Super Metroid if it was made today
Video games are depressing enough without making up stuff to be sad about.
>>725956406THE PRINCESS HAS BEEN CAPTURED!!!!
>Whoa, what the frick? Did that monkey just jump from wall to wall?! Samus, maybe you can try the same thing!
>>725955934hahahaha true
>>725956406Kek
Ridley is a very stupid name for a villain.
>>725956796>That big frickin literal DRAGON is named RIDLEY? That sounds more like the name of an office manager than a space pirate... You know what? Y-yeah. Yeah that's terrifying. Nevermind.
>>725957059needs controls in bottom right corner
I love this stupid shit
I'm lazy. Could I get a timestamped link to this character everyone's complaining about? Thanks.
>>725956406OH MY PHYSICAL MEDIA TUTORIALIZATION
What the FUCK NINTENDO
>>725956406I agree. Games shouldn't hold your hand. Remember when games were good and you could get the satisfaction of figuring out WTF to do all by yourself after wasting hours of your time trying everything?
Mary? Where the fuck are you!?
>>725958374I think the best argument against this kind of cunty behavior is just the acknowledgement that it's always the same 3 games used as a poster child for why they hated old games. The other 2000 are always conspicuously omitted.
>>725957916You think that most people who bought N64 games kept the manual considering the box it came in was cardboard?
>>725958374Literally ONE game you dishonest faggot
>>725955934>Looked up some gameplayI thought this was hyperbole, what the fuck
>>725958703luckily they didn't, or their parents threw it in the trash, so now my psa graded N64 collection is worth millions
>Hey, Raziel? Bro? That whole revenge aura you’ve got? Yeah, let’s tone that down and be real here.
>>725958558
>>725957916>>725958150Manuals were optional.By the way, didn't Zelda had a guide where they told "Use this booklet only when you cannot proceed" or something along those lines?I remember seeing something like this but I'm not sure where.
>>725959576Manuals were NOT optional. You were expected to read them to learn how to play the game. Super Metroid infamously has a bridge people playing on emulators can't get past because they don't have a manual and don't know how to dash.
>>725955934>USE THE BOOST TO GET THROUGH
>>725955934use the prime font!https://fontstruct.com/fontstructions/show/1124611/logbook_prime_v1
>>725959931They were.As a matter of fact, I never had an original SNES game. Just looked into Options menu.
>>725958374>satisfaction of figuring out WTF to do all by yourself after wasting hours of your time trying everything?kino, wish i was a kid with friends again and we try figuring out this shit
>>725958703Maybe not, but you still read the manual in the car ride on the way home after buying it.
>>725959931I played Super Metroid on SNES when I was 7 years old and never used a manual because my uncle just gave me the cartridge. I did just fine.
>>725959576>>725959931I don't really think that is the point, the point is that manuals at worst are a one and done option that doesn't tarnish the game itself. Manuals are completely separate experiences where you could enjoy the story snippits and artwork, or skip straight to controls, or completely ignore them. At the end of the day, the pacing of the game itself didn't need to be bogged down or ruined to accommodate impatient retards and PEBCAK. Forcing this shit into games itself was one of the worst decisions the industry has ever made because it made every beginning instance of games a monumental waste of time upon replay. All because it needed to accommodate what, subhumans who can't read?
>feel arpg itch>don't want to touch poe or d2 this time around>see wh40k arpg>might as well>system upon systems upon systems upon systems of retarded useless mechanics>fluff side missions and rng campaigns disguised as "content">seasonal mechanics>daily/weekly quests that give you retarded shitholy bloatslop, guess I'll never be off from poe/d2 I guessis gd any good?
>>725959931It depends on the game. Some genuinely had critical information the player was unlikely to figure out on their own, and some contained the entire premise/storyline, but the vast majority of the time the manual just listed the controls and had some simple advice that people could figure out for themselves within a few minutes.
I think one important thing of note is that games used to have actual game manuals that taught you the game as well as some basic lore (not that I ever really read them). Now that game manuals don't exist and longer the games themselves are expected to teach you how to play everything.
>>725962109This guy gets it.
>>725961575this unlocked a memory for me of riding home after getting destroy all humans and telling my mom about the anal probe while reading the manual
>>725958374exploration is required after all.
>>725958374you didn't have to figure out shit. most of that shit was detailed in the manual. all they did was add interactive tutorials to games
>>725959576old games were stuffed with cryptic secrets to sell guides and get people to call overpriced tip lines. it's not that they weren't handholdy it's that devs were being scummy in a bid to get your money
>>725962296They can do that without a faggot hovering over your shoulder telling you what to do.
>>725959989Bless anon, didn't know about this font.Will do another meme if I have the time.
>>725955934op is confirmed faggot
>>725958374HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW????
>>725955934>Making up things to get mad atdelete this website
>>725956406Wait... but how do I move Mario?
>>725966903we laffin'
OoTsnoys are seething at new Metroid games too now? BoTW Derangement Syndrome is one hell of a drug.
>>725963945Super Metroid is a masterclass game but I HATED the wall jumping. Mega Man X did it better.
>>725955934Lacks the fingerless glove meter, semen tracker and blood oxygenation levels.
>>725966818WTFFFFF NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY FIGURE THIS OUT
>>725956796It's based on Ridley Scott and Alien.
>>725959487WHAT THE FUCK MARY YOU JOINED KU KLUX KLAN?
>>725959931Manuals existed to try and read on the car ride home with only brief moments of the street lights illuminating them enough to read one word at a time.
>>725955934>MackenzieWho?
You retards love making up stupid scenarios to get mad at.
>>725955934>NERDY, ISN'T IT?
>>725956796I think the fact it's the name of an insane space dragon that has only ever been depicted as a screeching retard is even worse.That dumb animal should not be a top-ranking space pirate. He's barely even sentient.
>>725957028*record scratch*Well, THAT just happened!
>>725959012It's funny how many shitposting notes this guy hits, like they wanted to make sure to include every trope people hate about these kinds of characters.
>"These Chozo bozos sure loved looking at themselves"
>>725962163Grimdawn is pretty damn good and what's more importantfun
>>725967620He is a NPC from Metroid Prime 4.An engineer who doesn't stop talking and do Marvel-like jokes.Already hated by (almost) everyone.
>>725956631>MegawomynThey already did that.
>>725969478I like him.
>>725970579you just like him because everyone else hates him.
>>725970468More reason to trash on intislop
>>725959931there's actually a part of super metroid you will only learn how to get past if you leave the game idle on the opening menu and watch the splash screens
You guys should play Fading Afternoon if you're tired of games telling you where to go and what you should do. Genuinely made me feel relieved playing a game like that, without being stupidly jejune either about secret events and such like old games could be.
>>725971491Eru a cute tho.
Looks like someone's getting paid to remove Myles threads
>>725955934>>725956406I truly miss when games didn't hold your hand the way that they do now. Dark Souls was the last great game that just threw you in and made you figure shit out.
>>725958703Reading the game manual was fucking awesome and every gamer read them over and over. Only exception was rentals
>>725955934>"Samus, who the fuck is this Redditor?" said Ridley, calmly.
>>725974739more like gay nerd lol
>>725955934>>725956406And yet the same anons will make dedicated hate threads about From Software wondering what people see in those games
>>725955934My favorite one is the Silent Hill 2 modern mockup.
Americans ruin everything...
>Sony and Xbox make movie games for a literal decade>everyone claims they are like that because they are for adult gentlemen>one nintendo game has more dialogue than usual>all hell breaks looseI am nooooticing
>>725973707
>>725955934>Myles: They fly now?!>Higgs: They fly now.
>>725975854Yea. It's sad but true. Nintendo fans generally have more taste than Sony fans.
>>725975854>every aaa game for 10 years is a movie game>people are tired of them>gamers are flocking to indies like crazy because they're tired of them>nintendo finally makes a game with modern aaa sensibilities>10 years too late
>>725975854So now it's okay to like movie games?
>Skyward Sword comes out>severely panned for being the most handholdy game ever>Nintendo does a 180 with BotW>accolades for being so refreshing and not treating gamers like complete babies, even claiming BotW reinvented open world gaming>finally, gamers are starting to wake up>fast forward to TotK>game is back to being handholdy (not as much as SS, but still)>gets praised and games revert to their old ways>retards even saying that SS is good now and they were way too harsh beforeWhat the fuck? Am I the only one who remembers this?
