>Economic simulator>Communism is the most efficient because it gives workers the most disposable income, which they can then spend in the economy againI'm just saying
Not communism.In communism there is no 'disposable income', every receives what they need.
>>725972526You be true to life it should be offset with millions of deaths.
>>725972526Funny how it only works in vitro.
sar, this is a video game. everything can work in a game
>>725972526>it gives workers the most disposable income, which they can then spend in the economy againJust like in the real soviet union and communist china of the 1900s. Wow!
what if your country has barely any important natural resources
>>725972629and what you "need" will be subject to will of the governing body and the governing body has found you a bit too problematic to need more than a bag of stale bread for your monthly ration
I mean, proper. 100% working like clockwork communism is exactly that - utopian machineCapitalist cucks seethign kek
>>725972752>It works without outside interference Yes
>>725972526>Communism>Disposable income
>>725973058Real communism hasn't been tried yet, we just need to turn humans into an unthinking eusocial ant colony no different from robotic drones!
>>725973058and a "utopia" is called a "utopia" because it is an idealistic fantasy
>>725973062The Berlin Wall called.
>>725972526Remember that fans of a system always buff the system in-game. It's like how trains in SimCity are the superior choice.
>>725972526if they are talking about wartime of course communism is OP, every country is communist during wartime. the US government went deep into debt and told ford to make tanks and planes instead of cars during ww2, that's effectively communism through different steps.the problem is you can't keep doing it forever like the USSR. imagine being in a permanent war economy for 40 years. no wonder they collapsed.
communism is just attempting to scale small village life to the extreme without the understanding that such a system cannot have a power structure or it will become corrupt but it inherently needs a power structure to make it work
>>725973159>>725973193That is what I said retards. And the game is exactly like that - an ideal made-up, perfect, sterile environment where it can be modeled at its core. Does not mean it will work in real conditions but the devs did it right
>>725973062>it works when it's not used in the real worldso amazing
>>725972526This is an absolutely ancient version wherein this isn't the case anymore. It's now a meme RPing ideology like the Luddite one or Nazism. You're fundamentally playing a game where you are supposed to become a globalized economy and that is always fundamentally going to push you into being a liberal democracy. It's just how the era the game is set in works>t. 1400 hours
>>725972526In Vicky 2 laissze-faire was the most efficient economy except for the fact that pops like to build unprofitable shit that can't keep anyone employed instead of spamming liqour factories like the player does
>>725972526Last time I tried Vic3 communist economies were generally worse than free market capitalism
>>725972526Does the game allow you to implement doctrinaire communism as it's theoretically meant to function or does it end up as "red fascism" like real life?
>>725973315Indeed. The irony goes deeper though.> Communism is exactly what its description says but it does not work in real life> Capitalism is literally nothing what its description promises about and it works perfectly in real life (1% can confirm that)
>>725972526Disposable income by definition is Capitalism.
>>725972629It also doesn't account for human error.Communism is theoretically good, completely in an isolated authoritarian bubble it will work, life won't be good but it'll make the state stronger.But it won't be competitive in the real world because humans are corrupt, communism breeds corruption. Unless they programmed corruption at every level, it's always going to be OP for state building.
>>725972526because its an incomplete simulation, in real life you do not have that level of centralized control as the player
>>725973505whatever communism says should happen, probably the opposite will actually happen
>>725972526>disposable incomeIf your income is disposable you are taking more than you need and it's the gulag for you bougie.
>>725972526>communism without human flaws>it worksGo figure.
>>725973315yeah little hats are an issue. Does the game let you cleanse racial groups to prevent them from ruining everything?
By the time you can actually implement communism or fascism you've spent 70-80 years building a super profitable democracy, why would you throw that out? It makes sense in the real world but in a game where the player has made Russia have a super high GDP and standard of life with capitalism it doesn't make sense. It's just meant to be LARP.
>>725973302>the devs did it rightmost Paradox games have some element of simulation to them so I would say doing it right would instead be the devs adding that chaotic human equation that allows communism to not work in the real world
>>725974051EUV does but it picks and chooses which minorities to blame, you get a variety including the Jews
>>725973832see>>725973296it is basically catch22
>>725974185Fair point. Model too correct - but there is always a patch down the road
>>725972526Is there a game where I can do AnCap Lolbertarianism with a gold standard and no central bank jew sorcery?>I would legit play this in VR just to escape clown world economics for a few hours.
>>725973159Real communism will NEVER be possible. It's basically incompatible with the human way of thinking, Its very foundations are horribly flawed.Any attempt to bring it to reality will only cause death and destruction on disgusting scales. It's nothing but a repulsive disease that destroys the mind.It should have been destroyed when we had the chance in 1945. If Oppenheimer hadn't been a pussy and helped Truman blast Moscow to bits, the world would be a better place, and there'd be far less illegal aliens.
Communism is the perfect system, at least until those selfish, piece of shit humans suddenly start complaining about needing to eat
>>725974487There is enough food for everyone, the problem is just that some people like to take and waste more than they need
>>725974398There were hundreds of points during or after ww2 where communism could've been eradicated, but obviously none of them were taken. This is because the same people in charge of the US and UK governments wanted communism to stay around, peace is bad for business and control after all. They needed a paper tiger to point at and justify why they needed to raise taxes and take away liberties. It is for this same reason that they smuggled the blueprints for the nuclear weapons to the soviet regime.
>>725974487Funny how the turntables, eh? Half of Fatmerica ready to take arms because half of them is living off the food stamps and Trumpboy is about to nullify all of them, yet nor Musk nor Bezos has no issues with that - capitalism just werks and people are fed ^)
>>725972526Man, Victoria 3 really was worthless mess wasn't it
>>725973302>Does not mean it will work in real conditions>the devs did it rightDon't you understand how these two statements conflict with one another?
>it gives workers the most disposable incomeLMFAOuseful idiots in action
>We did it! We implemented Communism!>Really? How?>Through a massively centralized state that incentivizes higher worker wages while still providing stratified wages for managers and overseers!I'm aware that Pol Pot didn't actually read Marx, but is this just a common thing for Communists?
>>725975096Are you being retarded on purpose or just puposefully retarded?
>>725973159It seemed like a great idea at the time.
>>725973159real communism would work if you only had white people, but the left refuses to hear the truth.You can't have a commune with entire races of parasites feeding off you. It's why ever single statistic every time shows white men carrying all of civilization on their shoulders.
>>725974295could easily achieve this in the flavor of aping EUIV's corruption mechanicin fact a corruption system makes even more sense for Vicky than it does EU
>>725974051race is just one tension point that causes something like communism to not workany form of greed or individualism will eventually collapse the entire system because it only works when humans behave like ants instead of behaving like humans
>>725972526>it gives workers the most disposable income, which they can then spend in the economy again but this is how american consumerism works
>>725975294>race is just one tension point that causes something like communism to not workOnly if you ignore biology and pretend "we're all the saaaaaaame" bullshit.Enjoy your pitbull-citizens anon
>>725975219Why can't you answer my question?
>>725975398Usually I would say that you didn't read my entire post but this time you didn't even read the part that you quotedI feel it's pointless to explain again since you are illiterate but perhaps you will get chatgpt to summarize this post for you so let me try again: even if you attempt communism after in a world without non-whites it would still fail because there is a lot more that causes communism to breakdown other than race.
>>725972526Victoria 3 flopping and slowly dying will never stop bringing me joy.
>>725972526Modeling a fully realistic economy is actually really, really hard. I think history has firmly established that free markets are useful tools that are an important part of any functioning society.That said, history (particularly the last several decades) has also established that free markets are not perfect tools and can have issues. Regarding redistribution, very few people will actually advocate for a gini coefficient of 0... but judging by the ridiculous growth of the top few percent while every other class has stagnated (and in some ways regressed), a touch more redistribution might not be so bad right now.
>>725975668And I'll do you one better. No it wouldn't because that's bullshit spouted to increase the number of brown people
Communism works, goyim. Now get back to fighting on the frontlines for israel, while I moderate reddit for the same exact wage
>>725973159real capitalism hasnt been tried yet. but yall aint ready for dat discussion yet
>>725972526The missing element is the money supply and monetarism. There isn't actual money in this game, just a freely translating universal value. Just like in DF, central command and control works best only without money.
