeah I noticed during Rise that monster hunter discussion is retarded>it’s so easy I kill every monster almost as fast as speedrunners but with comfy skills only and never cartWhich has resulted in Wild post launch content being really hard but they’re sticking to the script
GU has the most monsters and SnS oils, therefore it's the best one. It's just that simple.
All these games play the same. Its Capcom’s Pokemon
>>725533815you are actually retarded if you think 4u, world, and rise all play the same
>>725533736exactly. Wilds is likely the hardest pre G-rank MH ever was, but they still pretend it's easy and monsters are wound locked.
>>725533740How many of them are actually good tho
>>725533021Nice argument, surely you can clarify in what way the old games with monsters teleporting between zones and monsters that are supposed to eat each other teaming up to gang up on you are more immersive.>>725533262Infinite healing is a non issue, you could always carry a ton of healing by crafting them if you wanted to. Fast travel is a necessity because the maps are so big, and moving while healing was also needed because monsters are faster and don't have 2 janky turn animations before every attack anymore but I admit it could have been done a bit better.
>>725522510>skill > convenience>easy =/= funCorrect, doesn't change the fact that not in a million years will any older MH game ever get close to Worlds numbers. If they were all released on PC right now, anything before World would be a ghost town 2 weeks in.
>>725533940they're going to have to deal with the problem of how hard to make the master rank expansion because ultra casuals will be coming back to the game for it and then either all of a sudden they're getting anally gaped by 12-star rapist subspecies zinogre that's a hard requirement for story, or its going to be an absolute joke due to welfare gear and weakened AI to ensure gamer dads can experience the story just as ryozo intended for the franchise to focus on
>>725522510People love 4U because it was the first game in the series with story and tutorial you cuck. 4U is World for nintendobabies. It also was the SIXTHs game in the series with companion that actively healed you whanever you took any damage. So in conclusion: you are retard cause you thought 4U was difficult and a retard cause you can't recognize your bias. Fucking Seltas is easier than velocidrome, bulldrome and great jaggy, it's THAT casualized. Fucking Great Jagrass fights you more actively than Seltas.
>run a capture Seltas Queen on G Rank>I just wasted a Desert Seltas Queen without a cart, what could go wrong>QUEST FAILEDFucking Defense Down, man
>>725534278they dealt with that already with every single game since genu. It's gotta be 3/5star for first two monsters, then 4/5 for the rest of the story. Then you'll slay the final boss and unlike 5/5 and 6/5 hunts
>>725534278Early G/Master rank has always been easier than late HR
>>725534278>>725534278they dealt with that already with every single game since genu. It's gotta be 3/5star for first two monsters, then 4/5 for the rest of the story. Then you'll slay the final boss and unlike 5/5 and 6/5 hunts
>>725512940You're wrong. It wasn't the QoL. It was the casualization and focus on story elements. MHFU with QoL would be a 10/10 game. MHFU with more dynamic monster designs, fast travels and a rideable companion wouldn't be bad. What is bad? >game is focused on story>game focused on "graphics">game focused on "immersion">game focused on "open world" >game focused on "cutscenes">game focused on "story">game runs like shit>game has a terrible art direction>game has no friction >friction in combat (monsters are too easy)>friction in progression (everything before 9 star is a cake walk waste of time)>friction in defeat conditions (infinite resupplies, quests too easy, which is NOT QoL, it is a cheat code)>friction in grinding (everything that isn't an artian weapon or decoration takes a couple of hunts at most to make)
>>725534956>GU
>>725534956>4U>double Cephadromes>Tidal NajaralaNah
>>725535130the game has no friction in story eitherall this human focus and they couldn't even be assed to make a proper antagonistic force, zoh shia wasn't even hurting anyone directly before it was freed, we just broke its front door down because we assumed the worst
>>725535130another retard who didn't play the game>game focus on Xfor 5 hours of tutorial>runs like shitdoes not even on minimum requirements>terrible art directionthe best monsters, locals and armors ever looked>no frictionthen stop fucking duying to tempered not even 8* lagiacrus you reatrd i'm trying to get myself a gem to smelt it into armor spheres that it takes fucking days to upgrade a single piece of gear to max defence cause i'm still trying to get savage omega tickets and i will not be the one to blow that quest cause of low armor.
