Do you guys actually believe this thing will take off?
>>725952447a couple of mil sales at best
No.I don't think they expect it to, either.
Off topic question, But is touchpad more accurate aim than joysticks?
>>725952447probably since you guys are giving it plenty of free advertising by seething over it
>>725952447I'm buying one each for myself and like 6 other people. Gabe's business model isn't based on selling hardware, its about getting more people plugged into the Steam ecosystem.
No I'd rather have Xbox 5
>>725952447Depends on price. Even if bad I think it will still do better than steam deck.
with hl3 yes absolutely
>>725952447they can fly now?
No, normies won't buy it, and there is not that many of us to make up for the market, still i just want the controller
Its a pre-built PC, it doesn't need to "take off" because the userbase already exists, same as the Steam Deck. Valve is playing the long game and slowly eating into Microsoft's PC share, this is literally all just a ploy to get more people off Microsoft's platform
>>725952447That depends, it needs a flagship game if its going to take any market share away from Snoy and Xcuck, but if it launches with a massive steam sale promoting games for it, it could work.
>>725952447Who cares? I'm getting it just for myself. Valve isn't mass marketing their products through retail. It's for existing steam users who wants a complementary box under the TV.
>>725952662yes but trackpads suck at joystick tasks, so it has both
>>725952447Nope. I don't know why Valve keeps trying. SteamOS, that's interesting. This hardware stuff is not.
>>725953249Pretty much this. Product for people who are already valve customers and want to extend their steam experience to living room without having rely on steam link streaming. Now you can steam in the office with you pc, in your living room with steam machine and on a toiler with steam deck
>>725952447just the fact that you dont need to pay a membership to play online give it an edge.
>>725952447It depends mostly on the price.The steamdeck found a small niche for itself.This thing could do the same if they don't get greedy with high prices.If this thing gets too expensive it will go the same way as the first one.Most people need to save money nowadays anyway
>>725954161genuinely why is this stupid fucking retarded shit even a thing stillmakes me seethe so badis it just because they know console players wont go anywhere else so they can nickel & dime everyone? perhaps because they sell consoles at a loss so they need to make their money back using jewish tactics?
>>725952447it'll be successful but not groundbreaking the way the PC Masterrace crowd wants it to be.Valve is limited alone by the fact that they don't really advertise and don't sell in most of the world which by default will prevent a big number of sales.
>>725954614are aussiecucks really going to have to wait more than 2 and a half years for these again?
>>725952447The reason Steam Deck sold more than expected is due to its very low price in a market where chink gaming handheld PCs started at $700. The reason Steam Deck didn't sell as much as famously flopped consoles is because Valve didn't do any normie-targeted advertising or worked with any third-party retailer to push the hardware into consumers that aren't terminally online. Supply did constrain Deck's initial growth but only temporarily.So for the Steam Machine to take off they'll need an extremely competitive price to the point it turns all gaming miniPCs obsolete, and actually working with normie-targeted retailers, so that I can enter my local electronics store and pick it from the shelf, like you can currently do with most consoles.
The Gabecube can’t be that much more expensive than the steam deck right, it’s just computer hardware and not like it comes with a whole OLED touch screen and haptic feedback features
>>725952447nah, it'll sell about 2 million units (steam deck did 4 in 5 years) and then we'll circlejerk about how great it is even though its not really.Still buying one though
>>725954913with the most reasonable estimates its cheaper than an OLED steamdeck, so it should be priced around 500 dollars
>>725954762They aren't going to sell the Steam Machine on store shelves.
>>725952447Depends entirely on the pricing.
>>725952447depends on the price I thinkif it's in the neighborhood of $400 I could see it doing well
>>725953301>Having to rotate between joystick & trackpadClunky.
>>725955092a $75 profit margin is tiny for this class of product, and this isn't factoring in R&D costs to make all the custom parts.
>>725955220a billion dollar company only needs to break even
>>725955314They've already said they won't be pricing it like a console with subsidized costs, it will be priced like other mini PCs on the market of similar spec.
>>725952447Depends on the price. Who is this for? Setting up a computer with your TV in living room is not a hard process. The reality is people are just too lazy to do it. The setup process takes a few extra steps they have to go out their way to. They want the plug and play experience. It is for the people that already steam library that want to couch experience instead of gaming in their office. Who else is this for. There is a large audience that think gaming on PC is too complicated. These people are absolutely room temperature morons. But there is a lot them. They might look at this and it makes PC gaming more "accessible".
>Imagining in my head it making airboat noises and flying up in the airhahaha lol
>>725955421
>>725952447nomuch like stemdreck
>>725952447Only way it could actually take off is if Valve sold it in box stores and on Amazon. If they keep it on the Steam page only then it'll just be like the Steamdeck. Great device but not marketed at all
Will it run Fallout 4 VR and stream it to my Quest 3? That's the only question for if I'm going to buy GabeCube or not
>>725952447Hype's already dead to anyone that isn't a linux soib. Even the Frame, which is the one thing I'm kinda interested in seems like a glorified quest 3
>>725955367What's the point then?
>>725952447If it costs 500 dollars or less.If it doesnt then it has no chance and will sell even less than the steam deck
>>725955747quest 3 doesn't have eye tracking thoughever
>>725954438>>725954161stop being poor many people have netflix/disney+/spotify/hbomax
>will this thing designed for normalfaggot consoomers by teams studying the market take off?
>>725955180Wrong.
>>725955757beats me, honestly.I think the Steam Frame might be cool, the (new) Steam Controller doesn't look comfortable, and the Steam Machine seems utterly pointless.
>>725952447No ps6 will come out 1 or 2y after it and the industry will abandon this.The only way to make this be successful is if 60 or 100 milion people buy it and then refuse to upgrade forever.Games look good enough we need them to be better in other ways.
>>725955149It's competing with other mini pcs though. So it has to undercut those products while offering more. Most mini pcs have oculink for adding gpus now so it also has to outperform these things or at least make it easier to use.The real question here is how much weight the valve name carries because it looks to be like they're fully leaning into name brand recognition with this product.
>>725955715Yes but its gonna look like trash because it doesnt support fsr4
>>725954762impossible without taking massive losses because chinkwares will just cobble together cheaper parts with steamos
>>725952447I don't know, being priced alongside the Playstation & Xbox while being a weaker system would probably kill all of its momentum, but the allure of free online and playing all those PC fotm games is probably enticing as hell to consolefags. Valve is also notorious for small batch manufacturing so these things are going to be sold out for a long time while humorously nobody owning one except youtubers and online influencers telling you it's better than sex.
>>725952447No but the delusional steamdrones do
you can't even buy it in majority of the world it will be same as deck, couple of mill
>>725952662Yes, also what >>725953301 said>>725955180You dont have to rotate between joystick and trackpad. Some are best using either one but you wont use both the right trackpad and the right joystick in game unless you get autistic and start mapping macros on one of them.
>>725955367source?
>>725952447It will likely do around as well as the deck. Whether you like it or not, Steam has built up enough good will with the average consumer over many years for people to actually LIKE them as a company. You know at this point there won't be some bullshit attached to it. It's not like they are trying to compete with other consoles or even other PCs. It's a specialty product for those with the want for it. We will have to see but I think it's a pretty safe bet it will do well, simply by the fact it even exists. If their hardware wasn't selling, they wouldn't keep making more.
I have to buy it for the steam profile badge and background and so on.
>>725955421>There is a large audience that think gaming on PC is too complicated. and yet don't want to give up console conveince, so only people with steam accounts already
>>725955757getting people off windowsthe is a meme of 'fuck windows i'm installing linux' with enshitification of windows11
>>725952447Honestly? No for the Steam Machine.The controllers will be popular, and the Frame will be the top selling VR headset, which isn't all the much since VR is kinda a meme still.The gabecube is just not enough to convince consoletards to switch. Most are borderline cultists.I think it will sell okay, but disappointingly for anyone who was expecting some sort of revolution in the gaming space out of it. Valve would need to shelve it alongside the Playstation and Switch at regular box stores for it to even start to compete.
>>725952447We literally went through this 10 years ago, and they don’t seem to be doing anything better this time
>>725955180that is in fact clunky which is why nobody does it, you're hardlining the right stick for traditional video games or the trackpad for fine detail tasks and not switching between the two a lotarguably the best way to go about console aiming is right stick + gyro anyways but hey it's a steam controller, you can set it up however you want
Will this thing run Elden Ring? My friend wants to do co-op runs but I dont want to get a desktop
Genuinely no. Only some third world steamcucks pretend to care about this piece of crap
>>725956291Gabecube exists for people that have their Steam Deck pretty much permanently wired to their TVPeople like me, who use their Dick for general media-center tasks and for couch emulation
>>725952447if its $399, sure.$499 and $599 are really hard impulse buys.
>>725956383Elden Rang runs on a Steam Deck at around 30FPS stable (800p-ish screen resolution), should run fine on a Machine
>>725956071>[Valve] said that while they expect it to be very competitively priced with a PC, that it will be priced like a PC rather than like a console with games subsidizing the upfront hardware purchase. >They wouldn't say why, but if I had to guess, I'd say it's partially to avoid stepping on the margin opportunities of their potential partners for Steam games and Steam software, but also because they recognize that the Steam machine is a full-fledged PC capable of being used as a full-fledged PC.Source [@10:55]:https://youtu.be/g3FkuZNSGkw?si=3W_zXQQC55RdaCZA&t=655
>>725955421There are console features that are probably a PITA to set up on a pc, I will gladly buy the ominous black cube for my living room if it's a reasonable price.
>>725952447Depends on what you mean by take off and the price. I think that there are going to be plenty of people who want this thing, but if it's not exceptionally cheap then that audience is going to be much lower. Also depends on how it's going to be distributed. Valve tends to only sell products on Steam, and that limits access to it. I think it'll be in relatively high demand in Asia where Valve does have retail presence.
>>725955961Nice. I'm used to shitty looking games. I play Quest 3 standalone games and my main gaming system is Switch
>>725956147Many 25+ year old gamers are jaded by consoles and want to get a PC but find getting into PC to be overwhelming. I know because I was one of them. After the PS4, I was so sick of consoles that I finally broke and learned how to build a PC. But initially, all the hardware options (Do I go AMD or Intel? AMD or Nvidia? What monitor should I get?) was really overwhelming.
>>725952447I don't, it'll be used primarily as a secondary device by people who already own PCs I imagine
just like the steam deck, the real product is steamos.linux steam users tripled after the deck came outthis is going to have a similar effectwhile consolefags shit on each other, valve is coming at microsoft's throat, little by little
>>725953992I feel like people are gonna steamlink to the thing anyway for higher spec games, but we'll see
A $450 cube that lets you play any game you want with faceplate customization will sell a lot. No console lets you sit at home and play a PC game from 1999 then a 2025 PC game then switch to a PS2 game.
