What went so right?
Nothing
>>726025202the setting and atmosphere
Nothing went right, paradox NIGGERPrime 5, get fucking raped out of existence before my eyes
>The story.>Rewritten Fabien.>The soundtrack.>The casting. It's an excellent cast.>Most of the combat system.>The vibes.
>>726025698You are a raped to death dog, paradox nigger
Fabien is the greatest Malkavian ever written.
>>726025286it's kinda hard to fuck up a game with wampyric gothic themes and yet they were able to
>>726026510I wouldn't really characterize VTM as gothic.
>>726026484Ayooo paradox NIGGER posted it again
>>726026570
>>726026570>paradox NIGGER doesn't know the setting he's shilling for on behalf of raped swedes
>>726025202I regret buying this shit
>>726026607The funniest part is that he's samefagging trying to keep the thread bumped >>726026484>>726025698
>>726026654That was Bloodlines from 2004. VTM as a brand shifted focus a long time ago.
>>726026734He even used the same user name! Not trying to hide it at all.
>>726026607It's a kino image, so I'll keep on posting it.
>>726026734Remember that every dish needs a particular spice when posting in shill threads>>726026796AHAHAHAHAHAHA dumb fucking dalit post this shit when whipped and commanded toEnjoy your pagpag with the 3 rupees for getting a (you)>>726026863>REPLIES: 0>0>ZERO
Some of the stuff around The Gardener screams "rewrites". For example, remember how Willem talks about how he had to create chaos in the court by disappearing, so "he could strike". But The Gardener doesn't strike anyone. It seems to me that originally The Gardener was a different character or played a different role in the story, although the idea of him being a Malkavian that spoke to people in dreams seems to have always been a thing.
>>726026970Nobody fucking asked, paradox nigger
>>726026970>remember how Willem talks about how he had to create chaos in the court by disappearing, so "he could strike".No
>>726026484Absolutely adorable.
>>726026683I've never heard VTM v5 described as "gothic punk". That kinda looks like one of the older editions, but I could be wrong.
>726027153Kill yourself, paradox nigger
>>726027030The Willem scene came from really early in development. Versions of this go back to mid-ish-2023 with very few differences. It's not super clear how the story worked originally. Lou saying things like, "I will wait for you" in the reveal trailer are hard to parse in the context of what the plot became.
>>726027245Damn they're too fucking retarded to write a coherent story? I thought writing a story is what the studio is known for
>726027245Does your owner know you're using some creep's longplay for commercial purposes to advertise in blatant violation of fair use?
My theory is that the original version of The Gardener was something closer to Mr Damp mixed with The Baron from Hardsuit's game. (The Baron was Therese, I believe, since Damp was Vandal.)
>>726027470You have not a single theory of your own, paradox nigger
>>726027153Very little positive has been said about v5
>>726027282The writer left in 2023, and his story was partially rewritten, and part of the rewrite was turning Fabien into a Malkavian which had a series of ripple effects on the game.They didn't have the money for some of the changes they wanted to make, so they had to utilize existing content and paste the new story over it as best as they could.
>>726027708>"writer" """left""">as if they kept anythingCrazy ministry of truth retcon to rape mitsoda with, buddy
>>726027951He's talking about his buttbuddy, the TCR writer no one has ever heard of, not about Mitsoda. HSL got fired in like 2020 or something
>>726027951Who said anything about Brian Mitsoda? The guy who wrote Bloodlines 2's story was Dan Pinchbeck. He left the project because he hated working on AAA games.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyWDyNLAo1E
>>726028213Interesting interview.>We used to sit there and go and have these planning sessions of how do we get them to not call it Bloodlines 2. That feels like the most important thing we do here is to come at this and say this isn't Bloodlines 2. You can't make Bloodlines 2. There's not enough time. There's not enough money. And Bloodlines 1 came out at a really interesting period in game development when it was the same time as games like Stalker and Shenmue when you could ship a really ambitious game that was full of bugs and holes, was totally flawed, but the ambition was really exciting.>A lot of those games, they're real cult games now, but they really weren't very good when you actually broke them apart and analyzed them. Great ideas, wonderful ideas, players loved them. You couldn't get away with it now. So trying to recreate that magic in a different environment felt wrongheaded. No one would be happy. You wouldn't make people who love Bloodlines 1 happy and you wouldn't make people who didn't know about Bloodlines 1 happy because they'd never get Bloodlines 2 and they'd always get a flawed game that was built too fast and with not enough money.>So we kind of approached it from that point of view really of going well what can we do with the time and the money that's available and at that point what actually pitched weirdly was kind of which you'll probably make I mean the psychic scream of Bloodlines 1 players from across the net but I came in and went "We can't make Bloodlines 2, we can't make Skyrim, but we can make Dishonored." And if we kinda look at something which is NOT an RPG and is NOT fully open world, but is really tightly focused and true to the mythos, and it's a good ride, we get a Bloodlines title out in the world, and then we'd started talking about saying, then what would the next big Bloodlines game look like after that, if that happened?
