I installed and played Final Fantasy XIII and I'm still stunned and speechless. Not because it's good, but because it's boring as hell.You fight enemies repeatedly in corridors. The combat is almost automatic. What a horrible experience.However, I liked FFXV, but XIII is simply unplayable.This must be a game that has aged EXTREMELY badly.
>>725955015yeah, ff13 is terrible, ff13-2 and ff13-3 are great though, they listened to the complains and made the experience better
>>725955015It's fun from the end of chapter 9 onward if you're going full DPS at the cost of survivability and have to use your brain to figure out how to kill enemies without being killed first.But otherwise it's shit, yes. Especially the entire game up to that point.
>>725955015>This must be a game that has aged EXTREMELY badly.it was always hated, even in 2009 lol
I hate it. One of my worst gaming experiences.
>>725955015the only good thing this game provided was a funni spoony review, but that's pretty much ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ys9YNgBE28
>>725955015isn't it another one of those "aw dood it gets good 80 hours in" type games where basically the entire story is just a prolonged tutorial and the only challenging content is the post-game type stuff before the final boss
>>725958815yes, they always say "it gets good after grand pulse" but to me I found it got worse lool
>>725958909i could see them trying to imitate FFX which is pretty much identical but at least it does have some challenging boss encounters near the last quarter or so of the story
>>725955015You have to play the first 40 hours, then it gets good
Yeah I came to the same conclusion when I finally played it front to back. Game is mostly just extremely boring, even once things get better later on gameplay wise it's still not an engaging system. Plot and characters have mostly nothing going on for the majority.
>spam Rav until % high>spam Com>do this for every fight>if you ever lose a fight, there's no consequence, you just spawn in front of the fight and do it again>nothing to see or do in the corridors besides combat>yet combat is so shallow that the devs made auto battle the first option in the menu
>>725955015FINALLY a good thread!
>>725959390This. Nice graphics though I guess but even then it's got kind of a tranny aesthetic going on
>>725955015>aged EXTREMELY badlyno, it was shit when it first released as well.
I'm listening to the soundtrack nonstop and it's so fucking good, I'm really having cravings to play the games, are they good?I've heard they suck, but I've heard many shitty opinions about games of that era, it's like people hate all games in that period.
>>725964224>I'm really having cravings to play the games, are they good?ff13 is really a garbage game, ff13-2 and ff13-3 are genuinely good though>I'm listening to the soundtrack nonstop and it's so fucking goodyep, Masachi Hamauzu is my favorite composer, you should check out his group "Imeruat", there's a lot of bangers in there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edhpdsnFE64
This game was the 9/11 of final fantasy
>>72596422413 is great, 13-2 is alright, 13-3 is an acquired taste.
Didn't like it on release, remembered liking the late game so I replayed it this year, it was much worse than I remembered. The combat system has potential but doesn't really see that until the late-post-game.The corridor story segment which is the first 75% of the game was a shameless slog, so tedious and the storytelling is abysmal.The final boss battle was good so there's that.I did love XIII-2 but I'm scared to get into that after this experience, never played LR
>>725964830>This game was the 9/11 of final fantasyit was ff12 imo, this game has literally no story, like bruh no stories on a ff game are you kidding me??
>>725964224nowhere as bad as made out to be, but the first one is very constricted
>>725955015This game being so bad was the incident that caused Final fantasy to become a Millennial series as it repulsed the early Zoomers.Add in the lengthening period of time between games and 15 being seen as a meh 8/10 which failled to bring the now teenage zoomers into the franchise, led right up to FF16 being how it is in a desperate attempt to get anyone over the age of 28 to give a shit about Final Fantasy.
I don't understand how anyone can prefer XIII-2, the main quality of XIII is the combat system and it's dumbed down to hell in 2.Lightning Returns is great, however.
>>725964830nah it was ffx-2, when they ruined Yuna it was the moment I felt Square's golden age was gone
>>725964224I'm playing the ff13 for the first time and personally think it's awesome, I've played 30 hours now.
>>725965267*under the age of 28
PLAY LIGHTNING RETURNSPLEASE EXPERIENCE THIS GAMES GAMEPLAY
>>725965268>the main quality of XIII is the combat system and it's dumbed down to hell in 2.I thought 13-2 has a better battle system, it felt more dynamic it had less dead time
>>725965268-2 traded off making the combat worse in order to get to the games gran pulse sections way earlier. Deep gameplay means nothing if you can't use it and 13-2 let you use its gameplay more.