>>725956862This.Most of the threads keep talking about "Frame vs Quest"/"Deck vs Switch"/"Machine vs Consoles", and they all fail to realize that Valve isn't trying to compete with any of those - Valve is attacking Microsoft's PC gaming marketshare, and have been planning to do so for over a decade.
I don't need one, but if I can use it as an HTPC it might be on my radar.
>>725952447It might "take off" at a sort of Steam Deck level, I don't think it'll take off to the point where it's a major name every normalfag out there owns. Might not even reach Deck numbers, really, since the Deck was hitting a niche that existed but didn't have any "major" product within it. The Machine is just a conventional PC>>725953323SteamOS needs the hardware in order to exist, because SteamOS needs a stable platform to run on and so that Valve can make sure (as much as possible) that they don't trip into bugs from some other company's shit that they cannot address. SteamOS cannot exist as a "general purpose" OS for any random hardware configuration under the sun, because if it does then it's going to run into the same problems every other Linux distro runs into, device Y doesn't work, driver X is bugged in scenario Z, user #189941331 has problems with his audio, user #2109551734 has WiFi stability issues and so on. They need their own hardware so they can actually ensure the OS runs correctly on a few particular hardware configurations. SteamOS isn't (yet) ready for completely general-purpose use but they want to get it into people's hands nonetheless, so that's where their own hardware comes in.
>>725952447If Valve is willing to sell it at a loss, easily.
>>725952447I had the opportunity to commune with normalfags yesterday, and they are talking about it rather excitedly. The allure of not paying a monthly subscription to play COD/FIFA is a big deal. When they find out they can share a copy of a game between five of them there will be a reckoning.At the very worst, the gabecube will have put the fear of God in the hearts of all the console manufacturers. It's all going to come down to price.
>>725956929Huh thought that basically any modern tvs could install steam link but not so sure about that now after 2 minutes of googling. Out of all things apple tvs seem to be most compatible.. so you might be right
>>725952447I doubt it, I don't see any sort of propeller
>>725957505people usually use moonlight/sunshine on something like a raspberry Pi IIRC for smaller form factor solutions
>>725957397Then I have zero interest in it until it is general purpose.
>>725955873Serious question, Have you played a game for hundreds of hours than on XBOX date night with the wife? Your brain has to readjust inputs slowly. So imagine that on a controller but on steroids'
>>725952447No, but I might grab the controller if it's 50 bones
>>725954438>perhaps because they sell consoles at a loss so they need to make their money back using jewish tactics?yes$599 PS3 almost killed Sony
>>725957519did you try unplugging and plugging it back in?
>>725957481what about all those mandatory invasive anti-cheats that dont work on linux for those games? unless they are talking about older CODS then they will be in for a nasty surprise. i think this will be the gabecube's biggest weakness in attempting to target the normie demographic.
>>725955849using your retard logic no product should fail ever
yes. it will take off as in thermal throttle because it's a cuckbox.
>>725957706ok
It's just a prebuild PC for steam. I don't think it really matters if it sells well or not, because in the end it will just be a shittier version of your PC, but it will play the same games.
>>725957898It's gonna be a rough launch week for sure with everyone figuring out which AAA online games don't work cause of anti-cheat not shaking hands with linux.
>>725957898This is actually why I'm hesitant on pulling the trigger installing linux on my main desktop.I don't think I'd do SteamOS or even Bazzite, probably try Cachy, but they all have that "problem".
>>725952447I'll wait for benchmark and feature reviews. If it's just SteamOS on a mini PC, I don't see why I can't build one myself. The controller and headset is very interesting though, might just get them myself.
>>725952447completely depends on the price, if it's like $600 then yes i think it'll do really well
>>725957898Shhh just don't tell them. I expect the anticheats to learn to work with linux or devs to bend the knee in the long run. In the short run, I'm sure there will be some alternative games for them.
>>725958248You can't just install steamOS completely painlessly on any pc for one (though cachy and whatever are fine alternatives if that's not a selling point for you)
>>725952447Like everyone else in this thread - it depends on the price. My wife and kids use a ps4 for games and TV. It this is under 500 usd I'll get one for my living room.
>>725955180Why would you rotate at all? A game would use either one or the other, and you'd be able to rebind it anyways to whichever you prefer.
>>725952447Depends on if the Valve Gabecube gets popular enough or not.
>>725958852thank you for your insight, anon
>more ewaste>new ewaste box in generic black cube/rectangle box formtechnology is so soulless nowadays. Take me back to apple CRT puters. Steve was a jerk but he had artist taste. Tech bros are either jeets or androids with human skin.
>>725958448when you think about it, never letting them know about that limitation may perhaps be a genius idea, if it plays out right. if they are all outraged over not being able to play their AAA yearly sloppa, then somebody has to kneel, and i have reason to think valve is not going to be the one to do it. how hard is it realistically to develop a functioning anti-cheat that doesn't have to scan every file under the sun to do its job?
>>725957898nobody on steamie wants to play sweatlords
>>725952447If it's priced aggressively and includes a controller then I think it could have broad appeal.They need to be realistic about this. It's got 512GB of storage and it's slower than a PS5. It's got free online play, but it can't actually run most of the popular online games due to the anticheat situation.If they price it like a PS5 then there's a chance of it taking off roughly as well as the Deck, which might be enough to give them leverage to negotiate compatible anticheat and then release a more powerful v2 to compete with the PS6.
>>725960193 (Me)(I know there's a 2TB model and I know it's upgradeable, but that applies to the consoles too and the base spec is the only one that ever seems to be relevant when it comes to price discussion)
>>725952447Might pick one up once it's been modded with more ram16 and 8gb cram wa outdated a decade ago
>>725960287I feel like the 2TB upgrade would be overpriced anyway considering you can just pop the lid off and slam an SSD in there yourself, but I guess baby's first PC owners who get the gabecube would be filtered by that
>>725953249Nuff said. I'm getting it so i can do all the emulation i do with my Steamdeck, but without having to charge my deck all the time.
>>725956783Btw im not sure about compatibility with the quest but probabaly
>>725957749You dont use them at the same time genius. What youre doing is like complaining about a controller having a stick and face buttons ans your thumb having to "adapt"
>>725960432you dont even need to do the tiniest amount of part tinkering with the steam machine for extra storage space; anyone can buy a 1tb microSD card and pop that bitch right in. sure the loading times might suffer if a heavy game is installed on microSD but they probably wont care or even notice if the difference is small enough.
>>725952447>MachineNo.>ControllerYes.
What I'm curious about is the controller cost. It's well known that sony/microsoft/nintendo way over-charge on their crappy controllers just by looking at other 3rd party brands that make much better ones at much cheaper prices.
>>725952447I think this will be a test to gauge their brand power, they have another box to come out with the Deck 2 with actual power (and way more expensive) so people will eat it up.
>>725961494>What I'm curious about is the controller cost.I paid less than $30 for a controller with TMR sticks, so it better have a reasonable price.
>>725961707Imagine if they decided to sell it for $40. They won't ever be able to keep up with the demand.
>>725961862$40 is unrealistic, but I'm not going to pay more than $60.
>>725952447No that shit is gonna overheat and break within a year.
>>725961162I was very sceptical about the idea of running AAA games from an SD card, but it seems to work OK on the deckhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QPz7b7SXuQ47secs from SSD, 1m12s from microsd.Seems to cause issues in other games though, like Spider Man 2https://youtu.be/3ceIHCShP3E?si=9E7Rer85gYl8tYVw&t=1147They might need to add a blacklist of games that can't be installed on microsd.
>>725954762The Steam Deck sold because it fulfilled a niche at a price point where competitors can't (and still can't) fill. Hard to find something comparable to a Steam Deck even now, specs wise + price. Steam Machine actually has competition: consoles, pre-builts, and self built PCs. I don't think it's going to sell well, and neither is Valve.
>>725952447The controller looks weird, but I do want to buy both the Steam Machine and the VR Headset, playing games in bed or wherever sounds comfy. Even though I already have a gayming PC, I can just put the Steam Machine on my TV.
>>725955220>this isn't factoring in R&D costs to make all the custom parts.There's basically none. The CPU and APU are both recycled from failed products that AMD couldn't push - the CPU was supposed to be for a Microsoft surface that got cancelled and the GPU was supposed to be a low-cost dGPU for laptops in order to wrest control of that space from Intel and Nvidia.The actual R&D costs are probably tiny on Valve's end.
>>725962897>There's basically none.The fan, the PSU (probably), and the front panel are all custom elements.
>>725952447If Valve actually tried marketing it and pushing it to the general public, then it could be a beast. But it's Valve so they'll leave it to die with the rest of their side projects.
>>725963116>PSU (probably)have any youtubers shown it all? psu is probably an external brick plug no?
>>725963116>The fan, the PSU (probably), and the front panel are all custom elements.The PSU is just a normal 12V blade style PSU. Almost everything aside from the case and the fan looks to be off-the-shelf.
>>725962138>we brought back loading
>>725952447No, I'm certain it will remain on the table wherever I place it.
>>725952447i'm hoping it doesn't, purely out of selfish reasons, however i know that it will just be always perpetually out of stock and i'll never be able to get one until years down the line
>>725952447no, but the controllers will be S tier
>>725963328>psu is probably an external brick plug no?It isn't, it's actually internal which is why I'm assuming it's a custom design by Valve or a partner of Valve's.>>725963484>The PSU is just a normal 12V blade style PSUWhere did they buy one that small? Who is their supplier? The PSU is tiny if you look at the internal breakdown and is an extremely tight fit, not to mention an unusual form factor for a PSU. I strongly suspect it was custom built for the system but I could be wrong.
Valve: it won't be console-priced because it's a pcRetards on v: it will cost around 500 dollars (same price as PS5 digital, less than Pro, less than the normal PS5, less than Series X, same price as Switch 2 bundle)
>>725952447The controller looks incredibly uncomfortable
>>725964242everyone said the same about the eck but that was very comfortable
>>725953301what is a "joystick task" specifically, and exhaustively?
>>725953249So literally any prebuilt?
>>725952447No. Its still a console with controllers. And VR is just a gimmick like 3D monitors and curved monitors.
>>725964235>ignores Xbox SS>has to bundle the shitch to get it to a high price>ignores digital only versions of the gaystation
>>725955180>having to rotate between joystick and dpadclunky
>>725953249Same, and the VR headset doesn't require facebook so I'm going to get that too.
