Their games are way too wordy and pathfinder gameplay is ass. Its glorified visual novels for spreadsheet autists

>>725860239
cuckhold simulator

>>725860239
Their games are a complete buggy mess that takes years to fix, but they have RPG souls as devs.

wokeslop

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>>725860239
Amazing how you can create a game with all characters being unlikable

>>725860239
tranniecat

>>725861398
The gay griphon guy was a pretty cool bro. The midge commander guy was also cool. Everyone else sucked

>>725860239
I fucking hate them, because they're somehow considered competent developers and their games receive praise just because they writers dove slightly deeper into the lore of pf/40k.
I have never played an rpg before where leveling up feels like a punishment. Yet both pathfinders and rt are like that.
Balance is nonexistent, every fight is either piss easy or way too hard. In case of rt I know for sure that devs thought everyone would abuse officer skills to make your primary damage dealer take several turns doing ten attacks per turn, so chapter 3 and so on is full of encounters that throw overwhelming waves and bosses against you.
Apparently owlfags thought their powerbase consists of turboautists who spend an hour in excel every lvl up calculating how much cum you can produce if you fap 3 times squatting but only if you shit yourself this turn.
Skills are boring, you constantly do same things over and over in both rt and pf.
Story is beyond retarded, wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle is the perfect description of their stories. Look, we are so cool, we mentioned dark eldar, but actually necrons are here as well!
And fuck me, their pacing sucks. It takes 6 to 8 hours of playtime before rt drops you into main part of the game, where you finally play as rogue trader and have some actual freedom of travel and decisions. Fuck me, mass effect 3 was a better game, and that was a piece of shit.
Then, they throw fuckton of subsystems at you, as if it makes the game deep and multilayered but actually all it makes you do is tear through do much timewasters.
I could go on but fuck it, nobody cares anyway.
Tl;Dr: owlcats are hacks, a telltale of RPGs that made several barely working boring numbers games and I wish only the worst for them

>>725860239
I'm used to waiting 5 years for a decent sale so waiting 3 for it to finally get somewhat fixed is no big deal, otherwise pretty decent games, visible improvements with every entry as well.

>>725860239
Like the games with roguelike modes, otherwise I don't care

>>725860239
Good crpgs but have to play 2 years after release

Releases unbelievably buggy games that can be fun five years later.

Which should I play?
Pillars of Eternity or Pathfinder: Kingmaker?

>>725864610
Skald

>>725864610
Pathfinder and it's not even close. PoE is like a fucking sedative.

>>725864610
What's stopping you from playing both?

>>725864610
I'd say Pathfinder, I have tried getting into Pillars like 5-6 times and always bounce off after a few hours

>>725865027
I own both.
Playing both simultaneously or even alternating between playing two massive crpgs at the same time is absurd.
Hence, which should I play?

>>725865696
Play POE 1 and 2, then Pathfinder 1 and 2.

>>725864745
I actually own that too, but figured it needed time for patches and whatnot.
Is it in a good state?

>>725865696
pathfinder. I crowdfunded a lot into PoE and while mechanically and art-wise I like it, the lore is boring, the writing sucks, and it’s a snoozefest.
Kingmaker can be janky and has that calart WoW style shit, but it’s a good game.

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I couldn't get into Kingmaker. It simply just wasn't fun as an RPG. I dropped it during the cult chapter because it was so boring to play.

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>>725860239
They certainly came places since Kingmaker, but you either like or can't stand their games. The Expanse is going to be their shot at BIG BUX, though.

>>725864610
these two are very VERY different games despite both being isometric fantasy crpgs. if turn-based matters to then wait because poe1 is apparently getting it in an update soon.

>>725864610
Pillars 1. Then tyranny

>>725866294
I like that Kingmaker was a game that shot well above its league. Yeah, there's like three cave types, but there's also time, weather and season system that do things.

>>725867251
>tyranny
now that's an interesting game. and short by crpg standards since it was built for couple of replays.

>>725865656
>I have tried getting into Pillars like 5-6 times and always bounce off after a few hours
Same, it's not as if I don't like it either. Maybe i'll try it again.

>>725867553
It's the same for me, i don't mind it (i actually really like the rebuilding Caed Nua stuff) but the rest of the game and story just doesn't "click" with me. and there is something about the setting that i just don't like but i can't place my finger on what

>>725861398
>First 6 companions are 5 women and 1 guy
>All woman are highly unlikeable and trying too hard to leave at least some impression
>Guy have a character deep of a puddle
>The only character I want to know more about is a gloomy dwarf that made some grave mistake
>He is not recrutable at thos point of the game

>>725860239
Rare good studio still making games to be fun to play for the players instead of milking the consolegroid roller pigs with cosmetics and free 2 play monetization in a 100€ game. Also releases games every 2 years instead of modern slop studios that take 50 years to release dogshit that flops.

