The Steam Deck can/will run just about any game. This is not alone because of the specs but also because of SteamOS and the optimised nature of those games. Just like "Steam Deck Verified," the "Steam Machine Verified" tick will be a highly desirable metric for new games in the future. Therefore anyone saying "I could buy a prebuild for the same price!!" does not understand the bigger picture. This will be a premier machine. And with various narratives re. ray tracing and so on falling the way they are. There will not be anything this machine cannot run.
>>725964393is there a single good raytracing game yet?
It will hold the industry back with such slow hardware
>>725964532The industry will innovate. Hardware is nothing.
This will be my first serious PC and after talking to some guys here yesterday about KDE Plasma I'm really excited to learn Linux.
>>725964802nice, anon. you won't be disappointed with KDE.
>>725965492Thanks anon. I understand it's not rocket sciencd, but I've never used anything like it before. I was tempted to install Linux on my shitty laptop, but it has kind of every important account/document I need in my life. And partially I have the sense that as good as KDE Plasma is, I bet it will be even better in a purpose designed system by Valve.
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>>725966142make sure to install KDE connect (on phone, cube and browser extension), it allows your phone at act as a remote. it's probably one of my favorite features.if you don't need a very specific proprietary app or music production you'll be fine.
>>725964393The real market is Steamdeck users. They've spoken about how Steamdeck users are overwhelmingly using them as normal PCs and their advertisement made sure to let everyone know they are 6x better than the Steamdeck.The main market is for Steamdeck users. It's small enough that people who travel for work full time will buy one to go with the deck.This is also why they made it a big deal that you can file transfer with a physical media device lol. They're advertising without cutting idiots out of their market, that going from playing on the Deck to the Machine is quick and isn't a big setup. It's a no haatle upgrade for Deck users when they're in their hotel rooms or whatever.
>>725966634So cool
>>7259671806 times better than the Steam Deck is huge.
>>725966634The remote is like the most useless feature of kdeconnect to me lol. I mainly use it for clipboard and file sharing and notifications, sometimes also for finding my phone
>>725967234>useless feature>lists 4 features he uses
>>725967393i meant KDE connect as a whole, notifications, media control, ability to reply to messages etc.
>>725966238orenji is my spirit animal
What game do you guys estimate this machine COULDNT run?
>>725966634It drains my phone battery so I had to remove it
>>725968313DD2
>>725968313It will probably have to target 1080p/30fps on aaa ue5 slop.
>>725968390Drains less than 1% of mine, strange
>>725968313games that don't run on linux, games that need more than 8gb of vram
>>725966634Yeah, no, I prefer this neat little thing called SSH
>>725968313GTA 6 at max settings
>>725964532>It will hold the industry back with such slow hardwareNo it won't, it will force devs to actually optimize their fucking games. The hardware arms race is dead. Red Dead Redemption 2 is 7 years old and still looks better than basically anything coming out today. Having a spec floor is a good thing. For the people who want 4k 120 fps that option will be available on regular PC's.
>>725968585What is this even supposed to mean
>>725968563>games that don't run on linuxBasically just invasive anticheat nowadays. Nothing of value is lost.>games that need more than 8gb of vramMost of those will still work and the textures will simply end up in GTT in system memory instead, up to a maximum of half the system RAM.
>>725968313 Battlefield 6
>>725968712I'm making fun of the garbage shitware bloat that is KDE in case you failed to notice
>>725968553The android stats never tell the true drain. I removed it and immediately saw improvements of like half a day.
>>725964393>The Steam Deck can/will run just about any game.So can every gaming platform on the market
>>725968390>removeYou can just open it when you need it.
>>725968808Can you explain how SSH is a viable option to replace KDE connect with all its features without sounding like a retard?
>>725964514Cyberpunk with path tracing was nice in some areas.
>>725969135Not really feeling like it, sorry.
>>725964393>There will not be anything this machine cannot run.Have you ever heard of anti cheat anon?