>>726028342>There's not enough time. There's not enough moneyMaybe don't hire women, trannies and poojeets?The first game wasn't super expensive and was made in like 3 years, much less if you consider the tiny as fuck team also worked on temple of elemental evil at the same time.it's always funny how these absolute retards complain about not having time and then slacking off all day sipping their vegan milkshakes.
>>726027951>>726028213They credit Mitsoda under "Special Thanks" with all the other Hardsuit devs, which was better than nothing, I suppose.
>>726028764Paradox were offering an extremely low budget for Bloodlines 2. It's why Sumo passed. The Chinese Room was massively understaffed even before the multiple waves of layoffs. Pinchbeck said he got burned out working on 4 games at the same time, among other things.
>>726028342Damn nigger use a different image if paradox is gaping you so bad
>>726028764>The first game wasn't super expensive and was made in like 3 years, much less if you consider the tiny as fuck team also worked on temple of elemental evil at the same time.Yea, because it was 2004 and it had potato graphics. Why do you think Gears of War went from costing 12 million to costing 100 million? Why do you think Dishonored went from costing 25 million in the first game to over 100 million for the second game? AAA game development is extremely expensive and time consuming.
>>726028989Why would I use a different image when I have so many awesome images I can use to taunt you?
>>726028890And yet they were given an almost fully finished build with all the assets and animations ready to go and STILL only made a shitty VN without any choices.It's pathetic, they need to be culled from the industry.>>726029051Absolute retard, it was cutting edge back then and the engine was literally not even finished so there was no youtube tutorial on how to do basic shit. The current devs had EVERYTHING handed to them on a silver platter.
>>726029051>more grafix is exponentially more moniesParadox ain't sending it's best niggers, huh?
>>726029212>And yet they were given an almost fully finished build with all the assets and animations ready to goVisual assets, but there were no usable animations. There was no game. Understand that. Why do you think Hardsuit were fired in the first place?>Absolute retard, it was cutting edge back thenGames used to cost a lot less to make. You could make a AAA game with a small team and budget. That has changed.
>more grafix is exponentially more moniesNailed it on the head.
>>726029512>saar we really need to hire 1k jeet prompt engineers to code this one boss AI, saar!No they don't need to be expensive at all.Proof, indie games made by literally 3 people blowing this trash out of the water.
>>726029212Here's your "almost finished" game. Please give me another 25 million dollars. It just needs another 12 months. Honest, it's totally on track. No, you can't play it.
>>726029747>Proof, indie games made by literally 3 people blowing this trash out of the water.Such as?
>>726025202The drop kick keeping your momentum was fun for a couple minutes, but that was clearly a glitch so I can't think of a single thing it did right on purpose. It utterly and spectacularly failed as a sequel to Bloodlines and it would be mediocre and boring at best if they had made it a standalone title
>>726025202Lmao
>>726029936I'd be surprised if it had a 1/5 of the budget of The Outer Worlds 2, so it's a win, I suppose.
>>726029851Monomyth
>>726030016I just skimmed an hour of footage and it's literally low budget Arx Fatalis. It is in no way comparable to Bloodlines 2.
>>726030271> It is in no way comparable to Bloodlines 2.Yeah because it has actual gameplay systems, unlike your shitty VN.
>>726030324If you want actual gameplay systems in your VTM game, you play Swansong.
>>726030373I'd rather play something good instead.An actual RPG.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_t523XO1QoImagine getting fucking SMOKED by a single drunken serb in this basement.