>>725535246ALSOthe locals were the ones who were ready to just end the whole wyvern milk business for good, and this would have at worst displaced about 100 tribe members who we're now basically in the process of indoctrinating and colonizing anyway considering they come to us for help anyways while we mooch off of their generousity, which would mean we're gentrifying them anyway!
>>725512723Milds is so fucking shit bruh
>>725535227>tidal najaralathe single worst monster in the series since gen 3. How did they even manage to take already bad najarala and make it not only worse but also fuckng invincible. And then made it apex on top of that.
>>725512723Stories is the only good thing to come out of this slop
>>725535130So much of this is exaggeration or lies. You can’t make armor sets in a couple hunts because of the tickets
Infinite resupplies was singlehandily the only thing that ruined the franchise. It removed all difficulty of the game. It isn't a QOL
>>725535262the money you spent on a gaming PC should've been spent on english lessons
>>725535262>5 hours of my time wasted and several tens of thousands of total dev time on a stupid fucking storyyeah no it is indefensible, you are retarded>does not even on minimum requirementsFor how the game looks, it runs like shit. Listen you stupid nigger, if this game had the visual fidelity relative to it's era the same way Crysis did back when that game came out I would be forgiving. But it doesn't. it looks AND runs like dogshit. I have a 4090 and a 7800x3d.>the best monsters, locals and armors ever lookeddelusional4U on Citra looks better.>then stop fucking duying to tempered not even 8* lagiacrus you reatrd i'm trying to get myself a gem to smelt it into armor spheres bla bla blaMulti player hunter scum. Lower your tone when speaking to solochads.
>>725535490Restocking is completely fucking irrelevant nobody dies to attrition they die to getting hit 2-3 times in a row because of picking a bad wake-up option or a one shot
>>725535493why would I want to learn a subhuman sheeple language for money when I can do that by flaming niggers on 4chan for free
>>725535490you know you have to make the choice to restock right? you can personally never choose to restock if thats how you want to play the game. its not like when you die the game gives you a full batch of supplies
>>725535485An endgame set should take 30+ hunts minimum to complete. Maybe more considering hunt times are so short these days.MHFU solved the grind design years ago, but now we have to do retarded charm rng shit because of you ADHD spergs. You should have to fight a monster 50 times for even a chance of getting a single decoration craft that you want.
>>725535530>5 hours waster thousands of dev timeYou bitched about 4U having the best story and best monster intro cutscenes - they delivered. and they delivered peak btw, was worth it.>citraare you playing on low? Cause only then you can spout retarded shit like 4U looking better. >solochadsolotard, after hunting the same monster 50 times i turn on sos because, i kid you not, this is a multiplayer game, and it's more fun with others cause shit happens that wouldn't happen in solo. And yeah good luck soloing omega and I assume gogmazios, who they probably were preparing the support hunter AI for
>>725535635You're acting like you get a god charm and all jewels you need for free but those can take ages to acquire based on your luck.
>>725535635>+30 huntsSorry anon, we aren't autistic here, you can go tickle fatalis/lao shao lung's/akantor's bellies alone yourself, nobody else wants to engage with this shit. One hunt one piece of gear is good enough ratio.
>>725535635>An endgame set should take 30+ hunts minimum to complete. Maybe more considering hunt times are so short these days.The game has literally never been this grindy lmao
>>725535772nah you are assuming too much of them no way they play the game well enough to know the value of good deco or charm
>>725535635FUgrandpas are so delusional
the community actively worked towards this goal, which ultimately killed it. MH had a passionate community in the west despite management's utter disdain for the western fanbase. Then Tri happened and the fags in charge of capcom USA leaned HARD into quirky marketing with those stupid commercials, which forever solidified the fanbase as "heckin wholesome" from then on. Then you have faggots like the community manager calling monsters "steve" and "dave" which is VERY MUCH still a thing because reddit loved it oh so much.
