Did Bethesda save this franchise?
>>726012185Reminder than FO3 remaster will be a giant hit
>>726012185probably, interplay was poorly managed. 3 and new vegas are better than the rushed 3d iso fallout 3 would've been
>>726012185eastern europeans did
>>726012185Yes but it would have been better for everyone if they didn't
>>726012185In the sense that there never would have been another FO game yes
>>726012185They certainly caused more entries to be released. One of them was even pretty good.
>>726012234FO3 remaster when>
>>726012185No. It should have ended on 1 tho
Bethesda has never released a single good game.
>>726012372but then we wouldnt have gotten tactics
>>726012185If Bethesda didn't buy it than Tim Kaine was going to and he would have made a moderately successful masterpiece
For me, it's New Vegas.
>>726012185In a sense, but really what they actually did was make a new franchise that wears the same skin.
>>726012234Anon, RE2R sold 19m despite being just unimaginable garbage, nostalgia is a drug for normies
>>726012185It might have been known but it was probably not very well known. I am guessing it had maybe some sort of cult classic status. I didn't even know this series existed until Bethesda bought it and started development on Fallout 3.
>>726012185Fallout 3 and 4 are mainstream games but don't really follow the feel of the first game, the lack of tribals for example.
>>726014087Can you really call it nostalgia when most did not play the original though
>>726012185>Did Bethesda save this franchise?Maybe F3 could give such an impression, but now Fallout is just millennial cringe with memes about nuka-cola
>>726012185yesVan Buren's storyline was dogshitFallout 2 was a fucking mess, disjointed ideas and half added content everywhere, even if of Todd gave them full control over the franchise they would jave fumbled it, it needed a fresh start
>>726012409Tactics was at least playable and with some decent ideas like Vault 0. Now BoS on the other hand...
Wasteland is the superior franchise.
>>726015457FOMO nostalgia, newfags want to be involved in the circle of cool uncles, but don't want to play the original. Like previously newfags didn't want to read the classic but wanted to talk about it
>>726012185Not at all>>726015618Retard
>>726014087Jesus it sold that fucking well?
>>726015618>Fallout 2 was a fucking mess>underground vampires>android abolitionists>the town of kids>the fight between larping superheroesSure, pal, those ideas are so jointed
>>726012185No. In fact there are far more contradictions in 3, 4 and 76 than in Fallout Tactics. They may have gave it much more mass appeal, but at the cost of everything...including tuning it into TES with guns and no magic.New Vegas avoided this because the people making it did the first two games.
>>726015728Yeah in that sense I see what you mean
Every new title takes away more from the overall story/world than it adds to it. Sometimes it's better to just end something early and leave on a good note.
>>726013772You will die in few weeks because open axewounds can give indections
they save it in the context of pulling it from irrelevance and doing a good enough job to turn it into a billion dollar property. that being said, I don't really care what they do with it anymore because for me fallout 4 was a very bad game and my head hurts trying to accept it as being part of the same canon as the original fallout.
>>726012185no they groomed it out of a sunken basement and milked it>>726012234Depend how they deal with power armor and gunplay>>726014413tribals are retarded specially from a second generation of "educated" vault guys all to copypaste mad max 3
Would you consider yourself to be saved if someone rescued you from harm, locked you up in their basement and kept you there for as long as you live being raped day and night?
>>726013705Right, and it would've saved Troika because they shut down due to not being able to find a publisher for their (Not) Fallout 3. We live in the bad end timeline.
>>726012185Saved in the sense that they co-opted it to turn it into something completely new that doesn't have anything to do with the prior entries and ended up making a lot of money off of it. Otherwise no.
>>726012185No.
>>726012185In the sense that they're still using the IP for things yes.
>>726012185No, they ruined it
No since bethesda never made a Fallout game but instead prevented others from doing it.
>>726017921Tribals in FO1 were fine as they were basically just farmers. FO2 is what made them more stereotypical.
>>726012185Bethesda is the only reason anyone has heard of it.
>>726015941I miss Tactics. If it had the same level of non-linear story and gameplay as the first two Fallouts, then it would've been hands down the best game in the series.
>>726015748black>>726015894as opposed to what one pump chump quests in 2?the only memorable location is New Reno, everything else has 1-2 quest tied to it, even NCR is a glorified one quest stop with Chicken Tenders being old and wrinklytrekking around the wastes just to hand in one quest miles away is not a good formula
>Bethesda is the only reason anyone has heard of it.
No, the complete opposite.Without Bethesda, Fallout today would be remembered as a nerdy CRPG franchise for nerds. But Todd Howard came along and "saved" Fallout by turning it into a corporate open world looter shooter theme park thar randomly namedrops "Iconic Fallout Things" while not understanding the source material at all. Then it was sold to normalfags and console niggers who never cared about Fallout as "Oblivion with guns" and so the name of Fallout was ruined forever. And just when you think it can't be worse Todd always finds new ways to make things even shittier, like letting Amazon to make a shitty streaming service adaptation for women that just takes a huge steaming dump on what Fallout used to be.Bethesda is pure cancer. Todd should be killed.
>>726012185no. They just wear it as a skinsuit for the lovely marketable brands like>bos>enclave>super mutants>vault boyetc its pretty telling siberian modders can recreate something that feels like an original Fallout entry instead of the diluted mcdonalds beth is serving
>>726012185In that it wouldn't exist without it, yes. But the switch from Interplay fallout to Bethesda fallout (including New Vegas) is distinct enough they're essentially separate game series with shared lore and setting anyway.
>>726021071Ok normalfag.Fallout was decently successful back then and it was one of the "big" RPG's next to stuff like Baldur's Gate.Only console normalfags like you never heard about it before Todd raped the series without mercy.
>>726021760>This is what gen-xers unironically believe
>>726021821They believe in facts? Wow, what a bunch of retards.
>>726021821In facts? Yeah, I love actually having factual information. Fallout sold like a million copies, which was a impressive number at that time and got a lot of recognition. People back then most likely didn't know about Dungeons of Sneed'Feed, but they knew about Baldur's Gate or Fallout.
>>726021551the guy who did the talking heads in sonara is also one of the guys behind the upcoming tech demo in gzdoom. recreating the original F1 necropolis maps with gameplay in the engine
>>726022164sales numbers say jack shit as mouth breathers get really confused how small the market was back in 1998. 400k sales was a success then while already in 2001 arcanum flopped selling as much Good indication of what surprise hit F1 was is the fact Interplay immediately rail roaded F2 production after it to capitalize on its success. Completing it in eight months
>>726012185FO3 gave us NV, so that's better than nothing. And honestly, FO4 is overhated; the game's biggest flaw (on top of being unfinished) is how overpriced it is.
>>726022185talking heads in question
>>726021165Ever play The Sum? It's a complete overhaul of tactics set on canada's southern boarder. No brotherhood of steel or anything
>>726022634Honestly Tactics, if it had said non-linear gameplay and story, would've still worked with the BoS as the focal point as long as devs know what to do with them.Also thanks for the recommendation. Will look into it.
>>726022518Look sweet.