>>725975979>That said, history (particularly the last several decades) has also established that free markets are not perfect tools and can have issues. Regarding redistribution, very few people will actually advocate for a gini coefficient of 0... but judging by the ridiculous growth of the top few percent while every other class has stagnated (and in some ways regressed), a touch more redistribution might not be so bad right now.Wage growth in the lowest and 2nd lowest class grew faster than high income earners the last 3 years. If anyone has the right to complain about stagnant wages it's MBA middle managers who didn't see the explosive growth like McDonald's workers getting upwards of $16 an hour now are seeing.
communism 'works' but its hell on earth. i know the average /v/irgin retard has never been to the DMV because theyre a shut-in manchild, but the reason why the DMV is so shit is because it is government run and there is no capital driven competition. now imagine that for everything. supermarkets, universities, technology, EVERYTHING. if you dont mind everything being slow, gray, and nauseatingly mediocre, communism is great i suppose
the reason it works in victoria 3 is the player is a benevolent god-spirit zeitgeist of the nation whereas in real life communism always arises post-revolution in dictatorial shitholes (not because communism necessarily inherently requires dictatorship, but rather because shitholes that then go through violent civil wars unsurprisingly remain shitholes).the victoria 3 "communism" is actually liberal market socialism arrived at (usually) through a process of careful and gradual social reform and yes, if this happened in real life it would probably in fact result in a based society.just like how absolute fascist totalitarianism is also a much more viable strategy in videogames than it is real life because they are alt-history videogames where the player is god.
>>725976484In my state the DMV is run by volunteer organizations and they are really bad at it because they're designed to be like, animal or veteran's advocacy groups and not running a DMV office.
>>725973159What if we use robot drones made in Man's image and blessed with sentience for the working-class proletariat?While us humans will still also work in glorious social collaberation, of course. On our gaming backlogs and full-dive VR coom matrixes.>>725975398Make lemons out of lemonade. Segregate the pitbull-citizens into their own quarantined pits and recruit the fittest specimens as disposable shock troops. Like one big giant dwarf fortress danger room to create super soldiers.
>>725976703i live in canada. imagine the DMV but its also applied to your ((((free)))) healthcare
>>725976439Gotta zoom out anon, , all that's really saying is "there was insane inflation recently"
also in victoria 3 communism is an economic system only - communism in vicky 3 is actually just a law that mandates every company must be structured as a worker co-op, i.e. profits are paid out to the workers instead of the owners (or, rather, workers ARE the owners). the communism of vicky 3 does not imply a system of government and you can be a liberal communist country or a fascist ethnostate communist country or whatever.real life is actually exactly the same, btw. we could pass a law tomorrow mandating that all companies must issue 1 share to each worker and only to workers and annul all other shares. doing that doesn't mean we have to change how elections are run. bam - communist democracy.
>>725974051All major attempts at Communism have consistently been lead by Jewish-controlled governments, often to the detriment of local Christians who are slaughtered en masse.
>>725976771slow healthcare > no healthcare
>>725972526>have had real world examples of communism and communism lite in our lifetime>all have absolutely wrecked the countries that implemented them from the inside out
>>725977075slow healthcare > no healthcare >>>>>>>>>>> illusion of healthcare where you die in the ER
Victoria 3 doesn't include a Jewry mechanic.
>>725973036KEK
>>725977075want to have healthcare? get a job then dumbassdoctors in european countries make less than guys driving trucks for ups whiel getting taxed 15-20% moretheres your "free" healthcare genius
>>725974817The point of capitalism is not 'feed the democrats' horde of useless black voters on the Section 8 vote farm.'
>>725977497you cant compare europe to the US. the US has a population of over 300M, and federal laws that attempt to reach into every state. there's also a nigger problem, and on top of all of this, the US is paying europe's defence bill
>>725975221Nymphs are really cute, though.
>>725977282>illusion of healthcare where you die in the ERand how many times has this happened in canada in the last 10 years, versus how many people have gone through a canadian ER?i work in public healthcare in my country (australia) so i am the last person to tell you that it's perfect or even very good. but there is no alternative. private systems do not meet the national interest - at best they can take some load off the public system by letting people with money spend stupid amounts to have faster care in more comfortable surroundings. but i see plenty of people with good private healthcare ending up in public hospitals because they have diseases that aren't profitable to treat. public hospitals are bigger and better equipped than private hospitals because we don't get to choose our patients - if you are seriously ill, you will end up in a public hospital no matter how good your healthcare is because private hospitals are only interested in your dollars, not your life.my question is: what makes you think it's possible to have good public services? what makes you think that their shittiness and inefficiency isn't just baked into the nature of public service? why do you expect public healthcare to be good in the first place? public services employ mediocre people in low pressure jobs and are mostly concerned with keeping on with keeping on. of course they're going to be mediocre organisations. that's just how things are. but there is no alternative. it's how things have to be.
>>725974817>Half of Fatmerica ready to take arms because half of them is living off the food stampsNothing ever happens.
>>725977497society has rightly and will continue to reject your myopic cruelty, if only out of people's own individual self-interest. therefore i have no need to engage with it lol
>>725972526Communism only works in practice, not on paper. Communist philosophy and economics are garbage, but all the greatest political upheavals and victories over Western imperialism required communists working together to kill their masters.
>>725977023Given the ideology was made by a Jew what's the issue?
>>725977602for the record i cant read your mind, so i have no idea what points you are trying to make by bringing any of those things up>>725977901agreed sister, those that voted drumpf are on the WRONG sdie of history. everything can and will be free. walkable cities and 200 square foot affordable homes for EVERYONE just like the civilized europeans. now if you will excuse me i need to do dilate
>>725972526>communism is so shit it only works in a video gameYou really aren't putting that degree in african studies to good use friend.
>>725972526>Communism works when you have an omniscient literal god who sees things in long timescales
This entire thread is bait. And people still keep falling for it.
>>725978053>agreed sister, those that voted drumpf are on the WRONG sdie of history. everything can and will be free. walkable cities and 200 square foot affordable homes for EVERYONE just like the civilized europeans. now if you will excuse me i need to do dilatean amusing attempt to cope with your own powerlessness. nobody is impressed by you being edgy on the internet, or persuaded by your argument that innocent children should be left to die for the crime of being born to poor parents.i look forward to your next scintillating rebuttal
>>725977692>and how many times has this happened in canada in the last 10 yearspic related>versus how many people have gone through a canadian ER?ok the ratio is 'decent,' and i accept that the kike media loves to sell fear for profit, but i just dont like it happening at all. my gripe is mostly with dumbass boomer canadians who are so STUPID, they took trump's "51st state rhetoric" at face value, and voted liberal for a third term in a row. >but there is no alternative.i agree>if you are seriously ill, you will end up in a public hospital no matter how good your healthcare is because private hospitals are only interested in your dollars, not your life.true>what makes you think it's possible to have good public services?i dont, at least not any more. developed countries are declining in both culture and population. >why do you expect public healthcare to be good in the first place?i dont expect it to be good. i was just stating that canadian healthcare isn't the perfect utopia some people make it out to be>public services employ mediocre people in low pressure jobs and are mostly concerned with keeping on with keeping on.yes. and with communism, thats everywhere. that was my main point. everything is dull and gray and gross. maybe with a capitalistic system you have trannies and ESG, but at least you arent held at gunpoint to suffer through it like the DDR was or how north korea is
>>725972526>Economic simulator>not actually people at all
>>725975435cultists don't like blasphemy, anon
>>725977692>i work in public healthcare in my country (australia) so i am the last person to tell you that it's perfect or even very good. butNot going to waste my time reading the rest. I could already tell you didn't live in Canada based off your previous posts. Imagine your doctor telling you you won't be getting an important scan or treatment because the hospital doesn't have the equipment for it, and this is after you paid a substantial portion of your wage in taxes to support this garbage. That's the state of healthcare in this shithole. Keep defending a broken system of a country you don't live in to own the chuds, I'm sure the thousands of people who died because of it appreciate it
>>725977320Mods will fix it.
>>725972526Implementing company pay distribution regulations would have the same effect.
>>725978405>and this is after you paid a substantial portion of your wage in taxes to support this garbage.