>>725969438Yes because if you'd try you'd sound like a retard
>>725968934The app pings the PC constantly to get info like video player status.
>>725967180>6 times
>>725964393>No DVD driveHow am I supposed to get my games into the thing?
>>725970730steam?
>>725964393I'll wait until the actual benchmarks come out from the caveman and his $300M autism chamber or whatever the fuck it cost him. Still, 6x the Deck's performance sounds pretty good if it's about the price of a PS5 Pro.
>>725968720It's not just anti-cheat, there are games that have to be whitelisted for steamplay before they can run on linux
>>725964393SteamOS can run more games than Windows because, amazingly, Proton is superior to Windows Compatibility Mode.
>>725966238She's perfect.
Yes it will have something like a relevant 10 year lifecycle is my guess.
>>725967656based renji
>>725971316SteamOS will become something insurmountable in the next few years.
>>725971316And they need to give us the desktop version of the new Steam OS already. There's Bazzite but that's nowhere near as integrated an OS as Steam's is.
>>725964393Steam Deck can't run BF6, can't run Call of Duty, can't run Fortnite, and can't run Genshin Impact.It's dead on arrival.
>>725972286Well that's what it will be in the Steam Machine? I think they will improve and refine it kind of exclusively for the machine?
>>725972552You didn't understand my post. The OS is specifically built for the proprietary hardware configurations that Valve either makes or has approved of, people have tried using it on normal PCs for years but it actually results in errors and performance issues. This is why Bazzite is just Fedora with a bunch of SteamOS features backported into it.
>>725964393it's a flop you retarded shill>8gb vram>linux
>>725971271>there are games that have to be whitelisted for steamplay before they can run on linux
>>725973250saar pls be of using the copilut buttin to generade posts
>>725973382yes cope you retarded shill
>>725973497saar update the windows drivaars saar
>>725973382nobody but a shill would defend this piece of shit you retarded turd
>>725973583you are too obvious shill you retarded piece of shit
>>725973497>>725973590good morning saar pls be of doing the needful
>>725973131Yes I know. It doesn't work on PCs cause they don't want it to. And in future, however they improve it, they will prefer it is used on the Steam Machine. Exclusively.
valve has so much moneywhy couldn't they get nvidia gpus instead of the shit rdna2 garbage
>>725973668bloody YOU bloody
>>725973334Yeah it may still not work, using that you're just forcing a different (older) version of proton
imagine being the indian who has to pretend on 4chan this thing isn't the biggest piece of shit
>>725974154but this isn't a thread about Windows?
>>725974239valve's indian gets immediately upsetsaar do not redeem
>>725974154bloody benchod update the needful saar
>>725974407saar please redeem the shitbox saarcope you retarded shill this thing is a huge flop
>>725969397>CyberpunkNo
>>725964393Being able to run and being able to run well are two different things. You can play the Oblivion remake on a deck. But why put yourself through that ?
>>725964532>It will hold the industry back with such slow hardwareWe are 2 years out max from the next gen consoles. 2 years after that is when devs will stop supporting the XSX/PS5. The way I see it the Gabecube has a 4 year shelf life and then devs will stop worrying about being Steam Machine Verified same with the Deck but maybe sooner.
>>725974735>faggot can get over the pastcyberpunk is great
I guess valve doesn't pay that indian high enough to defend the shitbox
>>72597495810 years
>>725970889That'll just ruin the electronics.
>>725974735You asked if it looked good, that's all. The pool for sci-fi stuff is pretty low to begin with.
