Stop complaining.
Damn...
A new product should give me something i don't have yet
>>725981861>Yazan AldehayyatWhat is his ethnicity?
>>725981979many have said this
i direct anyone who thinks steam machine targets poor countries to check the list of countries steam deck is officially available in.
Question:Why do our modern games need "top-tier hardware" to begin with?
b-but the streamer I watch play games has a 5090
is he wrong doe? steam survey shows most pc 'gamers' own third-world toasters
>>725982007probably Georgian or Jordanian or something
>>725981861>Yazan
>/v/: Microsoft forcing devs to build around the Series S is bad>/v/: Gaben forcing devs to build around a 4060 is good
>>725981861redeem the steam machine sir
>>725982207It is going to be like the deck where they make the bare minimum effort to get verified and then break it with patches.
>>725982207why do you save pictures of kids on your computer?
>>725981861their first steam machine sold like 5 units. why will this one actually sell?
>>725981861>no!!! you DON'T know better than the b-billionaires!!! OR their companies...!!!yeah alright sure buddy
>>725982385steamy is bigger now than it was 10 years ago
>they are a company therefore they know betterJust like Ubisoft, I guess.
>>725982207the 4060 is goated
can haters make a PC with better performance for less money? can they prove it if they're so great?
>>725982342that's a picture of my 24 year old wife
>>725982385lol no.
>>725981861>better than 70%why are you guys so poor
>>725982090I dunno, current year AAA games are pure dogshit
>>725981861>>725982104Then why was their announcement video the most smug, reddit thing ever clearly aimed at a western, millenial, middle-class audience?If they are targeting people with poor rigs why wasn't it set in an eastern european or south american slum with gunshots going off or just anywhere in indiaEither the ad created and greenlit by the multibillion dollar company was a massive mistake because it wasn't targeting the stated group they wanted, or they dont know who the target audience for this thing is and are just making up excuses now. Either way they're full of shit
>>725982207Gabe standardizing AAA specs on the horizon of a massive collapse is good retard. Cant be a. Enthusiast if theres nogames
>>725982385Because this time it's an actual piece of hardware and not an OS slapped on a couple third party prebuilts, and they have a deck userbase that could see this as an upgrade, and that same deck infrastructure allows them to advertise its capabilities by slapping a "works on a steam machine" label on all the hot new games, and future games actively trying to optimize to get said label themselves
>>725981861Problem with these gaming PC replacements is that the hardware is already outdated a week after it’s announced. They don’t even get the benefit of targeted development like consoles from 6 years ago that are still getting games. What a silly idea yet they keep trying it
>>725982207Its significantly weaker than the 4060In facts its weaker than the 3060
>>725982563no because we don't know the prices yet, so it's impossible to make an equal PC for less moneyit's gonna be either of the two:>machine launches for 300-400$ and proves all haters to be clowns, ends up killing both xbox (tbf already dead) and playstation as a bonus, no, not killing, MURDERINGor>machine launches for 700-800$ and haters are proven correct
>>725982207devs not being forced to build around hardware constraints has caused performance and software quality to plummet in practice, so looking back, the idea that consoles were holding gaming back was naive and wrong. this is because people assumed that more power meant higher fidelity but the reality was if you give a developer more power, they will simply piss away all the gains doing less work for the same resultif games had to run at 30fps 800p native on a steam deck, 4k 144hz would be a common reality. instead a 5090 struggles to run ue5 slop at 60 and the stutters are unavoidable no matter what. frame gen and upscaling are just expected to be used to run the game at all. it's a nightmare
>>725982972If they apply the label like they do with the deck, it is worthless.
>>725983398correction: meant "equal or better" there in the first line
>>725982385because they didn't outsource this one to a bunch of OEMs and it can actually play video games
>>725981861He has a point.You always fill out steam surveys, that's what those are for.I dont even have a top of the line GPU anymore, I dont care, the best max graphics can give me these days looks the same as a game from 2015, but with better AA or lightning, which isnt even that big of a deal.
I boughtened a 5060
I am doing fine with my 4070ti Super. I was actually doing fine with my 3060ti but I got a new 4K TV and wanted to be able to run my PC to my TV as well.
>>725982007what kind of absolute retard even gives a shit?
>>725981861so it's for poor people?
Turdies also don't have enough money to buy a steambox either, let alone have the means to get it imported to their county.
>>725981979lol clearly most of you niggas dont have the power of the steam machine
>>725984135Its not retarded youre trying to control the discussion by saying the question shouldnt be answered. Which ironically means the question is worth answering despite your effort to shame.
>>725982104Thirdies are most of the gamers, yet most of the money come from firsties. I bet Steam Machine, like the deck, will not even be sold officially in any Third World Country.
>>725981861>Equal or better>It's equivalent to about 40-50% of users machines going by hardware surveysNice try Jew
>>725982385The first Steam Machines were released back when Wine was still meandering and Proton wasn't a thing. The old Debian-based SteamOS was dead on arrival because, without tinkering, it could only play Linux-native games, which were very rare back then. Many Windows games simply wouldn't run no matter how much you tinkered.Today, with Proton in the mature state it's in, you can play basically any game meant for Windows unless the devs actively sabotage for Linux users.Kinda baffling that Valve were somehow able to convince even Alienware to make a Steam Machine branded PC at the time.
>>725981861>they know better than the BILLIONAIRE companyThey sure do, an essential part of growing up is realizing everyone including CEOs, politicians, and so on, is fucking clueless and just winging it most of the time.
>>725985307The (non-existent) audience for these things has not changed. It’s a gimmick just like before and will be forgotten as soon as the redditors on this site are told to move onto something else.
>>725981861Even the poorest thirdies have gaming PCs now.
Even if you're in the first world,you have rent or a mortgage, food, utilities, and other expenses and don't have 5 grand to drop on a high end desktop. Well some people have parents paying for all their shit
>>725985983>this is who I argue on /v/ with
he didnt say that
>>725981861I'm in a first world country though
>>725985740It's still a decent computer. I imagine if it's cheap enough it will sell a ton to kids currently gaming on their dad's ancient office computer.
>>725985983comfy
>>725986125Why? Just buy a normal prebuilt that can literally play any game out of the box.These things still have the same problem: all of the negatives of a prebuilt and none of the positives of a console.
modern hardware is a memegame devs are told to intentionally make poorly organized games so nvidia can sell increasingly more expensive hardwareif your game doesn't run on a gtx1080, it's not worth playing
>>725984901>engineer justifying the product he's trying to produce>durr what shithole was this dude born in lmaoit's irrelevant, you're just tying to throw politics into a nonpolitical discussion
>>725984135/v/ is obsessed with ethnicity, nationality, and race.
