>"I protect the weak">"Hurrr but those people you're killing are also weak you hypocrite">"You should try fighting for something you truly believe in, Jack">"You're right, I actually fight because I like killing"Is it just me or the game contradicts itself with what it preaches? Sure, Raiden is a bit naïve about protecting the weak because the game keeps showing that the so-called "weak" actually want violence just as much as the bad guys. But it's still Raiden's own reason to fight. His superiors tell him not to do it, and he still does. So why is it wrong and why does he need to change and accept that he's just a bloodthirsty fightfag?
that's what you get for falling for the hype over a meme soundtrack
>>725946740You miss the point that the ending of the game never was made to be a good ending. listen to what the support characters talk about when watching the news.Raiden maybe like fighting in his subconscious but he also doesn't like that part of him, and it's why he go to fight against the world, because he hate how it creates people like him, often willingly, to hurt innocents.Ironically, he's doing similar to what Solidus did when he realized that his life was ruined by the world. though Raiden isn't as vain or evil of a person as Solidus. He still is a good person despite all, thanks to Solid Snake and everyone who helped him. But since Konami are slowpokes we still don't have a darn sequel
>>725946740pretty sure that the point of it all is that war is both meaningless and inevitable
>>725946740Well 1, so that they can add the devil trigger you get before fighting monsoon. But 2, he doesn’t go to Denver becomes he loves killing, loving killing is just how he gets out of bed in the morning to do a job that mostly consists of killing people. He went to Denver because he wants to stop Desperado from hurting more children.
>>725946740Part of the story is how Raiden comes to accept that there is no salvation for him from his violent nature, but understanding that he doesn't have to despair and can instead use his power for good. He was born in war, raised as a soldier, has been fighting and killing his entire life. After the patriots, he foolishly believed he could put it aside and live as a family man, even though he had literally turned his entire body into a machine made for killing. He stops deluding himself and embraces the fact he will always be a killer, he will never escape war, in fact he admits that he belongs in it. But he also reaffirms his faith in himself and his righteousness. Raiden no longer doubts what he is fighting for and has fully accepted the fact that he is killing people and destroying lives, but is doing it to stop evil wherever he finds it and to protect the weak.What he does by assaulting World Marshall, shutting down a city and killing an entire megacorporation by himself, is absolutely a malicious thing. But Raiden does that because it means others won't have to become like him in the future, saving children from being raised the same way he was. He is Jack the Ripper and will remain that way to ensure there will be no more Jack the Rippers.
>>725948783>You miss the point that the ending of the game never was made to be a good endingBut it is? Raiden saves the kids and prevents a war, the only catch is that he doesn't end up saving as many people as he wanted.
>>725949043>Love fighting despite hating war and what it does to the world (the cobra get their name from the emotion in battle, she is "The Joy")>Want the world to go completely change and end the old system>Father died due to the system in chargeRaiden is becoming the new version of The Boss.Wait, does that mean Sunny is going to kill him? Just like The Boss and Snake? Will the cycle continues?
>>725949585The support crews says that world marshal are not even being destroyed and the entire world pretty much ignored the whole thing, only returning the things to the status quo.There's some little wins but it's mostly bad. If the world doesn't change, this will continue to happen. Which is probably why Raiden says he has his "own war to fight", Raiden also is probably considered a wanted criminal for his actions.
>>725946740why do u even play metal gear rising?Play actually good games, like metal gear solid
If Platinum Games worked on that mini game in the remake, there's no way something with Rising isn't at least in pre-production.The 40th anniversary is happening in less than 2 years, might be announced there
The point is Raiden reconciling his primal urge to do violence with his moral compulsion to do good. At the begining of the game, he thinks he wants to just be a normal person, but eventually accepts that that's just what he wanted to want. However, because he is still a good person, he doesn't allow his compulsions to drive him to amorality, but just brutality in pursuit of justice. It's a similar story to Hurt Locker.Where the game DID drop the ball was Armstrong, who spent hid entire life building up the institutions he claims to hate and want to bring down, and this is apparently literally true. It should have been made clear that when Armstrong was befriending Raiden before the proper boss fight, he was just telling Raiden what he wanted to hear, something Raiden would realize based on his interaction with the other Winds of Destruction (who all bad completely different and even incompatible ideas about why they were fighting and what their goal even was) and concluded that Armstrong was just trying to use him, prompting rejection and the start of the proper boss fight.
