Who is this headset for?Theory 1) People who want a quest 3 but don't like getting zucked and want a PC OSTheory 2) Enthusiasts because it's a premium headsetSay this headset is just below index pricing like suggested at $800-$900. It's described as a premium headset. It's not. Valve spent years designing the form factor for a premium headset then gave it 2 year old specs. Why put so much care and autism about every decision in the design over 5 years just to put shit panels in it? It's a quest 3/pico 4 tier headset that trades some features for others and puts additional cost in styling, modularity, and ergonomics. I don't think I can say the eyetracking and better sound cost more than color passthrough and a depth sensor. Enthusiasts who would pay $800-$1000 or more have headsets with better specs. Newcomers and midrangers will balk at the price and just get a Quest 3. The best part about this headset is the weight, but pico 4 was able to do a rear battery and sub 300g front and hit the quest 2/3 price category in 2022. Why couldn't valve make an economic Steam OS pico 4 in less time if they wanted to reach the average user? Why didn't they give it exciting panels so enthusiasts would pick up the headset they actually made? Theory 3) People who want to play flat games on a virtual screenThis category of user benefits from color passthrough when using a portable headset like a portable. They benefit from high resolutions. Contemporary panels they could choose from would never have the PPD of a physical display, but at least the headset wouldn't be blurshit. And people who wanted to use the frame for desktop/general computing are fucked by the low resolution the most. Here we have this light weight, super ergonomic headset with no detail overlooked and you can wear all day, but no matter how much money you have you can't buy a high resolution version of it. It's an boutique good for valve fans so they can say they own something that shipped 500,000 units.
>>725976260The Index was better
>>725976260I'm going to guess that it's for people who want to buy a VR headset with the intent of playing games or viewing VR videos with it.
>>725976260>People who want a quest 3 but don't like getting zucked and want a PC OSThis is my reason why I would get one. I have my old occulus rift lying around, but I'm tired of the shitty cables. I'm going to wait for tests before I get one though.
>>725978205What would say the highest price you'd pay is?
>>725976367Fpbp
>>725976260The best part about the Frame release is gonna be me gobbling up a Quest 3 for like $200-250 from people on Ebay who just wanna sell quickt. Quest 2let
>>725978675I'm using my rift as reference point to determine a clear line on how much I'm actually willing to pay. I bought my rift in 2017 for 450 bucks. I would pay that today too, but it has been 8 years. Tech and production have advanced since then, so, around 300 bucks I would say. Depending on what get additional stuff there is, I might go up to 350, tops.
>>725980340There is simply no earthly way it can be $350, or $500, I consider my $600 optimism to be be a pipe dream. Any of these numbers would put a big chunk of the population on a waiting list
>>725980674>or $500500, if it has upgradable parts like RAM or storage space. Your numbers made me sceptical and I took a quick look at current prices and I'm not surprised anymore.
>>725976260>Why put so much care and autism about every decision in the design over 5 years just to put shit panels in itBecause valve are scammers. You shouldve know they were exploiting the goodwill of their fanboys after they released the deck OLED for $600+Tax and tip with no performance improvement or chip upgrade.The fucking Z1 extreme was already everywhere yet valve just go greedy. Fuck valve.
>>725976948and this pisses me off. I love my index, but this was supposed to be an upgrade.Can anyone tell me the draw backs of the frame compared to the index?
>>725976260Fuck off Zuck. You lost.
>>725982630It's wireless, pretty much it. That is the one and only thing it has over the index. It's a Quest 3 competitor. Beyond that the Index is technically superior in every other way.
>>725976948truth. It's more of a sidegrade than an upgrade.
>>725982630front audio is going to compromise the sound, that's basically it
What about porn though Is it good with VR? I was always considering getting it for the porn desu
>>725982789Well except resolution, lenses, eyetracking, weight, and its a portable linux PC
>>725983265could you wear separate headphones over it? works with the index if you take the speakers off
>>725983375You can use it to look at 2D porn you converted into 3D using AI. It's dope
how do the quest 3/3s work for vr porn and racing games?
>>725983485There's no headphone jack. The audio is built into the facial interface that's swappable though and has some kind of connector. So you can't just buy headphones and use it with it with the frame, it's gotta be something made for it.
>>725983650surely you could use bluetooth headphones at least.
>>725983485>>725983650
>>725976260normies
>>725983265what about tracking? Can we still use the frame in wired mode? I feel like it's over for real vr
>>725983769yeah it has bluetooth but people complain about latency, I don't use them so I wouldnt know.
>>725976260literally no dev has the money to port their shit to steamosvr
>>725982630copeindex/super expensive shit is deadget a pimax 16k or whatever
>>725983838You can use wired for power but not for video, and lighthouse tracking is gone, they don't make it anymore
>>725983375a ton of work for a 30sec wank
and zuck gives away quest3s literally for half the price
r*dditors who aren't such retarded normies they get zucked and need to buy a router just to play a video game from their PC
>>725983969The valve guy said it would run android APKs as long as it didn't use some special propriety meta API or whatever. I'm not an expert though
>>725984027>a ton of work for a 30sec wank>he never installed skyrim sex mods
>>725984065you can't run quest apk on pico that uses the same processor and andtoid
>>725983993only power.... Wtf
>>725984027The fuck do you mean, you dont edge for an hour and a half going through all your library? Weirdo
>>725983970I am coping. I'm rich, I don't want subpar shit. Poor people ruin everything. So sick of it
>>725984238It's only 2160p with eye tracked foveated encoding. Everyone claims the wireless is indistinguishable from display port and there's only a difference in latency. Who is going to want a wired headset over 15ms of latency. The cable will always be more more noticeable.
>>725976260it's for me, specifically, not seethe cope dilate and fuck right the fuck off and eat all 7 of my asses
>>725976367fpbpliterally this/thread
>>725984193Yes, you can, with few notable exceptions. Ovrport works well and has for awhile.
>>725982630
>>725982630>>725976948Wireless and much lighterQuest 3 is like 300 grams heavier, and its front heavy which is the worst shit
>>725984325
>>725976260I'm really bummed it doesn't have color passthrough. I'm mostly interested in spacial computing and monitor replacement. I know there might be an addon for the nose slot but it's still a bummer. Especially since I'm losing hope for it to be priced competitively to the quest 3
>>725985532Too bad about the jewish spyware. I almost considered it but I want a dedicated PC link not Virtual Desktop.
>>725985734You don't need pass through camera for monitor replacement
>>725986216I would *like* camera passthrough tho. I want to be specially aware of all the other shit around me. B&w isn't a deal breaker for me
>>725986347Spacially* whatever potato tomato
>>725983516How to convert
Ik just interested in how it Will contribute to ARM-X86 compatibility layers.I think they're testing grounds here to see if ARM is a good idea for Steam Deck 2, much more power efficient. X86 progress for mobile chips is progressing too slow.
>>725986653https://github.com/nagadomi/nunif
>>725985094>less fovWtf>WiFi 7 but comes with 6eWhy 6e? Wtf it's the point of 7?Fuck inn annoyed right now. Gaming is fucken dead
>>725983375Vr porn is cool at first but the novelty wears off and it becomes too much of a hassle just for a fap.Ar porn is fucking nuts though, and frame will not have good passthrough and I heard its not even color passthrough. Also no oled. Really youre just paying for not to get zucked. The good news is that vr is actually pretty close to getting pretty frictionless headsets (lightweight, wireless, good passthrough, and really good lenses) becoming the norm. Either pay Zuck or just hold out a little bit more
>>725976260Because all of their new products are priced for entry level. Frame - $400Steam Machine - $600Controller - $80Screencap this.
>>725987268It literally says right there that the 6e wi-fi is dedicated for streaming, so the wi-fi 7 is presumable for general use.130 FOV is, as far as I know, well beyond what any other headset has, including the bigscreen beyond 2 and the samsung xr. The industry is settling on 100-110 fov as standard and if I were to guess why it's probably due to diminishing returns.Just because a number is smaller doesn't necessarily mean it's objectively worse, although I do concede I don't actually own an index to have my opinion on its fov. But, it really seems to me like you're just trying to stir up drama for the sake of it.
>>725986057I heard galaxy XR can be rooted, wait and see what people do with it
>>725987268Probably latency autism where wi-fi 7 was able to crank the bit rate but the SOC only going to be able to decode so fast
>>725987770>and it becomes too much of a hassle just for a fapYou just put the headset on and launch Virtual Desktop tho. What do you mean hassle?
>>725987776screencapped for laughs later
>>725987791You got it backwards. VR streaming is the most demanding wireless steaming application of all time. Your internet can't even saturate wi-fi 6I think the general antenna is only wi-fi 5, cant remember
>>725987776There's no way it will cost 400$
>>725987770For those whose big gripe is the piss-poor passthrough, one company has "implied" and another has confirmed they already have high quality color passthrough cameras in development for the Frame. I'll be impressed if either costs less than a whole Quest 3S.
>>725979978Enjoy your cum crust on your used hmd.
>>725988323Thanks sister
>>725988189Sounds plausible, maybe that source I got that image from got it wrong? I just checked the official steam page and it says "Wi-Fi 7, 2x2Dual radios enable concurrent 5GHz Wi-Fi and 6GHz VR streaming"Which makes it sounds like it's just one dual band, no explicit mention of 6E.
>>725988595And I should have kept reading because literally right below that it mentions the 6E adapter for streaming, fuck I'm retarded
>>725984029he makes the difference back in harvested data
>>725981215>upgradable parts like RAM or storage spaceit has 16gb of RAM and an SD card slot
>>725988595It's two, separate, dual-band radios. It can do two simultaneous 5GHz, 6GHz, or one of each, any mix of single or dual-band between them.
>>725976260If it's cheap, anyone who wants to check out VR with no commitment
>>725983485Obviously, but with how good the speakers were on the Index there was not really a reason to do so unless you were doing something extra fucking degenerateAt least with the Frame you can just mute the headset and throw on your headphones if you wanna watch porn.