>>725866948
Bit late for that, I feel like the Expanse's star (heh) started to dim a bit recently.

>>725861398
Daeran is great.

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>>725861398
> all characters being unlikable

>>725860239
Literally who?

>>725860239
These russians are the only decent writers in the whole industry

>>725860239
My favorite studio currently.

>>725860239
remember when they uploaded a literal virus onto pathfinder on steam? I do.

>>725860239
Slopfinder was just okay, but Rogue Trader is shaping up to be an excellent game. And I say this as someone who doesn't care for 40kek.

>>725867251
No Pillars 2?

>>725861543
>>725861398
>not enjoying Ted Bendy the Female
>not enjoying Wojak the loveable scamp
>not liking one of the few based gays put to media (Daeran, not Sosiel)
I feel like there's definitely likeability in the characters depending what you're willing to commit to and let characters be characters, there's even some kino in other characters like
the Sosiel demon romance, ruining Arue, Wendaug . I agree that reddit fox and a couple of the characters get grating though but you can somewhat enjoy a good amount of them

>>725869036
Ye, I got lucky, been out for a few days and took a break from the game at the time this happened, almost got a heart attack when I read the patch notes on return.

>>725864610
>>725864990
2nding Kingmaker, it's an actual game and a pretty long one at that but it's not Word-salad explaining to you an entirely new convoluted doomer setting. The writing isn't as smart outside of dicking over the Lantern King, but you pay for Pillars' somewhat better writing by having tons of mediocre characters per each good one (Ghost Mom, Durance, Edel, Machine Girl). The game is also way too balanced to have fun playing spreadsheets, it's almost like the good options were made shit on purpose to encourage you to take mediocre bait options

>>725869520
I would have the game off my pc and would never buy anything from them again after that. why do you guys not really care?

>>725861398
The only one that I really didn't like in WotR was Sosiel. And that's mainly because Daeran can cover his role for the most part unless you get into autistic unfair shenanigans on a purist playthrough. And even then it was funny that you had this gay artsy fartsy nigger who still had anger and gambling issues, lmao

>>725869036
The first Season Pass for Rogue Tranny also originally promised three DLCs instead of two (same as Pathfinder), but they quietly removed it from the store page description. Check the Steam reviews if you don't believe me.

>>725869627
I mean, it got fixed and I did in fact never buy anything from them after that, but for other reasons.

>>725861398
>Amazing how you can create a game with all characters being unlikable
Regil and Ember are based.
The Hand of the Inheritor is really cool.
Daeran and Woljif are annoying, but they're annoying in the same way a little brother is, which is good writing, especially because they're still likeable in spite of how whiny and edgy they are.
Seelah is bro tier. She only gets hate on /v/ for reasons that have nothing to do with her character. People may say she leans more towards Neutral Good than Lawful Good, but that's the whole point of her character.

>>725872712
>The Hand of the Inheritor is really cool
Too bad our big brother isn't a full on party member
>Ember
eh, I like her but I can forgive why anons say she has Mary Sue-esque writing. But on the other hand she's actually a good natured character played so entirely straight that it loops around to being based and dabbing on demons.
I like Seelah enough for what she is but yeah my main complaint is that she's not really Paladin material despite how loose PF is on what a Paladin is and what they should do. All the issues I have with her and other similar characters boil down to the setting and the system being kind of slop with no coherency, not really a fault of her as a character. Same problem with Arue though Arue being a cute romance helps her case

>>725869362
>>not enjoying Ted Bendy the Female
Second on the list of unlikable right after Nenio (they share writer, coincidentally enough)

>>725869901
>Check the Steam reviews if you don't believe me
I don't believe you because I was there before the first season pass was even posted on steam and there were always going to be two of them

>>725872712
Finnean should be more of a character. Living weapons are such a cool concept, and absolutely underutilized in games and in general.

>>725860239
Why does the Rogue Trader only walk around with like 5 other people? Shouldn't he bring like 1000 people everywhere he goes?

>>725873537
That's an interesting take, she's pretty much the opposite of Nenio. Though I guess you're right about it too, like how Nenio is pretty much an unabashed autist played up for laughs and reddit humor Camellia is pretty much just a lunatic psychopath barely restraining herself from the party. I would replace her but she's the best tank in the game
>>725874257
Finnean being a character like Mort from Planescape would have been an inspired choice I think

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>>725861398
>All characters being unlikable
I'd say a minority of them are.

>>725874556
>worst to best rate
Odd direction.

>>725874556
Fuck you, Nok Nok is perfect. What could Nok Nok possibly do to move up the tiers?