>>726030572Meh, that's just some isometric game. People don't play VTM for that. The core appeal of VTM is story.
>>726030373>gameplay>walk through room and interact with objects>NO NOT IN THAT ORDER, DO IT AGAIN (after a FULL playthrough)>reloading didn't even exist in first full year of releaseTry again, paradox niggerOh wait you can't because the only other """games""" are literal VNs instead of figurative VNs
>>726030572Where's the voice acting? Is there seriously now voice acting in this broke-ass "RPG"?
>>726030667Pedophile over here could be a talmudic wraith of auschwitz with how much he pilpuls>gameplay>NOBODY LIKES GAMEPLAY UHHH
>>726027587In a while, we'll all be able to say:>Don't cry that it happened, smile that it's over.
vampires
Is there a single shred of proof that Hardsuit Labs had delivered an actual game instead of vaporware? People use language like "almost finished". Is there any proof of this? Why has nobody spilled yet?
>>726030750Yeah, nigger? That the best you got?>Theres no nolan north in this game, better never play it, it has no valueSaid no one EVER
>>726030834It's funny how quickly they wanted to burry oWoD despite it being loved by all and even gathering new fans from the game just to follow it up with an utter fucking dud that is a decomposing corpse and refuses to stay underground.
>>726026654I learned about the picrel from the game. Good times.
>>726030929I want to shake the hand of the dev who textured these panties
>>726030956There's no Nolan North in Bloodlines 2 because, blessedly, they didn't hire any Americans. I do find it charming how Ryong's accent keeps slipping because she's a limey trying to sound like a 90s female American power exec.
>>726031020Just have to wait for whatever indian budget was set aside for shills that make and spam threads like these to run out and it will literally never be spoken of again
>>726031140NEVER!
>>726031121If you loved anything, you wouldn't be here violating the 9th commandment and condemning yourself
So Patch 1.05 is coming in a few weeks with FOV and motion blur and stuff, and probably more bug fixes. The we have the Christmas update, then we have the Valentine's Day update. So in amongst those they are going to improve some aspects of this game. We don't know exactly what, but they are working on improving the game and have been doing so since launch. Maybe even before launch. I hope they can reshape it into more of a vampire Dishonored game because that's clearly what they wanted to make.
>>726031531WE don't have anything you peddle, paradox niggerTake your paradox filth back to your paradox realm and dissolve like the paradox spirit you are
>>726031531I'm honestly wondering if you are mentally ill to type this out, or if they really do keep those paychecks rolling.Dishonored is 100000x more of an RPG (even when nobody even consider it one) than this turd will ever be. Yeah that FOV slider was really what was missing guise, game is fixed now!
>>726031531jesus christ, dude, shut the fuck up already
>>726031854The FOV and motion blur stuff was low priority because it primarily affects PC users. They're looking at more low level design changes like reworking the stealth and combat so that you can complete most of the game without fighting. That's something a minority of players want, but it has its appeal.
>>726032043Cry more, fag. Updates are coming every two weeks or so so the soonest this ends is Q3 2026, and even then, that's probably when we release the modding toolkit.
>>726032096
>>726031109>"Activision pulled funding, focus ONLY on what's important!"some call him a hero, but he was just doing his job
>>726032096They're very goddamn vague about what they're doing to the save system. All we want is the ability to just save and load into a menu of saves like a normal fucking person. Is that too much to ask?
>>726032157Nobody is ever going to mod swansong, this misnomer game, or any other paradox shit because it's all worthless trashIn what fucking world does canon bloodlines have less than a dozen mods but you think your dogshit filth will be modded by anyone?You can't even populate a thread about the game and you think anyone wants to fag around with scripting or coding?
What are some other WoD games that aren't fucking VNs?
>>726032350>They're very goddamn vagueThey aren't, they literally said it's a save on exit. They're making it MORE restrictive, not less.
>>726029986The Budget for Bloodlines 2 was probably higher. It was for a very long time in development.
>>726032503Actually, there's already a bunch of VTMB2 mods, even without official tools.https://www.nexusmods.com/games/vtmbloodlines2/modsCostume mods are already in the works in various capacities.
>>726025202Another thread?