>>725978202you have a much more reasonable view than i assumed, so fair enough, and i take your point. my point is just that public services are always going to be shit, and yet some services have to be public because that's the only way that people can get what they need or that the national interest can be met. the point is that we have to accept inefficiency in the public service - chasing private sector levels of efficiency requires private sector methods, which destroys the point of having the public service in the first place.when i buy a couch for my living room i don't buy it with the intent of making money on it. i buy it to have a couch to sit on. public services are the same. the point of having them is to have them, not to make profits or be innovative or whatever private sector bullshit. but i digress.>yes. and with communism, thats everywhere. that was my main point. everything is dull and gray and grosson this note i remember reading an account of a defector who said pretty much that, that the West was so much more colourful than the USSR because of all the advertising. in the USSR there was no advertising so public spaces that weren't parks or whatever were just unadorned. in the west there's always bright colourful advertising everywhere. which is kind of neat, as well as being kind of gross. anyway, you're literally correct that in communism everything was literally dull and grey.
I don't care how "fucked up" you all's public healthcare is. The american system is a literal racket full of collusion, artificial scarcity, and all other kinds of shit and that's before you get to the actual care part which is doping you up as much as possible while they think of shit to test and charge you for that never fixes the actual problem. Even having money doesn't make it all that great. Any other first world alternative is better
>>725973296yeahit just doesn't work on a macro scaleonce everybody stops being able to know everybody else personally you start to run into problems
>>725978431kek
>>725978710>Your money also gets wasted on other things, so you're not allowed to complain
>>725978405>Not going to waste my time reading the resti'll return the favour
>>725972526That would cause inflation through currency devaluation caused by money printing and loans. Games with an economy should have an inflation mechanic and I'm not talking Dig Dug.
>>725977075>no healthcarethere is healthcare, you just have to pay for it directly instead of giving up half your income for the government to do the work for you. stop being lazy.
>>725978880well i was originally just gonna say "oy vey goy you need to give your money to israel/ukraine," but i posted data illustrating the point instead
>>725978898Never intended you to, it'd be pointless
>>725972752tpbp
>>725972526Ok, what resources is that income spent on and who gathers and refines those resources?Money isn't the economy, despite what the jews would have you believe. It's the resources.
>>725978820>Any other first world alternative is betteramerica doesnt need an alternative, america needs a solution. a final one, at that.
>>725977023It's almost like communism is a jewish ideology meant to destabilize opposing empires.Little fun fact, before the bolshevik revolution, the Romanovs invested their gold heavily into the federal reserve, amounting to 90% of its capital, in return for permanent dividends that would massively boost the Russian economy in the long run. Shortly after the bolshevik revolution happened and the Romanov family was murdered. The soviet regime that followed denied all claims to Russian debt which included the dividends for the Romanov gold, meaning the rothschild owned federal reserve got to keep all of the gold for free.Another little fun fact, when the soviet regime fell, the archive that held the copy of this deal burned down. What a coincidence.The first communist nation was created to abolish a debt. Tells you everything you need to know.
>>725978108communism doesn't exist in the real world. name one country that doesn't have rich people
>>725972526>vpol needs to bring out 2022 obsolete articlesSad!
>>725979146the country of africa
>>725978980>there is healthcarethis is what americans actually believe lmao
>>725972526>ants with human models do well under communismShocker
>>725978182you should go outside and get that dilation wound some sunlight. poor families receive free healthcare in the united states. asylum seekers even get free healthcare. you read reddit too much
>>725972687I mean that’s not the fault of communism as a political theory, that’s the fault of the individuals running those nations and their respective killing sprees. Kind of like Trump’s tariffs fucking us all aren’t the fault of capitalism, they’re the fault of one man not understanding tariffs with too much power.Take the corruption and personal greed out of shit and every political ideology will run better.
>>725979231yes, america is famous for its easy and equitable access to healthcare. renowned amongst the nations, even
>>725972526>published 2 December 2022
china is uplifting millions out of poverty and is a global super power. thank you socialistic state backed market interventionism
>>725972526>we just implemented the mechanics the way we understood themwhat mechanics, the games a building queue simulator. At launch in 2022 every economic system was a command economy
>>725979359yeah you should read something that isnt reddit for once. in fact, you could even try googling some of the programs that are available to low income families. retard. some of them are federal programs, some of them are state.you were never a bright person to begin with but the reddit is doing your tiny little tranny brain in
>>725979463>in a country of 1 billion people, 20 million people live welllol
>>725979496i don't bother googling deliberately sabotaged programs with 30 page application forms. instead i just look at the data on how many people need healthcare versus how many people get it. i measure outcomes, not ideas, because i am suspicious that people who try to hide the facts and figures by vaguely gesturing to "muh programs" are trying to hide something from me.american healthcare access outcomes are very, very bad. if you have programs, they don't work. simple as.
>>725976284capitalism isnt any sort of system, retard.its the base act of buying and selling independently.communists just pretend its some sort of formal ideology to push off all of the problems inherent to capitalistic systems but MORE so in communistic ones onto the former.
>>725972526>disposable incomeIn Soviet Russia, income disposes you.
centrist chads always win
>>725979521world bank 88% poverty rate in 1980 to <1% today. also outperforms US in many domains
>>725979463China is perfect. If anybody says different they go to re-education camps.
>>725979615congrats on failing from the beginning by not factoring in per captia, obesity, other unhealthy habits, etc between countries retard.you didn't even look at the numbers correctlyand thats just for america.for other nations you need to factor in wait times, how often people who have free healthcare IGNORE the free shit to go for private because they don't want to wait months for a broken boon or a child with swollen eardrums, etc.
>>725979790>also outperforms US in many domainsLike youth unemployment rate, which was 25% until CCP censored the numbers.
>>725979615ok can you link whatever it is you are talking about? you dont measure anything except the rotting wound between your legs. and you willingly withhold information from yourself because it doesnt agree with your worldview. very epic !ive used the free healthcare in my state before. its a joke how much of a luxury it is. people run these systems into the ground here.
>>725979845>>congrats on failing from the beginning by not factoring in per captia, obesity, other unhealthy habits, etc between countries retard.yeah the people who spend their literal entire careers studying health outcomes between countries never thought to do this, my god anon you're a genius! you should call them up right now and tell them how wrong they are
>>725979932>ok can you link whatever it is you are talking about?why? you going to read it?
>>725977456
>>725980008>yeah the people who spend their literal entire careers studying health outcomes between countries never thought to do thisCorrect, retard.that or they get PAID to do otherwise.how fucking young are you?anyone who looks into studies for longer than a year or is otherwise academically involved for a few years figures this out, stupid.Go get educated if you are too stupid to figure it out yourself.
>>725979780>When you became so powerful you simultaneously agree and disagree with every single position ever even if it's contradictory to do so, yet everyone who's not you is wrong regardless
>>725972526Capitalist workers = highest paid workers in human historyCommunist workers = lowest paid workers since the end of feudalism
tankies and libertarians are both economic lolcowsAll we actually need is mostly-free markets, good social safety nets, good public infrastructure, and strong limits on the ability of billionaires and lobbyists to unduly influence democratic systems.
>>725980087there's a certain amount of homosexuality in your responses im willing to tolerate to prove my point. playing games with referencing information you think is correct and refusing to show them is beyond that tolerance. in other words, i believe this would be a fair point in the conversation to rape you for being annoying
>>725980428yeah, the magical balancing act.the only way to make such a thing even possible is to have a strong culture instilled into everyone at every economic level, unfortunatelyand getting there in the first place is really hard and takes decades at least.
>>725973757It can't handle unforeseen factors in the market because central planners lack the vital information needed to make efficient decisions about production which results in a surplus of goods not needed and a scarcity of goods in high demand because they set production quotas without knowing the real-time need of consumers..
>>725980151>Correct, retard.>that or they get PAID to do otherwise.i don't believe you.>>725980461>there's a certain amount of homosexuality in your responses im willing to tolerate to prove my point. playing games with referencing information you think is correct and refusing to show them is beyond that toleranceat this point i could make a snide remark on how it's interesting that you seem to believe you have a point to make before even seeing the evidence, but i won't.instead, here's the latest report from the commonwealth fund. i haven't read it but i've read the reports from other years in some detail.https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2024/sep/mirror-mirror-2024
Did they also comment on the Confederacy taking away 3/4ths of the US when the civil war triggered and their only way to "fix" it was to hard code what states joined which side?
>>725977075*shuts down the gov and starves millions of people to prove people need free healthcare*
>>725980461>>725980751ref page 7 onwards of the full report for info specifically relevant to this conversation btw
>>725980751>>725980841oh wow... a privately funded thinktank... debunked by reddit? thank you for playing!