>>725976591It's okay to hate double standards.
>>725977651Good thing I hate both. Games shouldn't have storytelling to begin with.
>>725977651Personally I've been shitting on Sony movie games years now.
>>725977651>>725977752>>725977769Try triple standards if double is no to your liking
>>725961019Seeing this screen is so funny because 20 years later and Nintendo for some reason refuses to give people simple options like adjusting game volumes or remapping controls.
>>725956406>>725974061>I truly miss when games didn't hold your hand the way that they do nowtendies will make memes like this without any irony and self awareness then at the same time they'll continue insisting oot is the best game ever madementally ill fetuses
>>725958374>>725958976How many millions of dollars did Nintendo make from putting out games with garbage "puzzles" and selling hotline tips, magazines, and strategy guides?
>>725967643I love complaining for complaining's sake. If I had nothing to complain about, I would complain about that. I'm really just making noise so people will pay attention to me, like a bored housecat.
>>725967828>He's barely even sentient.He's called the CUNNING God of Death for a reason. Ridley knows what he's doing and he loves every second of it.
>>725978253I'm not defending shitendoCastlevania SQ wasnt shitendo game either
>>725959487i love how this became #truesame with the resi remakes and swearing ToTwhy do they love swearing so FUCKING much anyway?
>>725977995I always hated zelda. Couldn't finish a single entry beyond phantom hourglass. So, yet again, multiple people saying different things and you're conflating them.
>>725978509Nintendo sold tips and guides and magazines covering every popular game on their older consoles, not just first party releases. Everything from Castlevania to Zelda to LJN slop had the same agenda.
>>725977917Why don't (You) try having standards, at all?
>>725978792I have all of them and I change them on the fly when I need them
>>725978943based ericschizo
>>725978943None of that matters because PC won
>>725955934>>725956406You guys need to accept that games are being made these days with gen alpha in mind and gen alpha is going to have autism (actual autism) at rates far higher than what we have ever seen in the past. This is a generation completely immersed in stupid phones and tablets since they were infants because their dumb welfare single mommies were too busy riding the cock carousel and needed a babysitter for cheap for their little brat. What once came natural to us as children since we weren't constantly having a touch screen shoved in our faces as little babies or other goyslop content like those retarded brainrot youtube shorts children are into will not come naturally to this upcoming generation at all. They are going to have serious developmental problems that is going to assure the US and even Europe and Asia is going to be screwed for years to come. If we thought our arrested development was bad we haven't seen shit yet. This is why these pictures seem so damn egregious to us.>inb4 this is /pol/ relatedNo it is directly to my point.https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/30/some-children-starting-school-unable-to-climb-staircase-finds-england-and-wales-teacher-survey
>>725955934>>725956406>>725956631>>725957059DSP proof.
>>725980206No such thing.
>>725975854>>Sony and Xbox make movie games for a literal decadeAnd now Miyamoto is abandoning games to focus on movies.I'm also noooticing, my dear tendie.
>>725977995Zoomers now defend Navi and will claim "nobody hated her" and if you did well you're just parroting a meme.
>>725977423Dafuq are you on about?BOTW makes you go thru a lengthy tutorial island before you're let loose.
>>725977995>one text box
>>725981834
>>725974739>only exception was rentalsI was always too poor to afford new games so all my games came from pawn shops or 2nd hand retailers where they either came in a completely different case or none at all.
>>725969478the fact we constantly see his face is even worse, it reeks of hollywood influence where they think showing the character face is essential and will remove any mask as soon as possible
>>725955934>>725956406Video games are being made for the lowest common denominator now instead of White and Asian kids.
>>725956406*HALF PRESS A TO JUMPftfy
>Beyond trailer shows like a minute of footage of the NPCs, each saying like one line>Everyone assumes they never shut upAm I missing something or are people overreacting?
>>725959931That always confuses me. Why are there people that don't try every button when playing games and did you really think something wasn't up when it took you fucking forever to walk through the whole game up to that point
>>725980367Miyamoto abandoning games is a good thing
>>725985812There was extended gameplay from an IGN reviewer who doomed about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftYVCY6QpRw
>>725985812>Am I missing somethingYes.You want to see the hands-on footage from the reviewers, not the trailers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftYVCY6QpRw&t=332shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CObbbBmdFAQ
>>725963945This was the coolest thing ever. I've never encountered this kind of teaching in a game since.
>>725974061You should try Environmental Station Alpha then.Tons of cryptic stuff and sequence breaks.Feels more like Metroid than some games in the franchise.>>725978943Dude, I am the OP and I played BOTW for more than 200 hours.
>>725986550>emulatorYou didn't play the game. you stole it.
>>725959576They were absolutely not optional in most games pre...-PS1 or so. They didn't have the cart space or the time to put too much instruction in games, so they put all the important info in the booklets, as well as a lot of art to make up for the sprites being so low res.Hell, some games were crazy enough where going without the manual meant you were shit out of luck, like Ultima Exodus on NES where your race and class choices were complete guesswork because all the info was in the book (which was also wrong, IIRC?)Sure, platformers with run and jump and that's it, that shit was fine, you don't need a manual there.>>725961019>one of the very few console games pre-Xbox that shows a whole list of buttons>one of the very few console games ever that lets you customize said controls freelyMan, don't cherrypick like that.>>725962163Grim Dawn is weird in that it's technically an amazing ARPG from a mechanical standpoint, but something about the game makes it the only game I can regularly fall asleep to. I think it's the music.
>>725986142Oh.Oh no.Oh no no no no no no no no nooooooo...
>>725967828Stupid human
>>725959487The music adds a lot to it.
>>725977423Skyward Sword is weird because it's a memey gimmick game built solely around the Wii's motion controls to a comical degree, which put a ton of people off, but then it got ported to a console that did not need said motion controls, which brought a lot of people in, who then loved the story, Groose, and the overall playfulness of the art and such.This leads to a huge mix of "the game's shit" and "the game's the best in the series".>>725975854>Sony and Xbox make movie games that stay movie games and generally started as movie games>Nintendo takes one of their most serious, understated, lonely franchises they own, the franchise where the entire fanbase goes up in arms whenever Nintendo tries to make the games more "narrative" and full of other characters, decides to make Prime 4 more narrative and full of other characters (notably including a quippy meme guy), which makes the fanbase go up in arms???
>>725987694>and generally started as movie gamesDad of Bore
>>725988032GOW was always a movie game, from the very first installment. We used to make fun of it for being a retarded, watered down Ninja Gaiden.
>>725955934haha now tell me if you won't have any problems when playing a game that is not holding your handhttps://madness-inside.itch.io/dirk-the-adventurerI dare you to find all endings
>>725959931I'm sad Manuals are gone because a lot of them were great.When me and my brother would buy games (half each, split the cost), we'd always do it so one of us got to read the manual on the way home and the other one got to play the game first. We both wanted to do both, so neither really missed out.Look at manuals like the old Ultima ones, the BG2 manual or the Diablo manual, it's pure SOVL.
>>725977423How is TotK even slightly handholdey? You have a brief, optional tutorial section and then you're let out into the world to do whatever you want.Whatever your favourite Zelda game is, OoT, MM, WW, TP or even OoA/OoS they all have far longer and more intrusive tutorials.
>>725986142>>725987292To be fair, it's literally just the tutorial section and after that he leaves and Samus goes off her own way again.He'll contact her for plot stuff when the big events play out, but it'll probably be like BotW/TotK or Prime 3, extremely minor.
>>725988415Terraria is my favorite Zelda game, and I don't see any tutorials forced on you there.
>>725988564
>>725988659When you can skip the tutorial sections in BOTW or TOTK, then come back to me. Infact, show me a way to skip the mandatory, unskippable intro cutscene, if you can."Not handholdy" lol.
>>725988249I saw you posting this in the other thread a few days back. Game looks pretty great though, Anon. Congrats on getting so much of it done- I hope it does well.
Anyone who cried about Silksong being too hard is why games are made like this now. This is how games are made accessible to people like you.