It finally reached the point where hunters were given enough gimmicks to neuter any potential challenge the monsters could offer. It's been a long time coming>3rd gen added monster stamina>4th gen added mounting>5th gen added the slinger>6th gen added offset attacks
>>725535876>MH had a passionate community in the west despite management's utter disdain for the western fanbasethe western MH community has always had absolute retards and gamer dads as its vocal members like kogath and gaijinhunter, it was dead in the cradle
What's the best Monhun game?
>>725535827Go grind out a MHFU G-rank optimized end game set. Single decorations will take much longer than entire Wilds armor sets. You have no idea what you're talking about.>>725535813>endless grind for rng shit good>long hard but eventually deterministic grind badyou are everything that is wrong with this world
>>725535903>offset attacks and perfect blockare weaker than adept/valor styles AND base lance block of old gen cause now monsters will chip damage melt you.
>>725535937MHFU has the most SOVLMH4U has the best gameplayMHGU is the most kino
>>725522164Probably because they're all online games and they don't want to bother to make an online server for them.
>>725535929>alwaysgaijinfaggot didn't come around until after tri. tri is really what started the downfall, not because of the pisspoor monster roster and lack of weapons but because that game is what started the "engoodening" of the franchise. back when it was just a bunch of weebs on xlink kai and then later on adhoc party, shit was so fucking amazing. I still have friends I met during those days.
>>725535947>long but determenistic1% jewel isn't determenistic retard. Also we have determenistic grind for armor spheres
>>725535980Offset attacks also build up your stun meter so if you do a couple and get hit you’ll eat shit
>>725512940World was unironically peak, wilds in unplayable garbage, and you're a retarded unc who prefers tank controls in everything.
>>725535980>>725536072you guys are arguing with shitposters who have literally no idea on how the mechanics work
>>725517415You have not beaten Alatreon solo in piss easy world.
>>725535980>forcing me to remember that in Wilds, the SnS parry is better, more practical, faster, has better followups, and has higher chip negation than the fucking lance parry>all because lance's classic counter is so inhumanly buttfuckingly overpowered now that its entire DPS revolves around landing as many of them as possiblewhat a dogshit game
>>725536043it isn't 1%, it's more like 3-5% chance for a jewel to drop for a 20-30 min quest, odds increased if you get tail carves and tear drops. That is the correct way to balance grind friction.I'm not talking about attack jewel soulless retardation from World. Charm RNG is actually fucking stupid. That is even less than 1%, probably something like 0.05% or something stupid. But that's okay because you like eating shit or something.
>>725536178*crafting material for a *decoration to drop, usually it's the rare drop for the good 3 slot decos.
>>725524134>Just teleport to the camp and restock! It no longer matters if you brought the wrong armor/weapon. Just teleport to camp and switch, or even switch to a second weapon through your bird.You probably never played the older games as they released and engaged in online discussion about them because the option of being able to change weapons mid hunt had always been brought up as a way to deal with multi hunt quests with monsters that have different elemental weaknesses/good weapon match ups.
>>725513114You can never locate what went wrong because you are coping so hard it clouds reality.
>>725536169Something makes more sense for a tiny shield to be better at parrying and big shield be about blocking.
>>725524134>>725513160You are an actual retard whose opinions have no value in any context.
>>725513487based and trueWorldbabs seething shitting and farting
>>725536325yes, just ignore that the GL parry is as good as the SnS parry, or even that the GL's regular block is better than Lance's powerguard
>>725536445Wilds makes it clear that they no longer have any idea what they're doing with any of the weapon designs. IG is probably the worst offender. I have no fucking idea what they were smoking when making the new moves for Milds.