>>726022345NV is just a shitty mod for FO3 normaltroons praise because it has Obshidian slapped on the cover and they are convinced it's a REAL RPG because you get the best results by picking the dialogue options with numbers on thenIt's still just open world looter shooter crap.>FO4 is overhatedFuck you. Everything Bethesda is not hated enough, moron.
>>726022345>FO3 gave us NVNot worth it. It fucked up the gatekeeping of the series
>>726012234anything will be better than the originaleven if its the most generic ue5 slop ever madeeven more than slopivian
>>726023478What fucked up gatekeeping of the series is that No Mutants Allowed only made empty threats of death or arson without delivering on them.
>>726024225>No Mutants Allowed only made empty threats of death or arson
>>726024783https://www.vg247.com/fallout-3-announcement-death-threats
>>726012185unironically, yes.no one outside of basement dwellers knew about fallout prior to 3.also, 1 and 2 are shit to play. table top mechanics do not translate to video games well.HOWEVER.Bethesda is also killing fallout by not understanding what actually makes it tick.>haha sex joke>haha pop culture reference
>>726017520>noooo stop liking things i dont like or you're a tranny!!!!!let me guess, you also think any arena shooter that isn't quake is also bad.kys boomer.
>>726025267Normalfag.>>726012234>>726024056Reminder new bugs and glitches were added in the Oblivion "remaster".
>>726016856The same people didn’t even make the first two games retard bot
>>726012185fallout 3 was fun if you just forget it's a fallout game
>>726021760no, it wasn'task anyone who wasn't some uber PCfag back in the early 2000s what fallout is, and they'd give you the real world definition of it.fallout was obscure.face it.
>>726016856>New Vegas avoided this because the people making it did the first two games.Modern "fallout fan" inteligence everyone.
>>726023259>i hate NV because troons enjoy it so that means i can't enjoy it!did you know trannies also breath air, anon?
>>726016856The people who made New Vegas werent really the ones behind 1 and 2, a handful of Black Isle employees did work on Obsidian but most of the staff was people they brought over when they were working on Van Buren and at other games in Troika. Pretty much the only mayor figure that worked on the franchise long term was Avelone and we dont really know his role in 1 and 2.
>>726025536Check the >…It’s up there with - and : for the holy trinity of LLM ai slop
>>726025358>normalfagbeing a contrarian for contrarian's sake is pretty gay, anon.try to actually have a personality outside of tying your personality to media you consumed when you were 10
Why won't they just keep releasing smaller scope Fallout spin-offs outsourced to some C-tier studios? New Vegas was successful and it's praised to this day.
>>726014087pretty much, demakes are made for retards. FO1,2,4 is all you need.
>>726015704Based. If you guys want more isometric post-apocalyptic RPG just support them instead of giving Bethesda dimes. Wasteland 3 was pretty fun despite some flaws and the co-op was implemented well.
>>726025707My guess is jealousy, or Todd is autistic and doesnt want anyone to work on his own franchises besides himself and his team since they all follow his "vision". Obsidian pitched an idea for a New Vegas-esque sidegame for Oblivion and they got rejected.
>>726014087if F1-2 were remade today, even with DEI laid on heavily, most of the 'purists' in here would still buy it, and enjoy it due to nostalgia as well.
>>726025503>fallout was obscureThat's how one can tell he's talking with a poser.>>726025575I hate NV because it's just repackaged fallout 3 and fags pretend it's something different.>>726025641>muh contrarianAnd here's the favourite buzzword of a normalfag who just realized he isn't on reddit.Consuming product and recycling popular opinions isn't a replacement for a personality.
>>726013705Troika Fallout 3 would have released as a broken, buggy mess that frequently crashed to desktop, and the last third of the game would be so barren of content that your earlier role-playing decisions would seem meaningless. Still, fanboys would hail it as classic because it arrived during the RPG shortage of the 2000s, like a bucket of dirty piss-water to a man dying of thirst in the desert, and they'd insist that the problems were not worth discussing because there was a half-arsed, fanmade restoration patch which, they'd say, "fixes everything!"
>>726025226>Bethesda had to hire a security guardOh no!This is just like when that one guy was being harassed by Anonymous so he bought a dog!
>>726012185They saved it in the way that someone saves a person from being homeless only to chain them up in their basement and feed them a diet of nothing but gruel laced with shit for the next twenty years.
>>726025707Todd doesn't want to get upstaged again. It's the same reason why they won't let anyone else make TES games.
>>726025721>putting fallout 1 and 2 in the same box as 4Sigh. Bethesda trannies.
>>726025598>ESL is scared and confused by ellipses and colon
>>726024783>that picI miss old pantsahat. I hades that chaotic energy plus Red Bionicle was funny. No all he does is this Clickbait gothicchick BS.
>>726026178In my putrid boomer head 3,nv and 4 are FPS and barely related to Fallout. 4 and 76 are the most functional ones out of the modern slop, i like 4 what can i say 76 is fine too but>online game
>>726026097Would be better and more soulful than what Todd did to the IP.
>>726012185No
>>726012185She made it Mainstream. Before that it was a niche RPG like first 2 Baldur Gates a Cult classic but nothing more.
>>726026797It would have been better.The greatest curse one can lay upon their enemies is not to be ignored, but to have their hobby or passion become mainstream.
>>726012185It was a dead IP so if using words by their actual definition they saved the franchise.
>>726026027>that's how one can tell he's talking with a poserah, there it is.you desperately want to be with the 'in' crowd, so you use a game that you played a few times as a kid as some sort of exclusive club.fuckin' loser.
>>726026027>repackaged fallout 3yeah no shit retard, it flipped assets.the story is completely different and you actually have the choice to join the bad guys unlike in 3.
>>726012407Arena BadDaggerfall AwfulMorrowind MediocreOblivion ExcellentFallout 3 OutstandingSkyrim GOATFallout 4 MediocreFallout 76 AwfulStarfield Fucking pathetic.Story checks out. They have neved released a good game.
>>726026027you're obsessed with two games from the 90s that no one outside of your pretend club played or liked.3, NV, and 4 are objectively better gameplay wise.you're so obsessed with being anti-normalfag that you can't even recognize good shit.your entire personality revolved around being cool on 4chan.no wonder you're such a miserable faggot.