>>725955015>However, I liked FFXV15 is an even bigger pile of shit
>>725965035FF12 is great and has aged well, I played through ZA last year and had a blast. The story is dull but it's compensated for with a great setting and gameplay, there's a lot of depth and charm there. I thought the sidequests were a bigger draw than the main story but I can see how somebody would interpret this as an offline MMORPG wikislop
>>725965268Poor bait. XIII-2 perfected what the Paradigm Shift system was designed to be. If you're talking about that Pokemon collecting system, that's just a gimmick. It doesn't drag down or ruin the gameplay, it just works.
>>725955015I hate it too, but I blame character, the made her an all perfect hero. It's unbelievable that she's able to drop to the ground Snow which it tall and muscular as a Behemoth with just a single slap.She has no depth at all.From the trilogy, the one I like the most is FFXIII-2, the one where Lightning appears less.FFXIII - LR also sucks because it's anxiety inducing.
>>725965665Both the pokemon collecting system and the fact that there is zero challenge whatsoever. Both thinking about your paradigms and doing paradigm shift at the right timing for an ATB refresh felt much more useful and needed due to more challenging fights in XIII, while XIII-2 I just coasted without even trying.
>>725965837>I hate it too, but I blame character, the made her an all perfect hero.that's funny because I believe Lightning is the only non retarded character of the cast, she has this "I can't believe I'm surrounded by those retards" vibe and I completly relate to her, like her I would be pissed off if my little sister would date such a braindead subhuman like snow
>>725965837LR only seems stressful until you realize that game over just means NG+ and that you're intended to not beat the game on your first run. It's supposed to be a compounding experience.
>>725965837>it's anxiety inducing.I don't get why, it's so easy to cheese the game and have enough time to lurk on the world peacefully
>>725965656I think I'm harsh on ff12 because I can definitely see the potential, with a better story this game would've been amazing :(
>>725965998lightning spends the first 3rd of the game being retarded too>I would be pissed off if my little sister would date such a braindead subhuman like snowshe was completely in the right here though yeah
>>725958978X lets you do all kinds of shit before it even "opens up" when you get the airship, not to mention before you even get to the calm landsXIII's entire progression and equipment system is basically unusable until you have everyone in pulse and can actually get the material to go past +2 on weapons, there's zero other shit to fuck around with and the crystarium before that point is all just a single spiral pattern for every job
>>725965035FF12 was peak, story, world and all. Not sure what game you played? Are you some kind of fag that needs a romance drama every game or something?
>>725965035FF12 had a decent story but then you pivot away from it for like 12-15 hours spent in literally two dungeons at the end of the game because the original director+writer had a fucking meltdown and they just put raw uncompressed gameplay to connect the dots between the other three scenes they had done to piece it together and ship it out
>>725966605>uh aktually, focusing on 2 random kids that have nothing to do with the war was peak storytellingahah nice bait, have your (You)
>>725965920My memory of XIII-2 is vague but I don't recall the game being a cakewalk. There was plenty of challenge alrigh, just not as hardcore as other FFs that came before it. There were also DLC bosses that I never fought so I can't comment on those.
>>725955015You are boring as hell, asshole
>>725966832XIII-2's difficulty came from getting all the alternate ending which allowed you to either face the challenges as they come or come back later to fight them then.
>>725965998I think Sazh could be the main character: He's the drama, the quest, and his story follows up.I think it's time for Square do a main FF with a Black guy. Vanille and Fang also could be the main character if they didn't get to go full crystal in the end of FFXIII.>>725966074Nah, I disagree, I like to play my RPG's without time constraints and explore every piece of the map meticulously . I was able to even get like 5 or 6 days from Yggdrasil challenge, but I don't like replaying game, and counting the fact that if you lost a fight to the boss you would like lose 6 hours in the game. It's not fun playing with a guide to reach the superboss.Also does anyone have this updated chart with Noctis and Clive?
>>725955015You've upset a lot of troons with this post
>>725967313>pircelwhy...
