>given the option people will choose to spend the least
Wow no way!?!

>>725931948
My dudes. OLED Deck costs more.

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>>725931948
>Thirties want a high end PC for the price of a Switch 2.
Not going to happen, especially with how shit modern AAA developers are.

>>725932110
>OLED
enjoy your burn in

>>725932110
Portable devices cost more. See laptops.

>>725931948
I would've paid a 1000 dollars if it didnt turn out to be worth 500 dollar in parts (8gb of vram). If Valve doesn't sell it at 500 dollars its literally a scam that you could just make for cheaper

>>725931948
uhh where's the $400-$450 option?

>>725932123
>Steam Machine
>high end PC
Bro, are you high right now?

>>725932110
the screen alone costs a hundred dollars

>>725932123
Its not high end. It IS better than what 70% of Steam players use, though.

If the specs were slightly better, I'd consider it for 1000.
But from what we've seen so far, I don't think I'd buy it even for 800.
People saying they'd buy it for 500 are crazy. It's obviously going to cost way more than that.

>>725932123
Anon, it's not supposed to be high-end, nor is it marketed that way.
It's a consolefag entry point

If SteamOS is a good alternative to Linux and Windows, I'd probably buy it.
If you can still pirate shit on it, then it's a great desktop alternative, too.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what retards learn about it once it's out.

>>725931948

28 votering of peoples is very good scientifca evidences good sar!

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>>725931948
>500 dollars
Delusional. This is a mini-pc with low end PC parts. This is going to cost more than a console.

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>>725931948
What is the GPU equivalent of what is in the cube?

>>725931948
no way it's cheaper than 1000$. It's going to flop so hard.

>>725932742
4060

>>725932182
You're not making that for cheaper. Performance wise you might, but form factor forget it.

>>725931948
If it's $800 for the 2TB model I might get it. A penny more and I'd seriously rather just build my own microITX mini PC build.
At least then I could actually upgrade the GPU down the road if I wanted to unlike this brick.

>>725932742
It's 8GB Vram,so I'm assuming some custom 60's-70's RTX version

>>725931948
If it’s more than 499 it’s going to flop, sorry

the question should have been phrased: "What is the most you would spend on a Steam Machine?"

>>725932839
>>725932973
Not great not terrible. Good for most casual and old-ish gaymes (good games that came out in the last 5 years are just a few and i have a pc for those). So if it can also do a decent job as a PLEX client eventually I will probably pick one up new/used when the price will be around 500.
If it will be possible to pirate games on it that would be great too.

>>725933194
0€ and 0 cents

>>725933194
i spent 800 dollars on a limited edition oled steam deck...so 800 dollars

Unless it's $400 or cheaper, I'd be hard pressed to buy it. I could build a barebones PC for bit over $500 that would perform just as good as it, but I'd actually be able to upgrade it. The only things you'd be able to upgrade in this is the RAM and drives.

>>725933276

>If it will be possible to pirate games on it that would be great too.

I mean, it's just SteamOS, which is just a custom Linux
Don't see why you wouldn't be able to pirate

>Good for most casual and old-ish gaymes

Don't think this thing is marketed to people that already have PC's,think it's more to try and make consolefags finally leave their abusive relationship with consoles

You don't need raw high detail on PC meant for use on a TV that is multiple feet away from your face. Utilizing mobile hardware and upscaling to achieve the same perceived (literal) visual quality, even to people who can normally tell the difference on a monitor (because of the distance of the eyes from the screen), is the perfect way to achieve an affordable high-end like gaming experience on your TV. This product is tailored for this scenario. Why spend more on the product, the energy it will use, and the heat it will generate, when you won't perceive the difference from couch viewing distance? It makes no sense.

This is all possible because of how well upscaling is now when viewed at a distance.

>800$
pig_eating_slop_thumbnail.png

all are ripoffs btw

>>725933194

>>725932375
are people who make fun of indians just actually indians? thats a poll of 28 thousand. Or were you so stupid that you thought they count 0.581 percent of a person.

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>>725933593
I got you senpai

>>725933616
Only an Indian would think using periods over commas is acceptable practice.

>>725933616
>who make fun of indians just actually indians?
yes it's like kinda like troll shielding
>if I call other people indians, they won't suspect ME of being an indian! genius!

>>725931948
I'm more concerned about whether Valve finally manages to expand its supply chain. Thirdies will be all over this shit I'd reckon.

>>725931948
>We looked at the data
>We noticed 70% of people use this specs!
>The only logical conclusion is to make a mini pc with these specs!
>Ok, now we are gonna sell it no one, because 70% of people already own hardware like the one we did and 30% have better.

Is valve fucking retarded?

>>725933854
they already perfected their supply chain with the Steamdeck. Scalpers tried to buy the shit out of it and it literally never went out of stock

>>725932123
Spotted the unironic third worlder

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>>725933513
I never had a Steam Deck because cant justify the price for me so i had no idea if you can pirate on it. It's really damn easy to pirate on quest3 though.
I burnt out I guess and just farm nikke on my 4080s. Which makes me ashamed even more.
I am considering picking up one (512 lcd with tmr sticks) from a friend if he would drop the price to around 200-210. Would that be considered a reasonable price when deck2 is about to drop? I mean to sell it without much loss if I don't like it. Non oleds here usually go used around 290 here
>console
Yeah thats why I want it. I run a 7m hdmi cable to my PC because shield pro cant stream the games properly and stable via 1gb eternet for some fucking reason. Plus my monitor is 2k sdr while tv is 4k oled with surround speakers and I dont think steamlink/moonlight can stream dolby.
Sometimes i just want to hop on my couch and TV, start a game and enjoy it without fiddling with enabling monitors, setting up the main one, moving game window and fucking around with sound output so it works which makes the whole process unnecessarily tedious. The only console exclusives i wanted to play is Demons Souls and Bloodborne. Borrowed a PS5 from a friend for a few weeks for DS and didn't get to even enjoy multilayer mechanics because Sony and Xbox both pretend my country doesnt exist (they used to tell us to select Russia but now Russia is banned and we got fucked by proxy). So double fuck if I ever buy one of their consoles. Even used

>>725934305
Steam Deck is literally just a Linux computer that uses an "immutable-ish" distro. Pirating on it is little different from pirating on Fedora Kinoite or Bazzite.

>>725931948
I was hoping more like $300-$400 desu. For $500 I don't really think it's worth it.

>>725933769
no actually india uses commas as their thousands separator. But even then with the obvious context clues, it would be utterly retarded to assume it counted 28 people and part of a person

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>>725931948
If it sells for $1000 it will be a console killer.

I know the broke autistics cant comprehend that price point with their neet bux and retail salaries but its true.

The main value of a steam console isnt the performance or retail price point, ITS THE STEAM CATALOG and the lower pricing that comes with it.