I don't foresee this thing selling more than 2-3 units. Especially since there is no way in hell it'll run GTAVI when it eventually releases for PC
>>725964735500 is about as console-priced as you can get
>>725952447I think it will do okay. the fact that it has steam support will be a huge help. It probably won't be a threat to Sony, Xbox might be in trouble. The deck seems to be doing okay so this probably will too.
>>725956249what's interesting about this is, gabe was actually involved in the development of the very first windows, not to mention directx, dude is literally the backbone of gaming on pc and is the one who gives windows its remaining value, and now he is taking literally all of that value away from windows and microsoft
>>725964452I never saw the deck as such since it always looked like a better Switch to meMeanwhile here I cannot fathom trying to use those sticks and not getting my hands sore after one hour, to not talk about the trackpads being in the wayI hope I'm wrong since I need a new controller
>>725962138Then why recommend it at all?
>>725965094so 550 or 600, anything above and this shit is worthless
>>725952662yeah but i wouldn't say it replaces a joystick. you can aim finely, not as well as mouse of course but a good compromise, with the touchpad. they have haptic feedback so it isn't like rubbing your finger on a laptop touchpad. turning sucks with these small pads though, it doesn't feel satisfying to swipe to look around. the original steam controller had a bigger surface and it was a circle which i miss. having all three (joystick, touchpad, and gyro) is pretty nice but it looks cramped, the controller looks tiny and i bet the touchpad positions are way too inward. im still looking forward to try it but i can't imagine using the touchpads for more than some occasional thing like a menu or something
>>725952447Probably if it's like $700, there are plenty of retards
>>725956783Nice. I'm used to shitty looking gamesunbelievably based
>>725952447Of course not, not outside of the valve cult which was enough to sell more than a million steam decks
>>725952447It all depends on the price really
>>725965094I don't know if it would actually be $500, when the Steam Deck came out the first price was between $400 and $650 if I recall for the 3 different versions, and Valve even said that it was 'tough' getting the price that low for the Deck. I'd expect somewhere around that price or higher unless they are going to let it be a loss leader knowing people are going to buy games and make their money back.
>>725952447What can it do that a compact pc or laptop not do?
>>725964452the dpad cramps my hands on that, way too vertical. i really wish they pulled it inward more but otherwise thats my only complaint
yes. normalfags will buy it for their living room because it looks niceto me it's kinda retarded because you could use steam link and have a full desktop PC available anywhere
>>725952447I don't know if it will take off, but the fact that Valve is doing this makes me wonder if they see a lot of people with really ancient PCs in their hardware survey data. I mean, nobody who already has a mid tier machine would have a reason to buy one.I think the Frame will be more successful than the cube, and will probably beat Index numbers by a big margin.
>>725956794>Many 25+ year old gamers are jaded by consoles and want to get a PC but find getting into PC to be overwhelming.You know it's a really funny time. My parents are from a time before computers so they're unexpectedly pretty tech illiterate, then the next couple generations really lived hard in the pc world so we grew up learning all this stuff, but in the subsequent generations cellphones and tablets have streamlined things to a point were most be are, despite being tech more dependent than anyone are tragically somehow more tech illiterate than my parents. It's honestly rather frightful.
>>725965510Not him, but I believe it'll start at $600 since they can use it, the Steam Frame, the Steam Controller, and the Steam Store to subsidize the Steam Deck 2 in 2028 even if they go cheap on the Deck 2 for affordability, they can price it lower due to all the subsidizing.
>>725965652There was demand for better docked Deck play that’s where this comes in. It’s not trying to replace good gaming pc’s but aid those with worse or no device but the Deck. Any others that jump in are an added bonus, there’s no way they expect to sell 30+ million of these. With all of this they probably feel some relief of the Deck successor front, gives em some breathing room.
>>725960193>If it's priced aggressively and includes a controller then I think it could have broad appeal.Since it's probably gonna work with an Xbox or PS4 controller I'd actually like to see it come without one. At least as a cheaper option. I think they could probably shave off a good portion of the price tag that way since most gamers will likely have a few pads kicking around.
>>725952447>Don't you want (item) to be popular?Speaking frankly I don't care what is popular with normtrogs in the slightest. Aren't soccer ball console games the most popular statistically?If the Steam Machine sells 23 units I won't give it a second thought. If it's good, I'll be the 24th and enjoy myself.>VR's not popular so therefor it must be badI don't know why so many /v/ermin parrot this. VR tech is downright futuristic. Half Life Alyx feels like it's from the year 2050.I'm getting a Steam Frame day one and I don't care in the slightest if it's popular or a best-seller. Fuck, if I'm the only person who buys one it won't even cross my mind while I'm enjoying it.Who the fuck cares what is popular? When I was young PC games were the least popular thing there was. You were weird if you played them. Didn't stop me.
>>725952447No, I don't want a mediocre small form factor novelty PC. I might consider the VR headset if it isn't outrageous though.
>>725952447It depends on price, if its more than 500, only youtuber shills will get it, and a few of their retarded followers
>>725952447>ARM>512gb base model >fsrthis thing has to start at $700 or it’s going to flop. I was interested in one but I’m not wanting to have compatibility issues with every piece of software because this thing isn’t x86. this thing would’ve been ok 8 years ago but developers are too lazy to even implement frame gen correctly. the steam cube is already handicapped by being a piece of shit but it will be murdered by poorly optimized games
I actually kind of want to see how it acts as a pc more. They showed that it will have a lot of functionality and the Steam OS seams interesting . I don't really need a lot but I'll be shopping around to upgrade my rig in the next year or so so I want to see if this will make a nice little casual one because I really don't like Win 11.
>>725954262I don't think any of valves hardware exists to really make a profit, I think they are really trying to build market share for steamos which if they can get usage up to 10% it's pretty much over for windows since every game will start getting native Linux support or at least an active effort to make it run well with proton from the devs which will then remove most of the reason for why then remaining 90% had been reluctant to switch
>>725967072it’s basically an android tablet with a locked down OS so it’s even less capable than a Microsoft surface (non-pro)
>>725966959You cannot read, listen, or think. It is not arm. The Frame is arm.>>725967214Literal spew, it's a Linux distro. You can do anything you can do on any other Linux computer with it.
>>725967214also dlss causes issues with a lot of script extenders (mods) so this thing probably won’t handle game mods either
>>725967186Financially yeah Valve could completely tank all hardware losses and not even think about it, their MO is providing options and better service since Steam pulls in infinite money just by existing
>>725967403>Literal spew, it's a Linux distro. You can do anything you can do on any other Linux computer with it.I switched over to mint after 10 ended supported so I imagine it's basically just lateral from that then. That's workable.
>>725967403linux has less compatibility than android
>>725967403Microsoft Surface runs a version of Windows but it’s still not 64 bit like the Surface Pro. It says Windows on the hood but only runs mobile software.
>>725967792What kind of schizoposting is this? what does a MS surface have to do with a Linux Prebuilt?>>725967510Cool, you can play Windows games on Android now?>>725967485If you don't want to tinker and like the defaults you'll be fine with it. If for some reason you couldn't stand it, there's also no reason why you couldn't just use another distro on it.
>>725968147The steam cube is emulating x86 instruction set. this shit is going to flop and you’re retarded if you think this thing is going to be a pc. It’s just a console
>>725968147It will be interesting to see what kind of shenanigans people get up to with it.
>>725967428Yeah in the short to mid term it's about expanding use of steam, and hedging against any actions by Microsoft against them. In the mid to long term I think it's a play to become the 3rd major operating system and not one that is solely gaming focused either
>>725968219>The steam cube is emulating x86 instruction set.No it's not it's a it's a Ryzen processor
>>725968467The more people stand up to shake microsofts monopoly on PC OS the better.
With how much chink handhelds are enjoyed by anons and normies alike, I think this will go perfectly on a shelf full of other emulation machines. Maybe someone will even post a pic of them playing them and they'll be beyond the title screen
>>725968580you can watch the gamers nexus interview with the devs. they explicitly stated x86 is emulated
>>725964484Moving, for instance. You can technically have a trackpad emulate a joystick (but not the opposite), but you lose the feedback of knowing which way and how far the stick is tilted because every part of the surface is identical.
>>725968709that's fucking steam frame you dumb nigger, that one uses a cpu my phone has, snapdragon 8 gen 3 and it emulates x86 via fexthe gabecube is using a r5 7600x, a pc x86 part
>>725968671I think casuals will like the swappable faceplates. I can already hear the etsy gears going
>>725965627Bump
We're getting to the end of true consoles and more just specialized themed PCs, so I think future iterations of this may have the potential to start taking the market. This first one will probably be pretty niche and only make enough to justify making better ones in the future, like the Steam Deck.
>>725968850ok again people are only going to buy this if it’s a fully functional pc which it is not
I expect it to flop, but I think it'll be a nice alternative to the SFF PCs we've been seeing for the last few years, especially since even at $700+, it'll be cheaper and more powerful than 99% of those PCs.
>>725968947it comes with a newbie friendly consolised ui out of the box
PCMR is now shilling underpowered prebuilts.
If they actually made Half Life 3 I think that would really help push units
>>725968709That's the headset which has a Snapdragon soc in it
>>725952447It'll probably sell as much as the Deck has
>>725953249>Who cares?Most people. Why do you think most people buy iphones and windows pcs? It's because they are the most popular/well known. Normalfags won't buy a Sream Machine UNLESS it "takes off".
>>725969016it literally is you dumbfuckthe only thing it "emulates" is dx12 and it's doing so incredibly well
>>725969013If anything this signals the end of PCs when the largest PC brand is making consoles.
maybe
>>725969016In the videos they show it having a desktop, and ability to run games, and any other PC applications. I don't know why you're being such a retard.
>>725969201right. we’ll see when it launches
>>725969120Hl3 wouldn't even have to be that good to be well received at this point since everything recent has been such trash
>>725969230>the end of pcs will mean everyone runs a fully functional pc but some are more retard friendly than others
>>725969317I’m not going to believe a promotional tech demo just because it’s valve
>>725969376I dunno, that didn't help Duke Nukem.
>>725969326the deck already existsyou're so unbelievably retarded and obtuseliterally the only difference between it and a regular pc is what operating system it ships with and that can be changed and the difference between windows and linux is as small as it's ever been and it only keeps shrinking
>>725969439>its not a PC because.... its JUST NOT OKAY
>>725969380I didn't say that
>>725969626you didpcs becoming more relevant through console ui frontends is not in fact ending pcs
>>725969526>it’s the same it’s just that everything else is differentok
>>725969480Things hadn't fallen so far back then, and I more mean hl3 wouldn't really need to be very innovative
>>725952662it is way more accurate, if you feel kinky, you can set it up to enable gyro when touching the trackpad, so you have the best aim possible on a controller
>>725952447It should in theory but don't underestimate retardation of console players. They would rather buy gaystation pro x than objectively better hardware/software package such as gabebox to get imaginary brand loyalty points.
