>Is the most retarded and jewish game ever
As someone who's never played it, I gotta say, I agree.
My wife, Elizabeth.
>>725966756Maybe, but the guns feel good.
>>725967152>pure innocent christian girl becomes a slut in underwateri wonder what they meant by this
>>725966756https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_u18_BKczg
But enough about Bioshock 2.
>>725967739>t. Kenny
Every year people shit more on Infinite.It was a decent game and I liked the story and overall presentation I dont feel obligated to get constantly butthurt over it or bait threads just for communal jerk off sessions.
>>725966756the first game is more jewish. every major character is jewish.
>>725966756No game has been as memoryholed as this one. All journos back in the day cumming their pants off on how "vidya are finally le art!", fast-forward a decade and nobody gives a single shit about Infinite nor are the game's plot and characters discussed outside of how >>725967152 wants to be cucked every thread. IMAGINE being Ken Levine.
>>725967864>I liked the story and overall presentationExplain to me how Elizabeth's power worksOr how in an infinite universe killing your Dewitt will somehow stop Comstock?
>>725966756I was completely blind the loxism in the game, it just went completely over my head in 2013.
>>725968148Gaming journos have been trash since their conception
>>725967336/thread
>>725968148>IMAGINE being Ken LevineImagine having millions of dollars and making multiple critically acclaimed games? (System Shock 2, Bioshock 1, Infinite) oh wow truly a terrible predicament to be in
>>725968191Getting drowned by a harem of hot daughter-wives is a patrician fetish.
>>725968191the first time you shoot a coomstock all versions of him should have immediately been lobotomized like they fucking established with the racist asian guy
>>725966756Fallout 3 is a masterpiece in writing compared to this game.
>>725968148It got forgotten because The Last of Us came out a few months later and that wound up becoming the new pet favourite of journalists because it was a more competently made game in addition to it having Oscarbait elements in it.
>>725966756my memory is so poor i dont even remember why the girl on the right is so grown up. Isnt she younger in the game? Was there like an epilogue or something where she was older. I played the game on launch
>two gun limit>no hackingWhat was Ken Levine thinking?
>>725968401See? This "story" doesn't make any fucking sense.
>>725968619He wasn't
>Bioshock Infinite was a victim of what I’m going to start calling the Shadow The Hedgehog effect, where a piece of media is such an affront to normalfags that they enact a self-fulfilling prophecy on it and try to kill it out of spite while blaming it for its own failure. In the case of video games, this can manifest as staff leaving the project or content being cut, resulting in instability, narrative discohesion, ammunition for detractors to fallaciously associate the game’s strengths with the resultant issues (SEE?! NO ONE LIKES IT WHEN YOU MAKE IT LIKE X), etc. Shadow The Hedgehog was an instance where Sonic Team tried to make a good solo game for Shadow after 3+ good games in a similar style (SA1, SA2, Heroes) and it inexplicably came out worse than the others because Shadow angered normalfags who sabotaged it. Bioshock Infinite lost plot points, gameplay features, scripting, pacing and more, suffered the wrath of Arin/Dunkey-type game critics who showered it in praise and then performatively started hating it 4 years later for maximum contrast, and is, to this day, still having the “condemning both sides is conservatism” cudgel shoved down its throat by the baby-oiled hands of pedophiles like the Twitter poster OP stole this thread from. I think /v/ will have a much easier time understanding some of its pet conflicts and wrapping its head around the tactics of its abusers if it views them through this lens.
>>725968342>working on a dev team is making those games all on your ownNeed I remind you what dogshit Tim Cain produced after Fallout?
>>725966756>quantum physics but taken literally instead of theoretically ( and wrongfully so )that's why bing bing wahoo isn't taken seriously
>>725968950>quantum physicsIs that what you call it?It's just fucking magic.
>is the most retarded raped nigger whore everThis is about your mom, BTW. >>725968906You already take theories literally, you wigger raped tardturd shitbird. Get raped!
>>725968902????
>>725967864>I liked frivolities not related to pure gameplay ( and the wrapping still is subpart compared to what it's trying to ape )average bioshot shitfinite fan
>>725969150Kenny, please.
>>725968148The only other game I can think of that had a similar level of acclaim for a bad story that ended up getting memoryholed this hard is Braid. In fact it's kind of funny how similar the situations ended up being.,
>>725968902Shadow The Hedgehog is looked back on more fondly than Infinite though. Largely due to people who grew up playing it being adults now and also the memes surrounding it.
Columbia was more progressive than mainland America.
>>725969248>bro, what if mario was a stalker???
another bioshock threadanother year that Judas won't release
>>725969248>Anniversary Edition is still Steam-onlyMeh, serves him right.
>>725969248Braid is still kind of remembered though. It popularised the whole “arthouse platformer” genre. Even though it’s not as popular now, it’s still a highly influential game.
>>725969424>he thinks Mighty Number 9: The Immersive Sim will release
>>725969057It's not magic, it's probing at the unknown and getting consistent applications from it in real life without fully understanding the sum and then vulgarization channels exploit the shit out of it with the care and subtlety of marvel writers. As a result it impacts global culture in a lessening way with extended range. Like how it happened in this shit ass game.
>>725969496This is the first time I've heard of it in years
>>725969496No one gave a fuck about the remaster, tho, despite having comprehensive commentary on the history of the game (I guess, I know it was comprehensive -which is why the game costed so much, given that it had to be translated- to plenty of languages, but I don't know the contents of said commentary). Not even journos.>Anniversary Edition did not receive much media attention or advertising. Jonathan Blow said in a livestream that Anniversary Edition "sold like dogshit" and that Thekla couldn't afford to pay any of its employees after its sales missed expectations by so much.