It has.to be less than an SFX Mid level gaming PC, thats all.

>>725934453
300$ is the price of a rtx 4060. How the fuck would the entire machine be 300$?

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>>725931948
Another anon said it best. The Steam Machine really does seem like some goofy product that's only going to exist because some retarded higher up suit at Valve is demanding it to and making all the retarded decisions in the process. The moment they said they're not planning on selling it at a loss, everybody should have immediately lost interest in it.
There's literally nothing appealing about an already out of date, unupgradable, overpriced prebuilt cube with soldered parts.
If the Steam Machine looks appealing to you then you would infinitely be better off buying an ACTUAL prebuilt miniPC by a reputable company with non soldered parts, because at least then you upgrade it down the line.

The Steam Machine is destined to flop and I bet Valve themselves know it too. You hate to see it.

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>>725931948
$1200 CHAD reporting in

>>725934065
I do not agree with you. I built a semi gaming PC for my GF (thank God i didn't splurge on a gpu and just repaired my rusty but trusty 1070) because all she does is web browsing, 2point hospital and sims 4. A Steam box would be a viable alternative. Or for example my sister in law is in college and only plays indie 2d games on her laptop. A deck or a box would be good christmas gift for her too? If they dont break the bank.

>>725934453
Would make it insanely popular but it'll be $700 and flop.

>>725934452
just say ‘yeah it’s just a computer, you can go into desktop mode’ you fucking autistic linux dork
>LOOK AT ME, I KNOW POPULAR DISTRO NAMES
man stfu

>>725931948
funny since analysts predict it could cost $1k since they're not willing to make a loss
genuinely is better to just build your own, as always

>>725934560
I don't know economies of scale or something I don't give a fuck. They presumably could sell it at a loss to convert console users over to Steam.

>>725934840
the steam deck was sold at a loss and it still wasn't as cheap as some people were hoping it would be.

>>725934840
Shame then that Valve outright said they're not planning on taking a loss for this one.

pc gaming is dead so this wouldn't be bad to own to do stuff at the couch. basically a way to not sit at the desk all the time. i'll wait for a hardware refresh that's more powerful.

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>>725931948
I'm the target demographic.

>>725934597
What exactly do you upgrade in a mini PC? You can upgrade ram, not sure about the ssd in the box. Would be weird if you cant while you can on the deck. If its reasonably priced it would be priced around a ram+cpu+mb+some extra combo which you already buy new every time you upgrade. And I didn't feel the need to do so for almost 8 years. Went from 8700k to 7800x3d just because my old CPU died, not because it was not enough for my games and work. Could have kept my 2080 for a few more years desu but 4080S was releasing and I made myself a a birthday present and gifted the 2080 to brother.

This product isn't aimed at the spendmaxxing consoomer if I understand correctly. It's for the average Joe who doesn't want to spend time and money figuring out the dumpster fire that is modern hardware and just wants to play games that have a "works on the gabebox" checkmark. Although i would prefer that it would be a little more powerful in the vram department.

>>725934597
The appeal is that it's a known quantity. You know the level of quality to expect and you know the level of performance to expect.
99% of people who play PC games don't build their own PC, they buy pre-builts. Pre-builts rarely have any reviews, nobody discusses them despite there being a huge market (due to market saturation with different models) and most of them are irredeemable garbage.

>>725935246
From what I've seen the SSD is very easy to replace and there's room for a full size m.2 drive. I'd go as far as saying the upcharge for the bigger drive is going to be an idiot tax, because it looks like upgrading will take 30 seconds.

>>725932123
>high end PC
How many drugs are you on? name me 10 of them. I know you're on at least 20.
Bitch please Gabecube is as powerful as maybe a 4060, or slightly more powerful than a 1080ti or some shit. How are any of these "high end"??
it's lower end, but good enough for most 1080p gayman

>>725935524
Ai is eating up both ram and ssd chips though. Everything sucks so bad bros

>>725935573
Yeah but if most people are doing just fine at "slightly more powerful than a 1080ti" thats a decade old, why worry about upgradablilty? Just sell it when the new comes out.

>>725932337
>If steamOS is better than Linux
>if you can pirate on it
>calls others retards
lol
LMAO, the irony

>>725931948
YEAH I CANT AFFORD THAT SHIT
I COULD AFFORD MAYBE 500-600 DOLLARS
i hate this economy lol i have 2 win 10 10 seiries pcs i cant fix cuz everyones afraid of ms + intel or works for them
so its basically old consoles my old 750m laptop and ps5
this optiplex can only run osrs botw and whatever games ms doesnt slow down.
shits fucking lame as fuck man
i remember gaming on a 1070 in 2020 and it was great
fuck god for this shit

i guess my only hope if i cant repair is buy a oled steam deck for like 500 or a reg 1 on sale for 320
then grab a steam machine and just not play anything that doesnt run 1080p high settings

>>725935590
I have on good authority from Anons in this very thread that you can have 100gb ram 50gb vram supercomputer with 10tb of storage for 30 or 40 dollars if you buy components on ebay, thoughbiet.

>>725932221
The oled on deck isn't even the best on the market.
A current, okayish 6inch oled has been said to cost around $40 (1440p,120hz).
Yes, its bigger on Deck, but its also only 90hz and 800p.

>>725932110
Portable devices inherently cost more due to the forced downsizing of parts.

>>725932220
if its priced the same as a rx 7600 pc at microcenter it should do well
i wouldnt cuz theyre scamming niggers and they refused to honor my last pcs warranty
both pcs i bought there broke
but anyways
if they want it to do well they should price this thing at 500-600 to 700-800 with all the bell and whistles
at most
if they wanna move like 20m units price it at 450 to 650 lol

i still don’t know why people think this console will make a significant difference in the industry when the steam deck had more of a reason to exist and still only sold like 4 million units. Like no console players are not switching to steambox. there is nothing on steam that can’t already buy on their existing ps5 that they give a fuck about. they don’t give a fuck about mods or $3 deals on 20 year old games

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It won't cost more than 800 but 500 is a bit optimistic

Is everyone here tech illiterate?
All you have to do is make a custom build with similar specs and add 10% and that is going to be the price.
Valve will get the components for cheap because they are using older budget parts anyway and that cost cut will be their profit.
Maybe we get lucky and the GPU/CPU will punch above its weight class and it will be popular enough to become a benchmark for games.

this is a quickly made reference build without case and cooling.

>>725931948
Assuming they have a pre-existing contract for normally-priced RAM, they could offer the 500GB for $450 and at least break even, then price the 2TB for $600 for a modest profit and sell it to people too inept and scared to remove a couple screws. They exist in enormous numbers. I personally know of several people who don't even own a screwdriver.

