Okay, so people are saying the Steam Machine is going to be good, because it'll be affordable PC gaming.I see some problems with it. It won't be sold at a loss. And it won't be very upgradeable.In comparison, what are some bare bones builds of AM5 systems that would be very upgradeable? Something like a 7600X and an Intel Arc B580, budget DDR5 RAM similar to the ones that comes with the Steam Machine, as well as similar drives. How much would this set up cost? Would the performance of this exceed the Steam Machine? So doing a self build would be cheaper, and more performant than buying a Steam Machine? And definitely more upgradeable.And everything in it would be easily upgradeable, so down the line, you could pop in a high end CPU, GPU, and RAM.
If it's not $500-$600, it's going to bomb.
Not sure why someone would choose to buy this over some other mini PC instead, unless the price is highly competitive.
>>725838762It is a product for valve fanboys. Just ignore them and move on.
If it can't power a locomotive it's not a steam engine.
>>725839243The clueless, lazy and confused is a huge, huge segment. Prebuilt market is gigantic. Manufactures intentionally confuse and plan obsolescence and mainstream media play along. It's sad, but at least trash pandas and used market eats good i guess.
>>725839243The Steam Machine has a dedicated GPU in it, not an iGPU. Mini computers don't have a GPU. As someone that owns a fast mini PC, its rough for gaming without a GPU.
>>725838762So, 90% of the Steam Machine is just a giant heatsink?
I'm not sure who this was made for. hardcore pc gamers won't like the weak specs, pure console gamers wouldn't care about the whole "this is a PC you can configure" aspect and probably don't have a steam library to begin with. the only thing that's good about it is the small form factor and the ability to use it like a console (e.g. having it in the living room)
>>725838762its running SteamOS, it will perform 50% faster in gaming than Windows slop
>>725840083>hardcore pc gamers won't like the weak specs53% of Steam's userbase plays on low-mid tier PCs at 1080p.
>>725840314Dota and cs players arent people
>>725838762Can some hardware experts answer my question about the cost of a budget, but highly upgradeable, build like the one I mentioned?
>>725839243because there is a large market of people who do maybe 30 seconds of research tops.
>>725840471>https://pcpartpicker.com/Have fun.
its for console gamers who want to PC game but without all the bullshit.>swtich on gabecube>pick game on Steam>playno installing, no windows bullshit, no driver fuckery
>>725838762People play games on Steamdeck and the reason for this console's existence is because Valve found out lots of people connect it to a Tv or monitor, so they created a slightly more powerful version of a Steamdeck but in the form of a console, so people can more comfortably connect it to a display or monitor.If you actually care about graphics and performance but still refuse to go all in on a PC then this console is not for you, buy a PS5 instead.
>>725840471have you tried asking >>>/r/ ?
>>725840682>aimed at console gamers>cant just plug in and play the games console players play without installing windowsEh. Sure.
>>725839183what if it's $399?
>>725839183My guess is that they will aim to sell it at about $100 cheaper than the ps5 pro
>>725841054What if gabe showed up to your house and gave it to you for free?
>>725840973You can just plug and play games. Those games are now console games.
>>725841054then Im buying one
>>725838762>people are saying the Steam Machine is going to be good??? Where?
>>725838762Unlike the 'eck, this is made for people who want to get into "PC" gaming but dislike the PC part. AKA normalfags.If you already have a decent setup then this thing is a waste of money unless you want to own a console for some reason, and this could easily be fixed by using an HDMI cable and big picture mode.
>>725841054At $399 I think you'd be stupid to not buy one.
Maybe I haven't searched hard enough, but I'm really surprised that nobody seems to have done a "Steam Deck to Steam Machine" conversion. What you'd do is buy a Refurbished 64GB LCD Deck or, better yet, a used Steam Deck with a broken screen. You just take the internals, put it in a 3d printed enclosure, add a built-in usb hub and there's your sub-$300 dedicated Steam Machine.I've seen this exact thing done with the Switchhttps://youtu.be/JEJt009r3cg
>>725839243mini PCs like this thing are close to 1000 bucksthis will do to the current crop of mini PCs what the steam deck did to all the chinese handheld PCs of its time, unbeatable value
>>725839924>Mini computers don't have a GPUgaming ones with discrete graphics do exist but they're expensive
>>725840382no true scotsman plays modern 4k slopreal gamers play dota and cs
>>725839243>other mini PCThey're made for office work and cost a lot more.