>>725980839>niggers>people
>>725980905there's a certain amount of homosexuality in your responses im willing to tolerate to prove my point etc. etc.
>>725972526>communism works when capitalism
any economic system would be fine if the people charge were both highly ethical and highly competent, but most people who seek national power are either evil or a puppet of evil. and if there were somehow a well-intended, sincere and effective leader in charge they'd just get disappeared in an 'accident' and replaced with an evil asshole, so it doesn't matter.
>>725973757Damn I'm glad we live in a Capitalist wolrd with no corruption.
>>725981246based illiteracymaxxerFUCK reading comprehension
>>725979231>poor families receive free healthcare in the united states.Ehh kinda. There's a patchwork of medicaid, medicare, and ACA plans, and hospitals have to treat injuries at the ER. But for a lot of Americans they either don't have coverage, or they have it but it's really expensive. America acatually spends the most on healthcare per capita but has a life expectancy 3-4 years lower than the OECD average, which I think can ultimately be blamed on 2 core inefficiencies:1) Americans don't get as much preventative care (e.g. checkups and treatments for small issues) due to cost. This results in larger, more expensive health problems down the line (treatments at the ER being particularly expensive).2) Insurance companies are an unnecessary middleman taking a fat cut.>>725979845>for other nations you need to factor in wait timeslook at this nigga who's exclusively compared american healthcare to canadian healthcare and doesn't know the US also has shit-tier wait times
>>725972526marxism is good in theory but you cannot apply that theory to humans because we are inherently corrupt and anyone with power will want more power and more money
>>725972935Ummm excuse those were not real communism, it's actually never been properly tried as it's designed :)
>>725981246>humans tend towards personal gain over the success of the many in practically every system>well what if to stop that we centralized and gave a fuckton of power to a select few people
>>725981558You forgot americans are fat. Being a fatfuck cuts your life expectancy.
>>725972526gommunism will never workcentral planning can never work. the moment some lazy slob stops pulling his weight it all comes crashing down
>>725980951>Gun violence and drug overdoses, for example, take a huge toll in morbidity and mortality, especially among young males. For centuries, racial discrimination has greatly harmed the economic prospects and health of people in the U.S., including Indigenous communities and Black Americans. Moreover, the general lack of an adequate social safety net to mitigate the threats of hunger, homelessness, and poverty also takes a huge toll on the health of Americans.you dont actually take this shit seriously do you? the "we love european policies and study of european medicine and policy" has found that america could do a lot more to be like europe on the european metric scale to have better results in the annual "european metric" report we objectively developed>>725981558no? retard? its almost entirely due to drug overdoses, suicides, black violence, and vehicle fatalities. read above. even extremely bias studies bring this up. the number of overdose deaths was something insane like 100k in the year 2019. its only going down a little bit now. you are legitimately very stupid
>>725982010>you dont actually take this shit seriously do you?however unserious it is, i take it more seriously than i do you.
>>725982240YOU JUST called me fucking SIR. its M'AM. IT'S M'AM. CALL ME SIR ONE MORE TIME AND LETS TAKE IT OUTSIDE MOTHER FUCKER. i need your tripcode. i need your trip code i am calling janny
>>725980751>i don't believe you.holy shit you actually don't know how research works or it gets funded.we are dealing with someone who never got into research people.possibly a stupid college kid.Your study group gets its funding from people only as long as you produce results they like.if they don't like it, a big chunk of your funding disappears, and mysteriously goes to people that produce the research results they want to see.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11241952its easy enough to simply quick-search and find studies indicated this shit is a thing, child.thats just to prove the mere EXISTENCE of something your sheltered, retarded ass denies is even possible.>>725981558no, I was comparing it to british healthcare, loser.EVERYWHERE that has free healthcare inevitably gets filled up and runs into wait times, and every time the private sector is faster, even with ITS wait times.>>725981814exactly. among other issues we have here.
>>725982240you clearly don't take it seriously because you don't bother to look beyond things that support your pre-existing view.the moment you got smacked with something contrary to it you cried>i dont believe you!!!and refused to even TRY to look into it.
>>725982554>>725982634your argument is that this data is wrong because of your vague assertion that maybe there is a conspiracy based on your source of "dude just trust me bro."no, i don't trust you.if this data is wrong, prove it.otherwise, lmao
>>725972526How can workers have disposable income in an economy that doesn't use money?
>>725972526>Communism is the most efficient because it gives workers the most disposable income,This is why Capitalism is so much better. Instead of anyone having disposable income, we can send all of our money to Israel
>>725982732>the basic existence of corruption in studies is now a conspiracy theoryholy shit how retarded ARE you?let me guess the idea of catholic priests diddling kids was ALSO a "conspiracy theory" right?
The Soviet that I vented tetris literally received no compensation for his product, the state got it all. He only started making money off of it when he moved to the west.
>>725972526The player being a borderline omniscient godking is always going to make command economies the best, over any AI controlled economic system. Everyone that plays Vicky2 always flips to communism or fascism ASAP for the same reason.
>>725982732bro there is a study with proof linked in the post.all you have done is prove you are a retarded nigger who cannot be trusted.good job!
>>725982876correct. you are alleging that this data is false and not representative of reality because of corrupt dealings and deliberate lies by the people responsible for publishing it.i don't believe you.prove it.
>>725973159>>725975250>communism werks goyYou amerifats are fucking retards.
>>725982950>retarded child is so caught up in his tantrum he cannot read englishthe study is on how there is fraud, stupid.I am "alleging" that the data is TRUE.You are too stupid to listen to.
>>725982946that study proves nothing about the report that i posted so i'm not even sure why you posted it, other than to make your vague assertion of a generalised conspiracy seem more credible as a way to dismiss devastating evidence that you cannot refute.
>>725979463both the chinese and americans will deny this but china is state capitalism
>>725983065the data i was referring to was the report that i posted. i'm sorry that you failed to understand that.
>>725983084>>725983171I am sorry but you have proven to be too retarded to listen to.If you would like for your post to be read, try educating yourself instead of being a religious freak.
>>725976484The capitalist version of the DMV is calling customer service and either getting an AI chatbot or a lady from the Philippines after having to hold for 2 hours. I'll take the DMV over that.
>"communism doesn't work">*sends 40 billion dollars to argentina*
>>725983189it was inevitable that we would end up here and yet i am still, as always, stunned.truly americans receive the government that they deserve.
>>725983260I am sorry but you have proven to be too retarded to listen to.If you would like for your post to be read, try educating yourself instead of being a religious freak.
>>725982901That implies the player knows what he's doing. That's why communism doesn't work IRL - you can't physically micromanage every factory and you're probably going to make retarded decisions anyway
>>725979463>china is uplifting millions out of povertyIt's not. This is repeated often but they are misstating the actual facts. What China did was lift millions out of severe poverty (less than $2.50 per day) into just regular poverty (less than $5 per day). Capitalism lifted millions out of severe poverty but China hasn't solved their massive poverty issue.
>>725983196Argentina's economy is fucked from generations of socialist leaders.
It amazes me how the most retarded of people will treat scientists as infallible godlike beings and the studies as religious holy texts unless you get a DIFFERENT "god" to say otherwise.And if you try to get them to actually look into anything they scream about blasphemy and call you a heretic for DARING to be scientific about things.like this retard >>725983260
>>725972526Is Vicky 3 communism like 2 where it only allows you to build shit?
>>725983339the reason Communism doesn't work isn't because of thatit's rather that it's impossible to implement communism without heavy authoritarianism (as evidenced by literally every single communist country having to force their population to go communist at the point of a gun) and said authoritarianism enable corruption and nepotismthe reason in videogames it can kinda work is because there's no reason for the player to be self serving and corrupt since their entire goal is to empower their country
>>725972526yes, when an omniscient god controls the entire command economy and government apparatus, communism works. I'll concede that point.
>>725983868This is why we need to hand control over to a single central godlike AI system
>>725978152AI will make communism viablejust one more try
>>725983926>AIit's going to be created by the jewish or chinese
>>725972526I played this game and went capitalist. It takes a lot of resources but if you invest in the child sex trafficking rings and send all of your money to israel it's super fucking OP.
>>725983926Yeah.... so.... who is going to make that AI and can you trust them?
>>725982823Israel deserves our tax money more than any broke Nog on the street. Call me a goy or whatever but it's true.