>>725969741it's the exact same fucking type of hardware you'd find in a windows prebuilt and you can put windows on it and it would be indistinguishable from any other pcplease shut the fuck up, you know nothing about this
>>725952447I don't care if it will "take off" or not but I will get one if it's under 1k and available in yurop without a 3+ years old account.
>>725970469For 1k you can probably get something way better. I'm interested in getting one myself maybe but anything over 600 is just a big fat no. Under 500 I'll fucking preorder.
>>725952447>No DVD driveHow am I supposed to get my games into the thing?
>>725970640I'll pay 1k+ gladly just so I don't have to ever bother Windows and Jeetosoft ever again.
>>725970640>you can probably get something way betterKey word being probably. To be fair trying to build a PC with similar specs (and a 500GB SSD) landed me at 650-700 yuros without any deal hunting. But that's a whole-ass tower PC and gabecube's form factor is just really appealing both space-wise and portability-wise. I am cautiously hoping for 700-800 for the 2TB one.
>>725969718Steam machine is evidence of consoles becomming more relevant since it is a console.
>>725970962>Steam machine is a consoleIt's a PC. It's literally using laptop parts and isn't locked in any way.
If its $349 it will be a success$400 it will be a mild success$500 maybe a success but its pushing it for a 1080p spec PC.$600 no, not worth it just build your own$700 dead on arrival
>>725971064Then I guess traditional PCs are dying and prebuilts are taking over. Loss for PCMR either way. Don't worry about it anyway, you're 100% not buying one because of how dogshit it is, and neither am I.
>>725970962it's a fully functional pc just like the deck, how many times do you need this hammered into your thick skull>>725971297prebuilts and laptops are already how the vast majority of people use a pc, this is specifically targetting low iq consolecucks like you
>>725970640>Under 500 I'll fucking preorderIf it's that cheap I might get one just to fuck around with and out of curiosity, even though I have no need for one at all. I kind of doubt it would really be that cheap.
>>725952447They're still making the Ouya?
>>725971473Gabe is reading your posts and nodding in agreement. He'll be sending you coupons for steam games due to your undying loyalty to a billion dollar corporation.
>>725971604you are fucking stunted and don't know the first thing about computers if you need basic shit like this hammered into you
>>725971473>prebuilts and laptops are already how the vast majority of people use a pcThen PCMR is already dead. My condolences.
>>725969016>>725969326We know what hardware it's using. We know what software it's using. The only way you could possibly be right is if valve is false advertising so hard that any judge would instantly financially rape them.
>>725971290you're delusional
>>725952447not unless it costs like 250 bucks. It'll sell about half of what the deck sold, so 2 mil
>>725971701no it's notit's called pcmr because consolecucks have zero control over their systems and get their hardware banned for trying to reclaim even a fraction of the freedom any pc has by default
>>725968938Divoom will make a faceplate and it'll sell like crazy considering that egirls love having the little speaker on their desks
>>725971803No, I'm not. I made this PC from returns accepted ebay listings in 10 minutes that out performs the steam machine.The steam machine is just a 1080p high end PC using FSR4 for 4k running steamOS.
>>725952662not really but it appeals to boomers who never grew up with consoles and cant use controllers for FPS.
>>725952447>console but you don't have to spend hundreds per year on gay online serviceswhy wouldn't it sell?
>>725971693Thank you for teaching me about your billion dollar corporation that you worship. Do I owe you anything or did Gabe already subsidize your shill campaign?
>>725971889Ok PC vegan.
>>725952447Selling a brand and an 'experience' to retards is more of a certain success formula than most of /v/ will ever admit (despite being largely braindead tendies and buying Nvidia), but it really depends on the price. Deck was something feature rich, well built and extremely well priced compared to the absolute state of the UMPC market at the time (that hasn't changed at all), Mini PCs already exist.
>>725957749if you're playing a shooter you use track pad. If you're playing a fighter you use joysticks. Have you ever played a game before?
>>725954438Inventing subscriptions for shit that is supposed to be free is Microsoft's speciality, just wait till AI takes off and you have to pay one to think. The sooner valve kills them the better.
>>725971978you deserve a tax refund because your school teachers fucking failed you
>>725952662Yeah it's good for menus but it's still not great for aiming. Gyro is the only good controller aiming solution I've used and apparently a lot of people disagree about that as well.
>>725972171I'll be waiting for a very long time, then.
>>725971924>ebaymay as well write the five unavailable items as $0 because you can salvage them from junkyard
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>>725952447desu i dont really care if it does or not. i'm firmly within the niche of people the deck and a steam os mini pc appeal to and i couldnt be happier
>>725971924Don't forget to add in manufacturing custom parts, assembly, R&D, stuffing it all into an SFF, and a markup.>ebay listingsLmao, never mind. Delusional, like I said.
>>725952447I think it's fantastic and I want one for the same reason I wanted my portable bing bing wahoo originally. With my profligate spending I hope to encourage other manufacturers to also adopt a "PC" style OS for their systems, if not force steamOS onto other hardware manufacturers. I don't think Xbox will manage with theirs, while sony and nintendo aren't even really trying to compete in the area. As Valve gains a userbase on their OS it's inevitably going to become much more mature and feature complete. It's already evolved quite far from a decade ago, when it was basically just "big picture" mode and few games could play on it. Valve has also really helped build out an "independent" ecosystem for PC gaming. The driver and linux support they've contributed to has only been a positive. Even if it collects dust I'll be happy with my purchase just for that reason. The first "Steam Machine" laid fantastic groundwork for all of that, even if it was an abject failure. Gabe Cube 2 will definitely have a rough edge or two IMO. But the jump in ambition and quality is evident. And I'm not sure "the other" console manufacturers have a very good idea of where to go from here (baring a Nintendo surprise). So I wanna see where Valve goes from here. Especially because muh private company. They can afford to "fuck around " for a decade and even skip a console generation if they need.
>>725952860It's more about getting a foothold for steam OS. I don't know why they didn't just release a beefier steam deck and bundle it with a controller and a dock, that accomplishes the same thing and cuts off questions about it's specs compared to consoles and other cheap PCs
>>725972417thanks for reaffirming that nintendoids are in fact the most retarded people on this board
>tech illiterate consolefag having meltdown because people are telling him that he doesn't know how computers workMany such cases. Why are you even in these threads if you're as tech illiterate as a 70 year old boomer? Do you know that you're just saying complete nonsense but don't give a shit? Do you think that what you're saying makes sense but can't understand that you have no knowledge of the subject you're trying to discuss? Are you even going to respond to this post or are you going to continue posting complete gibberish?
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>>725972064The most important thing is gonna be games support. If the gaben machine can play modern titles at 60fps at 1080p, even at low settings, then it's good enough. The normie doesn't want to tinker or optimize, he wants to boot in to the game with all the settings preset to get 60fps and start playing, if Valve can create a console like experience on PC then it will have at least some success.
>>725972565He's one of the many nintendo schizos that infest this shithole. I gauruntee he's done the same thing in every pc thread.
>>725952447Depends on how much they market it.
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>>725972793Are you the "countertrolling" guy?
I just want them to release SteamOS for desktop, if they have what is basically a desktop OS that they continue to support for their SFF PC, then I don't see why the community couldn't take it and offer support for any other PC.
>>725964803>having tooAIEEEE MY PoC (People of Consoles) BRAIN CANNOT HANDLE THIS!
>>725972924That's literally pointless and won't give you anything that any gamer distro like bazzite or cachyos doesn't already give youIf anything it's going to be a hindrance since you now have a bunch of console looking defaults on a mouse and keyboard desktop
>>725972848Yeah
>>725969120>IfThere's no if. That's what they're doing.
>>725973128Why have you decided to dedicate your life to shitting up every thread on /v/?
>>725973117>If anything it's going to be a hindrance since you now have a bunch of console looking defaults on a mouse and keyboard desktopIsn't Bazzite already like that anyways?
>>725972472>I got scammed so everyone else should too>too stupid to know how to toggle returns accepted filter to get pc parts cheapyep. Sorry but not buying an overpriced steam machine. I paid $350 for my PC with a 5600X and I've been using it for almost 4 years now.
>>725973217Just the threads that you are in, PC vegan. And it's because you deserve it.
>>725973117"Out of the box" "commercial ready" normie ready Linux would be an absolutely huge deal. Gaming is the perfect gateway mechanism to lead people into other distros. It needs to be LITERALLY retard proof, at least for their first year or two of experience. And have a compelling reason for mass adoption since people stick to what they know. Once people are even slightly familiarized with linux, it's a much smaller ask to switch to a different version.
>>725973517Are you aware that this is an anonymous imageboard?
>>725973301Bazzite has a deck iso version for handhelds but the desktop version is basically what the desktop SteamOS will be, if not better since it has all the gamer things preinstalled In the end they're both the same type of distro, they don't let you access core system files, update on a scheduled cadence and keep backups in case something gets fucked up
>>725973651>Bazzite has a deck iso version for handhelds but the desktop version is basically what the desktop SteamOS will be, if not better since it has all the gamer things preinstalledOh, cool, in that case fuck it, I'll probably just go with that.I've been stuck between Bazzite and CachyOS for my new OS once W10 finally shits the bed.
>>725973217Not like he has any games to play.
>>725973612Yeah
>>725952447It isn't even out yet and it's already dusty.
>>725952447I'll probably get one.
>>725973517PC is objectively better than anything walled garden like consoles.Nintendo's constant attacks on emulators show there isn't anything special about what they do hardware wise. They can only push people into a totally abusive relationship. Facebook and Twitter act this way. Companies that are worried that they don't actually have anything else to offer.
>>725973562From a PR standpoint maybe, but functionally it won't change a thing It would just be an experience you can already have but with a steam logo stapled on
>>725973772Why do you think you can tell who an anonymous imageboard poster is unless they directly tell you who they are?
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>>725973412If you have time to waste chasing cheap parts, dealing with items not actually being available, or getting them delivered and having to return for one reason or another, sure, maybe you can eventually build something for a lower price. But you're still out of your mind if you think a full SFF prebuilt with those specs and with a bundled controller is going to be $350 or anything less than $500-600 at the minimum.Whether or not it's worth that price - for you personally or in general - is another question entirely.
>>725973826>trying to argue with himHe's a legit schizo that believes he needs to defend nintendo from attackers on /v/ by "countertrolling" every thread about a platform that isn't about nintendo. He's been doing this shit for at least a year by now and mods don't give a shit.
>>725973892Was I wrong?
>>725952447is the card better than a 3070?