>>725981215>upgradable parts like RAMAre you a louis rossman by chance
>>725985094>microwaves to fry your thoughts instead of a direct line to your GPUrip
>>725976260If they don't fuck up the implementation, this is going to be the best wireless PCVR headset on the market. So it's for me, because I think it would be nice to get rid of the cable.
>>725976260the only VR headset I've owned was an Oculus Go and the internal screen cable somehow managed to unseat itself so it's useless now. had fun with some of the source ports though, quake 1 works surprisingly well with a single gimped controller on a 3dof headset.i've essentially gone all in on ARM aside from an Ayaneo Slide I use for steam games and Switch emulation. not having to deal with Facebook just to have a useable standalone headset makes it all the more appealing
>>725989012>there was not really a reason to do so unless you were doing something extra fucking degenerateImagine telling the female index/frame sound engineer the headset can't have hard mounted speakers on the side because it just can't ok. And it has IR emitters so it tracks in the dark.
What's the downside to pic related besides price?
>>725989268I've heard the tracking isn't as good as Index or other gaming-focused headsetsthe primary usecase of BSB was movies in VR, iirc
>>725988229So Zuck is selling the Quest 3 for $250, and everyone here is calling this a competitor to the Quest 3 and bitching the hardware is years out of date. How is it unreasonable for the frame to cost that much? Why are people throwing around shit like $900?
>>7259893833s is $300 and 3 is $500 Iast I checked. There's refurbed quest 3 for $350 or something. You gotta compare new prices to new prices. In the quest 3 everything is contained in the front HMD chassis and the headstrap is just a cheap band. It's bulky and cheap and looking with not a lot of pieces. But it's also heavily subsidized like video game console pricing because meta expects you to recoup their costs when buying games on the meta store. This is why $500 for the frame is unachievable. Valve might be able subsidize the frame, I wouldn't know. But they have no reason to give them away at such a low volume. I think the first round is only 500k units.The index was a terrible value but it always sold.
>>725989268>90HzFor casual (fat) gamers who can't move their heads quickly.>Valve LighthousesRelies on deprecated technology no longer available from the original manufacturer. Good luck with that.>No 3.5mm Audio Out, $130 optional audio strapYou've got some Bluetooth headphones, right? If you invest into your setup you might manage "only" 35ms of audio delay instead of the usual 150+.>No passthrough, no cameras at allEnjoy peeling your goggles off every 5 minutes. >No hand tracking, no body trackingAt least you can spend an additional $200 for a 2e to get eye tracking.Enjoy tripping over your $80 fiber-optic cable. If your only goal is to watch VR porn in your hospital bed, it's fine I guess.
Learning how much extra shit you need + the cable for the premium VR experience I see why Valve is going in this all in one direction. The LCD lenses is reallllly disappointing though, won't be fun to do anything like watch movies in these.
>>725976948thing is, you can't buy index anymore, they stopped producing it, so what am i supposed to do? ofc im gonna buy this shit
>>725976260i will buy it for 1000 bucks as long as i don't need an account to use it.want my VR headset to be like a monitor.
>>725990426DAC is cheappulley system fixes wire problemit's better for reclining since no battery pack behind your headno crappy compression. no wasting GPU on encoding
>>725990661He asked for downsides though.
>>725990710and you exaggerated them so I corrected you
>>725976260>dont luck the taste of zuck semen in my mouththis is it. I wont buy a meta anything. My life already revolves around these rich fucks so I might aswell choose which ones balls are in my mouth.
>>725990770If you unplug a BSB2 from the computer, you get a Ray Charles sim.If you unplug a Steam Frame from the computer, it stops charging as you continue to play your game.
>>725990869but I didn't unplug my bsb2
>>725990949>t. self-bondage practitioner
>>725990661>it's better for reclining since no battery pack behind your headValve didn't fuck this up though. The battery is a tall flat pad on the frame. And its disingenuous to complain about that but not the wire.Compression is not an issue anymore. They don't make lighthouses so when they all break it's over.
>>725983910People who argue latency on 4chan are the least likely to notice. Everyone's a competitive CS2 player all of a sudden. The bluetooth audio latency is negligible unless you're trying to judge shit like where shots are coming from in a competitive game.
>having to charge your face monitor>having to wear a battery pack
>>725991053>when they all breakWhen they all break? It's over as soon as someone can't buy a new set of base stations and controllers for their $1219 mistake, it doesn't include them and Bigscreen doesn't sell them.
>>725991346>wearing a fanny pack while walking behind your mom in the grocery store
>>725991346>having to charge your face monitorYeah I was hoping for an HDMI in to bypass that gay shit. Maybe there will be a module for that but I'm not holding my breath.
>>725991346>having to wear a cableI loop my cable through a puppy collar woof woof
>>725991431Holy fuck you are so dumb I love you. You have sidekick energyYou plug in a hdmi cable 100% of the time so you don't have to plug in a power cable some of the time.
>>725991431I think you can charge and play with wire but no video over wire
>2160x2160 LCDit's over
how do you make any sort of hardware in 2025 and decide to use LCD panels over OLED
>>725988710Gabe can also make the frame cheaper and make the difference back in steam store sales.but he won't because more MONEYMONEYMONEY
>>725976260>Theory 1) People who want a quest 3 but don't like getting zucked and want a PC OSyeah pretty much, but the kicker I believe is that it is very light, at only 180grIf you ask me, I wouldn't buy it even if I have here a quest 2 accumulating dust, this entire line of hardware products feels like alphies/zoomers first vr headset and pc
>>725983769>>725983910>>725991158honestly on quest 3 the latency is p bad with bluetooth headphones
I can't wait for aftermarket headstraps. Bump the battery up to 40Wh and give me a 3.5mm jack, I'm ready to gamble my life on a half pound of Chinese lipo.
>>725976260>muh lcdyou niggers are retarded if you just compare individual specs
even some of the early shill reviewers complained they see the space between pixels and it's disappointing
>>725992175So a year later he can sell you the same product again but with OLED this time. Just like the Steam Deck!
>>725992472The tech press tried, you'll never guess2160p had 2160p sharpness and LCD had LCD contrast
>>725976260Why is nobody talking about the Play for Dream MR and the Galaxy XR, just released? I'm really hoping Valve's compatibility software makes their way to these headsets, cuz that would be a huge deal.
>>725990426Lighthouses are currently being produced by HTC and are still available for purchase new.USB-C port on the right side is available for audio, and you can use your own DAC if you're autistic about audio.You've never used a VR headset if you think you need to see your surroundings every 5 minutes. Do you have object permanence problems? Do you need to remind yourself of reality or you forget it's there?SteamVR is the best place for body tracking and this is a SteamVR native headset. With a Quest or other standalone headset, you need to do playspace calibration and deal with drifting between tracking universes.Buy a headset and try VR for once.
>>725986057consider ALVR if youre for some reason spooked by VDOr the Play for Dream
>>725992827$1800-$2100 Quest clones, high-res screens, only 90Hz, no games, no ability to be tethered (Wifi Streaming Only), no 3.5mm jack. Why would I want this?
>>725991405Still available to purchase, don't lie anon.
>>725992827They are both really expensive. I've heard of steam link being on the PFD not the galaxy XR. Not the most comfortable looking headsets, I know people complain about the galaxy XR. I remember the PFD is actually light though as comes with the territory of being a chink product. Neither are gaming headsets and I haven't watched a deep dive into either of them, they are just known for micro displays and if they didn't have those they wouldn't interest anyone.
>>7259932154k Micro OLED display. Why wouldn't you want it? What's the last OLED headset you used?
>>725993227yeah but you were scared tho
>>725976260As someone who hasn't owned any VR gear yet, it's tempting. Wireless PCVR as the main focus, plus some standalone ability.I was never interested in the Quest as it seems to be focused entirely on shitty standalone Android games with streaming as a reluctant afterthought requiring extra gear.I don't care about cameras. I do care about not having a 3.5mm jack, that seems like a retarded oversight.I wouldn't pay $900 but might buy if it's closer to the Quest price.
>>725993215Quest clones but with crazy res.
>>725993314BSB2, and it's gay, I hate it, my OG Samsung Odyssey is vastly superior.
>>725992175Not to defend the Frame which I think is a big steaming pile of shit IIRC the current cheapest OLED w/ pancake lenses are around $1800+So you can see why they decided to skip to LCD instead of trying to teleport 10 years in the future to deliver it around a pricepoint people could swallow. >Just use fresnel lenses then!No.
>>725993314not that anon but they are mainly MR general use headsets. The visuals are going to be unmatched but then you have comfort, audio quality, and ability to track controllers well to worry about. You would think they would give a shit about the first one at least but aesthetics seems to be the top priority.
>>725976260A majority of my vr experience has been on a HP Reverb G2 and before that, a Samsung Odyssey+, with WMR and Windows 10 dead, my headset will eventually become a paperweight (it has dead pixels and scratches on the lenses too). I'm buying a frame because it's a straight upgrade from it and I don't want to buy a Quest 3 and a new router
>>725991405Valve mentioned something about making it so others can produce lighthouse trackers if they want but idk what that really ends up meaning. hopefully doesnt fuck over bigscreen too badly because I like the niche they have
>>725993771There's a free program on steam that adds back compatibility for wmr headsets, and you don't need the actual wmr app to do it. People say their old wmr headsets run better with the homebrew program than with the wmr app. The only kicker is you need w11 to use it. Lemme see if I can find the name
I really hope they didn't cheap out on the microphones, it's still an array mic so that's a start. The Index and Samsung's Odyssey headset had extremely good microphones and I'm spoiled for it.
>>725994604oasis driver
>>725994604>>725993771It's called Oasis
>>725994731>>725994738Hey I hadn't heard about this, thanks anons.