>>725983861>enable corruption and nepotismClose. I generally agree, but its not that they enable it, they require it. Because to enable a authoritarian takeover, you need a strong core with support from the army, and if you can't keep those people happy, you will be disposed off just as the previous government did. So now your goal is not to implement communism or whatever, but to keep whoever got you into power satisfied with their new status.
>>725981814It's one factor, but not enough to hand-wave away the problems with US healthcare.>>725982010Yes, there are multiple factors that contribute to mortality rates. Low healthcare access is one of several issues. The biggest condemnation of the US system here is that the US is paying WAY MORE but receiving healthcare that is not, in fact, any better. Life expectancy is an off-the-cuff metric but does have confounding variables. More direct studies of quality of care aren't favorable for the US system.https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/>Despite spending nearly twice as much per capita on healthcare compared to similarly large and wealthy nations, the United States has a lower life expectancy than peer nations and the gap has grown for some measures since the COVID-19 pandemic. >Generally, the U.S. performs worse in long-term health outcomes measures (such as life expectancy), certain treatment outcomes (such as maternal mortality and congestive heart failure hospital admissions), some patient safety measures (such as obstetric trauma with instrument), and health system capacity (such as rate of general practitioners). The U.S. performs similarly to or better than peer nations in other measures of treatment outcomes (such as mortality rates within 30 days of acute hospital treatment) and some patient safety measures (such as post-operative complications). https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2023/jan/us-health-care-global-perspective-2022https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK568874/You like to talk a big game but aren't posting any receipts. Feel free to post some studies that actually SUPPORT your arguments about healthcare, instead of deflecting, waffling, and shitting your pants.
>>7259844050 might be more than a negative number but its still zero
>>725979218are you actually retarded?
>>725974812Before destroying themselves the Soviets planted a seed of destruction.
Communism generally tends towards being good in this kind of strategy game because planned economies allow the player more granular control of the country and as skill levels rise a player's direct manipulation will surpass the AIs
>>725974812Yeah, just exterminate the whole of the Asian continent right?Oh and some parts European continent.Oh I guess they could have left parts of India.
>>725984731And also because in these kinds of games people TRULY ARE JUST A NUMBER, that is why it seems to work. Grand strategy games are less about controlling a country and more about controlling a hive drones.
>>725972526>communism is op when we changed it to not being communism
>>725972526>System that only works in theory with NPC retards giving up their autonomy works in a game where all your citizens are NPCs.Wow, stunning.
>>725972526The more power you give to a small group of people, the worse will be the outcome.Simple as.In a video game, calibrated to be fun to allow a single person to win, communism will indeed be overpower.But reality is not calibrated to allow a single person to win.
>>725984731If anything it does not make sense that communism would be good in these type of games. I would put my money into hypercapitalism. Growth at all cost. The more of a hellhole you create the better it should work in vidya. Like the guy who made magnasanti, the massive 6 mil pop city in sim city, brutally efficient, but everyone was living in tiny blocks and their life would be absolute misery in real life.
>>725978431Is that a real event in EU5? After that cuck devs comments, I can't even be sure whether this is satire.
>>725972526idk but in Victoria 2 Liberals are pure fucking cancer
>>725984564>>Despite spending nearly twice as much per capita on healthcare compared to similarly large and wealthy nations, the United States has a lower life expectancy than peer nations and the gap has grown for some measures since the COVID-19 pandemic. oh wow so the same thing i already mentioend>Generally, the U.S. performs worse in long-term health outcomes measures (such as life expectancy)oh wow so the same thing i already mentioned>Generally, the U.S. performs worse in long-term health outcomes measures (such as life expectancy), certain treatment outcomes (such as maternal mortality and congestive heart failure hospital admissions)oh wow some highly cherry picked data on some things related to the same thing i already mentionedMAKE *CLAP* HEALTHCARE *CLAP* FREE [*][*] (Some restrictions and taxes may apply. Some salaries under FREE HEALTHCARE conditions may be limited to but not exceeding 70 thousand dollars USD, including after 12 years of grueling medical school. This warning does not pertain to politicians or their friends who will be wealthy and who literally all use private healthcare. Consult a financial advisor if you are a gay retard and think FREE HEALTHCARE may be for you)
>>725984731All strategy games are either pro-communism or pro-fascism. In games with more abstracted economies and gamey economies it encourages direct control over everything, while in games with less abstracted economies it encourages letting it do its own thing (while ultimately still being totally subject to the player).
>>725983926They were basically going to do that in Chile>>725983861Communism, or more accurately Marxist-Leninism, failed because there is no incentive to actually improve production instead of just meeting quotas, and because real economies are extremely complex and difficult to run though central planning. Most Warsaw pact countries invested way too much in heavy industry, for example, and the USSR had a longstanding issue of overproducing capital goods. In any case, they never succeeded in implementing a socialist economy, since the workers did not own the means of production. .>>725983861Communism is the abolition of private property. A command economy is not necessary to accomplish this.
That's cool bro I have a gf in a video game too so that's also real haha
>>725984948Capitalism depends on free individuals
>>725973159Meaningless thought-terminating cliche. Communism failed because of the difficulty in coordinating an economy, the price signal problems, and the “vanguard parties” preventing necessary reform. Also in an handful of cases it was because they took out absurd loans from the IMF. Anyone who makes some vague allusion to human nature is a propagandized retard who should kill himself.
There is a fundamental truth to humanity. No matter how well the system is set up, no matter how many benefits for the whole and for the individual there are. As long as there are positions of power, someone, somehow, will obtain it through unscrupulous means, and then use it for an unscrupulous purpose.it doesn't matter how many defenses, limitations, thoughtful guidelines you create and put in place. Someone will always find a way to ruin it for their own benefit to the complete detriment of everyone else.The reason communism can't work in real is due to this. The reason capitalism has reached the state we are in now is due to this. The reason any system will eventually be tainted before it can reach it's true potential. Humanity is simply flawed in this way.Not to say everything is hopeless, people can still manage an individual happiness, but fundamentally no amount of wishful thinking will ever overcome this truthAnyone who denies this is both woefully naive and has never read their history.
I suppose it depends on the leadership... CPU-controlled Hive seems to do all right in pretty much every game
>>725972687Well, millions of deaths would enrich the survivors since it increases the worth of labor.
>>725985448>Communism failed because of the difficulty in coordinating an economy, the price signal problemsAnd we call these things human nature you shit sucking retard
>communism>disposable incomelol
Adam Smith was correct about landlords
>>725978820The solution in the minds of idiots is to take the system as-is, and simply make everyone pay for it with tax money, which is utterly retarded.
>>725973757Retard>>725980686Correct
>>725979780>the society actually existed, though>/pol/ is 100% right about women and browns>being at the bottom of a good system is better than at the bottom of a bad system>what wars?
>>725985545That’s not human nature you fucking mongoloid, that’s due to the complexity of inputs in producing almost any product. As for the price signal problems, that’s due to money’s utility as a measure of value. Neither of those things are related to some inherent psychological quality of humanity. “Communism would succeed if humans weren’t selfish” is a retarded argument because both these problems would exist even if every person was Christ like. It’s just something lolbert retards like to quote so they can make some sort of “objectivist” argument justifying total moral depravity.
>>725981558You don't know shit about US healthcaret.medicaid recipient
>>725981587Marxism is not good in theory. We have a much better theory of economics that includes subjective value, supply and demand, profit incentives, etc, that allocate resources a million times better than Marxist theory ever could.
Communism is obviously peak society where we work together for everyones benefit and not just our own. No it has never been tried.
>>725985461This. There is no alternative system that gives the majority of the population an advantage. You are either willing to toss aside your morality for money/power, or you are not. Even if you are a corrupt asshole, you still need a shit ton of luck to amass power. That is why you hate your boss, because he had to set aside his morality to get to where he is now.
>>725979790>authoritarian government says poverty rate is now only if you make less than 50$ a month>poverty solved and and now you can show stats how everyone is actually wealthywhat an economic marvel
>>725978820It's literally government intervention causing the problemWe need a free market
>>725979463China only lifted people out of poverty when they abandoned central planning and liberalized under deng
>>725985461This is very true, sadly ambition goes hand in hand with terrible characteristics like narcissism, so the people who fight over power are always the worst people in society.
americans are so cucked by jewish pedophiles that they cannot imagine a government that isn't corrupt and evil
>>725985678>thinking he meant the "landlords" as they are known today and not feudal landlordsTankie subhumans don't know what homonyms are lmao
>>725986148Is it immoral to screw over other people if you don't identify with them? Suppose a group of such people, they can be Jews. Brahmin, or just rich white people, think that everyone else is livestock who only exist to be slaughtered for the benefit of "real" people. Is it immoral to act on this belief that most of us are basically on the level of chickens, pigs and cows?