>>725956796Ridley is one of those names like Raleigh and Drake that just oozes power.
>>725977995I'm completely oblivious to this because I always ignored Navi and never read any of these dialogs even once. I didn't even know this one existed for example, and I beat OoT multiple times.
>>725962163Gonna agree with the other anons. Grim Dawn is a great game, you just have to throw something on in the background/your second monitor because the music will put you to sleep. Waiting for the next Expansion to play it again.
>>725956631must be an old image, he would be black today
>>725958374i thought this was a cheat, like a level warp?
>>725986168I would not mind MacKenzie if he was around for like 3 rooms before being gaped by a monster in order to establish stakes. You feel isolation more when you had companionship for a bit. It's a shame I hear that he's around for a large chunk of the early game.
>>725969478does that game feel like metroid at all?
>>725974978
>>725956504oh my god lolI take great pride in figuring it out when I was 10 years old by doing nothing but studying my surroundings.If it was made today, guaranteed it'd be word for word what you said, right down to "what the frick?"God damn, generation A is pathetic.
>>725989818>>725956504They wouldn't say "What the frick?" They would say "That was bananas...!"
>>725955934>oh man, I'm such a fan of retro games>and I hate modern games>should I make a thread about retro games>no, I'll actually make a thread about poisoning retro games with modern games>this is entirely sane behavior 100%
>>725969478https://youtu.be/4vjs_z9QbFA?t=196...
>>725969478this looks like a triple A reddit game
>>725963945I could not figure out what the fuck I was "supposed" to do in that room when I played the game at launch. I eventually got out of there by learning the timing for repeated bomb jumps. It wasn't until I was in Maridia with the sections that have grapple beam points on some of the vertical walls that I was able to figure out what that stance Samus would occasionally take whenever I jumped into a wall meant. I can still hear the necessary cadence of the bomb dropping SFX in my head
>>725989963seethe more, dumbass.Of course your generation is so stupid, you need games to hold your hand and can't figure out the point of this thread is humor and a slight wake up call to any potential modern game devs.
>>725989992it's hard to find all cutscenes with Mackenzie with no commentary, i give up
>>725955934And it would be better.
>>725955934Women in the work place.
>>725990485Millennials* in the work place.We've had women in the work place for decades. It wasn't an issue in the 80s/90s/early 2000s when Millennials weren't working in the industry.
>>725990262>point of this thread is humorThe humor is trite>and a slight wake up call to any potential modern game devsAn absolutely deranged stance to take, hence >>725989963
>>725990676Wait... that's Terry Pratchett's daughter... how the fuck did this happen?
It's a miracle Dread was as isolated as it was
>>725990676It only wasn't an issue in the 80s/90s/early 2000s because the percentage of women working in the video game industry was close to zero.Now it's at least 50%, and furthermore, the remaining 50% is now beta men with no balls (low testosterone) who wouldn't stand up for what's right and shoot down a terrible idea if it came from a woman out of fear of consequences, or fear of being deemed "problematic" by the other 50% women workers.
>>725991327Dread was created by competent devs. Modern Retro is basically a bunch of exiles from AAA studios replacing the old talent that made Retro good. 2000 - 2014 Retro is gone. Modern Retro is basically a mishmash of Ubislop, Blizzard, Rockstar, and other such scum.
>>725990961I guess talent isn't all genetic.
>>725955934>>725956406>>725957059Games design, similarly to the american education system, has been continually pulled down more and more to meet the bottom percents of students. You know, can't make the games too hard, right? Cant expect the player to "infer" what to do from "context", they might get frustrated and quit playing.And what do you have now, now that you've pulled your curriculum down to retard levels? An entire generation, illiterate even after primary school and unable to form thoughts outside of what AI tells them. Great job, it shows in every facet of your society.
>>725956406>the actual game has a literal textwall telling you that you can jump through paintings>anon doesn't know there is an actual literal textwal telling you that you can jump through paintings.
>>725986665I don't care.>>725986904I understand what you say but even then, all old games I've played didn't have manuals, and I didn't have internet to look at them. So I played all of them without any guide.>> Man, don't cherrypick like that.Many games gave you the option to at least look at the control.When there isn't, I just test the controls before playing any game seriously, even today. >>725988249Never seen this, looks cool. My backlog is huge but I will add it to my list, thanks.
>>725988784Funny thing here is that Silksong is filled to the brim with NPCs and has a talking MC. But it's mostly fine if not largrly well received.But out of all the dialogue in it not a single line is as bad as whatever the fuck Prime 4 has.
>>725991398The issue isn't women, it's that HR forces men to bend over backwards to accommodate talentless women. Big studios have to have a higher % of women legally, so they have to find more jobs for women to do, and they have to hire more women who wouldn't otherwise make the cut. Pic related.
>>725989963But I like some modern games.
>>725963945That pic gives me such isolated, Alien (1979)-esque vibes
>>725991820Prove itName 14 Modern Games released in the past 15 minutes
>>725991791>The issue is not women>the issue is women in HR tone policing men to death, in forced compliance with the women causing issues in the first place>meaning the problem is womenYou're a special kind of retard
>>725991670I don't disagree, but It's not just an American issue. Everyone across the world is getting dumber, Americans just have it the worst.
>>725991670>third worlder immediately fails the "Go 10 seconds without thinking about Americans" challengeIt's honestly funny that retarded thirdies keep trying to make this an "American thing" when games have literally been made easier in Japanese versions longer than you've been alive. And so far nobody in America's on Kojima's level of pic related yet.
>>725974061>>725986550play tunic
>>725991943Women in the workplace prior to the HR-ization of the workplace were fine. They were all talented (or the hiring manager's slampig). The only women who bothered trying to get a job at a game company were talented already and had a love for games.The problem isn't women, it's Millennials (especially Millennial women). Now that Zoomers are taking over the workplace, things are starting to turn around. The Gen X/Z coalition is destroying the Millennial powerbase.
>>725992323>Women in the workplace prior to the HR-ization of the workplace were fine.>Because prior to HR-ization of the workplace, women were close to zero percent of the work force in all media production including games.Again you're a special kind of retard to not see that the percentage of women rising in the work force goes hand in hand with the increased "HR-ization" in companies.
>>725956796>he doesn't know
>>725978645>Couldn't finish a single entry beyond the objectively worst game in the franchisepsycho
>>725956406>>725956631>>725956785>>725957059someone has to turn these into real parody games, they'd be hilarious
>>725992265>Pictures making fun of what popular video games would like like if made in today's western games industry>Someone discusses this point>Random poster instantly gets hyper defensive, starts calling everyone in the discussion about the degradation of western games development "thrid worlder" because ad hominem is all he has left, he certainly cant defend the point made by the posterI accept your concession. You may make one (1) more reply to me calling may any number of slurs and I'll consider the matter settled.
>>725992623Millennial HR culture is the source of the other problems making it the primary problem. You can't say getting your wallet stolen is a problem but the criminal is not the problem. The criminal stole your wallet, he is directly responsible for that crime.And no, women weren't close to 0% of the workforce in media production. They were closer to 20%. They've always been involved, especially with art, music, and voice acting. Bayonetta was designed by a woman.
>>725981834I'm loving these kek
>>725962163>>725989061Grim Dawn is a better Diablo II. The music was good, it fits the game. I wind up turning music in ARPGs off and listening to something else anyways. Diablo II music is good for one playthrough but after that I just don't want to hear it anymore. The only two tracks I can listen to repeatedly from DII are Wilderness and Tristram.
>>725992969>Closer to 20%I'll give you maybe 5% but even that's a stretch if we're talking about media that was actually decent from before the 2000s.>BayonettaYou're serious aren't you... You literally think that's an example of a good game.Figures.>Millennial HR cultureBegan because that's when the increase of women in media production was increasing at insane levels to what it is now.They go hand in hand, but you want to deny that so badly for some reason.Your bullshit isn't fooling anyone, but keep trying.
>>725992272Will do.
>>725993232You're just floundering now.
>>725993475>flounderingnice buzzword, retard.You think games like Super Metroid were made possible with the presence of 20%+ women?Get real lol
>>725956240Except this is real and in Metroid Prime 4.