>>726025939>>726026176but Todd was the one who originally pushed for an Obsidian spin off that became new vegas. despite resistance from Zenimax C-suits
objectively yes. notice how almost every other crpg from that era died regardless of quality
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>>726012185Fallout 3 should have been a hard-reboot of the timeline.>set the clock to 2110>Keep the same factions, brands and iconography>Nobody is actually rebuilding society because they are too busy surviving>Introduce the whole Grey/Master thing with FEV>Have your scavengers sifting through ruins, fighting mutants, forming bands of raidersBecause that is every Bethesda Fallout game. A post-apocalyptic world, after over 200 years, should have indoor plumbing, electricity, societies, cities, governments, proper roads for the god damn garbage trucks picking up trash. We should have long distance communication or at least a two way radio so the player doesn't have to personally check in on every quest NPC. We should have a law enforcement.Am i really supposed to believe that people are hauling around hundreds of bottle caps so they can buy basic goods? In an in-game vacuum none of this makes sense. But as soon as you factor in outside elements everything makes perfect sense.Proper cities would mean more characters, more systems and mechanics and we know the engine is already coming apart. Long distance travel and communication would cut back on the Bethesda loop of "something to explore/loot/kill every 20 seconds" which is what people are playing these games for. Don't need to walk there because i can just call the NPC - less emergent gameplay. A functioning society would destroy the wild wasteland aspect because there would be more non-hostile NPCs traveling so you can't just shoot anyone you want anymore.All those ruins and abandoned buildings would get demolished or used as living space. There would be cargo trucks on the roads and maybe even public transportation. It would more Far Cry than Mad Max. Not to mention the effort it would take to build such a world. No studio could pull that off.
>>726021449> I am unhappy other kids are playing with a toy I haven't touched in forever.Maturity isn't universal I guess.
>>726025503>>726027449how would you know zoomie what was or not know during the late 90s/early 00s. you were nothing more then a itch in your deadbeat dads ball sack back then
>>726026797>niche RPG like first 2 Baldur Gatesretard
>>726027683look at you, so angry about games no one really played.this is how i know your entire personality revolved around wanting to belong to some kind of identity.you got bullied in high school as well, deservedly.
>>726027584just make it a separate universe. no reboots or remixes needed. Original east coast stuff would be time capsuled with FNV being its swansong. Whatever happens on the east coast or the wiki skimming writers for the TV thing do to the west coast would be irrelevant
>>726027158no they didn't and it was not dead just because the parent company was bankrupt because of shitty management. The IP had interested parties and would be bought up one way or another turning a classic into vydia equivalent of fast food isn't saving, its just skinning it to wear it as a mascot
>>726027825>just make it a separate universe. no reboots or remixes needed.All i want from Fallout is that Bethesda stops trying to tell me that in 200 years wastelanders are too lazy to pick up a broom.
>>726027965I always just remove one zero from the official beth timelines for fallout so their retardation hurts less>f3 takes place 20 years post war>f4 takes place 21 years post war I does not fix shit writing and world building but it does help explain why everything looks like India
>>726027953I am sure the buzzards were circling trying to cash in on the corpse of Fallout. Not a one had the ability to save the IP.Only Bethesda could have saved it from the scrapheap of history.Enough revisionist history.
>>726027283>>726027449>>726027636It's funny how when normalfags find themselves outmatched and too clueless to properly counter someone's arguments they just resort to bitching like angry roasties. Go take your HRT, normalsisters.
>>726027965>>in 200 years wastelanders are too lazy to pick up a broom.It's DC, everyone is a descended from politicians
>>726028167>nate the rake btw>ohnonono muh head canon not real btwIf Emil had any integrity as an artist he would have said something like "yes, that is nate. but it's his past and now it's up to you players to shape his future." and stick to his guns.
Like as a product? An IP, a continued franchise? Yes.As a story? No.
>>726028280> when outmatched resort to bitchingLike you did just now?
>>726028167It's really a shame. Bethesda is quite good at capturing the journey aspect but then they absolutely botch the writing and then add "QOL" features like fast travel for normies that completely destroy your sense of distance and make zero use of time, while also tying busy work like Settlements into the game. If they just had the writing put the game in a sensible time and designed actual outposts Fallout 4 on Survival would be great.
>>726028335> Twitter posts are canon.You would fit in with the TES crowd. They give no fucks about canon either.
>>726027584>post-apocalyptic worlds should have all the modern amenities of pre-apocalypse!how retarded are you anon? seriously? if too many people died off with proper knowledge of getting the world functioning again, you have to relearn everything.radiation everywhere causes you to get sick often.mutants that can easily kill a group of people are super common.you really dont understand the world you're trying to critique.
>>726015704have they done a directors cut/final edition of 3 yet?
>>726028450I've never once been taken out of game immersion because of fast travelyou sound like a little bitch.
>>726028450If sense of time and travel are important to you then you can indulge that aspect by not using fast travel.My guess is that is not good enough for you and you are mad people play the game "wrong".
>>726012234more like a giant SHIT
>>726028318I always thought it was a huge missed opportunity to not have downtown DC controlled by 2 factions perpetually at war that stemmed from people misunderstanding how political parties worked, and now they just larp as the red-and-blue tribe vs the blue-and-red tribe.
>>726028280no one thinks you're cool anon.you're just another retard on a retarded website.pathetic really.
>>726028280"arguments"this isn't one, faggot.F 1 - 2 are objectively bad gameplay wise.you've based your entire personality around your nostalgia for them to recognize this fact.go be a high school loser somewhere else.
>>726028669We can only imagine. Instead we got rangers and the other guys in black
>>726015704>>726025780Never played Wasteland. Should I start with 2? I've heard 1 is very tedious.
>>726028775>F 1 - 2 are objectively bad gameplay wise.Holy shit go back to red dit you fucking faggot nigger
>>726028614>>726028660Wow you guys really like Fast Travel. I'm not even discounting the concept just the execution. I like when fast travel is tied to in game resources, like a car, train, or aircraft and thus only accessible based on progress.
>>726028450Nothing really wrong with fast travel being an option. You're never forced to use it, anon.>tying busy work like Settlements into the gameI might be in the minority, but I think Settlements were the only form of roleplaying that worked in F4. I only wish the systems had been expanded in meaningful ways + there had been more building options in the base game. I think it's silly to assume they couldn't coexist with traditional settlements; Bethesda is just a shitty dev that rushes products to market.In my opinion, the character writing and quest narratives are the main thing holding F4 back, and having a voiced protagonist held back the modding scene significantly. Lack of interesting character build variety is also an issue.
>>726028520Anon. 200 years. TWO HUNDRED YEARS. Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were safe enough after a couple of years. Even Fallouts own game, 76, proves that the surface is fine after 25 years. And no, people don't just forget how to read or write or pour concrete or are just too retarded to learn in 200 years. That everything is shit for like 40 or 50 years, i can live with that but not for 200 years.
Are RPG fans all NPCs? Every thread is the same. Even this whole wasteland routine (the new games are awful goyslop btw) has repeated a billion times. Every thread is complete disengenous and extremely repetitive, and there's hundreds of them a day. It's extremely concerning.
>>7260289212 is fine, yeah. It's a good starting point, I played the Director’s Cut version. I tried to play 1’s remastered and the save system was just broken for some reason.
>>726028968In his defense TB iso is an acquired taste. Most anons weren't alive when that was the only meal on the menu so haven't acquired it.
>>726012185It was never good
>>726028997Good thing they don't force you to use it. They gave the player agency so use yours.
>>726029152>only meal on the menuYou need to clarify because there was already a shit ton of genres out there in 93
>>726012185depends on what you mean by 'save'the series would have been dead and buried if Interplay didn't sell the rights, but Bethesda turned the series into a mega hit that is massively popular with normalfags and that happening to a franchise is a fate I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy
>>726025226May we see them?