>>725994738ooo I wish I'd known about this sooner, i was putting off moving to W11 mainly because of WMR
>Just getting into VR as quick as possible with instant access to your steam library AND stand-alone features>no fucking wires, faulty or otherwise>good weight balancingI like my quest 2 well enough but I am so sick of starting it up and seeing bullshit ai meta world advertisements.
>>725991834for index or vive owners this is a big step up in res I guess
>>725987791It's not diminishing returns as much as physics challenges with the lenses.
>>725994126 Yeah, Valve basically said "yo, make your own trackers if you want," which is great on paper but in practice probably means Bigscreen has to shoulder more R&D if they want to stay competitive with tracking. Lighthouse 2.0 is still solid tech, but if Valve’s not shepherding the ecosystem anymore, you’re gonna see less plug-and-play consistency and more DIY jank unless someone steps up. I dig the Bigscreen niche too though, especially for their tiny form factor and micro OLEDs. Just hope they don’t get kneecapped by a lack of support or Valve doing some half-ass support pivot again like they did with WMR.
It's a lighter, wireless, lighthouseless Index. With modding capabilities and better specs.There are no downsides. Sure there are other headsets with better specs but also shittier implementation and easily going into the $2k range.
So it's pretty much give & take compared to an Index's feature set?
I can't wait to shitpost from this thing.
>>725989210oh man 3dof is so shit that i wouldnt even call it real VR. you will enjoy the uograde.
>>725976260I'm going to use it to masturbate to anime girls.
>>725985094>21.6wh batteryHow long do you think it will last under any load?
>>725976260>color passthroughGimmick>depth sensorBuzzwordBut you have a point, $800-900 is way too much for a headset that is essentially just a quest 3 with ONE additional feature: eye tracking. The index gives you more bang for your buck and an upgrade path, in comparison.
>>726000243All standalone headsets aim for 2 hrs battery life.
its for people like me that couldnt give a fuck about stand alone and prefer to do PCVR which is what it was designed for
>>726000243Asspulling from memory I think digital foundry said 1 hour if you are stressing it with standalone and 4 hours of PCVR streaming. Dont quote me on that though
>>726000383It's a time of flight sensor. I don't give a shit how it works but apparently it made the room setup of the quest 3 seamless. Quest 2 I have issues keeping my room setup when time of day changes. Meta has good computer vision engineers but meta doesnt give a shit about user experience. I have no idea if I should expect valve to do it better.
>>726001027valve has infinite money and prestige meanwhile facebook is used as a career launchpad, you can tell the company sucks cause they couldnt even keep john carmack
>>726001248facespace has infinite money gltich unlike valve from harvesting your data and zuck can blow billions on bad bets until he wins
>>726001248valve is a few hundred employees and you could probably count all the VR people on your fingers. This is why it took so long to get the frame. If the frame was out 1 or 2 years sooner it would be a lot more impressive
>>725983838>>725982630Maybe if you weren't fucking retarded and actually watch the videos valve put out showing how it works then maybe we wouldn't have to hear you bitch and moan about cords and shit
>>725976260I'm thinking about buying it as a replacement for my old ass htc vive, desu
>>725976260>Theory 3) People who want to play flat games on a virtual screenpeople dont want to play flats on virtual screens if they can choose, people want to convert flats to 3d while retaining traditional controls. You would think devs would look at the popularity of something like UEVR mod and take a hint>>725985204you can barely feel the weight of quest 3 as is. Any more lighter config is pure diminishing returns at this point
>no headphone jackWhat were they THINKING?
>>726003975>you can barely feel the weight of quest 3 as isSounds like cope. I've never tried one but it has the same front weight as the quest 2, just closer to your eyes. It also highly depends on your use case. I could sit down and play a sim in the quest 2 indefinitely but if I play forefront and hold a two handed gun for 2 hours my back hurts like a motherfucker. I have a battery headstrap and it helps a lot to load my top strap but at the cost of higher overall weight. Headset fronts probably need to be under 300 grams. I dont think 300-400 would be a big enough difference.
>>725990652>want my VR headset to be like a monitor.2160p per eye is no way near enough for that
>>726004257quest 2/3 is 500 grams up front in comparison. I don't know why zuck didn't do a rear battery that motherfucker
I want this along with the controller badly. Just something that isn't a heavy piece of shit on my head and isn't spying on me from across the room. just hope it's all affordable or else I'm slapping the skin off your penis
>>726004161Replaceable battery/audio/strap unit. This way they can market the JackStrap, and Chinese companies can come in with their BigBatteryJackStraps.
>>725990652>>726004272This is why I think the headset is so dumb. If it was monitor replacement resolution I would pay $1200 for it because it does an additional thing and I'm not buying another monitor for the rest of my life, just better and better headsets and absorbing the cost of a hypothetical monitor. If it comes out just under $1000 I'm scared to buy it at 2160p because now that's money I don't have when a future monitor headset becomes available. And valve has the steam deck oled situation looming over it where they could drop better panels in it themselves after saying it wasn't possible.
>>725993354>I was never interested in the Quest as it seems to be focused entirely on shitty standalone Android games with streaming as a reluctant afterthought requiring extra gear.I have a quest 3 and exclusively use it for PCVR. standalone thing is nice for watching some movies on the road but that is about it. Everything else, like browsing the net, a regular ass smart phone does just as good Just get a quality third party link cable (metas official one is stupid overpriced) and you are good to go Only downside I have is that the tether cable is not enough to charge it from a PC usb port link. So ever four or five hours or so I need to recharge it for like 20 minutes. This is with intensive use like gaming heavy performance games>inb4 zuck spyingonly way facebook can do that is when you connect to the net via wifi. Dont have wifi on or allow to connect to any network. I haven't been online with it for at least three years and no software bricks thus far
>>726003975vr is wasted on first person sloppa. third feels so fucking good when it werks in UEVR. At a certain point it feels like games should come with a "VR mode" that you can just beam the game into a headset and use controller/kb+m without worrying about anything else.
>>726004649>just never play anything multiplayerpass
>>726004257>Sounds like cope.>I've never tried oneso you are talking out of your ass without ever touching it. Quest 3 is very light weight and unless your neck is made from spaghetti you wont barely notice it. Compared to actual weighty boys like gen 1 HMDs
>>726004746you can access the net via PC link you tard, including games. The quest itself just can't access the net for updates and what not
>>726004779Read my post. "Its light weight dude trust me" means nothing. 500 grams isn't magically lighter because some of it got moved back an inch
>>726004861>just buy a standalone headset and ignore the standalone features, isolate it from the internet, use it as a PCVR headset that relies on encoding because it has no real video inputhard pass
>>726004728no matter if its first or third person sloppa ultimate and most long lasting VR usage is a replacement to monitors in gaming. Flat screens always feel like staring into the game world through tiny little windows
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>>726004958seeing as standalone barely is anything more then a gimmick then nothing of value is lost
>>726004942>Read my post.no>00 grams isn't magically lighter because some of it got moved back an inchit is as it feels much lighter. End user experience matters the most not stats on paper
>>726005017Your the one that needs to finish grade school science, I told you I had counter weight with a battery strap which is going to do the same thing.
>>726005134>End user experience matters the mostUntil the low effort zuck headset isn't light enough and then it's time to stop improving
>>725976260Valve lied, people died.
>>726004964true. the last time i used UEVR was a coomer game and KH3. I couldnt give a shit a bout KH3 but it was engaging enough that i made it the entire way through because the novelty of it never wore off through the entire playthrough. With worldscale turned down it was like watching minis fight on a tabletop, small soldiers style, and thats something that can never ever be replicated through a regular screen or even making a game appear like youre seeing it on an imax screen. making a screen feel big is hardly a benefit to vr (to me)
>>726005170No, it won't. Your counter weight won't affect torque and moment of inertia the same way as actually shifting the mass closer to the center of rotation. It's going to further slow you down and put more strain on your neck, you'll be making things worse. Your education system failed you.
>>726005456the only way you could shift the mass closer to the center of rotation is by embedding the hardware into your fucking skull
I love playing linux with my friends we fight over who gets to go first haha
>>726005391If I'm gonna wear a VR headset I'm gonna be in a sci-fi room in space being blown by robot anime girls. I don't care about making windows float in my real room.
>>726005524They shifted the center of mass of the Quest 3 almost a full inch closer to your face compared to the Quest 2. It's a difference in moment of inertia of around 40%, a massive change. It's not my fault you dropped out.
>>726005456>It's going to further slow you down and put more strain on your neck, you'll be making things worse.I tried to go back to my headstrap with no battery and I couldn't because it was so horrible. I could feel my head being pulled down. This is common knowledge in VR that counterweighing headsets improves comfort. You're just making a clown of yourself
>>7259872686e is dedicated for the controllers, so it doesnt use the same band
I want feedback
>>726005629It decreases static torque, so does shifting the weight closer to your face, but it still increases moment of inertia and leads to greater fatigue. I'm very familiar, I used to run the 645g Samsung Odyssey.
>erm, this is a bad thing actually
>>726005751So you still think the Quest 3 doesn't feel lighter and less fatiguing than the Quest 2 without having tried one?
>>726005593>It's a difference in moment of inertia of around 40%This sounds like marketing. What would 100% look like? The quest 3 isn't that much more shallow than the quest 2. It's still so far away from the point your head tilts on your neck. I don't even think 500 gram eyeglasses would be great.
>>726005847>So you still think the Quest 3I'm not that guy, I'm just wondering why you think counterweights somehow lead to greater fatigue than just stacking all the weight on one side of your head
>>725990652>>726004272>>726004628Wait fuckSo this is NOT a monitor replacement? I was going to buy it for that
>>726005017Your head as the fulcrum feels all weight nomatter the distribution on top tho
>>726005847that's a different anon. It must be some improvement but I seriously doubt that it makes 500 grams acceptable. More specifically, your head is mounted on your neck and your neck is mounted on your back. If we balance the weight on the head better the head won't try to tilt down, which improves the strain on neck muscles a lot, but your back still has to lift your head. That also hurts. And the 500g headset even if it's 1 inch further back is only slightly closer to your spine. You can only get so much improvement out of balancing too much weight.