>>725841246And the games with anticheat?>I dont play that slop!!!Cool, but that is console people's bread and butter. As of 2021, 1 million Sonys only play cod, 6 million play cod 70% of the time. Now add in other anticheat games.
>>725841581Steam Machine will be close to 1000 bucks too, anyone believing it will be under $500 is legitimately delusional
>>725841245G-Give WHAT to me...?
>>725841546Why the hell would anyone want that? The Steam Deck hardware is good for a handheld, but as a desktop or console it is very weak.
>>725840952its a lot more than slightly more powerful than the deck lol, stronger CPU but weaker GPU than base ps5
>>725841815under 500 would be very aggressive pricing, but between 450-600 is very possible, but the price of ram is quite volatile atm
>>725841832Ideally, you'd use it to revive an otherwise dead Steam Deck (with a broken screen and/or broken controls)
>>725838762Valve Machine = PoorfagPS6 = Middle ClassNext-Xbox = Elites
>>725841816His big white steam deck limited edition
>>725841918>between 450-600 is very possibledelusional, more like.If it was priced $500 they wouldn't make any profit from it. It has to be 600 MINIMUM.
>>725840083It's made for me. I already have a good PC on my desk. I will buy this and connect it to my TV to be used as a PC console, playing what I can natively and streaming the rest. The form factor is the appeal to me, and in expecting it to be significantly cheaper than building my own USFF. Hoping for around €800.
>>725841546There is a problem. The Steamdeck is really weak, it runs Cyberpunk at 30fps or less without RT and all that shit.Also the new Steam Cube or whatever only has 8GB of VRAM on an AMD card, that should already tell you it's an old low end GPU because mid range AMD GPUs usually have more VRAM than that.
>it won't be sold at a lossWhy not? The Steam Deck was, because whatever money they lost per unit could potentially be recouped by ensnaring the user in the Steam ecosystem, which is the exact strategy MS and Sony have employed for decades.
>>725842069cost of materials is around 400 bucks, and theres precedent for this, as valve admitted that they sold the cheapest steam deck basically at costdo expect a decent profit margin on the 2TB unit though
>>725841789You can't play CS2 on a PS5 either but you don't see people crying over not having that specific game. You play the games that's avilable and that is completely normal.Or, which is so great, if you do have the know-how you actually get the chance to escape that walled garden unlike consoles.
>>725842241If they sell a computer like this at a loss, companies would buy them én-masse as extremely cheap office hardware, install Windows on it and never use Steam. Locked down consoles don't have this issue.
>>725838762>>725839243The price will be very competitive. It won't be sold at a loss like consoles, but it will have very low margins, similar to (but not as low as) the Steamdeck when it came out. It obviously won't be as cost-effective as buying old/used/refurbished shit off eBay, but you need to keep in mind that the Steamdeck almost undercut competition by 50%.
Basically it’s a new generation of suckers falling for valves’s bullshit again ten years later
>>725842292>>725842561>cost of materials is around 400 bucksMaterial cost is higher than that. A conservative estimate for the material cost is ~$430, but you have to add excess for shipping/handling and R&D factoring into the cost, plus a healthy profit margin of around 30% extra.I really can't see it being lower than $600. I'd be fucking impressed if they manage $500 for it. NAND prices skyrocketing lately could fuck the pricing model even further too.If you're expecting sub-$500 you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
>>725842713I love my Steam Deck so I'll happily fall for their bullshit again**depending on price and reviews on release because I'm not retarded
>>725842815meant to quote >>725842663
>>725842241>Why not?Because Valve already said that they won't be selling it at a loss, because they don't expect this to boost game sales at all.