>>725935246
>What exactly do you upgrade in a mini PC?
Anything you'd want to obviously. Whether or not you actually do is an aside, at least you can if you want to without having to put up the cost of a full PC again like you would if you decided to "upgrade" from the Steam Cube, only needing to upgrade the GPU/etc individually.

With the Steam Cube you can only upgrade the laptop RAM and SSD. It's a shitty PC with 1080p peformance being marketed towards console gamers who want to play on the big screen - which is especially retarded when you consider the standard for TVs is 4k. So the Steam Cube will perform even WORSE for those people. All for the price of an entry level PC. Even the FSR it can utilise is outdated lmao so don't except AI upscaling to magically fix everything.
I understand not wanting to bother with building one yourself, but man I feel sorry for the retards who buy the Steam Cube over prebuilt alternatives.

>>725932230
> 70%
The thing is built on the median specs of all devices reported to Steam. So quite literally it has to be closer to 50% or less.

>>725932238
yeah it would be nice if it was a 4070 equivalent pc for a bit higher
i dunno tho i just want a working pc to play skyrim old cods resident evil etc without dealing with niggersoft

>>725931948
It will compete with the mac mini

>>725931948
>only 8.2% don't want Steam machine
I mean this poll is fucking useless. Even in this thread it's more like 95% who won't be buying Steam machine because YOU HAVE A COMPUTER ALREADY.

>>725935963
>Assuming they have a pre-existing contract
according to Linus who talked to the devs, they don't which is a major factor in why they haven't listed the prices for everything alongside their hardware announcement

>>725931948
I would use this as a living room pc but I really want steam deck 2 so I can play steam in my shed. Even 500 is too much these days. Why not price it the same as the gamecube which was like 300 I think when I was a kid. Would be a good market idea.

>>725936195
Because the GPU alone cost that?

>>725932337
you could buy it and install linux mint cinnamon and pirate everything
also could do that with a random ass 750 prebuilt with a 7600
idk

>>725932337
Just download Bazzite, sister. It's basically SteamOS but better, and you can pirate on it to your hearts content.

>>725935942
Uh... no... anon you have it backwards. If it's mass-produced in a single configuration the price goes down, not up. You should not need this explained to you. Henry Ford, remember him?

At every step along the manufacturing process there's a guy standing there with this hand out demanding to be paid. If you buy every component separately there's literally hundreds of companies involved that all need to profit. If you make your own motherboard you can single-source all the SMDs at a steep volume discount. If you buy the CPU and GPU from the same company you can get a large volume discount. If you design your own chassis you can have a million of them made and pay a few dollars each instead of >$50.

Economies of scale.

Why are people so fucking retarded?

I can't tell who the consolefags are trying to convince not to buy it, themselves or PC users.

>>725935573
>Gabecube
oh, I'm stealin' that

>>725931948
I'd buy it as a novelty if it were 20 bucks. I don't need it otherwise.

>>725936246
But its their first one technically, they need to sell it at a loss no matter anyway to get customers.

>>725931948
400

>>725936349
>If it's mass-produced in a single configuration the price goes down, not up.
this nigga living in lala land
somebody tell him

>sell at a loss to secure customers
>they spend more money on your services and games
>you make the money back + more
sony figured it out years ago

>>725936423
They dont need to do anything.

>>725933194
me personally ?
650 at most
steam deck is already too much at 650 but the oled seems better than the 1 that went on sale for 320

>>725936537
Well duh but the whole point of this is obviously to get a bigger market share of the common people. Not people with monster pcs like me. I would buy it but only for like 300 bucks, its outdated tech already.

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>>725936528
That depends on locking down Playstation so normies can't do anything with the computer that Sony doesn't want them to, and Valve explicitly said it's gonna be a PC where you can change the OS if you want to. Valve isn't going to subsidize anything, but they might be willing to sell at a smaller profit.

>>725934597
no amount of shilling with anime girl pics will keep ms from losing share to this

it can only make sense if they bundle it with permanent -20% price on all steam games

>>725931948
Give it to me for free, I'm a minority (white)

They havent revealed the price yet for a reason, faggot.
That's what companies do all the time when the expected price is much lower than its actually going to be.
Remember that they revealed the deck price immediately after announcing it because they knew it was a good deal.
Which means this one will be 1000$ minimum

>>725936660
They have the biggest market share already.

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>>725933194
It's 6x more powerful than the Steam Deck, so obviously it should cost at least 6 Steam Decks.

>>725931948
It's nit even worth 500

>>725936190
Ah. That's dumb. That's a problem. They should've locked those in by now.

So they can either eat some of the cost and gamble on prices coming down, maybe $500 for a 500GB loss leader that'll instantly go out of stock (headline: "we just can't keep up with demand!") and then the 2TB for $700 that'll come with a controller.

Or they'll have to go to like $600 and $750. It won't be higher than that though unless RAM keeps getting more expensive (it might).

Based on the conversation I remember hearing - them being concerned about it getting bought em masse for non-gaming purposes - the idea of selling the base model at a loss is at least on their mind.

>>725936776
Only for certain types of people like 30 year old men and yeah women. Zoomers can't buy expensive pcs and boomers are lazy and not into tech.

>>725936349
This is the worst case scenario. The thing is not going to cost more than $800 period.
Cost cutting gets eaten up by profit. We just don't know about the CPU/GPU yet nor the custom case and cooling, but Valve is not going to magically turn hardware manufacturer into Samaritans.
We know a deal between AMD and MS fell short because MS couldn't guarantee 10million sales.

>>725934651
if all they do is browse the web and play indie games with no requirements get a cheap ass laptop and put linux on it
i have a win 8 laptop i still use for gaming and its still good for pre 2015 gaming
i think alot of people just overpay or buy hardware they dont need
i noticed it when i bought a 3080 pc and returned it
i got psyoped into it by nvidias bots and marketing
that being said in like 2016 a 70 seiries gpu was worth it but now
like what is there even to play lol
i think rn if i had like a 1080 ti or a 20 seiries gpu and all my pcs worked i wouldnt give a fuck about upgrading

>>725936528
Except a Playstation is closed and charges for online. This is open and valve isnt charging a subscription.

You can buy one of these and never give valve another cent.

>>725936517
Prebuilt PCs using off the shelf components and something like the GameCube are completely different, moron. Pricing on Valve's end is going to be similar to what a console manufacturer would pay.

>>725936909
ps3 didnt require a subscription to use your own internet

>>725932238
The problem is noone wants to pay more than a console to get something with a less capable GPU and 8GBs of VRAM. With those specs they find themselves in an unfortunate position where there isn't really a good market unless it is less than or at most equal to a PS5 in price, but it will certainly be more than that.

They'd have been in a better position to charge a higher price if it was significantly faster than a console (that's pretty old now too). Maybe they'd have been better off targetting the premium market. As it is the comparison to console is too obvious and the apparent value is too poor for both usual console gamers and usual PC gamers

Do this many people not know that mini PCs have existed for many years now? Is this like the people that didn't know about mp3 players before the iPod?