>>725989992>WHATS UP GUYS TELL WERE GOING TO OPEN A BOUUUUUSTAAA PEERRKK
>>725985640There is no such thing as a 'half press', autist.Did your finger touch the fucking button? Was pressure applied to depress the button? Was it the button labeled 'A'? Then that already counts as an 'A press' motherfucker. I don't care if you didn't release it. Releasing it has nothing to do with pressing it.
>>725986550Most games in the franchise, at this point. We have fusion / other M / prime 3 / prime 4 that are all shit.
>>725962163I have a hard time taking this post seriously because you're implying PoE isn't peak "bloatslop". I've never played the WH40K game you're describing but I refuse to believe it's more bloated than PoE. Seems outright impossible.
>>725994471okay okay fine...3/4 of an A press
>>725988249Ugly looking faggot game. You couldn't pay me enough to waste my time on it.
>>725989992I'm supposed to be mad that a guy talks sometimes during a escort mission segment that is only 15 minutes long?
>>725994695you're not supposed to be anything, but i'm sure there's more. that was the best video i could find.
>>725975854Wrong. Every Zelda has a lot of dialogue. And even Mario Odyssey had plenty dialogues and cutscenes like Sony movie games. Nobody complained.
>>725991791> Big studios have to have a higher % of women legally>legallyWhat?
>>725994695According to other reviewers, there are more NPCs later in the game.
>>725994695there's 5 more of these bastards throughout the game, probably one for each biome, so samus is never getting any rest
>>725994879>>725994958And how many of them are described as talkative? How many are giving you tutorial comments for less than 15 minutes? You think the sad black dude is going to make snarky comments?
>>725994958They basically aping the champions from BOTW
>>725994832States like California and countries like Sweden mandate that businesses with more than a certain amount of employees have to have a higher % of women working for them or else they're discriminating against women and can be fined. The Birmingham Rubbish Strike is a result of such policies. The city can't afford to pay their garbage collectors more because they have to hire women and pay them equivalent to what the men earn. So the workers are getting shit pay so that women can sit around and do jackshit all day because of gender equality laws. Thus the men went on strike and stopped picking up rubbish leading to the streets overflowing with trash and +30 million to the city's rat population.
>>725995072Metroid shouldn't have more than a couple of encounters with NPCs. The games are about isolation and atmosphere.
>>725995207Yes, agreed. And saving 5 goons and moving on are those couple of encounters. We've been through this with Prime 3, and this one doesn't look like it stops you for dialogue boxes, so it's already a step up.
>>725995130Complete insanity.
>>725995412>>725995130It's even worse than that. The City Council lost several discrimination lawsuits because they were giving raises to binmen and not the female desk jockies because, obviously, binmen are doing a harder job and need to be incentivized to stay working. The council lost over £1 billion in "equal pay claims" and now has to cut the binmens' salaries by around 20%. So it's not that they aren't getting a pay bump, they're actively getting their salary cut because of feminism. And that's pretty much why every large Western video game company went to shit. Smaller companies can get away with not having gender equality in hiring/salary, as can large Japanese companies. Meanwhile large Western companies (those with 100+ employees) have to spend an ever increasing % of their budget hiring women while not being able to give high performing men pay raises due to them needing to pay men/women equally. That's how you get massive team bloat with managers managing managers managing managers and £100+ million budgets.Meanwhile Nintendo almost never spends of £20 million on making their games. They can run a lean workplace with mainly just programmers/modelers/etc and a few project leads. They don't need to hire infinity managers to give women jobs.
>incel blaming escort mission on THOSE FUCKING WOMEN IN THE WORK PLACE>instead of the fact that a fucking flop of a game like Arms outsold EVERY Metroi game ever made>"gee why would this game company keep trying to change what the series to try and make it sell more is it must be the women's faults"
>>725996694Metroid Dread sold great.
>>725996694Literally no one claimed that there aren't a lot of retarded/lazy men who make lousy products.The truth of the matter is still this:high percentage of women working on product = shittier the product is.Women have low testosterone.Fat, lazy men have low testosterone.Testosterone is linked directly to high ambition and work ethic.Do the fucking math, woketard.
>>725995072>You think the sad black dude is going to make snarky comments?I don't want to babysit any GF npcs, end of story
>>725955934if super metroid was actually made today it would be basically the same thing but with better controls and 3d instead of 2d
>>725997132>better controls>can't use the D-pad for a 2D gameIt's got worse controls
>>725997451joystick > d-pad
>>725997132>more zoomoid slop for secondaries whose metroid familiarity starts with western trashkys
>>725998036my first metroid game was metroid 2 and I am 44
>>725978943You forgot to mention he fucks with From threads screaming about dragonarian
>>725988032To be fair, I included "generally" as a weasel word before taking a nap.checkmate*adjusts glasses**lenses flash white for a second as you get blown away**walks away cool*
>>725969478>Samus will be eating his ass in the doujinsbased
>>725956406Truth but it would be Lakitu since he holds the camera.Just imagine it, unique dialogue for every star Mario has selected to get
>>725995130>White men control civilization>civilizations proceed to make the best art, architecture, and technology>create systems for stable economies and government that by some miracle actually work pretty well>decide to give these things to other races who hate them and they have no reason to not just keep this shit for themselves>this is oppression and imperialism somehow>give up power to browns and women>200 years of progress eroded in less than a centuryTell me why White supremacy is wrong
>>725991398It's hard to stand up to the karens when they're also gossip buddies with their HR karens. If they don't like you they'd just fire you. Repeat for a few cycle and here's how we get to our current AAA games industry.
>>725956504That and the shinespark technique both required more explanation. Neither of them are intuitive enough that they become clear just by watching the animals. For the wall-jump, you have to hold the opposite direction for a moment and THEN tap jump, which is unlike any other game with a wall-jump including the earlier Ninja Gaiden. The technique should have been in the manual if they didn't want to tell you in the game (although I don't see why it can't be in the game). I'm still annoyed because these were the only things I had to look up online, which I don't like doing.
>>726000996Simply do not work for companies with HR departments or women in them.Join the railway like I did, or something similar that rejects weak people and women. Be a fucking man.
>>725966984Not better, just different. In X it's a mandatory mechanic that's taught to you in the intro stage.In Super it's a hidden extra to spice up replays and allows for some really wacky shit like continuous walljumps due to it's delay. It's really just press left/right THEN press jump, once you get used to it it's great.The real best walljumps are in X4~6/Z/ZX, since they have no/little startup lag.
>>725976591No, the point Anon's making is the opposite. The faggots in the games media shitting on this redditor were the same one's praising THAT EXACT STYLE OF WRITING AND DIALOGUE and calling games with that abomination of character writing GOTY.Why are they only NOW shitting on it?
>>726004371because he is a man, a gross nerd male
kek
>>725979839I will never accept it. I can will acknowledge that it's happening, but I will never let it happen without trying to do something or speak about it. Even if in vain, I will try because the fact some people are pushing for more thinking brains is enough to show it's not truly lost until everyone stops talking about it.
>>725991698>Silksong is filled to the brim with NPCs and is likedIt's not that people dislike NPCs or talking MC. The issue is not the mere existence. It is the way it is done. NPCs should be done sparingly and not accompany Samus. Samus can talk, but sparingly.Super had her monologue and interact with scientists in the cutscene. The GF were mostly a backdrop in Fusion despite being the main reason Samus is on the BSL. Dread had Adam to check in. Prime 2 had a Luminoth.If Hornet had a character that gave hints everywhere she went, I bet many would find it annoying.
>>726007521This, there's difference betweena simple NPC and something like Omochao. Even Navi is less annoying since you need to intentionally ask her for help to be told what to do. Omochao or Heroes tag-alongs speak freely and far too often. It's not the same as an NPC just existing.
>>725996943None of these are related, you've just spent to much time online that now you blindly label everything
>>725995130Damn thats crazy, maybe they should just pick up the trash instead of blaming everyone for their problems
>>726009826too busy spending their monthly gibs
>>725998302>I'm a secondary and proud virgin!
>>726012150>secondaryIs this a new zoomie buzzword?
>>726012213Now you just confirmed you're the "zoomie", zoomie secondary. If that's even true at all, you most likely started with Other M and think that's what Metroid should be like.