>>726025354not that anon, but for whatever reason, F:NV is apparently really popular with trannies and no one really knows why
>>726012185unthesda'd Fallout would have had a kickstarter revival around 2012 as a real CRPG with a similar plot to FNV.
>>726029256When developers assume the player can just fast travel that also effects how they design quests and other stuff. The whole Settlement system, if heavily used, necessitates semi frequent returns to Sanctuary and other locations regardless of where you are on the map. Likewise many quests take you back and forth between major locations multiple times.
>>726028775>F 1 - 2 are objectively bad gameplay wise.I mean, its generally about as good as most CRPGs at the time, if you don't like mid 90's CRPG's, you sure as fuck won't like Fallout 1/2
>>726017520Todd Howard used his wizard powers to curse Obsidian for making a better game than him with the engine he created.
>>726028872I know its my own personal autism, and I understand a lot of it is simply engine limitations and brand-recognition, but it always bothered me that DC was a desert wasteland. In reality DC is built on a swamp, and the only thing keeping it from being a swamp still is some of the earliest efforts of the army corps of engineers. If you had a situation where none of that was maintained for hundreds of years, DC should have been a half-sunk swamp. Sort of like point lookout, but the entire map. The government clears out for summer recess for no other reason than the founding fathers had to fuck off out of town because the mosquitos were so thick that yellow fever burnt through the city. Would have been cool to see a dark swampy overgrown DC, with giant irradiated mosquitos giving you all kinds of nasty status effects. It had to be a desert wasteland the same reason they had to have the brotherhood and supermutants show up (they're the things you know), but it didn't need to be that way. Fallout 1 and 2 it was a wasteland desert because its California, most of the state is basically like that now. But its DC, they could have had a power armor faction be the remnants of the rest of the government who weren't in the deep state enclave. The city is lousy with bunkers from the cold wars that aimed to preserve the continuity of government.
Bethesda is extremely uncreative.
>>726029993Just like wearing robe in the desert became something Jedi just wear all the sudden.Robes ARE cool and wise, but george was just lazy
>>726030341Being too creative his how you get stuff like Fallout 2 and the Laser Musket. I don't need creativity, I just want a really solid 3d Fallout game with good looking weapons and armor.
>>726029438Not for RPGs.Try arguing in good faith next time.
>>726025721>4
>>726030341Picrel
>>726029559So nothing in your response explains how you can't play the game the way you like.They gave you the agency to enjoy the game the way you want.Stop caring others don't share your view.
>>726030439Nah, maybe Rage or Borderlands are more your thing.
>>726030797> I am on charge of what you should enjoy.How is that working out for you?
>>726030364Or how tatooine, which exists in the first movie to represent the ass end of of the ass end of nowhere, where nothing important has literally ever happened. Its so remote and unimportant that the galactic civil war is just a rumor. But over the course of the prequels and the EU it becomes one of the most important locations in the universe. In dune it makes sense Arrakis has undue influence since its the single source of the most important thing in the known universe. But tatooine is just a shit hole that produces nothing of value to export.
>>726029058two hundred years is the difference between modern day and the fucking napoleonic wars kek
>>726015941bethesda WISHES they could have done this
>>726030793Yes it does? The game is designed with the assumption of Fast Travel. This makes aspects of the game designed with that assumption tedious to those who want to not use it. It's a very simple logic.>Stop caring others don't share your viewWhy would you I assume I care if you share my view. I'm expressing an opinion on a videogame board.
>>726029553I think if Troika would have gotten it but still bankrupted then Obsidian would have eventually picked it up around the time of kickstartering. That or Inixile
>>726031078I never played 76 but the Secret Service armors look pretty good and works better for the bulkier power armor concept of their games. Though part of me misses the more streamlined style.
>>726029058IIRC the bombs used in fallout were explicitly made to be dirty. In the cold war a lot of the counter strikes were about spite, and both sides had plans to basically poison the heartlands of each side specifically to deny it to people coming out of the bunkers in 100 years, or whatever.
>>726024783i miss this hippo
>>726031051No idea what you're trying to say.
>>726013772This is reason why beth era was not total loss, but NV is really old now
>>726031308even bethesda gave up on that shit, 76 takes place only a short while afterwards and everything is green and grown. despite being directly hit
>>726031308>IIRC the bombs used in fallout were explicitly made to be dirty.But 76 is set 25 years after the bombs.
>>726031078This is what T-60 should have been. Say that it's a Brotherhood modified version of the X-02. Don't know why they felt the need to retcon in an entirely new PA for something that looks identical to the T-45.
>>726030797I like how you named two games explicitly trying to be quirky and creative
>>726030603>Try arguing in good faith next time.I didn't have an argument until you answered my question faggot. That's why i asked. I only needed to explain yourself instead of getting preemptively butt hurt that your argument is shit. Which it isRPGs are better with dice rolls because you would otherwise blur the line with what an RPG is like with F3 and 4
>>726029058200 years isn’t that long, because you can’t just start counting the day after the bombs dropped. The surface would have been a mega shithole for atleast a few decades.
>>726031374>>726031402The last fallout game I played was vegas. Nothing I've seen or heard about 4 or 76 makes me question my judgement. I always remembered a rumor about 3 that it was originally supposed to take place much earlier in the timeline. I appreciated that 3 was set on the east coast. I played the first two games when they were new, and by setting it on the other side of the country it pretty much left the original games intact, and you can look the other way when they lifted the franchise elements and grafted them on (even if it doesn't make sense with what is established in the other games).
>>726031417I like how you typed words using your keyboard
>>726031764You're welcome
>>726015941>>726021165>>726031078There are some issues with lore and aesthetics but I'm willing to forgive them, same with some gameplay stuff I really wished for ability to control entire squad in future main Fallouts, but companion stuf was downplayed in even more Also my favorite version of BoS
>>726031441>RPGs are better with dice rollsIt depends. Sometimes a dice roll on skill checks doesn't make any sense. Like in BG3, I'm a +6 charisma warlock demigod who has been saving people left and right, but if I am trying to sweet talk someone out of something inconsequential, a one-in-twenty chance of failing that check feels more like an annoying artifact than good gameplay. It works fine if you're only so-so in that skill or ability, but after a point there's no reason an insane retarded barbarian with a club should fail an intimidating check. Or a game where you have a lockpick skill thats 100% and you still have to do the lockpick minigame. At that point its OK if the game accepts that you can do this shit through force of will alone. Also I feel like whenever it is a percentage or dice roll, it just encourages savescumming because failing an 85% chance feels shitty, and if its a really low percent then you're probably trying to min-max anyway.
>>726012185Yes, but I'm not sure it's a good thing.Though I guess the second best game in the series also wouldn't exist without them.
>>726032130Nta, but you can turn critical fails off in BG3. It's also a system that isn't designed for those allergic to failure. It's a roleplaying facilitator. Sometimes even a master fucks up at something.
>>726013705>Troika era Tim Kaine>making a masterpieceContrarians seriously need to stop unduly glazing Arcanum and VTMB, it's worrisome that people are starting to believe those games are good.