>>725969727serves him right
>>725969496I literally haven't seen a single person mention Braid in... I think 10 years now. I say I think because it's been so long I genuinely can't remember. Even Bioshock Infinite at least still gets threads like this, Braid seems totally forgotten in comparison.
the original bioshock's story also sucked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwZBdWRSBRs>people still remember MachinariumFeels good, man. I hope they release the source code for the custom engine they made for the re-release.They use Unity now, so it shouldn't harm their profits.
>>725966756whenever a jew sees a beautiful functioning society it feels the need to portray it as evil and destroy it
>>725969248>that had a similar level of acclaim for a bad story that ended up getting memoryholed
>>725969248>bad storyI don't even remember it having a storywho tf cares, it's a puzzle platformer.v niggers complain about the most mundane shit
>>725969887People like to bring up Braid to make fun of Blow because of that infamous part of Indie Game: The Movie.
>>725968541>leftStarting outfit>middleOriginal outfit got too damaged so she had to wear her (adoptive) mother's dress for the rest of the game (which also serves as a symbolic transition from girl to woman)>rightDLC Timeskip
>Hey what big scene should end the intro sequence?>Oh I know, a circus where a crowd evil racists are about to throw baseballs at an interracial couple tied up on a stage!
>>725967152No, you don't want Elizabeth's fat milky tits, you want ownership of digital media and DRM-free single player. Stay focused.
>>725969928Automata is at least remembered for its soundtrack and 2B porn.>>725970126I always felt Elizabeth was really overrated. She’s a waifubait character through and through that the game tries far too hard to get you to sympathise with, and it makes me genuinely shocked that Levine was at all surprised at people sexualising her.
>>725969928That game literally cannot be memoryholed because of 2B.
>>725970360>>725970416Just like Elizabeth
>>725969976It was heavily praised for its story when it came out and the fact that you can't remember it is exactly what he was talking about lmao. It was literally one of the first games media sucked off for its "deep and complex" story.
>>725968906Arcanum? A much better game.
>>725970360Devs in the 2010s were especially out of touch with their audience's relationship to female characters. I'll never forget the Tomb Raider 2013 dev saying "You'll want to protect her."
>>725969927They can't help themselves.Mods, this is not /pol/ shit. The first game was unironically compared to Israel by the developer.
>>725966756I've learned that redditors apparently hate this game too because it says "both sides bad" (right wing government vs left wing rebels)
>>725970836Great.
>>725970836lolthey didn't play the DLC where it turns out the crazy "genius" black chick didn't actually kill those kids: she was just pretending to so Elizabeth would have the heart to kill Dewitt (THIS IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS IN THE DLC)
>>725968148>>725969248Why was it that from 2010-2014, artsy, somewhat pretentious games where all the rage with gamers and critics? Most of those games wound up being forgotten. I think Journey, The Stanley Parable, TLOU and Spec Ops:The Line are the only artsy games from this period that are still remembered.
>>725970836Nobody likes this game because it's shit if you can rub even two braincells together. Reddit also probably dislikes things like severe pain and having cancer, sometimes something is just bad.
>>725970292Can't we have both?
>>725966756It is up there.
>>725971142What takes #1 in your spot?
>>725970517>It was literally one of the first games media sucked off for its "deep and complex" storyGames stories have been getting praised for their relative complexity since the 90s.
>>725970986Xbox Live Arcade
>>725971187Revan's twist was actually great.
how long until the white house tweet this unironically?
Cum
>>725971362never
Remember when Matthewmatosis said the n word while shitting on this game? Good times
>>725971391stock
>>725970360catch
>>725971482that was niceand an honest criticism of all media trying to portray nazis and white supremasists
JUST OPEN THE PORTAL TO PARIS YOU DUMB BITCH
>>725971601Kenny is... a little slow
>>725970952>black person did a bad thing in your story?THAT'S RACIST! Change it immediately!Things aren't great nowadays but at least we moved past that shit.
>>725971187There was a happening in the Xbox 360 era where everyone was trying to prove Roger Ebert wrong when he said games aren't art. Most of the people trying to prove him wrong were illiterate neckbeards and ghouls who were praising slop that nobody plays or talks about anymore, but Braid was one of the games most commonly brought up as an example of storytelling unique to gameplay.
>>725971482Memes aside, it’s a valid point he made. Wanting to discuss racism as a serious topic in your game, and then not having the guts to have the characters say period appropriate slurs just cheapens the message. Considering how heavily praised Tarantino films are amongst progressives, you’d think they’d take his advice that having a racist bad guy in a story say “nigger” is totally fine.
>>725971714Now they portray the bad things they do as good things!
>>725971187Not really outside of gaming publications. This was stuff like NPR and Time Magazine sucking these games off.
>>725969248Anybody else think that guy looks like Mario in a business suit?
>>725971739good lord
I went into Bioshock Infinite expecting an absolute disaster but it was a pretty fun AAA singleplayer shooter with some cool powers and nice art direction. I understand the disappointment but it feels like its now gotten to a point where this game is overhated instead
>>725971739The thing is that Roger Ebert ended up redacting that statement anyway, saying he was wrong, so it was a redundant exercise anyway. And even if he didn’t, why would they care about the opinions of a film critic. It’d be like listening to a music critic’s opinions about movies.
>>725971562>>725971792I unironically don't understand why media is so afraid to show bad guys doing bad things these days. Yeah a racist guy probably uses racist terminology, a murderer probably murders, that's how you make it clear that they're actually convicted in their beliefs and as presented as a villain make the audience dislike them more. It's like storytelling 101 and modern media seems to act like if you have a villain do something villainous you're condoning it? Fucking bizarre.