>>725958703I still have all my manuals and boxes, except Star Fox 64, since it was a fuckhuge box because it came with the Rumble Pak.
>>726012271So that's a "yes".You zoomies really are desperate to look old.
>this thread is still upWhy is this site so dead?
>>725963945The bird also teaches you how to super jump after you fall through the floor
>>725958374hate this psyop
>>726012481You just found the new thread that will be constantly spammed cause it got a shit load of replies
Super Metroid was already 'that' compared to Metroid 1 & 2.
>>725959487>COUNTRY ROOOAAAADS
>>725963945>>726012616What the fuck went so wrong with this franchise, bros?
>>725956631I can already see the cringe millennial dialogue they'd add to Mega Man>WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOR?!
>>725955934OY VEY MY ASTHMA ACKK ACKSAMUS HELP ME YOU STUPID GOY
>>725989818Uh... aren't the ones making the games.
>>725988748only time will tell>>725991691Thanks, I know most people have huge backlogs and that's the main reason why indie games tend to flop massively. I'll try to sell it for a really low price once I feel its in decent state.>>725994602I'm sorry my MS Paint graphics aren't on par with your standards. Accept my sincere apology.
>>725977995Did you forget the years and years of people hating navi? All the memes of her getting brutalized and her saying "hey, listen!" over and over? People have hated this shit for decades, and Navi was LESS intrusive than this
>>726007521The previews of Prime 4 specifically call out the fact that Mackenzie stops giving you hints and doesn’t talk much after the escort stuff done. He is literally there as a tutorial, an annoying yapping one though.
>>725991791>The issue isn't women, it's that HR forces men to bend over backwards to accommodate talentless women.So the issue is women, got it.
>>726017714Don't argue with xir, it's obviously an obsessed Snoy
>>725959487>Mary... where the fuck are you?
>>725955934Fixed
>>725962641Sus
>>726000971White empathy is way too high.Leave Europe/USA/Canada and empathy levels suddenly drop to nothing. Entire cultures where you can't even trust your own family. They're in a permanent every-man-for-himself mindset and giving them our systems doesn't change that. They weren't lacking efficient systems, they're lacking the most basic trust that we completely take for granted.Giving them a train doesn't help because they'll all fight over who gets to use the train. Then it's an ongoing battle to stop them from looting the benches from the train station and the mechanical parts of the train itself. They'll risk death to ride on the fucking top/side of the train to avoid paying the ticket fee.It's not that they just can't "figure out" these systems, it's that within their culture it's a waste of time to pursue such systems as those systems will become corrupted and eventually serve only a few of the most ruthless members of their society. They're like Skaven, they're too busy plotting against each other to advance their society.
>>726000971>Tell me why White supremacy is wrong>>726019873you failed to eliminate the problemnow yer fuckedthey will never let you go until "whites" (((whiteness))) is exterminated from this earth
>>725956785thats just ESA but ESA was kino so i excuse it
>>726000971>>create systems for stable economies and government that by some miracle actually work pretty well>endless growth with limited physical resourcesimagine being this mentally retarded
>>725969478Finally, a white male character that represents true gamers.
>>725977995Have you played OOT lately? Navi is literally nothing. Which goes to show how much worse things have gotten, considering Navi did face backlash at the time."hardcore games" for grownups like God of War or Call of Duty treat you like ten times more of a retard than OOT ever did.
>>725977423No.https://youtu.be/PhBUTjcP9a8
>>725988868Yeah, every time Navi went "hey", I was just like "what a funny little character", and didn't press the button to listen to her.Did people actually do that? The only thing I used Navi for was learning the names of enemies.
>>725979839I went back to take a college course this year and there’s so many fucking annoying psycho autistics and man-in-a-skirt trannies on campus. Is this what life has been like for gen z this whole time?
>>726000572>Implying Samus would have porn that's not either futa, faceless male or monster
>>725979839Bro, shut the fuck up. I have autism. All of the people built gaming as a thing had autism.Gen Alpha has ADHD, and tablet induced brainrot. It's different.
I never played the any of the Metroid Prime games, are 1-3 still worth playing?
>>726012795This. If anything, Castlevania II is a prime example on how bad localization screwed over a game, but i guess it's funnier parroting AVGN quotes from the mid 2000s.
>>726022698Do whatever you want. I'm not your mother.
>>725989992What did we do to deserve such fucking slop? In Metroid of all franchises? I thought Other M’s blight was behind us. Nintendo is officially dead to me, I’m selling all of my shit and going PC only.
>>726022698Desu, I'm a huge Metroidfag. I love Super Metroid, Fusion and Dread.Prime is fundamentally not a Metroid game. If you don't like 2D Metroids you should try Prime.
>>725994695At best it's a waste of time and effort that could have been spent somewhere else.
>>726022920Prime is more Metroid than Fusion or Dread. Fusion and Dread go down this weird side root where half of the game is chase sequences, and Fusion in particular has constant dialogue.I like all of these games, mind.
>>726023058I don't remember Fusion and Dread having a collectathon mission like Prime did
>>725956785Let's be honest, the real reason why indie games with pixel graphics look like that is because the devs can't draw.The left isn't that hard to achieve, even for an armature artist that knows basic observation, construction and perspective.
>>726022698Not really, it’s a lot of scanning that breaks the flow of the game.
>>725957059>stagger bar on a goombaholy kek
>>726023282>you're not a true fan if you raise criticism of any kindDisney adult mentality.
>>726023134>dude, I hate exploring and collecting things in this exploring and collecting gameOk.
>>726023165>armature artistkek
>>726023282These are the kinds of "fans" who just like Samus as a concept because she was in Smash Bros, and are excited to play their first Metroid game.
>>726023398>dude you can't get this thing in our game about collecting until we let youFuck offThe collectathon shit in Prime stinks
>>726023476That's literally not how it works in Prime. If you know where the artifacts are, you can grab a lot of them on your first trek through an area.
>>725963945While this is a cool idea, they didn't have to make the wall jump so jank in this game. IIRC there's only like 5 frames upon touching a wall where you can activate it, and no animation to help you. Mega Man perfected the concept years ago, just copy that sheesh
>>725956406This is good but the text needs to be plain whte soullessness and toad needs to be replaced with some dumb oc companion that looks like a toddler cartoon character on Mario's shoulder or some shit
>>726023476I can beat that game in 3-4 hours with no backtracking. This is what's called a skill issue, kys retard
>>725983706That's not even the worst trope, I hate the one where people in space suits need to have a flashlight under their chin so that the audience can see the actor's face. There's no practical purpose, it just blinds the user lmao.
>>725989750it doesn't come out for another 20 days... so no one knows.
>>725986904Games didn't come with manuals when you rented them and everyone got by just fine
>>726022698I tried Prime 1 HD on the Switch and it's a very slow paced first person shooter with AUTO AIM (you literally hold a trigger to lock on to the nearest enemy so the combat doesn't matter) and constant scanning (enemies, background objects etc). I can see why it was big 25 years ago, but it aged rather poorly IMO. If you like borderline walking sim games with a lot of lore to read through, then you might enjoy it. It's ass as an action game though.I loved the 2D Metroids however and played them all even SR and AM2R
>>725959576Not sure about Zelda but FF7 and some other RPGs did. They would have the first chapter of their strategy guide included in the manual with a warning about spoilers ahead
>>726012213>retarded /pol/ tourist doesn't know newfag lingopathetic
>>725989818Holy Millennial shitskin cope, Feb alpha aren't even developing games yet, this is all "how do you do fellow kids" cringe from manchildren boomleniials
>>726024337>feb Alpha
>>725992323>>725991943Not how you spell Jews you divide and conquer shills
how would you fix myles?or rather how would you make a companion work in a metroid game?you could change their character into a scissoring lesbian, little girl, alien furry or whateveryou could make it shut up unless spoken too, immortal, have gameplay powers, kill it at the end, etcbut if samus absolutely had to have a companion for some reason how should it be done?
>>726024337I've noticed zoomers always end up crytyping when they get upset.
>>726023165I think good pixel art is very time consuming as well.Some indie devs prefer to invest that time more on the level design and other parts.