>>726029540New Vegas has the largest speed running community out of any of the fallouts. In my head that explains why there's so many trannies.
>>726028389>>726028683>>726028775Jesus christ, normalfags are genuinely incapable of NOT acting like women/angry children when they're losing an argument.Just go back to r*ddit. Plenty of fellow console normalfags with shit taste there. Shitting on actual Fallout games isn't making you look better.
>>726031556Just for you i'm typing up a timeline that i think would make sense.>boom>year 1>everything sucks, people eating rats and scavenging ruins>hunters and gatherers, caravans>year 10>tribes exist, barter system, agriculture, basic education>primitive professions, using scrap to build structures, militias to defend them>year 50>towns exist, coin based currency(maybe caps), proper supply/demand economy>local laws, governments and military>year 100>indoor plumbing and basic utilities for the whole town>paved roads, two way radios, progression from caps, maybe paper moneyAnd from now on Fallout, the way Bethesda wants it, wouldn't be Fallout anymore.
>>726028775>F 1 - 2 are objectively bad gameplay wise.No they're not. You not ENJOYING isometric turn-based games doesn't make it objectively bad.
>>726032130BG3 sounds like a shit game
>>726032419>New Vegas has the largest speed running community out of any of the falloutsthat honestly explains it in ways nothing else ever could
>>726029540Liking FNV and shitting on F3 became the popular thing so trannies latched onto it for approval. Nothing more, nothing less
>>726032362it ain't Tim Gays and Troikas fault you have shit taste
>>726032761>trannies watched hbomberfags fallout videos>the fanbase has never been able to recover
>>726031715>The last fallout game I played was vegas. >Nothing I've seen or heard about 4 or 76 makes me question my judgement.Fallout now is just a Bethesda game and if you're into that loop and able to overlook the inconsistencies then it's damn good - with mods. But basic Fallout 4 played as a Fallout game is just a bad time.
>>726032708it is
>>726032362VTMB is good-ish up to a point. Arcanum is a hugely off-putting game from the very beginning, and its popularity is owed entirely to its resemblance to classic Fallout. If someone was really sorely, desperately in need of something like Fallout in the 2000s, Arcanum was as close as they could get, and they might have been willing to deal with all the downsides if they occasionally, for just a few fleeting moments, felt like they were playing a new Fallout.
>>726032506> Not capable of not acting like women Like you did just now?
>>726032972I never finished dungeon siege. Should I?
>>726013772NV was shit in comparison to Van Buren and I'm forever butthurt that it all but shitcanned Dodge's Hoover Dam
>>726031441Are you the guy with all the boogeymen?He is usually the only anon that struggles with reading comprehension.
>>726033250>NO UUUUU!Said the faggot that is totally not mad
>>726032640No, you’re thinking post Industrial Revolution scale. It’s going to be way slower than that. Fallout is mostly correct. The pockets of industry that survived like the institute would be way beyond “paved roads”.
>>726033394If you need usernames in order to form your arguments you should go back to red dit
>>726031098Where did they stop you from not walking back and forth as you prefer?Use the agency they gave you.
>>726032761Literally everyone believed that almost a whole decade before that video came out, because New Vegas is objectively superior to 3 in quite literally every single aspect.
>>726032868>with modsmods just make Bethesda even more lazy, compounding the problem
>>726033412More emotional outbursts.Very common among those that realize they are overmatched.
>>726033567Yes but people started making videos on yt about it and they got millions of views and so this became a mainstream thing
>>726033667>NO UUUU!!!2 for 2. I'm doubling my bet
>>726032761>>726032854Fallout fans always shat on Fallout 3, normalfags. The "Fanbase" you speak of are console trannies who got told Fallout is "Oblivion with guns".>>726033250The whore sure is mad.
>>726033506I am just trying to determine if it is one poorly educated anon or if he is getting reinforcements.
>>726033535Anon, it's a videogame. I'm not obligated to partake in tedium because my ideal game format doesn't match up with how the developers chose to structure quest progression.
>>726033817Go back kid
>>726033758Still seething l see.That time of the month?Never argue when you are on your period. You get to easily baited.
>>726033776> The whore sure is mad.I will take your word for it.
>>726033478>Fallout is mostly correct.No, the picture i was drawing was on the level of 1920/30s dustbowl america. Towns where you had to go to the post office to make a phone call. But the issue is that, with 3 and 4, Bethesda is trying to tell us that in 210 years nobody has picked up a broom when we had New Reno and Shady Sands 100 years before that. Sure, those are those fabled pockets of civilization but they would have spread in the time since - not disappeared.
>NO UUUU!I can't stop winning. It's like taking candy from a baby
>>726033830> Walking back and forth is tedious.They learnd that lesson way back from Morrowind. That is why we have fast travel.
>>726032356Its one of those things that you can avoid in tabletop because your DM can use discretion with skill checks. If you're a master thief with maxed dexterity and you're trying to sneak into a window, you might not get the same athletics check that the paladin in full plate armor and the dexterity of a rhinoceros would necessitate. I don't have a problem with dice rolls in theory, and on table top they make a lot of sense because you can simplify a lot of things by just using dice as RNG across any range of numbers you want and then add and subtract modifiers from that. But in a game, you've got access to something that can keep track of a lot more things. And yeah, if you're the best gun-guy ever, you can still have your weapon jam, or ammo fail, but at the same time, if you're checking the weapon of a new recruit of [faction] and you have 100% small arms skill, then there shouldn't logically be any chance of you not being able to inspect the weapon and notice the bent firing pin... or whatever. I just prefer skill checks to be a yes or no. If you only have a science skill of 5 and you're talking to a scientist about quantum mechanics, there shouldn't be any chance you could manage to blurt out the answer to the uncertainty principle (without some savant perk, or talking to someone else before hand who can help you bullshit your way through). Like my dad has changed the oil on his cars a hundred times, in a game with dice rolls, he should have, at least once, critically failed the oil change and blown up the car. But that hasn't happened, and wont ever happen. And again, I'm blowing this way out of proportion, but its just always been one of those things in video games that you can't really get away from that are always just kind of weird.
>>726033615And Bethesda was aware of that even making Oblivion. I forgot which of their designers said it in the Oblivion documentary, but he was like "why bother with that when the community is going make a mod anyway." And today we have "creations" and it's been well over a decade since the last game. Go figure.
>>726033917So no reinforcements.Good. This place is bad enough already.
>>726034063Washington had limited access to potable water and Boston was semi developed before collapsing back into small communities due to their inability to deal with threats.In a vacuum with limited setback your ideas of human development could be correct but Fallout has Super Murants and Deathclaws.
>>726034158Morrowind had plenty of fast travel options, most players were too braindead to use them, shit like recall and intervention are more convenient than conventional fast travel in later games since you can do it while both encumbered and inside an interior cell
>>726034236Go make your drama on red dit you underage retard
>>726032868I've honestly been done with them since skyrim. I sank hundreds of hours into the game, and enjoyed it well enough, but I could also see the trajectory of their games, and it was reaching that point where I just wasn't excited for the next thing at all. Fallout 4, and then No man's skyrim hasn't given me any real confidence that I want to engage in even more mindless wandering between settlements desperately trying to make my own fun out of it all. I was mildly intrigued by the idea of base building in 4, but it sounds poorly implemented.