>>725970517it wasn't even the first indie praised for its story zoomie
>>725971482The entire video is amazing. One of the best written reviews in history desuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdNhwb7iuI4
>>725972037>. It's like storytelling 101 and modern media seems to act like if you have a villain do something villainous you're condoning it? Fucking bizarre.Think about why liberal democrat Joe Rogan is seen as a Republican now: he allows the right wing to speak.
>>725972037It comes down to people being unable to separate art from the artist. They believe that depicting something= endorsing it. It’s the same reason Christian fundies in the 90s hated Doom for featuring demons, even though the demons were the bad guys.
>>725970986Spec Ops: The Line deserves credit for pulling this off without any kind of re-release. Hell, now it's delisted.
>>725966756>Whites are le racistAnd you immediately jump to "this is Jewish". How curious.
>>725971792Anon, Levine is literally Jewish.
>>725971601>Kenny said that Elizabeth is his daughter and asked people not to make porn using her model>At the same time designed her with straight up anime gacha game outfit exposing her huge tits and included scenes like THIS in the game
>>725972443Meant for >>725972382.
>>725967152your wife fucks dogs
>>725972020Videogame hobbyists will react to any provocation whatsoever, which makes them easy prey for outsiders trying to ragebait and engagement farm. Everyone has the perception that games are intellectually beneath all other forms of media, and gamers are desperate to prove them wrong by tokenizing every game that tells a half-impressive story by Hollywood standards. Also by having cringe award shows with awkward celebrity guests.
>>725966756>there's an infinite amount of versions of comstock i.e. you.>I got it! I'll drown this version of you, and that'll solve everything! so sorry :'(
>>725972514Stuff like this makes it blatantly clear that her being your daughter was added as a last-minute thing because Levine hated the porn. I mean it's literally a last-minute addition to the story. Before that it feels way more like a romance than anything like family. And ironically he just played into incest fetishism which was starting to really blow up around then.
>>725972514this version was the one cut from the game though.
>>725972514only he is allowed to lewd his daughter>>725972382https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URT9bElMxEA
>>725972352It’s probably because Spec Ops was a brutal satire of the modern military dudebro shooter genre, which was a plague upon the industry back then. Plus, there was the shock value of the fact that it wasn’t marketed as a satire, so the surprise made it memorable. There’s also the fact that the game is actually really well executed, with fantastic art direction and really good psychological horror elements, which is easy to appreciate. It would be like if a game came out now that pretended to be either a Ubisoft clone or a Souls clone, only for it to be a dark satire of those genres.
>>725972874lollmao
I never played but I jacked off a lot to it.
>>725971792>>725972037>>725972302It's about control, you mongs.Having a constantly updating list of wrong-thinking shifts your focus from asking "what is true?" to "what is politically correct?", and you'll eventually stop questioning their demands.
>>725972673The thing is that it’s not like games aren’t taken seriously as an artform. Tetris is in a museum and games have the same legal protections as all other art forms (which they didn’t have for the first few decades of their existence).
2gunsLMAO!2GUNS!
>>725970986>JourneyOh man, that game has a special place in my heart. I alway boot it up every couple of years when I just need to defuse.
>>725973029good job, anon
Krogan's meta-analysis of the Bioshock games written by Levine is the best polemic against this game. But if you're just gameplay-agnostic, I guess it wouldn't really matter.
>filter out 3d>actual good amount of Liz porn is minimalgoddammit
>>725972874But it was ignored at release.https://www.metacritic.com/game/spec-ops-the-line/critic-reviews/?platform=pc (16)To compare it with another 2K game released the same year.https://www.metacritic.com/game/borderlands-2/critic-reviews/?platform=pc (38)
What is a thought experiment you actually find interesting and nonpretentious?
>>725973516Schrodinger's Cat
>>725972037Because it violates didactic protocol. By having a character, villain or otherwise, engage in taboo behaviour, they see it as a condonement of such since they believe gaming should be more about instruction than having fun. It's why they arguments like "You're enjoying it wrong" or "We shouldn't put this in the game because SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE might misunderstand it." Didacticism in gaming is a double-edged sword that has its one edge dulled into a roadblock for any writing to push the envelope. That's it, that's the reason why racist characters can't say nigger.
>>725973516An orbital habitat is accelerated to c. It explodes.Was the orbital habitat instantly destroyed or does it exist within some infinite relativity?
>>725973376It was a flop, but it gained a cult following and became a cult classic. Cult classics usually flop commercially because they appeal to a very specific niche.
>>725973516Laplace's demon. I put it in every story I write that involves intelligence and determinism.
>>725972037>>725973758It is actually because these people do not have inner monologue. Think of why so much of modern media relies on you self inserting into the main characters. It is because these people are legit incapable of imagining different perspectives. If the character doesn't talk like them it's wrong, it's evil, it's scary. So a villain doing evil things is literal heresy to them because if they show a Nazi doing crimes they really think they are that pixelated Nazi doing it.
>>725973082As someone who spends a near-equal amount of time with every form of popular media, my perception is that games are relatively unserious and most gamers like it that way. If you want great stories, read a great book; if you want personal emotional expression from an individual, listen to music or read poetry; if you want a multimedia experience that thoroughly explores interesting topics, watch a classic film. In theory, videogames should excel with their interactive nature, but they're almost completely unconcerned with making art as opposed to fun time killers. If a videogame isn't a fun time killer, akin to a board game or a card game, it's almost worthless.
>>725972748Yeah. For me, it becomes clear every single time I watch the scene where Booker is trying to romantically hold her hand. The way they meet is also something straight out of a classic romantic Disney movie or rom-com anime. If they were intended to be related from the start, you would see signs of foreshadowing throughout the game, but that's not the case. Their relationship and interactions are basic: "Cynical badass + ditsy cute girl romance 101" cliche. They have zero "father and daughter" chemistry, and the final twist of Booker being another version of Zachary came out of outer space
>>7259667562013 was such a fucking shit year that to this day I still question if I died back then and I've been living in hell since.