>>726026249Literally just make him a normal guy?How does a normal guy act on an alien planet? He's going to be scared. He's going to be at least passingly professional, because he wouldn't be on the team otherwise. Maybe he tells you some endearing stories about his family or something, and says he hopes he gets to see them again.He's not going to be the office joker.Here's an idea, actually watch the good Alien movies, and just do that. What was Micheal Beihn's character like? Do that.
>>725962109Exactly. Manuals also being outside the game forced the developers, particularly level designers, to smartly think about how to make the levels reinforce the basic information within the manual, but allowed them the freedom to not make it an obvious tutorial.
>>726023282We must be better metroid fans...
>>725957059Too real
>>725956406I think the sad part about the image is that's literally Banjo Kazooie
>>725966818Well, once you finish the game with one ending you get the flowchart. So you know where the forks are.Then I went and took a piss.
>>725974061Void StrangerEnvironmental Station AlphaTunic
>>726023903Can we actually just shoot him to death and leave him behind for the local fauna to eatGod I hope we can
>>725974061if you mostly play AA and indie games, this isn't really a problem, fyi.
>>725967027>semen trackerSamus is a girl!
Nintendo just wants to appeal to the Playstation audience
New video leaked of the Retro Studios officeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rj1SFtxRTg
>>726023282Did he call retro studio "energy vampires"?
>>726027196Nah, it wasn't too bad. Items are yappy when you first colllect them but you can just ignore the text and keep walking. You can turn down the tutorial and if you come back and change your mind Bottles tells you to piss off and figure it out yourself, it's great
>>726027886when dealing with energy vampires always make sure your beam is the right color
>>726026249I would make it as minimally intrusive as possible like the animals in SM
>>726026249It's hard to make something like this in a Metroid game. >> Have you find a companion. It would be a secret, something that is not as easy to find as the regular upgrades. >> He would only talk unless spoken too (like you said).>> The companion could help you discover hidden advanced techniques, it would also add more information about the environments and help you through the battle, even providing ammo or temporary upgrades to your weapon.>> He can be killed but he would revive at any Save Station.>> I would also do some things to balance it out.>> Make scanning the environment harder. Info on the environment would be limited until you upgrade the Scan Visor. Some objects or enemies couldn't be scanned right from the start.>> I would improve and balance the enemy AI, it can't be as dumb as the ones in the Prime games. They need to be smart to pose a threat and make you feel bad or even more powerless when a companion dies.>> He would talk in cutscenes, but in the actual gameplay, only if you wanted. >> I would make you have the option to send him in a specific room that you already visited, and send you info of the same room when they get there, all this happening while you were playing normally.This could help the player remember where you couldn't pick an upgrade or open a certain door, making backtracking easier, but without having the game shamessly telling you where to go.>> Finding that companion would change the ending a little bit.>> Playing on Hard mode or higher would make him die permanently, but he would be more powerful and have more health.
>>726027563if he's not immortal it will cause a game over, guaranteed
>>726027563>>726029229Hate to break it to you but you have to protect him and escort him. If he goes down you have to revive him quick or it's a full-on Game OverUnfucking believable
>>725956406This is just Mario Wonder.
>>725988868>>726022530Fun fact: I watched an adult thirdie zoomer friend play OoT for the first time and he spent something like 40-50 minutes in the room in the deku tree where you have to light up torches to exit. Some people deserve Navis.
>>726028263jej
>>725977423People are praising SS now because we haven't had an actual 3d Zelda since then even if SS was dogshit
>>726029427the funny thing is Navi doesn't help you with stuff like that, because it's just presumed to be self explanatory.Navi is so hands off compared to what people are accustomed to now. Play any modern AAA game, and it will just be non-stop dudes shouting in your ear, telling you exactly what to do. Call of Duty was like that almost 20 years ago, so I can't imagine how bad it's gotten.
>>725980585People hated her but I have no idea why. Thing would just say watch out on occasion. I guess tatl was better by just making chime sounds
>>726030087SS is literally good, and got shat on mostly because the Wii was uncool by that point, and people were primed to hate motion controls.It's like a solid mid-level Zelda game, with more than a handful of cool twists and ideas.The bird kind of sucks, which is where it falls apart.
Do people think Dread was a fluke or something?
>>726022874>What did we do to deserve such fucking slop?metroid was successful but relatively niche. it wasnt as big as mario or zelda even if it helpd define a genre. this is the studios attempt to reboot the series and get a new audience probably at the behest of nintendo but i dunno.
>>726000572he's too ugly to make even an ugly bastard out of, no way. He's getting cucked out of the doujins for sure.
>>726030327Memes, and frankly hyperbolic gamer discourse at the time.>THIS GAME ISN'T HARDCORE LIKE A LINK TO THE PAST, SO BAD BAD, I HATE IT!I mean, they were both for kids, and ALTTP isn't much less handholdy really. It tells you exactly where the dungeons are, and where the bombable walls are. ALTTP is where the dumbing down of Zelda began in earnest.Not even necessarily a bad thing, because as I said, it's for kids. It's supposed to be accessible. There's a line (which they definitely crossed with TP and SS), but it's fine for the game to help you a little bit, actually. OOT was just challenging enough for me as a child. Any more, and I might have dropped it, like I dropped Turok 2. People also didn't shit talk MGS, which really is a game that stops you every two feet, so some character can yak in your ear.There's always this bias around Nintendo franchises that they have to recreate the specific experience that you the player had as a child, even though you're probably misremembering that experience to a degree.
>>725995072One of them is a Samus "fangirl" (or possibly lesbian), so at least yeah I expect her to be just as bad as well. The robot is suspect as well since so many medias have been making robots "quirky" over the years
>>726023282This is Infinity End's, isn't it? God he's such a retard
>>725955934writing is doomed
>>726026249If he absolutely has to be there (he doesn't)Don't show his faceMake his dialogue terse, to the point, and, if possible, likeable to bootBut the real way to fix the Myles problem is remove him from a game whose selling point is isolation
>>726023282>>726023345Right. Don't give your time and energy to the people disappointed in a bad product. Those are energy vampires. Get hyped to give your time, energy, and money to the major corporation instead!/sarcasm
Most people are talking the dialogue, the amount of it and the cringe. But I want to nitpick/pinpoint at something more specific:>"cubicle">"Phil">Myles wearing standard realistic glassesIs it me or does Metroid's worldbuilding continue to get worse? What's the deal with this relatively mundane shit in such a fantastical Sci-Fi setting? It was already bad enough when Metroid Other M had the Galactic Federation Army shooting mere bullets despite Prime showing that their guns are more sci-fi. Now we got references to cubicles, a got with the most standard generic name ever and they didn't even try to design Myles glasses as something remotely Sci-Fi, something Deus Ex and Cyberpunk figured it out. Am I the only one that is really bothered by this?
>>726031970the weird thing is it's archaic. We don't really have office cubicles now. That's 90's stuff.
>>726030327But Tatl was more "millenial snarky" and talkative than Navi.
>>726031970No yea I completely agree.
>>726030957I-is TP considered that easy? I got filtered by that puzzle in the Forest Temple with the gate that had to be opened by using wind gust in a certain order.
>>725958703Considering they grew up to be autistic consoomer retards today, I would say absolutely
>>726031970It really doesn't make sense that he'd wear regular glasses under the futuristic face mask with cameras for eyes. If they really needed to double down on the nerdiness of his design they should make it fancy AR that hooks into his visor. Then he can technobabble about shit only he can see like Geordi LaForge
>>726033384In fact then it would tie neatly into the new visor shit you have to collect. man this shit writes itself and they didn't try
>>726033472>this shit writes itself and they didn't tryIt almost seems like they *did* try, specifically, to write the most immersion breaking character possible.
>>726023165>even for an armature artist that knows basic observation, construction and perspective.Wow BIGOT, are you telling me this isn't art?
>>726033057I don't think I died once in TP.
>>725955934
>>726033057The only remotely hard parts of TP were the Sacred Grove puzzle and the pinball minigame.