>>726006039Depends if you want a blurry monitor I guess.
>>726006145You control the distribution with your neck muscles.>>726006010Increasing the overall weight without any other change is worse than shifting the weight closer to your face. Can't do that without buying a headset that has better weight distribution, so a counterbalance is still an improvement over a given headset, presumably.>>726006235It makes a massive difference, try one. Then stick a counterweight on it if you want.
>>726006410>You control the distribution with your neck muscles.That doesn't contradict what I saidYour head as the fulcrum feels all the weight nomatter the distribution
>>726006410>Increasing the overall weightthe counterweight is the fucking batterythe battery already existed in the device, it's not adding weight, just relocating it to the rear
>>726006295What's the eye resolution required to be a "normal" monitor, monitorfag?
>compressionlets arguing where to attach their battery on their headkek
Okay but the controllers of the index were amazing and I want that back.Being able to let go and have the controllers still stay on my hands + finger tracking was fun.This looks like the controllers are now gay Vive wands.
>>725976260Me. It's for me.
>>726005593Isn't moment of inertia about yawing your head left and right? That's not nice with VR headsets but it doesn't make me tired, its more of a distraction and bad with floated halo headstraps.
>>726006534I have never seen someone relocate the battery, only buy shitty Chinese headstraps with weighted battery packs. So you dismantle the headset and remove the internal battery? That's fuckin' neato.
>>726006561The higher the better? 2160p vr feels like you're looking at a 720p monitor at best.
>>726006712you are so fucking retarded it's unreal
>>726006410>You control the distribution with your neck muscles.Not that anon but the particular thing that's a problem is when you play shooters or sword fighting games you're gonna play in a predator stance with forward posture usually. It also depends on the game. I played alyx with a revergb G2 which is by no means a light headset and I didn't have back pain because I was upright and exploring so much and doing relaxed one hand shooting. But in forefront I'm holding out both controllers and always in a predator stance because I'm never out of combat.
>>725976260It's for AIjeets
Why can't I pay 2x the price for oled and a higher resolution
>>726003975this is like 0.01%
>>726005391not interested in mr memesbased
>>726006897Because 2x the price means it's going to cost $2000.
>>726007281if it was $2000 but had the microoleds like the galaxy XR and PFD headset which are also around $2000, people would cum and they would all be bought up instantly because its the best VR headset ever made. I don't even know what improvement would come in 5 years with the possible exception of body tracking. You have god tier contrast and blacks and nobody is driving over 4000 pixels anytime soon. High FOV is vaporware. For the narrow use case of PCVR gaming, everything about the frame looks best in class except the panels.
I want a headset that's>wireless>works with my pc but also standalone>doesn't need any extra shitThe frame looks perfect for me
>>726007864The controllers though.They're gay Vive wands rather than the perfection Valve already had.
People who want a quest 3 but also want eye trackingSuch as myself
>>726007702Oh missed the higher resolution part.
I would just get a Quest 3 but fuck all the Meta shit
>>726007702They can't drive those panels with the Snapdragon Gen 8, it's only meant to drive displays up to 4K, the 4320x2160 total of the Frame is effectively the limit for it. It's part of the trade-off not using the XR chips, those have specific provisions for camera inputs (for mixed reality shit of course) and higher resolution displays.
>index controllers>perfectionevery input feels bad except the grip meme
Frame is the best Quest 3 advertisement.
>>726008107I never had any issues with them, plus you can let them go all the time to naturally rest your hands from the gripping action and there's finger tracking.
>>726007953Are you actually suggesting the Index controllers were good? They were fucking dogshit, these controllers are just a Meta knockoff, which means they'll probably be the best controllers Valve has ever designed, because Valve are completely fucking incompetent and fucked up both the Vive and Index with terrible design choices.
>>726008154Wow, just like the new controllers once you've paid your Gabe Tax for the straps.
>>726008154>gripping>finger trackingJust say you're a VRchat tranny, man. Normal people don't care about how well they let you grip a virtual cock or make gay hand signals.
>>726007953Anon what are you talking about. The vive wands are candle holders with touchpads and nothing has ever looked like them since because they were the most retarded controllers ever. I hope the people responsible for the vivewands are putting the fries in the bag. Probably why never have salt on them.
vive wand is comfy if you're just using a media app or something
>>726006561The eye resolution for a normal monitor is 60 PPD. This headset has 20 PPD. For a baseline MINIMUM, a headset would need 6000x6000 per eye, or 12000x6000 (12k) total resolution to match an average 20 year old setup. If you want lifelike resolution, you need to go up to 120-150 PPD, so we're talking 24-30k.
>>726008272Valve were responsible for the Vive wands. That's why they've got that massive touchpad on them, HTC wanted to use a thumbstick but Valve went "no no, touchpads are the future, nobody will want to move in VR!".
>>726008373I've never heard higher than 80 PPD. This stuff is really complicated and you get situations like a black pixel in a white background is hard to see but a white pixel in black background is easy. But neither of those are realistic images. Also a lot of have used a 27" 1080p monitor unless you're underage. It's not like we were dying.
>>725976260its a VR headset with eye tracking. havent seen that in a while. even uses it to know which part of the screen to render at high resolution
>>726008419Teleport is the worst fucking thing to ever happen to VR. If you get queasy it's your own fault for not maintaining a steady 120fps or a healthy gene pool.
tfw boughted index controllers + bsb2e this year for 1637hope frame is at least 1000
>>726008154The frame controllers still have capacitive finger tracking and knuckle straps. They even gave them TMR sticks so the controllers aren't a stick drift paper weight
>>725982630>this is a downgrade>or at least that's what i've heard and blindly believe, can anyone tell me why this is a downgrade? i don't really know i'm just a retard jumping on a bandwagon
>>725976260Just noticed the button layout. What the fuck were they thinking?
>>726008505>Also a lot of have used a 27" 1080p monitor unless you're underageAre you fucking retarded? Nobody used that shit, and if they did, they just moved it back a few inches so it was 24" equivalent. 60 PPD is 20/20 vision, that's the easiest way to describe it. In reality, most people under 60 have much better than 20/20 vision, while getting up to 150 PPD usually requires some corrective eyewear.
>>726008670I've not seen any knuckle straps but I'll be very happy if that's the case because they're amazing to have.
Has valve said anything about eye tracked vignette for VR to prevent sim sickness from vestibular conflict? I really think that would work. You could even make the vignette passthrough MR so people stay grounded in their real setting, too bad they fucked the passthrough.
>>726008829They were thinking "man, it'd be really fun if half the buttons were as torturous to press as we made the thumbsticks on our last turd!".Be thankful they didn't jam a touchpad on there, that must've taken a lot of restraint.
>>726008884Like everything, it's going to be one of those "well, we hope developers implement it for us".
>>726008925you are unironically a tranny, tranny
>>726008865It's ok zoomer the 27" 1440p monitor was the future you deserved
>>726008925>Be thankful they didn't jam a touchpad on there, that must've taken a lot of restraint.>*some specifications subject to change ahead of availabilitydon't tempt fate
>>726008978Buddy, my first LCD was a 19" 1280x1024, then I got a 21" 1680x1050. Then, like everyone else, I got a 24" 1080p panel. Who the fuck bought a 27" before 1440p?
>>726008829they want it to be used for real gamesnot this baby mode A/B on each hand in waggleslop
What the fuck is the touchpad even for? I'd rather have a scroll wheel than a touchpad if we're gonna add bells and whistles
>>726009319It's genuinely nice as a thumb-mouse, but I've never thought "wow I wish I had thumb-mouse!" I'm really impressed with the touchpads on the Steam Deck, still only use them to click things in menus. Don't need it in VR, I can point in VR just fine.
desu I bet these new controllers will feel like shit for 2D games as well. Why don't they just let us use dualshock 4 to navigate steamvr menu?
>>726009085The two buttons were the analogs for thumbs though. So what's pinching or doing a OK/white power sign going to be like? Pressing a mag release? I'm not sure this was a good thing. They probably should've brought in the quest pro thumb rest button that zuck dropped for the quest 3 because he's a fucking reptile
>>726009419You know I've never tried a normal controller in steam VR, does this not work already?
>>726009563nopeyou need waggle controller or button on headset to use the menu
>>726009651They need to make it where you can use a mouse too. Gabe said something about how VR users shouldn't be second class citizens then he did nothing.
>>726009085Retard
waggleslop era finally ending thank godrecline era begin
I know waggle is a meme but saying it unironically really outs posters as zoomers because any millennial or X'er would remember the massive disappointment that wiimote tracking wasn't 1:1. And now that we have 1:1, VR is equated to the wii, THAT is ironic.
>>725976260>Who is this headset for?It's for Valve. They want to push linux as viable gaming platform. They want a big payout from selling you Hollow Knight, Skyrim and Hades yet another time on Quest/Pico and mobile. Frame helps them achieve these goals. It's a testbed for improving their software stack and a lure for opensource developers that will build their ecosystem for them. More importantly, its a leverage against Meta/Google/Bytedance if they decide to step on Valves toes too much. Rest is secondary to this.
>>726010569and it's used for ERP and gun autism shooting galleriesmost people just don't like it that muchimmersive 3D view shouldn't be tied to that controller
>>725982630>Can anyone tell me the draw backs of the frame compared to the index?Maybe a bit worse in tracking but better in every other metric.
>>725976260I'd buy it if it's under 500$. I've wanted to try VR for a while now.
>>726010667>They want to push linux as viable gaming platform.Ok so question, how many PC handhelds on the market ship with steam OS? Do you users have to install it themselves?