I wonder if Rising will be in the second MGS collection or if they will release a remaster on it's own later. Like what Platinum did with Bayonetta 2 and the Switch port before working on Bayonetta 3. That one had some extra content too. I don't know what extra could Rising get though...
>>725948156Doughteruwife
>>725951369Giving Sam and Wolf their own skins would be piss easySam :>Desperado outfit>2011 trailer outfitWolf :>Maverick outfit>Original Rising outfitHell, have them playable in all modes, or have co-op with all characters. Maybe have a new DLC episode though I don't know which character would benefit that.
If the timeskip in a Rising 2 is big enough, Sunny is going to be the Yakumo/Nero of the game.>Mother is Olga, a top tier soldier and also a cyborg ninja>Adoptive father is Otacon, a genius>second adoptive father is Solid Snake, one of the strongest soldiers ever>Adoptive brother is Raiden, who saved her life, an extremely strong fighter>has a robot cyborg dog who is super strong as a pet>Has a super brain due to the Patriot experimentationSunny is DESTINED to kick people ass, both genetically and ideologically. She also knows about Raiden's suffering more than most people and directly saw the fight against Armstrong.Who else could fit this anyway? I can't see a new main character being created, and the kid Raiden saved would make fan as outraged as Raiden replacing Snake in MGS2 because he was a meme in the first game.
>>725951647doesn't get enough attention
You guys talking about Sunny?
>>725954798SOURCE
>>725954392well yeah, she looked like she had downs in mgs4
>>725946740It does undermine Jack's character as well as his arc from previous games. He essentially turns into Sam's slave at the end, doing his bidding, exchanging his memes (sword) for Sam's, abandoning his family to become a ronin cowboy vigilante like Sam was before meeting Armstrong. Jack basically ends up being Sam's bitch
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>>725956042well i don't care about the mgs4 version either
>>725946740The story is completely stupid and every new game with Raiden after 2 contradicts his previous story anyway, so don't worry about it. It doesn't matter.
>>725949530>>725950498That reads like an edgier, stupider version of Snake's arc from MGS1-2
>>725946740Raiden explicitly was lying to himself in MGR about fighting to protect the weak and it was demonstrable as far back as MGS4. Raiden's entire character has consistently been coping with the fact he was raised as a violent killer and all the wires in his brain are crossed specifically to enjoy and focus on killing and every time he seeks out a peaceful "mundane" life he relapses because it's not who he's meant for. MGR is specifically about him accepting that he can't undo the trauma and needs to live with it instead of pretending it's not there (the solution he kept falling into across before MGS2, during MGS2, and during MGS4). The entire plot about MGR is specifically about PTSD from war/strife and showing how people deal with it (or fail to). Some people become unrepentant nymphomaniacs, embrace it maliciously, or try to find some kind of higher meaning. Raiden literally beats it into the player's head during a codec call where he says "I can pass as normal from a distance, but up close anyone can tell it's artificial skin." And if even that somehow went over heads, the Bladewolf DLC literally has a quad amputee who shoved his nugget torso into a walking tank who'se theme song is about dehumanizing himself to be a mechanism for killing without any recognition, respect, or appreciation.Raiden's breakthrough is recognizing what's wrong with him and deciding to find what the best way to deal with it is - he can't live in normal society no matter what method he tries, so he opts to give it up for doing what he can do best to protect people from ending up like him. It's not a "good" ending but it's the best a person in a fantastical scenario such as his can do. Frankly, MGR addresses a real topic and does it better than Kojima did with any of the Solid titles, even if done in a very embellished fashion.
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>>725957623Be nice if you could admit it totally shits on Raiden's previous arc before gaping at Rising's cartoonish pantomime
>>725957623I agree with that last part a lot. Etsu Tamari is a far better writer than Kojima.
>>725957173Raiden's always lived a more exaggerated, dark version of Snake's life. Snake was genetically crafted to be a perfect soldier with a budget and government that could at least let him develop "normally" (as normally as an autistic soldier can get). Raiden was a minority in an African shithole who was recruited by a psychopath and had his skills forcibly drilled into his head and fundamentally turned into a worse person before he even had a chance to live as a person at all. Tamari just took it to the logical extreme: Snake's chances of normality added up and allowed him to finally retire, Raiden's constant instability added up and resulted in him giving into the only thing he knows how to reliably do.