>>725974017I don't even understand who you're accusing me of being.
>>725973848Which is perfectly fine to me. If they can ride the PR wave properly it's literally billions in free advertising. And being represented by an organization that is much more accountable ("supposedly", it is valve after all).I just want to see this grow and Valve is the company giving it serious attention. Even if they do add unique features it's not like those are hard to replicate once the idea is out there.
>>725974068A PC vegan
>>725972073if i'm playing a shooter i use a dpad, if i'm playong a fighting game i use a dpad, if i'm playing a fps i use sticks, simple as
>>725974123Why exactly do you hate PC and why have you dedicated your life to shitting up PC threads?
>>725952447Maybe not the controllers, but the box will do well simply because it could be used in any situation.
>>725974224Was I right?
>>725974363What?
>>725974506Lol
>>725952447Why wouldn't it? Sounds like it will do a whole lot more than a regular console can do.
both steam deck and steam machine are actually limited in number by design because the chips they use are basically leftovers that amd couldn’t sell so valve grabbed them cheap
Reading through the thread, I keep going back and for on the idea of the Steam Machine. I like the idea of a Steam "console", but then it's not a console. I like the idea of a Steam "PC", but then why not just get a regular PC, customizing it to my liking from the ground up. It's this weird middle ground that I'm not interested in. I've got consoles. I've got a PC. I've got a phone. They can all potentially play the same games, but they also have their own niches with regards to gaming. I suppose I felt the same way about the Switch and it being a hybrid console. It's nice, but I basically always played it in docked mode. If the Switch 2 had a non-handheld version that was cheaper/more powerful, I'd probably get that instead. As for how the Steam Machine will perform in the marketplace, I think it'll do about as well as the Steam Deck, which also doesn't seem like it has much of a reason to exist outside of being a Valve product for superfans of Steam. As far as I can tell, the difference between the Deck and other competitors is price, but that's just because Valve is eating costs that other manufactures can't do. The entire Valve hardware line-up seems less like a innovative pioneer in the dedicated gaming hardware industry and more of an extension of the Steam business. They're accessories. Basically, the Steam Machine is just a really expensive amiibo.
The fact it's shaped like the Kaaba in Mecca pretty much guarantees its success.The arab steam whales with level 9999999999 steam accounts will buy millions of these even before white people do.
>>725974363Marge
>>725952447All of the accessories companies that made everything and anything for the Steam Deck is already counting money due to that face plate being swappable.
>>725974784It's for the tech illiterate who feel intimidated by PC building and also the apple crowd.
>>725974734so valve isn’t losing money on those like people think. the devices are scrapyard specials with engineering and a valve logo thrown at them to make it work.if they actually wanted to produce these in real console number they would have to come up with a new hardware revision 100%
>>725952447Aren't they just small PCs? If so then yes, if they are priced correctly.
>>725974784And what does a console do that this doesnt? They have become basically indistinguishable from PCs. If you want a console keep the steam OS interface open, if you want a PC switch to desktop.
>>725973727Cachy is pretty much endgame distro for sane peopleWouldn't jump into it without at least a bit of experienceIt has solid foundations but it won't stop you from fucking your shit upThere's really no upgrading from it unless you develop OCD where having a few hundred more megabytes of storage used makes you mad
>>725952447If it's cheap enough, say, 500 or less? Sure.Otherwise not.
>>725952447The gabe box is dead on a arrive but everything else will sell out
>>725974027No.The Gabecube's GPU is RX 7600M level which in NVIDIA terms is on the ball park of a 3060.
>>725974784>why not just get a regular PCfor proton specifically, having a standardized piece of hardware alleviates so many troubleshooting headaches.
>>725952447No. Even if it was sold in stores: no. It'll sell a couple million via Steam and that'll be good enough for what Valve wants, but taking on Switch 2 or PS5? Are people delusional? SteamOS has come a long way as has Proton but it's still a PC at the end of the day and still has PC issues, it's digital only, it will be unable to play things like Genshin Impact or Destiny 2 without workarounds a normalfag isn't going to want to do let alone risk their account with, and if some normalfag buys it they're gonna start cranking settings to max wondering why stuff runs poorly.The Steam Deck is popular because it fills a specific niche that no one else at the time could which is the handheld gaming space that isn't Nintendo, and the emulator space that isn't poor quality Chinese handhelds. It's still your best choice for a PC handheld for those reasons simply due to its quality, lack of major issues, and support from both the community and from the general public.This machine is for a very specific subset of people who already have a lot of games on Steam, are okay with digital-only titles, are comfortable with PC gaming, understand Linux's limitations, and want to have a console experience without dedicating something to it.
>>725952447Well, they got you to buy the deck, right?
>>725952662in terms of accuracy:mouse>gyro>touchpad>joystickhonestly i think gyro is just as accurate as mouse, but there's too much skill requirement and I worry that the calculations needed to sense directions could possible add a ms or two to input delay.in terms of comfy:mouse = touch+gyro = flickstick+gyro > pure gyro > pure touch > pure stick
Yes it basically kills the future Xbox and prebuild PCs. AI growth and it's existence throttling the graphics race will also drive more people to it.
>>725975834There are a lot of questions like, Price is one but so is, is it going to be available outside of the online steam store on places like amazon? Is it gonna be in stores like BestBuy and Walmart. Shit like that makes a difference when buying PC, laptops and tablets. Especially to people not already in the steam ecosystem.
>>725955092most reasonable esitmates are 700 to 1000 dolleridoos for for the gabecube
>>725972269anyone who disagrees with gyro being more accurate than stick or touchpad has parkinsons or is a random internet jackass talking about things he's never actually experienced
>>725976546>is it going to be available outside of the online steam store on places like amazon?Most certainly not, only accessible through Steam directly.
Will take of just like steam deck did.
>>725976389the gabecube is a bridge for disaffected consolefags intimidated by pcsit's fully functional as a pc but if all you want to do is play games you can stay in the sanitised console gui forever and it will be no different to typical console experience
>>725976770Breaking 4 million at the start of 2025 isn't anything to scoff at considering you're literally selling a gameboy to PC gamers.
>>725959140My limited knowledge schizo theory is that it could be done server-side but they choose not to to save on costs (also force you to buy their shitty skins or use the default like a pleb, on top of preventing any other client customization).I could live with a bunch of dudes using macros. Lots of workarounds for shit happen anyways.
>>725952447according to valve 70% of pc gamers dont have a pc thats better then that box so do what you will with that info the success all depends on the price
>>725976884Don't forget. Other manufacturers will jump in on this, just like they did with the deck. You don't need to ship billions of units unless you're one of the established companies pushing for market share and the initial subsidize for game purchases deal. How many copycats did we get from Valve (and Microsoft to their credit) already creating the basic software infrastructure?There will be "other", more powerful, SteamieBoxes.
>>725976498>AI growth and it's existence throttling the graphics race will also drive more people to it.People were saying that about crypto 5 years ago. There is a non zero chance that the AI bubble pops in the next 2 to 4 years. Nivdia has been jumping from hyping one big thing to the next each card generation since VR on the 1000 series.Most of them have been over hyped and underwhelming.
>>725977202as long as they've learned the lesson to not put fucking windows on those things then it'll be fine and valve won't have to make another machine againpersonally i hope they contact the bazzite people and commission them to make hardware specific configurations for their boxes
>>725977208The crypto thing was actually a huge boom though. It absolutely throttled the shit out of the graphics card market. Companies couldn't make enough and hadn't even caught up by the time AI started to get real attention.
>>725977208it has stagnated gaming hardware, the fact that so many people are stuck on 1080p is because it just isnt worth paying over 1000 dollars for a 4k gpu.
>>725960193>>725966684Yeah, I see a lot of speculation on the frame and cube prices, but nobody wants to address the elephant in the room, this mfer is going to be $80 in the absolute best case scenario.
>>725952447If they are targeting consolefags then they need to sell it with a PC exclusive game. Release Half-Life 3 or something.
>>725977685everything that didn't release on ps5/xsx is basically an exclusive given the poor performance of last gen consoles
>>725975273Nix and Gentoo are one of the few after Cachy. The autism required for those is well over my tolerance
>oystick deadlast in comfy.>Yes because a touchscreen is more comfortable than sticks for gaming What in the retardation
>>725977484Yes it did but when crypto tanked they were already pivoting to NPUs and AI but if AI pops I don't know that they can pivot to anything other then back to gaming or maybe crypto, maybe selfdriving cars.
As an small computer for grandma it's perfect, as a gaming machine is subpar.
>>725977614Less than 60 dollars or no deal.
>>725977948Meant for this>>725976440
>>725976884That's literally what the Steam Deck was too. Everything you're describing the Steam Deck also was. People here seem to have a completely different view of reality because PC gaming is not something that is appealing to most people. PC gaming is an enthusiast thing even if it's SteamOS-tier simply because it has no "true exclusives" in the sense of something that attracts a consolefag to it and it will directly stop people from being able to play certain, basic things like Fortnite.This isn't even getting into the fact that people have already built up their achievements/trophies on platforms, they've built up their digital library on platforms, and they've got their friends on those platforms. If you're a normalfag who is going to buy a PS5 or a Switch 2 why would you opt for the Gabecube, and don't answer this in a way that you yourself extol the virtues of PC gaming because that doesn't matter to a normalfag. Being able to play old games they don't already own isn't a positive to these people, being able to futz around with it isn't a positive to these people, piracy and emulation is not something a normalfag will ever participate in, and free online gaming isn't a dealbreaker for these people.This is an enthusiast's device just like the Steam Deck. It would take being sold in stores with a section as big as Nintendo or Sony to even remotely gain any sort of mainstream attention, and by default being digital-only makes that significantly harder for Valve as Nintendo and Sony have physical games and tons of accessories and third-party accessories to pad their window shopping experience out.
>>725978074You wouldn't need a prebuilt if you were serious, you are all grandmas in the grand scheme.
>>725978074if you're playing games on a tv with a controller you won't have the same standards for performance as someone running a 500hz monitor on gamer mouse and keyboard combothe box is intended to upscale from 720-1080p like consoles do and it'll be way harder to feel it on a tv
>>7259775284k, 5k and 8k are a meme made by tv and computer monitor complains to convinces people to buy a new one every 5 years. Most people can't tell the different between 1440p and 4k at a optimal viewing distances. Same with frame rate 60 or 120 most people can only tell when it's choppy and the more overhead in the frame rate the less likely it is to stutter .