>>725974103fuck off anon
>>725973231
>>725967152you wife has been passed around, you know that right?
>>725974342>not being able to save whenever you wantWhy?
>>725968296Oh great, the "things never changed" poster
>>725974103 It's because people have seen what "serious" games are like. It's not a lack of serious games, it's just that people don't know what serious means for a video game format. Assuming here that "serious" means "dramatic flair" rather than anything "serious" that warrants problem-solving skills and capacity for multi-level deduction like Shenzhen I/O or any other puzzle game.
>>725968296
>>725974103You CAN tell a compelling story in a game, but it’s a lot harder to do so than it is in any other medium precisely BECAUSE of the interactive element. You’re essentially writing a story where you as the author only have partial control over what the main character does, and the rest is in the hands of the players, who will often do things that are out of character for the MC (hence why the term “ludonarrative dissonance” exists). Plus, there’s also a tone of great stories that don’t make for good gameplay. Crime and Punishment would be an absolutely terrible game for example. Unless you do what a lot of “movie games” do where you make the game heavily scripted and severely limit player freedom, then you can really only tell adventure stories or action movie plots in vidya without breaking immersion.
>>725974463Narrative incongruity.
>>725973003I wish I spent more time jacking off to it than playing it. Jacking off to it is an infinitely (lel) more enjoyable experience than playing it desu
I don't understand why mainstream media took all the way until the late 00s to start suddenly praising the stories in games, and often praising kind of poor ones just for trying out some harder subject matter that they often failed at. The 90s and early to mid 00s were full of games that people praised for their stories which frankly are just tighter than what mainstream media picked up on at the time. Honestly in retrospect it's really condescending, like they thought games were all just the narrative equivalent of Mario before then.
>>725974532yes>>725974654what?
>>725970986It wasn't just games, that short amount of time was huge for pseudo-intellectualism in general, see how people talked about stuff from the time like Interstellar or The Hunger Games like they're these 2deep4u stuff that only a genius would understand.
>>725975006It's a funny review, from a journoq.
>>725975039oh goddon't remind me
>>725974654Holy fucking KEK. I miss the times when reviewers were funny and could actually write
>>725966756Unironically my favorite BioShock. It's comfy. Booker looks an índio on this poster.
>>725974930Because no art form is taken seriously by the mainstream public in its infancy. Novels used to be considered trashy escapism and a waste of time centuries ago. If anything, games got considered serious art far faster than most other mediums.
I can't believe I used to play this game religiously on my Xbox 360. What the fuck was I thinking? I replayed all the bioshock games this year and it's unreal how shit this game is, even at a surface level.
>>725974595Serious doesn't have to mean dramatic. Vladimir Nabokov, Buster Keaton, and Frank Zappa are all serious artists. I'd also consider Shigeru Miyamoto a serious artist.>>725974721The interactive element makes it harder to tell non-interactive stories, which is what many "serious" games like The Last of Us and Baldur's Gate 3 try to do, but that is far from the only way to make serious art. A lot of art is simply a stimulating, thought-provoking, pleasurable, or terrifying world to be fully immersed in, and this is where interaction has the most potential to innovate. A well-designed level in some MMORPG slop where you RP with strangers is unironically more artful than trying and failing to emulate Hollywood.
>>725973363>Jewish author writing a milquetoast liberal message of "both extremes are bad" that actual woketards hated so much they bullied him into making changes? Nah, he actually hates white people and his story is about White GenocideI don't think his channel should have been nuked from YT, but God, he is retarded.
>>725972612and me
>>725975346NTA. The video is great because it shows how much Levine distorted history in order to make his retarded point.
>>725975278How so?
>>725966756>jewish game ever No
>>725975278You were impressionable. Most people like things when they’re younger that they then go on to think is trash when they’re younger grow older. I used to love lots of movie-tie in shovelware games growing up in the PS2 era and was mostly blind to their flaws.
>>725972612Correct.>>725974380Of course! Everyone's had a turn on my honey.>>725973003>>725974916>>725975397Thanks!
>>725975346Except that's literally what the story is about? It's so fucking nonsensical in terms of plot devices and things just happening but that remains its one constant.
>>725975342That’s very true. But that’s just another argument as to why games are art. The original Doom is a better work of art than Bioshock Infinite because of the craftsmanship involved.
>>725974930Because the games started to look like movies and make more money than them.
>>725975278There was unironically like a mass hysteria surrounding the game when it came out.
System Shock 2 is supreme
>>725973595Laplace's demon beats Schrodinger's Cat>>725973831Outside perspective they dead inside they stuck in timeI hate this one: "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
>>725975342>serious doesn't have to be dramaticWithout drama, what story is there to even tell? Drama here being a composition in verse or prose intended to portray life or character or to tell a story usually involving conflicts and emotions through action and dialogue and typically designed for theatrical performance. Video GAMES violate this principle fundamentally as it is a ludo-oriented medium first and foremost. The way you would implement "drama" into video games is to ironically make less of a game or the harder part, weave it into gameplay harmoniously.
Still doesn't beat fallout 4 on the retard meter, but probably on the kike meter
>>725975818>I hate this one: "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"things exist outside our observation, yes
>>725967336holy shit. I never knew Bioshock was so intellectual.
>>725966756For as retarded as this game is, it at least brought BaS Elizabeth into the world
>>725975440A point Krogan didn't even understand?>>725975586The constant that stops being true when the game says "both extremes bad"? Are you retarded?