>>725982007Jordan or Syria most likely. Yazan especially is a common name in that region.
>>725982207Unironically yes
>>725981861>70% of people at homeThese kind of statistics unnerved me for a while, even before the whole AI craze.Did they also mean bots? Like the ones on their trading markets.Or did they somehow manage to filter those out of their statistic polling.
>>725982207it's similar enough to the PS5's APU on paperhttps://technical.city/en/video/Playstation-5-GPU-vs-Radeon-RX-7600M
>>725985983That's not standard. You would know if you actually left the 10 mile radius of your birth place.
>>725986341>Why?Presumably this will be quite a bit cheaper than normal prebuilts. We don't know if it will be of course, but without a good value proposition, it doesn't really serve a purpose.>none of the positives of a console.I agree it's got the negatives of a prebuilt, but it does have some of the positives of a console. Steam Big Picture has improved a lot, most of the time you get a seamless console-like experience from it. From what I hear, you'll also be able to power these on via the controller unlike a regular desktop.
>>725986341>These things still have the same problem: all of the negatives of a prebuilt and none of the positives of a console.For starters, the steam machine isn't running windows 11, that's a huge positive to me. Fuck windows. Fuck jews, fuck niggers, fuck jeets, and fuck jannies.
>>725981861You won't sell your shit to any country where having an affordable gaming pc would be nice.
>>725986796how would they know what the bots are usingdon't they get their data from the voluntary polls that stream does yearly
The PS2 kept selling years after the launch of the PS3 in 3rd world country. It made almost 30million in sales after the launch of the PS3. If they're calling people complaining about the specs tone deaf and saying 3rd world people have worse machines it better be cheap like the PS2 in 2008 99.99 instead of 299 at launch cheap.
>>725981861twitter screencap must a banabble offense
>>725982007the best thing about this post is that this retard could've easily done a google and figured it out, he just really wanted to make it obvious he's a racist because that gets you upvotes on 4chan
He's prob right. They source hw specs from all valve users. They likely know the optimal gaming market to target.
>>725981861>equalThat’s really disingenuous to say 70% then say equal or better, change it to better and the % could be like 10%.
>>725982007Dysgenic ugly semiteLiteral subhuman
>>725982207PS5 is weaker than a 1060, that 3 generation ahead already.The only thing I'm worry about is the price.
>>725988807There are still people on ddr3 platforms out there who are still using hdd for their games, there was that hell divers dev talking about the reason the file size is big was because of hdd users.
>>725981861>niche groups in first-world countriesI wish that was the only group on PC
>>725989710should have gatekept harder, pinky
>>725981861those same poor people aren't going to be paying 800 bux for a shitty steam box either
>>725989805We're trying with GPU prices
>>725982808thirdies don't want to be reminded of their dismal existence they want to pretend they can be rich white people like us
Some people just don't need to upgrade their pc every year when their games work fine on their current setup.
>>725981861The only downgrade from by current build is going from 16 to 8 gigs of ram, everything else is an upgrade, is it still worth it?
>>725982207Well yeah, if devs are forced to make their games run on the gabecube I should be able to run them on my computer. I don't gain anything from them running on Xsex.
>>725990342Are you talking about vram or ram? If its vram then no.
>>725990342Do you mind upscaling from 720-1080p like consoles?That's what this is targeting
>>725990342it's 16 gb system ram and 8 gb vram.
>>725986341Because prebuilts are mystery meat shit that might not even pass QC properly but it's still shat out to the customer Tight and reliable mini pcs like this are the future of everything but the high end prebuiltsyou're sacrificing upgradeability for quality and reliability because instead of random chinesium you're using custom purpose built parts no one buying something like this is upgrading regardless
>>725981861valve does hardware surveys often so they know.
>>725981861Do you retards seriously need the best everything to play your indie visual novels?
>>725981861Lol watch how people switches up on mh wilds after this drops out of no where the game is good since people can run it
>>725990496>>725990508>>725990517Yeah its the vram, so it sounds like a good deal, it also serves as a good hopping off point so I don't need to upgrade to Win11
Man it seems there are people out there that think everyone out there has a a mid range - high range pc and they only play AAA games.>>725991073They will after they do this modhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOxLV2US4Ac
>>725982087Because developers are unskilled, unintellegent and arent given time to improve. They get given some engine and told to make it work, to make somethign that will sell enough. They days of making things to fit the hardware and get max performance are dead.Plus theyre not testing with older hardware, or if they are its just to see what they can call the min spec. New shiny shit runs faster or should do sothey dont have to care about making it run well, the shiny new gpu can compensate.
>>725981861I'm looking at the steam machine page now>powerful pc gamingObjectively false. Stop lying in advertising if you don't want people complaining.
>>725991415to 70+% of people it will be considered powerful pc gaming
>>725991415The people who are complain are the ones who this isnt for.
>>725991201>dis fixes eberyding!>still garbage framerate but now with high res textures
imagine being such a wage cuck that you have to go lie in an interview for your mastersimagine thinking "BILLIONAIRE companies" are infallible on the same day ubisoft are going up in flames for the same lying shit
>>725982207>anon finding out /v/ and the internet has low standards when it comes to sucking gaben cock
>>725990517>>725991196I wish they could have gone 12 and 12 or even 8 cpu and 16 gpu. 8gb on cpu ram is probably fine because it's not being windows with a bunch of backround apps running. The only game that would struggle is city builder type games and 8gb vram feels like it will be a bigger bottle neck going forward. I know it more than current gen consoles shared 16gb but still.
>>725989693Jesus, I didn't realize home consoles were THAT weak
>>725981861honestly the guy is right. They would know the statistics of the hardware everyone is using through Steam. Why would you idiots doubt their console won't sell? The enthusiasts who would pay $1500 US minimum on a PC are fewer than you think. They see the console market dying and it makes sense to monopolize on that crowd now and slowly convert them to PC.
>>72598186132x status? 3DO status? Jaguar status? Series x status? What's being "the strongest hardware" ever been worth in the console space?
>>725992015Pretty much, they just rely on upscaling which is the same thing the steam machine is doing.
>>725985983How is the second floor just made of dirt.
>>725985983Honestly, based
>>725986796Valve is the one company I am sure have proper statisticians in their employment. Not only that but they are the type of people to build their own in house programs to manage everything who are statisticians + programmers.
>>725981861Based
>>725981861Nintendo found this out already. Hardware pissing contests is for the birds
>>725988738>racistYou don't even know the correct form of wrongthink committed
>>725992216What I don't understand is the 16 gig ram since modern game developers are lazy and 32 seems to be little breathing room for their incompetence with the unreal engine.