>>725861398
I liked daeran a lot, also ember and regil.

>>725874978
>What could Nok Nok possibly do to move up the tiers?
Be a hot girl

>>725860239
the first half of Rogue Trader is the best 40K video game ever made
the second half of Rogue Trader proves that Owlcat is a terrible developer that will never be able to make a good game no matter how hard they try

they refuse to innovate gameplay wise, the best parts of bg3 are the verticality and imsim elements of their battle systems and owlcat refuses to catch up.

>>725875115
I really, really want to play it. But I feel so lost, I don't know much about 40k. I just quit after the tutorial fight after missing all 3 of my attacks.

>>725875115
I liked all of Rogue Trader.

>>725875327
then you're terminally retarded

>>725875115
They just fucking HAVE to make a 50 hour grand story, if the games were more compact they would only benefit from it. Overbloated is a good description of these games.

>>725868694
cringe writing.

>>725860239
Kino RPG crafters. Hope they make another Pathfinder game in the near future.

>>725875294
>verticality and imsim
It has nothing to do with BG by itself, here you got Larian refusing to improve and if you've played OS 1/2, BG3 feels like a step back instead. Maybe it's better without the context of their other titles, I don't know.

>>725875617
i meant larian's engine, other crpg makers including owlcat refust to add verticality into their gameplay systems. in fact, i think the only ones who came close were inxile with wasteland 3 back in 2020

Some of their items seem way too unbalanced. Like this halo device I found, it gives stats like crazy.

>>725876012
that's intentional

DO NOT

>>725875327
I only disliked act 5 because of how rushed it was
the rest was great

>>725876004
Verticality takes a lot of effort to do right and usually goes underappreciated. You hear what people like about Larian games pre-BG3 and you hear praise about the engine and the verticality and the cool gameplay but during BG3, arguably their most vertical and well crafted game, and it's
>muh characters
>muh story
>muh bear sex
Can't blame them

>>725862445
>we mentioned dark eldar
they did more than mention....
christ bro you are crashing out over a game you didn't even play, huh?

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>>725876012
ha ha yeah, it sure does

>>725875115
act 1 and 2 were ok, act 3 really shat the bed

>>725876306
I feel like it's less about verticality and more about player agency and interactivity. Obviously it's part of it but not everything.

>>725860239
woke and gay

>>725860239
>Hey how do we make the game fun?
>I know, let's bloat every enemy stat to be ten times higher than their tabletop version, that way the player is forced to use every buff available to them before any fight otherwise they wipe the party
These fucking niggers can't make a good game for the life of them

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>>725861398
several games, with all characters being unlikeable

>>725860239
I like them. I finally went back and actually completed a full run of Kingmaker and it gave me a greater appreciation of their improvements over time. But I still enjoyed myself.

>>725874996
Ember is the worst character of all their games

>>725877103
The twins are eminently likeable. As is Ekun. And I understand how Amiri being an insecure boasting dumbass will annoy most people but she’s my favorite.

>>725861398
I don’t agree, but even if that were true that’s still better than them being inoffensively boring.

>>725877841
Hard disagree, I prefer inoffensively boring to characters that are outright irritating. But its not hard to avoid making them outright irritating, its just Owlcat chooses not to do that.

>>725876232
>rushed act 5
No surprise there for an Owlcat game

>>725860239
They need a native english speaking writer to write all their dialogue because there's endless uninteresting filler text the way its being localized from slav.

If they can manage to solve their writing problem they might be able to become the best crpg studio.

>>725860239
Their chars are literal garbage. At least they let you kill them all.

>>725877624
Amiri’s story is the most atrocious crap about women being treated as cattle, and that women can never lead, with her tribe being not just suppressive to women, but out right hostile towards their own women, only for them to join up with a large horde of tribes, that have women ruling left, right and center, which really makes you question her whole story, that she is also an boasting retard just makes her one of the worst characters having to listen to

>>725878891
You're stuck with Linzi for the entire Kingmaker campaign and can't even prevent her from stealing money from the castle treasury for her hobbies.

>>725876306
Literally no one talked about bear sex outside of 4chan and Twitter

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>>725875294
>verticality
Why do you mean by that? Dungeons with levels?

>>725879515
as in you can jump up to and run around in the rafters of a dungeon and shoot down at enemies on the ground floor, or shoulder bash enemies into the spider pit one floor down

>>725879149
>which really makes you question her whole story
Her insecurity makes her lie constantly. So sure. Although I don’t think she is lying about the hunting party trying to get her killed. That said, I can’t think of women in power in the Tiger Lords unless you mean the faceless sisters. And that was them standing behind Armag.

Another fine dev killed by contact with Reddithammer. RIP. I will NOT be buying The Expanse.