He's back by the way.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdkPFNYik9M
FUTA ELIZABETH>FUTA ELIZABETHFUTA ELIZABETH>FUTA ELIZABETHFUTA ELIZABETH>FUTA ELIZABETHFUTA ELIZABETH>FUTA ELIZABETH
>>725975706Something I always found weird about the push to make games more like movies is that it always seems to be just focused on scriptwriting and adding cinematic setpieces. There’s not focus on things like cinematography, blocking or other elements of cinema.Essentially, I guess what I’m asking is why don’t they take inspiration from better movies as opposed to just whatever films are popular at the time of the game’s release?
>>725970986Hotline Miami 1 and 2 were really the only great games to come out of that whole trend
>>725966756>game about a white man imposing his will through impressive violence>game where neither race communists nor race purists are good guys>religious fundamentalism is just a backdrop to authoritarian tyrannyIt's plenty cucked but it gets some things right. Unfortunately, Levine is fucking retarded and the game went through too many rewrites to actually be sensible. A lot of shit kinda sucked about it too despite having a nice premise and Columbia being one of the most pleasant settings shat out into a video game, along with the artistically great rapture dlc>>725967165>Make every gun sexo mode>let you only carry twoNow this was peak jewish cuck shit on top of the Halo shield
>>725975945welcome to the big leagues, buckarooif only you knew how smart jews really are
>>725975901With the double-slit experiment in mind is it so simple?
>>725975967>The constant that stops being true when the game says "both extremes bad"? Are you retarded?lollmao
>>725968401>>725968742The reason for this (retarded as it is) is that Asian guy was shot in the head during one of Elizabeth's power uses so it sort of shoves the trauma everywhere else, Coom man only dies wholesale when Booker decides to accept death before he could have the baptism and his daughter. It's pretty fucking retarded but it has some degree of consistency
>>725975868Honestly, some of the best moments in any game is when they find a way to convey drama through gameplay. The end of Halo Reach where you just have to hold out until you die is a great example of this.
>>725974342>INFINITE TIMELINES. INFINITE POSSIBILITIES >No timeline where Booker (an ultra strong walking killing machine man armed to the teeth with weapons and powers who cleared entire Columbia from hundreds of ultra dangerous armies of soldiers, power freaks, cyborgs, and flying military ships) refuses to die and fights off / runs away / negotiates with 5 tiny cute defenseless womenBravo Kenny. Bravo. Also no map.
>>725974103>board game or a card gameWait a minute... that card...
>>725975039It's this. It was the apex of the "golden age" of liberalism. They had just swept the political board with high minded rhetoric and ideals, with a supermajority being on board. Everything "worked" and it was stupid to disagree. People only got comfortable disagreeing with this bullshit once there was a complete and utter failure to deliver tangible results. This pattern fits for every trend in politics, so have fun watching conservatives destroy their "swing" now too.
A film that pauses itself in random intervals with the viewer having to press play to continue is technically considered a video game: Yea or Nay?
Please don't tell my father about this...
>>725976512That's what DVD games are all about.
>>725972514Ken Levinehttps://youtu.be/Wz9Gye5jiiA?t=89
>>725976512What's the lose condition?
>>725976310What fucking consistency?
>>725976607Frustration to stop 'playing'.
>>725976310So Elizabeth is a god reigning over all existence?
This is my lizzyhttps://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=2037813
Wholesome date with pure innocent Liz without any weird or creepy sex innuendos
>>725976615Consistency is letting Elizabeth's powers cause shit to happen in other dimensions. I did say, it's fucking retarded I had thought that maybe when she lost her pinky or her head in the one Comstock/Booker Rapture episode this would be contradictory but that wasn't her doing it, it was the Luteces doing their weird shit again
Libs absolutely suck as a cultural dominant force, they can only critique rather than glorify.
>>725976249>why yes, I am retardedThank you for clarifying, anon.Honestly, it's really funny to me you people think Levine is an evil genius when Infinite was barely coherent, by your own admission.
>>725976715Yeah until she had a woman moment and willingly crawled back in to an avoidable death twice. Same thing the Luteces are doing I think. Elizabeth is kind of collapsing the multiple dimensions into one observable one when she uses her powers or something so it makes whatever she did happen everywhere, which is how she managed to kill Comstock despite logically there should have been a version of Elizabeth that wouldn't have killed her dad
>>725976783
>>725977031and they I fuck her in her asshole
>>725970126>adoptive mother no, that's her actual biological mother from another timeline. Booker and Comstock are married to the same person.
>>725974342Also the ending makes no sense, how does killing Booker prevent Cumstock from existing? Thats not how it works if there are infinite timelines.
>>725976927>have taken over all the institutions since the 50'sSmall wonder why that is
>>725976843oh my fucking christ>>725977017multiverse shit needs to be left alone
>>725976483I don’t think that has anything to do with psuedo-intellectualism being a trend. I think what actually happened is that the 2000s were dominated by media that was “turn your brain off” entertainment, and some people were sick of that, so the pseudo-intellectual works were a backlash against that. The reason it turned out PSEUDO-intellectual however was because the creators of these works were usually middle class liberals who thought they were a genius just because they went to university, but had nothing meaningful to actually say.
>>725977107This is an interesting theory but is it ever proven? I know the idea is that Booker knocks up a whore around the age of 22/23 and Comstock also married a whore who was infertile (or was it Comstock?) but idk if this was every confirmed that they're the same person
>>725976989>it's really funny to me you people think Levine is an evil genius when Infinite was barely coherentdid this make sense when you thought of it in your head?