>>725978820The harsh reality no one is ready to contend with is that healthcare is causing humans to evolve into an unhealthy species that relies on healthcare. If we acted rationally, we would all agree to abolish healthcare entirely.
>>725986249I really hope you're very young. It's ok to be a libertarian while you are young and naive, but if you're older than like 25 you really should know better.
>>725986561Every single form of control over people ends with corruption you dumb fuck. Literally every single one. It can take different forms, the process can take generations or happen within years. But it happens every single time to every single nation.
This is like saying every RTS game is fascist.
>>725986249>>725986678Libertarians can't even prevent people in their ideal society from feeding bears.
>>725985987>that’s due to the complexity of inputs in producing almost any productYes, human nature. >saintlikeIrrelevant, human nature is more than just being greedy you cock smoking dipshit.
>>725984564I am sorry but you have proven to be too retarded to listen to.If you would like for your post to be read, try educating yourself instead of being a religious freak.
>>725973757based fetal alchol syndrome anon endorsing benevolent dictatorship system that prevents any corruption by the one guy just being nice :)
some white collar “knowledge worker” types thinking they figured it all out through their perfectionist models is pretty common communism trope though
>>725986678>no argumentWhy don't you grow up and actually read the argument?>>725986734>bearsRefuted!Watch praxbens video on this dumb strawman
>>725986678>>725986734Unironic reddit-tier posts.
>>725986867>Yes, human nature.That's the nature of economics, not the nature of humans. Even if you substituted humans with some hypothetically perfect species, communism would still fail.
>>725987030As you get older you'll realize a lot of things just aren't worth arguing about.
>>725983926you're putting a lot of trust into it not going haywire, human side or not. I still think the Illuminati ending is the lesser of three evils.
>>725987201A free market would unironically fix healthcare and would bankrupt health insurance companies
>>725987274In a completely free healthcare market there would be no one treating any disease/condition that wasn't a way to milk people of their money. You'd have cancer doctors and brain surgeons but no one that can fix a broken bone
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>>725987201nigga ur on 4chan engaging with people that barely care. grow up and get off
>>725987201>As you get older you'll realize a lot of things just aren't worth arguing about.Please listen to this anon. Stress can legit kill your health as you get older and it's biting me in the ass now. it fucking sucks
All governments are doomed to corruption and failure, so before it all collapses we let a few of our most soulless psychopaths become billionaires and rape children. A better world isn't possible, so this is the best we can do.
>>725987397Even if you substituted humans with a species that had no needs and felt no greed, communism still fails.
>>725987383Why did that never happen in the past when we had a free market in healthcare?
Why can't we get coomunism instead?
>>725987467Probably true. Maybe some kind of AI dictator can save us eventually.
>>725987383No one able to fix broken bones? Well damn, I'm gonna make a shitload of money by being the first person to offer treatments for broken bones.
>>725987568Because the people with cancer or who needed brain surgeries just died instead of being an endless cashcow
>>725986146I'll make the latte's and teach dance theory!
>>725979314it is the fault of communism because believe or not Marx didn't write diddly squat on how the classless society could be achieved. The people implementing his ideas had to fill in the blanks, and that's how you get soviet and chicom fuckery
>>725986603Yes, yes it is. Human rights should be enshrined within all governments. If you think just because you don't like someone based on certain qualities that you have the right to fuck them over, then you are correct. Because humanity has always treated each other like shit. It is not ideal, but humans are animals at their core.
>>725987639No they got treated and paid out of pocket because it was much cheaper back then(50s/60s)
muh too big to fail bailouts (institutional corruption)muh rent seekers (excessive amount of money supply in the hands of the investors just looking to extract a percentage yield to make their money supply even bigger -> exploitation and extraction out the ass just to make a few percent extra -> everything is squeezed and goes to shit kust to make investooooors a few percent more rich)
>>725985043>[*] (Some restrictions and taxes may apply. Some salaries under FREE HEALTHCARE conditions may be limited to but not exceeding 70 thousand dollars USD, including after 12 years of grueling medical school. This warning does not pertain to politicians or their friends who will be wealthy and who literally all use private healthcare. Consult a financial advisor if you are a gay retard and think FREE HEALTHCARE may be for you)This is how it is in Australia, the more you earn, the bigger your levy payment and so at some point it becomes cheaper to get private healthcare. Though, I think it's around 120k mark here.
>>725987383you have no idea how markets work anon.value of things is impacted heavily by how available they are.if nobody is offering bone treatments THAT becomes valuable.this is super basic supply and demand type shit.
>>725987650What the hell is dance theory, shouldn't you be dancing and not theorizing about it?
I started replaying Vicky 3 now that euros launch was meh. I get the market and production end of things, but I suck at political. No matter what I do, people hate me and want to revolt. I pass laws that make their lives better, but that just leads to more people hating me.
>>725979627They rightfully call out capitalists for commodifying and watering down culture, while their end goal is literally to just to kill and replace the existing ruling class and denounce the things that capitalism has already ruined as fake and or reactionary/counterevolutionary wrongthink.Both economic systems end in oligarchies. In capitalism it’s rule by merchants, in communism it’s rule by the resentful loser fuckup children of merchants who couldn’t be trusted with stewarding the family fortune. Hence why they always mismanage food and industry then chimp out and slaughter their people en masse when they get criticized for it
>>725987687Facts. My great grandfather had melanoma back in the 1940s, and treated it out of pocket. I had it in 2019 and it was covered by medicaid, but I promise you it would have cost hundreds of thousands.
>>725987837Keep producing lots of luxury goods. Focus on it.
>>725987650I will be the guy who comments on society
>>725987672My point is that the definition of "humanity" is quite blurry, especially among some influencial groups. And what you and I might consider atrocities, they might consider culling or harvesting. I'm talking about groups with a totally incompatible worldview, which seems to be what we're dealing with.
Capitalism has made everything and everyone into a product, it's disgusting and a disgrace to humanity.
How the fuck have paradox been unable to make a good game since ck2?
>>725987965just like feudalism and communism does?
>>725987902Ill try that. I've been making so much money, that i can lower taxes and pay government and army more. But that didn't improve living conditions at all
>>725987605Albania is working on it. They will save us all.https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/10/30/albanias-ai-minister-is-pregnant-with-83-digital-assistants-prime-minister-says
>>725987965Would you prefer to live at a time before capitalism was the dominant economic framework of the planet?
>>725972526Communism doesn't give income. You are issued what you need and when you cost more than you can work, you become fertilizer.
>>725988062Yes, before agriculture would be nice.
>>725987657You are a retard. Human nature fucks over anything. Capitalism is failing
>>725972526Finally, we tried real communism.
>>725988118congrats.you are still a product.go hunt.oops, your bone brokeyou die now.
>>725988123It's not.
>>725987818>What the hell is dance theorya subject in which you throw money down the drain so you can tell people you're educated.
>>725987569I wish there were a gender imbalance setting satirizing politics where every theory and conflict was centered around girls trying to get dick.
>>725988114>and when you cost more than you can work, you become fertilizer.If only, instead its when you're politically inconvenient to some bureaucrat who will never produce any value in his life
>>725988221I think we skip that, it's one of them capitalism "jobs".
>>725988218So a bunch of pedophiles with money at the top is the intended results?
>>725988176What a silly thing to say. Why would I be a product if I'm out hunting with my bros to feed my tribe? That's fucking peak human existance.
>>725988176Still sounds preferable to being tax-cattle with no quality of life until slowly dying of rectal cancer at 78
>>725988390no no no noyou dont GET to think big words like that anymoreone syllable grunts onlygohunthurt, bone brokedie.bye.
>>725988431That sounds lovely
>>725987940How would you like to be treated? It is what you learn in kindergarten, isn't it? What you are describing is culture which is different across multiple civilizations and takes many forums. Culture is shaped by the powerful and they make the rules. People just follow and take how they were raised as law figuratively and literally. When two different civilizations meet, they will have disagreements because the powers at be have different views. But those views always come at the expense of the population. People become numb to think that they could contribute so much more to society as they get beat down and get treated poorly. But they accept it, because that is just how it is.