>>725982207Yes, Moore's Law is Dead, even Prime 4 looks like a game for the current PlayStation and Xbox on a PS4-level tablet. This shit has hit a wall and it's time to stop its advancement.
>>725984135I want to know the answer now that you've made a fuss
>>725982207Problem? Anyone with eyes noticed Gr4ph1x$ stopped advancing 10 years ago
>>725992427The ram is upgardable so the reason for it is to hit a lower price point on launch and if someone wants to upgrade they can.
>>725992427>>725992543and Linux tends to stretch RAM further than Windows
>>725988738I thought he was going for a gundam reference. If he wanted to be racist, he could just do it himself.But good to know you're easily trolled.Pic related. It's yazan gable. The maddes lad of the grypps war.
>>725991526No. No it won't.
>>725984135Sadly, /v/ has been /vpol/ for about a decade now
>>725985983this nigga is just living on a mound of dirt in dirt land. what do they eat?
>>725982385Steam cult wasn't a thing then like it is nowDiscord becoming popular really changed the pc market for the worse
>>725992579There's nothing about linux that means you can do more with less memory. The amount of memory used is fixed by the amount of memory the program asks for. It is true that open source software developed for linux tends to use less memory but that is not something inherent in linux. That's just the software devs are being conservative. From what I understand, that's because linux doesn't handle running out of memory as well as windows does. Linux is certainly not so great that you can do the exact same thing in both windows and linux and linux will only need half the RAM windows does.
The tech influencer space has really messed up people's perception on pc gaming.
>>725981861I wasn't aware that money meant intelligence.
>>725981861>Enthusiasts think they know better than the billionaire companyI do indeed.
I don't understand this argument about the specs. It's clearly not made to replace your PC if you already have some $1000+ machine. It's a primarily a console replacement but doubles as a PC for normies who can't be bothered to build their own shit or spend fucktons of money. Its for the people that want to throw it next to their tv and play friendslop from their couch. Everyone has steam, but not everyone has an xbox or playstation. People don't want to buy a xbox/playstation/switch when those cost hundreds, not everyone you know has one, and you'd have to rebuy all the shit you already own on steam.
>>725995205How much does this cost?
>>725982207a fucking 1080 necks it lol why are people so bad at understanding nvidias retarded naming scheme?
>>725981861who gives a fuck what most people have?what matters is what the people have who are going to buy itif most of the market for your product has something that is better than your product then your product is shitsimple.if valve was trying to take over hp as a system seller to normies then that would be a different storybut they arentthey are selling to gamersconsole gamers who dont want to move from console and pc gamers who in all likelihood have a better pcso just like the original "steam machine" its going to floptheir vr will be as niche as evertheir controller will still be a joke.nothing ever happens.
>>725982562nvidia marketing is one hell of a drug
does the GabeCube have the same encoding block like what's in RNDA4? If I use this as a multimedia station then I'd want faster AV1 encode/decode
>>725992224>second flooranon thats a shack on the side of a mountain
>>725982207yest. 3060 chad
>>725982808>Then why was their announcement video the most smug, reddit thing ever clearly aimed at a western, millenial, middle-class audience?because that audience is at the top when it comes to being irresponsible with their money, that's why they had trannies on the ad, they would've had furries on if they could.
>>725992873wrong, steam was a cult and nothing but a cult then, is why the ouya failed. Nowadays steam is an actual power house with decades of proven compatibility and active user base.
>>725982207devs should legally be forced to develop on below average machines so it runs on more people's computers
>>725981861>people outside of niche groups in first-world countries don't have top-tier hardware.No fucking shit, we also won't be buying this Steam box thing because we are poor as fuck, literally all our computers are hobbled together from the cheapest components we can find, hand me downs, stolen parts, parts from old machines, we NEVER have enough money to buy a whole computer at once, we can't even afford old consoles, so if they're targeting us poor third worlders with this new product then good fucking luck.
>>725985983Why does it look so soulful compared to your average 1st world city apartment complex?
>>725981861I wonder if the 70% number (percentage of users your machine is better than) is mathematically determined to be the best specs to use for a new product?If you go too low, your specs will be too shit. If you too high, your costs will be too high. But how do you really know that 60% or 80% isn't a better number to strive for than 70%?
>>725981861I would say valve has A LOT of data about peoples hardware that they'd know exactly what theyre doingWhenever people look at the results of Steam hardware surveys people get surprised at how many people still play at 1080p or run underpowered machines
>>725985983Dude is poor but he bought wisely. Good on him.
>>725986796my guy they literally run hardware optional surveys like twice a year to see what people are running. If anyone has accurate numbers on what people are using, playing, and how they do it it's fucking them.
>>725981861no one but niche groups in first world countries will be able to afford it so that's a weird statement
>>725982707>why are you guys so poorMy country is run by niggers who think killing white farmers is the key to solving hunger and that stealing coal to sell on the black market before it reaches the power plants is a better economic model than having electricity for businesses, factories and homes for more than 6 hours a day.
>>725997309valve doesn't target 70% performance. they bought the chips amd had lying around.
>>725985983Have we reached peak dystopia yet?
>>725982207Valve wishes it was a 4060It's more like a 2060 it's a cut down rx7600
https://youtu.be/pgtjoqrmiGU>30% of people have 6 core CPUs>33% of people have GPUs with only 8GB of VRAM>53% use 1080p screens
>>725997537>Have we reached peak dystopia yet?We reached it a while ago, i've seen hobos with vr headsets jerking off in the street in Toronto.
I don't see what the fuss is about, people only buy consoles because they don't have to think, to them it's a magical box they place on the shelf and it produces flashing lights for them to unhinge their jaw at. It makes perfect sense to button up a prebuilt PC to the point where the consumer doesn't have to think so they can play games just like a console.>b-butNo, the average consumer is ACTUALLY that fucking stupid that is not an overstatement.>B-BUT...No, no one cares that you have a stronger PC, this product isn't for you, while you may be retarded this is for the true retards out there.
>>725997537You tell me
>>72599672512GB, I presume?
>>725997839Wow someone who actually got it.
>>725997356Those surveys are fake data made up of poorfags that do not represent real gamers. Valve would be retarded to use it.
>>725997839why are they selling THE average TO the average? the 3060 is coming up on 5 years old and it can't even match that.
>>725998010How is this not blasphemy?
>>725997993are valve going to put steam machine on the shelf at a competitive price next to ps5 and xbox?