>>72553563530+ hunts is insane.I'm at 20+ Omega hunts and it just refuses to drop it's Omega Nodule so I can craft all of it's weapons and I WISH it had the "pity" system from World/Iceborne where you can just use tickets to trade for rare monster materials.I'm glad that investigations are a thing now so you can just search for hunts with guaranteed gem rewards because relying on a less than 5% drop rate sucks if you're super unlucky like me.
>>725536169Lance perfect guard is better than the one from SnS and your follow ups aren't bad either. The major difference is that SnS has mobility allowing it to get around attacks that shit on shields but on lance you can somewhat iframe them at least.
>>725512940>we could've gotten tons more new hunting weapons, biomes and interesting game mechanics by now>instead we get watered down qol streamling for normie nigger monkeys that will take years of the franchise crashing and burning to undo
>>725535947>Single decorations will take much longer than entire Wilds armor setsLolwut, decorations take far longer to grind than armor sets in the new ones. Guess you just never played them so instead you just talk shit.
>>725536552>use tickets to trade for rare monster materials.That's from Iceborne's update. I'm sure Wilds G will add the same thing so forget wasting time on Omega if you don't enjoy it
Do you think they'll break the emergency glass with the expansion and shit out a new weapon to try and get as many people as possible to come back
>>725531767graphics doesn't equate to immersion, it's the context of your actionsmodern HM games have zero preparation, just an endless stream of hunts
>>725536975buddy, they are gonna shit out underwater combat with how the fucking normie retards praised the lagiacrus fight
>>725536552Good. They did it right with Omega. Omega's grind duration and difficulty should be the standard for the series.
>>725536975No point on adding a new weapon when they first should fix the existing ones like IG or SA.
>>725535991>best gameplay>mounting>god awful verticality meme maps
>>725537028Switch Axe works, it's just really boring
>>725537032Fake oldfag. Old gen always had verticality. It just sucked before. I will admit that mounting is gay and some of the map designs that revolve around verticality are gay. But the entire endgame of 4U is 90% flat planes without ledges and usually without slopes too, so your point is moot.
>>725537006define preperation. because manually getting items hasnt been a fucking thing since FU
>is meant to be one of Capcom's keystone franchises>latest release was rushed out the door in a blatantly unfinished state just so they could make their yearly fiscal reports look good>major backlash over the utter lack of optimization ruined all goodwill that was built over the years since the previous mainline gameMy level of trust in the company has reverted back to the "on-disc DLC" days. The redemption arc was a lie
>>725536546every weapon is filled with odd decisions besides, and im being generous here, hunting horn, which I feel is currently the most fun its ever beenotherwise>GS is now all-in on the combo-playstyle because you can cancel recovery TCS into focus slash or even just parry>SnS has always been braindead but now you don't even have to commit to perfect rush to be optimal anymore>LS, honorable mention to YYBYYBYYBYYBYYB being the optimal combo now>DB lmao adept dodge>Hammer "lol what if we effectively let you do water strike while charging by cancelling the charge into the funny windup that has an offset if you let go immediately">HH is better than in 5th gen so this is the only weapon I'll give them points for>Lance feels like a brand new weapon designed by a schizophrenic>GL is better than IB but worse than SB, 90% of its moveset remains completely unused>SA doesn't exist, why don't you play these other weapons that all do the same thing but better>CB's only buffs being parries, overloading and focus mode is hilarious but focus mode definitely breaks it even if SAED sucks even worse to use now>IG also designed by a schizophrenic, was not going to have the bounce or an offset until people complained and then they put the offset on it's literal strongest move instead of something reasonably like the grounded backflipnot even going to comment on gunner weapons. Ichinose needs to save the franchise
>>725537142going on expeditions to collect resources that you will use in your hunts against large monsters is preparationthe modern games almost never require you to do this because you get so many resources passively while on regular hunts, it removes the sense of immersion you would feel while preparing for a hunt by collecting resources, or even grinding specific armor setsthe modern games feel like pure boss rushes
>>725537135who?