>>726010691The problem is most people like you and me think we are "most people". So I like to sanity check with evidence.For half life alyx, I hear bemoaning about what you have to buy, or how sick somebody gets playing it, not that you play the game aiming a VR controller. And I don't even get the hostility towards 6dof games because you have an endless supply of flat games that never will end and you don't need to shit on anything to steer the industry towards flat games. Anyone who plays with waggle controls is going to agree with you that flat games should have 3D view modes. There's nothing mutually exclusive or zero sum about it.
>>726008107Grip to grip is the worst. It's unreliable for games that actually require gripping consistently. Dedicated grip button is way better for games.
>>726010868Lenovo has one, GPD ships win5 with bazzite. I've seen people installing linux on Rog Ally too, but they don't ship it iirc.
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>>726011434The American Base Stations run at 60Hz, can't use those 50Hz Bongland ones.
If it has inside out simulated bodytracking alongside the eye tracking, I know for a fact it's going to become the entry level headset for gooners in VRChat.
>>726011075it's annoying you need waggle controller just to operate the menueven though sim racing and flight sim are some of the most popular usesand there are lots of games without VR mode because they just ASSUME it has to be first person and aiming with hands, when it would be easier to keep gameplay the same but have a nice 3D viewlike resident evil, could easily be fixed classic views and controlling with dualshock 4. but we won't get that at all if they make a waggle VR mode. or if it's just a mod of the shoulder view and aiming with thumbstick moves the camera and makes the user sick
>>726011593>inside out simulated bodytrackingWhat's that?
>>726010569Solid revisionism. People laughed at the Wii because wagglan was a retarded gimmick. People laugh at VR because wagglan is STILL a retarded gimmick, it doesn't matter how accurate the wagglan is."B-But you can shoot guns!". I could do this in the arcade more than 30 years ago, with much more realistic features, like solenoid based recoil. "B-But head/body tracking!". Again, Police 9/11 had this (hell, the fucking Sega Activator had this), and TrackIR has had this for 20+ years at home.>>726011075I have never once played a "flat" game and thought "man, this would be better in VR". Because there isn't a single game that's true for. I've played a lot of VR games where I've thought "man, this would be more fun on a regular screen".
>>725976260i just hope they make enough of them, i want one on release and it'll suck if they sell out too quickly
>>725991405>for their $1219 mistake>imagine treating your entertainment as an investment
>>725983375the technology is great for porn, it's really cool what VR can do to make porn immersive in a way that other kinds of porn can'tthe issue is the content. No-one makes any decent VR porn, it's all normie trash with pozzed whores for the most part
>>726011657Virtual Desktop and Meta Quest 3 have it. It's software that creates a fake base station node skeleton and then simulates the movement of your VR torso, abdomen and legs based on the position of the headset and controllers. I'd say it's about 70% as good as genuine full body tracking, which is very good when you consider the most you're spending on this is like $30 for software, and it doesn't require setting any hardware up.>Avatar's upper body correctly turns in relation to your arms, significantly improves the movement of your avatar. In VRChat without any full body tracking, simulated or not, the avatar's torso is stiff as shit and always faces directly forward>Always somehow gets your walking and running gait correct and always leads with the correct foot, kinda fun to watch>Has preset transition animations for the legs when you crouch or sit downIt's significantly better than just having a headset + controllers and nothing else.
I'm running the P1-Gaming 24 Hours of the Nürburgring this weekend in rFactor 2, and a VR headset is an instant 10 seconds off my laptime.if you don't see the point you don't game hard enough for it to matterend of story
>>726011691Beat Saber is the most wagglan you can have, and it's great at what it is.
>>726011917>and a VR headset is an instant 10 seconds off my laptime.Are you too stupid for triples or something?
>>726011965i have triplesvr is 10 seconds faster than THAT
>>726011894At this point won't you just drop 100 or so bucks on Slime trackers or something? If you're dedicated vr gooner, seems like logical solution.
>>726011994They don't ship to where I live.
>>726011958True, it's one of the best designed games for VR. You're using lightsabers, so it doesn't matter that the blocks have no weight, the tracking is good enough you can flail around like a retard, the forward motion makes it very easy to look at.But it's just not very interesting as a rhythm game. I'd much rather play IIDX.>>726011991Post your rig.
do you think the frame will at least track the torso direction?that's one thing that annoys me about VR, is not having movement direction tied to your torso so you can look side to side without affecting movement
>>726012081Doubtful. The passthrough cameras technically probably could, but I doubt Valve will ever implement torso oriented motion, nobody seems to understand locomotion so you're forced to use hand oriented junk. Maybe there will be a third party application that does it for you, costs 30 bucks, and stops working after 6 months when SteamVR gets a new update.
>>726008865>27" 1080p monitor>Are you fucking retarded? Nobody used that shitI'm literally using one right now.And my current laptop is 11 inches 1333x768
>>726012059Just assemble yourself. Shit is basically controllers+battery in a case, single weekend project tops.
>>726012289You have posted alien calligraphy to me. I am not technically minded.
>>726012072>But it's just not very interesting as a rhythm game. I'd much rather play IIDX.They're very different games, dance games would be a better comparison, but even then not really. In Beat Saber timing doesn't matter for scoring. You need to aim to the center of the notes instead. Doing that consistently requires good timing as well, but it's more about swing precision than timing.IIDX is also good, even if I think it gets quite samey with RANDOM.
>>726011630>it's annoying you need waggle controller just to operate the menu even though sim racing and flight sim are some of the most popular usesI feel like hand tracking neatly solves this.>>726011691The Wii was bad, because it didn't include any rebinding and multiplats never put any effort into their control schemes. Dual analog controls are a much worse gimmick than wagglan, but it is all that normalfags know.
>>726011494you're retarded. 50hz/60hz thing was CRT TVs and USA had 50hz
>>726012520your thinking of japanese flashlights
>>726012398Yeah, DDR for your hands is a more apt comparison. I guess my issue is that we already have a lot of more physical rhythm games to choose from when it comes to your hands, and I'd prefer to play pretty much all of those. Even if I wanted to wave my arms around, drums are more fun.
>>726011917I've never even tried running on a flat screen for sim racing. blegh don't see the point.
>>726012553japanese flashlights had a modulated strobing flicker which went from 80hz to 200hz
>>726012642>"Brack Furame Insution".
>>726012698
>>726012598It's good that we have choices. What I don't like with VSRG-type games other than Popn is that there's no "impossible patterns", i.e. your hands/feet can't do them easily. They end up being a flood of notes. DDR, PUI, Popn, Beat Saber have better chart expression since there's an intended path for you to take.
>>725980674What are you basing your figures on? There's only like $400 worth of parts in this thing at most. $600 is greed tier but people like you and shitty youtubers seem to be trying to gaslight people into thinking this thing is worth more than it is.
>>726012072"""rigs""" are for faggot larpers and other non-gamers who buy sim gear for e-pointsi have a thrustmaster t300 with t3pa and th8a clamped to a 2009 ikea adjustable-height modular L-desk, central 24" and outboard 21" 165 hz displays on table clamp arms (all walmart store brand), a samsung odyssey+ headset and an evga 2080 with overclocked ryzen 5700 both with water cooling. i have been playing racing sims since before FFB wheels even existed.
>>726012903>camera with arms and steering wheel visiblewow what a faggot
>>726012903so you did your best to make a sim rig from ikea
>>726012804See, that's what I like about those games, it becomes about technical skill rather than pattern memorisation. >>726012903>20 inch screensAh, I see your problem. My triples are 40" each.>i have been playing racing sims since before FFB wheels even existed.So you're over 40, and you can only afford a budget wheel and cheap pedals? I'm not even big into sim racing and even I have a DD wheel and load cell pedals, man.
>>726011593>If it has inside out simulated bodytracking alongside the eye trackingoh no...
>>726011691>People laughed at the Wiizoom zoom zoom
>>726012965typical non-gamer casual faggot opinionhaving the wheel visible is an absolute necessity when you play multiple kinds of racing games because it allows you to make sure the steering wheel lock didn't get changed by mistake. rfactor2 for example will set your wheel's steering lock in the os driver while assetto corsa and iracing will not, so if you go between games having the wheel visible is an immediate indicator that everything is fine and/or you need to leave the game to change the steering lock since it cannot be done while in the game.arms are an aesthetic choice, but only no-apple people hide the wheel
>>726011691which is why you are in a flat game thread instead of here
>>726013186In VR yes. Not when you're playing on a flat monitor
>>726013186*switches to other camera for a moment*wow, that was hard. such a hardcore gamer (who is 10+s off pace lmao)
>>726013061>it becomes about technical skill rather than pattern memorisation.You can sightread them just fine, the movements are just more varied due to some implied rules on what are the next possible moves you can do. Basically there's restrictions on what the next note can be based on your hand/leg positions. You can't move them through each other after all unless the charter wanted you to trip or clap.
>>726013061you can't buy skill, retard>>726013039it's a gaming computer with a steering wheel where a keyboard would normally go. it's not a "rig", those are for compulsive buying disorder-afflicted morons like the poster i quoted before you
>>726012834The subsidized quest 3, go look at the tear down of that thing. It has things like color passthrough and time of flight sensor, but the audio and chassis design, facial interface material, anything they could save money on they went with the minimum. It's still a fake headstrap like the quest 2. I look at the valve headset and I wished they used a cheaper looking finish and less pieces.
>>726013268*uses the .00001 sec you took to press the view change key to teleport in front of u*nothin personnell kid
>>726011691>I have never once played a "flat" game and thought "man, this would be better in VR".I'm the other way around. I play flat games and wish there was a VR version.
>>726013352>it's a gaming computerbarely >it's not a "rig" I can see that
>>726013419Every walking sim would benefit from being VR.
I played Halo CE VR and then booted it up in flat mode to test something and it was like the mobile version of the game now. And I have a 42" oled.