>>725997839That's not people that's of machines. Some people already have multiple systems
>>725998364>Our app is a tool for exploration, education, and engagement with biblical narratives, and it is not intended to replace or mimic direct communication with divine entities, which is a deeply personal aspect of one's faith. The AI-powered app does not claim to provide actual divine insights or possess any form of divine consciousness, but simply uses its language model to generate responses based on a wide corpus of biblical and religious texts. The purpose of the app is to stimulate reflection, deepen understanding of religious texts, and encourage meaningful conversations about faith.But also>Can I really chat with Satan?>Satan is included in the app to provide a comprehensive understanding of biblical narratives, reflecting the character's role as described in the Bible. This shit is heresy of the highest order.
>>725998420how should I know? the point of this is not power but rather ease of use for the neanderthals out there. I don't fucking want one but it's obnoxious to watch morons argue all day when they are missing the clear and obvious point.
>>725981979The product is not for you.
>>725998010I don't know if this is dystopian or just plain funny.
>>72599811916
>>725981861>Stop complaining.Ok, I stopped
>>725998364It's the same way that Pastors are pro transIt's ragebait by liberals that aren't really christian
>>725998659there's a 16GB 3060?
>>725982090i bought a 5090 to make blender porn
>it’s meant for third world countries Cope lmao
>>725998547the average /v/tard is unable to comprehend that not every product in the market is made for him specifically
>>725981861>it's good because turd worlders can't afford a computer*yaaaaaaawn*
>>725998765people forget it's available in like 10 countriesthat's before considering if they'll be raped on price
>>725981861>Billionaire Company.ESL as fuck
>>725984135the usual retards that refuse to stay in their containment board
>>725998716ahh i'm retarded, yes, 12 vram
>>725981861He aint wrong, jeets, favela monkeys and SEAsians are running whatever dogshit leftover 2010 computers get shipped there. A sort of shit but fully modern computer will mog anything else in the region
>>725998765wait so it is available in the us?
>>725998836Lol
>>725998010Thats pretty funny
>>725981861That means they need to sell it at an affordable price, otherwise there's no point to it...
>>725981861Who is the mememachine even for?Consolefags will stick with their more powerful console and PCfags will stick with their more powerful PC
>>725999223Nice idea but valve only sells to firstie countries
>>725999391thirdies that won't be able to buy it in their region, couldn't afford it anyway, and yet make up the majority of dragging down the hardware survey.
>>725998572Who is it for?
>>725998010That reminds me of that confession booth in Silksong.
>>725999391Like 20% of Deck players are docked so for any of them without a pc for one.
It is a bit of a case that unless you have a strong need for a pc because you maybe used a pc since childhood that its easy to fall into a scenario where you never invest into a good pc because its like 2k€People get a console, then they have a laptop for school or they rely on their smartphone. Parents might not have time for pc or it takes too much space because kids need to be housed somewhere and the living room/kids room is the gaming space. Ofc people in shithole countries rely on cheap pc parts and theres a lot of them infesting steam hardware survey.So steam machine fits some people who currently own a laptop and it sucks for gaming. For parents who will put it in the living room next to the tv to casually game occasionally. 3rdies who have shit tier pc. People who use a phone for everything and want an entry level device.
>>725981861Since when does being billionaire equates knowing what the fuck you're talking about?
>>725981861>It's for third worlders>it's not available anywhere in global south
>>725999470valve don't sell to those countries to begin with
Powerful PCs/consoles don't matter anymore. 10 years ago an upgrade would cost 800-1,200 bucks.Now an upgrade to my PC will cost 2,000-3,000 dollars and its going up more and more every year. Maybe when the AI bubble finally pops we'll get affordable pcs again haha doubt it tho.
>>725999704correct
>>725981979The irony is you are going to buy it.It's going to be a novelty toy like the Steam Deck. People will buy it as a media machine for the TVs or something they can take on a vacation or their vacation homes. The third worlders aren't because pure hardware components and workshop prebuilts are usually cheaper. Plus everyone wants a Windows PC to run everything. Poorfags in the first would will still buy 500$ Used machines that beat it. >>725982104Except we can't filter these results by country. If we could we'd see a very different picture. How many millions of Steam users are in China, India, Russia and Brazil versus Western Europe and the Angloworld?I willing to bet that most Anglo worlders don't game on 1080p.1440p is the standard there.
>>725981861So you're saying it's aimed at thirdworlders and I am not the target audience.... Message received.
>>725984135I do, because he is in my fucking country in a position that should be filled by one of my people.
>>725999535It's a weird metric because you had people putting their lives on these things, but as laptop alternatives. It became their daily driver BECAUSE it was portable. Why would they care for a device fixed in place?
>>725999831If it was a console only steam box that i could plug into my tv for $200 i might have got one
>>725992843Dirt
A human is a biological category, not an abstract individual.Not caring about someone's blood is simply not caring about human at all>It's all about ideasNo, ideas and principles exist to serve humans, not the other way around.
>>725999872Thirdies can't buy that shit, nor deck.
>>725981861who's got a recent steam hardware survey?
>>725986341You ever looked at reviews of gaming prebuilts you dumb fuck? Many of them can't even cool the CPU properly, that's how irredeemably shit they can be. The massive pile of bloatware doesn't help either.You have to be an actual expert to figure out what to buy and not get a turd.
Thats cool Mr YazanBut how are people who cant afford a better PC are gonna be able to buy it?Are you telling me when it's released that a Kid from lets say Bulgaria will be able to just walk down to a hardware store and buy it after saving up for 3 years?
Can someone explain to me the logic behind the Steam Box? I always figured consoles are essentially a marketing creating, people buy the black box because it has a name attached and a library of games I guess. If you want performance or any form of luxury for your experience you just buy a PC. Thus Steam is selling a product console players and PC gamers do not want.
>>726000218steam
>>725981979its your fault for being a retard and sucking nvida cock. nobody said you should upgrade your shit minimally.
>>726000405console players have beaten wife syndrome. steambox is a potential out.I want what happened to xbox to also happen to sony and nintendo
>EqualWhy would someone who works for Valve say that?
>>726000405There is an awful lot of people out there who think things like steam automatically updating games is fucking amazing and brilliant and before pcs had that pc gaming was just not viable. That is who the steam box is for.
>>725984135Curious Zeta fans.
>>726000546Nintendo needs a lot more humbling than Xbox got.
>>725981861He's right but he's forgetting that those people won't be able to afford a steam machine either.
Equal AND better are weird distinctions to group together.Am I part of the "equal" within that 70%?Why would anyone within the "equal" want to spend money to... not improve their situation.
>>725985983How much runescape gold does this setup cost?
So is this thing just a mini computer, or does it only play steam games and use steam specific shit?