>>725537240Wasn't your best combo on LS Y > R
>>725537316The only real prep I did in old games is talisman mining runs and if you defend that garbage you have brain damage
>>725537398yeah my bad, got the buttons mixed up because I was thinking of SnS too which is YYBBYYBBYYBB
>>725512723>What went so horribly wrong for this franchise?it never went right
>>725537240I miss sunbreak lance......
>>725535227Those are piss easy compared to high rank Metal Raths in 4U's Tower
How are longsword and SnS in wilds, I heard that SA is fucked?
>>725537632>shield step jump thrust shield step jump thrust shield step jump thrust>brain suddenly reactivates, time to do a max damage skyward thrust at this specific angle of the monster's animation!it was honestly strange there too
>>725537427Isnt this the SB infinite? I recall your best combo was similar to the roundslash one but with the jump after reaper. However PR was still better just not useable against most endgame monsters unless they are disabled.
>>725537632kino...
>>725537240HH, SnS and DB are probably the few good ones. You're right, eveything else feels retarded or downright schizoprhenic. SnS an DB are a bit braindead, but you do end up using their entire movesets because they're made pretty well. DB also has gauge and stance management which does make the ceiling quite a bit higher. SnS would be perfect if perfect guarding wasn't so busted and free to do.
>>725527284>t-t-they do it s-so its okay for us to do it!>>725527428weekly? nigger, its DAILY, sometimes multiple times a daysame shit, no new news, no new discussion, just the SAME points, over and over.you people cant stop schizohate posting so much so that you even do it INSIDE the threads too.
>>725537680>How are longsword and SnS in wildsThey are fine. SA boils down to spam a single move so kinda boring.
>>725537980>those crisp textures and perfect framerate fucking hell you're making me miss Poopbreak
>>725520724that's a bit harsh don't you think? that part where you said 4th gen adding broken weapons, I assume you meant CB and IG. I'm not sure by broken meaning you can't enjoy the game at full potential bc not everyone can solo gog and apex stuff alone with CB nor IG, just a few can but not everyone and tbf, we all did asked capcom for more weapons variety to be added in the next installment, and we got two, four if you count Frontier, MS and Tonfa.
>>725538039All weapons are about accessing your highest damage option and using it as much as possible
just play p3rd and world, all you need
Focus mode should have only been added to Lance as a buff.
>>725538190Your whole moveset basically does no damage and the way FRS works as long as you get it through there is barely no reason not to use it. Other weapons are not this one sided. Only IG got it worse.
>>725538328DPS of power phial sword swings isn’t great but it’s safer and lets you reposition, yes FRS is a lot of damage but you can’t ONLY use FRS the mechanics of the weapon don’t let you
>>725538417It's a straight downgrade coming from SB. I wouldn't even mind FRS as move if it wasn't so one sided with RM being total useless as well. Charging is barely an issue with the sword counter.
Why did they butcher ZSD
>>725537980that's like GU but not coolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Oi4MQhS8Dc
>>725536581god I hate this timelineI could pour hours and hours in MH before, Wilds obliterated any enthusiasmit's all on the spin-off b-team game now, but I don't have high hopes...
Say 1 nice thing about your least favorite Monster Hunter. I'll start, the twins.
old people are holding this company vack
>>725538657I tapped out of wilds at 60 hours, for reference i have 1.2k hours in World and 800 in Rise. 400 in GU and 200 in P3rd.
>>7255386874U is really pretty and has a lot of great aesthetic choices that unfortunately the later games did not inherit properly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eOtHkBM39cMonhun will never EVER be this cool again
>>725538687It introduced Yian Garuga
>>725538687The trumpet that sounds like a monkey chimping out is pretty cool, that's the only good thing about world/iceborne. Everything else was a negative.