>>725931948
Why do people think it will be priced higher than ps5 when it has cheaper parts?
Is it low IQ?

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>>725935942
You are fucking retarded if you think that Steam Machine or even general console gonna cost the same as a fucking prebuild overpriced Starforge PC.

Google economic of scale you fucking underage retard.

>>725936948
you're right lil bro. it will be cheaper to produce for valve
that doesn't mean it will be cheaper for you as the customer though lmao get real

>>725936963
And it was closed.

>>725936889
That was MS asking for a brand-new custom design at rock-bottom price. This is Valve buying defective old fused-off 7600s missing 4 CUs that AMD probably wants to get rid of.

>>725937059
>Google economic of scale
>Anons posting knows nothing of Economics

Every damn time...

>steamies claim the deck will kill the switch
>switch 2 outsells it in less than a day
>steamies claim the steamyturdbox will kill Sony
>with a console that will come out a year before the ps6, cost as much as a ps6, and be as strong as a ps5
O I am laffin

>>725936864
>Based on the conversation I remember hearing - them being concerned about it getting bought em masse for non-gaming purposes
Yep they definitely saw the footage or Ukrainian soldiers using Steam Decks for warfare and absolutely factored that in to how they're handling the Steam Machine.

>>725937059
Did they slap a 120 noctua rad on it lol

>>725937193
>be as strong as a ps5
they fucking wish. 8gb vram btw

>>725937097
You're right, after they spent a full 48 hours telling like a gorillion journos that they're basing these products on what they learned from their experience with Steam Deck, which remains at any given time one of the highest-grossing items on Steam despite being sold in only 5 countries, they're probably going to try charging a premium for an entry-level device. You know, like they did with the Steam Deck.

They could advertise the cube (satanic?) super hard and sell it at like no profit or even a loss to get "normies" to Steam?

>>725937352
>which remains at any given time one of the highest-grossing items on Steam despite being sold in only 5 countries,
That is a really funny way to say a handheld that only sold like 2 million units lifetime lmfao

>>725937324
16+8GB > 16GB

The 8 gigs of ram thing, maybe they have something up thier sleve. Some type of new fsr and also SteamOS being fine tuned for gaming.

>>725937352
steam deck is a loss leader lil bro. the steam machine however will not be.
simple as

>>725931948
Those who chose the upper prices need to be culled from society.

>>725937059
you are fucking retarded if you think the steam machine is a console. It's literally called a PC by Valve. Valve can't guarantee millions of sales nor optimization for their platform.
That thing will struggle to run MHWilds at 60fps without FSR

>>725936948
I suspect Valve's benefit in terms of scale for what will probably be a relatively niche product they sell on their storefront won't be as big of a factor as it is for Sony. I'd also suggest their present costs might be more immediately impacted by recent economic conditions (notably, RAM prices) than Sony which has an existing stock of consoles
Sure it'll be cheaper to mass-produce this than to buy similar parts from a shop but i don't think it's going to be cheap enough to represent good value

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>>725937453
Individual models of PC are not consoles and aren't needed or expected to sell the same numbers.

If Switch sold 4 million units it would be a catastrophe because that's the only device that plays Switch games. If a PC sells 4 million units it's actually very good because there's a million models of PC.

This is like you trying to dunk on the auto industry by saying Toyota only sold 4 million 2024 Civics.

>>725937324
anon the ps5 has 8gb vram

>>725937150
Says the retard that literally trying to infer the price of a mass produced machine with a general consumer market.

>>725937705
not a big car enthusiast are you?

>>725937505
>New FSR
They are using RDNA3.0, so no state of the art FSR.

>>725937505
what trick? It will have the performance of a PC with a 4060. We already basically know what its performance is going to be across titles.

>>725937738
>Anon still doesn't get it

I can smell the Mutt off of you

>>725935942
It's already confirmed the production cost is around $425.

$600 is an entirely reasonable pricepoint for the base model.

>>725937738
Yes Valve will magically make their computer cheaper than every other PC manufacturer using economic wizardry. Just like their magic optimization will make their underpowered hardware run modern games.

>>725937838
>It's already confirmed the production cost is around $425.
where?

>>725937731
doesn't it have 12?

>>725937731
No. There's a reason 12gb cards are fine and 8gb cards shit the bed.

>>725937748
No, my 2008 shitbox is still going strong.

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>>725931948
I'm not even willing to answer this survey

>>725937915
an rtx 4060 device will perform better than a ps5 or an xbox series x

>>725931948
Anybody know if you're at least able to hook up an external GPU to the Gabecube like a gaming laptop? That would solve most problems I'm reading.

>>725938027
>source: I made it the fuck up

>>725938124
>buy thing
>then spend more money to fix its short comings

Whatever floats your boat.

>>725938027
>those ram prices

>>725938131
They absolutely did not do that. Are you simple? Go watch the fucking video.

>>725937915
Ok Digital Foundry, yep, everyone needs to play AAAslop movie games or else they're not real gamers, mmhmm.

4060 is the most popular GPU on Steam by the way. 8GB and below is more popular than 10GB and above by the way. Neural textures are going to mean VRAM requirements are going to go down in the future, not up by the way.

>>725938074
It won't.

>>725937816
>Performance of a 4060.
It is a worse version of a RX7600, so it is close to a 3060.

>>725938027
>Moore's Law
Fucking idiot. Not official

>>725938187
We didn't know it would get this bad, ram use to be a fucking meme. I got 128 gigs before the big ram crash but it was still crazy.

>>725938190
You seem unfamiliar with MLID. Lucky you.

>>725938352
>UM EXCUSE ME DO YOU HAVE AN *OFFICIAL* SOURCE FOR THAT? IF IT'S NOT OFFICIAL IT'S FAKE NEWS. YES I TRUST THE BBC WITH MY LIFE

>>725938208
Most people being poorfags with shitcan PCs and you not liking vidya that's extremely popular with normies isn't a good argument. You're also delusional if you think system requirements for ANYTHING will be going down in the future. Should they? Probably with good optimization and "neural textures". Will they? Absolutely fucking not you retard.

>this is the average performance of computers on steam
>therefore people that only play Stardew Valley and Minecraft will spend $700 on a new gimped gaming PC
makes a lot of sense

>>725938463
>Production costs is 425 dollars. Someone in Youtube said it
>Does it come from a good source?
>No
>Then it is not good.
>"Hurr durr you know nothing" "A youtuber said so"

>>725938027
retard

>>725938562
Considering the Steam Deck prices he's using are the official numbers, and he then researched and compared the equivalent costs for the SM parts, it's researched enough to be within the realm of what's likely. To disregard it entirely is fucking stupid, it's the only ballpark figure with any actual research behind it.