>>726001191mini computer running SteamOS
>>726000405>PC gamers do not wanthow so? Gabecube looks like a good starting point for a guy's first pc or an upgrade for people who have been holding out on weaker specs waiting for prices on parts to drop (they won't) and windows is slow boiling their current userbase into inevitable online-only ad ridden cuckware with the only saving grace being that large governments forced them to slow their roll until 2032, making it a good option for people who are tired of that shit but are too retarded to install an operating system correctly
>>725999391This will be $550 or $600 when it's released, the PS6 will be around $800 while the next gen Xbox is going to be $1400. Why would you buy those over something cheaper?
>>726001274They've done this before and it was an enormous flop.
>>726000546>>726000913Why Nintendo, they don't do anything to deserve it, you guys are just mad because they shit on piratefags while keeping their games exclusive to their hardware. We need Nintendo for consoles and we need Valve for PCs, we don't need Sony or Microsoft. Their era from 2007 to now destroyed this industry.
>>725981861>YazanWAR IS NOT A GAME
>equalSo, not in the market for the Steam Deck?Why would he include these people in the percentage? It makes me suspicious it was used to bolster the percentage.
There is zero defense for 8GB. The only reason it's still the single most common is Nvidia and AMD keep slopping them out (5060, 9600) as "budget" cards.
>>726001536
>>726001312Maybe you’re already heavily invested in one of those ecosystems. With how high digital purchases have been since Covid due to lockdowns you have many who won’t abandon their games. And the likelihood of ps6 launching at $800 isn’t high, I could see $599 but who knows. They’ll keep $7-800 if their back pocket for a Pro model some years later.
>>726001274>Online only with adsYou mean literally how steam works today? lmao
Anybody with a good computer would never be poor or stupid enough to let steam survey scan their computer.
>>726001619The biggest issue is the people using that hardware are running 1080p on smaller monitors while trying too push this as a machine for the living room where we normally have the biggest TV. That’s where you’ll find issues not so much they guys playing on monitors but those using 55”+ TV’s
>>726001864>Implying they don't already have those full stats from their """"anti-cheat"""" data
>equal or better than 70% of what people have at homeBut that's wrong according to their own metrics.>CPUabout 19% of those surveyed have less than 6 cores.>GPUabout 37% of those surveyed have less than 8GB of VRAM>RAMless than 13% of those surveyed have less than 16GB>Storageonly 23% of those surveyed have less than 500GB of storage space
>>726001708>Maybe you’re already heavily invested in one of those ecosystemsYou're still pedaling that Phil Spencer shit when it doesn't even hold weight on his own platform.>And the likelihood of ps6 launching at $800 isn’t highIt's pretty high since its BOM will be higher than the Steam Machine's while Sony is no longer subsidizing their future hardware.
>>725981979No product could give you a functional brain
>>726001953Sure man, for games I never play, perhaps they still have my 2080 from the dota2 I played 5 years ago, but not my 4090
>>726001957Valve just wants affordable hardware. They're not Microsoft.
>>726001717>ad space sold to the highest bidder in the start menu is the same as the video game store platform trying to sell you video gameslol
>>725985983If this dude owns his hut, and doesn't live in fear of being financially and physically ruined because his megacorp laid him off, this dude is probably living a better life than most Americans.
>>726001923Valve is trying to spin it as "good enough for 1080p then smear it with FSR". Like at least confirm full fat FSR4 because you're not even touching DLSS otherwise which has retroactively gotten better on 20+ series.
>>725999831>Already have a capable gaming PC>Have a Switch 2, so I can play all worthwhile exclusives>"The irony is you are going to buy it."No, I don't think I will. I have no use for this thing whatsoever.
>>726001923>Only 4.65% running at 4kholy shit how disconnected from reality can these guys be? Who the absolute fuck has a 1080p tv these days?
>>725992735You're going to be a disgusting street-shitting Indian for the rest of your life and nothing you do will ever change that fact.
>>726001974Phil was absolutely right you imbecile, you think people are going to hit the eject button 15 years later with thousands spent on games, hardware, tons of hours spent playing games, making new friends, shared experiences and memories. People literally grew up with Sony and Xbox, had families, played with their kids, handed down old systems. You think any of the console onlies who don’t have a Steam account or a desire to play on pc are going to just hang it up, sell there system now because it might be a bit more expensive than last cycle. Delusional
>>726002392>Delusionallmfao, enjoy your first party "tentpole" titles with another ugly dyke protagonistsnoys just can't stop winning bros
>>726002392I dropped Xbox for Steam, it was the best decision I ever made. we had it made in the 90s on up, I'm sorry your childhood was shit and you're stuck with these stupid bastards. Only games I'll still take a look at from Microsoft are Halo's campaigns and Doom. Sony, on the other hand, has nothing that interests me anymore since they killed all of their good studios and IP, so I'm done with them. Once Microsoft puts a bullet in Halo and Doom, I can drop them fully too. I have PC and Nintendo now, Switch 2 and Steam Deck 2, here I come.
>stop complainingWell that's only a marginally better catchphrase than what they used the last time they tried this but let's see if it pays out this time around
>>726002392it's a hard but also easy process. I jumped to PC during the PS4 era.
>>725992224>second floorYou are genuinely blind.
>>726002683There's just too many options on PC.If you're a homebody like most people are these days, limiting yourself to "PS5 only" is a mental illness.If you're one of those people who, "don't have time to play games much", then fine enjoy your console, but no one here is that guy.If you're truly a poor and limited on money, PS5 is just too expensive over time, you don't need an expensive PC just to enjoy more games than anything on PS5.
>>725998010>source not provided>twatter postKill yourself, retard.
>>726002994>Be rich>Get beefy rig>Be poor>Get toasterSimple as
>>725981861>new product>worse than current hardwareJust admit you're trying to appeal to console gamers and that's the whole point of it and that PC gamers should just ignore it.
>>725981861Is the second paragraph a quote from the guy or the tweeter editorializing?
>>726005147editorializing you know these twitter people gotta add spice to it
>>725981979You dont deserve anything.
>>725982087Because developers can not optimize for shit these days or can't be bothered to.
>>725982007Juden duh
>>725982207Steam Machine's GPU is much weaker than a 4060.
based valve lowering hardware standards to address the optimization problem
>>725981861>"Enthusiasts in their bubble think they know better than the BILLIONAIRE company"Billionaire companies are fallible as any other company.
>>725981861So the steam machine is made specifically for Indians??? I guess that makes sense why so many people on /v/ are shilling it then.
>>725988738>done a googleretarded esl>>725981861>of what people have at homeretard esl
>>725999910nothing is stopping you from interviewing, el goblino. except your public school system, maybe.