>>726013502halo ce vr is better than having actual sex with real live women and i am not exaggerating in the slightest
Might be the first headset I buy, I just want to jork it to hentai games without a billion cables and lighthouse camera towers filming me.I know a few people who own headsets already and I'm pretty sure they bought theirs for jorking too and I don't believe anyone who says it's because they want to get immersed in shoot game or whatever.
>>726013483I want Dead Space and Tomb Raider
For PCVR gaming, controllerless handtracking isn't a big deal. It's nice. It keeps immersion when you fuck with controllers. But the real problem is lack of progress on body tracking. Things would be so good if we didn't need those IK bodies and it's so necessary to make you feel like you are really there. I'm surprised valve didn't push into that.
>>726013569Jerking off in VR is tedious, and the available content is very mediocre. I totally get why you'd think it would be fun, but it just isn't.It really depends on the kind of content you consume, though. If you want to play koikatsu all day maybe you'll enjoy it.
>>726013698>I'm surprised valve didn't push into that.Body tracking has somewhat tainted image I guess.
>get used Quest 2>left controller has crippling stick driftWhy do all manufacturers (except Valve) do this? I checked, and replacing the part is not easy. They made reaching the stick assembly as difficult as humanly possible.
>>726013472you don't exactly need a whole lot of power to play games that all came out between 2014 and 2003people who buy massive buttfuckingly expensive machines to play fucking iracing or ac are the biggest fucking tards of them all. there's no point in buying fancy ass wheels either because the games you're playing are at minimum a decade old. simrigs are to vidya what audiophile shit is to hifi: a trap for midwits at the peak of mount stupid.
>>726013742I want a game where I can climb into the asshole of a giant anime woman and explore it like the Nutty Putty cave.
>>726013851I think index had potentiometers too. Also index's stick button would break and it's so common that developers have to be warry of using stick buttons in VR. I can't remember, but some index owner will race to the scene to explain shortly.
>>726013874technically you can do this in VAM right now
>>725991158No way man, bluetooth latency is totally fucked, especially on Windows which doesn't do any attempt to sync video with audio latency -- not that that's possible to do on any platform when it comes to video games.
>>726013742Valve really backstabbed gooners with lack of handtracking, combined with eye tracking and IR emitters for dark rooms the frame would've been perfect
>>726014017Audio output latency is fine. Bluetooth is only bad for input devices. The lag on mouse input is noticeable.
>>726014149no it isn't. lol.
>>726009419As someone who very much enjoys the steam deck layout I'm hoping valve made it so the steam controller works with their VR headset day one on launch since their controller is basically just a deck minus the screen. If not day one I hope it's patched in over time.
>>726013853>you don't exactly need a whole lot of power to play games that all came out between 2014 and 2003I don't play games from that era at all. >people who buy massive buttfuckingly expensive machines to play fucking iracing or ac are the biggest fucking tards of them all. there's no point in buying fancy ass wheels either because the games you're playing are at minimum a decade old. simrigs are to vidya what audiophile shit is to hifi: a trap for midwits at the peak of mount stupid.You know we can tell you're poor as fuck and that entire paragraph is cope because it's out of your price range. You're like some indian villager crying about people with nice sports cars and huge homes with working toilets.
>>725987268>less fov>WtfThat's not hard to understandfresnel lenses can do that much more easily than pancake lenses since they're diffractive, however at the edges of the FOV you will have insane chromatic aberrationalong with the other disadvantages of fresnel lenses
>>726014306>I don't play games from that era at all.so you don't play a single sim game. got it. thanks for your capitulation.by the way what do you use 40 inch triples for if not for racing games? furry porn?
>>726014402I play Dirt Rally 2, GT7, AMS2, LMU all in VR. >40" tripplesI don't have triples. I play 100% in VR. I have a 43" monitor connected for windows set up etc but I don't race on it as it's too far away.
>>726013853My man, I have used my DD wheel to play fucking Ridge Racer and had way more fun than with a belt driven wheel with a geared down motor. My "simrig" is 80 bucks worth of bolted together unistrut.>>726014402I'm the guy with 40 inch monitors, I do more flight sim stuff.
For people that want it to be a monitor replacement, I have a question...Why?Is normal monitor not good enough?If you want to play on a couch, is TV not good enough?Or is a projector not good enough?Why would you need to use VR as a monitor?Are you just planning to use it to be as big as a cinema screen?
>>726014803>Why?It's easier to justify the purchase.
>>726014803does anyone genuinely use VR to play games in cinema mode?
>>726014803They probably live in shoeboxes and want to do things like lie down to jerk off without having to mount another screen above their bed.These people tend to just be retards who don't understand that "4k" over a wide visual field is nothing close to an actual 4k monitor, which would require you to have a 12k headset to approximate.
>>726014803it's cheaper to get VRdon't want huge monitors cluttering things upI want to recline, and even lie on my authentic japanese futon and have a monitor above me if I want
>>726014947>it's cheaper to get VRVR right now is 720p level, you could buy a few 720p screens for under 50 bucks each. Let's say you have 10 places you want to jerk off and you're too stupid for a monitor arm, then maybe VR starts to make some sense.
Considering a Quest 3 is like $650 bucks in my country for some reason, the frame seems like it could be a decent alternative. I still don't want to pay over $300 for a decent VR headset, but I'm not sure that is ever gonna happen at this point. At least where I live.
>>726015032yeah lemme place 10 monitors around my roomyou are so much smarter than me
>>726015064>Considering a Quest 3 is like $650 bucks in my country for some reasonDoes that not also mean the Frame will be also more expensive than the official price?
>>726014803My living space is a 2.5 square foot room so taking out the monitor really opens up the space.
>>726015032that resolution is closer to 480p a Pimax Crystal is about 1080p a Crystal Super is about 1440p
>>726014498ok so you do play 10+ year old shit that runs on a toaster>dirt rally 2codies ego engine shovelware slop with arcade sideforce>GT7snoy console trash> AMS2which is literally just brazilian repackaged Project CARS>LMUwhich is literally just rfactor 2 with reshade and ui modnone of these games need a new gpu or indeed much power at all to play, and one is a consolepleb car-collectathon fake sim. you are a retard and probably 30 seconds off pace at best don't @ me.
>>726015136Undoubtedly. But Valve mostly does direct to consumer as far as I'm aware so the markup probably won't be as insane. For reference a Deck is only like $35 bucks more.
this guy seems so insecure calling everyone retard and coping about his poverty setupVR uses a lot more pixels than regular games since it's high resolution in two eyesI'm glad I'm not using 10 year old crap to play VR
>>726015484>none of these games need a new gpuall of those games bring my 5090 to its knees in VR. You have no idea about anything. Just poor coping
>>726015559I doubt it's going to be cheaper than $650, that's before the markup.
>>726014756>My man, I have used my DD wheel to play fucking Ridge Racer and had way more fun than with a belt driven wheel with a geared down motor.idk fun to me is less jerking off about the hardware and more about playing the game. if you are shit at a game with a ching chong px120 aliexpress special you will be shit at a game with the thrustmaster wristsnapper 9990 and 8 dof full motion rig that can shake you unconscious. you can never buy skill.
>>726015187Your numbers are off. Super is 4k per eye, with 127 HFOV. Due to a 80% binocular overlap (105 degrees) that's a 4800px H resolution, which gives you a PPD of about 37.2k per eye, which is what the Frame is, gives you a PPD of about 20, which is half. Half of 1440p is 720p. Index is 480p.
>>726015647>idk fun to me is less jerking off about the hardware and more about playing the game.yet you're the one who keeps on sperging out about other peoples hardware.
>>726015603>all of those games bring my 5090 to its knees in VRyour computer is just shit or you suck at running it i play lmu on my 2080 just fine, dirt rally is ancient shit made for the cv1 and ams2 would unironically run in vr on a fucking rpi.
>>726015651got grok to calculate ppd to nearest monitor size/resolutions
>>726015765I have an 8k VR headset not a Index
>>725992318might be because the quest 3 still uses bt 5.2, frame is on 5.3 so audio latency/quality should be better. Although I'm a little surprised the frame isn't using 5.4
>>726015637Oh yeah, should have mentioned this is all predicated around it being priced around the same as a Quest 3. Which is unlikely considering the cost of the Index and Deck.
>>726015647You can say this as much as you like, I'm not arguing against it. But what you can buy is fun, and a better wheel and better pedals are more fun. I used RR as an example because even the most basic titles without FFB are still more fun with a smoother centering force. Are you going to improve your laptimes with a DD wheel? Probably not. Load cell pedals, you'll probably shave off a bit. >>726015775Grok is mentally ill, those numbers have no basis in reality.
>>726015845>Grok is mentally illshould blend in quite well here
>>726015720>yet you're the one who keeps on sperging out about other peoples hardware.because racing simrig fags think money spent = skill when it's really the opposite like the one massive retard who needs a 5090 to play decade old repackaged sim sloppa at 120 fps
>>726016026You're sperging out about hardware again and inventing arguments in your head. Nobody in this thread has mentioned anything about skill. Why are all you poors insufferable cunts about what other people have?
>having to buy some stupid little applefag DAC to plug in audiohate nu hardware like this
>>726016269get a corsair headset. they're usb and will plug right in
>>726015845>and a better wheel and better pedals are more funnahwinning is fun"a better" wheel and pedals may make winning more consistent but it cannot guarantee victory. better is also relative because it doesn't matter if you have a 200 dollar or a 2000 dollar wheel, if you are playing the same game both wheels get the exact same ffb, the 2000 dollar wheel might be stronger technically but that's not always correct or even comfortable depending on the type of driving you're doing. on top of that unless you are buying thrustmaster or logitech there is no guarantee even that the wheel will even work correctly with the game you want to play.
>>725976948Frame will probably be better just because it has pancake lenses instead of the fresnels. Even if everything else was the same that would make it a lot better
>>726016165if you're so happy with your expensive """"rig"""" why are you so pissy about what i think? i think you're an idiot who can't put a gt3 car around the burgerkingring faster than 9 minutes and you think i'm what....frugal?pfffthahahahaha
>>726016379how do you know what expensive kit is like if you just have a 2080 and t300?