>>725978220deck was a handheld for casual games, an alternate form factorthis though is pretty useless to people already on steam unless they want that fuzzy feeling of having valve's guardrails protecting thembesides no one's forcing you to quit consoles cold turkey, you just tell your friends that you're moving and you don't buy games on the console unless you have to
>>725979087>besides no one's forcing you to quit consoles cold turkey, you just tell your friends that you're moving and you don't buy games on the console unless you have toThis is not even close to a realistic thing anyone does. The Gabecube would be a curiosity for these people at best, not their primary way to play games.
>>725976440>i think gyro is just as accurate as mouseyou mean wii infrared aimingmouse interacts with a physical surface so you have some kind of frame of reference, infrared wii aiming had the sensor bar to keep track of the aim, gyro has no frame of reference, no bar and no "base" position so it loses track of where it is when being waggled in mid air
>>725976313Yeah proton is neat as is but it can be a bit fussy. If they can tune it to work without any tinkering we have something here
are steam machines even bundled with a controller? whats the fucking price? impossible to say otherwiseits weaker than a ps5 so if it costs more than 500 dollas then its more than dead, its buried
>>725977051where did they say that?or did you look at the steam survey?
>>725952447It has a killer app with steam and the ability to run old games or use mods. On top of non paid internet access.For someone who just wants a prebuilt pc and a gaming one especially without dropping dosh for overpriced prebuilts, the gabecube is a valid option
>>725977614Controllers are cheap enough for me to not really worry about the price, as long as they don't do something completely retarded in that regard it's going to be fine.
>>725979328plenty of people have weaned themselves off consoles and now it'll be easier than ever with the gabecubejust tell your friends to move too, it's not a hard sell in the modern day, no one is really ideological for consoles anymore like they were during the ps3/xb360 days
>>725964484he's talking about games that have built in xinput (xbox controller) support, so like if you want your game to show xbox icons, you need a xinput deviced plugged in, but you can still use keyboard and mouse controls with it, so imagine youre basically using two inputs in one, the trackpads (and probably gyro) are using mouse controls while your ABXY buttons are using xbox controls.
>>725979803>it's not a hard sell in the modern day, no one is really ideological for consoles anymore like they were during the ps3/xb360 daysThis is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. You guys live in your own weird bubble where PC gaming is some huge thing that people are willing to switch to. The Japanese are like the only ones even making any sort of visible effort to do this on any large scale and that's solely because of Vtubers.
>>725980358literally anyone that plays games for even a half decent amount will be exposed to the superiority of pc through social mediayou're talking about ultra low information millennials that barely play games, they're the only group irrationally attached to consoles
>>725977614they will price the controller at $99 then bundle it with machine at $50 plus to make it look like a bargain
>>725980676>will be exposed to the superiority of pc through social mediaWhich they don't care about because it means having to swap their primary platform losing everything they've accrued. There's no reason to justify the purchase like a Sony user buying a Nintendo system or vice-versa because everything they want on PC is on consoles and the games they might want to play sometimes won't work if they jump to something like the Gabecube. There's still a barrier of entry even on something that looks user-friendly and brainless like a Steam Deck or the Gabecube. The superiority of PC gaming also doesn't matter in these situations because they have to jump through hoops to achieve those benefits which no normalfag is going to do. You think a normalfag is going to figure out how to mod games on Linux of all things when people already screw it up on Windows?
>>725952447I don’t know and i don’t care. I’ll buy it if it doesn’t cost an arm and a leg here in Australia. Pairs nicely with my switch 2. Computer parts here are criminal so i opted for a mac instead
>>725980358>>725981006PC gaming is much more popular than consoles in countries where people were too poor to anything during the era where consoles had advantages over PC. When these countries started becoming rich enough to have a middle class that could afford video games, they choose pc over console because they had no console culture driving people towards buying a console over a pc for video games. Consoles are a vestigal limb of a different time where pc as a platform hadn't yet fully matured when it came to gaming, in places like eastern europe where they were too busy with communism and then recovering from communism to buy consoles they skipped over that entire era, so when the time came to buy vidya they naturally gravitated towards pc gaming.
>>725955979>while being a weaker systemI'm not sure where fags get this? Is it because it has 8 gb of vram instead of 12? Lol? Also it has interchangable ram and ssd apparently
>>725981468because it is a 7600m although that should put it ahead of the weaker xbox
>>725981467Sure, but that's parts of Europe and some of Asia where net cafes are common so PC was more accepted there. In Japan and a majority of the west console gaming is still heavily prevalent if not the primary form of gaming even to this day. Even within Europe you can directly point to Playstation and FIFA as a major source of the revenue that comes from their regions.
>>725955961fallout 4 vr looks like trash no matter what because they removed 90% of the graphics and textures so that all the dumb niggers can crank the graphics up to "ultra" and not cry about it not running good
>steam hits intended audience>launch day thousands of normies boot it up>Ok STEAM, launch Call of Duty>ERROR!!!! ERROR!!! THIS IS LINUX RETARD YOU CAN'T PLAY GAMES THAT REQUIRE ANTICHEAT!>mass refunds, 1 star reviewsits coming lmao
>>725981006you're projecting your apathythe main reason people switch to pc is because of just how much shit you can do with them and the inherent freedom that comes with ityou're just giving too much credit to the window dressing of consoles and don't recognise how they're aiming to trap you
>>725981752more like>steam page has big red letters that say THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS GAME ARE FUCKING NIGGERS THAT HATE YOU AND WANT TO SPY ON YOU AND ARE BUTTHURT ABOUT LINUX PROTECTING YOU>they get complaints and game is playable within a day
>>725981752>>mass refunds, 1 star reviewsyou can instantly tell when epig shills come out to shit on the superior platform they don't use
>>725959116>He doesn't make it not soullessskill issue
>>725982036>AND WANT TO SPY ON YOU AND ARE BUTTHURT ABOUT LINUX PROTECTING YOUnothing to do with spying and protectingloonix faggots make up 90% of cheating crimes despite being 3% of the population
>>725982036>it works on my xbawx do... y not my gay cube?>refunds and buys xbawx cube instead
>>725982301enjoy your pc's chlamydiae
>>725979791and they won't probably, there will probably be some wake on connect solution with any controller that already has that functionality, but it'll be a shame because these controllers are pretty interesting.
>>725982036>they get complaints and game is playable within a dayUnlikely, Linux barely makes up 3% of steam users, why would a they care?
>>725981843>the main reason people switch to pc is because of just how much shit you can do with them and the inherent freedom that comes with itWhich normalfags don't care about. Again, I don't think you understand how the general public views PC gaming because you're talking about things they straight up do not care about or value in a console.Steam sales are not a big push because they get the same equivalent sales on consoles due to them being done at the same time. They're not going to care about Fanatical or Humble or Loaded because it's off-site and not legitimate so they won't get those deals.They don't care about the graphical advantage because it leads to them gaining performance issues.They're not going to care about older games because they're not going to set up something like Lutris or Junk Store to run stuff off of GOG or Epic Games or anything else.They're not going to care about piracy or emulation because illegal.This is the simple, basic reality of normalfags. The advantages you are praising are not even a consideration for them because it requires too much effort or offers no reason for them to leave what they already know behind. The PC-centric Europe side of things may see the value in this, but I personally do not see anyone but enthusiasts in America caring about this, especially since you have to go through Steam to even buy it as far as we know.It will have all the same issues getting people to adopt it that the Steam Deck has for the average normalfag.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0mC1gd-LlkThis is an example of a normalfag who is a bit unorthodox since she has a Steam account already going through the rigamarole of buying a Steam Deck through Steam and is willing to give something like it a chance and even she isn't wholly sold on it even though she likes it and will be buying more stuff on it. She was also someone who already had an existing Steam account to begin with. Now imagine the same scenario but with the Gabecube.
>>725979703straight from a valve engineer yazan talking about the system said that
>>725979703you can see it on /v/ lmao, every thread is someone raging and shitting their pants over their 1080i from 2 millenia ago not being able to run shit on the highest settings
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>>725982301yeah dumbass it's totally linuxjust ignore that if that were true then it would be a sheer fucking cliff in the data at the beginning of november 2024 and not a fluctuating curve
>>725982437if they're openly told that the slopmaker doesn't respect their freedoms their anger will not be targeted at valve>>725982736because they're on steam?valve is going to become less and less tolerant to linux hostility as time goes on
>>725952447Not really. I don't expect it to fail but don't think it will leave a noticeable mark on the console landscape same way the Deck didn't. Steam really isn't as present on the normie sphere as people thinks. My normie cousins that only play fortnite, GTA, CoD and Fifa don't even know what steam is when I mentione it.
>>725952662Yes, it's far, far superior. Trackpad (+ gyro) aim is only second to mouse accuracy and responsiveness and it's closer to the mouse side than to the stick side. Sticks are incredibly bad in comparison, though there certainly is a learning curve as well. Trackpads have the fundamental advantage that - like a mouse - they directly translate a physical movement on the control device into a movement in the game.If you want to turn around to aim behind you for example, on a stick you need to move the stick to one side, then wait while the character turns, then release the stick. With a mouse or indeed with a touchpad you can just swipe and turn around. This allows you to build muscle memory of the swipe movement and it's much more intuitive, the control device just maps movement to movement, rather than mapping a period of time to the movement like with an analog stick.>>725980358You realize PC gaming alone is about as big as all 3 console camps put together, right? It's immensely amusing to see a consolefag talk about bubbles when you're the one who has no idea what it's like out there. To the vast majority of people, gaming happens either on a phone or on a PC. Console fanboys live with blinders on and think they're on top of the world. Granted that doesn't mean all PC gaming is on Steam, because that certainly isn't the case, not by a long shot.
>>725987163>You realize PC gaming alone is about as big as all 3 console camps put together, right?Yes, I do. I never said PC gaming wasn't popular, I said it's not popular with normalfags, especially in the west. PC gaming is extremely popular is certain parts of Europe, Russia, South America, Korea, and China, but that's also because many of these places have net cafes or never got proper consoles due to various bans or censorship leading to Dendy or other Famiclones to happen.The thing you're not understanding is that to the major gaming markets (America, Japan, western Europe) consoles are still heavily popular and normalfags do not want to move away from it. The Gabecube likely not being sold in stores is going to be a major issue in actually being adopted, and then once competitors like Microsoft's upcoming Xbox come out which likely will be sold in stores how do you think it's going to sell crazy amounts? Be realistic here. Even if consolefags want to adopt PC gaming they're going to opt for that Xbox variant as it means playing their Xbox library they already own.
>>725987641Not the guy you're responding to but I am a Xbox user and can confirm that I own 50 games digitally plus 360 and og xbox games only half a dozen carry over to microsoft store play anywhere account. So without gamepass cloud gaming which I don't have or want, I can't play any of the others on pc. But playstation and nintendo users should be more likely to get the Gabecube if it's cheap enough. There are plenty of exclusive games on pc. If the next xbox wasn't rumoured to be a hybrid console pc and I wasn't online enough to know about the rumour and the gabecube hits the right price point I'd have been more interested. But I just bought a new laptop with 4050 in it which is good enough to last a couple years of light pc gaming.