>>725838762No a self builder probably wont be cheaperYou are comparing parts as if you are manufacturing a single computer. They will have a contract for 1,000,000 or however many. They will have a discounted rate based on how many they manufacture If you want more details on this, chrck out "economies of scale"
>>725842815yeah i'd personally bet on something between 550-600 as an aggressive price point with some margin for potential NAND pricing fuckery, not expecting them to try to make any money on the 512GB sku
>>725838762>Intel ARCIs this actually a legit option? Someone was asking me for budget GPUs and was hesitant to recommend this.
>>725843164that price range sounds more realistic to me
>>725841054I have multiple pcs that run circles around it and I'd still buy one and a frame if that was the price.pic/video unrelated
>>725840471>Can some hardware experts answer my question about the cost of a budget, but highly upgradeable, build like the one I mentioned?if you want to find out fast search local listings for a used gpu of your choice and multiply the cost of that by 2. that's going to be the approximate cost of your build. so if the 7600x goes for $150 in your area the entirety of everything else will be about another $150, and the total will be $300
>>725838762>budget DDR5 RAMdoesn't exist anymore :)
>>725842561Fair point, but that isn't likely to happen. Take the Steam Deck for example. Valve is the sole proprietor of new Steam Decks. They're sold exclusively through their storefront, sold only to those with Steam accounts, and protected by strict purchase limits of one device a week. You couldn't buy a fleet of Steam Decks if you tried unless they were bought second-hand. I'm sure Valve will take ample precaution to ensure these devices will remain in the hands of those that intend to build or expand an existing Steam library.
A prebuilt with equivalent specs runs for about 800$There is NO WAY they undercut that, they're not a fucking charity organization
>>725843239Somewhat. Depends how much troubleshooting your someone is willing to do. It's much better than the A gen but you still have to go throught bios settings to activate resize bar and a handful of games, particularly newly released ones, will pretty much not work before months of either waiting for driver updates or searching around for fixes. Pretty sure starfield still doesn't work on arc gpus, not that anyone would want to play it but still.
>>725838762if I go on pcpartpicker the cheapest self-build I can make with a ryzen 5 7500F, a radeon 7600, 16GB of shitty ram, using bottom tier parts with a 1 TB nvme, cheapest mobo, cheapest case, cheap 500W PSU, is $760. Which would be slightly better in pure performance because both the CPU and video card will be slightly superior.
>>725838762Blows my mind how there are retarded people that unironically think this will be 500usd or below. My safe estimate is at least 700-800.
>>725844323*and I'd say it's easily worth an extra $100 or more to have all easily swapped or resold self-builder parts instead of a brick that can only easily upgrade the single NVME storage slot.So if the cube is the $700 or $800 I'm sure it will be it's just for the very laziest rich people
>>725844394they're just used to massive loss leading on consoles, which steam can't really do because companies and such would mass buy them and then never spend a penny on steam.
>>725841054400 would be a steal500 would be acceptable 600 or above and it's a no go
>>725844323>>725844529Is the PC you picked out USFF? That's like one of the main selling points of the GabeCube.
>>725838762>because it'll be affordable PC gaming.That will depend entirely on whether or not Valve will subsidise the console the way Sony does Because if they are selling at a profit it will cost more than the base PS5
Can i install mods on games with this thing?
>>725838762snoys are really taking the loss of ps5s last novelty feature pretty hard huh
>>725844787no, just a micro ATX
>>725845184Yes, it's a PC with Linux or, if you install it, Windows.
>>725844787Don't forget the time and labor required to build a PC. PC Gamers always seem to forget that time and labor are precious resources with have a definable worth when comparing a PC to buying a pre-built or a console.
>>725845505takes literally 20 minutes. It's not like doing auto repair or some shit. It's like doing an oil change
>>725845505This is such a meme. My free time doesn't have a worth because I don't make money in my free time.Besides, building a PC is fun.