>>725978675I currently have an index and I would say I would pay around $600 for the frame
>>726016474I'm responding to your screeching. Your jealous thrashing about is somewhat amusing. >I have a shit rig and I can go around a video game fasterso what? I could probably go around faster with an xbox controller but where's the run in that?
>>726016476because i have extensive experience in simracing and have this equipment because it's reliable and works and doesn't need upgrading because the games have not changed in 15 years
>>726016606and you're assuming other people don't?
>>726016572post your bridge to gantry time then andrea decesaris
>>726016606I went from a T300rs with load cell pedals to a DD wheel and at first I didn't understand the fuss of DD but now I've got used to the DD I'd never go back to the belt drive kit.
>>726016673anyone with a "rig" is certifiably retarded and has no clue what he is talking about
>>726016695I'm not interested in a big dick competition with you. I don't play race sims to do fast lap times. I like to race online and with ai. I like the simulation of the driving, not the competition aspect of it
>>726016763I'm sure your old ikea desk it the ultimate stable platform for sim racing. Everyone else just has it all wrong.
>>726016738i wouldn't go back to 60hz monitors or brushed-motor powertools either but the dd isn't making you drive any better
>>726016896but it feels better. it's faster. has better force feedback. Feels more realistic. I'm not trying to sell you a DD wheel. I don't care what you use. Why do you care what I use?
I can probably buy both, but I'm having a hard time deciding if I want a Steam Machine or a Frame.I feel like it would be a little irresponsible to buy both.>But why would youI built my computer like 10 years ago.
>>726016379>if you are playing the same game both wheels get the exact same ffb,That's not how it works. This is like saying that there's no difference between playing a game at 240p or 4k, because either way you get the story and can see the enemies.My DD wheel was 300 bucks, by the way. It's a custom setup using an old Argon motor controller and some third party open source drivers, and it's worked perfectly on every racing game I've ever thrown at it. Well, aside from stuff like NFS that used an older spec, but that isn't even supported by big brand wheels.
>>726017107>I built my computer like 10 years ago.Machine is probably better pick. You still need a decent PC for Frame if you want to use it as PCVR.
stop replying to the t300 turbo faggot. he's party of the aussie schizo shitheads that haunt /ovg/. i don't know why he's escaped containment.
>>726017397Yeah, but I also kinda want to sit on my couch and play crash bandicoot in virtual hawaii and I feel like the Steam Frame could handle that.
>>726016957> has better force feedbackno it doesn'tit's stronger, it's not better. the game's ffb code doesn't change just because of the wheel. you can't unlock forces that aren't there. it's not like buying a new monitor or gpu and being able to run at higher resolutions. everything is capped at usb's maximum polling rate of 1000 hz if it's not capped to the game's framerate and yes even sim games like lmu, beamng, and ac cap their ffb to the framerate.expensive sim wheels are a complete and total scam.a 400 dollar thrustmaster t300 and a 1200 dollar moza r12 dd have the exact. same. ffb. the difference is that the thrustmaster is compatible with every single racing game ever made and can be installed on windows 98 while the moza has a compatibility list that stops at forza horizon 5
>>726017448shut the fuck up pocket janny nigger i can do whatever the fuck i wantwhy don't you share with the class how you got chased off of /o/ for not owning a car
>>726017521You do not understand resolution, retard. Yes, motors have resolution. DD can be stronger, sure, but it's also far more precise than a stepped down belt. The code doesn't change, but the wheels ability to interpret it correctly does, because there are fewer limitations with direct drive.
>>726017521 >my rubber belt vibrating 4nm wheel which overheats and loses all FFB is as good as a 10nm+ direct motor vibrating which can go to audio rate haptics lol >a 400 dollar thrustmaster t300 and a 1200 dollar moza r12 dd have the exact. same. ffb.clueless laa laa land. it receives the same signal. one can take advantage of that signal and the other can't. >it can be installed on win98holy shit. just why?
>>726017764don't you have some shrimps to put the barby, moight? maybe try wrestling an alligator from the inside. i own a car, but you'll always be australian.
>>725992262thisSteam Frame will be everyones "babbie first headset"
>>726017521post a photo of your sim rig
>>726018001People were also saying this about Index.
>>726017891don't waste your time, you're arguing with a legitimate, known and documented retard from /o/
>>726018125i don't believe that one secondshit is 1kg heavy and it requires lighthouses and its 1000$
>>725976260Is there no way to use this shit tethered?
>>725976260I will definitely buy one. Looking to get into VR machines and valve hardware will support games on their platform better than meta cuck 3 ever could
>>726018186How much do you think Frame is going to cost lmao?
>>725976260So I want to get a vr headset was thinking of waiting for black Friday and nab a quest 3 is it worth it to wait for the steam one?
>>726018156every day is full of arguing with retards. if I stopped replying to retards I'd have nobody to talk to lol
>>726015845>grok is mentally illOkay Mr. Altman
>>726017331>This is like saying that there's no difference between playing a game at 240p or 4kok but in this analogy you are trying to argue that playing mario kart on the SNES upscaled to 4k (and playing 1000+ dollars for the privilege) is for some reason better than playing the same game at its original native resolution.the games have fundamentally not improved in decades. the ffb code has not improved in decades. most of that shit is still patented by immersion corp and needs to be licensed which makes it nearly impossible for anyone to undercut tm or logi. moza does but at the cost of game compatibility.buying DD wheels would be smart if the games were at all new but they're not, everything even remotely popular today either literally is or is based on some ancient simulation engine designed in the late '90s for computers with single cores. the only reason you need more than 2010s level of computing power to play lmu at 120 fps for your vr headset is because the rest of the computer has gotten so bloated and dysfunctional you NEED a 5090, 32 gb of ram and 8 ghz. the wheel tech and game engines have not evolved linearly with computing hardware. you are not getting better ffb out of fucking gmotor and iracing no matter how many dollars in chinese scooter motors you throw at it.
>>726018403>you are not getting better ffbYes I am. And I don't play iRacing. Have you ever considered that the other people calling you a retard are correct?
>>726018362that poster is a retard we chased out basically anyone who complains about /ovg/ or /o/ is some dumbass redditor newfag who got bodied by the regulars and ran awaythey don't like being told their stupidass aliexpress granny scooter powered waggle wheel was a dumb purchase and they are slow and need to get gud
>>726018403you had better be using the cheapest audio on earth for the very same argument or you're a hypocritical retard.
>>726018536>Yes I amno you're not>Have you ever considered that the other people calling you a retard are correct?if they were correct then they wouldn't be impotently calling me a retard for being correct
>>726018610I genuinely don't care about your cross board feuds.
>>726018673I can 100% guaranty you that if you had a go on my sim rig in VR you would first piss your pants, and then move to a first world country and try and find employment in order to buy one
>>726018610you didn't chase anyone out, you dumbass. you get constantly shit on in /ovg/ and rightfully so.
>>726018681and you have mistaken me for someone who gives a fuck what you think
>>726018757so stop telling me about your ovg drama then you daft twat
>>726018741son i have done the Nürburgring 24h 4 times in vryour extruded aluminum autism hugbox sponsored by amazon prime isn't shit to me
>>726018892that's awesome. nobody else has every played that track in VR.
>>726018862you have mistaken me for someone who gives a fuck what you wantnow get back in the tard smasher and show me a sub 8:30 on the ring at least
>>726018974https://youtu.be/XWyvB6L-pKU6:20 in LMP1
>>726018357no bend over the the zucc
>>726018928no i mean i have actually raced the real 24 hour event 4 timesone year we even got legitimate sponsorship from Tenga
>>725982630Frame has higher MPRT (more motion blur) than Index, although not by a large amount.
>>726019064in a gt3 car retardthey don't race lmps at the burg
>>726019190>no i mean i have actually raced the real 24 hour event 4 times>son i have done the Nürburgring 24h 4 times in vr>in VR>VR shut up retard
>>7260193328:30 in a gt3 is nothing you shitter, i've put in less than that in a 370z. god being you must fucking suck.
>>725976260>Who is this headset for?I have been interested in VR for a long time, but the seemingly abysmal state of VR on Linux has made me hesitant. Considering Valve is marketing this to be used together with their new Steam machine, I'm hoping it will have decent Linux support. If it turns out that it does, I'm definitely interested on that basis alone.
>>726019332>that's not good enough lol if I can do LMP1 I can do the easy to drive GT3s don't you think?
>>726019529the headset itself also runs Linux
>>726019627it's a troon factory
>>726019645Are you mentally unwell? What the fuck did you mean by that bro?
>>726019760>linux used by troons>headset is linux>normal people wear headset and become troonsit's valves secret agenda. they actually want to sell pink and blue striped socks and estrogen pills
>>726019825Honestly after using Zucc OS that constantly breaks dev mode and doesn't show my games in list for some reason (I still can launch some of them in recent list) anything would be better than that. I'm so tired of dealing with meta shit at this point
>>726019064>tfw will never suck off anon while he does his autistic brum brum racing
>>726019980 100% understandable. I cancelled my Oculus CV1 preoder and bought a Vive when I heard about the Facebook buyout.
>>725976260>Who is this headset for?me, vr porn is pretty good and my oculus go is starting to die
>>726019064>6:20 with trafficthat's hot. i didn't even see the setup at first i'm mad jealous.
>>726005391I don't use passtrought and had Q2 with bnw as well. Well only for quick look around where I am.Why do people use it? and need color camera?That flat games in VR i cant see why color is needed, it will be distracting at best.
>>726019627Yes, but that's less interesting. If I get one, I would mostly be interested in streaming from my computer.