>>725981861My 2019 gaming laptop still have better performance than this, not to mention my current build, I wish the GPU was a tad better desu
>>725984135>what kind of absolute retard even gives a shit?
>we want the steam machine to be small enough to fit in your entertainment center>doesn't support 4kWhat's the fucking point of selling it if it can't be used on the TVs that are gonna be on a entertainment center?
>>725991949They always say it's the highest end GPU and then it turns out it's always 4 gens old of a midrange GPU equivalent. Console hardware is always behind by massive amounts. If you are looking for Power, Performance you look to PC. If you are looking for something of simplicity look for Console.
>>726006434Most TVs aren't being used for 4K retard
>>726006859Yeah I'm sure all the games will look great on Chad's 200 inch TV at 360p on medium settings retard.
>>725982207it's good only because it will force poojeets to target it, indirectly stopping the further bloating of vidya
>>726006924>Yeah but what about [headcanon]The majority of shit people do on their TV is smeary 1080p upscaled to 4K by the TV, and then interpolated to 60FPS, also by the TV.
>>725999939>It became their daily driver BECAUSE it was portable.That's like 50 neckbeards on reddit and /v/. Real people use phones to do shit. If it's real work they use a laptop, probably a macbook. Then if you are a "gamer" you play gachaslop in your phone or FIFA cod slop on a PlayStation, or Bing Bing wahoo on a switch. That's it.
>>725981861> Yazan AldehayyatWhat the fuck?
>>725981861Damn that's crazy Yazan, are you gonna release it in those markets at prices they can afford?
>Yazanhttps://youtu.be/cUZaMqjP96Y?si=mHOlr4z4k4rjf9Uk
>>725981979>A new product should give me something i don't have yetValve released multiple products. I have a beastly rig, so only the controller and headset interest me.
>>725988738Nobody actually right-wing gives a fuck about being called a racist anymore, faggot.
>another thread of retards convinced the steam machine is a product for entry level PC gaming and not a niche luxury item for existing users
>>725982972Deck sold 5 million units and 20% of them played with their decks docked 90% of the time. This upgrade is for them.
>>725981861Steam is being held back by turd worldersSteam should split into 3; real Steam for first worlders, Steam 2 for turd worlders and browns and then Steam China
>>725984135On /vpol/ it matters greatly
>>726007704Who cares about the latest portable console thing?The engineer's last name is unironically more interesting.
>>726007704How much does an entry level PC cost nowadays? I'm still using the toaster I got 10 years ago so I was wondering if it would be cheaper to get an entry level PC or the Steam Machine and which would have better specs for the price
>>726006117And that statement doesn't even mean anything. They are trying to make the most money not make the best product. The company dumping toxic waste into the river next to an elementary school knows what they are doing doesn't mean people should like what they are doing.
>>726007889Depends on what you want.Like, the Steam Deck is capable enough to emulate everything up to PS2 at a reasonable level, and it can basically play any game released for the PS4 at its native 800p within the realm of 45-60FPS. That could be entry level if you're not going to be playing a lot of new games.People meme about the new machine's specs, but it'll probably just run shit slightly worse than the PS5, and unlike the PS5, it's targeting 1080p explicitly rather than forcing 4K, so shit will probably run better. Will probably cost as much as the typical entry level prebuilt. Probably cheaper actually, since most people's "entry level" is gaming laptops that cost $2000 rather than building their own PC.
>>725984135/pol/fags
>>725981861you will buy a notebook in the boxyou will be happy
>>726008146I mostly just emulate gen 4-6 games and play indies which is why I never upgraded from my potato. It would be nice to be able to play gen 7 and 8 games or some low end modern titles, but I would only upgrade if it doesn't cost too much
>>725982207>a 4060nigga this thing isn't even close to a 4060
>>725981979What the fuck do you retards want? You want Valve to make a high end Steam OS machine for you? You can literally just do this yourself.
>>726007704Why would I want a steam machine if I already have a better pc?
>>725985983Where is this at? And wheres the original vid
>>726008648It's semi-custom, use something else as a direct analogue is dumb.
>>726008810It's a luxury item intended to be hooked up to a TV. That's it.>but I could just move my PC there!It's for people who don't want to do that.>but I could plug in my laptop! or my deck!!It's for people who want a dedicated devie.>but I could stream!!Nobody uses Steam Link. Nobody.
>>726008893*using
>>726008714i'd rather just a cheaper console only version
>>725982808>smugLooked pretty soulful and nice to me >If you want to check out pc gaming try this>If you want a more plug and play pc for your tv you can try this
>>725981861>equalso why change?
>>725982007Assyrian.
they're probably technically right thoughyou can opt into the steam hardware survey and I think most people do, that's why they know
>>726008930>low-end specs>luxuryIf you wanted an expensive luxury pc there are better options.
>>726008893"semi-custom" aka 7600M with beefed power delivery - 90w standard but they get to 110w with 130w boost. Unfortunately, power scales like shit. It will be 5-15% faster than standard 7600M.
why get a steam box over a PC? you can put new cards/gpus/etc into a PC case.
the mistake is to assume boldly that people play minecraft and roblox out of poverty because they can't have a better machine, while in reality people just buy something that is enough to run what they like. the box wont make people suddenly crave for unoptimized AAAA corporate garbage. They will stay on roblox and fortnite.
>>726009013Hey, third worlder, luxury just means a non-essential item intended solely for some form of pleasure. That's what it is. Nobody needs a steam machine, let alone the people it's marketed to. It's purely a first world item (which is why you will never be able to buy it on steam). It's not about "having a PC". It's about having a box that connects to your TV and links to your steam. That's it.
when he said better than 70% of the user base, did he exclude all those net cafes in china and other third world countries?
>>725982078I live in a 3rd world mudhole and I have access to a Stem Ick on Eck but it is a bad investment.An nvidia shield type system is better and cheaper unless you are factually a fucking idiot who goes outside playing bing bing wahoo games on his Nintendo Switch for Big BOYS!Quentin was absolutely right on the matter.
it's for dumbass r*dditors who will buy this to configure their toaster and the LEDs in their cuckshed and not even use it ever to play games
>>725981861>better than what you have at home>it runs linuxliteral lies
>>726009151Probably, because they only sell this shit in first world countries and they have the metrics not to mention they want to sell a product why would they fool themselves with bad statistics
>>726009020Valve made that mistake long ago with prebuilds.Not only they are more expensive outside the US, they are not even good there.These are manufactured with weird specifications, that made them actually worse than modern pre-builds that can actually be upgraded.It is literally a brand thing.Companies are really out of touch with reality, they are following the Disney playbook making things more niche and expensive when everyone is clenching their teeth buying essentials.>>726009141>Valve is right because they are targeting the saudis and people so rich they can afford to be dumb with their moneyCaptcha NGGRG.