>>726032781No, you misunderstand. They added an auto-save when you exit the game to the most recent patch. There is ANOTHER patch coming in about 2 weeks that has as yet undisclosed changes to how saves work. Adding an auto-save on exit was just a stop-gap measure to fix the issue of the game not saving people's progress doing chores in the hub.
>>726033232Uploading your scrapped "costume dlcs" isn't a fucking mod, paradox nigger>>726033287Big fan
>>726026970>For example, remember how Willem talks about how he had to create chaos in the court by disappearing, so "he could strike". But The Gardener doesn't strike anyoneWell he would have done, wouldn't he, if the plan for Phyre had panned out? Nothing about it screams rewrite to me.
>>726032906The total budget, yes. But TCR's Bloodlines 2 had a severely restricted budget. That's why the director told Paradox flat-out that they couldn't call the game Bloodlines 2 because the game they could deliver with the money Paradox were offering would not live up to fan expectations.
>>726033232that's a man
>>726033392What scrapped costume DLCs? I think they just mixed and matches parts of one of the other costumes. In terms of actual costume DLC, I think they're going to add a Benny and Ysabella costume when those story DLCs drop. I wish they didn't have the cosutmes set up the way they do. It's very shitty that there are only unisex outfits.
>726033406>Well he would have done, wouldn't heParadox nigger is just giving up
>>726032702Swansong is the dark souls of quest\adventure games, I love it. But it may frustrate with FOMO if you have OCD and want to collect\do everything in one playthrough
I honestly find it pretty incredible that the shill is still going, literally doing this for free even when all the normalfags went "nah, this is pretty shit", did a 360 and walked awayNow that is some dedication
>>726032350Someone still playing that dogshit?
>>726033580Swansong is the be a black nigger and then be age regress gook 90% of runtime game that fucks your face with wasted time game ackchually
>>726032157how much are they paying you?
paradox doesn't even care about this, they rather focus on EUV and the fantasy game they are developing
>>726033406The Gardener isn't really the one behind the plan. That's Safia cooking that bullshit up. Except originally, she was a slightly different character called Cemile who had a different motivation. This is the problem. All the stuff with Gideon is a rewrite. Originally Fabien was a thinblood character with no connection to any of the major players. The whole Gideon and Safia and Lou thing is a rewrite. Of course some aspect of it was probably still true because the marks were still on your body. Fabien was trapped inside you and the idea was probably that the marks were designed to trap someone's soul. So that part still makes sense.But the problem is that "The Gardener" comes out of fucking nowhere story-wise. His name appears for the first time in Willem's quest, and then suddenly he's the center of the story. Remember all Gideon scenes are flashbacks created when Fabien was turned into a Malk. Those scenes didn't exist originally. The scene where you confront Willem and the scene where you confront Ysabella originally happened on the same night. They changed the dialogue to remove "earlier tonight a kindred named Ysabella used this mark to..." I think that the game really asspulls the explanation of why Ysabella can use your mark. I feel like it had to be something else originally.Also, remember, all the dream sequences in the garden as Fabien? Those were added later because, critically, Fabien was not playable originally.
>>726033685Zero chance this is for freeGuy is getting some cash for total post count and/or (you)s
>>726031531Will the patch remake the game from scratch because thats the only way to save this piece of shit?
>>726033991Yes. Now buy it please
>>726033841>Now that is some dedicationParadox do care to a certain degree because VTMB2 is the flagship of the WoD brand. They're trying to project confidence.>The teams over at TCR and Paradox have been hard at work ironing out bugs and creating more content, and while we continue to work on that, we’re happy to share today’s patch that fixes the “Save on Exit to Main Menu or Quit Game” issue! >We’re also thrilled to announce the upcoming Roadmap of what we’ve got planned for the game. As you can see, there’s no slowing us down; we have listened to the feedback you’ve been kind enough to share with us and are building many of those improvements into the following patch updates.>Soon we’ll update the game with Patch 1.0.5, which will include the requested FOV slider and Motion Blur Toggle, as well as Improved Progress Saving. >Then, around the holiday, we’ll give you another Update, this one Christmas-themed! Make Phyre your own little Santa’s helper, or perhaps not so helpful helper. This update will also include the “Custom Difficulty” mode, which will consist of settings like “Starting Health,” “Masquerade Sensitivity,” “Enemy Awareness,” and an option to choose between playing only the Phyre quests or only the Fabien quests. The “Custom Difficulty” mode will be unlocked when you have completed the game, so think of it as our version of New Game+. >We’ll share more details and specifics about these features as we approach their release.https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/news/bloodlines-2-hotfix-1-0-4
>>726033851>Fabien was not playable originallyHe still isn't, since his sections do not qualify as gameplay
>>726034047>>The teams over at TCR and Paradox have been hard at work ironing out bugs and creating more content,This is probably referring to the Benny DLC, but it's written in a way that could imply they have new story content they're hastily developing to jam into the game by Christmas.