>>725972104>I heard the word "Negro" a few times, but never the word "Nigger". I also never saw any black person getting whipped or being raped by their white master. It really took me out of the experienceMatt what the hell
>>725977159It does need to be, it basically sucks every time and there's maybe a handful of redeemable multiverse shit out there
>>725975868A game that uses gameplay to tell a specific story is a different type of serious game altogether. The artistic goal isn't always to tell a story, but to create a world we can exist in where the individual is telling themselves a story. At its best, gameplay has the same organic and abstract "drama" as points and counter-points in music, which is a different type of seriousness in that medium than narratively-driven music, or something like Jimi Hendrix's National Anthem.
>>725976758Good taste.
>>725966756i got it on 360 i think the games with gold but it sucked i didnt even make it an hour in
>>725977328South Park has been trash for a long time now but that multiverse special where the only thing that changes about Randy and everyone else is their clothes was dead on.
>>725977207“turn your brain off” entertainment dominates every single decade. always was, always will be.
>>725976927It’s because they built their power base during the 60’s and 70’s, when being liberal or commie was actually quite a rebellious and reactionary thing to be. They never left that mindset of being the rebel.
>>725977331You've simply replaced drama for subversive rhetoric instead which is what the music industry has been using as a crutch for decades.
>>725975967>A point Krogan didn't even understand?Oh, you're one of these kind of retards.
>>725976927What is there left to glorify when there's nothing good left?
The game we got was a big anti-American wankfest by a development / production team that thought they were better than the goyim, yes.I do hear that Levine himself wanted more nuance and was told to cut all the corners, though.
The world needs more bobcut Liz
I tried replaying all Bioshocks last year and 1 and 2 were fun while I ended up dropping Infinite halfway through because I got bored.
>>725977454Which do you think tells a more technically virtuous story, Sonic the Hedgehog or Superhot?
>>725977548OG BioShock was just as subversive, tho.
>>725977237>plot is a fucking mess of ideas>but this one subversive message was conveyed perfectly, somehowGet it now?>>725977469What kind of retard, anon? Tell me.
>>725967336>finishes mowing down a hallway of people with a machine gun>"Wow, it's like I just completed a thesis on Race Relations in turn of the century America!"kek
>>725977645Flawed question as stories have no virtue in of themselves. So I would answer neither.
>>725977582Thank God for the mods
>>725977671It was more subtle, if you know nothing about Rand being a Jew or that everyone in the damn game has some kind of Jewish nameAnd if you ignore the genius holocaust survivor jewish woman who recognized science results better than her German captor did when she was a little girl
>>725977719Besides going>"Nah, he didn't understand it."
>>725977720yeah, that is a good oneback before the internet was completely filled with woke bots and normies
>>725977761It’s only subtle because it’s allegorical. Once you become aware of the intended allegory, it’s quite blatant.
>>725977236Comstock is the infertile one from complication with Tear experiments. Elizabeth's real name is Anna. Lady Comstock's real name is Annabelle Watson. It doesn't take much to put two and two together and realize that Booker named Anna after her mother, who is Booker's wife across both timelines.
Bioshock Infinite has a plot that plays out like a Chick Tract metanarratively but instead of religious fundamentalism, it's anti-American liberal rhetoric. There was no way Booker can actually redeem "himself" from all the guilt that he had indirectly inflicted everyone so he had to consent into dying. He is, figuratively, the anthropomorphication of the 'white guilt' of Americans Levine wants to display in the game.
>>725977912ken comparing rapture to israel was very funny
>le racism bad
>>725978092unless it's against white people :)
>>725977978Wasn't Booker half Native-American? Why would he be the avatar of White people.
>>725977912NTA, but the intended allegory was always "Fuck Atlas Shrugged", Levine's revisionism of claiming it was actually about being about himself is pure bullshit.
I was in college when this game came out and I remember a classmate with Asperger's came up to me once and repeated a line from the game like "are you have your coffee BLACK today?" as if it were some groundbreaking, insightful piece of writing for a video game. I die inside a little bit every time I think of that. There's something eerie about it now, that early warning sign of the psychological terrorism that would be inflicted on us for the next decade.
>>725966756>God we can't wait to all get away from the Minorities on our flying city, it's going to be so god damn great>Now whose going to help me load up the bulk crates of Minorities?Anyone that takes it seriously is a retard.
>>725977761The Jewish people in Bioshock 1 were all highly intellectual people that were always hamstrung by jealous and spiteful people. Even their utopia, Rapture, failed because it was undermined from them. Objectivism was just a veneer of Bioshock, it wasn't its actual main subject as it never addresses it in any manner beyond the Jewish rhetoric the game has.
>>725975445Shitty story aside... everything!2 weapon limit, No manual saving, no resource management of any kind, no inventory/ammo type system, regenerating shield, the dead space "arrow on the ground", no real choices or exploration. You can argue that Bioshock is already a massively watered down imsim for consoles but even then the gameplay compensated the story. Here, the gameplay is Call of Duty: Now with Superpowers! and the story is Ken Levine's fanfic (and the BaS Episodes being "NO, *MY* HEADCANON IS BETTER!!")I grew thinking BaS was goodthen I replayed it and realized it's a crock of shit>>725975470>>725975740Yeah probably, but then again, I wasn't really connected to the online gaming sphere. I didn't follow news of gaming or other stuff. Mostly word of mouth from my classmates and not many even played games back then.
>>725978154He took part in the Wounded Knee Massacre, and involvement in persecuting Native Americans is part of white guilt.
>>725977548Levine was extremely indecisive and suffered from the world's biggest ADHD syndrome during Infinite's development. He kept increasing the scale of the game constantly and kept changing or removing huge parts of both the story and gameplay content all the time. I think he even admitted in an interview that they had to scrap like "3 games worth of content" during production. There's a reason why Levine hasn't made anything since 2013. Infinite's development was the most physically and mentally exhausting experience in his entire life
>>725977978Booker could always redeem himself, the problem is Levine insisting that "Chrisitan forgiveness means you be given a blank slate over everything, so that means he has to go INSANE from ONE BAPTISM", because he knows even less about Christianity than he does Quantum Physics.