>>725879515
in the moon tower you can get on the rafter for instance, exactly that. Dungeons with concurrent levels and not just you climb up and you're in Dungeon floor 2 with no connection

>>725860239
>thoughts
Guys, I had sex with a prostitute without a condom on about two weeks ago and my dick burns when I pee now. Do you think it’s related or just a UTI?

>>725877202
no, that would be nenio

>>725880626
no sorry, Ember takes the shit crown

>>725881290
Ember doesn't have Enigma tied to her personal quest

>>725880003
i can't remember it completely, cause its a long time since i touched the pathfinder turdmaker game, but if i recall you literally meet a barbarian minor leader, who is a woman and a half orc or Aasimar, who comments how the tribes will mix with other tribes for half breeds in order to become stronger by being a genetic melting pot, not to mention when Amiri challenges the barbarian ruler for the crown, he doesn't deny her because she is a woman but accepts the challenge, giving the message that its allowed

>>725881365
no, she makes a mighty demon lord throw away power and become completely redeemed because she cried to her like a 5 year old

>>725880250
Do not worry, starfinder is for you.

>>725881839
Not only that's not what happens, but even if it did, it still nowhere near as bad as Nenio's mere existence
muh lore faggots are truly funny, as if that matters in Pathfinder of all things

>>725874556
you can tell how deranged a person is by where they place yrliet

>>725880486
Could be soap in your urethra

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>>725860239
Why are their character build and respec options always so fucking bad?
>Play Rogue Trader blind
>Kind of fuck up because I didn't realize the system had weird as fuck talents like (Entirely replace Toughness score with Medkit score) or (Replace Medkit score with Weapon Skill which stacks with replacing Toughness score with Medkit score to replace every ability with Weapon Skill and also replacing Strength with Agility if you stack it with replacing Willpower with Perception with Agility)
>Whatever I'll just use the respec option
>Respec won't let you change anything from character creation
>I was a retard for increasing Toughness on a fucking melee character I guess my bad
Like what the fuck, man? So you need to know every fucking available talent in advance before you even make a character. Who the fuck makes abilities like that? Replace every fucking thing with something else halfway through the game, making any investment in other stats completely wasteful. Why not have those available from the start so you have at least some idea of what the fuck you're doing from the beginning?

>>725881710
Oh right. Bolga, I guess she was leading that war/scouting party. Eh. As I said I understand why people aren’t going to like her, but I enjoy meathead barbarian girl with a huge sword.

>>725881839
>>725881935
Nocticula was already on her road to redemption as an inverse of DnD's Zariel, Ember or no Ember

>>725860239
Their games are usually fun, but feel bloated with not enough variance between different paths.

>>725882714
Correction, Nocticula was already on her road to redemption because the Paizo guy that wrote her was a mentally ill coomer. Ironically, the type to pretend that he's a feminist ally that hates sexism and male gaze. It's always those types that are the most degenerate weirdos.

>>725882873
Maybe so, but Ember getting her redeemed in this game isn't really that bizarre considering that

>>725860239
They make good CRPGs. I enjoy complexity and options in builds and they scratch that itch.

I don't like indieslop and I don't like mongols.

>>725864610
Rogue Trader is a significantly more friendly experience if you aren't familiar with CRPGs

Couldn't get into Rogue Trader. The constant leveling just burned me out

>>725882551
All this text just to state you're incapable of reading.

>>725864610
I’m going to go against the grain and say Pillars. And this is even though the Pathfinder character building is more fun once you get to grips with it. But Pillars has a significantly better story if you don’t mind reading a lot. And I personally find Kingmaker’s kingdom management and most of the map travel time mechanics a significant negative even though they give you lots of extra time. If you have any kind of anxiety about timers in games or if inefficient play and wasting time bothers you, kingmaker can feel terrible even when it’s not actually punishing you.

>>725882551
I will never play an owlcat game without toybox

>>725883359
I'm capable of reading. Why do you pretend it should be normal to read and memorize every single feat in the game in advance before creating a character?

>>725880410
In Moon Tower you can jump into the wrong place and completely break the game making it impossible to continue.

>>725874460
Someone please respond with lore facts

>>725884210
Understandable

>>725882551
>underrated post
This is a complaint I've had a hard time describing properly in the past regarding Rogue Trader. I don't think you've described it as succinctly as it could be, but this is actually a cause of friction with Rogue Trader.

Other anons saying you just didn't read enough are either baiting or have just played the game enough to know Owlcat's esoteric homebrew 40k rules well, but to a casual player or a newcomer the entire level up system is unnecessarily convoluted ass with too many options that feel like pitfalls or dud choices.

>>725881839
still better than Enigma