>>725838762I don't think valve is targeting people building their own pc anywaysI think it's more about turning the console people, and/or getting some casual playerssince casual players that will not build a pc is a waay bigger demographic, it makes more sense to target them financially but who knows, maybe it will flop. companies who chase the "mainstream audience" usually dig themselves into a grave
>>725840471if you are looking to make a computer that will last and wont run into weird issues from cheaping out on components. it will be over 1000usd. this is a barebones copy of the steambox with the cheapest partshttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/4mjYMCcheap power supply that wouldnt be enough if the cpu and gpu were upgradedcheap case that wouldnt be big enough if you wanted a larger gpu or heatsink/waterloop.cheap motherboard that might not recieve bios updates for future compatibilty with better and more power consuming cpusinexpensive heatsink, while very good, might not be up to the task with a higher wattage cpu. can go with slightly faster ram, around 600080-100 for a better larger case80-120 for a 750-1000watt gold psu150-200 for a higher end AM5 motherboard that has more usb ports, m.2 slots, and better VRM for more demanding cpus.either go with the cpu headsink in that list or 100+ for a better AIOcurrently ram prices are inflated because of AI, so 160-200 for 2 sticks of 16gb for 32gb of 6000mhz ram. I dont know what kind of performance you want right now, so check TechPowerUps charts. cpus are great right now, so the gpu is more critical depending on what resolution and fps you want to play at in certain games. And GPUs prices are also crazy
>>725845678>20 minutesMaybe to install a new GPU and get your new drivers installed. A full build takes considerably longer but you already knew that.>>725845872Your time is finite and non-renewable, so it has an intrinsic value. You like building PCs so that time isn't considered wasted, but you can't assume that of everybody else.
>>725842235the Steam Deck plays most games. It really only struggles with AAA-slop and the new Steam Machine is going to have the same problem (albeit to a lesser degree)
>>725847125the tiny display carries a lot of water for the deck, if it had to drive someone's 4K living room TV it would shit itself and die
>>725844810That's the biggest issue. And from everything I've seen and watched about this, the way Valve are talking about it, they are not willing to subsidise. Hopefully I'm wrong. But I don't think I am.
>>725846635I built one in like half an hour as a pube bearded teenager watching a youtube vid for a guide. It is literally not a hard thing to do. The Windows install took longer than the assembly.
>>725838762I'm so glad I'm not poor lol
>>725848624You upgraded the GPU and CPU in an OptiPlex, but you must certainly did not build an entire computer in 30 minutes.
>>725848624Absolutely no way it took you 30 minutes without speedrunning it. You are full of Shit.
>>725844692Yea but why would it be at that price when the PS5 Pro is like $750? Like an actual mouthbreather mentality when it's a PC that can do more than just a glorified netflix and game machine. Consolefags are actual subhumans.
>>725838762You are not the target demographic for this device. The target is console gamers who don't want to think about anything but plugging in a machine.Valve literally just looked at the average specs from Steam Hardware Surveys and made a prebuilt with similar specs.
>>725849819>>725849908What part of assembling a PC do you think takes that much time?
>>725850469Unboxing, cable management, installing the cooler. These are all 5-10 minute tasks.
>>725850624Only if you're treating that parts like they're newborn infants and they're break if you look at them wrong. Put your CPU in the socket, give it a little jizz of paste, put the support bracket on the back, and then install your heatsink. It isn't open-heart surgery, it is LEGOs for technophiles.
>>725850624The people that are so worried about spending an hour plugging in their computer parts probably don't play games at all. You're going to "waste" far more time playing actual games than the time it takes to build the fucking computer.
>>725839243I want a device that I turn on and immidetly im in steam, just like a console. No drivers, no using a mouse until I open steam then switch to controller. Im fully capable of hooking up my pc to the TV but it doesn't feel organic whatsoever. Im buying this because Im not poor and I want a user friendly experience where I can game on the couch with a good sound system. Will be great for single player games and emulation
>>725841546according to valve 15% of deck users use it docked most of the time, so pretty much what you're suggestingThat's what made them decide it was time to try the steam machine again. You're getting a lot more bang for your buck without having to shove in a touchscreen and making it handheld.
>>725851519>I want a device that I turn on and immidetly im in steam, just like a consoleYou can do that with virtually any PC. There's nothing stopping you from installing SteamOS on your own system.
>>725841180That's optimistic kek. They already said it will have PC pricing and Steam Deck at launch was premium priced too.
>>725850878>treating expensive components with careOh so THAT'S what I've been doing wrong this whole time.