>>725964393>I could buy a prebuild for the same priceWell no fucking shit of course you could. You are not the intended audience for this fucking thing. It really suits two groups: Console boys looking to break into pc gaming but are afraid to leave their couches, and people who already have a higher spec rig who want to be able to easily play their games in a different room on a television.>>725964514Not really, RT is a gimmick and it will remain a gimmick until it is no longer a "Please cut my framerate in half to make the lights look a little prettier" button>>725964532My brother in Christ this is what consoles have been doing since the beginning of home video games. The difference is that devs are not ONLY incentivized to optimize for whatever the current gen console spec is. For the Machine they can easily just optimize for it, high spec gaming rigs, the deck, and the Switch. Any effect this has on optimization is positive.>>725968446This would be a self solving issue if people would just fucking stop buying unoptimized UE5 games
>>725973971Not only can you use any version of proton with that, you can even use versions of proton from third party sources, like proton-ge
>>725964532how lol when 70% of pc gamers dont have anything better then that box
>>725976515>My brother in Christ this is what consoles have been doing since the beginning of home video games.PS5 Pro and the Xbox series X is still more powerful and advanced gaming hardware in the world. It's not their fault that PC gaming is holding everyone back with poor specs and poorfags.
>>725964532Hardware has been good enough for all the unambitious shit AAA wants to do for a fucking decade at this point, hardware requirements only go up because devs are increasingly worse at their jobs
>>725974564The term shitbox has always been reserved for the xbox. You shit covered jeet lmao
>>725977429*ARE still THE MOST powerful and advanced gaming hardware in the worldIf you're gonna spout random bullshit at least do it with something resembling proper grammar
>>725973808>why couldn't they get nvidia gpus instead of the shit rdna2 garbagenvidia drivers for linux are proprietary garbage while AMD cards enjoy amdgpu right from the kernel
>>725978996why don't they just write their own driver
>>725979093https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Nouveautldr it sucks + nvidia doesn't do shit to help the project (excl. some recent developments that resulted in LITERALLY NOTHING new for the end user)
>>725979093There are open source drivers for nvidia cards but they're not as good since it's an uphill battle without nvidia cooperating.
>>725973808The whole idea of linux for Valve is that they're hedging their bets against Microsoft ever really fucking them.So it makes no sense for Valve to replace Microsofts potential gun to the head with Nvidia's. Begging nvidia to do things on linux has never been a winning proposition. Meanwhile Valve throwing money at open source guys has gotten them 90% of what they want whenever they do it and the AMD linux driver is open source.
>>725978996Nvidia doesn't have the ACO shader compiler
>>725980143>Nvidia doesn't have the [free software alternative for one of driver's components]yeah novideo fucking sucks, bless Lisa Su
>>725964532It will hold the industry back (from hiring infinity jeets to make games with graphical fidelity from 2010 but drawing >800w at the outlet on 2025 hardware) with such slow hardware
>>725964532Oh please, pc games have been unopermised messes for years now. Shit like this is actually a good thing since it forces devs to actually bother.
>>725964393I mostly agree. It'll run every game and it'll run them all fairly well.Comparisons to similar-on-paper AMD cards (7600) should be done with care because(1) it's not exactly the same chipand (2) at least on hardware that Valve has paid the FOSS driver devs to focus on, games tend to run mildly to moderately better on Linux than on Windows.Also, and this is something I think they really need to emphasise in their marketing: Using fixed hardware sidesteps the entire shader compilation issue. Valve compiles them for you and includes them when you install the game.So playing on the machine instead of a normal PC should mean no shader compilation stutter during gameplay and also no waiting 20 minutes at a "compiling shaders" screen.With that said we're still talking about sub-Series X, probably sub-PS5 performance and the price needs to reflect that. They absolutely cannot charge PS5 Pro prices for a box that performs worse than a base PS5. Reviewers would laugh it out of the room and consumers would vote with their wallets.
How much outrage do you think there will be when all the normies they're targeting with this dogshit console launch it and find out they can't play 80% of their dogshit normie games because it's Linux and can't do kernel anti-cheat
>>725981612>80%I don't think that there are that many games with malware anti-cheats on the market for someone's Steam library to be cut by 80% percent (would be interesting to see how devs cope with the fact that you can't force GNU/Linux users to install spyware)
>>725982025I said normies, all the games normies play have kernel anti-cheat. (COD, Battlefield, Fifa, etc.)