>>726031531>>726032157Updates are not going to turn a shit game into something that isn't shit. No Man's Sky is still just a shallow meme sandbox but bloated with random crap, and Cyberspunk is still the same shitty buggy open world looter shooter despite all the faggots insisting it got "fixed."
>>726034137Jam a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger, nigger
>>726034142Fucking based. I still can't believe public opinion changed that hard on a game that at its core is a shitty crafting game with procedurally generated slop, and a game that at its core is a shitty GTA clone with none of the promised RPG features
>>726033851I don't know anything about the game's development history so I'm only speaking as someone who has experienced the final version of the story. >But the problem is that "The Gardener" comes out of fucking nowhere story-wise. His name appears for the first time in Willem's quest, and then suddenly he's the center of the storyEh, I didn't have any problem with it when I was playing through the game. Isn't the Willem section relatively early on, anyway? > I think that the game really asspulls the explanation of why Ysabella can use your markI don't remember the game ever giving any explanation for how anyone could "use" your mark at will to weaken you, block your powers, etc.
>>726034346I can't. I can only hold guns telekinetically and mag dump them.
>>726034445The closest hint is that somehow because they're all sabbat goons that Safia told them how to manipulate the mark. Maybe the DLC will shed more light on it.
>>726025202>https://files.catbox.moe/cmwvmg.mp4
>>726025202>~12 hour game>~6 hours as Phyre>~6 hours as Fabien>DLC with ~3 hours as Benny>DLC with ~3 hours as Ysabella>Playing as your protagonist unironically has less content than playing as other charactersWhat did they mean by this?
Buy an ad retard faggot
>>726025202good game shouldnt have been called bloodlines
>>726034047>and an option to choose between playing only the Phyre quests or only the Fabien quests.Two fucking years. They spent TWO FUCKING YEARS on nothing but adding that Fabien shit, now they're making a patch to skip all of it! Think of all the wasted time and money on this fucking garbage! LOL!>>726034137>This is probably referring to the Benny DLC, but it's written in a way that could imply they have new story content they're hastily developing to jam into the game by Christmas.They're fucking retarded for making MORE content that doesn't even include Phyre. Unbelievably fucking stupid DLC ideas. Dumb fucks!
>>726035527Buy the game, faggot.
>>726035638They're letting you skip alll the Phyre sections if you just want to play as Fabien.
>>726033425>That's why the director told Paradox flat-out that they couldn't call the game Bloodlines 2 because the game they could deliver with the money Paradox were offering would not live up to fan expectations.It's not about budget, it's about all their ideas being fucking stupid as hell!
>>726035638Fabien's sections were recycled Malk story DLC stuff. The bigger issue was rewriting the entire plot around Fabien so that every single plot point and character involves him in some way. That was more intensive.
>>726035764What ideas?
>>726028890>Paradox were offering an extremely low budget for Bloodlines 2. It's why Sumo passed. The Chinese Room was massively understaffed even before the multiple waves of layoffs. Pinchbeck said he got burned out working on 4 games at the same time, among other things.Okay, and what does that have to do with all their other gay faggot decisions, huh? Like maliciously keeping the player from fucking Lou, the poster girl of the game. Or Safia always fucking dying so you can't get with her either. Or any fucking attractive woman. What are your choices? An old ugly wrinkled granny, a black girlboss that explicitly stated to dominate YOU like a little bitch, and a titless theythem nonbinary freak. Fuck you!