>>725938527
The truth is people with high end pcs like me won't buy it ethier. It HAS to be sold at a loss because people with no money won't buy it but people with some money won't waste it on this.

>>725938527
>AAAslop movie games are extremely popular with normies!
>studio shutdowns and layoffs on repeat every month because nobody is buying big-budget games
>every breakout success story on Steam in the last decade has been an indie game playable on Deck hardware let alone something 6x more powerful
>global recession ongoing
>mass unemployment
>VALVE NEEDS TO MAKE A PC THAT COSTS $1500 OR ELSE IT'S GOING TO FLOP - anonymous retard

>>725938027
>Epic Game Store shills coming out of the woodwork in response
How much does Tim pay you brown zombies?

>>725938747
>it's the only ballpark figure with any actual research behind it.
It is a damn speculation, so not even a good idea to say "It's already confirmed the production cost is around $425" like >>725937838 says, which is why people are shitting on you.

>>725938225
yes it does because the vast majority of PCs have more than 8gb cpu ram. best you can get on consoles is 18gb of total ram, right? Meanwhile most gaming desktop setupts have 40gb of total ram.

>>725931948
useless piece of technology

>>725934597
Its for tech illiterate poorfags, aka most people. Thats pretty much it. Believe it or not most people still cling on their 1080's which they bought by saving up back then. The second layer is the 3060fags who wanted to buy into 4060-5060's but heard the horror stories. So it'll pretty much a success for anyone with low income.

>>725939026
That post you linked isn't me.

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>>725931948
I have always liked the idea of the Steam Machine, but the Steam Deck succeeded it. I have no idea why Valve are trying once more to take over a dying market. The writing is on the wall with Microsoft and Sony falling behind. People will say the Gabecube is there to be more powerful and capable of higher resolutions when docked to a highres TV than a Deck, but the Deck can output at 720p-900p-1080p just fine in plenty of cases, which is what some Switch 2 games are still targeting (look at Hyrule Warriors).
And some shitposters will say >wah wah 720p in 2025 kek but at the end of the day, that's the console experience. Just being able to play games easily even if they look slightly scuffed in comparison to a $2000 machine.
We've plateau'd in graphical fidelity and now people care more about utility, Switch 2 sales prove this.

I'll pick up the new Steam controller to pretend it's a pro controller for my Deck and probably completely ignore the Steam Machine. I'll maybe consider buying one when they get cheaper or the Steam Machine 2 comes out because I've made the decision to not upgrade my PC anymore since I don't even use my 4070/7800x3d combo anymore.

>>725939102
Then read the thread before posting nonsense.

>>725938778
steam deck isn't sold at a loss, steam machie won't be either. they aren't sony

>>725938531
That's not what they said IIRC, it was something along the lines of "the most popular hardware configuration among Steam users is of similar performance".

In the context of PC what this means is: ~5% Steam users have a PC in this performance category and roughly 85% have something slower, mostly A LOT slower.

>>725938778
It should be sold at a loss but it won't be, so it's dead in the water unfortunately. There's good reasoning for it not being sold at a loss too. Like other anons have said, it's literally just a PC cube so you could theoretically buy it in bulk for a company and never even touch Steam, causing Valve to lose a shitload of money in the process. Damn shame really.

>>725939172
It's not nonsense though, it's the closest we have to a ballpark figure for production costs. I'm calling it, $600. Anything higher and this shit won't sell.

>>725939246
It is nonsense because you are defending the idiot saying "It is confirmed" and not "It is speculated"
600 dollars will still put people at odds.

>>725938531
better than spending 1500 on a new machine to play Minecraft

>>725938747
>researched enough
>custom cpu/gpu
so it is just another profound guess

>>725939174
Probably not a loss loss but definitely no big profit either. The pricing on the Deck is "extremely painful" according to Valve. They want to actually profit off the Gabecube.

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>>725932123
Anon, you could build an equivalent PC for $600 or less. This absolutely should not cost more than $600.

>>725932839
But my 4060 has 16GB VRAM :P

Its gonna be 700 or 800 dollars, people thinking its gonna be 500 are delusional lol. If the price was that attractive they would have used it as a selling point in the reveal

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>>725939174
>steam deck isn't sold at a loss
it was. Stupid retard

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>>725933194
$0
Ill just pirate it

>>725939357
i doubt they want to profit heavily off of anything here, bear in mind valve has effectively infinite money and they don't NEED to turn a profit on any hardware ventures

>>725939378
I want to see anyone of you faggots build an equivalent pc for that price. Have fun with your $30 psu smoking your components within a year

>>725939378
Prove it. Do it right now.
Stupid lying tranime nigger

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>>725939339
>600 dollars
its doa for that price, you can go on partpicker and build PC with the same specs which can be upgraded and its not some low TDP/performance version for $730 even now with insanely overpriced ram

>>725939047
The PS5 's ram is all VRAM that can be allocated as the dev needs, things don't need to be copied from VRAM to system RAM and tge OS5 can use storage as RAM due to hardware decompression.

>>725939663
Tbf, that is 100 dollars more. Could be comparable it is wasn't because some components raised their price recently.

>>725931948
>8,6%
>1/3
HUHH?

>>725939767
Anon, are you illiterate?

>>725931948
>random absurd prices
why the fuck is the point of shit over 800$? it should've been 500 600 700 and 800

>>725939047
>most desktops have 40GB
No they do not. About 40% have 32GB or more RAM. 60% have 24GB or less.

For VRAM, over 60% have 8GB or less. 19% have 12GB, and 7.5% have 16GB.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Game developers do not target the smallest portion of the market unless they want to go out of business. The largest proportion of the gaming audience plays on hardware of Switch 2 class or below.

VRAM requirements are not going to continue increasing. The console war has ended and the world economy is in shambles thanks to IRL war, AI, and mass migration. Hardware performance is going to stagnate for a while, and we will have to learn better ways of using the hardware we have again, like in the good old days. Neural textures for example reduce VRAM requirement of textures by 90%.

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>>725939593
My 4070ti super cost $600 and that's 16gb vram card. This uses specs a gen behind that. Why do you think a PSU is expensive? It just needs to be 125% of what's required, it's not a lot for this tiny 8th gen cube. It's like $75 or less for a perfect functional PSU that'll never give you any issues whatsoever and outlive all your other hardware and be reusable in future builds.

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I'm probably getting the Steam Machine if it's in the ballpark of 600-700 bucks. My PC from 2014 and upgraded in 2017 is serving me well to this day, but I would like something with a little more power and raytracing for 1080p60, and most importantly wouldn't turn into a loud space heater like my current rig.

I'm probably part of Valve's target demographic.
I used to stay up to date on consumer electronics components, but I abandoned it when crypto became a thing and prices went way up. The domain got a lot more toxic in general, and the technical improvements weren't really worth it, especially since most AAA games sucked and continue to suck.