>>725982025They're already coping with it by not allowing it.
>>725982157>codSteam numbers say that no one plays cod these days>battlefield>fifayeah would be fun to see normalfags' reaction jej>>725982210ATM it's just 3% of Steam userswould they ignore GNU/Linux when it becomes 5%? 10%? 25%?
>>725982431I love fantasy scenarios too.
>>725968313Fortnite
>>725982509Anon, Valve is about to sell normie-friendly computer running GNU/Linuxif it becomes successful (which is possible with a sane price tag) the industry will have to acknowledge GNU/Linux's existence
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>>725982621Tim Sweeney will never let Fortnite run on Troonix
>>725983627why would anyone play Fortnite when there's GMod?
How much do you think the controller will cost?
>>725983829$100 because I feel like they bought the patent from the troll
>>725968313Monster Hunter Wilds
>>725975543If the steambox has roughly the power of a base ps5/xsx I can't see AAA devs justifying putting in extra resources to make sure it runs optimally on the steambox when they've stopped supporting ps5/xsx. If it runs on the box that's great but they're not gonna go out of their way for it. Especially if it has a install base of something like 4 to10 million. The ps5 has 84 million right now.
>>725964532As if the only thing pushing the industry forward is power, which plateaued YEARS ago, yet is somehow still increasing in price. You're a retard. This is exactly what the PC and gaming industry needs. It's windows competition, consolized Linux, and it will FORCE innovation and optimization.
>>725977085Ok and it still might not work. Ask valve why they won't releasea list of games that can actually run on linux
>>725986013They don't have to. They will all run on Steam OS. That is why people will buy the machine.
>>725964393This might as well be a MINI-PC as there's no point in having a console when you have unlimited possibilities with a Mini-PC.I just bought one a few months ago because my beloved HP Pavilion of 15 years was kaput. I was initially going to buy another tower but after seeing soo many people talk about Mini-PC's I did some research and decided to by the MINISFORUM UM890 Pro Mini PC from Amazon at $1000 and I'm glad I did because it's fantastic for not just gaming but everything else you can normally do on a PC with tons of memory and power! Seriously, owning a console today is pointless and only a status symbol as people were loosing their fucking minds trying to get a PS5 just to say they had one while it's been a colossal disappointment overall with the Pro being a disaster!So I'm not sure what this Steam Box is meant to be? Obviously it's advertised for gaming but I wonder if they're just calling it that to disguise that you're just buying a Mini-PC?Now if you do like having physical media such as disks and Blurays it would be wise to sell a player separately that plugs into the box that way you have the best of both worlds!!!FACT!!!
>>725985805>This is exactly what the PC and gaming industry needs. It's windows competition, consolized Linux, and it will FORCE innovation and optimization.PC game performances plateaus with every console generation. A steambox that is already 2 generation removed from cutting edge isn't going to do shit to force innovation and optimization unless Gabe decided Valve is a game developer again and not just a online digital retailer that sometimes makes a vr tech demos or some per-built hardware.
>Mini pcIf it cost more than 600 I don't see ppl buying it, desu. Any consolefag would be better off buying prebuilt or building. It needs to be as accessable as possible.
>>725974958>>72597554310 years is a stretch given that it's launching mid-way through a console cycle.It's reasonable to assume that it'll be a semi-target platform (like the Deck currently is) for as long as devs are still releasing PS5 versions. That'll be quite a long time given how long generations have become nowadays.>>725971271>>725986013Of all the challenges this thing will face, compatibility (anticheat notwithstanding) isn't going to be one of them. I don't have a Deck but I do have an mini HTPC running bazzite-deck (a version of Bazzite that boots into Steam Big Picture like the Deck). It's flawless and it's not even technically steamos.They'll need to do something about the anticheat problem though. Possibly funding a Linux-compatible one. I don't know much about anticheat, but maybe they could license VAC even for non-Steam games? It's supposed to be quite effective, doesn't involve kernel space, and runs on Linux already.