>>726035858>Clowning on straight men with this garbage >>726035986>The retarde fucking Fabien shit they spent all their "limited" time and budget on only to MAKE SKIPPABLE IN A PATCH SINCE NOBODY FUCKING WANTS IT IMAGINE THAT WHO COULDA THUNK IT>Tolly
>>726035986The sex scenes we do have were clearly added suuuuper late in development, and only involve clan contacts. They just didn't have the budget for the kind of romance system they wanted to have. It's possible they'll patch something more extensive into the game for Valentine's Day. So many things in the game are just compromises because no money.
>>726036080Fabien is the most beloved character in the game, and the new poster child for Malks, so I think that aspect of the game worked very well. The original Fabien tested badly. Fabien and Phyre are going to be skippable. They're fully aware that they made two completely different games and glued them together. That Fabien fans hate playing as Phyre, and Phyre fans hate playing as Fabien.Also, Tolly is based.
>>726036118>garbage roster>it's because they didn't have moneyWhy are you constantly dancing around the point? I fucking bet you behind the scenes it's another case of "male gaze is icky so take that!" Stop being disingenuous, man. For fuck's sake.
>>726036236Gaybian is shit and you’re going to be laid off in a few weeks.
>>726036118>sex scenesThere are noneFade to black is not a sex scene
>>726036871They had to censor the fades to black to pass ratings boards globally. Some of the sex noises were too explicit.
>>726036236The game fucking sucks. Stop posting. Tolly stinks. He doesn't even sound like a nossie, his VA is just a fag talking in his normal voice. Fabien is fucking boring, his story goes nowhere.
>>726036253The game didn't have sex originally. It was added late in dev. Choices ofmsex partners were lockee into the list of clan contacts.
>>726037040Nosferatu don't sound like anything. This isn't VTMB1. There is no raspy gravel Nossie voice. Fabien's story is everything.
>>726037003Yet somehow they had to let you know that the black kween doms you, huh?
>>726037089Clan contacts are literally the only NPCs you can interact with at-will. Everyone else disappears after their designated shitty story cutscene or is locked behind a door.
Anyone remember what that pilpul technique is called where you answer a direct question with facts that don't really address it at all?e.g. answering "why didn't they add sex scenes for the only hot woman?" with "sex scenes were added for the clan contacts"
>>726037238I don't but I'll just go ahead and call it gay, because it's gay and lame.
>>726037003You have to be baiting. Cyberpunk and VTM:B 2 have the same ESRB rating and Cyberpunk actually has explicit sex scenes with customizable cock and pussy.
>>726037185>gaybiens story is everything This tells me this is some degraded retard from the chinkroom since that faggot is their poochie.
>>726038051I keep telling you, man. He's either an employee or completely brainwashed by that companyhttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/pinchbeck/
>>726037238A red herring?
>>726038119This shit is too lame to have a dedicated autist it has to be some fag at the company.
>>726037540>>726037003This level of autism to where you will just make up lies to keep up this image of "wasted potential" on this game is sad to watch. KOTOR 2 might be more your speed, at least that game was actually good despite it's clearly unfinished state.
>>726026607>there's not enough time or moneywasn't the game stuck in development for 5+ years and underwent multiple complete rewrites and had the gameplay itself overhauled at one point? a dev crying about time and/or money isn't truly passionate about the project and is just passionate about it paying as much as possible while taking the maximum amount of time. I'm glad people like this are being driven from the industry.
>>726038284They literally delayed the game just to write more dialogue for their discount Johnny Silverhand.
>>726038284Other than art, the two versions of the game have nothing in common so nothing else was gained from all that work. TCR's payments were lower than Hardsuit's and Paradox said as much in one of their financial statements from years back.
>>726038563>Other than art, the two versions of the game have nothing in common so nothing else was gained from all that work.And whose fucking fault is that?>We have no time and no money. Instead of building on the work we inherited, let's start over!DURRRRRR HURRRRR MAGURRRR
>>726037185>This isn't VTMB1Don't worry, you didn't have to clarify that for anyone. And there is precedence in VtM lore for Nosferatu having twisted voices because, you know, it deforms their entire body, not just outwardly. Deformities make people IRL talk weird too.