>>725939347
Not a guess. The biggest proportion of the cost is the CPU and GPU and the cost to buy them is not some nuclear secret. The cost of RAM likewise isn't hard to find out. The other things like chassis, storage etc, all public figures.

I independently estimated $450; $425 is perfectly reasonable.

>>725939047
>Meanwhile most gaming desktop setupts have 40gb of total ram.
>40 fucking GIGAROOS
Who the fuck needs all that ram for GAMING?
I would understand it if you were using AI or you needed it for professional level programs and multitasking but... GAMING?
I only have 24gb. Don't need anything more. Never found a worthwhile game that needed more than 16gb.

>>725931948
so then it's $799.99+tip

>>725940072
>and raytracing for 1080p60
Stop being a fcking tard. You dont want gaytracing believe me

>>725940071
>4070ti super cost $600
And you're arguing about building a system for $600

Do you not realize the fucking stupidity of your post.

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>>725931948
$800 buys my PC upgrades.

>>725940442
I don't want RT. But it might become mandatory in the future, like the new Indiana Jones game. Not that I would ever play that game, but it's better to be safe than sorry and all new cards come with RT anyway.

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>>725940491
When you already have a PC you don't *need* to build an entire system over again. You don't get this with the steam cube. And furthermore you *can* build a steam cube equivalent for like $600, as a I said my steam cube price equivalent card is 10th gen to the cubes 8th gen hardware. We're talking like a $250 card here to match it in power, maybe cheaper. Where does the extra $350 of hardware come in?

>>725939441
This doesn't say "sold at a loss" it says "painful". If you look at the components they chose you can tell it was an exercise in extreme cost cutting. Every single thing is just barely good enough to deliver a decent entry-level experience.

People try to overclock it and find that not only is there negligible benefit, the power delivery IC will quickly overheat if you try. It uses a 720P LCD screen, which is so low-resolution that it's by far the most common thing that makes games difficult to play. Game interfaces barely fit and are often illegible. But they couldn't use a better screen even if they wanted to because the GPU can barely drive the resolution they have. The original model's wifi is kinda shitty and they're still fixing bugs with it. There's no variable refresh even though that's like the best possibly feature to put on a handheld. The LCD version's battery life is barely tolerable. They had to use shitty regular thumbsticks that will inevitably drift after a while when though Hall effect and tmr sticks were commonly available. They used LPDDR5 but not LPDDR5X or even particularly fast LPDDR5. They used the world's shittiest thermal paste, which means the fan has to work much harder than it should.

Every aspect of Steam Deck LCD is the minimum viable product. That's what he meant. They've never said it's sold at a loss.

>>725940072
>raytracing
Very few games actually have good RT implementation, even Cyberpunk's PT gives people shadowy evil faces when in scenes that should be well-lit and cinematic.
Still a good thing to have, Switch 2's RT cores made games like Star Wars Outlaws and RE9 possible, even if you think the former is kinda awful.

>>725931948
>trannycube
pass

>>725939663
>$730
Also I have used that specific heat sink and it's not capable of keeping even a 45W CPU from overheating just playing a youtube video.

>>725932917
What's the point of it being a tiny box when it's going to be accompanying a big monitor, though?

>>725935745
The deck one is 1000 nits which is far from basic

>>725940952
>I build my own PC, why would I buy a prebuilt? Valve is trying to rip me off like they ripped off the Artifact fanbase.
"I don't need this product and therefore nobody needs this product"-kun, how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?

>>725936110
>YOU HAVE A COMPUTER ALREADY
Most of /v/ is phoneposters with shittops.

>>725940952
>you can build a $600
>getting back to the original argument without proving anything
ok retard

>nvidiashit does 8GB
Please rape my face

>AMDshit does 8GB
Literally worse than Hitler

Why is /v/ like this?

>>725941247
>why should I wear underwear if I'm going to wear pants on top?
>why should I have seats in my car if the car is so big anyway?
>what's the point of the earth being small if the sun is so huge?
>what's the deal with airplane food?

>>725931948
800 is simply too expensive.
might as well buy pc parts to upgrade your rig to perform better than the steam machine for that price

>>725941942
Try and build a better performing pc with 800. Go ahead and try . And don't skimp on certain components because "i'll just use my old ones, lel"

>>725931948
If they sell it for $500, Sony and Xbox are in big trouble.

>>725941942
If your PC is so shit that the steam machine out performs it, you were never the target audience for it.
It’s a product for existing PC users, like the steam deck. Where the deck is about portability, the machine is intended primarily for usage with TVs. That’s it. It’s an extension of an existing PC ecosystem, not an introduction.

>>725931948
I wouldn't even pay $500 because I can build a better PC for that money or a PC with equivalent specs for the same price. The only market for this are the weirdos who try to game on mini PCs.

>>725932221
$200 chinkhelds have OLED screens nowadays.

>>725942184
$500 + i'll just use my old ones, lel = x2 the power of steam kek machine

>>725931948
what kind of cuck would buy a the gabecube at $800? Are people this bad with their money?

>>725942184
Actually, you can.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tyjdKq
And this is better than the Steam machine because the GPU is an undervolted worse version of RX7600 with less CU.

>>725942519
Thanks for the non argument nigger
Why not just steal a prebuilt if that's what you're arguing? 100% discount!

>>725931948
Will you pay 500 $ or 800 $ is a stupid question.

>>725932742
something like RX 7600M seems like

>>725942275
>It’s a product for existing PC users
>the machine is intended primarily for usage with TVs
so you're asking $800 for an HDMI cable that runs your games worse?