>>725838762Ive heard it won't be subsidized and will be PC priced because a PC sale doesn't translate into steam game sales, enterprise could order these and use them as mini PCs for example.So why don't they sell it at PC price but bundle some games with it, or you can pick some games to get with it, or steam wallet, or something. That's transactionally the same as buying software. And if you were going to buy steam games anyway you've saved money and it's like the box was cheaper in the first place.
>>725840471unless you're going high end there isn't much material benefit for overspending on secondary components past basic spec and compatibility. get a gold rated power supply from a reputable brand, get a case that has airflow and the connections you need, outside of that you can slash a good deal of money, even if you hope to get more than one cpu gen out of a motherboard, don't overspend past what you actually need to make that happen.
>>725840083People who dont have a gaming PC but would want a living room PC because PC has the greatest backwards compatibility of all time.
>>725851970Computers parts aren't that fragile. The only thing that should be handled with care is the cpu and the cpu socket due to the contact pins.
Explain the steam machine thing to me. I thought these things were released like 3-4 years ago. Basically different companies can make their own version of the Steam machine right? Is this really the first time it's being released?
>>725852414I don't want to know the mistreatment your RAM sticks and 24-pin ATX Power slot have suffered.
>>725852625anon the wave of steam machines you're thinking of were released over 10 years ago and haven't been produced sincethese new ones are living room versions of the steam deck
The irony of arguing about muh time while you spend hours on this site. just be real your time isn't really worth that much anyways.
>>725838762>In comparison, what are some bare bones builds of AM5 systems that would be very upgradeable?Remember that AM5 is 7000 and 9000 series and AMD already announced AM6. So yes, you can upgrade from lets say a 7600 to a 9800x3d, but not as big as you think, 1 generation is a meme and keep in mind that normies will never upgrade their CPU. >GPUThis is on the other hand is huge, basically unlimited upgrade path (ignoring cpu bottleneck)>PriceI think you can only be on a similar price level of the steam machine, if you go with AM4 and that would cuck you out of upgrades and you have to build it yourself (which normies won't do).
>>725843570cool combo, sir
>>725852846You'd need to be willingly be trying to break those. M.2 are at a much bigger risk of an accidental break.
>>725852846do you have like a fat fingers or something because all you literally have to do is just apply slow but consistent pressure to both side but also not enough that any slip would immediately turn the ram 90 degrees from the motherboard.I swear half of the complaints are just from people who have shit hand-eye coordination and has never assembled anything or played an instrument in his life.
>>725838762>And it won't be very upgradeable.They could have genuinely blown up the internet if they opted for some kind of upgrade-ability, a la Fairphone. They could have made it work, solely by being Valve and not some obscure brand.It seems like an okay piece of tech but ultimately it's meant for the landfill. Fuck Apple for making this the default manner of hardware design.
>>725856489they literally did it to lower temps. Soldering directly makes for better thermals. 200w in that small frame is just impossible without some sacrifices.
>>725838762As long as it pairs well Valve's new VR, it does its job at getting non-PC gamers to try VR. It's a PC, but it's clearly not for PC gamers who have better rigs.
>>725838762>>725839183Linus sex tips mentioned their "mentality about it"explicitly mentioning a "conflict of partner interest".This basically relates to their partnerships with hand helds companies, Asus, msi, and Xbox. Also strong emphasis on PC part, that at the end of the day it's a PC which is capable of doing any PC work flow, dev software and browsing...I guess. In this sense it's hard to imagine price being any less than current gen consoles, maybe a step higher.
>>725857486I think it'll be $750
>>725856483If you're rushing through the process, enough so that you complete the entire build in half an hour like the other guy claims he did, you're not doing anything carefully, periodt. This isn't about hand-eye coordination, this is about finesse and patience, or lack thereof in your case.
>>725841302Reddit is beyond hyped for it. R/Steam is talking about this thing killing the console market lol
Would you be able to hookup an external GPU to the thing?
>>725840471>cost of a budget, but highly upgradeableit's not really a good idea, but you could go with amd last gen cpu 6 cores and update in 4 years when next gen cpu are phased out when the new cpu are coming out, you would be always one to two gen behind and still have to for over money quite often.