>>725955015it's fine if you get invested in its characters and setting, the whole fabula nova chrystalis thing has great lore, it also has good music and the combat system is actually pretty good after you fully unlock everything it's also hilarious how batshit insane the storyline become with its sequels, the second game is about time traveling and the third one is Majora's Mask with Valkyrie Profile-like combat where you put on different dresses to fight and in the end the protagonist becomes God
>>725955015ff13 rules, this is a weak muppet tier take. it was definitely an experiment on how to pull off a "cinematic" experience while still having some sort of strategy and sense of exploration--and it doesn't quite pull it off. but as a big weird kingdom hearts via ff7 uber gay final fantasy game it kind of works. the combat is awesome. the characters are good if a bit "FF by numbers."the ff7 remakes feel like they were a direct continuation of the ff13 trilogy
>>72595530113-2 is only very slightly better but still a shit gameLightning Returns is somehow even worse than XIII
>>725966605>StoryIt's shit. The whole thing is political scheming that has nothing to do with the main party until the final dungeon, where Vayne drops all subtlety and fucking transforms into mecha bahamut and it's retarded as shit>WorldIvalice as presented in XII is dull as shit. It completely coasts on using the name of a world built up in better games
>>725968054>Lightning Returns is somehow even worse than XIII
>>725968391It's awful>Gameplay is some terrible middle step between XIII/-2 and an ARPG and isn't good at either>Story is somehow even more retarded than XIII-2's>Continues to not have a single likeable character in the cast>Enemies no longer give exp, so they have to put a penalty on running away to force you into fighting them just to waste your time>Enemies are on the overworld but fucking spawn two feet in front of you so they might as well be random encounters>Only way to level up is to do sidequestsEasily the worst Final Fantasy game ever made. Fucking awful
>>725967846>the whole fabula nova chrystalis thing has great lorethe issue is that you have to read long ass texts on the option menu to see it, that's retarded, I don't play video games to read a digital book, if they felt it was important to implement they should've added that to the cutscenes (and they could've done it since the vast majority of cutscenes are completly bland and useless)
>>725967846>the whole fabula nova chrystalis thing has great loreIf they had separated these games from the main series, they probably would have received much better praise.The main series obviously ends with X, no title beyond X benefited by being titled under the main series convention and the decision to do so has caused irreparable damage the the series legacy and the legitimacy of the newer games to be judged on their own merit
>>725968895>The main series obviously ends with Xfacts, sakaguchi basically killed the series by going the movie route and made such a flop he got money issues and shit and had no choice but to merge with Enix...
>>725967846>the third one is Majora's MaskDon't insult Majora's Mask like that
>>725968812>>Continues to not have a single likeable character in the castyou didn't like Lightning being all tsun tsun with the side characters? I thought it was funny when she had to go to a date to get some informations
>>725968812>>Only way to level up is to do sidequestswhich was fine to me because the sidequests were actually fun to go along
>>725955301FF13 has the best combat system, though. It just sucks that the full system doesn't unlock until dozens of hours in. 13-2 does better being open from the start but having to have a monster involved is annoying and suboptimal (also the crystariums suck).
>>725955015>This must be a game that has aged EXTREMELY badly.It's the entry that killed the FF hype and turned it from the standard of JRPGs to just another series
>>725955015I've tried to play exp grinders recently but it's just not fun when your old as fuck like me.
>>725965268The story being told chronologically (incredibly ironic given it's a time travel story) goes a long way to fixing 13's problem with endless flashbacks and jargon.The level design is also loads better given that it's not just corridors. There's a city! Not much to do in it, but it's a city!The best playing order is 13-2, read the LN, 13, LR.
>>725969715>FF13 has the best combat systemabsolutely notXIII/XIII-2 is awful autocombat mashing with some paradigms switch to heal/buff&debuff, and LR is like >>725968812 describedcombat wise the entire trilogy is to be forgotten
>>725970373Anon I just wanna say I agree with you completely before someone jumps in and accuses you for not playing/beating the game. It is autobattle shit and you can reliably get through the main story using that and a rote order of paradigms in every fight
>>725970373I meant, of the trilogy, 13 had better combat (more peak combat, technically), than 2 and LR. And I think that's true. LR's combat is creative but I think 13 is peak ATB.>>725970548Low skill floor, high skill ceiling.I think that's a good thing.