>>726009375>>Valve is right because they are targeting the saudis and people so rich they can afford to be dumb with their moneyNo, that's just most first worlders, drop the "rich" part. People spend their money on shit they don't need all the time. People just like spending money. We live in a world of credit cards and payment splitters, and those wouldn't exist if that wasn't the case.
>>726009375I think the gabe cube could be a great emulation box but if you just want to emulate, you can do that for very cheap with android setups.
I spent 200 bucks on a mini PC a year or so back, it's fine for light gaymen, which is all you want out of a portable PC. Nobody wants a thousand dollar brick that can just about run shit at 720p.
>>725992735>/v/ has been /vpol/ for about a decade nowbased, that's why I love lurking there
>>725981861>don't even ship to 70% of countries that could use gabecube as pc replacement
>>726009141>it's not an entry level pc its a luxury>n-no wait actually ive decided to change the definition so that im right autism
>>725982207No I said I support the Series S because with being the benchmark Devs will be forced to actually optimize their games. Obviously this was wishful thinking.
>>726010610>Luxury goods are non-essential products or services that are expensive and sought after for their status, exclusivity, and prestige rather than just their utility.
>>726010648you originally said that it wasn't an entry-level gaming pc, it was a luxury. now suddenly an entry-level gaming pc is a luxury?
>>726010684I wish ESLs wouldn't post here.It is a luxury item. A non-essential tool. That's what I meant. I know you're Indian and luxury has something to do with your caste system, but that's not what I'm talking about. "Luxury Item" is a common phrase here in the first world.
>>726010741Ok so you agree that it's an entry-level pc?
>>726010787When did I ever say it wasn't dumbass?
>>725989693Still king
>>726007704>>726010861This post. Are you retarded?
>>725982104Problem is valve isn't going to sell it to turd worldersIt will be sold in usa eu australia and such countries which can afford decent set upsTurd worlders will be getting that shit resold for 1.5x price making it uneconomical for themIt's a loss-loss situation unless it's REALLY cheap
>>725989693Just so we aren't unfair posting just the worst one, not that it paints a much better picture of the console though
>>726010928>being this ESLYou are Indian, aren't you? "A product for entry level PC gaming" =/= "An entry level PC". What that phrase means is something designed to be someone's first PC. What I said was that the Steam Machine is designed to be another appliance one buys in addition to being an existing PC user. Because that's what it's for.
>>725996795This, the target audience is stupid and loose with it's money.
>>725989693>>726011085
>>725982207A 4060 is still stronger than your ps5 brick. Hell even a gtx 1080 has more power than a ps5 lmao.
>>726011120>sony keks have a worst platform than my 10 year old pc
>>725981861What's the point if it will cost 1500$ outside of burgerostan + satrapies?
>>726011106There is no reason to buy this if you're an existing pc user when you can simply buy another normal pc that doesn't have shitty hardware.
>>726011289>already circlingI stated the utility in a post you already responded to, pajeet. It's a luxury item designed to mitigate effort needed to switch from your PC to a TV. That's it. That's the entire utility. >buy another normal PCPeople want the small form factor.I don't even know why you're in this thread when Valve doesn't even sell hardware in your country.
>>726011371>It's a luxury item designed to mitigate effort needed to switch from your PC to a TV. I'm talking about buying a second pc you esl retard. The only reason to buy one of these if you don't like fucking around with pcs and just want a box that plays video games. If you already have a pc then you're already fine with fucking with pcs.
>>726011120>zen 2 with 16MB of cache and proper ram is faster than zen 2 with 8MB and dogshit 160ns ramwoah
>>725981861>what people have at homeYes, if you want to include all the 12 year old family computers and laptops, sure. But if you take the hardware survey and cross reference it with PCs playing recently released demanding games the market for gaming PCs looks a lot different.
>>726011371>People want the small form factorHow many? Half a million? Even less?How many of them didn't had steam before?It's literally just a drain in valve pockets if what you're saying is true
>>725981861talk about a bubble lolmost of the countries in the third world are banned, excluded from purchases or too pooras for the rest, russia banned, ching chongs have their own shit, and for japs that box probably looks like something from the 90s
>>725981861this argument doesn't make sense though? third worlders don't have "top tier" hardware because of the expense and the steam machine will obviously not be cheaper than building a pc yourself with equivalent specs. the real appeal is the form factor, mini-pc parts are always expensive so i think it could be plausible that the steam machine is a good deal compared to something of the same size with similar specs>enthusiasts in their bubble think they know better than the BILLIONAIRE companylol they aren't a billion dollar company from hardware sales. steam deck did ok but their other hardware forays have mostly been failures. people are right to question their decision making in the hardware space, the idea that gaben is rich so his company is infallible is just as retarded as thinking zuckerberg, bezos, or musk are infallible
>>726011447>trying to flip the ESL shit after he already showed that he doesn't know common English termslolAnyways, this is retarded. People are not robots, just because someone built a PC before, that doesn't mean they'll do it again for their living room. The Steam Machine is a box designed as a niche luxury item to mitigate issues in that regard. You buy it, you put it next to your TV, you plug it in, the end. >inb4 schizo retard who can't even buy these things starts talking about prebuilt shitboxes with integrated GPUs and sold from ChinaValve hardware is only sold on Steam. The Apple comparison made in this thread (and others) is apt, people really will buy it just because of branding.>inb4 the ESL retard from India starts acting like I'm saying anything of note here>>726011601>How many? Half a million? Even less?Doesn't really matter when Valve doesn't produce hardware in large quantities. The Steam Deck only had an initial production of 50K, I imagine the steam machines will be in the same ballpark.>How many of them didn't had steam before?In all likelihood, less than 1% of potential buyers.
>>726011693>SAAR YOU ARE BLOODY BASTARD BITCH NOT MEyeah ok rajeesh.>saar what if i forget how to build pc and also i cannot figure out how to redeem prebuilt pcThis person does not exist. This is entry-level hardware that is tailored specifically for people who don't already play on pc because they want a box that plays video games.
>>726011519right? it's crazy how sony released such a shitty piece of hardware that can't even play games properly and people ate it up
>>726012154Well the ps4 generation was way worse. Core 2 duo macbook air level of performance.