>>726034312Yes there was a lot of tedium involved in Morrowinds travel system.We established it was the driving force behing the implementation of ,what is colloquially known as, fast travel.
You'd think that Fallout humanity would colonize some celestial objects in our system before the whole meme war. With such nuclear proliferation it would be piss easy to justify nuclear engines in our atmosphere or just using explosions to propel forward shit ala project Orion.Or even having nuclear ramjets still bombing the land even after the war
>>726034339So many emotional outbursts.Heavy flow day?
>>726012185They 'saved' it in the same way making a zombie brings somebody back to life. Sure they're...Standing...Sort of? Shuffling really.But there's no more soul in them and they keep trying to eat your brains.Maybe dead is better.
>>726012234Bethesda are probably absolutely seething that they couldn't get it out in time for either season of the Amazon show.
>>726012185i wish Fallout was more like ARC Raiders (but set in the Fallout universe)more gritty world, no power everywhere, more realistic ghouls/super mutants, better decay, etc.
>>726034571>NO UUU!do normies not understand when they are being mocked?
>>726034276>but Fallout has Super Murants and DeathclawsThey also have energy weapons, power armor and vertibirds. I can absolutely imagine struggling with mutants and wildlife for a couple decades, but not 200 years. Theres probably a good 15 thousand people in the greater Boston area, if 10% of them are combat able and ready they could clean up that place in a couple years, set up defenses and keep it secure.
>>726034753Apparently not.
>>726034459I honestly believe they've never made a good game, even other haters always make an exception for Daggerfall or Morrowind, but quite frankly those games are terrible even judging solely by the standards of their time period. I honestly don't get how people can stomach playing their games for longer than a couple hours assuming they have at least average IQ.
>>726032362Yeah, they are not good, they are fucking GREAT.
so what was the deal with this game?
>>726034158Morrowind has fast travel, and didn't really need it because most of it's story and quests were designed correctly wuth it's open world in mind. The answer is to design your game to encourage a forward focused progression to your journey. The problem isn't doing chores for a town that facilitate exploration and discovery in the area around the town, it's when the game tells you to "walk back" to somewhere you were hours ago to prompt narrative reasons for you to then move forward. With the assumption you'll fast travel. That kills the sense of forward momentum.
>>726034732But modern Fallout is already a corporate product.
>>726034732> I wish Fallout was more like Madden 26.Did you try actually playing games you enjoy instead of complaining games you don't like aren't more like the game you would rather be playing?
Toilet bowl armor.
>>726034796Most of the communities we see don't have access to those things. In fact it's typically raiders who do. You're assuming a level of cooperation that doesn't exist. Specifically because the Institute which does have those resources is actively sabotaging the development of Boston.
>Nuka Cola is an obvious joke being a fictional version of Coca Cola>Classic blue bottle design, company probably started in the late 1800's >Skip ahead 25 years and Bethesda is making new lore/assets for their game>Nuka Cola is now made in the 2040's (????)>Except this is contradicted because the very same game shows bottles of it in the 1940's>Bottle isn't cool blue glass, and is shaped like a dumbass rocket for no reasonBethesda has some dumb belief the 'nuka' means nuclear, when that's not at all what it fucking means.
>>726034459>I was mildly intrigued by the idea of base building in 4, but it sounds poorly implemented.Again, broken record. Fallout 4 Vanilla anything is bad and mods can make it much better. Especially Sim Settlements makes them much more alive and dynamic but it can't wash away the bad taste of the base game.
>>726034894Morrowind didn't need fast travel because it was tiny. Once you realized Jump or Levitation was far more efficient the pace of play improved.
>>726034521In the games we see that they were on the verge of it. But ultimately its a setting about a post apocalyptic atom-powered parallel reality. Not about the human diaspora into space. That being said, I've always thought some place like thistledown would be a badass setting for a game. Imagine a GTA type game set on a city built on the inside of an asteroid, or a rotating habitat like a stanford torus or o'neill cylinder. Or even a fucking ring-world. You solve the problem of invisible walls by simply changing the geometry. And you can use the same tricks as always to hide the draw distance and cells loading in.
>>726034876Desperate attempt to save the company by getting mass appeal on the at the time “EXTREME” audience. Also it had Bawls energy drink as a sponsor so product placement is all over the games including Nuka Cola caps being replaced with Bawls caps. As far as gameplay it’s an action RPG and you play from a top down perspective. It’s also extremely linear little to no exploration.
>>726034876>https://youtu.be/uklIIIpPBbEIt's the best fallout spin off that is not a mod
>>726034876It was a weird spin-off and a lot more action than RPG. Figuratively speaking, it was Fallout 3 but for a smaller audience than the mouthbreathing 360 generation.
You can only make fun of ye old US consumerism of 50s-70s(that barely anyone remembers) for so long before it gets boring
>>726034876imagine if the entire collective human consciousness came together at one moment and did pic related Now turn that into a video game Much like Robocop 3, I suspect it doesn't actually exist, and is just a memory aliens implant when they're probing your anus so you don't get suspicious about the lost time. >B-but I've seen robocop 3No you haven't. You had an alien in your butt.
>>726035107>You're assuming a level of cooperation that doesn't exist.I keep coming back to the timespan of 200 years. Whole empires rise and fall in two centuries. There are broken down tanks and APCs all over Boston that nobody fixed up in all those years. Even if it had taken 100 years for someone to start doing something about the mutants and wildlife, downtown would be safe by now. Even the gunners and other raiders would have pitched in, at least until it's safe enough for normal traffic which they then can ambush and become a problem for the law/military.
>>726035194Yes, but I'd argue a bigger open world isn't inherently better. Open World is good when there are obstacles and problems that force you to find detours or explore the area. That's kind of an issue with Skyrim. Despite there being a war on nothing ever blocks your way. It's all just sightseeing based on whatever the player feels like doing.Ulterior travel methods based on skill/story progression are fine. Though I'd say Morrowind was flawed in allowing the player to access these early due to broken magic system.But these things are dropped to make the game more enjoyable to a casual playerbase who will only play for under an hour a session and may not remember what the goal was.
>>726034810>NO UUU!lol that's all you can say. Do you even know what it means?
>>726012234Only if it's a remake and not a remaster with UE5 caked on top
>>726035709>Whole empires rise and fall in two centuriesLarge scale empires are typically facilitated by pre-existing Imperial structures.Alexander essentially usurped the Persian Empire, Mongols yoinked large scale polities in China, Most of Rome was just Romans claiming dominion of the Meditteranean community of nations.Point is none of them are "starting from scratch" like Bostonians after a nuclear Holocaust would.
>>726036047Why? Oblivion Remaster was really good.