>>726038698Hardsuit's, for being unable to produce a shippable game after five years and Paradox for being hands-off for years and letting that happen instead of paying attention to their inability to meet the agreed-upon milestones.>We have no time and no money. Instead of building on the work we inherited, let's start over!Not possible. Back in 2021 there was a game dev who explained exactly how this would turn out. https://www.tumblr.com/askagamedev/644203572507082752/a-bunch-of-you-have-questions-about-project>Let me be clear here - (this iteration of) VampTheMBlood2 has been cancelled. The current completed work on the project is effectively abandoned; there is very little chance that another studio will be brought in to pick up where Hardsuit Labs left off. Projects of this scope are enormous endeavors with a huge amount of institutional knowledge. Only the current team of developers know how the things they built work. Any new developer who obtains the old project assets and code would have to spend months, possibly years, trying to piece things together - much like archaeologists try to figure out how ancient civilizations did things.>By removing Hardsuit Labs from the project, Paradox is removing all people who know anything about how the project works. If the current project were salvageable, it would (in a worst case scenario) be something similar to what happened with the Kerbal Space Program 2, where the publisher cancelled the contract with the developer studio and hired many individual dev team members from the former studio to continue work on the project. That institutional knowledge of how things work is invaluable if the same project code and assets are to be used. This is clearly not the case with VampTheMBlood2. Paradox is ok with dumping the work done and starting over.
What I find most interesting about the story in Vampire: the Masquerade - Bloodlines 2, is the complexity of things that are being shoved up the character's asses. Snowballs (the winter theme ties heavily into this), soda bottles, eggs, cocks (both fake and real), it's just deep intricate layers and I never know what the next thing is that will be going up someone's ass.
>>726032702>released before W5It's an absolutely forgettable game that barely uses the Werewolf license.
>>726033580problem with swansong is it came so close to being great. I can tolerate pretty high level of jank, but some idiotic design decisions are inexcusable.
>>726032702>What are some other WoD games that aren't fucking VNs?lack of interest. I doubt paradox is too restrictive with the license considering what's out there.
>>726039650>Any new developer who obtains the old project assets and code would have to spend months, possibly years, trying to piece things togetherSo instead they spent YEARS on nothing but adding the Fabien shit... which they're now making skippable in a patch! LOL!
>>726040013They made the entire game as it is, and you'll only be able to skip Fabien after you complete it once. His parts are necessary to complete to understand the story, but since there's no variation, it's no problem to just skip it on a replay when you just want to try out a different build, you already know the story.
>>726039894>mfw fucking swansong is more of an rpg than bloodlines 2 albeit to its detriment in this case
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>>726026484thats the scene that made me uninstall my pirated copy, nice one paradox.
>>726039894Nah. Problem with Swansong is not only did devs not learn from The Council, a solid game in its own right, but they took steps back in almost every way.
>>726031101Same. There are a bunch of other posters for various bands in different places too but that one caught my attention the most and I ended up loving their music.
>>726031101>>726040998VTMB helped me realize that I unironically love goth music. Meanwhile my faggot "friends" were listening to, shit, I dunno, The Cure, fuckin', Yellowcard, damn.
>>726041309and Nickleback
>>726041309and blue october
>>726041309VtMB helped me realize that I like prowling the streets at night stalking people and going “ohhhh myaaaaan”
>>726042030tjanice night out, huh?
>>726039650>Only the current team of developers know how the things they built work. Any new developer who obtains the old project assets and code would have to spend months, possibly years, trying to piece things togetherall that statement does is confirm hardsuit outsourced the majority of their work so they weren't able to hand it off to a new team because they themselves didn't know how it all worked together.
>>726042030>>726042168you fuckers are going to get killed
>>726042168Kind of musty
>>726035281> When you steal "speak with dead" skill from DnD/Planescape, but you're a deranged cat lady
>>726043227>t. latest victimYou can’t hide from me, boss.
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>>726027951mitsoda was always a shit writer
>>726035986The nonbinary twink is cute though.
>>726042658At the time there were reports of weekly turnover.
>>726043542Mitsoda is a decent writer, but the problem is that's ALL he is. You could tell that from his pretty bad zombie game. Also, he was just a part of Bloodlines' writing team.
>>726045002>dude champions for BL2 to get made>Paradox actually likes what they hear and approve the project>put Mitsoda in charge of PR, something he was very uncomfortable with>eventually gets pushed out from his own project and it sinks
>>726045002>implying anyone played this and can say anything about the writing
>>726046436Yeah it wasn't just the game that was terrible, the writing was too.
>>726048473Sounds kino, might have to try this game