Yeah I'll buy it because it looks nice

~~~~
sent from my 7800X3D+RTX4080

>>725942275
>-It’s a product for existing PC users, like the steam deck. Where the deck is about portability, the machine is intended primarily for usage with TVs. That’s it. It’s an extension of an existing PC ecosystem, not an introduction.

You couldn't be more fucking wrong. If I want to play PC on my TV do you know what I do? I connect them via HDMI
THAT'S IT

Like, imagine, I have a $5000 build. I want to play it on TV now. What the fuck do I do?

A) Connect it to the TV via HDMI
B) Stream it via steam link app (it works great unc___, try it yourself)
C) Buy an entire separate hardware that plays games shitloads worse than the PC that I already have

Seriously, why the hell would I buy this shit over just fucking streaming it? The steam machine's only appeal is to give poorfag retards a way to get to PC gaming. I have 0 reason to buy one. I would have had shitloads of reasons to buy one before I had built my PC

>>725932006
>not a single anon called this retard out for not understanding how polls can be used

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>>725932839
>4060
It is clearly a worse RX7600 or a RX7400.
Definitely not 4060 level.

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>>725943136
Holy fucking based

Imagine being a fanboy for a company that only runs a DRM storefront

>>725943397
But enough about nintendo
>b-b-b-but they also sell DRM machines with a DRM OS!!!
Well, Valve is going to do the same too, except with a DRMless OS

>>725943221
Looks like something between a rtx2060S or a rtx3060

>>725943514
>N-Nintendo does it too!
I haven't owned a Nintendo console since SNES but at least they make games

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>>725931948
Pic related costs $480 and beats the steam machine is most specs except for the gpu.
>8/16 cpu instead of 6/12, also boosts to a slightly higher clock speed
>24gb of ddr5 ram instead of 16 for the cheapest model
>1tb of ram for the cheapest model
>but the graphics are integrated
With that in mind, I think a $500 price point is not an unreasonable expectation for the steam machine.

>>725943713
>but at least they make games
No, they buy studios like EA does and have them make the games for them. Actual Nintendo games take forever to come out now, just look at the number of Zelda games that there were in the past decade
Valve made artifact, Alyx and Deadlock recently. Even if you hate the games, even if you laugh at the fact that I mentioned Artishart, it doesn't change the fact that they did make some games.

>>725931948
it's a valve branded nuc
why are you loosing your minds over this?

>>725931948
$499 is a reasonable price for it

>>725943972
>Buy studios like EA.
As much as I would like to shit Nintendo for their practices, the number of companies owned by Nintendo for game development can be counted with your hands.

>>725931948

This poll is retarded. Why the fuck does it jump from 500 straight to 800? That's an insane jump in price in one step.

>>725932110
The deck has lots more components, an oled screen and a lithium battery cost a pretty penny even if you're bulk buying them, plus they have to downsize the components so that also adds to the cost.

>>725944504
>the number of companies owned by Nintendo for game development can be counted with your hands.
Which also matches the numbers of nintendo exclusive IPs

>>725931948
Why would anyone buy this??

>>725936894
Buying a laptop for gaming is not something I will ever do.
Games I played recently or enjoy: silksong, bf6, stellar blyat, civ6, ck2 and ck3, cyberslop(cant finish it due to boredom), death stranding, witch noberta, it takes two, vtol vr, demeo, hunniepop.
I think only a few of these aren't playable on the box. But yeah, i agree with your statemen. 2080 was getting a bit slow for the aaa slop at 4k, but then again, I absolutely refuse modern aaa slop and was honestly trying to give cyberpunk a shot. It was so ass

>>725944619
With each IP getting different type of games per IP. Shit Nintendo for how they treat their fanboys or something objetive.

>>725932973
Depending on how much it costs, if it's around 700$, which is the most probable scenario, it's most probably a 5060 level amd gpu, if it costs less it most probably doesn't even reach 60 level performance.
I'd wager that they're using the newer gpu cores so it would have fsr4 which will greatly improve quality with it at the supposed 4k it supports.

500-600 and I'll preorder ASAP

>>725944734
Secondary pc

>>725944819
>5060 level GPU
Anon, they already told you their GPU specs
Look at >>725943221

At 500 it seems like a good deal, at 800 you may as well spend a bit more and get a much more powerful desktop, I don't get it at all.

>>725944916
That cost more than a pc?

i already got a pc...
if i had more disposable income id purchase it at any price
but right now my only definite purchase will be the controller because im looking for a nice one to use on pc and my ps3 controller will die someday so i need a good backup that wont get stick drift

>>725944989
anon a midrange pc costs almost 2k

>a mid range PC
>under $600
>running SteamOS
Yes I will be buying

>>725940205
That build cost though not sale price, I haven't see a 256gb Steam Deck for under $400 usd and the launch price was $529 usd. So add 129-150 dollars to that and with the cost of RAM going up I can't see it being cheaper than $550 and probably closer to $600.

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>>725945295
A prebuilt 4060 PC costs 800 dollars. I would change the CPU, but it still works.
And we know that a 4060 is better than the AMD GPU the Steam one has

> Nintendo switch got popular by being $400
Why does Valve think they can charge more than that? People don't actually have a lot of cash to drop on shitty hobbies.

>>725945448
>running SteamOS
Don't have a steamdeck, How robust is SteamOS?
Is it just Steam, internet explorer, and streaming apps?

>>725943221
It's a 7400 but overclocked, the 7400 has 1100MHZ clock, while this one is 2450MHZ, so it's probably around 7600 or slightly better thanks to the higher clocks.

>>725945757
>4060
>midrange

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>>725943397

>>725946178
Because unfortunately the price of the components increased. Even the outdated ones.

>>725946206
Its Linux that loads into their big picture mode or whatever they call it.

>>725946214
The 7600 uses 165 watts and can run at 2250mhz or 2600 when overclocked.
It is not on a 7600 level.

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>>725931948
Read in an article yesterday that „we could be happy if it’s under $1000“

Who the fuck buys this (besides dumb brand loyalists ofc) ?

>>725946289
case in point

>>725946275
That is the thing the Steam pc has to beat in price points.

>>725946528
Valve cultists who don't realize they haven't released a new game in 5 years because they were focusing on these pieces of shit.

>>725931948
What a stupid post.

>>725944734
1. you're a consolefag who can't into PC gaming, and need a hassle-free pre-built
2. you're a casual PCfag who games on your mom's laptop and wants to upgrade

>>725931948
Is this more powerful than a Deck? I might get one as a second PC if the price is reasonable. I like the small form factor.

>>725947001
6x more powerful

>>725947001
6x as powerful according to valve

>>725947001
6x the price

>>725946528
You have to be kidding. At that point I think you can even buy a 5060 PC

>>725931948
It'll cost $600 so the Steam Deck 2 can cost $500-$550.

>>725947284
>>725947286
>6x more powerful
>weaker than a ps5
so is the steamdeck just weak as shit?

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>>725931948
I'm going to buy it just to spend some money

>>725947553
'eck 2 is at least another 3 years away

I'd give my life to lord Gaben, I will be purchasing this so my hero can live comfortably on his megayacht

>>725947625
It's as powerful as the PS5 pro. The standart has no chance.

>>725940952
The rest of the fucking system

Uh huh, tell me how many parts you can reuse from your 2015 or 2016 PC to match this.

And no, you can't build a steam cube equivalent NEW for $600

>>725947637
You could give some to me...

>>725943157
>You couldn’t be more wrong.
>*describes anecdotal reasons why he wouldn’t use it that way*