>>726035709>There are broken down tanks and APCs all over BostonJust to play doubles advocate, at least with a car you've got a bunch of spare parts lying around, but with military hardware you can't just replace a lot of that shit with off the shelf parts. Also every single o-ring is going to be rotted to shit, so your fuel lines and engine seals are going to be swiss cheese at best. I had to eventually get rid of my beloved old car because all the rubber in the wiring harness had just dry-rotted to the point where it was constantly shorting out. I remember talking to my mechanic, and he threw out a number as a joke, and we both laughed because I spent 800 bucks on the car 10 years ago, and for that money could just buy something made in this century. Also gas goes bad pretty fast.
>>726036181>Also every single o-ring is going to be rotted to shit, so your fuel lines and engine seals are going to be swiss cheese at best.And yet you can plug a fusion core into any power armor that's been standing there for two centuries and it will work.
>>726036138It added more bugs and glitches.
>>726036138Because Fallout 3/NV were just Oblivion with guns, and the guns felt like shit. FO4's power armors are just better tooAt the very least they need to implement NV's weapon mods and ammo types
>>726036310Yeah fair enough. In general though, once a car has sat for too long you're not getting it running again without a lot of work. Assuming it wasn't properly mothballed.
>>726036138>really goodit didn't fix bugs that existed in the original for nearly 20 years, ones that have been very well documented, it was a slap job, the highest effort was adding extra VA's that somehow have worse delivery than the originals did
>>726027430>calling Oblivion 'excellent'Weak bait.
>>726036064Well not quite from scratch. People can read/write and survive well enough to thrive. But even if it takes them 150 years, downtown should be safe by now. They probably would have picked up most of the scrap to build stuff in the first couple decades. All the cars and machines, if they can't fix them they would have pulled them apart. Just like you will never see a medieval town surrounded by dense woods. It's a resource.
>>726036706Oblivion was the most soulful
>>726036918Mod?
>>726036753>People can read/write and survive well enough to thriveKind of a big assumption.
>>726036561Plus, y'know, The Nukes
>>726035965> Still seething.Take a Midol sweetie.
>>726029058I don't think it's that implausible. You have places IRL where people live in permanent ruins like Haiti or somalia, without a stable society there can be no rebuilding.
>>726012185The normalfags screeching about changing everything to make it into a Fallout 4 clone (Fallout 4 was already a soft remake of 3) will cause bethesda to fuck it up and remove everything that made the original good. Nobody that lobs normalfag criticism at fallout 3 should be taken seriously. Fatass long legged 15 minute battery life goofy ass looking Fallout 4 power armor being a prime example of unneeded poor aesthetic and mechanical changes from previous games.
>>726036706> Calling an excellent game excellent is bait on nu/v/.Fuck off tourist.
>>726037025>Kind of a big assumption.I mean they evidently can. They have built several communities and are able to defend them. Taking the town building by building, street by street over several years if not decades isn't that much of a stretch.
>>726037312Everything bad Bethesda does is to essentially capture the attention and memory of spastic normies.
>>726037303>Haiti or somaliaFor how long have they been fucked tho? We're talking about 200 years here. Look at Ukraine, the whole country is a mess right now. Give them maybe a decade or two and they'll be fine again. Sure, with NATO countries help but that will only speed up the process, not make it possible at all.
>>726025707Probably some hidden secret contract that states bethesda can't do that anymore because amazon or whoever the fuck has dictated that Fallout is going to be used to push woke propaganda from now on, and good storytelling isn't part of or necessary for that agenda
>>726037584Try Paris. Letting darkies flood the Country has Paris looking worse than it did 200 years ago.
>>726037203>NO UUU!>againYou don't even know what I'm saying. Sad
>>726037384I don't dispute the likelihood of an intercommunity trade route or communication lines, I just don't think that leads into as united as a polity as you think. Fiat currency and paved roads especially is extremely unlikely and are the result of much larger and much more stable polities.
>>726037717Nah, bethesda has the rights to do whatever they want. And we know these streaming companies don't give a shit about the IP besides mining recognizable things from it (Remember the halo show?)
>>726012185Yes and no they own it made more games so yes but no in story and lore they've killed it now its just a theme park with fallout wallpaper.
>>726037434Indeed
>>726037760The Midol didn't help? Try a damp washcloth over your eyes and take a nap toots.
>>726037730Paris was always comically overrated now Paris just reflects reality.
>>726037913If Fallout 4's power armor was an actual late game find after a long quest or at the end of a very treacherous location instead of in the first town outside of Sanctuary, it would have been amazing.
>>726037838There was a ton of woke propaganda in the show and don't forget about the subtext that the big bad illuminati corporation (that's totally not an amazon stand in) was actually in control the whole time, started the war and somehow has survived it and even is nuking upstart civilizations off the map even though previous games basically made out Vault Tec to be dead and gone
>>726012185>Did Bethesda save this franchise?lol noBethesda didn’t save anything, they just slapped their house style onto a classic and prayed no one would notice.FO3 was baby’s-first-Fallout, NV carried the entire post-Interplay era on its back, and FO4 was “Skyrim With Friends You Can’t Romance Properly™.” Interplay was a mess, sure, but at least the writing had teeth.If anything saved Fallout, it was:>Obsidian doing unpaid overtime like abused modders>Eastern Euro schizos making jank mods in basements>The brand name being too profitable to dieBethesda didn’t save Fallout, Fallout survived despite Bethesda.
>>726038104He thinks power armor being a heavy piece of clothing instead of a battery-limited invulnerable mech powerhouse is better and le "sovl"
>>726025707My guess is it's because they were scared off by New Vegas' bad launch. Luckily for them it was a great game otherwise but I guess they didn't want to risk outsourcing a game for one of their flagship IPs going horribly bad (atleast not until 76) Nowadays they seem to be going for remasterslop to fill the gaps in releases which are probably cheaper and quicker to pump out than entirely new games built from the ground up.
>>726037985Paris is a great City whose people do not deserve her.
>>726038104They'd have to get rid of the microfusion packs or whatever the fuck they were for me to consider it, and remove the robotic hands and have it just be the characters hands again. >>726038357Fatass
1 and 2 are considered great, Tactics and BoS not so much, so I'd say unless Van Buren was a hit, I think 3 did save the franchise, at least financially.Wether or not you like the direction is another question.
>>726012234
>>726038357The only part I don't like is the battery operated bit, which I think was added due to the early game access of what has always been an endgame piece of gear. I could go either way with Power armor being more ergonomic as it's implied in Fallout 1 and 2 or chunkier as it is in Fallout 4. The problem with 4s design is that it doesn't really suit the weaponry available in the game outside of the Miniguns. Paladins walking around with plasma guns and machine guns look silly. I think they should add a dedicated power armor arsenal that isn't usable outside of power armor, unless you have like 10 strength or something. high caliber handcannons, integrated power fists, shoulder mounted missiles, shit like that.
>>726038703What do you think POWER stands for in the power armor?
>>726038849Faith in jesus?