>>725512723>What went so horribly wrong for this franchise?lack of gatekeeping
normalniggers are fucking weird man every time i try and go back to world im physically incapable of having fun on the dogshit numaps please just bring back the loading zones holy shit you guys have no idea how to make a game without them
The secret of making Monster Hunter difficult but fun is not to speed up monsters and bloat their HP but to slow down hunters, reduce weapon movesets and decrease the amount of skills a hunter can use. The next game needs to go back to the basics.
>>725538997>please just bring back the loading zoneslmao
>>725538758yeah, the whole low rank section is unbearable and only the promise of a better game in high rank kept me going, but even then, it's still the broken game Wilds isnice numbers, I have around 900 on World (Guiding Lands and Fatalis Quest really boosted the time spent on it kek) and around the same number combining 4U and UltimateDidn't play Rise, do you recommend playing it after the gut punch Wilds was ?
>>725539035Sunbreak is fun and if you liked styles/arts from GU then you should enjoy it. I think it was on sale as well if you are getting the MH itch
>>725538984You can't gatekeep easy to play / easy to complete gameslike World/Wilds/Rise. Good games are never made for a wider audience, popularity begets decay.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULz20VvUpHQ
The code of the Bonk1. There is only the Bonk.2. That which is not the Bonk is considered heresy.3. The Bonk is to be delivered promptly to the monster's head (exhibit 1)4. Should exhibit 1 be out of reach, the Bonk will instead be delivered towards the monster's balls (exhibit 2) until such a time that exhibit 1 is once more available.
>>725539154>Sunbreak is fun and if you liked styles/arts from GUThey were a bit weird at first but once you get what combinations work, you get to have funMaybe I'll give it a try until the Wilds extension releases (it likely won't redeem Wilds)
the switch 2 mh will save the series
>>725535980>are weaker than adept/valor styles>adeptI severely doubt that adept frames are more lax>valorGo and try lmaovalor through some of the Boltreavers bullshit and take a look at your HP bar afterwards. Valor also locks you into a fancy animation afterwards too AND leaves you in the sheathed statePeople really base their opinions of valor off some TAutist HBG runs on youtube lol
>>725512940TRVKEI can't wait for them to add yellow paint
>>725512723NO INNOVATION, SAME SLOP EVERY TIMEGETS BORING WHO CARES
10 milly sold for Wilds even after the betas showed everyone how shitty and lazy the game was. It's over for real Monster Hunter and it's time to accept that fact and move on.
The Volcanic Hollow is so fucking bad it tanks my whole opinion of 4U, how do you go from the best volcano in the series (Tri) to that piece of shit? It justs takes away my drive to play every time I get a quest in that map. And for some reason they chose it for GU as well
>>725512940>still calling QoL QoL instead of using the well deserved >Casualizations m h, World is a casualized mess, Rise is sanitized in a really weird and boring way.>>725539824Correct. I don't understand why they never expanded the grinding/crafting/mat aspect of the game, like include more herbs, more stones, more nodes. Make the game a bit harder prepare as you progress. It's always the same picks, the same rods, the same nets. Imagine a special pick that you can only get from certain bosses, real mistery nigga sort of thing that doesn't get released to the public, let people mix everything. Oh we can't anymore due to zoomtroondiscord? OH well that SUCKS doesn't it? Maybe we deserve Wilds and the nu-zoomtrooncaca obsession with>LEHARDlmao
>>7255398814U has the worst maps in the series. Well, maybe Wilds takes that crown now
We're still pretending that limited whetstones/nets/picks is some crazy amazing thing?
>>725539881What's wrong with it? monsters are always in 9-8-3, 6-4-7, 5-6-4. Tri and 3U maps take forever to travel and monsters don't give a fuck in that game, they go from corner to corner or even worse underwater.
>>725513135They won't do that because people won't play the new titles then.
>>725540212you know GU servers are literally still up on switch and more people play Sunbreak right?