>>725978159If people thought the lesson of Atlas Shrugged was anarcho-capitalism works, I have no fucking idea what they read. The entire plot is about how people in power abuse yet need the people who are actually competent. Without them, the whole thing falls apart.
>>725978154The blatant imagery of every modern American ethnic minority being stamped out in Infinite with Comstock as the focal point above them and Booker being actually him did not tip you off? Infinite isn't subtle, like I said, it plays out like a Chick Tract.
>>725978329he took part in it because everyone made fun of him for being a halfbreed, which he is because he speaks fluent Sioux.
>>725978261>the Jews were Jewed by gentileslollmao
>>725978236The intended commentary was obviously that the white utopia was built on the slave labour of the minorities, they obviously took inspiration from American slavery for that.
>>725978414>"I'm gonna be reborn after massacring a bunch of indan people (though I'm part indian too (???????))">"Still, I'm gonna be a massive asshole, push the americana dream and somehow end up as the head of a religious sect residing on a floating city"So he hadn't changed at all
>>725977842Anon, leftards complained Infinite wasn't woke enough, which is why we got the retcon with the black revolutionary.Levine was just recycling liberal talking points. He does not seem like the kind of guy who would chant "kill the Boer!", even if you believe his beliefs would eventually lead to that.
>>725978236The Vox Populi being all colored people that worked in the trades to keep the city running didn't tip you off?
>Columbia can have automatized soldiers>but they still need to bring BIPOC to their White ethnostate
>>725978848Levine needed the allegory of white states being built and maintained by non-whites in the US.
>>725978601>>725978764I don't give a merry shit what they intended or if it's symbolic. They should've committed and had the entire city be a cracker barrel."Oh, we have technology from other realities and clockwork soldiers, ect, ect...but I really, really need Shaniqua around to shine my shoes or by god I'm going to pop a blood vessel."
>>725978485That's cause it is a outright Anarcho-Capitalism Manifesto, Rand outright calls the Government a bunch of Looters, and Galt's whole scheme is to create the largest off the grid Tax Evasion Colony.
>>725978940>>725978927
>>725978927Maybe the allegory is really fucking retaded.
>>725979068No shit but American lefites love that kind of rhetoric. The frustration that stems from them for this game is that it didn't go far enough and should've had the Vox Populi not be branded as "they're bad too" since they believe they have the moral upper-hand to destroy Columbia.
>>725969248There's no point!
>>725978727Infinite was a proto-woke game and as such, the woke crowd praised it upon release other than that one instance with the Vox being portrayed as villainous. They accepted it for a time because woke didn’t really firmly establish its grip on gaming until around 2014, but once they did, they grew bolder. You have to keep in mind that all political propagandists start by producing works they push their message in tame ways, and then they gradually push more radical ideas as they get more confident.
>>725978997A corrupt and inept government mind you, to the point where even their torture of Galt is hampered with their inability to simply repair the torture device. At the end of Atlas Shrugged, the strikers rejoin society.
>let's do Rapture again but in the sky>oh shit, we need an extreme ideology that creates what seems like an utopia at first glance but actually has severe problems that lead to its collapse>uh... American White ethnostate that practices slavery? Yeah, let's go with that.You guys are thinking about this harder than Ken himself did.
>>725979015Yes, I understand that he's an American so he needs to turn towards KFC and pray at least 5 times a day if not more because 'Muh heckin' slavery' and 'Nogs built this country ("Why don't they ever build their own the-" 'Shut uuuuuuuuuuup')'But we're talking about in character motivations here.Explain to me why the white supremacists that built the flying city to get away from the subhumanoids, in setting, then brought the subhumanoids along for the ride.
>>725979592Considering Levine actually said that Bioshock 1 is a Zionist allegory, it raises suspicions about Infinite being an allegory too.
>>725979592This entire thread is INSULTING Ken for basically leaning way too hard on being anti-American that it almost breaches into propaganda territory to instill anxiety on people who do not know better or intellectual masturbation for people who already agree.
>>725979592The thing is that Levine made an exhaustive research on American history in order to twist it further, making up shit.
>>725969248Braid got memory holed because Souljaboy destroyed it and made the creator cry in a dark room.
>>725978997lol no>>725979575Yup.
>>725972514
>>725979698Diegetically, it doesn't make sense other than the white supremacists being so caricatured that they NEED to stamp down on a minority even in their ethnostate. Because it making diegetic sense didn't matter, it was exegetically put there by the author for his ALLEGORY™.
>>725979906sexy slave brand on her back
>>725979575The key aspect is that the government is corrupt and inept because of 'big government handouts' while the strikers only rejoin society after it collapses and Galt promises them they can keep 100% of their profits with 0% government oversight. Rand was absolutely arguing in favor of going full An-Cap against American Left-Wing Policies and Taxation.
>>725979714Source? This could be him making shit up to score points with his Jewish friends, depending on context.
>>725980320You're extrapolating way too far than what Rand has stated herself for the book. YOU as in (YOU) as a person that contributes heavily to the betterment of society should not be tethered or even tolerate a government that is working against you. To not suffer tyrannies from a State at the cost of well-being. This is the sociological concept as to why a nation IRL suffers brain drain.
>>725966756>>725969928>only relevance both have today is the porn
>>725971362Dems and republicans love their spics and jeets though?
>>725980773Look, Ken's been riding this acclaim for fourteen years. He's not going to admit he misunderstood Rand's message.
>>725971362Would
>>725980773No part of that is contradicting the ancap philosophical slant though? Galt outright argues that the only core right the government should ever have is 'the right to own property'.