>>725976260Nobody buys Valve products. They have 2 million drones but no ability to crack the mainstream. Meta Quest sold over 25 million because they were selling at a loss or break even
>>726012289why would you need more trackers than hands/head?
anon stop being homosexuals for a second and recommend what games run good with UEVR
>>726019473https://p1-gaming.de/threads/p1-24h-of-nordschleife-2025.128/no u shut up retardthis is the real dealyou even get on german tv>>726019527no shit dumbass because he can't do it>>726019532it's not just not good enough it's fake, you picked a fast car to make it seem impressive. a gt3 car is much harder to drive quickly.of course you can do "6 minutes" a REAL Porsche 919 can do it in 5. you are fucking S L O W.
>>726019825Troons also use windows. Troons also breathe air. You going to stop breathing air bro?
>>726020250Valve also sell their products at break even, they don't need the money while Facebook eventually does which pollutes the product with gross future oriented money hooks.
>>726020250Steam Deck sold exceptionally well, considering it was poorly advertised and that it's unavailable in any physical store.
>>726020150>that's hot.no it's not he's an entire minute off pace
>>726020401>Steam Deck sold exceptionally wellDeluded drone. It sold 4 million. This is less than the Game Gear and about the same as the Wonder Swan. Valve have never produced successful hardware
>>726019527>i've put in less than that in a 370zdoubt
>>726014803it can serve as a big screen if you want. Complete with theater hall. Main attraction is getting into 3d environments with full enclosure. As some poster said before, using regular monitor feels like looking into the game through a tiny little window after VR for desktop work its also a plus you can make an ass ton of screens to keep separate tabs open. or be inside the game, like elite dangerous, and have a pinned desktop with useful third party applications open like INARA shipyard
>>726020250My quest was like $800 of hardware for $200. Zuccy personally gifted $600 of dumb facebook boomer money. I like the index but that deal was crazy. I think if my facebook burner account "Victor Reeves" got banned I'd have been slightly mad, but it didn't.
>>726020279forever skies
>>726020628die mad plz thnx
>>726020627Wonderswans costed something like 40 bucks retail dude
>>726020279satisfactory. scorn. system shock remake. many more
>>726020627you think it's about hardware? it's about software and cross compatibility for Valve. They want to make a steam OS default os for any gaming oriented device.>extremely optimized>almost non existent overhead>steam client with library for PC, VR, android, linux, mac...Hardware is just to prove for manufacturers to use it. You will start seeing "steam machines" and "steam frames" from other manufacturers such as asus, razer etc very soon which will use Steam OS.Android with its google fuck ups and horizon os with its zucucking will not be able to compete.
>>726020356>you picked a fast car to make it seem impressive.I recorded the video a year ago and it had nothing to do with your retarded challenge.>gt3 is harder to drive No it isn't. It's a baby car which is easy and that's why everyone likes it.
>>725976260It’s not a premium headset. It’s a quest 3 that>has eye tracking>comes with a wifi dongle that supposedly supports flawless pc streaming>is “open” in that you can install third party stand alone applications on it>has steam on itOther than the eye tracking the specs aren’t any better than quest 3
>>726020360>you hoinh you stop breathing air bro?no. are you going to 41%?
>>726021694I'm all man, bitch. Also how did you fuck up quoting my post? Are you manually retyping my nonsense?
>>726019064That's a cool setup! Does it make you motion sick?
>>726021820I don't really suffer with VR sickness or anything. I'm used to motion now so don't really notice it much until I turn it off, which feels weird , like turning off the wheels FFB. I can still play it but my brain is saying something is missing and wrong.
>>726021810i touch type. I wasn't looking at the screen lol
>>726022536but why not, you know, ctrl c ctrl v? Also touch typing means you look at the screen, not at your keyboard.
>>726022580I wasn't looking at the keyboard either. I was looking at my cat doing retarded shit
>>726022494Interesting. Kind of inverse motion sickness.
>>726022682it's like VR when the image stops tracking your head movement and locks in place. That's what it feels like with motion off. If you get a chance to add motion, do it. even a cheap one. It's amazing in VR. It really gives you that final % of immersion.
>>726022864True, considering motion sickness comes from your brain being angry that your vision isn't matching what your balance is telling you, it might make sense that some movement actually helps with motion sickness. I haven't seriously played simulators in a long time, loved flight sims as a teen, so I don't think that kind of gear investment is really for me.
>>726006641Don't worry pal!Valve is selling an "Ergonomic Kit" as an upcharge! It has palm straps for the controller and a strap that goes over the top of the headset.
>>726006641these have finger tracking though
>>726023485Cool, saves me from having to look for aftermarket ones
>>726020250>normalfags don't buy Valve productsyet another selling point
>>725982630Frame has worse audio, tracking, and lacks display port. It makes up for it in weight, lenses, displays, wireless (pc and standalone), customization, drift proof controllers, and technically a wider library as you have access to sideloaded modded Quest apks.The Steam Frame is better but not better in every aspect.
>>725976260It's primarily theory 1.It's an upgrade for people on Quest 2 that have reservations buying another Zuck box, and a sidegrade to those already on Quest 3.
>>725976260I'm in category 1.I just don't have the space for an Index or anything like that, but I was always interested in VR, so this seems like the best option.For the price, 500-600 € would be my guess, anything more and I would have to think really hard if I want to buy it.
>>725989059>source: feels
>>725976260I fall into category 1 personally
>>725983375Only good vr porn are javs. But yeah if you dont mind nipsqueak and censorship, its great.
>>726004272>>726004628>>726004272i didn't mean I want my VR headset to replace my monitor, it should be like a monitor.meaning it should not be locked down into an "app ecosystem" or require an account to use or anything like that. the headset should be like how i can just plug in a monitor and use it in any way i want.
>>726029076Frame should do what you want, but the resolution is not high enough to make it an enjoyable experience.
>>726008829people want a real controller to play real games
>>726030002I just want to use an xbox controller
>>725976260im both 1 and 2
>>726011691based
>>725976260>quest 3 but don't like getting zuckedIt's this. Much easier for a normgroid to use for porn without faceberg tracking.
>>726014803most people can't afford the room that a 90" oled goes in
>>726020250pls sony make a vr3.. comeon...
>>725976260>Theory 1) People who want a quest 3 but don't like getting zucked and want a PC OSliterally me
>>726030051you can but first fumble around and look for vr wand to navigate menus
>>726030239but he's so interested in your fap data
>>726003712noMy time is valuable. I will ask questions and (you) will answer themnow, I'm used to a 130 FOV, but no eye tracking. Will the 110 FOV be acceptable with eye tracking? Or will I notice a difference?
>>726020196The q2 didnt even have 3d passthrough, it was a 2d screen stretched out. With the q3 passthrough the only issue is the camera quality, otherwise you can see your room normally.
>>726029830i've tested Quest and it has the same resolution. i want it higher as well but it's an okay resolution and refreshrate. it was the first time i did not get seasick from VR when not using teleport.when streaming from a computer you should be able to use anti-aliasing and that will make the resolution look better.if this thing is successful i expect the next iteration to have 4K for each eye, or maybe they will sell a more expensive model for it. battery life might be a higher concern than price.
>>725976260>but who is it for? who is it for??Why does it matter? It clearly isn't for you if you have to keep asking this so why not move on to something less pointless
>>726031562Going from 130->110 is very noticable yes. My 9 year old rift CV1 has a fov of 105.Eye tracking has nothing to do with how fov is perceived.
>>725976260>better specsI don't need the headset to have specs that will burn my face off, my PC already has those
>>725976260Why do you need color passthrough as if anyone actually wears these things casually around the house every dayThe vision that Facebook was trying to sell was never going to be real
>>726014803Any size and distance and quantity I want because displays aren't physical things. It's just more economic if you want more display. But what I would be more interested in is viewing stereo 3D content. I don't know how long it will be, but it will be seamless one day. Imagine scrolling through 4chan and seeing this image post in browser, except the image is 3d in browser. You didn't have to crank out some image viewer, 3d is normal and default. I also convert porn to 3D with nunif/iw3
>>726014803>>726014940Using a PC on my back really is a big deal for me. Not slouching in a chair takes effort and eventually you don't want to do it anymore. So you can switch to the bed and not ruin your posture.
>>726032287deep desktop on steam does thatbasically runs a depth estimation model in real time
>>726016198yeah but why is it 2.0 again
>>726018231you can tether power
>>726019202whats with motion blur autism?LIke I'm sitting in my room with natural sunlight coming through the window. When I wave my hand I see blur. It's not under my hand is under a strobing artificial light can I see it clearly, but then its choppy. Is there some difference between that and why people care about light persistence in VR screens.
>>726032974It's not until my hand is under*
>>726021452>It's a baby car which is easy and that's why everyone likes it.oh yes sure its a BABY car thats why they run them for 24 hours at the deadliest prepared racetrack on the planet and not LMPs...?it's a fun CATEGORY because the cars don't rely as much on downforce so the racing is more exciting and also there are tons of shitters in it irl which makes it entertaining to watch and play sims of. they should only make racing games about fia gt-class cars and nothing else. nothing else matters.
>>726020791no i don't think i will
>>726031587>The q2 didnt even have 3d passthrough, it was a 2d screen stretched out. The quest 2 has 3d passthrough, which is just the external view of your headset, do you mean to say it's a single screen panel instead of 2? Those two things aren't related.
>>726032097Yeah that's the point, the quest 3 is less pointless for most peopleBlack & white isn't the problem, it's that tracking cameras are low quality IR cameras. They are only clear enough to avoid obstacles. I don't expect to read my phone through a passthrough camera because even the AVP can barely do that, but working out some hiccup on your computer monitor is hard with IR passthrough. Even just typing steam and clicking the icon has to be done looking under the headset. White backgrounds completely blow out.
>>725987770>ar porn is fucking nuts thoughHow so?
>>726032179So the headset could be 240p and that's fine because your monitor isnt?
>>726034524AR porn is transparent background porn so it looks like the performer is in your room
>>726034852when does ar porn use your hand motion to sync to character hand motion