>>725540092Bro just imagine the sovl we coulda had…you wanna kill Gog, but he needs special cannonballs made from Rune ore, but you gotta kill Rathalos to make the Rathalos pickaxe to mine Rune ore and Rune Ore has a 1% chance to drop from black rocks and it takes 100 rune cannonballs to kill Gog so you gotta click 1000 rocks with your Rathalos pickaxe but a Rathalos pickaxe can only break 20 rocks before it breaks so you need to beat Rathalos 50 times so that
>>725540092Limited whetstones never were a factor (but they should've been developed further to have different applications) but going to dogbird sharpening is definitely a mistake
>>725540329>RPG elements in an RPGMillion zoomtards gasp as they fear using google or bookmarking a wiki once again to progress through a game.LoL Rofl, ;p even.
>>725540161Not him but the climb from 9 to 8, 8 to 2, 8 to 6, and the giant wall within 8 itselfI can't remember if this was the case in 4U too since it's been a while since I've played, but Brachy sometimes fucks off from 2 to 6 and it's a long ass run
>>725540337Br0 y0Udon't HAVE 2 use the DOGBIRD you can SHARPEN NROMALLYY
if they are going to ruin the franchise with dogshit game mechanics they at least should have done the obvious and let me tame monsters
>>725540485I mean I'd accept that if they gave you powerful alternative, i.e. sharpening without the dog ups your damage/sharpness tier significantly. Or at least lmao2kat like Rice
>>725540530there is literally a whole fucking spinoff game series for you man
>>725540562yeah and its also literally not the game i like
>another seething thread about wilds
>>725532641every day i regret giving them money for this piece of shit
>what went so horribly wrongnormalfags got a hold of it
>>725541140Correct, World was a mistake.
I miss Monster Hunter
>>725512940I would tell you to go choke on a bug net but probably would break before ending the job
>>725541523you can still easily play whatever your favorite game is
>>725524134Based. Transmog is fucking gay.
>forget to restock before a quest in an earlier mh game>abandon the quest and post it again after restockingwow what a penalty
>>725540161Personally most of the areas you fight in feel so fucking cramped (especially 2 and 3) then 8 feels awful too because of the giant wall cutting the space in half and then the rest of the area is a very steep slope that makes it difficult to see. Plus it's a chore to climb and move around, just very unpleasant all around for both hunting and harvesting
p3rd with a G rank would be the best game in the series.
>>725535130>MHFU with QoL would be a 10/10 gameAbsolutely not. It's my favorite game in the series but trample damage from monster turning is the most annoying mechanic ever and I'm glad it's gone. Totally ruins the pacing of combat with the simplistic choice of using your timer staying afk on the edge of the neighboring zone until red health is back or giving in and using another potion. Being incentivized to not play the game while you sit in your safe cuck corner regenerating is not good game design.
>>725540250No, I didn't know that. But I'm sure those're oldfags and the occasional new player. Putting pre-World titles on modern hardware will likely fuck Capcom over.
>>725540616Yeah and you're also literally a fucking faggot
Wilds killed the fun out of my favorite weapons (GL and SA)
>>725512723>went wrong>new entry sells 10 million+ copiesjust two more weeks xisters, just remember to keep praying for crapcums downfall and remember play strategically when shitposting.
>>725545638>Sells 10 million in 1 month>Sells less than 1 million 7 months laterI'm not denying it's a success but this isn't good either
>>725538687The idea of a connected map with no loading screens sounded cool on paper I guess
>>725545770you want every single normal faggot in this world to buy a copy? werent you fags crying that its too mainstream now? you dont even know what you want lmao. also, 10 million copies at full price. relax lil bro, capcom will be okay and if you dont think the expansion will sell just as well, youre delusional
>>725545986Oh yeah I'm happy that it sold less, word of mouth killed it. I was just parroting what was on their financial report, they expected a ton more. Enjoy your slop I guess
>>725546090>muh financial reportsyou have a stake on that pie? >muh slopnah bro the game is a blast