It’s not a real competitive product retard. If it was, all the marketing for it wouldn’t be exclusively on steam, and it wouldn’t be exclusively sold on a digital storefront you would innately have a gaming PC to actively use.
It’s a tool designed for casual usage with a TV so you can have a dedicated box. That’s it. No moving your PC, no hooking up your deck or laptop, no streaming, just a box. That’s the sole reason. It’s a convenience box, not a reasonable box. A luxury for those who want something small and compact to put next to a TV.

>>725948160
It's funny that in the world of consoles "powerful" means a 300W (external kek) power brick and one 120mm fan for cooling.

Valvefags are worse than Sonybros. They'll buy at any pricepoint. They're the Apple fanboys of gaming.

>>725948160
Fuck no it isn't

A rx 7600 is nowhere near an rx 6800.

>>725943972
>they buy studios like EA does and have them make the games for them
Literally describing Valve's MO. Left 4 Dead and Portal 2 were the result of this behavior.

>steam deck flops
>Valve: let's do it again

Use different pricing models depending on the customer. If they have an active, valuable Steam account, sell it at a loss. If they're a new customer, mark it up and bundle it with Half-Life 2 + expansions, Portal, and something else.

>>725949283
5 million for hardware sold only on one storefront and not advertised beyond that storefront is pretty good.

>>725943968
>except for the one thing that is important for gaming
maybe next time your argument makes sense.
Integrated GPUs are absolutely horrible. I supposed most people here don't know that it means that the gpu shares the cache and ram with the cpu

>>725939105
This, I'm interested in the Zen 6/RDNA 5 Steam Deck 2 over this. I'm just laughing that Valve made Snoys and Xbots shit their pants.

>>725949542
Outsold by switch 2 on lauch btw

>>725947674
I know, but this is prep for it

>>725949572
Yeah but since the other parts are downgraded that will probably leave them with enough cash for the gpu

>>725949787
Switch 2
>heavily advertised everywhere
>sold in every mainstream store
>produced millions of units with the expectation to sell millions of units
Deck
>advertised only on steam
>sold only on steam
>produced about 50,000 units with the expectation of maybe selling all of them by the end of the year

I was hoping the deck would go on sale when this was announced

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>>725948458
Oops money is gone...

>>725931948
If they aren't putting their money on the line they can say whatever they want. Give them all preorders and the answers would change dramatically.

>>725950052
Just buy a used one that is barely used by the owner. And so you can sell it after you barely use it

>>725934456
>no actually india uses
stopped reading there
your post smells like shit

they told its as powerful as 6 decks
you guys are fucking retarded if you think they're selling it for less than 1500 dollars

>>725938463
nigga, you got there almost 200 for cpu+gpu
wheres your brain at? use it

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>>725949572
>Integrated GPUs are absolutely horrible.
Guys, we've unearthed a boomer with outdated PC knowledge, at least five years behind.
Just look at him go!

>>725949283
The idea is different this time, apparently.
The objective is to "sell" PC gaming stations with Steam on it, a system that is apparently better than what 70% of steam users have.
Now the only question is if people will play the game or not.

>>725943968
Do you have any idea how much weaker that shit is? It's also 45W total for GPU/CPU, assuming the cooling solution is capable of handling sustained 45W loads. The Valve cube has 130W (or perhaps even more with boost).
>boosts higher
Yeah, good luck with that when both GPU and CPU have a load on them. You're trying to run 8 CPU cores and a GPU in a 45W budget.

>>725943397
so i take it that you don't play games at all?

>>725955194
>if you don't think Steam is God's gift to gaming you don't play games
another Valve cultist

>>725955287
then what do you play on?
literally all you can do by your own account is a tiny section of gog games that are purely singleplayer

Build a good gaming PC and just stream the game on your phone if you need to play while on the couch or bed.
Stop supporting consoles/handhelds that are overpriced and unnecessary

>>725957041
streaming fucking sucks, i tried using moonlight and sunshine and the latency was unbearable over my home's wifi 6 and i was just looking at my phone while using mouse and keyboard

suckered into forced hate. I need a living room pc that doesn't require a mini keyboard/mouse just for logging in and mousing over to my game. docking with steamdeck blows, and steamOS is available yet. no I wont have steam open in big picture mode on start up. Steam machine is a device with a real use case compared to a switch 2, ps5, or ps portal.

I really don't understand the market for the steam cube
>worse than consoles
>apparently more expensive
>just as many performance issues as any PC
>not portable
Who is it actually aimed at? The only downside of consoles is you pay out the ass on playstation store.

>>725958084
There is a tendie crowd that will buy such shit no matter what

>>725958084
console refugees
it's made to be as easy to use as one while still letting you delve into a desktop environment that's retardproofed with steamos's immutability

>>725958315
>refugees
Refugees from what? Unless it's 500 euro it's not offering them anything.

>>725958560
freedom from consoles
literally the whole point of owning them was exclusives and ease of use

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>of the amount of people who answer surveys
I love when people think polling data is accurate.
Can't remember the last time I took a survey like this.

>>725958084
>The only downside
lol
lmao even

>>725958808
Steam hardware survey is automatic as long as you click yes but it's 40% eastern europ and poor countries playing dota 2 and counter strike.

>>725958787
Which they will still have. Steam machine is absolutely not going to get highly optimized performance modes like playstation gets.

>>725935996
Steam stats include a ton of different motherboard GPUs and stuff like that, just removing the least and most used results will not be enough, you need to curate the results more.

>>725931948
>duurr do you want product for less money?? lol
no shit every one is going to vote for the lowest option

>>725931948
Just buy a better graphics card for your PC instead of buying the Steam Machine if you want a better system.

>>725959581
>highly optimized performance modes like playstation gets.
those aren't even a thing dumbass, it's all x86 hardware, any optimisations to one would apply to the other
playstation runs upscaling and lower settings
just like the gabecube will but it has better upscaling

>>725958084
>worse than consoles
Nothing is worse than consoles even a decade old shitbox is better than the current gen consoles by the virtue of not being a fucking console.

>>725960809
>those aren't even a thing dumbass, i
They are. It usually means doing major cutbacks in performance though. It's like running a pc game in ultra low but they put slightly more effort into making it look nice.

>>725934521
Anon anyone who has $1000 sitting around already bought a relatively high end PC.

>>725937883
Every other prebuilt retailer sells their PCs for massive margins. Valve would sell it for a small or negative margin because they get follow up money from the games themselves.

>>725940952
>Anon finds out he isnt the target demographic for this product
Its for people who have no PC at all.

Everyone knows you can build one (or even prebuilt possibly) for less dumbasses. But you're paying extra for
>Form factor (Minis of that size cost way more)
>Brand recognition/warranty
>Custom OS

>>725942553
6000 memory for 7 series AMD CPU, non-negotiable.

>>725962302
The form factor is actually nice but it's competing with the steam deck there and the deck is actually portable.

>>725943968
>except for the gpu
Oh boy, well at least it beats it on the PSU front or some stupid shit like that yeehaw!

>>725953917
>iGPUs are good now because they can run Crysis these days

>>725931948
It's gonna cost like $1000+ and everyone will just buy a PS6 instead