>>725980358Moose, you're like 40, the average person under 30 doesn't really give a fuck about console war shit, and the average kid under 20 plays everything on their shitty phones and doesn't care about consoles or PC.The console wars are done and dusted, these days people just want the games and want to play with their friends, they don't care about the ecosystem outside of Nintendo because the exclusive ecosystem that existed pre-gen 8 is no longer a thing on the other consoles.
>>725990743Until they start selling this thing at Best Buy, Walmart, Target and Amazon they’ll never gain the traction PlayStation has. I’m sure the nextbox will be sold anywhere pc’s are not just through the Microsoft store and that’ll push it way ahead despite it’s price tag simply by the name being familiar to ppl over the last 20 years. As much as you love Steam and they may be the biggest name in pc gaming they are a small fish in a big pond come the console sphere of influence. Oh you don’t have a Steam account or know what it is you’ll probably be a console gamer, quite a few of them that will remain blissfully ignorant.
>>725952447The only big downside I would personally have with it is the controller. I hate it. I hated the one from the first steam box, too. And you know those controllers are like $100 of the overall price tag so it seems wasteful NOT to use. It's just an annoying situation.
>>725970962It's a mini pc not a console retardo
>>725973939Well if you agree with him, why are you being a raging console shitter?
>>725952447I don't, but it doesn't matter but Valve isn't a public company. They can produce what is right instead of what is quarterly most profitable.
At the very least it needs to play a bunch of old/classic games at a basic level, like 1080p 60 fps. Valve would also be smart to have it come with keys for games like Half-Life 2 or portal. I don't think this will be able to run the latest 100 gb modern GAAS slop but it should be built to run like 90% of indie games that become FOTM like Hades, Balatro, Megabonk, etc. Just shit that normies want to play but don't want to wait for console releases.
>>725973989Oh my god, this is the "you'll survive" and "Not really" tendie faggot. Literally will just throw his images and phrases into the filter and be done with it
>>725994112>>725973989
>>725952447No, it's a niche product and that's fine.
>>725971924This product isn't for you retard. It's for Little Timmy that wants to play some boomer ass PC game that became popular on tiktok with his friends and has no idea where to start. Instead of asking his mom to go to Best Buy and get upsold a $1200 overkill gaming rig that he still needs to configure with Steam, drivers, and typical windows bullshit you just order a $400 Gabecube from Valve and everything is set up for you ready to play.
>>725952447If it has a good price, it'll have its niche but it wont be killing the Xbox or Playstation like the internet is making it out to be. Remember when the Steam Deck was announced and everyone acted like it was going to kill the Switch despite the Deck not aiming for that audience at all and sold a fraction in comparison. Valve isn't making hardware to break into the console market its making hardware to encourage users to stick to the Steam ecosystem which is smart thing to do in the long run.
>>725968709IN THE STEAM FRAME
What's the likelyhood that these things are upgradeable? RAM? GPUs? CPUs?
>>725994813Only ram and SSD are upgradable as valve said but Idk maybe you can't brute force something into the console
>>725994813guy can upgrade the ram and storage
>>725994813
>>725994813You'll get stuttery games if there isn't fixed hardware.
>>725995132Is that the storage? It's on an SD card? Not NVME???
>>725995209Anon...
>>725995209It's 2230 or 40 NVME, but there's space to fit a 2280.
>>725995209It has a microSD card too
>>725964235>Valve: it won't be console-priced because it's a pcI know that's what they said, but it doesn't align with the reality of the market so they're gonna have to reconsider if they expect to actually sell any units.Almost everyone who might buy it will be thinking of it as a console. I'm never going to put this thing on my desk and plug a keyboard into it, so the fact that it can run Blender and Godot is irrelevant. It's going to go underneath my TV and play games, so it has to compete as a console.
>>725952447As people have said before, it all depends on the pricing, if it can compete with gaming laptops and a similarly spec'd ITX PC then it will sell like hotcakes, especially in the current fucked up PC market, otherwise it'll just be dead on arrival like the old Machines.
>>725995486>2 TB or 512 GBNow I'm definitely retarded when it comes to PCs, but are these slots built so they can only handle two sizes? It's not like a regular SSD drive where you can buy whatever SSD size you want and plug it into the slot? Or do they not make NVMEs that go bigger than 2 TB?
>>725995526The problem with it being just a computer is that if they set the price too low non-gamers will buy it.
>>725954762>normie-targeted advertisinginstead they went for the 'ick on 'eck ad campaign, odd decision
>>725995812You can use any nvme SSD. Those are just the two capacities they're selling.
>>725973517>Loves nintendo>This means going into threads not related to Nintendo and shitting them up>confirms that tendies are mentally ill cultists to more of the boardYou know what, based for making more people aware of the mentally ill cultists that are tendies
>>725995921Could partially mitigate that by only selling it as a bundle with a controller and Steam credit.
>>725952447Prolly not. But if I had money and a kid who wanted a gaming PC, I could see myself getting this for them.
>>725996119Yeah the machine seems primarily targeted at zoomers, I have a little cousin I'd like to get this for if I could, assuming the pricing isn't retarded.
>>725955757>console only thinks to themselves "I would like to try computer game, but what good computer to play game?">goes to steam website because thats where all the games are>they see a box that will guaranteed play games on steam and they dont need to think about anything>the box also has a simple OS like their consoles so they dont get overwhelmed by a desktop screen or god forbid, a filesystem>they buy the box>they play steam games>they are happy >one more person in the steam ecosystem and also not using windows
>>725953186It's a mini pc not a snoysole needing Onions of Estrogen 5 exclusive
>>725952447>Do you guys actually believe this thing will take off?I initially thought the Switch 2 was gonna flop and got proven wrong and before that people were buying playstations without optical media drives despite having made fun of Xbox users just a few years ago for losing that feature, the irony flew over their heads for sure. Heck never mind gayming hardware, people are still buying dumb shit like smart fridges with giant screens and microphones built in them and then act surprised when Samsung or LG starts forcing them to watch ads before they can get themselves a glass of milk or eggs.The Gabecube will be a huge success, ignore people with rational arguments stating otherwise.
>>725953058This. Everything they've been doing lately is to make the process as painless as possible for people either too reluctant or intimidated. They're already a multi billion dollar company that prints millions daily doing the least, this is all for linux exposure and expanding the steam ecosystem.
This black obelisk is considerable weak and slower than a normal PS5 released 5 years ago.
>>725997628Proof? Is because it has 8 gb vram instead of 12?
>>725952447if it's priced above 600 bux it's gonna be DOA, valve needs to show they are serious about making inroads in the console space so they are gonna have to eat shit for a while and price the new steam machine around 450-550 to lure the normies
>>725997406>this is all for linux exposureWhy are they pushing Linux so hard? Is it simply because they're worried about Microsoft becoming terminally enshittified and taking the whole PC gaming industry with them?
>>725995209Please be bait please be bait please be bait
>>725952447it wont outsell the xbox but it def have a pretty considerable market size, like with the steam deck. this thing wont sell more than 5 mil units, and most of the people are buying are existing pc gamers just buying it for their living room tv
>>725998298Exactly that. Windows 8 was the wakeup call for them.
No because nobody wants steam os and you can't play fortnite on it so it'll sell to a niche audience but never become mainstream. The windows equivalents will inevitably have 100x the marketshare.
If they had focused on making it a console to keep the price low it might have had a chance
>>725998298yes, during windows 8, microsoft was hinting that they wanted to do a walled garden app approach like apple does with iOS, luckily, microsoft also realized that it was going to be a disaster for them that way but it made valve scared and not trust the future for windows anymore, this is unironically the best way to keep microsoft on their feet again (despite windows 11 still sucking ass but its still better than the walled garden approach)
>>725998298Essentially, yes. Gabe specifically isn't a fan of Microsoft in general but is also worried that if Microsoft has complete control of the PC landscape for the general consumer they can push things like they were trying with either 8 or 10 with the .exe verification that has to go through their storefront to be verified in the name of "safety". They're paranoid they're going to have to acquiesce to Microsoft's demands and it'll actively harm Steam and consumers as a whole. It's why Valve is so hell bent on trying to make Linux good for the average user and is doing payouts for fixing basic things that have gone unfixed or unregulated for decades simply because there was no push for it or no monetary incentive to spend all that time and effort doing so.What they're doing is fantastic for the consumer and is bringing us into a world where Linux is getting better and better every day and far more viable for even the most basic consumers that want to attempt using it without hassle. It's insane that Microsoft has spent all this time kicking the can down the road in terms of the overhead and nonsense Windows has to deal with under the hood whereas Linux now has Proton and so much less overhead because they locked stuff like that down early on.
>>725952447No, but you can't stop chimping-out over it.
>>725978220I don't really get the physical game argument here.Most games have day 1 patch anyways, what is physical about a game you install before playing for the first time anyways?and I am not even talking about the shit nintendo is pulling with their games.
>>725998571it's for extra storage I think,you get 1 tb nvme on board
>>725999275>keep microsoft on their feet againthey are planning to take screenshots of your screen and send them to microsoft, are forcing ai tools down the throats of people, and making the performance worse by every update.what part of this is "keeping microsoft on their feet" exactly?
>>726000101That is the onboard nvme
>>726000235i meant in the context of forcing an app monopoly like Apple does with their app store, microsoft is still trying really hard to push consumers into downloading apps from the microsoft store, buy PC games from the Xbox app, but realizing they cant just flip the switch yet because everyone is still downloading and running applications from your web browser. i said it still sucks ass because of that, but it will probably keep Microsoft checked if SteamOS keeps getting better
Hard to say, but with how ridiculous the market is for components at times it could be if they can sell it where the price isn't too high. You can have most of the benefit of a 'console' in them buying all of it in bulk and passing some of that discount to you but you can still use it for mouse and keyboard games and Proton allows you to play a lot of older games very well nowadays. You can change out both the RAM and storage right? I'm really curious how well this thing will perform thermal-wise. At the very least this will probably do better than whatever Xbox is doing kek
>>726000584I think the real balance needs to be that, these machines won't be bought by farms because they are too cheap
If its 300 to 400 yes.