>>725981861that doesn't mean much to me as a first worlder when i know they're basing that off their steam survey that's majority 3rd worlders
>>726012025>still deflecting>having a meltdown while doing solol
>>725998765Not only that but you should realize that it's not going to be sold directly from Valve via shipping but from local resellers in third worlds, which are going to amp up the prices no matter what
>>726012396Third worlders don't buy fancy boutique computers, they order older stuff from Aliexpress
>>726011597>>726011653You niggas really think people at valve just pick the most retarded statistics to design their product Not to mention A. They don't sell in third world countries B. They have better data about gamers than everyone else
>>726001957cores and vram dont tell you anything about perf, most users dont have zen4 cores and rdna3 graphics.
>>726012596Well no, i was just challenging the notion that the steam machine is "more powerful" than most PCs. And of course, when you target the whole PC market globally, then yes. Since it's a SFF, HTPC or "living room" computer, target that specific market, the steam machine is probably blowing everything else out of the water. But Valve had to consider that they would be advertising this machine, whether they want to or not, to a primarily first world gamer audience, the kind of people playing AAA and other demanding games, and expect that they wouldn't be impressed by the specs.
>>726013232I don’t know about AAA studios, but they probably have good data on who’s buying most games. A lot of players have low-end setups if you look at the charts, most people are still playing games made before 2020 and many Unity games. Also, Steam’s cut depends on revenue, not on the size of the studio, so they’re probably not too worried about whether every big AAA game runs on it.
>>725981861imo they should start aggressively with 512gb model at $449. they could sell 2tb model for $650 to cover the loss and still end up in plus. in a few years this hardware will be sold under $300 and it will still be able to play 90% of steam library which is huge.
It would be a good thing for video games if the steam machine became the standard that games are developed around.
PC master race targeting mid range specs on par with the budget Xbox Series S lol
>>726013736> 90% of sprobably close to 98% if you are not counting anti cheat shit Most AAA games still run flawlessly one 8gb vram
>>726014009>Enter level Pc is entry level wow who could've seen that one coming
>>725982007>>725981861Ugly Jew
>>725982207/v/ is full of redditors
>>725981861It will flop, just because third world consoleshitters only comprehend Nintendo, X-box and Sony as "the three" and sega like some sort of "fallen god'.Their brains will not compute or accept a new console on the market.
>>726014009The cpu is at least 2 times fasterare you children incapable of looking up benchmarks on google search
>>726014435All the specs on this shitbox are inflated with "capable of" and "up to" because they're at max overclock specs lolYou've been bamboozled faggot.
>>726008893With a variety of RDNA3 products out there you can do a pretty accurate estimation. Saying it's incomparable because they slapped 'semi-custom' over it is dumb.
>>725997324Did he though? it all seems more flashy than good
>>726013763It won't sell enough for that
>>726014518This is with a laptop heatsink. Now post ps5/xbox cb24.
>>725981861BUY STEAM MACHINE NOW GOY!
>>726014095do you think it will run gta 6? it's been in development for a long time and there's plenty of time for rockstar to do optimizations. the best aspect of steam box is if it really takes off and becomes popular it might become a baseline for optimization which companies won't be able to ignore, it will also become more convenient to optimize for specs that most people use.
>>726014801You can do geekbench too it's probably easier to find console apu results
>>725989693>>725991949Console players are always bitching about performance issues in my cross platform games. Their settings are all set to minimum and I still see them crashing out of lobbies all the time.They'd be much better off building a computer but I think they lack the mental capacity. I can often tell when someone's on a console just from how they talk in game. Someone needs to study the IQ gap between PC and xbox/ps5 gamers because I think microsoft and sony are taking advantage of the mentally retarded and need to be sued.
>>725984135>OOOOOY VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY
>>726014792it will if it costs $400Valve can assume for each steam machine sold it will sell a few games and so it can sell it at a loss. If it does this it stands to make it big in the long run
>>725999478Poor third worlders
>>726015221Valve have never sold any of their hardware for a loss. It'll be 800 bucks.
>>725984135Mutts like you wouldn't understand.
>>725982007jewish obviously
>>725981861so why didnt this work the past 3 times they have done it?
>>726014871If R* can optimize it for series S then they might be able to make it run on steam box upscaledAlso 6 isn't coming until late 2027 so valve will have some time in their hands to refresh the steam machine according to the demand
Why would I want to buy something that's "equal" to what I already have?
>>725998010its for religious dimwits so noone of any value will be affected
>>726015275gaben could have been laying low, its now time for them to corner the market just as windows dissatisfaction is at its highest
Just a remainder for the thread that Steam has metrics and the majority of users game at 1080p. I imagine most are gaming at 1080p because they don't have the rigs to actually game at 1440p. I also think a lot of them don't give a shit because they're not le true gamers. Console players are gaming on a "4K" TV anyway, so to them that's good enough.
>>725998521The way they describe it makes it pretty fucking obvious that it's not blasphemy, it's literally the same thing as asking anyone about what the biblical texts are about, as in "Who is Jesus and why did he get nailed to a cross?" or "What exactly is Satan and why is he evil?"If they tried to sell this thing as anything other than what it is, a tool for rewording text and context as written, then it would have been blasphemy.
>>725981861So basically Valve aim for third world countries? Well they better make it cost like 100$ lmao.
>>725981861lmao, kike telling others to stop kvetching again.Anyway, what's "entry level PC" is supposed to be? Gaymere Nigsus said that's the ballpark for steambox price range.
>>725982007ArabSame guy behind steam deck
the truth is that resolution is the biggest meme of them allwhat really matters is viewing distance and when push comes to shove people will lower settings to get better framerates than obsess over being able to take screenshotsbesides, that performance level is objectively fine as long as the developers actually do competent raster and don't force raytracing
>>726015451Steam cube is 2+ times faster than conslows including ps5 pro
>>725991949You'll probably not be shocked to learn that "4K" consoles were always kind of a lie. They can kind of accomplish it on a technicality with indie, small scale AA or cross-gen titles by raw horsepower, but every single AAA game of any degree is a smeary mess you don't notice normally thanks to distance from a TV screen unless it's especially egregious. I've taken a lot of photos off of my XSX, every game I play has some fucking horrible anti-aliasing and other solutions on top that only go away when I scale the image down in size. This isn't even getting into tech limitations where "IT'S 2020 TECH THO" is technically a lie and is always a couple years behind. Switch 1 was 2015 hardware for 2017, Switch 2 is like something that might've been kinda impressive in 2022 but now looks quaint in 2025.We never really "left" the arcade advantage era, it's just now that's PC (and sometimes even phone) tech versus the consoles.
>>726016454Well consoles are are one size fits all, same cannot of said about PC they have to make sure games runs well with many different configuration
>>726016845One size fits 30 fps with dips to tens
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