>>725988402see >>725988431you don't get to think big thoughts like that anymore.you chose to be a retarded savage with no proper language, like all hunter gatherers were>>725988469no, it does not. lovely is multi syllable.one syllable grunts.
>>725988176>>725988431>>725988506seething
>>725988506>Knocks you out for being a little bitch
>>725988176grug friend make splint for broken bonegrug bone healgrug hunt again
>>725988541nope. you don't get to think that anymore.one syllable grunts ONLY.I get to think that as an intelligent civilized being who's kind will inevitable stamp out retarded tribals such as yourselves.Your children, if we chose to benevolently integrate them into our superior culture, will get to seethe over how their retarded parents got wiped out.But only if my culture is kind enough to LET them. :)
>>725988587*bang*I say what WAS that savage trying to do with that club?*bang*goodness, he had a friend coming with some sort of primitive poultice!
>>725988308No, the intended result is babies being gangraped, ritually sacrificed, having their blood drained and then forcibly consumed by their parents in demonic rituals before forcing the parents to eat the excrement produced by the party members who at the childrens' corpses.WW2? We were the good guys, btw
>>725972526The only problem with that is that the game assumes all pops are high-trust whites, which makes Socialism OP. Unlike in real life where subhuman elements from the turd world actively try to ruin SocDem nations.
>>725988636i think i'll do whatever i want actually since you can't physically stop mesorry! i'm just going to do whatever i please is all!
No system will ever work because everyone wants more than what they need/can provide back.Human greed isn't a random factor, is the key equation that breaks every single system. And im not even talking about the 1%. This is greed that applies to every part of the pyramid. So of course it doesn't matter which system you implement, or to whom you give power. Humans will always find a way to siphon resources and leave nothing for the rest.
>>725983062>somehow thinking that first post was really suggesting that communism actually works and not being completely sarcasticGenuinely impressive mental retardation.
>>725988798*bang*goodness that one was actually able to string his primitive grunting into something that sounded like a languagethese things might have been MORE than apes after all!
>>725974225that’s extremely generous, it’s more like jews lied that communism was just an innovation on tribalism, attempting to backdate and validate their subversion to help them murder more non jews
>>725973757there is no state in communism
>>725986249I ain't reading all that but profit is in fact bad. Mainstream religion and ancient aristocrats had it right all along. Usury is a sin - it's a force for evil. And merchants really are scum not to be trusted.You know even Jews were only ever supposed to engage in usury against non-Jews? It's point blank considered a tribal attack on the outgroup.
>>725988869>roleplaying on /v/underage
i was talking to a polish dude about communism and he said 'communism is perfect for a country of angels'
>>725988489>It is what you learn in kindergarten, isn't it?When I was in kindergarten, everyone was white. Every one. I was expected to tie my shoes and count to ten. That was it. I suffered none of this garbage current gens are expected to swallow.
>>725988947They chose to roleplay as savages first.I chose to roleplay as the BETTER savage that wiped their kind out in natural tribal warfare.
Will we ever find an alternative to Capitalism and Communism? That isn't just another flavor of Feudalism or Tribalism?
>>725988974I was talking to a polish dude about communism and he said 'ghgrabhagluckgrbahrgrarb' because he was sucking my dick
>>725989062right fair enough then, continue
>>725973159I am a hypnosis fetishist who actually wants to turn humans into an unthinking ant colony no different than robotic drones, and I am aggravated that you keep comparing me and my friends to these fucking Neanderthals.
>>725989073Yes, one where I am in charge of everything and everyone loves me and knows that I'm smart and handsome. Also I have all the money.
>>725972526>Communism is when workers make high wages
>>725989073capitalism isnt a system. the only alternative to it is either total control over all resource allocation and distribution, or removing resource scarcity entirely.
>>725973045there is no governing body in a commune. only problem I see with communism is technological development because you wouldn’t have a giant company with the resources and time to spend tens of millions of dollars on research. I suppose you could make a collective decision to divert more manpower to achieve those things tho
>>725972526There is a reason why empirical observations should inform the theory, not the other way around. This inversion of the scientific method has cost 100 million lives, and more in the future,
>>725989208Im sure that even if you remove resource scarcity there would still be our current flavor of capitalism.
>communism doesn't work because of muh human natureit's actually the opposite, communism doesn't work because humanity is too heterogeneous and the freedoms of a market economy are what allows the vast mass of people with all their numerous differences to organize in a way that best approaches some sort of optimal efficiency
>>725988991Everyone has their different views, but we should not cause harm or disrespect others just because individuals disagree. But, you were raised a certain way, and that is ingrained in your personality. That is what makes us biologically human.
>>725973159communism works great for tribes. their big holdup is competing tribes and their lack of understanding when it comes to medicine/religion/science
>>725989239there always is a governing body in a commune formed of the people OTHER people look to for guidance
>>725988941>this huge authoritarian state will just poof away eventually because everything is so perfect!dumb even for that kike marx
>>725989208Capitalism is absolutely a system.It's just capitalism defends itself by keeping the majority of normies ignorant of its rules and parts, and fearful or critical thought about it. Ironically very 1984. There has always been a Big Brother.
>>725973036lmao
>>725989309anon, those differences are part of human nature. we aren't a collective that can be boxed as a singular unity. therefore, any system that tries to applies the same set rules unto everyone, will fail.its why even justice still faces problems nowadays, and why laws must be written with tons of empty spaces.
>>725989294there unironically couldn't be.everything would need to become so abundant and easily available that it would cost no effort to obtain it.energy, housing, clothing, entertainment, sustenance, etc.the star trek utopia (as a minimum, since even they have issues)that said the very act of achieving this will become a great filter that may drive us to extinction through indulgence.>>725989418describe this "system" then.if its actually a system beyond "individuals can obtain things by exchanging other things" then explain how.
>>725989321commies like to equivocate between communism and tribalism, or communism and brotherhood etc, but they aren’t the same
>>725972526>communism is the most efficient when all of its subjects are mere digits in a computeryeah, no shitnow get actually people to run and be subject to it
>>725989418>keeping the majority of normies ignorant of its rules and parts, and fearful or critical thought about itYou described communism.
>>725989503>those differences are part of human naturethat's fucking retarded and doesn't make any sense, you can imagine a future in which most of the heterogeneity of humanity has been bioengineered away and we'd still be human
>>725989321tribes that engage in anarchistic communism barely function at all and are stuck living in the moment.they "function" by begging for outside help or (in the past) outright taking things whenever there is hardship, and by using excess food to increase their population until they are on the brink of starvation again.their cultures are horrifyingly retarded and lack the concept of planning ahead.the mere thought of "tomorrow" is something left up to the gods.
Communism just works
>>725989598That's what communists typically do.they are taught to play a word game where they ascribe all the universal evils of human organization to a vague concept of "capitalism" that they never can define, but TOTALLY EXISTS AS A SYSTEM GUYS.and in truth, all of the evils they speak of as belonging to capitalism will exist under communism.Usually in a worse form as well.
>>725989503>>725989683
Communism would work if wasn't for the corrupt elites.Actually that would be any system.
>>725989683you don't know enough about the human psyche and our inherent need to tribalize, anon.its harder to realize now but back when cultures were more homogenous this was easily seen.The typical example I fall back on is catholic schoolgirls and their required uniforms.Every visible article of clothing was regulated except for their socks.They chose to tribalize and form a hierarchy of sorts based on the SOCKS they wore.
>>725990047Exactly this.Communism just ends up giving more power to those elites and trying to hide it deeper under its propaganda, which is why in the past corrupt elites have generally worsened things far faster under communism.
>>725990047>>725990147woah cool it with the antisemitism
>>725972526Communism literally is op, it made Russia and China into powerhouses without the stealing all of the stuff from other countries exploit that Europe/America did
Communism only works with universal basic income and an AI supercomputer planning economic output.Basically a retirement home for humanity.
>>725990380well no, gaining absolute fascistic control over their people while simultaneously motivating them to be zealously devoted made them OP in their ability to enact change.... for a time.russia got a LOT of outside experts to help them not fuck things up and china spent people's lives like currency while also sucking up to everyone until they could maneuver themselves into a position of power, ruining a lot of their land and people's health in the process.If china hadn't been so stupid about it I would call their approach a genius "speedrun" strategy.