>>725999959>I don't really get the physical game argument here.Parents want to buy games for their kids. They don't want to give kids a gift card as that is viewed by basically everyone as you not caring about the gift you are giving the person and putting very little effort into it. It allows for birthday and Christmas gifts to be something more special than just a piece of cardboard that says what you got.Physical is also a very important part of window shopping as you can see the physical box, turn it around, and see an overview of the game, its features, and some screenshots of the game while you are in the store. Regardless, if you put eyes on it or not it leads to the general public knowing of the platform and games because the sections in B&Ms are fairly large. It's an essential part of marketing consoles or console-like systems and when you are reduced to small amounts it's harder for you to get more visibility to the general public.>what is physical about a game you install before playing for the first time anyways?The fact that if push comes to shove you still have the game? Day one patches are not necessary in basically all cases to complete the game and the whole point of physical ownership is that you can play it offline on any system even if it's been removed from the digital service without any say by the platform owner. Even if it's installing the game digitally the game is still on your disk.
>>726001008>Parents want to buy games for their kids.damn, being in poor country really cucked me I guess.I have never ever seen anyone buy a game to someone else before.
All I want out of the Steam Machine is to set a baseline for PC spec expectations. If a game runs like shit and your PC is below the spec of a Steam Machine, you're officially in toaster land.
>>725953301Joystick tasks like what? If you need continuous turning, you designate the outer edge of the trackpad to maintain the swipe speed you initiated prior to reaching it.
>>725952447nofor it to take off, the people who want a plug & play device to play the latest games need to buy it. the games they want to play are things like LOL, Valorant, BF, COD, Fortnite, GTA, none of which work. the price is inconsequential
>>725971290deck is $349 and isn't a success; it's still nicheworse than mainstream portable flops
>>725952447It's just a deck without the screen, something I wish Nintendo would do with the Switch 2 so it didn't have to cost $500, but in the case of Steam you can play their games on any PC, there's no exclusivity unlike with Nintendo.
>>726001507>LOL, Valorant, BF, COD, Fortnite, GTAAll of which are on pc? Are you retarded?
>>726001882i think he means those don't work on proton
>>725952447Can you like make a simple steam OS install USB drive and put it in any random PC build smoothly yet? I imagine that's what they're creeping towards.
>>725952662touchpad is marginally better but you have the drawback of your zero point not being automatically reset like when you release a stick. It requires a fair amount of training and configuration to get a feel for resetting your position.That said, just utilizing a responsive flat surface feels pretty good if the ergonomics are right. You can use a lighter touch.Gyros super intuitive for aiming, its just the mental load of turning it off/on and resetting position on need that needs to be trained.At the very least its a fun different way to play fps if you've grown a bit tired of a certain game. Gyro aiming + machine guns is kino.The fault of the original steam controller was that the default configuration didnt use touchpads well it all. Left was a click in d pad by default in most games which was fucking terrible. if they leaned into them completely replacing sticks and utilizing rear buttons it would have had more uptake. But you can achieve all this with configuration.Looks like theyve decided to compromise by putting everything in.
>>726001882all of which are not compatible with Steam OS. Are you retarded?
tbqh desu sales from console players finally hitting the steam marketplace will more than make up for any loss. So sell the bitches at 299
>>726004692like nintendo, valve is too prideful to sell its hardware at a loss
Can you guys see Linux is the future of gaming. Windows sucks now and is bloated. most games are already compiled in UNIX like environments, Ps5 forked from freeBSD or something like that. I use Linux. 90% of win games already run flawlessly under proton. Its really just the anti cheat games. i think they work better in under proton then under win-11
>>726005137>the anti cheat gamesSurely they'll abandon their kernel raping ways once enough customers switch to linux.
>>725952447depends on the price. i'm thinking of getting one for my mom so she can play my steam library. if it's $400 I'm going to instabuy, but more expensive than that and I don't think so.
It's anymore than $500 it's just as dead as steam machines.
>>726005031They sold the steam deck at a lose, disingenuous retard.
>>725952447Steam Deck is evidently doing well enough for Valve to greenlight this, so I'm sure it will. Especially with the inevitable valve refurb program.
>>726005616They didn't sell them at a loss, retard. Gabe said reaching the $399 price point was painful, but he never said they took a loss.
>>726004692>So sell the bitches at 299They will just get scalped by people buying it for non-gaming purposes. You can sell consoles at a loss because only gamers buy them, but the steam machine isn't locked down.
>>726005894Not that poster but a quick search
>>726006029ai fag go kys
>>726006029>chatgpt told me that means it's true
>>726005917They could limit purchases per account for a period of time, it’s easier to deal with when you are the only place to get them initially
>>726006029>the cost is estimated to be around $330 which exceeds the $399 retail priceWhat
>>726005894>faggot liesWhy do you get out of lying? Genuinely asking
>HL3 Announced>Steam Machine is bundled with it, along with the previous HL games >Also available in Gamestop / Walmart>Advertise it on the SuperbowlI highly doubt they will do all of this, but if they do, it will absolutely sell insanely well. They already have the enthusiast audience that has Gaming PC's, now they need to aggressively go for the normie audience that only play on consoles
>>726006217Post source or kill yourself.
>>726006029>AIAnd when you click the link it says exactly what I posted: Gabe said reaching the point was painful. He didn't say Valve sell Steam Deck at a loss, or Valve lose money from each unit.Now sleep on the fact you just humiliated yourself because you believed AI without checking the source or any degree of critical thinking. FFS just take a look at the crap you posted. "COGS around $330 which exceeds $399." AI is retarded and so are you.
>>725952447Don't really care but the timing isn't in their favor with the RAM prices skyrocketing.
>>726006296kys faggot literally everyone who up until its release knew about it being sold at a loss. Suck start a shotgun bitch
The idea that 70% of steam users have worse gpu than 3060 is pretty sadlike, how unproductive can they be to not afford anything better
>AI jeetremember that only indians hate Valve and Steam this much to post about them 24/7
>>726006514Maybe the problem is there aren't any games worth getting something better for.
>>726006493Go ahead, prove me wrong. You could easily post a source, why don't you?
>>726006493lol you lost ESLjeet
>>725952447No, it's a shitty prebuilt PC not an aircraft
>>726006642>>726006662>Underhanded historical revisionismK. I'll cheer when you finally blow your brains out faggot
>>726006668shitty prebuilt PC that is better than 70% of what Steam users useIt's also a good starting point for consolefags who want to escape their abusive relationship
>>726006726Why can't you post proof? What is stopping you?
>>726006726>also a phoneposterlmao, kys jeet
>>726006772WrongThe most popular is a 3060 which still shits on valves little outdated box
>>726006779>>726006813Have fun suicide statistic
>>725982301The thing is, they made linux anticheat that was worse than their windows one, and it made cheating on linux easier, there was info that some cheaters even played on windows while pretending they are using linux/steam os. Basically they enabled linux support without making their anticheat robust (not that they could even have parity with windows anticheat without touching the linux kernel itself as i understand)
I'll buy one so my girlfriend can play coop games with me. Right now she is just on my steam deck so a good amount of games arent really fun to play handheld. This will make it easier
>>726006862Any reason why you have to have a meltdown instead of just calmly explaining why you can't post a source to back your argument up?
all depends on the price
>>726006950like all things in life
>>725952447It depends entirely on the price. If it's cheap enough it might be popular among kids/teens.Valve could definitely afford to sell it at a loss if they want to, or at least at-cost.
>>725952447If it's $600 at most, it has a chance. Price is the big thing here.
>>726006825>4.3%Like I said, better than 70% of what Steam users have for hardware
>>726006772Yeah because the thing the console guys looking to jump ship a year before next gen comes is one that’s weaker at times than the current gen box and squinting into the distance trying to see next gen
>>726006862that's all you can do, lil bitch? empty threats and no source? kek, india isn't sending their best today
>>726007097>xbox players waiting for the next gen
>>726007062I'm certain you are going by vram amount when this steam shit box is going to be probably one of the weakest 8gb vram GPUs there is, and it's "for 4k".It's going to sell well just like the barely stronger than a switch steam deck just because of brand loyalists and quirky redditors
>>726007097counter argument - do you really think either Sony or Xbox will have ANYTHING of note besides GTA that will make their console sell like hotcakes? current gen is laughing stock which sold worse than previous gen somehow
>>726007309Half Life 3 will make everyone jump the ship, Steam Cube will be a success
There's two issues I see with this console, first is that you have convince devs to optimize their games for your console as they do for PS5, Xbox and Switch 2, else they will run worse than they should.Second is that is releasing at the end of the current generation, so it being sightly weaker than a PS5 or Series X right now is not much of an issue but we'll see how much weaker it is compared to the next generation, depending on the price the saving grace could be being a far more economical option than the rest, but the Switch 2 kinda takes up that place already of being a more budget friendly less powerful console with the plus of being portable
>>726007854they already don't optimize for PC at all other than to have a long list of performance settings. steamcube isn't a brand new console that developers will optimize for (or maybe they will if it ends up super popular), it's just an affordable prebuilt PC to play your steam library without having to drop $1.2k+ on a spyware-filled windows 11 jeetmachine.
>>726006630Yeah there's no point upgrading for some 7/10 unoptimized garbage
>>725952447It won't. Bad marketing, bad campaign, weaker than PS5. It won't win the console market, it won't win the PC market. Consolefags have brand loyalty to Sony and Nintendo and PC fags like me prefer higher specs and more freedom. I expect a minor flop.
>>726006514we still don't need anything more. anything past 1080p 30fps graphics is luxury, and they're not improving things with better hardware anyway, they're just using that hardware as an excuse to not optimize their games. and the real problem either way is that they keep forcing OS downgrades into judeo-government-surveilled, globalist-compromised systems via completely arbitrary and unnecessary planned obsolescence and people just let them get away with it.
>>726008832depending on the price, this could end up bringing hundreds of millions of third worlders to the PC market. take that as you will.
>>725958248>>725955919Worth noting other mini PCs don't have massive heatsinks or fans, so they'll typically get throttled badly. Windows also still runs so shittily on ARM that Linux even through its 13 stacked compatibility layers outperforms it by 10~20%, so Valve's is likely to run competitively despite the questionable hardware specs.
>>726009061Turd worlders are already on the PC market. Look at the average steam specs.
>>726008832It's not made to fight the PS5 and Xbox Series X|S, but it's sure as hell going to make Sony and Microsoft look like retards come next gen given their consoles will be priced higher than this, same with the Steam Deck 2 vs their handhelds next gen. Next gen is going to be about affordability and sorry, but Nintendo and Valve are going to win that battle.
>>726009320those are just the chinese and some huehues. imagine a steambox in the household of every brown in america, every south american, every indian.
>>726008989>anything past 1080p 30fps graphics is luxuryGod I hope you're trolling, 30fps is unplayable
>>726009681You're not a professional FPS player. It's perfectly fine and you only pretend to notice the difference, and only when you're directly told one is 30fps and one is 60+