>>725976039Pure Elizabeth>Pure ElizabethPure Elizabeth>Pure ElizabethPure Elizabeth>Pure ElizabethPure Elizabeth>Pure Elizabeth
>>725981170you do realize this doesn't support it either, right?
>>725971362Man, imagine being the artist who was straight up paid and tasked to make as racist depictions as he could and getting to include it in his portfolio as a professsional work.Lucky bastard.
>>725981218Don't see how not, when that's the entire core basis of anarchic capitalism to begin with.
>>725981437anarchic capitalism has no government to fucking begin with
>>725981437The context DIRECTLY GIVEN in the story is the government is inept and heavilly regulates every industry even at the cost of its detriment and the only recourse for people is to leave and "shrug off the world" until the government is reformed to better suit the needs of the people that run it. Atlas Shrugged advocates more about labor strikes than it does anarcho-capitalism.
>>725981529I think that anon is confused between the various types of libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism and see them all as the same thing.
I do not care for Burial At Sea Liz.
>>725981529AnCaps have no STATE Governments, most AnCap plans still have a token court to manage property laws are still maintained (with said courts largely being corporate organizations). Which is the kind of reduced state Galt directly preaches about being so ideal.
>>725981840Probably, if he thinks somehow having a government still means you can be anarchic
>>725981914that is a fucking ridiculous idea and not at all what he meant
>>725966756>is the most gay and jewish retarded game ever
Can waifufags explain the appeal of Elizabeth?She looks cute, sure, but personality wise she’s just a generic bookworm girl who is really whiny and has no motivation beyond “I wanna go to Paris”.
>>725981921I think anon read Atlas Shrugged and somehow arrived at the conclusion that it advocates for society should be ran like Jennifer Government as if Galt wouldn't also find that a inconsolable system to live in.
>>725981907Same. She's easily the ugliest and most unlikable Liz. Huge downgrade from cute innocent genki Liz
>>725982185>She looks cute, sure, but personality wise she’s just a generic bookworm girl who is really whiny and has no motivation beyond “I wanna go to Paris”.That's all it ever really takes. Also because she was a distinctly-made female model that got ripped into porn, a foreshadowing for a similar thing that happened to Overwatch.
>>725982185Bioshock Infinite released around the time of Source Filmmaker, so there was a LOT of Elizabeth porn.
>>725982185cutegenkiinnocentnaivesexy"I can save her" bait"I can protect her" bait"I can make her happy" bait"I can make her dreams real" bait
>>725966756They managed to cobble together an OK game for the half assed parts they've got for a much better but unfinished game. After that they released the DLCs that fucked over everything that was remotely positive about the game.
>>725982203I think anon is Ken reaching.
>>725982693I wonder if Valve regrets releasing SFM for free for everyone to use? It's crazy how much porn there is. On Derpibooru alone there's 37K tagged explicit SFM pics.
>>725979882Really?
>>725984041if only these were good
>>725976483>Everything "worked" and it was stupid to disagreepretty solid analysis, telling everyone that we had basically reached "the end of history" breaks pretty easily when problems, like what happened in 2014, show up. That directly leads in 2015, which takes the zeitgeist along until covid
>>725977269Matt "Massa" Mitosis
>>725972514Booker "Daddy" Dewitt
>>725977147Levine isn't very smart.
Never played this games, how many times does Booker get her pregnant? This is super important to my score of the game.
>>725967249It was written by a Jew. What do you think?
>>725989375i didn't want to be racist
>>725972514no go back to the face caress
>>725966756cute couple
I like the commandant character that made it into some of the license products but never made it into the real game.
>>725966756THE CITIZEN KANE OF VIDEO GAMES!!!!!!!
>>725967165shame about the whole second half of the game where the guns all become dogshit alternate reality versions with higher rof and lower damage despite enemy health starting to massively outscale damage upgrades of even the base models
>>725968191>Explain to me how Elizabeth's power worksHer pinky finger is in a different dimension and by the rules of the retarded quantum physics in the game, this gives her the ability to make portals to anywhere she wants. Except she doesn't use them when she's in captivity because she's a retarded woman. Also anyone could sacrifice a finger and get god powers like her but it's the 1910s so everyone is retarded and they don't figure that part out.
>>725995146ken, you dumb fucki thought you all had 110+ IQ
>>725967152I don't understand why she needed to look like this in Burial. What the fuck was her plan? To seduce Booker?
That sure is a nice flying island-city. Sure would be a shame if someone crashed it with no survivors by following simple directions on WAIT A MINUTE, THAT CARD...
>>725996407WHAT COULD IT MEEEEEEEEEEEEAN?!
>>725978292>Now with Superpowers!Most of the vigors are just different colored grenades.
Father/daughter is so fucking hot.
>>725998346kill yourself, ken
>>725966756With the most retarded dlc ever>>725968148>No game has been as memoryholed as this oneFear 3
>>725998387Ken would be against fucking his virtual daughter, then again he's a jew so fucking his family is in his genes.
>>725998624fear 3 wasnt that big
>>725970360waifubait is secondary purpose primary is self-insert for all the girl gamers playing their 2deep4u shape sorter
>>725968148>No game has been as memoryholed as this one.No, it's gotta be some shit like Anthem or Evolve.
>>725971362>missing filthy Italiansfake racism
>>725966917>>725966756Oh fuck off. I did play it and the Americana aesthetic was peak. Yes, it is subversive, but it has a soul. Compared to modern subversive slop that never ever let's you experience aerial american hyperboria it is a good game
Played the game years ago but never finished it and found this. Did she really do this?
>>725972382The word racist was created by a bolshevik jew to surpress critics of jewish bolshevik policies