>>725989540>describe this "system" then.Not easy to do simply.At the base Capitalism "private ownership of the means of production." I would further expand that to logical secondary organization from that. Such as a Stock Market and the existence of the financial system, i.e. the concept of mentally dividing a factory or business into subdividable parts that can then be bought, sold, and traded by non-involved third parties - "I'll have 150 out of 1,000 of the people building iphones please."What's a means of production and why would it matter? A factory basically. Try to look around you and imagine anything that would be made by automation (needs a factory) has a number above it, while anything totally free and natural or made with personal singular labor not. Basically everything should have a number but your own skin and any artisanal Japanese bowls you might have. Just like "the Spice is life" in Dune, he who controls the widget production controls most of your life and how you interact with it.Where did it come from? When the industrial revolution happened, upturinging all centuries old social order not coincidentally, inventing the concept of a "factory" that would eventually destroy all artisanal feudal style labor, society basically faced a choice. Who controls these power-looms and who benefits? It shook out that "to the strongest," whomever was able get these automated machines had near total power with almost no social responsibility. Their only limitation is they can't use violence and are left to trade tons of linen with other people that own other machines. That's Capitalism.It all has huge knockon effects over lifetimes. The aristocracy and the Church (meaningfully) were disintegrated. No one is a thatcher or smith by birth and training anymore. No guilds. The only role in life now is money. The only way normies can get money is to sell themselves (their labor) to owners of capital.
>>725990537>a retirement home for humanityyou mean europe
>communism can only work in fiction kek alright
>>725991179I don't see a contradiction here
>>725972526communism would be op if it didn't necessitate a large political elite class that can leverage who gets to eat bread to advance in their careers
>>725972526Then why it never worked in real life?
>>725972526>>Communism is the most efficienthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8LtQhIQ2AE>>725972687>u be true to life it should be offset with millions of deaths.this also
>>725991110>private ownership of the means of productioncompletely and utterly wrong.you started from an imaginary based derived from COMMUNISM's idea of "public ownership of the means of production"everything else you spouted is worthless, build upon a foundation of lies and bullshit.capitalism is simply when you can obtain things by exchanging other things for them.THAT is its base.Communism and capitalism are NOT opposites, which is why places like china can easily combine the two.you failed.
>>725991990I don;t know who's more deluded turd worlders in their dicatorships or zoomer nu socialists. I'm old enough to remember meat rationing inn eastern Europe and the fat woman with the handgun at the queues to get your tiny piece of meat. The queues would last days and families members would take turns, people would be tryingt to barter their possesions for food along the queue.Communism was hell. No one needs your deluded propaganda about Xis fucking China either, I've seen NE China. Hellscape
>>725972935you are now aware that USA is a socialist hellhole compared to China where rich have to support the poor compared to glorious China where there is no income tax, no property tax and more importantly close to no state social security that requires robbing business owners.https://taxfoundation.org/blog/us-china-tax-policy/
>>725991990'communism' aka marxism says its an historical inevitibility? So if that's the case why does an historical inevitibility need you shilling for it. Communist China hangs up pictures of a 19th century prussian bum called karl marx beside a man called mao who starved tens of millions to death and destroyed much of the chinese peoples heritage 'for communism', Fuck off.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxDCvbYoUeM
>>725993317You're really here trying to shill for the FUCKING CHINSE COMMUNIST PARTYYOU UTTER CUNThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7VxqXJ9BuAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK8zo16WnTYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3RzKKfNkTk
>>725991990This just reads like schizo shit to me (though I'm a little schizo myself) and I shouldn't reply.But I do want to say ownership and its various ways to do it with society is all very real. And you can see a modern just happening example with AI. Which is analogous to the early industrial revolution and the birth of true Capitalism.You can have private ownership of the means of AI, e.g. OpenAI's chatGPT, Elon's Grok, Google's Gemini. You can in contrast have personal/more socialist ownership with your own localized AI a la Stable Diffusion. With corpo AI they decide what your allowed to do "no nudity! No mean words about minorities! No taboo political thought about da joos." Also mirroring the historical Enclosure movement and the shutdown of traditional commons by industrial Capitalism in Britain, the private ownership of the means of AI sucked up free communal data on the Internet, then tried to lock it off. Then data troves like Reddit or Twitter became closed off and jealousy monetized, where before things were free and proto-socialist. This is commodification and mirrors what happened in the early 1800s. You get big winners and a lot of losers.As AI will grow it will consume more aspects of your old life, and those elites who control the means of AI will, openAI or whatever, will have increasing control over life. In a world where movies are made with AI who gets a say in what your allowed to do and who gets a cut? Or you could just have worker ownership of AI and totally free IP.This is a difference between private ownership of a means of production, and just technology.
>>725993002>>725993347what made you idiots think I am a communist?communism cannot be the opposite of capitalism because capitalism is not a system and barely qualifies as an ideology.>>725993531"true capitalism" isn't capitalism.is corporatism, which is more akin to another, softer form of feudalism where once again you have the main government lording over smaller groups that have a lot of autonomy so long as they pay their taxes.
>>725993509Nah, bro just sayan that it's easier to get rich from business and keep your money without paying accountants in China compared to USA.In Murica, rich have to resort to tricks to keep their money and pay less taxes while Chinese tax system is designed for that.
>>725993791communism denies private property rights, capitalism requires them. Fuck off.Chinas growth was entirely dependent on foreign direct investment from non communists ststes, now that plug has been pulled, watch it collapse.
Real communism has never been triedReal capitalism has never been triedReal feudalism has never been triedReal humanity has never been tried
>>725993917>keep your money without paying accountants in China compared to USA.You don't have ANY rights to ANYTHING in china because its a totalitarian single party state you clown.
>>725994431communism has always granted private property rights as it pleases kiddo.
>>725991990>capitalism is simply when you can obtain things by exchanging other things for themNo, that's not capitalism. That's just trade, barter or otherwise. Capitalism necessitates the existence of capital and is ideologically oriented towards its expansion and maximization. Without capital it would not exist. Humanity engaged in trade before the first coins had been minted. They exchanged things for other things, without the presence of capitalism.You are retarded.
>>725972526Communism fails precisely because life isn't a videogame where central command can calculate exactly how much Generic Food Unit each worker needs and assign production quotas based on that.
>>725991990>>725994853Capitalism is when private property. That's it. Neither trade nor money are capitalism, they are just natural consequences of it.
>>725995315private property exists under communism lolcommunists are just too stupid to understand it.>>725994853congrats you figured out what capitalism actually is, but were too stupid to get it.
>>725990047No it wouldn't. Markets are too useful for deciding the real value of a product. You can't dictate production across an entire country without some system of supply and demand.
>>725994509>No one has any right in china>You have "rights" in usa>But you can only exert it against people whose power is weaker than you, not to upper caste people let alone corporations So China is more "equal"?
Like real communism, it only works in fantasy
>>725973505Unlike communists, capitalists can truly claim that there is no real capitalism.Money, the meter that measures how good an economic decision would be, is openly being distorted by central banks. This understandably leads to all sorts of terrible investments.
>>725976304that's an unreal simplification. Someone should make a capital markets mod
>>725989239there is always a governing bodywe aren't spiders we're humans
>>725972526stupid americans dont understand fascism or communismi can explain why communism doesnt work, basically the system is plagued by information errors, in a free market economy, prices work as a signal that tell people where to focus production, when to buy and when to sell stuff, we, this whole thing the "free market" is nothing more than millions of individuals using their judgement and free will to make decisionsunder communism, a bunch of idiotic bureaucrats think they can do the same by themselves, but since they are not omniscient nor omnipresent, they do not know all the different signals that normally prices provide to the market, even when they know some of the information necessary to organize production, this information almost always arrives too late, making the system inherently inefficientat best this makes communist regimes not competitive compared to other forms of government in the international market, at worst, 10s of millions starve because of idiotic bureaucratic decisions that made sure food production was not enoughit is also an inherently authoritarian system, since the only way to make everyone equal is by interfering in their free exchange of goods and services by using state force, this on top of the government controlling production AND security, makes a dictatorship almost inevitablet. venezuelan who lived under a socialist regime and saw all this shit first hand
>>725997850keep in mind im ASSUMING the commies in charge have good intentions, but more often than not, thats not the case, see stalin, mao, the kims, maduro, ortega, fidel, etc
>>725984158But we don't have AI, we have a glorified text translator
>>725997850>t. venezuelanWell brown people are stupid so this post must be wrong.