>>725859282dude it doesn't even take 3 minutes to plug the ram into the socket lmao. You literally just check dual channel slots, then check if the indent is on the right side and just plug it in. The fact that you think taking less than 3 minutes to insert a ram is "rushing through the process" is enough of a tell you're one of those retards that still doesn't know how to control and distribute your push. It takes literally longer to double check which goes into what socket than the actual plugging process, and even then shit like CPU cooler and SSD/HDD are so standardized it's just obvious from the get go.
>>725838762If you can trust the wiki this combo with the cheapest parts i could find is a bit more performant compared to Steam Machine. I wouldn't buy it though. The SSD is pretty slow. And the mobo definitely doesn't have any kind of WIFI or steam controller bluetooth whatever that the box has.
>>725860248You know damn well I wasn't just referring to rushing through RAM installation, but go off.
>>725861213It has nothing to do with Valve, it’s just a fucking awesome product
>>725861725>awesome productyeah go back to redit and shill there
>>725861308that's why I said 3 minutes and not 30 you passive aggressive fuck lmao. Literally half of that 30 minutes is just checking the manual and double checking to see if it's the same thing from when you last built one, and maybe an additional 10-20 minutes for a cleaner cable management. Fuck it's actually easier now because half of the time you don't even need to cable manage the SSD thanks to M.2
>>725841180Sorry but as per Linus shill tips, valve said that "it's a PC and will be priced like a PC"$800 incoming.
>>725862017I just don't see why you have to lie like this, man.
>>725862817You can build a pc for $500 if you actually research. And it'll probably run better
>>725863096Because it's not unrealistic? Btw did you know that if you do shit again and again you'll become faster at doing the same shit?Besides nigga you're already here wasting even more time. Even if the build is longer that's like how many hours over what, at least 2 years before you upgrade? It's always the whiny bitches with shit time management that constantly cry about having to spend an hour or two doing the most basic shit.
>>725859942Mileage may vary depending on the ports it has. I don't think the steam deck supports them because it's ports suck, people had to do some Diy stuff with the m.2 slot. So maybe, depends.
It will be sold at $700 only through Steam when it needs to be priced at $500 and available at brick and mortar. Valve have learned nothing from the last time Steam Machine failed and they will fail again.
>>725863120Yeah but will it be a cute cube with a heckin wholesome sound bar that lights up with the sound levels of my wife being fucked in the other room? I didn't think so.
>>725863907>Jimmy's mom buys a steam machine>Jimmy goes to play his favorite game>he cant run it>Jimmy's mom returns it and writes an angry letter to the President of Lithiania
>>725859804The marketing has to be aggressive because there's a whole market of mini pcs it has to contend with as well as consoles, if they stop marketing this shit for a minute it's over lol
>>725838762I wonder if Gabe is going to have some kind of "enforced" requirement like consoles that games should be able to run on the Steam Machine.>Your unoptimized port won't run? Then you're not going on the shelf.Would be wild and might fuckdown the companies throwing out slop that barely works.
>>725863907>it needs to be priced at $500 and available at brick and mortar.Fuck no PC already has enough retards and poors we genuinely don't need anymore
>>725840952Agreed this device is aimed at causal gamers and not the zoomer PS5 faggot who games at 4k resolution. It also sets a good performance ceiling for game devs to aim for so we don't end up with a Crysis or cyberpunk.
You know, you retards will unironically cause tons of Americans to purchase an overpriced piece of shit brick when they could build a better pc for the same price.What is wrong with you? You should be against this tranny shit not shill it.
>>725865986Saar redeeming the steam machines and please purchase sony console
>>725842292>and theres precedent for this, as valve admitted that they sold the cheapest steam deck basically at costI expect there to be a $50 added price for a couple reason.1. Trump Tariffs2. Places not interested in buying games on Steams (eg. workplaces) may see to buying 100s of these to replace their existing workmachines if the workload is suitable for the specsWhere-as with the Deck, it's not quite suitable for much besides just handheld gaming, unless you want to awkwardly turn it into a PC with a dock, where it still lacks the power to do 3d shit even at 1080p.