Fuck you, here's the original lore for the T-45 model power armor >The T-45d power armor was the first version of power armor to be successfully deployed in battle by the United States in 2067 during the Sino-American War. The first version was powered by small energy cells and it burned through them at an alarming rate. Some later versions were either manufactured or retrofitted by the US Army with built-in microfusion packs, a technology that was developed later by West Tek.While the T-45d armor is similar in its overall shape to the more advanced T-51b power armor, it is significantly less advanced than its later counterpart, and uses riveted steel plates instead of plastic composite materials in its construction. Various electronic and mechanical subsystems of the armor are exposed on the outside of its casing rather than sealed within as in the T-51b, making it far more susceptible to damage. In addition, a specialized body suit is required to be worn underneath the T-45d's armored shell in order to facilitate linking the armor's servos to the wearer's own motions and to make the armor more bearable because of its heat dissipation problems.
August 2065: The need for increased mobility among the units of the US Army Mechanized Cavalry leads the American government's defense contractors to focus their research on the development of a man-based tank - the ultimate result is powered Infantry armor.2065 - 2067: Research and development into power armor intensifies among the different firms involved in the project and several prototypes are developed, many of which prove to be unworkable once they are deployed in the field. These prototypes paved the way for several major future advances in materials science, robotics, and nuclear fusion technology in the decade before the outbreak of the Great War.Summer 2066: The first crude nuclear microfusion cell is unveiled, one of the civilian technological spin-offs of the power armor project. The new technology is soon incorporated into a wide variety of consumer goods, including robots and automobiles. It begins to alleviate the terrible energy shortages plaguing the United States, but was unable to fully alleviate the world's energy problems before the outbreak of the Great War in 2077 made the problem moot. Ironically, had the fusion microcell technology had more time to disseminate across the globe from the United States, it would have solved most of the world's energy problems, thus ending the need for the armed conflicts that ultimately lead to the downfall of human civilization.2067: The first suit of T-45d power armor is deployed for combat duty among American infantrymen fighting the Chinese occupation of Alaska. While lacking the full mobility of future versions of the armor, this early suit of power armor is incredibly effective against conventional Chinese tanks and infantry. Its ability to allow a single infantryman to carry heavy ordnance becomes key in various localized conflicts during the Sino-American War, and it has the power to destroy entire towns without endangering the wearer from attacks by conventional firearms or even missile launchers.
>>726038849Are you saying this to excuse the batteries? Because that's silly. The whole original concept was that they were nuclear powered and could operate for a century.
>>726038337The truth is Fallout 1 was literally babies first Fallout.Bethesda perfected Fallout.
>>726013772If you would please consult the chart
>>726039123To be fair, they were always batteries in the sense they were fusion power cells. They were just good batteries that would last for ages, even on standby.
>>726037816I think that Bethesda was trying to reset the world with 76. That is why it's been 10 years since the last proper game. Maybe they are even waiting for Fallout 4 to fade from memory and reboot the series or move on like nothing happened. You have to keep in mind that Fallout 3 and NV by now are 17 and 15 years old. The average Fallout fan has never played those games, much less 1 and 2. They don't know that there are proper cities with governments. To them Fallout is people living in shacks made of scrap, scavenging ruins and fighting mutants, not sure they even know that it's been 200 years.So in universe, there is no explanation for the state of the world that makes sense. No matter how far you want to stretch the notion that people might not be working together. But as soon as you factor in outside elements, and the difficulties of game development, everything makes sense.
>>726039123So do you now ignore the 200 years of waiting? Most cells would give out by the time Fallout starts
>>726039337>they were always batteriesThat depends on what your definition of battery is. Power armor was initially powered by an integrated microfusion pack. It's not a nuclear charged battery that lasts for 100 years. It was a tiny nuclear generator continuously outputting power for 100 years.
>>726039485That's not how nuclear power works, it's not like an acid battery. If fission/fusion is not being maintained then it's just an inert piece of metal. Only in use would the microfusion packs begin to wear out and even then the 100 year lifespan is just an estimate, it could very likely be more.
>>726039485Well for starters I wouldn't set the game to be taking place that far in the future. The Post-Post apocalypse fags can suck it. But if you really were married to it, You'd either have to get the power armor from a faction with the technology to maintain them like the BoS or Institute, have the skills to build your own Microfusion packs from fissile materials, or perhaps just find some longer lasting prototype in some dangerous area.
>>726039638>That depends on what your definition of battery is.The definition that proves me correct, obviously. And battery doesn't automatically mean disposable AA's. They use atomic batteries for deep space probes, they're batteries, but they're also designed to operate far beyond the mission's lifespan.
>>726012185In the same way that doctors 'save' a bedbound 97 year old from dying so they can spend several more years bedbound hooked up to machines just barely keeping them alive and coherent enough to be miserable the whole time.
>>726039867RTGs aren't batteries
>>726012185ugh was new vegas worth 3,4 and 67- i mean 76?...yeah, worth it.
>>726039867Atomic batteries aren't batteries either, that's just a laymen's term. They're also not using the same function as power armor which literally runs on a small scale microfusion.I more so meant if you thought battery was just an acceptable term for anything you plug in and power something with. My point being that such a broad term for battery is meaningless.
>>726012185No. They made it worse.
>>726039867Pretty sure it isn't a collection of artillery pieces or physical assault.Hope that narrows it down.
>>726040187> You can tell it is bad because so many people enjoy it now.Sure is hipster in here.
>>726040672A lot of people enjoy fast food.
>>726040783Nowt better slop on a drunken bender ladsworthSimple as
>>726040672There is a difference between not liking something because it's popular and not liking something because it's been designed to appeal to broad audiences, which for videogames means more casual players. That does heavily influence design changes in ways people looking for more immersive and engaging experiences will typically dislike.
>>726041028Hipster logic.
>>726041323Done him
>>726040783A lot of people eat fast food. I don't think many rave about it. Even fewer blather on about how it isn't fine dining.
>>726041028> It isn't bad because many people it. It is bad because it was meant to be enjoyed by many people.
>>726041484>redditor getting destroyedLove to see it
>>726041709It is easy to dunk on redditors when they use food analogies.Newfriend should have used "A million flies..." to avoid being revealed as a tourist.
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>>726036918>oblivion>soulfulHoly shit, normalfag...>>726037312>implying fallout 3 was goodLMAO
>>726038104>If Fallout 4's power armor was an actual late game find after a long quest or at the end of a very treacherous location instead of in the first town outside of Sanctuary, it would have been amazing.Theres a fun mod for 4 that removes almost all PA and frames from the game/vendors, and leaves a few handplaced pieces scattered around the map to find. The suit in sanctuary only has a badly damaged chest piece on it, and you wont even complete a raider set until you visit lots of early level locations and find some pieces down in bunkers or big raider camps. It also gives PA sets more durability since they are so hard to find, and makes upgrading harder and based on your skill levels like science and armorer.The only downside is its old as fuck, and hasnt been updated in a long time, so theres some sets here and there that got added in updates that the mod doesnt remove. I really wish somebody would update it or make a new superior version.Some Assembly Requiredhttps://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/44235?tab=descriptionan update to it by another person, thats also oldhttps://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/44235?tab=description