>>725958209i would argue Raiden was more like Gray Fox and Snake was trying to save him. child soldier, he even had the lightsaber. MGS4's existence and then leading to MGR kind of gets in the way of that but at least MGS4 let you know Raiden could try to be his own man for once at the very end. MGR turns Raiden into Sam's man instead which is the polar opposite of what Snake wanted for him to begin with
>>725958039>it totally shits on Raiden's previous arcYou mean the arc he went through multiple times? Every game Raiden is in iterates on the same point that he can't live a quiet normal life because he was built from the ground up to be a feral killer. This is not stated in any sort of misleading or ambiguous fashion, it is in your face as early as the endgame of MGS2. MGS4 reiterates on that, and MGR is him finally breaking the cycle by recognizing he can't keep lying to himself and hurting the others around him. You do realize not every character gets to have a gumdrops and roses happy ending, right? Sometimes their best outcome is bittersweet at best. Raiden's finally able to live comfortably without putting those he cares for at risk, and protect people all at the same time, to the best capacity he can be as a killing machine.
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>>725958662I'm well aware of the abortion of an arc he went through off screen between MGS2 and MGS4, which set the wheels in motion. Rising was a pessimistic extrapolation to the point of making "Jack the Ripper" a sneering, cackling evil cartoon character, borderline alter ego. I'm not convinced with the premise Rising setup as it picks up years after where MGS4 left off. All of that was for nothing.
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>>725958662MGR literally ended with Raiden picking up Sam's memes and therefore not ending the cycle, but perpetuating it.
>>725958209Yeah, but wasn't the whole point of 2 that he needs to be his own man, instead of recycle Snake and Gray Fox story arcs over and over.
>>725958924>All of that was for nothing.Do you think the guy whose entire existence is to be a gun for other people is going to have some saccharine sweet ending where he gets to set up a lawn with a white picket fence living with Rose and Jack? Even MGS2 showed he was prone to relapses given he lived a completely mundane life complete with constant therapy for him and the rest of the SBU prior to being recruited by the Patriots. MGS2 even went into repeat detail mentioning he was never able to recover fully from his PTSD, having intense nightmares over it (further exacerbated by the nanomachines in his brain). The warnings were there from early on, he was never going to have a comfortable, quiet life like Snake.
>>725949936>why do u even play metal gear rising?MEMES, JACK!
>>725959220Yes. And the fact that the arc was recycled not once but twice turns a big part of Snake's own arcs throughout the games into a circus
>>725959323We're not talking about Frank Jaeger here. Yes, I think Raiden could have had a decent ending and be digestible. That was the desperate point about Raiden's character in the first place. Had the game ended with Raiden telling Sam to go fuck himself instead of becoming him, I would look on it more favorably
>>725958662His arc in 2 definitely isn't about trying to live a normal life. Even in 4 it's not really about that so much as it is finding a reason to live at all since he's been fucked so bad. The thing you are talking about is more Snake's arc.Has Raiden ever gotten a fair try at being normal? i guess in between 2 and 4 he could've but for most of his life he was either a slave of the Patriots of a literal cyborg death machine who I always assumed was reliant on scientists and other support to stay alive.
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>>725960205Oh my godIs that
>>725946740rules for thee...
>>725960205satanic advertiser sama get down!
>>725946740did you actually play the game or did you just watch clips of it on youtube?
dodge on X+A is so dumb
>>725946740raiden's character has been dogshit in everything past 2, they couldn't commit
>>725946740https://youtu.be/8o6t9NQmSuA?si=QheTr5R_txLQG3Dc
>>725962380Yes
>>725962380No
>>725962380Maybe
So, what do you think?
>>725946740Because its actually GoodBecome the GREATEST, feel the SWEAT of battle,the heavy drums of rock and heartbeats, and let the RULES OF NATURE guide you!!!
>>725969173Funny.
>>725969672this and unironically
>>725946740It's mostly about him accepting that things aren't as black and white as he thought, but still choosing to do what he thinks is right regardless
>>725948783Never thought I'd see someone admit Solidus was evil on /v/
>>725970450nta but you can do things that are both evil and good in their own ways
>>725949845>>725949585>>725948783It's a case that the corrupt status quo is a lot better than what Armstrong wanted, which would result in millions, if not billions dying and the general quality of life being worse for everyone but the few elites at the top with no social contracts to hold them back.
>>725946740What game did you play? He accepts his own bloodthirsty nature and love for violence, he doesn't accept that it's his reason for fighting. Also, the game doesn't preach shit. It brings up arguments like 'might makes right' and reiterates obvious facts like violence being a means to an end, it at no point shoves an ideology down your throat
>>725972284utilitarian social darwinism is by definition an ideology
>>725972689So because Armstrong pushes it the game does?