>>726033885I remember dying once early on when you've got like 4 hearts and being utterly floored because Wind Waker made me forget you could die in Zelda
>Samus having humans aroundNot for long
>>726030957Found the retarded zoomer
>>726030957This. Nostalgia is real and Nintendo fags have it the hardest.The easiest example is Pokemon which literally has never been hard, just grindy until EXP share spread out, with a basic story. Yet the amount of people who go "I MISS HARD FIGHTS LIKE CYNTHIA" and "THE STORY WAS SO HARDCORE" is crazyPoint out a flaw and they'll deny it and go "Actually I meant this other game"Genuine discourse isn't desired on this forum
>>726029315fuck.
>>726012213It's not a new term, but I feel like it's spread outside of fanbases where a sizeable portion of self-described "fans" have never touched a game in the series (e.g. Touhou) a lot more lately.
>>726022479>13 years ago>he knew
>>725990961The only good video game writing she has ever done was for the first Overlord game, the second was already worse and then of course we got nuTomb Raider and Thi4f which was a fucking disaster
>>725956406>aonumalelmao
>>725957916>>725958150>instruction manuals are the same as having games constantly hold your handabsolute retard
>>726017858Only for you to get stuck with other NPCs.>b-but they're not gonna be annoyingWe already saw previews of them being quirky chungus, no better than Myles.
>>725988249You are trying really fucking hard to justify the braindeadedness of modern games. Why is that?How many disingenuous posts is this now?
>>726039873Evidently to shill his kusoge
>>726036006>it hasn't hard, it was just grindy!The completely busted levelling curve in modern pokemon is a big issueGames that let you increase stats by levelling need to have well balanced enemy strength
>>726036006Pokémon has never been hard but it was never as easy as XY.
>>725990676she's right in that Tomb Raider was often marketed the way she's describing. look at any of its magazine ads from the late 90's / early 00's
>>726038489Secondary/tertiary has always been a common insult among Touhou fans.
>>726036006>point out a flaw of OoT (navi)>NOOOOO SHE'S NOT ANNOYING THAT'S JUST A MEME
>>726040258>she's right in that Tomb Raider was often marketed the way she's describingSo what?
>>726039873I've been hacking my game for a while now, it was playtested by numerous people, devs, colleagues, friends and it's always the same thing - what to do, what can I do? Tutorialisation is a hell of a thing to do in current hellscape of indie games, if you're not familiar with the genre, or if you're doing something differently you'll get upset players that are lost and won't look for answers themselves. Back then you had a booklet, your pad had 2 or 4 buttons, start was used for extra options, everything was clear. Now you have a whole keyboard, people play with arrow keys or wsad, people are used to twin stick shooters and call Blazing Chrome antiquated because you still aim with directional keys. You have yellow paint now, because the amount of detail is so high you can easily lose that one important ledge whereas back in 96 your decor was in 2D and easily distinguishable from level geometry. I enjoyed that in older titles, being locked in 2-3 small rooms and you were tasked to find exit with your perception alone, now players will write angry review that the game is too hard, too obtuse, has no QoL, and in the same breath they'll tell you that tutorial was too long or too boring. There's a fine line that you have to find in order to keep everyone happy. You can compare different versions of my game and see different QoL implemented with time and all of them were introduced due to player feedback.
>>725959576>By the way, didn't Zelda had a guide where they told "Use this booklet only when you cannot proceed" or something along those lines?yes, there was one in A Link To The Past, separate small book with all harder puzzles explained
>>726041698>You have yellow paint now, because the amount of detail is so high you can easily lose that one important ledge whereas back in 96 your decor was in 2D and easily distinguishable from level geometry.Retardation on the part of developers. There always ways to show rather than tell, even if they're obsessed with spending millions on minor advancement to graphical fidelity and filling their maps with garbage. They're choosing the laziest route and catering entirely to the lowest common denominator, and they're turning their games into jokes and themselves into laughing stocks as a result.
>>726042354yea, but before that you had scratcthmarks, they were just like yellow paint but less jarring. That still sucked though, you could have 3 walls that you couldn't climb and you had to look for the one with scratches (or like in Far Cry 5 you had blue lines in all places you could climb)
>>725980585>Zoomers now defend NaviNo, we don't. We grew up with constant Navi jokes from videos. What YouTuber of the 00s and early-10s didn't make a joke about Navi. Hate for Navi is ingrained in all gamers no matter the age.
>>726043331>yea, but before that you had scratcthmarksI'm not always a fan of that either, but sometimes some signposting is warranted. Yellow paint is completely retarded and so is so many of the other ways they actively hold your hand.
>>725990961Nepo baby
>>726045653story old as time
>>725958374Nobody knew what to do here due to a very bad localization.
>>725977995If Navi annoys you then gaming isnt for you
>>725957059>Wait I shoot fireballs now? Yeah that's something I do nowI know it's ripped straight from Forspoken but I actually physically cringed reading that.
>>725957916the warioware game manuals (or any wario game) were always a kino read
>>726047702Nigger.
Erm, what the flip? Did I just roll into a ball? Guess I can add gymnast to my resume...
>>726039731>We already saw previews of them being quirky chungus, no better than Myles.What do they say
>>726050548>UM, SAMUS, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE ICE BEAM FREEZES ENEMIES>OMG SAMUS I'M SUCH A BIG FAN>LIKE OMG WE'RE GONNA GET THE BAND BACK TOGETHER!>GO TEAM BADASS!Yeah, definitely better than Myles.
>>726023282>BUY THE SLOP SO YOU VISIT OUR WIKI SO WE GET AD REVENUEIt's all so tiresome.
>>725977995After the first dungeon, the amount of times Navi forces you into conversation can be counted on one hand.
>>725957916You know what else has manuals? Cars. And I may have even had a car instructor at one point. But it's not as if my car instructor is forever in my fucking car whenever I wish to drive somewhere, or otherwise speaking through my car speakers if they somehow were not. I can actually drive my car without being backseated about every single action and potential action I could make. This is true for Mario64 too. Sadly it doesn't seem to be true for Prime4.
>>726039016damn, it's true
>>725991398>Now it's at least 50%that's ridiculous, 20% at most
>>725956406But this is how Mario games are nowadays.
>>726040258yeah so what? it's ridiculous to make a woman a action heroine, everybody knew it was just eye candy. same with samus, she was just meant to be a joke in the first game.>>725990676what's funny is that the 2013 Lara Croft did feel like an actual woman in a lot of the game, with almost being raped for example, and there's a ton of snuff scenes of her dying horribly.
>>725958374I rented this ass game from Blockbuster and nowhere in the rental box OR the fucking magazines said what to doIt wasn't until you had to find a store that carried Nintendo Power or if you were aware enough to get NP delivered via mail subscription>THREE FUCKING DAYS In hindsight, Zelda 2 taught some of us that talking to every NPC was a fucking waste of time
>>725959487reminds me of this lmao
>>726000572MacKenzie x whatever alien is here this time futa bara xeno triple dick pump action; shit you find only in /trash/ but shitposters bring it to /v/ anyway WHEN
>>726051972Ok. >loud beeping when your seatbelts off
>>726023654Mega Man X made it extremely blatant because it was a feature you were intended to use from the very start of the game. In Super Metroid it's more of a "Wait I can do that? Have I always been able to do that?" moment. There are zero mandatory wall jumps in the game.It definitely could have been made easier to pull off but it didn't need to be MMX levels of easy and there's no reason to make it obvious. It's just fun tech to discover like the bomb jump.
>>726049930this shit was dope. they really put effort into them
>>726055023Yeah. The Switch will beep when it or the controllers are running out of battery power or whatever too. If Mackenzie only ever spoke up when Samus was in critical danger because of whatever or something, it would be an entirely different scenario.
>>726031970sakamoto wants metroid to become a hollywood movie in the way world and characters work
>>725974061You need to play more games. Try this one out some time https://store.steampowered.com/app/1497440
>>725980747It does it so well you don't know it's even a tutorial until it's over.
>>725979839>You guys need to accept that games are being made these days with gen alpha in mindIt's not really a generational thing. It's the fact that women are now the main audience, so games are now being focus tested on women.
>>725990676>women doing pointless roles like writing, or community managementThose aren't real jobs anon. That's adult day care.
>>726057362>sakamoto wants metroid to become a hollywood movie in the way world and characters workThat puts him in lock step with Nintendo's future plans of making more movies based on their IP. So at least he's with the program despite his age.
>>725991327Dread was awful precisely because it was full of all that modern crap.You enter a room and there's a cutscene that shows you which item you have to interact with.You fight a boss and the killing blow isn't performed by you - you're interrupted with some semi automated QTE bullshit.There's constant chatter from NPC's filling you in with story nonsense etc etc etc.
>>726022530Early on she comes up without input, theres one section at death mountain where she tells you to bomb the entrance of death mountain with the cliff gorons crop if you wait long enough (i.e EXPLORE), which while obvious was the main unspoken puzzle of the area and pretty deflating. By adult though she shuts up.
>>726014412did you never beat mega man x? the ending sequence paragraphs explicity say that, word for word
>>725958374Castlevania 2 was no more obtuse than other NES games.Didn't any of you guys play Goonies 2? Legacy of the Wizard? Zelda? Maze of Galious etc?Those games all have shit in them that's just as ridiculous as Castlevania 2.You only bring up Castlevania 2 because some idiot did a youtube video about it.
All the faggots shitposting about myles play games that are even more handholdy than MP4 will ever be. These people do not care. They latch onto the dumbest shit and shitpost for a living. They can't go a single hour with injecting online attention straight into their bloodveins. These people DO NOT care making ay sort of cohesive argument. Responding to them is utterly pointless. They don't even believe the shit that comes straight out of their assholes.. They just want (you)s and that's it. They are nothing but liars and attention whores. You faggots need to stop bumping their threads.
Me when I fight strawmen >>726059538
>>726055023lmaobtfo
i heard metroid fusion has a shit ton of unskippable dialog or whatev, if i just fast forward through all of that would it be a good metroid game? looking to pick either metroid fusion or metroid dread after finally playing through super metroid
>>726059885fusion is amazing
>>726059885Not really, but it plays well. Zero Mission is better even if its has a different set of problems.
>>726059885I literally played it yesterday and yes, theres a lot of dialogue at the start of the game.
>>726059885Just play Fusion then Dread.Super Metroid is the 3rd game in the main story, Fusion the 4th, Dread the 5th.
>>726059885The unskippable dialogue is an extent of linear area order and is part of the games narrative. There's no fork in the road at norfair elevator where you can choose to do Phantoon/Dragon or Kraid/Ridley in fusion.
>>726059885I found fusion to be dogshit for purely mechanical reasons. The story/cutscenes/setpieces are their own kettle of fish. I will that that structurally and thematically, Dread makes much more sense as Fusion 2 than anything else. I'd approach it with that mindset.
>>726059885Fusion's fine. At the time everyone freaked out about how much talking there was in the game, but if we got Fusion's level of dialogue nowadays it would be a breath of fresh air. I personally never liked how segmented it was and how limited the sequence breaking was, and Super Missiles being a straight stacking upgrade to the Missiles is a fucking retarded decision and I will die on that hill, but I still enjoy it to this day. Zero Mission is the better GBA Metroid though.
>>725958374I'm so tired of disingenuous retards on here. Obnoxious faggy hand holding tutorial NPC companions and the infamously cryptic shit in Simon's Quest (which was mostly because the translation is absolutely atrocious) are world's apart.
People act like old games intended for you to figure out everything on your own to make the games only for REAL gamers and not casuals, when in reality they expected you to read the manual or buy a strategy guide.
>>726059885Super Metroid is the only good, officially-sanctioned Metroid game.
>>726060297Fuck off nigger.
>>726002312I might be retarded since it's been forever since I played, but isn't walljumping on the intended path through the game?Yeah you can beat it without it (and single-wall jumping isn't ever required) but I feel like you'd have to learn a bunch of tricks to do it without walljumping ever
>>726060375If they didn't want to let the casuals figure out how to play the game, what the fuck did they spend the money to print out the manual for? They just know that no one reads anymore so they stick it in the game now.
>>726060347Metroid Prime's good but I don't disagree with your sentiment. I've long since made my peace with the fact that what I like out of Super Metroid isn't something that the Metroid series is trying to foster or emulate.
>>726059885Fusion and Dread are way better than Super but AM2R is the best
>>726060603Nope. Hi-Jump Boots gets you enough height for most early stuff, then you get grapple beam and speed booster (which lets you jump higher/further with a running start even if you don't shinespark). By the time you need to find real horseshit you've got space jump and it doesn't matter.
>>726033057There's a few interesting enemies in TP but too much shit only does 1/4th or 1/2 of a heart for damage even late in the game
>>726033057I beat it when I was a kid and I was pretty garbage at game
>>725958374that was a translation issue iirc.
>>726023654>they didn't have to make the wall jump so jank in this gameironically making it easier would worsen the play experience for new players. the wall jump isn't necessary for the intended route at all, so making it easier would lead more players astray than it would help them.
>>726026249Lock his dialogue to save rooms, make him an AI, and then reveal he was actually the last boss all along, why fix what isn't broken?
>>726028263don't trust this anon, he's an energy vampire trying to trick you. the actual way to defeat them is to rapidly switch beam elements, either between a heat beam (plasma) and an ice beam, or a light beam and a dark beam depending on what your suit offers. the point is to trick them into absorbing opposite elements so that the internal instability kills them.
>>726031970now that you mention it yeah, if anything he should were a visor like Geordi La Forge from Star Trek.
>>726024093They still had a control page in the box, or sometimes they'd print it on the back of the box, showing you the controls.Plus, used/rented games, you kinda just accepted a little jank since you got them so cheap and you often dicked around and probably beat the game not knowing half the moves.
>>726065019>dialogue in a Metroid gameFuck off with this meme. All the bad games have so much extra reading. You improve Prime so much if you ignore the scan visor shit that goes full "MORPHOLGY: SHOOT THE SENSITIVE ZIMBLOR'S ASS SAMUS.
The thing that hurts about this is that I'm sure the game will probably be alright.But its a game that should have been kino.
>>726024093Wrong.
>>725961019I imagine the idiotic decision to make the X button default to shoot was to force players to open then menu to change the control scheme, educating them on the general controls.
>Metroid is about being isolated! Having NPCs kills the gameMeanwhile, fucking Metroid fusion interrupts you every 10 minutes to have your robot boyfriend talk to you.
https://youtu.be/j76qWVIW_FQ
Hilarious threadTY for posting
>>725990676Rhianna Pratchett was born in 1976. She's Gen X, just like every writer you zoomniggers pretend is millennial.
>>725958374Zelda 1 can be beaten without a guide.
>>725977995
>>726067469Try not being an ADHD faggot
>>726026249First step is to find out if this is a localization thing, and if it is, find who's responsible and fire the hell out of them and undo whatever they did.After that, pick a combination:A. Make it so he tries to be the quippy retard he is, but have him quickly realize Samus isn't really reacting to it, so he stops and takes things a little more seriously.B. Have his quippy meme shit get him in trouble by attracting hostile shit, which then scares him out of talking so much.C. Have him mostly be silent unless you open the map and press a button for him to give you intel. (Maybe each of the "team" can help with different things?)Then again from what we know I don't think fixing him would really help, the whole game feels like it's not made for Metroid fans and the more we learn about it, the more the game kinda seems like shit.>>726032063Call centers still often have cubicles, though the walls are a lot shorter and there's no privacy. Ironically, this means less sound-proofing, which is just a shit idea when you're trying to talk to the poor fucks on the line that you're trying to help.t. Used to work as a tech over the phone.>>726059885The game handholding you is actually a plot point, and it does open up after a bit. It's overall a pretty fan-favorite game by most people, I think.
>>726071127>see this WEBM every so often>can just picture playtesters fucking up the puzzle over and over again>imagine the dev team getting so mad at them that they just say "fuck it" and shows them the answer outright
>>726049930Wario and Cranky Kong were the kings of manual meta shit
>>725957059Where did all the color go?
>>726051285fourth dungeon*
>>726023345Are all modern gamers Disney adults then? They're all like this.
>>725986269Maybe because every mechanic in any video game ever is more complicated than wall jumping
>>726071127>wait a minute that candle
>>726071127Is this in the original version or did they add it for the HD port?
>>726030957MGS is a radioplay with video game segments.
>>726069907an it sucked the fun out of the gamefirst metroid with no exploration
>>726026249>but if samus absolutely had to have a companion for some reason how should it be done?
